World Cup, Cleetus Doesn’t Fit any Classes. (Just Build a New Car?)
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When you look at it only from a "racing and winning only" perspective then things don't make perfect sense. If you look at it from a "TH-cam Rock Star" perspective, the McFarland team seems to have it dialed in 💯
Fair point...but if you want to sustain that 'TH-cam rock star' image, you need to keep winning these events in your premium car. Team McFarland have seemingly developed Mullet into a car that can no longer win its World Cup class within those rules. I'm trying to logically understand why McFarland would do that 🤔
@@53gloweI think that’s why we’ve seen Mullet sit more while. the other cars come out more
@@53gloweNah, I was locked in way before mullet and still check for new posts every day. He has assembled, in my opinion, an all-star team with a great variety of content that I enjoy. I do agree that it could get taxing for him to keep the ideas coming though. As for now, I'm hooked. Mullet or no mullet.
@@53glowe I'm sure he's got it handled.. I just enjoy the show. Winning is fine, losing is fine I'll watch either way because he's a pretty creative, smart guy that puts out good content.
@@53glowe I’m not sure most of the fans care whether he wins or not. A few big time drag fanatics would. But a lot of his fans aren’t big drag fanatics.
THAAAAT'S why Cleet & Ty had a laugh when talking about "triangulating" Mullet's new rear suspension.
Kevin doesn't get enough credit for Mullet.
Bullshit he doesn’t, he got all the props in the beginning. But the car it is now is so much different than what it was. I mean how long do you want people to praise Kevin?
He does cleet himself says mullet wouldnt evem be here without kevins knowledge and work
@@kings_nemesis5995 you are fk nuts. Kevin did nothing. Only ths chassis is old. There is nothing Kevin on mullet these days. Kevin made a 10 second car that sucked. Kevin is a moron.
@@4dshowpeople forget Kevin blew up from mullet. Now the car is night and day different.
Lol dude Kevin got his rounds don't act like Cleet didn't give him the cred
if cleetus does build another car it would be cool to see him do something big tire and go really fast with it
There is no big tire cars in the south they all went small tire
His superbird that he wants needs to be the big tire car!!
I want them to get a big nitrous car so bad, we all know James’ past with his 240
@@eddiefortmann02 Absolutely nobody is going to chop up a superbird
@@lysolmaxthat's where you're wrong people have done it
The conversation between you two seems so natural and is so informative! I could listen to these two all day.
OG Murder nova was a perfect example of what your talking about . Shawn knew the car was becoming unsafe .
Ruby and Leeroy are a pair of death traps.
Na, Leroy is pretty safe. It has a solid cage. Ruby however has just about nothing anywhere...@@Cultofpersonality09129
@@Cultofpersonality09129really B? Why so?
Leeroys terrible chute deployment not included
Leroy is getting a body and garret already said that is the main reason, to change the aero to stop that from happening@@mcspikesky
@@Cultofpersonality09129 How is Leroy a death trap in its current configuration?
The exemplifies the fact the Kevin is one smart MF. This is a great clip coop.
Kevin is such an encyclopedia of information!
Mullet needs to either go big tire, or, rehaul the entire thing. He will struggle on Radial to go low 6's consistently, even with the changes to the rear end. Like yall said, its a tough spot to be in and a tough decision. Cuz I know Garrett wants to keep Mullet more "street-like" and is avoiding going big-tire. But man seeing the SMX stuck around 50psi kinda sucks.
150lbs makes a big difference on my autocross car, some serious weight reduction would be huge on it.
@@rustysausage69 it will make a difference, but the problem will still remain of being able to consistently put down 50+ lbs of boost on a Radial and run low 6s.
Drag radials are actually faster than big tires when properly set up. Slicks are more forgiving obviously on less than ideal surfaces.
@@bmpMMR well if Cleetus is running drag and drive events and wants to run low 6s or even 5s, have fun with those Radials going those times consistently! Tracks are super inconsistent so big tire is where it's at for low 6s n drag n drive imo
Two of my favorite guys.
Is everyone in the comments watching the same video? I dont see any hating on Cleetus. Just talking about the cars original design intent and then Kevin even said he talked to Tye about redoing the bars in the back, which they are doing. People getting real soft these days.
a company like the one making the fiberglass body for Leroy could make a carbon fiber shell for mullet. then they could cut up mullet and tube frame the entire thing.
+1 on this
They dont do Carbon
@@riderzincthey do carbon they just don't specify in carbon work they said it in the video
@@Deerfield5 They can do it but they don’t, They specialise in fibreglass
@@riderzinc if you read my comment correctly you would see i said "a company ------->like the one
Endless budget race teams will always win, it’s impossible to be competitive without millions
Wow cooper you really found a good platform as podcasting listening to you talk technical is a breath of fresh air compared to your previous channel directions.
so good to just hear Kevin again. so much knowledge to share
Don't push ol' Cleetus. He can provide a very fast car with a blank check.
Cleetus needs to build that VZ ute. It's an Aussie El Camino after all. Both cars in their natural habitat get driven by people with Mullets too haha
I’m thinking he’s gonna do a Godzilla 10r80 build on the Ute. He has a godzilla laying around and he will have an extra 10r80 when his midnight performance package comes in
If they were just racing theyd have whatever car does the best numbers. Theyre not only building cars. Each car is getting its personality built. From start to finish.
I think I'll always be fascinated by the law of diminishing returns when it comes to going fast. It's nuts how much is needed to get those tiny increments at speed.
I could listen to Kevin all day.
There's a certain point with building cars where it just makes more sense to build another car.
Speaking of chassis stiffness. I remember when I first helped my dad install a bolt in roll bar in his drag bug. It was a simple 4 point roll bar (Main hoop and door bars), but was designed to also be used as a 6 point bar with optional tie in bars that mounted to the end of the transaxle horns. Dad tried it without installing the rear horns first because he wanted to keep the rear seats, since he got a cheaper setup that used straight diagonals to the back that bolted in instead of larger bent bars that would go over the rear seat backs, but hated how it felt cause it stiffened up the chassis in a weird way and he could tell the frame horns were flexing a lot. We added the extra bars and man did it launch better without the whole drivetrain twisting around. I looked into finding the roll bar and found he had a very very early ron lummus racing bolt in bar. He got it with the passenger bar and optional traction device add ons. Made for a very consistent bracket car for the class he ran in.
My opinion, if he wants to go up against the promods, he needs to build a promod. Put Mullet back to a drag and drive config with either an LS or another big block and that thing can go 6.60s all day and dominate drag weeks.
Not going 660s with a ls lol
Its already in a drag and drive combo. That's the whole point of the SMX. Its a purpose built drag and drive engine.
@@oldscratch3535 Not in it's World Cup configuration. He has to go back to the old steel front end, put the big radiator back in it, put the rear fuel tank back in it and a bunch of other stuff.
The problem with the SMX is that world cup bumped him up a class because of it. Drag and drives probably aren't far behind.
He was going against 4 and 6 cyl promod, not a fucking big block with twice the turbos 🤣 maybe he just needs to dial his car instead of you blaming the class 😉
@@whyettjensen3292 He went 6.90s with one. Pete is building better engines than that and the chassis is much better now. The only thing keeping it from at least 6.70s before was the horrible 60ft times.
There are rules to stop people from "BUYING " a win .
Anti roll bar and a decent cage makes the g body shuffle go away completely. The shuffle is completely caused by the rear suspension trying to twist out of the car. The anti roll bar takes care of that.
If Cleet does not show up the crowd is half at best they better watch kicking out the biggest draw
I think this 4 link deal theyre putting in mullet with the new rear end will help with 60fts for sure and then theyll be able to make more use of all that power.
Everyone is terrified of mullet, and the monster that kevin, steve and Tay created
Anyone else notice Garret posting on Facebook looking to buy a new El Camino body? 👀
Loved this conversation!
Show cut off before it even got finished. It was interesting listening to you guys. I’m not quite sure if it’s jealousy or actual facts nor do I care.. it’s fun watching Cletus grow that’s all I know.🦅🇺🇸
this is a clip from the full video which is on the bogetti studios channel
I big part of this is how FAST the level of racing is now. A 7sec car today is the what a 10sec car was 10 years ago
All the cracks on the rearend when they too k it apart shows you guys are right
Look at the Grand National that Ernie Carrasco of EC1 race cars built for Lights Out? It held the world record for a few years for a reason. SomeTimes you gotta get some out side resources to help on a chassis. Even Skinny Kid in Detroit,Mi. is a prime example of what can be accomplished. He has done several Drag and drive events.
I would really like to see Cletus build a light weight specialty race car, not intended for driving on the street
I have been thinking and commenting for a few years now that Bradenton is not an ideal place to test. It's known to have the best prep and as soon as these guys go to other events and tracks their consistency falls apart quickly
A friend of mine had Skinny Kid do minitubs to his ‘84 Regal with an 8.50 bar in it, and they cut the rear framerails down exactly like you’re describing. It didn’t have any real cage support in the back besides the 2 downbars from the main hoop and they were bent for backseat access. First trip to the track with the mini tubs/cut frame and it put dents in both quarters from the body flexing!
Miss you on Cletus channel, but like your show! Think Kevin is cool as hell!good dude!
Everyone was hating on Kevin for the Hallie deagon thing that happend in Tennessee everyone that was hating on Kevin for no reason are just simps for Hailey I love Kevin to I wish he was in the channel more and help out ty to
People comparing a 10+year old race program that is only made to race, to cleetus 2year old build with engine changes every year 🤣 the guy running 5s have been working at it for a LONG TIME. Mullet is fast but far from being at its full potential
4:13 I agree 100%! Mullet HP vs chassis not a good Sick week combo as is anymore . Steve is a great builder and knows!!
I think they are forgetting the fact that them building a pro mod and going racing against other pro mods isnt what their channel is about. Of course that makes more sense, but they are jet boat racing, bush plane racings, rc airplanes, freedom factory events, monster trucks, etc. their content isnt jusy about going balls to the wall drag car racing. Its almost better for them to go through the struggles because it equals more content. In my opinion the "real car" stuff is way funner to watch then a full blown drag car going fast.
In the name of science
Speak for yourself. Seeing mullet get its ass handed to it at every race that it actually races in classes that have the same engine platforms.
Jet engine and Mullet. Mullet was originally setup to run a jet engine and not have any "drive" down the track from the rear axle. Since then the chassis's been modified for 3 different engines, LS, BBC and SMX, all with increasing torque, but not the full bracing that's really needed. The full bracing would require a basically new tube chassis from front to rear like you talked about.
The Jet car was a different car, It’s not Mullet
@@riderzincmullet was the jet car, cleetus stopped when people kept dying from jet cars.
@@groundshakersociety6637 He sold the jet car chassis as the cage had to be redone so he started again, watch this you will see mullet is red not blue with the jet car front end on it, they paint it primer then it got wrapped th-cam.com/video/p6nKVcbZn-I/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Xl9mjQpTLpjTGm53
Might not be the exact frame and body but the idea of a El Camino names mullet came from having a jet in the back. @@riderzinc
@@anthonyprokopie29 I know, Party in the back
I could listen to Kevin talk about cars all day.
never judge a vehicle by its cover
Great talk. Thanks
I’m building a 1500 hp drivetrain for my 1984 suburban, i would love to hear this conversation based around full frame cars so i know what to expect
Kevin is a smart man he can definitely “racecar”
Option for your car pull the 5.3 out of the mustang put into the catfish and sell it. Buy a foxbody chassis roller pretty much done insert 2j and keep chip for spares.
he doesnt build another one bc he has enough rn and just needs to dial in what he has, but a new car would be sick
Steadily chopping and cutting mullet to go quicker creates a lot more content/income. In the long run to run a 5 they will build a different car completely
And he started rebuilding mullets rear end last video.
There are thousands of guys drag racing, but if you’re looking at the content of Cleetus, it’s a matter of entertainment versus best performance that you can get watching any pro racer.
I feel its a bit rich them saying that they have to look at the potential of the engine when mullet is nerfed by the tire. Sure he could produce 4000hp but the tire can put that down, so that has to be the limiting factor they should be rulling against. Also was a SMX allowed in the class Mullet run in the previous year, and was changed after he had already put it in? I'd be pissed if they changed the rules specifically for my car after I had just invested in that engine.
cleetus is already chopping up mullet to make it faster must be an old podcast
Wow after reading the comments i see not everyone can take constructive criticism as a good thing...smh
It's simple. Cleet wants the best of both worlds and he can't have it with the way Mullet is set up. IMO, building another car is the best option. He's not hurting for cash, and he can then cut down on like 3/4 of his problems because he's constantly trying to get approved for certain classes. If he wants to race promods, build a promod. I think sometimes he believes that since he's famous, he can shimmy his way into things other folks can't. I hope he understands that at the track, he's just another guy with a car, and the community is going to bend rules so that he can race what he wants. Its simple at the end of the day.
Some events for cleetus are not worth entering, with the tyre rules at some of these events its just pointless. World cup is huge but cleetus brings alot fans into that event aswell, so to push it that far with the tyre rules that make it not worth entering is crazy. Be hard for mullet to compete anyhwere if other events follow similar rules even with the new rear end they have, the limit factor will be the tyre.
Kevin is the man.
I'm starting to like this podcast. Really informational
Interesting timing with this clip, and Cleetus looking for another clean body to purchase.
He’s already said if he builds another car it won’t be another elco it will be a more capable platform
Dont forget the original reason for building mullet was for a jet engine but that changed after that death out at the salt flats. they were already so far into the build that it made no sense to scrap it but it wouldnt have been their first chassis choice back then either if they knew they were going this route. @@54raceman
Hints to Garrett announcing the end of Mullet but moving on to the Ute
Took a minute to realize that is Kevin.... ❤😂😂
Very interesting listen!
I do love the mullet - it’s so impressive for what it is but for competition sake it’s probably just the wrong fit for today.
Would have been unbelievable in the early 2000s - Bob rieger 57 Chevy era. Cars are too wild now 😂
Aside from the doors and now the front end Mullets body is completely stock, right down to the floor boards. If they cut the floor out and rebuild the chassis, the car could be competitive in the low 6's and high 5's.
Did they know at this time the read end of Mullet had weld cracks? On both sides? Lol
Mullet is ready for custom chassis and cut all the factory stock body panels.
Did you realise its not the same body/chassis as the jet car?
What's to say they don't change the class again? To me it seems he gets targeted with all the cars, even mcflurry with the hood BS.
Yea I agree with you on that it's like every time mullet is running good or mcflurry all the tracks they go to change the rules but don't change any for the other guys the video when mullet was on the 315 set up mullet was hooking up and then as soon as cleetus got there they changed the rules that quick
I would have left mullet as is for now & built a new primary first.
Wasn’t mullet originally stretched to run a jet engine? With the rear cut off, maybe there are advantages to shortening it? (Weight & traction?)
Mullets replacement obviously needs to be unique for the channel & merch sales.
Unique?
- Toyota Century
- Austin Martin DB#
- Lexus LC 500 (or LFA)
- BMW M8 competition
- Mercedes c63 amg
They originally stretched the wheelbase for the jet engine. After they decided not to do that they put it back to stock wheelbase, which is still longer than most stock wheelbase cars. A longer wheelbase makes for a more stable car at high speeds and a shorter wheelbase can help with getting weight on the rear tires, but if you're able to move weight around its not really needed.
He just said the chassis is stretched 10in literally a promod lmfaoo
He didn't say it was stretched.. he said it has 10inch longer wheel base than most other cars being used.
These guys are Hilarious
Garret did post on Facebook that he was looking for another El Camino to buy
That was a long asa time ago when he was building mullet to be a jet car
@@Deerfield5 it was December 28th, 2023 when he wrote “looking for a rust free 85-86 El Camino. Who’s got one?”
Do you guys think that mullet can or will ever be a big tire car? Hit the 5s?? Thank you both for all your content.
The problem is that he wants to build a daytona charger as his pro mod which is not that much lighter than an elcamino
Rich kid will buy a class
Keep the good work up cooper
Had to google who Garrett was. Talk about a rabbit hole..
His legal name is Lawrence, even deeper...
You really had to Google who cleetus was how are you that slow at figuring shit out it just sounds like you're being a smart ass
@@meeragray7441why y'all care so much he ain't from Florida either but I could honestly care less about his real name or where hes originally from but y'all take shit way to serious Garrett is a real genuine person on or off camera
It’s not really wcf it’s Larry Mack’s warriors outlaw, lot of people think wcf pulls rules out of their ass. These classes run all year, and their rulebook excludes 481x which is Steve’s smx without water. If I’m not mistaken ajpe and Steve worked together on a lot of the 481x stuff.
You guys arent factoring in the youtube aspect and cleetus has x100 the money and labor to be able to do it
The big teams he is running against are just as capable as him. It’s all about getting connections and knowing who to ask for what
@dapickle6128 other teams are just as capable but cleetus job is to build, repair and race these cars. Other teams racing comes secondary as they usually have shops etc that are their source of income and take 1st place. Look at ksr, he is just as capable but he can't take 100% of his time to racing.
Im probably the only fan that wants to see cleetus slow down. In all aspects of life.
Slow down alittle and remember to focus on saftey. Some of the sketchy passes in the f150 or the supra. 1000hp with a stock seat and lap belt. Thankfully nothing bad has happened yet. But dudes got 2 kids to think of. I know he will never stop being true to himself. But he should be as safe as possible.
Simple, he built a car for drag and drive and wanted to go fast! He didnt build a x275 combo. Essentially he built a pro 275 or even a 315 rvw engine combo. Drag and drive just needs to be consistent on track to track and make the drive for the class..
One thing tho is that when he goes to practice is cleet does perfect in but as soon as it's race day or drag n drive the car doesn't do good it does but doesn't I wish we get to see more Leroy on drag and drives with ruby
He normally runs the 315 but tracks tell him it's to fast for the other cars so he switches to a 275 tire witch makes no sense of competing if cleetus can't go faster than the other guys
@@Deerfield5 Again that's because of his engine combo. look up the engine combo size limits and turbo sizes for 275 and then pro275 engine combo along with rvw.... the pro275 is his engine combo but only on a 275 then rvw is a 315 with his engine combo.... Sorry but he wants a 4000hp combo and wants to enter a class with say a limit of 2000 is horse shit. Rules are based on engine combo and chassis and bla bla.
Cleetus already started tearing out the back end of mullet but he should have went two cars one engine
I think the issue really was that it was initially built to be a jet car, its a stout car sure.. but since they decided to put a regular engine in it.. wasn't the right fit.
Not the same car, Mullet isnt the jet car project
@@riderzincyes mullet was the jet car project but then they changed mullet for the engine build did you forget cause you can watch it again if you need to
@@Deerfield5 it’s not the same car is what i’m saying, he sold the jet car body/chassis and bought another El camino to build Mullet
@@Deerfield5 watch the video called, we’ve secretly been preparing mullet for the el camino for race week, you will see the car is red not blue like the jet car
th-cam.com/play/PLItmK6OcSt0HciF2YLl0iZ2f_OGNdTJWY.html&si=69t5kxlQ1KLnk98U
Why not look at Steve Morris Wagon? that chassis is set up, There is a point where you got to show the bars no matter what?
Dad bods and pro mods!
They will modify Mullet to win in the faster class.
Not at World Cup.
s9372 The next world cup!
Y'all got people rowed up about this one I'll always love Cletus I see no hate just constructive criticism it's just a discussion about what cleetus should with mullet one thing I find weird is when cleetus is running good with the 315 tire set-up they change the tire rule for cleetus to run the 275 but not any of the other guys cleet will be running on the 275 and then the other guys are running 315 witch makes zero sense to me witch it did happen at a track I just forgot what the track name was
Wish cleetus would build a promod.
Is there a link to the Tin Soldier rear chassis/frame that Cooper referenced?
Tuning has gone too far, It is now the Same concept of nitrous on a button. Over build an engine and tune it down to dominate in a certain class then add another 1 thousand horsepower to pull a win last second can dance the line of “Cheating”. But on the other hand financially speaking he could just be over building the car so it can run in faster future classes and fund the racing team which is smart but I very rich way of doing things🤷🏻♂️ BUT you can’t add that much power and not tune the car for it with out some sort of suspension prep or tire prep and size increase (big tire) that’s my thought😂
Just so everyone knows. Ty literally just cut out the rear end of mullet and are going full floater rear end. Seems like mullet will be done super quick though, so Kevin may be overreacting a bit
The work Tye is doing will help but it still won’t be a full tube chassis car which it needs to be. To fully utilize the SMX potential the car needs double frame rails which I suspect is never going to happen.
@danmyers9372 yea I'm not super fond of the chassis at this point when the fact that it's a El Camino is only a fad at this point
@@Chains377it's not your car or money to worry about that much I'm not being a dick cleetus can do whatever he wants to his car
@@Deerfield5 you also could've just not said anything if you don't care. Have a nice day tho
Needs a c8 drag car. Leroy 8.0
You cant upgrade the c8 yet so there no point of doing that rn
My opinion Cleetus needs to make Mullet the ultimate steel roof and quarters drag and drive car and make Ruby the ultimate drag car that is really fast in the 8th and ¼mile and get Steve to build a BBC like what was in Mullet and he should get a full tube chassis built for it because he will be able to get Ruby alot lighter than he can Mullet and with a light weight car and 3000hp he should be able to compete with anyone that he wants and if he builds it right he can always switch from small tire to big tire with just a few changes
I reckon that's what he's doing with that commodore ute.
They just scared 😂😂😂😂
If cleetus wants to remain competitive he needs to get way shorter or run bigger vehicles. It hurts to watch him slumped over in these new cars.
Very interesting
Well, yeah, Obviously.
But Cleetus and this car is an entertainment/content car, not a dedicated racecar.
I am pretty sure that shop could build a great drag/race car, but that would not provide the entertainment/content the same way as doing ridonkulous ISH just to do it.
There is a fine balance between entertainment and results, and Cleetus has found it.
Why not just start with a bugatti chiron? It's already full carbon
Do you think it makes sense for Garrett to transition to a real race car like Alcohol Funny car or even top fuel funny car or rail?
Ask a question and let them answer!! Stop interrupting!!!!
I think it’s bullshit they’re treating him that way!
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