I think it’s somewhat of a strange cartridge. I don’t think it will fit a 300 gr SMK (could be wrong), or really any other standard heavy 338 cal bullet, so you’re basically forced to use their new bullet offerings.
@bananaballistics the 338 spectre uses a 300gr smk for subs. I've been loading maker 300gr Rex bullets with some luck on paper. I haven't taken any game with it yet. Fingers crossed for this season. The 338 spectre was released around the same time as the black out from Southern Balistic Research. I'm very sure the 338 black out and the spectre will be very close in performance. I'm glad hornady is making a lead core subsonic expanding bullet. I can't wait for it to hit the market.
Just got my banshee 8.6 blk, my porq chop is waiting for me to pick up as I type this. There are zero videos out this with the setup I have so I am going to make one.
Built a .45 PCC using CMMG receivers, bolt, and barrel. Shoots pretty nicely. A little more "slop" in the fit of the upper and lower receivers, but solved with an accuwedge, lol. Would have been cool as a "matched" set though...
Bah, you'll come into some money someday, and you've got to be educated on what to buy with all that dough. You WILL own those guns one day...yes you will!
I made two 300 BO AR pistols….on for my truck and other for my wife inside our home for defensive purposes. Both run subsonics and are suppressed. Not looking for 100+ yard accuracy. Mostly want close up kill and penetration power with low recoil. For me they work for the jobs I assigned them.
Supers are the best for .300 Blk for self defense. You can still use a suppressor with them, just won't be super sneaky, but in self defense a 110gr super .300 Blk is an amazing round out of a short barrel with maximum velocity and energy dump in to a target.
The warrior poet guy uses non-suppressed guns because he wants those near him(neighbors) to be alerted ... I don't have one but I like the idea of suppression on home defense guns...
@@gregoryhoughtaling9879 For me and my personal risk factors I would rather have a suppressed subsonic rifle for inside my cinder block wall home.....I couldn't imagine touching off an unsuppressed supersonic anything in the narrow hallway of my master bedroom.
@@michaeldowling4160 338 spectre parent case is 10mm magnum, 338 arc is an extension of the arc series, using 220 russian parent case. 338 spectre is .424 case head, arc is .441 case head. While the result is similar, they are both very different in the technical details. Lastly, 338 spectre is not a saami recognized standard cartridge, hornady paid for this and created a standardized cartridge.
I hear nothing but reliability issues with ARC. Kevin with Q did a video. Even though I think he is an arrogant ass sometimes, as the developer of 300BLK and 8.6 BLK, I straight up respect his perspective and testing. My 8" 8.6 BLK AR10 isn't too large or heavy to warrant a need for an AR15 .338 type firearm.
That's where the 8.6 is truly impressive in comparison... Especially subs and short barrels. Depending on load, 8.6 is still 900ftlbs at 300yds with subs. That kills basically all other subs.
Garand thumb tested the 8.6 on gel. Most impressive round I have ever seen. The 1n3 works. Absolute devastation, especially considering it was subsonic.
@@kingkezz9188 Even the heaviest 338 bullets are only holding around 8 ftlbs of rotational energy, it's not much of a factor despite the marketing. It does help copper solids open up, but it also forces you to use copper solids.
@@PineyJusticeyou are correct - the rotation doesn’t add much energy. It does make the right bullets expand insanely though and creates a huge wound cavity.
@@chipsterb4946 Correct, but the thing is, with a properly designed bullet it will expand without the crazy rotational speed. The rotation speed severely limits ammo choices, a normal bullet like a SMK could come apart and destroy a suppressor, particularly supersonic loads are right on the ragged edge of bullets coming apart. Supersonic loadings are the one advantage that 8.6 blk has over 338 arc. Giving up being able to use regular bullets supersonic in favor of using regular bullets subsonic is kinda silly, especially considering the 338 arc can shoot regular 175s at 2100 fps and 300 grain subsonics designed to open subsonic.
you'll be better off with the 338 ARC if using for a Subsonic. doesn't suffer from excess case volume as does the 8.6 and uses a more common AR15 platform. what many are not mentioning is that super sonic 8.6 has terrible accuracy over the 100 yard mark due to over stabilization... the bullet angle does not follow the ballistic curve and instead tends to stay at the same angle it left the barrel. the high twist rate also requires you use bonded bullets or solids.
First time viewer. In the first 5 seconds I said to myself this guy sounds like he should be on tv. Very distinctive comedy tv voice and I mean that in a good way. Shades of Brad Garrett. Then I watched the video and the comedic relief didn’t disappoint.
Thanks for the heads up on the Ultradyne chassis, at the price they're definitely worth a try. And they have a Ruger American option coming out. WooHoooo!
I jumped on the 300blk bandwagon about 10 years ago. For weight, versatility I think it still has most of the others beat. The fort scott solid copper, and horny 110grain vmax are the supersonic loads I run. I use 125 grain fmj for plinking
@jeremywatson9129 10.5 if you're going 14.5, or 16inch you might as well just run some 77grain 5.56 unless you want something stealthy. You're only getting 150fps going from a 10.5 to 16 inch 300blk. It was really optimized for shorter barrels, and suppressors with the minimal necking on the case, and fast burn rate powders.
Any solid copper hpbt will guarantee downright silly results the expansion is like nothing I've seen before even supressed out of my 10.5" carbine. The water expansion tests I've done warrant descriptors like psychotic ludacris gruesome and unhinged amongst others I can only imagine what they do to flesh.
@@worldcure7883 oh yeah just imagine what they would do to tyrant groins. The 110grain vmax is lead core, and the expansion is still absolutely brutal albiet more fragmentation. I recently bought some sig elite 120grain solid copper.
300 BLK is interesting because it's really just an alternate load for a 223 Same firearm. Different barrel (and maybe a few minor mechanism), If it's an AR you just reuse magazine. And if you're persistent you just neck up spent 223 to reload. In contrast people keep chasing more and more esoteric rounds for incremental performance gain. Don't like them.
I remember back in the 80s when 55gr soft points would just self-destruct when they left the barrel on a 1-7 twist Colt Sporter II. Little puffs of black smoke about 2 feet from the muzzle. Over 200,000 RPM. They make .223 soft points much sturdier now days.
Finally got my first pair of cans this year so I built a 9” 1:7 .300BO and it’s an absolute hoot to shoot. It’s my home defense option so it mainly just fills that role in which it does very well. I am pretty wild for this 8.6 but the reality is it’s just niche range toy if you don’t have a specific use for it. If I built another .300BO it would be a 6” 1:5
Many people don't really get what 300 Blk is designed for. For that, you need to look up the 300 Whisper. Designed as a quiet two-legged predator round.
Wedges for your wood block placed in the back my friend, will keep that block from jumping around. Love your videos, never stop. And if you ever need a place for unwanted guns, I'm ur man.
Yes, the performance of the Barnes 110gr TAC-TX bullets is pretty impressive. Even with the 300's moderate velocity, those things penetrate and expand very well. That bullets popularity is for good reason. Not to take anything away from the 8.6, they are just in different classes.
1:3 rotation makes the 8.6 a very effective round in soft targets. Subsonic suppressed is a dream!😌 I love the maker rounds, I have them for both of my blackouts. I wish I had a 1:3 barrel for my 300 blackout. Love it!
@@garybraddock9890 i load them supersonic at 185g and sub at 280-240. I think it's becuase the parent cartridge is less common. 10mm mag pistol. Though, i see some say it can be done with a 6.8SPC. Also, not super common...
@@garybraddock9890 I wen't for a set of reamers, die reamers, CH4 dies, and 2 AR barrels and one Rem700 blank for a short, scout rifle pattern in 338 Specre. I never got around to getting a can for it, so it's still parts waiting to be chambered. It's sitting under the 510 Whisper kit of all the same parts. (im a horrible procrastinator). I can't seem to find time to even reload these days, now that I'm retired.
Hey Mr. Ballistics, I have an idea for your splash tests. I'd put a dish (maybe a cheap casserole pan for example) under the jug. It may be a good idea to suspend the jug above the dish by the handle too, so the hydrostatic shock doesn't disturb the dish too much. Then, when ya shoot the jug, most of the water is splattered around, but some falls into the catch dish. You can then measure the amount of water in the dish to get a general idea of how powerful the bullet was. My theory is the more powerful bullets will leave less water in the dish after the shot. Not a completely scientific test, but at least it's quantifiable.
8.6 is pretty extreme, especially in how niche it is. if somebody wants it, cool but it doesn't really serve much more of a purpose than 300 except in very specific situations, and you are going to pay for that difference with every shot you take.
Says the poors that don't own an 8.6 In subs and short barrels, 2x the energy at the muzzle and 90% of that energy out at 300yds with 8.6 vs 300BLK The only real reason 8.6 is expensive to shoot is the ammo price. As more guns are developed and more ammo manufacturing happens, which it will because of the benefits, the price comes down. Sure, 9mm, 5.56 and .308 are cheap, but each of those have disadvantages too. Energy at range with 9mm Low overall energy/barrel length loss with 5.56 Recoil/capacity/weight/ barrel length with .308
@davidabest7195 Why do you say it's stupid? Not looking to argue...I wanna hear why. I know the ammo is expensive and limited. I also know it's a tad overkill when compared to 300BLK.
@@dastarddizaster weird flex lol imagine calling people poor for not wanting to get invested in a niche cartidge when there is dozens of other options. Doooooosh
The concept of subsonic rifle rounds is pretty cool. Anything past 50 yards and whoever you’re shooting at will have no idea where the bullets are coming from. But if you’re looking for superior stopping power, a subsonic bullet just won’t do it. Unless it’s something like a 12 gauge slug or a 45 ACP or something of that nature. I have yet to find a 300 blackout round subsonic that will actually expand like it says on the box. I’ve been shooting 220 grain hollow points and although they are stupid, quiet and very fun I am very disappointed in the wound channels they produce. They actually do less damage than Any 9 mm cartridge. I have tested including FM J. They are just great whole punchers. In my opinion, something like that is good if you plan on taking a more accurate shot at range. Although you would have to hold over a good bit more it tends to be more accurate when you get into those heavy loads. I think that’s where the 8.6 blackout would out perform the 300 blackout. Of course, a slightly longer bullet with more mass is going to be more accurate at range, but in my opinion three or 400 yards is your absolute max even with that cartridge. Now I know everyone has seen a video of people shooting 300 blackout subsonic out at 500 yards. I personally seen it myself and I know it’s capable even if you hold over 700 feet.😂 but with that being said, do you really wanna have to depend on a whole puncher at that distance? I honestly don’t think it would have enough ass to penetrate more than a half an inch or so. I get it. We are pretty fragile as humans, but I would not trust the bullet at that range at such a low velocity. if you were trying to be covert and not give anybody a tip you were there and I guess it makes sense but the 8.6 blackout is just a niche round. Coming from someone who wanted one desperately and tried it out and I was really hoping it would be better but it’s just a slightly better 300 blackout. For all that I would say use a real heavy 4570 with a good suppressor.
Hey banana on your tilting table forget those flimsy little end pieces you got going on and use a car scissor jack right in the middle. Then you can use the drill to move it up and down easily and it’ll support as much weight as you put on it. for the table top if you can find a flat piece of AR 15 steel and mount it on there any bullets that angle down will just get angled back up. I really enjoy your channel by the way. Thank you.
Nice video but it's a lot like comparing a 12-gauge shotgun to a 20 gauge. Really no comparison. But it is nice to see the difference in the two none the less. Fun video to watch.
It was NOT "concrete", but "cinderblock", which typically has about 1/3 the strength of concrete as "cinder", or "Fly ash" is a lot weaker than the stone aggregate used in concrete.
.338 spectre is the better cartridge (.338 arc of they offer more loads ) . 180 grn accubond tipped @1950fps ,200 grn accubond or jsp @1760fps ,225grn jsp@ 1680 fps , 250 grn @ 1450 fps OR subsonic loads , and 300 grn subsonic loads. In an ar-15 with 16" barrel . The spectre uses 6.8 spc magazines and bolt face . The extractor is slightly different . SBR ammunition has everything to get a person started with .338 S , including reloading supplies and their uppers and rifles have a 1 moa guarantee with sbr factory ammo. Other places offer spectre specific 300+ grain bullets for reloading and at least one other place has loaded ammo. Plus it uses standard 9mm pistol cans for suppressing it . This is one of the best intermediate eastern woods hunting rounds made . It was designed by the same guy who designed the .458 socom ,another outstanding cartridge and is also @ SBR . .458 S is basically a micro .45/70 for modern rifles. 300 grains @ between 1800-2000fps (load depending) from 16" barrels . 405s @ 1600-1800, 500 @1400ish or 1050 =subsonic , 550 and 600 grainers @ 1050 . IMHO 6.8 spc II , .338 Spectre and .458 socom are the best alternate AR-15 Cartidges. 6.5 Grendel , .350 Legend and .50 beowulf are the next best. (.400 L has potential ) 6mm arc,6mm spectre and 6mm ppc are all the best target shooting and long range varmint choices IMHO . .22 arc and .224 valk. And .25 sharps bros are also very good choices but need help. The .25 sharps has serious potential but is not well known . It replicates the old .250-3000 savage and early .257 Roberts with 87 grain bullets @ 3000 fps and 100 grainers just north of 2700. .300 blk and .450Bm are very good, but not the best of choices except for being commercially popular and available in more places due to that. 8.6 blk is for a larger gun,and is vastly more expensive than .338 Spectre for guns and ammo. .338 S is about 600 for the upper and 25-50 for factory ammo . If it became successful that would all go down .
Call me weird, but I loved the sand test. If you are trying to gauge how much penetrative power a round has, why would you think the sand test is boring if that is the whole point of the video?
Ive heard that .300BLK has zero upsides to 5.56 NATO *other than* being reliable in subsonic. The 8.6 however, looks really interesting. Apparently 8.6 needs like 1:3 rifling (but can handle 1:1?), so quite a bit of rotational energy to dump on target.
an AR15 with an internal buffer system and long stroke piston? you mean an AR18? I love those. is a 30 cal rifle is an AR10 and a 22 cal is an AR15, and the internal buffer and long stroke gas piston adds another 3 ARs, is a .308 AR with internal buffer and long gas stroke piston, an AR13?
@BananaBallistics I think 8.6 & 300BO are anti climatic. However I am very interested in seeing Hornady's newer .338Arc versus the 8.6 and which ends up being the better of the two. However to be transparent, I leaning more towards the 338Arc, considering it can be used with an AR platform.
I like Your brass catcher. I’ve used several but the scope mounts keep changing, taking away my bullet catchers real estate. Mind letting Us know the Rand You use? Or is it of Your own design? Thanks for the sub tests!
Wow, over 220,000 rpm that sounds crazy. Do you know how fast old basic 180gr 30-06 round would spin out of a 18/20 inch Barrel I'm not sure about the twist rate. I have old Remington 700 and curious. Thank for the great video. Cheers 🍻
You should do a collab. Get everyone together.. High-Speed Kentucky Backyard Banana.. Test a rifle. Explode a rifle. Rebuild a rifle. Test a bunch of ammo in a rebuilt rifle and hope it doesn't explode.... I'd watch it
I do love your videos and all the comparisons, but it would also be nice if you included the cost per round of each type, because that would definitely be a big factor for someone who wanted to shoot very many of any of these.
BB, I know you edit your videos with quick cuts in mind - but when you do chrono work or other maths, is there any possibility you can leave the averages, energy and other such add-on text added during post production for even half a second longer? It's really hard to pause the first time through a lot of videos so I can read the information. And I do enjoy nerding over numbers 😁
8.6 blk is doing what it was designed to do, which is not shoot through metal. 0-400 yards, no recoil, quiet for hunting, in conjunction with NVGs. The fact it will go through wood and would still hit the target fatally is promising.
Try bi-metal jacketed bullets. It's the kind that a magnet sticks to the whole jacket equally. In 556 m855, just the tip will stick and near the base won't have any stick. I have a 556 in 1 in 7 twist and I fear the auto fragmentation in mid air. Never happened with the bi metal jacket rounds.
I've had 300BLK and the only benefit I've experienced is for pistols or SBR's compared to .223/5.56 9mm AR pistols get better performance when considering energies and price, IMHO. I do have an 8" 8.6 Blackout pistol and consider it leapyears better than 300BLK in sub and super in a pistol AR. Marginally better than .308, and less beneficial than 6.5 in rifles.
I am not surprised because the round is fundamentally silly. Supersonic, like .338 Federal, it would have definitely found a niche use, but 220 gr .300 BLK ALREADY has issues with reliably expanding. By adding more mass that has to be expanded with the same low velocity, you have a recipe for failure.
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Hey BB - What’s your initial thoughts on the 338 arc?
I think it’s somewhat of a strange cartridge. I don’t think it will fit a 300 gr SMK (could be wrong), or really any other standard heavy 338 cal bullet, so you’re basically forced to use their new bullet offerings.
@@bananaballisticsI agree, even some of the heavier bullets in .300 blackout are pushing the limits.
@@bananaballisticsstill over 300 grain offerings but we’ll see
I was just thinking the same thing!
@bananaballistics the 338 spectre uses a 300gr smk for subs. I've been loading maker 300gr Rex bullets with some luck on paper. I haven't taken any game with it yet. Fingers crossed for this season.
The 338 spectre was released around the same time as the black out from Southern Balistic Research. I'm very sure the 338 black out and the spectre will be very close in performance. I'm glad hornady is making a lead core subsonic expanding bullet. I can't wait for it to hit the market.
I'm a precision machinist for CMMG. I love seeing the guns I help make on the channels I love to watch. Keep up the good content Lord Potassium.
Fine work sir. You must be cool
Just got my banshee 8.6 blk, my porq chop is waiting for me to pick up as I type this. There are zero videos out this with the setup I have so I am going to make one.
Built a .45 PCC using CMMG receivers, bolt, and barrel. Shoots pretty nicely. A little more "slop" in the fit of the upper and lower receivers, but solved with an accuwedge, lol. Would have been cool as a "matched" set though...
Calibers I'll never need, firearms I'll never own, yet I watch.
My excuse is "learning something new"
Bah, you'll come into some money someday, and you've got to be educated on what to buy with all that dough. You WILL own those guns one day...yes you will!
You need, you need, didn't worry I'll tell your wife
Personally like supersonic 300 blk
Because it is hard to not look at train wrecks
Hold on let me turn the bass down 1st...
The neighbors hate it when I go bananas
Boomer Ballistic Battle: 30-30 vs 45-70 vs 30-06
Can't go wrong with the classics tho
50-70. My uncle found a case of trapdoor Springfield's in the woods by silver City. All chambered in 50-70 govt.(About 45 years ago)
444 marlin instead of 30-06
They are still around for a reason.
30-06 for the win
6:36 😂Thanks for the shout out. Greetings from the Czech Republic.
Thanks for the Shout Out from a Czech Boy here in the US too!
Still to this day I wish CZ would make a shirt with "You Better Czech Yourself" on it
@@GoatSimpulator Love it!!!!
Weekly reminder to loan this gentleman a 220 swift.
I made two 300 BO AR pistols….on for my truck and other for my wife inside our home for defensive purposes. Both run subsonics and are suppressed. Not looking for 100+ yard accuracy. Mostly want close up kill and penetration power with low recoil. For me they work for the jobs I assigned them.
Supers are the best for .300 Blk for self defense. You can still use a suppressor with them, just won't be super sneaky, but in self defense a 110gr super .300 Blk is an amazing round out of a short barrel with maximum velocity and energy dump in to a target.
The warrior poet guy uses non-suppressed guns because he wants those near him(neighbors) to be alerted ... I don't have one but I like the idea of suppression on home defense guns...
@@gregoryhoughtaling9879 For me and my personal risk factors I would rather have a suppressed subsonic rifle for inside my cinder block wall home.....I couldn't imagine touching off an unsuppressed supersonic anything in the narrow hallway of my master bedroom.
Truck guns are stupid.
@@MatterMadeMootoh yeah? Well you are stupid
Oh man i cant wait for the 300 bo or 8.6 vs 338 arc
And the 338 Arc is an AR-15 platform, as well.
@@paraglidingnut26hornady stole the idea from Southern Balistic Research. They had the spectre first. I believe the main difference in the case head.
@@michaeldowling4160 338 spectre parent case is 10mm magnum, 338 arc is an extension of the arc series, using 220 russian parent case. 338 spectre is .424 case head, arc is .441 case head. While the result is similar, they are both very different in the technical details. Lastly, 338 spectre is not a saami recognized standard cartridge, hornady paid for this and created a standardized cartridge.
I hear nothing but reliability issues with ARC.
Kevin with Q did a video.
Even though I think he is an arrogant ass sometimes, as the developer of 300BLK and 8.6 BLK, I straight up respect his perspective and testing.
My 8" 8.6 BLK AR10 isn't too large or heavy to warrant a need for an AR15 .338 type firearm.
The 338 spectre/whisper/etc all died when 300blk could be made with 223 brass and bolt
Really need a gel block test for these two rounds 👍
That's where the 8.6 is truly impressive in comparison...
Especially subs and short barrels.
Depending on load, 8.6 is still 900ftlbs at 300yds with subs.
That kills basically all other subs.
This guy is the kind that we need to convince to use actual barriers in front of gel.
Garand Thumb is your friend then
Garand thumb tested the 8.6 on gel. Most impressive round I have ever seen. The 1n3 works. Absolute devastation, especially considering it was subsonic.
what is it like 500,000 rpm? That rotational energy has to go somewhere. Whats even more impressive is how it doesnt disintegrate mid air.
@@kingkezz9188 Even the heaviest 338 bullets are only holding around 8 ftlbs of rotational energy, it's not much of a factor despite the marketing. It does help copper solids open up, but it also forces you to use copper solids.
@@PineyJusticeyou are correct - the rotation doesn’t add much energy. It does make the right bullets expand insanely though and creates a huge wound cavity.
@@chipsterb4946 Correct, but the thing is, with a properly designed bullet it will expand without the crazy rotational speed. The rotation speed severely limits ammo choices, a normal bullet like a SMK could come apart and destroy a suppressor, particularly supersonic loads are right on the ragged edge of bullets coming apart. Supersonic loadings are the one advantage that 8.6 blk has over 338 arc. Giving up being able to use regular bullets supersonic in favor of using regular bullets subsonic is kinda silly, especially considering the 338 arc can shoot regular 175s at 2100 fps and 300 grain subsonics designed to open subsonic.
you'll be better off with the 338 ARC if using for a Subsonic. doesn't suffer from excess case volume as does the 8.6 and uses a more common AR15 platform. what many are not mentioning is that super sonic 8.6 has terrible accuracy over the 100 yard mark due to over stabilization... the bullet angle does not follow the ballistic curve and instead tends to stay at the same angle it left the barrel. the high twist rate also requires you use bonded bullets or solids.
First time viewer. In the first 5 seconds I said to myself this guy sounds like he should be on tv. Very distinctive comedy tv voice and I mean that in a good way. Shades of Brad Garrett. Then I watched the video and the comedic relief didn’t disappoint.
Ray Ramano ???😭
Thanks for the heads up on the Ultradyne chassis, at the price they're definitely worth a try. And they have a Ruger American option coming out. WooHoooo!
I jumped on the 300blk bandwagon about 10 years ago. For weight, versatility I think it still has most of the others beat. The fort scott solid copper, and horny 110grain vmax are the supersonic loads I run. I use 125 grain fmj for plinking
What barrel length do you have? I'm more interested in the pure supersonic .300 14.5 to 16in barrel.
@jeremywatson9129 10.5 if you're going 14.5, or 16inch you might as well just run some 77grain 5.56 unless you want something stealthy. You're only getting 150fps going from a 10.5 to 16 inch 300blk. It was really optimized for shorter barrels, and suppressors with the minimal necking on the case, and fast burn rate powders.
Any solid copper hpbt will guarantee downright silly results the expansion is like nothing I've seen before even supressed out of my 10.5" carbine.
The water expansion tests I've done warrant descriptors like psychotic ludacris gruesome and unhinged amongst others I can only imagine what they do to flesh.
@@worldcure7883 oh yeah just imagine what they would do to tyrant groins. The 110grain vmax is lead core, and the expansion is still absolutely brutal albiet more fragmentation. I recently bought some sig elite 120grain solid copper.
300 BLK is interesting because it's really just an alternate load for a 223
Same firearm. Different barrel (and maybe a few minor mechanism), If it's an AR you just reuse magazine.
And if you're persistent you just neck up spent 223 to reload.
In contrast people keep chasing more and more esoteric rounds for incremental performance gain. Don't like them.
5:35 "It definitely blew out-er it definitely cracked the back of this thing" hahaha, classic.
Thank you for using the CMMG Dissent MK3 in 8.6 Blackout! There aren't a lot of video showing that platform yet.
I built a 300blk pistol with an 8" barrel on it. I have it suppressed as well. Super fun to shoot.
Suggestion: Take the image of the crow, and print it on to self adhesive shipping labels. Quick replacement for range images.
I remember back in the 80s when 55gr soft points would just self-destruct when they left the barrel on a 1-7 twist Colt Sporter II. Little puffs of black smoke about 2 feet from the muzzle. Over 200,000 RPM.
They make .223 soft points much sturdier now days.
Kool! Thanks for share.
Finally got my first pair of cans this year so I built a 9” 1:7 .300BO and it’s an absolute hoot to shoot.
It’s my home defense option so it mainly just fills that role in which it does very well.
I am pretty wild for this 8.6 but the reality is it’s just niche range toy if you don’t have a specific use for it.
If I built another .300BO it would be a 6” 1:5
Many people don't really get what 300 Blk is designed for. For that, you need to look up the 300 Whisper. Designed as a quiet two-legged predator round.
The commentary from the dude on the crapper gets me every time, hahah
300 blackout was a better option for speical forces then 9mm for suppressed quite shots, 8.6 blackout is a massive sub sonic big game hunting round
Wedges for your wood block placed in the back my friend, will keep that block from jumping around. Love your videos, never stop. And if you ever need a place for unwanted guns, I'm ur man.
Yes, the performance of the Barnes 110gr TAC-TX bullets is pretty impressive. Even with the 300's moderate velocity, those things penetrate and expand very well. That bullets popularity is for good reason.
Not to take anything away from the 8.6, they are just in different classes.
The 342 grain 8.6 is like the guy she tells you not to worry about haha
@@ragnarragnarsson3128
Overweight, slow, and runs out of gas too early?
and 400gr 375 Raptor is the guy she's going to cheat oh him with. Lmao
@@MikeInOregonlol women love a Hog 😂
@@MikeInOregon hahahaha
@@skylersmall6322so freaking true man!
Can I suggest a jockey strap to keep the block in place?
Oh a rubber strap, should allow for some movement.
LAUGHING THE ENTIRE TIME WATCHING A BALLISTICS VIDEO IS AWESOME LOL IDK if i learned anything haha just laughed a lot
Helpful information, always enjoy. Thanks
Fun to watch you, will never own either of these, but entertaining none the less.🇺🇸👍🇺🇸
1:3 rotation makes the 8.6 a very effective round in soft targets. Subsonic suppressed is a dream!😌 I love the maker rounds, I have them for both of my blackouts. I wish I had a 1:3 barrel for my 300 blackout. Love it!
man banana republic doesn't disappoint!
Thanks for the info on the ultradyne chassis.
Man that evil crow!!!
Have both, love both! 8.6 suppressed is so quiet it sounds like an air gun.
I'm only here for the crow drawing😂
Bro, you got 8.6??
That's wild, nice. Now on to the video 😀
The spall coming off of that steel is likely to kill. Kind of impressive 👏
good timing. I got my 8.6 suppressor stamp approved this week
All I gotta say is, I neeeeeed a Boombox...my Honey Badger needs a friend...
Good comparison, thanks banana man
I built a 338 Spectre back in 2015. It's still one of my favorite. 300gr subs carry plenty of energy out to 300-400 meters.
The Spectre never got the respect it deserved. Maybe it being a subsonic only round.
@@garybraddock9890 i load them supersonic at 185g and sub at 280-240. I think it's becuase the parent cartridge is less common. 10mm mag pistol. Though, i see some say it can be done with a 6.8SPC. Also, not super common...
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I looked quite a while for a Contender barrel. Eventually had an AR barrel and die set fall in my lap and gave up on the Contender
@@garybraddock9890 I wen't for a set of reamers, die reamers, CH4 dies, and 2 AR barrels and one Rem700 blank for a short, scout rifle pattern in 338 Specre. I never got around to getting a can for it, so it's still parts waiting to be chambered. It's sitting under the 510 Whisper kit of all the same parts. (im a horrible procrastinator). I can't seem to find time to even reload these days, now that I'm retired.
So what’s the holdover like at 400? 20 or 30 feet? 😅
Almost done with my 8.6 build can't wait for cerakote to finish
my UNviewed opinion. 8.6 should rule given mass size and amount of powder pushing it (energy dump)...now on to the tests!
Hey Mr. Ballistics, I have an idea for your splash tests. I'd put a dish (maybe a cheap casserole pan for example) under the jug. It may be a good idea to suspend the jug above the dish by the handle too, so the hydrostatic shock doesn't disturb the dish too much. Then, when ya shoot the jug, most of the water is splattered around, but some falls into the catch dish. You can then measure the amount of water in the dish to get a general idea of how powerful the bullet was. My theory is the more powerful bullets will leave less water in the dish after the shot. Not a completely scientific test, but at least it's quantifiable.
Jeebus CROW, that 342-grainer is positively an ANTI-TANK ROUND! Good GRAVY!
Yea,, should be a pistol with suppressor
i know these aren't the most scientific but these are good videos to get a general idea and they aren't an hour long
Banana Ballistics is starting to grow into that voice of his.
8.6 is pretty extreme, especially in how niche it is. if somebody wants it, cool but it doesn't really serve much more of a purpose than 300 except in very specific situations, and you are going to pay for that difference with every shot you take.
Yeah unless you are hunting polar bear with a suppressor 😅 It's just an awesome gun.
Says the poors that don't own an 8.6
In subs and short barrels, 2x the energy at the muzzle and 90% of that energy out at 300yds with 8.6 vs 300BLK
The only real reason 8.6 is expensive to shoot is the ammo price. As more guns are developed and more ammo manufacturing happens, which it will because of the benefits, the price comes down.
Sure, 9mm, 5.56 and .308 are cheap, but each of those have disadvantages too.
Energy at range with 9mm
Low overall energy/barrel length loss with 5.56
Recoil/capacity/weight/ barrel length with .308
@dastarddizaster i own a Q fix and think 8.6 is stupid. That said i like to poach with it bc its pretty quiet when im on federal parkland 😆
@davidabest7195 Why do you say it's stupid?
Not looking to argue...I wanna hear why.
I know the ammo is expensive and limited.
I also know it's a tad overkill when compared to 300BLK.
@@dastarddizaster weird flex lol imagine calling people poor for not wanting to get invested in a niche cartidge when there is dozens of other options. Doooooosh
The concept of subsonic rifle rounds is pretty cool. Anything past 50 yards and whoever you’re shooting at will have no idea where the bullets are coming from. But if you’re looking for superior stopping power, a subsonic bullet just won’t do it. Unless it’s something like a 12 gauge slug or a 45 ACP or something of that nature. I have yet to find a 300 blackout round subsonic that will actually expand like it says on the box. I’ve been shooting 220 grain hollow points and although they are stupid, quiet and very fun I am very disappointed in the wound channels they produce. They actually do less damage than Any 9 mm cartridge. I have tested including FM J. They are just great whole punchers. In my opinion, something like that is good if you plan on taking a more accurate shot at range. Although you would have to hold over a good bit more it tends to be more accurate when you get into those heavy loads. I think that’s where the 8.6 blackout would out perform the 300 blackout. Of course, a slightly longer bullet with more mass is going to be more accurate at range, but in my opinion three or 400 yards is your absolute max even with that cartridge. Now I know everyone has seen a video of people shooting 300 blackout subsonic out at 500 yards. I personally seen it myself and I know it’s capable even if you hold over 700 feet.😂 but with that being said, do you really wanna have to depend on a whole puncher at that distance? I honestly don’t think it would have enough ass to penetrate more than a half an inch or so. I get it. We are pretty fragile as humans, but I would not trust the bullet at that range at such a low velocity. if you were trying to be covert and not give anybody a tip you were there and I guess it makes sense but the 8.6 blackout is just a niche round. Coming from someone who wanted one desperately and tried it out and I was really hoping it would be better but it’s just a slightly better 300 blackout. For all that I would say use a real heavy 4570 with a good suppressor.
Can't wait to see these vs 338 ARC
Im picturing the 8.6 flying like a 203 round where you can watch the fucker as it heads down range
Interesting new 300 BLK ammo from Phantom Defense. The "Spicy Boi" 85gr 300 blk does 2450 fps out of a 5.5" barrel and 2630 fps out of a 10.5" barrel.
Compare to 556 at 2185 fps out of a 7.5" barrel (have no 5.5" data) and 2500 fps out of a 10.5" barrel.
Damn those special 8.6 rounds are awesome.
Edit: crow 2 looks more like a woodpecker.
Hey banana on your tilting table forget those flimsy little end pieces you got going on and use a car scissor jack right in the middle. Then you can use the drill to move it up and down easily and it’ll support as much weight as you put on it. for the table top if you can find a flat piece of AR 15 steel and mount it on there any bullets that angle down will just get angled back up. I really enjoy your channel by the way. Thank you.
Now we need to add .338 arc to the lineup
The second one wasn't no Crow that was a sparrow with a hat😂
Such a great channel where you get to watch this guy beat it out on steel.
Oh wait....what? 😮
Nice video but it's a lot like comparing a 12-gauge shotgun to a 20 gauge. Really no comparison. But it is nice to see the difference in the two none the less. Fun video to watch.
@10:07 thanks for speaking my language 🤣
I love my CMMG! Great color choice too!
It was NOT "concrete", but "cinderblock", which typically has about 1/3 the strength of concrete as "cinder", or "Fly ash" is a lot weaker than the stone aggregate used in concrete.
Those 350 gr expanders are from Maker Bullets. I use their 400 gr in my 375 Raptor, which kicks 8.6's butt in every way.
.338 spectre is the better cartridge (.338 arc of they offer more loads ) . 180 grn accubond tipped @1950fps ,200 grn accubond or jsp @1760fps ,225grn jsp@ 1680 fps , 250 grn @ 1450 fps OR subsonic loads , and 300 grn subsonic loads. In an ar-15 with 16" barrel . The spectre uses 6.8 spc magazines and bolt face . The extractor is slightly different . SBR ammunition has everything to get a person started with .338 S , including reloading supplies and their uppers and rifles have a 1 moa guarantee with sbr factory ammo. Other places offer spectre specific 300+ grain bullets for reloading and at least one other place has loaded ammo. Plus it uses standard 9mm pistol cans for suppressing it . This is one of the best intermediate eastern woods hunting rounds made . It was designed by the same guy who designed the .458 socom ,another outstanding cartridge and is also @ SBR . .458 S is basically a micro .45/70 for modern rifles. 300 grains @ between 1800-2000fps (load depending) from 16" barrels . 405s @ 1600-1800, 500 @1400ish or 1050 =subsonic , 550 and 600 grainers @ 1050 . IMHO 6.8 spc II , .338 Spectre and .458 socom are the best alternate AR-15 Cartidges. 6.5 Grendel , .350 Legend and .50 beowulf are the next best. (.400 L has potential ) 6mm arc,6mm spectre and 6mm ppc are all the best target shooting and long range varmint choices IMHO . .22 arc and .224 valk. And .25 sharps bros are also very good choices but need help. The .25 sharps has serious potential but is not well known . It replicates the old .250-3000 savage and early .257 Roberts with 87 grain bullets @ 3000 fps and 100 grainers just north of 2700. .300 blk and .450Bm are very good, but not the best of choices except for being commercially popular and available in more places due to that. 8.6 blk is for a larger gun,and is vastly more expensive than .338 Spectre for guns and ammo. .338 S is about 600 for the upper and 25-50 for factory ammo . If it became successful that would all go down .
hate the water, miss the sand
Sand test so boring, bullet doesnt go through, surprise surprise
Call me weird, but I loved the sand test. If you are trying to gauge how much penetrative power a round has, why would you think the sand test is boring if that is the whole point of the video?
@@OlIIlIIO i would alter sand test to maybe 2x 3in boxes or maybe 6 x 1 in chambers and see how far it goes,
@@OlIIlIIO Only very few bullets actually goes through it.
Cartridges may be underwhelming but that Robinson Armament is sweeetttttt
If only every chassis would be compatible to trigger systems that isn't "traditional".
Ive heard that .300BLK has zero upsides to 5.56 NATO *other than* being reliable in subsonic. The 8.6 however, looks really interesting. Apparently 8.6 needs like 1:3 rifling (but can handle 1:1?), so quite a bit of rotational energy to dump on target.
an AR15 with an internal buffer system and long stroke piston?
you mean an AR18? I love those.
is a 30 cal rifle is an AR10 and a 22 cal is an AR15, and the internal buffer and long stroke gas piston adds another 3 ARs, is a .308 AR with internal buffer and long gas stroke piston, an AR13?
wtf are you smoking
@BananaBallistics I think 8.6 & 300BO are anti climatic. However I am very interested in seeing Hornady's newer .338Arc versus the 8.6 and which ends up being the better of the two. However to be transparent, I leaning more towards the 338Arc, considering it can be used with an AR platform.
I ask myself……if I could only have one AR…..the 556 or 300 blk out. So I have both.
I like Your brass catcher. I’ve used several but the scope mounts keep changing, taking away my bullet catchers real estate. Mind letting Us know the Rand You use? Or is it of Your own design? Thanks for the sub tests!
Wow, over 220,000 rpm that sounds crazy. Do you know how fast old basic 180gr 30-06 round would spin out of a 18/20 inch Barrel I'm not sure about the twist rate. I have old Remington 700 and curious. Thank for the great video. Cheers 🍻
At roughly 2,650 fps, that would be 190,800 RPMs at the muzzle with a 1-10 twist.
@@bananaballistics Really wow. Thanks for getting back to me.
If you like Siege Mortar ballistics, the 8.6 is perfect.
The 8.6 isn't meant to penetrate armor, it's meant to impart massive centrifugal energy into soft tissue.
You should do a collab. Get everyone together.. High-Speed Kentucky Backyard Banana..
Test a rifle. Explode a rifle. Rebuild a rifle. Test a bunch of ammo in a rebuilt rifle and hope it doesn't explode....
I'd watch it
I do love your videos and all the comparisons, but it would also be nice if you included the cost per round of each type, because that would definitely be a big factor for someone who wanted to shoot very many of any of these.
BB, I know you edit your videos with quick cuts in mind - but when you do chrono work or other maths, is there any possibility you can leave the averages, energy and other such add-on text added during post production for even half a second longer? It's really hard to pause the first time through a lot of videos so I can read the information. And I do enjoy nerding over numbers 😁
This is the first Banana Ballistics video I've watched, so, like everybody else, I have to ask: Is that voice real?
8.6 blk is doing what it was designed to do, which is not shoot through metal. 0-400 yards, no recoil, quiet for hunting, in conjunction with NVGs. The fact it will go through wood and would still hit the target fatally is promising.
Can you compare 9mm out of a pistol and out of a PCC?
Thanks!
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I love 300blk. Had a sig chambered in that and she hit hard
Got to Lowe’s or Home Despot and get 3-5 refrigerator boxes and use them as spalling captures.
Water jugs don’t explode unless you PUT THE LID BACK ON.
Leave the lid off and the bullet passes through much easier with much less splash.
Hey BB, test out the 8.6 on ballistic gel. Those wound cavities are gnarly.
Im sending my 220GR 8.6 seeds @ on average 1850 +/- 3 with 27GR of 1680. Getting around 1650 FT-LBS of energy. Just crazy stuff!!!
The bathroom guy kills me
Try bi-metal jacketed bullets. It's the kind that a magnet sticks to the whole jacket equally. In 556 m855, just the tip will stick and near the base won't have any stick.
I have a 556 in 1 in 7 twist and I fear the auto fragmentation in mid air. Never happened with the bi metal jacket rounds.
Two thumbs way up 👍🤘
I've had 300BLK and the only benefit I've experienced is for pistols or SBR's compared to .223/5.56
9mm AR pistols get better performance when considering energies and price, IMHO.
I do have an 8" 8.6 Blackout pistol and consider it leapyears better than 300BLK in sub and super in a pistol AR.
Marginally better than .308, and less beneficial than 6.5 in rifles.
You should get the Ballistic High Speed guys to visit you.
Were am I? I was just watching this video and I blacked out two different ways.
Please do 375 Raptor vs 8.6 Blackout. The people need answers!
They make a Dissent in 8.6? Cool. my wallet already feels lighter
The problem with 8.6BO, is that it's the same action length as 338 federal, but drives the same supers around 500 fps slower.
I am not surprised because the round is fundamentally silly. Supersonic, like .338 Federal, it would have definitely found a niche use, but 220 gr .300 BLK ALREADY has issues with reliably expanding. By adding more mass that has to be expanded with the same low velocity, you have a recipe for failure.
Thanks for doing this, it'd be more affordable for me to dig for oil in the bedrock behind my home with a .22 lr
Subsonic 300 grain bullet. Do you need a sight from an M203 to account for drop?😂
Difficult to watch when you state, “1:6 twist is the fastest for 300 blackout”
Apologies if this has been discussed before, but I like the brass catcher bag you used - is that the right word for it?