Toyota’s ALL NEW Hydrogen Car Will DESTROY The Car Industry!
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Hydrogen FCEVs are really just electric cars with a hugely inefficient mechanism for refuelling them. BEVs are safer, have an existing charging network and can typically be charged at home from solar.
Hydrogen ICE cars are even more inefficient, noisy, still cause Nitrous oxide pollution, have gazillions of moving parts, etc etc.
Why use hydrogen?
With the cost of hydrogen at roughly $16 a gallon equivalency to gasoline it’s hard to justify a hydrogen card
Hydrogen cost will be more like $30 a gallon and its output is 1/3 of gasoline which wil make it more like $100 a gallon. And if we cut gasoline use the price of gas wil PLUMMET and could actually PAY PEOPLE to fill er up which they DID under covid when gas use was cut by only 10%
Hydrogen is produced by COAL
The OUT PUT is WATER VAPOR which is the NUMBER ONE GREENHOUSE GAS
and wil increase FLOODING, CLOUDS which will KILL SOLAR POWER GENERATION and cut wind energy
WOW-GENIUS!
That's without grotesque subsidies from gvt. If you get gvt to actually subsidise hydrogen in the same way they do with electric then that price is easily half that. Add to the fact that the gvt truly believes the climate is in danger due to car usage then no price is too much to solve the problem so it proves something is not right. All the money wasted on batteries, and solar power would have allowed for super cheap hydrogen production. Ask yourself. Since the early nineties car manufacturers were planning for hydrogen yet for some strange reason they got no grants, tax breaks, free parking for their cars. California has had the murai since mid 2000's yet only 54 hydrogen filling stations were built. Why? I know exactly why.. when you realise why then it begins to make sense.
@@domkelly1972 that simply is not going to happen. Countries are committed to EVs
What the heck is a "hydrogen card" ?
@@johnnydev9318 fucking spell check. Car, but it just likes to add and add and add
Not really since the cost of the fuel has skyrocketed. It now costs over $200 to fill up the tank of a Mirai
How many kilograms for $200
What kind of range do they get for $200 of fuel?
@@331SVTCobra Remember 90% of the Universe is made of hydrogen, there are two atoms of Hydrogen in each molecule of water, not counting all the hydrocarbons and carbohydrates. It is a scale and engineering problem, cost will be higher for now but if you consider the unlimited supply it is a good idea to pursuit.
It is a 'theoretical' unlimited supply. Practically, the supply is zero.There is no free hydrogen on planet Earth. You have to produce it. To make it. And this involves all kinds of processes that need a lot of resources. Depending on how you want to make it, you need human resources, financial resources, etc etc ... just like producing any other goods in the economy.
My next door neighbor "fills" up his Tesla with his solar (also unlimited supply and "free") charging station in his garage for.......$0.00! Of course he did have to install the solar system, but he did it himself for less than I pay for gasoline in a year.
The cars are easy enough to build but the hydrogen is the challenge. Some hydrogen is actually refined from petroleum and that is expensive and dirty. But some is separated from water using electricity but it takes a lot of electricity so that is also expensive. I have been reading about new technology for that and this will be the key to making these cars viable.
FCEVs are dead on arrival. The whole thing is a cult.
Thanks for the history lesson.
Any reason you didn't research the "state of the art" ref hydrogen?
Almost all hydrogen commercially produced is made from petroleum which is why the oil companies like it. Then compare the amount of energy lost in producing hydrogen and then producing electricity with the fuel cell. It looks like a dead end technology.
Actually, if your country has nuclear power plants, they can easily produce more hydrogen that is ever needed. So you convert your coal plants to nuclear and your gas burning cars to hydrogen and you get a win win.
@@thomashutchinson1259
Do you have an example of commercially viable quantities of hydrogen produced by electrolysis?
It's a non starter unless they get the suppliers in place. Cousin had a Mirai and there were only two stations within thirty miles in Southern California. Great car, no way to go far like regular cars.
The only Hydrogen stations in my county are for County vehicles only, though some companies have refueling facilities for their vehicles.
IT CAN BE WORKED OUT. THE SAVINGS IS AMAZING! SUPER LOW MAINTENANCE TOO. MASSIVE SAVINGS ON GAS
It is still interesting. EVs have the same problem with fuel and apparently they tend to burst into flame. H2 should be able to be fairly easily added to the existing infrastructure without causing brown/black-outs.
Obviously
When cars were first invented we didn't even have roads to drive them on!
More expensive,more complicated and NO refueling stations ! Yea sign me up ! 😂😂😂
The batteries can go up to 80 hours charge that's twice going across America
I am a fan of alternative fuels. The issue with hydrogen is currently the fueling stations cost 1,000,000.00 per pump. Not the full station its per pump. Currently impractical.
Yes but in the far distant future they may overcome this issue. Say, 10,000 years from now.
Acceleration and cost effectiveness will begin once the public starts to realize that for some, this technology works for them, not just 100% electric.
I agree with your comment but given time the price will eventually come down to where everybody can afford it. Take calculators for example. When they first came out they were around $50 and that was back in the 1960s when $50 meant something. Nowadays, your phone has a calculator and even if you do go and buy one they are what….5 or 10 bucks?
@@phayzyre1052a real calculator today is around 80 dollars
@phayzyre1052 scientific calculators are still the same price. The fact that a $1500 phone has one built in is pointless.
I saw that a Mirai was for sale in Phoenix. Too bad there are no hydrogen refuel stations in the city or state
Well theoretically if it works, imagine not only cars but our homes too
And blimps!
JCB has developed their machines to use H2. Airplanes can use this fuel. The problem is compressing, storing and transport this fuel. Having a "fuelstation" at home is solving some problems.
Hydrogen cost will be more like $30 a gallon and its output is 1/3 of gasoline which wil make it more like $100 a gallon. And if we cut gasoline use the price of gas wil PLUMMET and could actually PAY PEOPLE to fill er up which they DID under covid when gas use was cut by only 10%
Hydrogen is produced by COAL
The OUT PUT is WATER VAPOR which is the NUMBER ONE GREENHOUSE GAS
and wil increase FLOODING, CLOUDS which will KILL SOLAR POWER GENERATION and cut wind energy
WOW-GENIUS!
No thank you. No bombs in my house please.
BOOM!
If you Research how Batteries are made for any Battery Powered Vehicle, you will understand that it is Very Bad for Environment...
lol .. drilling and fracking oil and burning it over and over causes massive health issues for people and negative environmental effects behind climate change
Buy a bicycle. It still takes energy and resources. Or walk. That's minimalist.
Everything is labour intensive.
Unfortunately I think you’ll find hydrogen fuel cells require rare metals such as iridium which makes stuff like lithium look like a walk in the park.
@@stuartphippen46 very true fuel cells have never been practical for that reason. You think it was bad people stealing catalytic converters for the rare metals, just imagine fuel cell cars! The idea of mass market fuel cell cars, it's never going to happen.
The industries should use the new technology in making flying cars with anti-gravity materials.
let me go down to my local hydrogen refueling station , lol
Car industry seemed to be doing a good job of destroying themselves
Has not convinced me, same burn factor and expensive maintenance.
LOL good one. 😂
😅lol
No the government mandates are destroying the auto industry
They see the handwriting on the wall. Oil is a finite resource. Experts say that at current usage (that's CURRENT usage, and we are increasing usage all the time), we could be OUT of oil within the lifetimes of some alive today. We need alternatives. Period. Or we go back to horse and buggy.
This video does an 180 at the end and gives some explanations why H2 won't be an alternative for some time.
Funny
I wonder how many people left comments before watching the whole video. People seem to only listen to the bit that reinforces their pre-held beliefs anyway.
@@davidbesant I was almost one of them. I was starting to rant, basically stating the same issues as indicated at the end, but thought "wait, let's watch the whole thing". Worth it.
COST, COST, COST
Hydrogen is just plain H, not H2
7th grade chemistry. So easy. Ford's original model was water-hydrogen based until Rockerfeller & cronies flooded him with millions(billiions in today's value) and allowed him and his family to exist.
Ford's original cars were the "Gentleman's Roadster, the Model S luxury, and the Model T. Ford has never made a "water hydrogen" car, not even as a prototype. You have fallen for the old "water car conspiracy scam"
Please learn chemisry and physics. Your post is laughable.
There is not enough Platinum available for fuel cell based mobility as we have it now. Max 10% of cars can be equiped with it.
The reason hydrogen hasn't taken off is that it's extremely costly and difficult to harness and store.
The same used to be said about LPG.
In order to extract hydrogen it takes a lot of electricity. This is why in the past it has never been seriously considered. . Plus it is extremely explosive. For some reason people are prepared to turn a blind eye to facts these days.
Solid state hydrogen technology has just been perfected in China. Solves the safety, storage and transportation problem.
Also governments invested in the oil industry are dragging their feet.
That's just an engineering challenge.
It’s all good, but where is the infrastructure? It’s cool if we have the technology but no way to fuel it without traveling a long way. Also still uses lubricants right? So still maintenance costs.
yes, you're right but once a few models of these hydrogen cars come out on the roads. we are definitely going to see the infrastructure development too. it's a matter of sales figures.
@@electric-futureFinally someone else who also believes in the future of hydrogen cars. I truly hope they become a thing.
@@YDGFX Wait until they want to build a fuelling station in your neighbourhood. I'd rather have an explosives factory, they are safer. I do know what I'm talking about.
That's just great, I'm waiting to one of these cars blows up. It's gonna take out a few city blocks, isn't that lovely? Let's just hope they keep them in the city's only.
Honda had Clarity hydrogen EVs for years. They just dumped the Clarity line (PHEV, EV & Hydrogen) a couple of years ago. They couldn't make it work. How is this different?
They have managed to lobby the Japanese government to fund the idiotic waste of hydrogen. Japan is importing almost all of its hydrogen from Australia where coal fired power plants are run to provide the electricity to create that hydrogen...
It's not. It's just a cultural thing for the Japanese. If they commit to something they stick to it and they commited to hydrogen very hard. For them there is like no way to stop
It isn't. It's simply Toyota inventing solutions for problems that don't seem to exist....
Hydrogen not electric will be the future
I wouldn’t count on that. A little thing called physics gets in the way of hydrogen.
@@engineeringtheweirdguy2103 tell that to Toyota who is putting their money on it
@@JamesW225 just because Toyotas is putting their money on it doesn’t mean it’s a good investment. Just look at GM’s hydrogen truck deal with “Nikola motors”. They gave them $2 billion for only 11% steak. For a literal scam. Their add about the “hydrogen truck of the future” had to be rolled down a hill to make it look like it was being driven.
Or look at the billions invested into Theranos almost a billion dollars of investments. For litterally nothing but a scam.
@@JamesW225 and what do you say about the legacy auto makers that pulled out of hydrogen? They certainly don’t want to put their money there anymore and have gone to battery instead.
Or even Toyota themselves. They have, what? Only 1 hydrogen car on sale? The Mirai? And it’s only been the one hydrogen model since 2014, no other models hitting the market, barely any advancement made in the technology. Meanwhile, Toyota, the very same company, announced 10 new battery electric models to hit the market before 2026! That’s literally 10 times as many battery electric cars models invested, than hydrogen cars invested in, a 10 times shorter timespan.
Sure, they’re definately putting their money where their mouth is. ‘rolls eyes’
@@engineeringtheweirdguy2103 i dint. All i am saying us that Toyota is going to steer away from electric because they believe hydrigen is the future. Take it up with them
I am a firm believer that hydrogen power it’s production and usage surface has not been scratched, look at how the battery production, life span has changed in the last ten year, the same has to happen with hydrogen production. Like all things it takes time and determination.
we already have the means to produce hydrogen in mass quantities, through multiple means green and through the petrol industry... hydrogen is the best balance between reducing emissions and not destroying peoples lives... like the petrol industry will just have to shift to more hydrogen production.
one of the really cool things about hydrogen is most commercial planes can actually run on hydrogen fuel with very little modifications like they just have to put in either pressurized tanks or cryogenic tanks and change the air fuel ratio for ignition.
No. Just no. Ballard Power was saying that in the 1970s.
@@daveturner6612 yea well Thomas Edison said no to AC power for the longest time and look at what powers the world now?
like edison was soo vehemently against Alternating Current power the dude electrocuted an elephant to try to prove that DC was superior.
Hydrogen isn’t so green and production is very limited for example green hydrogen is still expansive, is produced in very low quantities compared to grey hydrogen which is very dirty and the lack of infrastructure, demand compared to gas and electric cars dose have the edge while it’s still experimental stage of completely replacing fossil fuel production 😂😂😂
@@TgamerBio5529 hydrogen produced through the petrol industry is chemically no different then the electrolized hydrogen... on the molecular scale they are exact duplicates the only difference is you greenies have decided to shame one with a dark name because of the production method... like its kinda funny how much your "hydrogen spectrum" is holding up progress of this field.
also hydrogen is about as "green" as it comes... the only exhaust gasses it produces when burned is NOx which every other combustible also produces and we can fine tune these levels through innovation, plus if you go the fuel cell route you end up with absolutely 0% NOx
that's magnitudes cleaner then your EV's which are powered off the power grid... which if you weren't aware is powered mainly by fossil fuels... the massive battery packs in your EV's are also produced very very dirty like if hydrogen produced from hydrocarbons is grey your EV battery production would be like the blackest black in existence.
The tank will be 10,000 psi . Wouldn't it be wonderful if you get rear ended
100%
So the choices are hydrogen blown up or EV burned to death
@@andrewgarner2224 At least EV's smolder.. before they blow. Hydro BAM!
@@ruskiessuck3337 so Hydrogen is better because it cause less and shorter pain on death.😁
why are you driving a super dangerous flammable and explosive gas powered car? do you realize how dangerous that is?
Interesting idea, but where do you fill it up? Zero emission like EV's, but how much pollution is generated making the hydrogen and this car? What is the total cost to own and recycling of components? How do the hydrogen tanks hold up in a collision? I think I'll wait for my Mr. Fusion powered DeLorean.
0 pollution. EV is polluted by battery
if only they knew the price /kg of hydrogen in CA almost quadruple since 2016, now at $36 with super unreliable refueling station.
Its all an illusion/manipulation by the government and car industry. The government makes us think the so called planet is dying because of us, while the car industry is building all new cars makeung us think this will help, but in the end will not make a difference at all, în the environment or our wallets. It's all a scam.
@@thetruthyesoooohhhh, so that’s why every car maker was resisting with every fibre of their being from going electric until Tesla started taking huge chunks of their sales, so they tried to smear Tesla and have now ended up resigning to the fact that they’re going to have to go battery as well at great cost to the companies profit margins…. Because they WANT to go electric… makes sense.
$200 to go 400 miles in a Toyota Mirai
No new hydrogen production plants, no mass building of hydrogen fueling stations, no mass building of hydrogen refueling trucks, cost of hydrogen is equivalent to $16/gallon gasoline (is there cheaper hydrogen now or in the near future?), and hydrogen gets about half the mileage of EVs per kWh due to losses in energy all the way from production of hydrogen to converting hydrogen back to electricity.
I'm having trouble seeing this hydrogen car even making it to production, let alone dominating sales.
@twostate7822 in the near future if we get a cheap method for production of hydrogen gas then it will be a revolution
@@nisar24 With the expected major advances in battery tech towards multiple times the energy density and a fraction of the time to charge, hydrogen would need to do something spectacular to get back in the race.
The only place I see hydrogen having a place is in extremely remote areas cut off from electricity sources, where fuel has to be shipped in by truck.
With the inherent energy losses when converting from electricity to hydrogen, storage, transportation, and converting back to electricity, it's hard to see how hydrogen can win the price battle assuming battery prices can be slashed.
@@twostate7822 Mining for lithium and cobalt are not a win over fossil fuels. Electricity generation via wind and solar are unreliable and have destoyed the beauty of flyover country. Hydrogen will prevail, if people are actually serious about caring for the environment.
Shut up ev is trash. No boom boom.
All of the car companies can pool resources to build H2-filling stations, just like Tesla built-out its Supercharging network. The governments from various countries will also give additional grants and subsidies for H2 infrastructures as well.
Lithium ion battery has 350 Wh per liter and 180 Wh per kg at pack level, whereas H2 at 700 bar has 1,400 Wh per liter and 1,800 Wh per kg. Yet, the Tesla Model Y and 3 have plenty of internal space, even more than equivalent gas cars. Just imagine that!. Green H2 is projected to cost around $1.5 USD in 2020 value.
The irony that Japan could end up driving the larger car than the US.
Hydrogen makes a lot of sense, but how much will it cost to be towed into one of the sparcely placed hydrogen fueling stations?
Sounds enticing? Research maintenance of hydrogen vehicles. 😉 Requirements to the quality of air filters to be used, specialized requirements for the service centers, etc. And why waste electricity to produce hydrogen? Then instead to fuel/charging in your garage or parking at work, or while shopping? Battery Electric is the only way to go.
@unxusr EV are absolutely useless for long trips, so they are completely off the menu. Currently, HV's are off as well because I'm not mapping out my traveling to locate hydrogen refueling locations. Guess it's just gasoline and/or diesel for me.
So, let me get this straight. We're going to use electricity to split fresh, drinkable water into hydrogen and oxygen. Then we are going to use electricity, again, to compress hydrogen into a practical volume. Then we are going to use some fuel or again, electricity, to transport and distribute hydrogen to numerous sites, all the while using electricity to maintain the pressurized hydrogen, which will then be used to power internal combustion engines, which are around 25% efficient. And the cherry on the cake of this plan is that I can once again be held hostage by some corporations who produce and own the hydrogen fuel. Sounds great! But, instead, I think I will just continue to use my electric vehicle, which I can power, along with my house, with electricity produced by the PV system I already own. NO THANK YOU.
Typical tesla employee.
@@orionemperor5319there is no valid argument on why these cars are better than EVs or even fossil fuel cars, it cost way more money and energy to build ,the process of making the “green car” turns out burning more fossil fuels.
This video will age like milk left out in the sun. The saddest thing going on here is how much Japan depends on automobile manufacturing and Toyota is out of their minds. The second saddest is the blatant and obvious lies is this video.
@@orionemperor5319
No, typical BEV owner
95% of our "fill ups" take place in our garages at night
WE RARELY EVEN GO TO THE PUBLIC CHARGERS
I rather buy a a car that is EV american or a toyota japanese car hydrogen than a china made ev. You see china wanting to buy them to steal tech .
Thanks for stating the pluses and Minuses. Google shows only 2 charging stations in the State of Washington.
Somebody invent an engine that can convert water to hydrogen. Then we're free.
It will definitely be the most popular car at the 5 hydrogen stations in California
Wait, there are still 5 left?
There's no hydrogen infrastructure set up in many countries, so this will sell well in Japan but not in Europe or the US eg where petrol (aka gas) stations aren't kitted out to store hydrogen fuel.
There is very little infrastructure for electric vehicle too. That is why they are not popular in the UK.
@@paulclairethomas1344 There is a lot more EV infrastructure than H2 fillers. Every electric outlet is an EV charger.
Europe has already mostly converted to hydrogen on newly built long haul trucks and buses.
It's taken 10 years for battery infrastructure to get where it is, and its still useless in large countries with long distances and city streets that don't have off street parking. Hydrogen infrastructure can be put at every current service station in place of the LPG systems.
@jjbee9229 Yes, but you have to replace all the pipes with safer ones, and governments have shyed away from these costs. Also, hydrogen fuel is much less efficient than BEV. That's currently one of the main arguments against for cars. The UK government only intends to build hydrogen infrastructure for Articulated vehicles (commercial haulage) to avoid the costs of petrol station conversion. Many countries will do the same, especially now solid state batteries are in Toyota cars already (700 miles range). Diamond batteries will be even better. So currently, BEV is looking much more likely to be the dominant electric vehicle.
Toyota please make a 4 runner or Land Cruiser version 👍
foolish idea You gunna strap a number of hydrogen spare tanks on your rear bar?
I have chosen to sit back and wait for a car powered by a Mr Fusion reactor.. just drop a banana peel and a milk carton in the reactor and it will power your car for a week. :)
If it is cheap enough I would absolutely like one, the problem is still if everyone needs to have a car it has to be much smaller.
Hydrogen is the way to go. Keep it up Toyota
Definitely this is the future, (green hydrogen derived ) liquid methanol fuel to fuel methanol fuel cell (and then electric motor without battery with way longer range and "rechargable" by refueling liquid methanol in just a minute just like any diesel engine. This is the future, better than "normal hydrogen" because methanol is a liquid fuel directly and easy derived from green hydrogen and way better usable than hydrogen because no need compression pressure storage and or ultra low temperature needed. Methanol liquid room temperature fuel is just a drop replacements in any gas station with little modification and same happens even with combustion engine but obviously fuel cell Ev gives more efficiency .
Methanol is a carbon based fuel, won’t save the environment.
Hydrogen is way to go for the future…
Sure, it will take off with a bang. How many H2 refuelling stations are near where you live? If one is close, move.
@@peterinns5136Oh please. Toyota has again and again proven their hydrogen cars are safe. Hydrogen as a fuel is so much more environmentally friendly than batteries as their only byproduct is water compared to batteries which will end up in landfills and will pose some numerous great threats in and around the enviroment they're in. Of course there aren't as many hydrogen refueling stations as charging stations currently but there will be and even more.
@@YDGFX I do know what I am talking about. Hydrogen production may become free as it is a byproduct of flash graphene production. It still has to be compressed and stored and transported. That is energy intensive. Again and again? They sold 3,900 vehicles last year. Worldwide there are a little over 800 filling stations. A bus and part of a filling station were destroyed in July (California). Static electricity can easily ignite hydrogen. Servicing H2 vehicles requires a great deal of expertise and safety systems are essential. It's not for no reason that the big miners have tried and rejected H2 as a fuel source. Maybe one day. But who knows how far EV's will have progressed by then? And H2 will always be inherently explosive.
So why did H2 vehicle sales drop 11% this year?
@@peterinns5136 Sale in America meant nothing; Hydrogen Vehicles will be adopted by all the Countries in the World; only in America USA; that they burned up to 16% of (Coal and Lignite) and 60% of Natural Gas and FYI:
[ [Methane, the main component of natural gas and a byproduct of fossil fuel drilling, has more than 80 times the warming power of carbon dioxide in the first two decades it’s in the atmosphere. ] ]
The dirtiest Vehicles are Teslas and the Most Expensive = Good for Nothing.
he Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries is an organization enabling the co-operation of leading oil-producing countries in order to collectively influence the global oil market and maximize profit. When/If there were OLEC L = Lithium, the Price of Lithium would bring Batteries made cost to double currently priced. The Chinese are controlling the overall refined Lithium. Before OPEC existing; Crude Oil in 1960's like 5 US Dollar a barrel; look at now = 70-80; And the world has more than 100 years of Oil & Gas Reserves / Reservoirs and Oil and Gas by nature when winter gone spring come = all the plants grow the Creation of new Oil and Gas continue; we will never run out of Crude Oil
When people begin to use less plastic, nylon bags and more Paper-base and less Petro Tires with more Rubber Plants base like 19th the Demand of Petro will be less and the Hydrogen will be generated by Atomic Powers and other form of Solar (not Solar Cells or Solar Panels) just pure Optical Mechanics would produce plenty of Hydrogen and Oxygen for Hospital Uses.
Real Engineers and Scientists of the World know how to reduce the Pollutants that will have direct impacts to Humanity not the Elon-gates and Electric Vehicles from his Daddy Xi Jinping and Shanghai.
first they said hydrogen... stock falls. Then they said ammonia... stock falls.... I see a huge trend here.
My only observation driving behind one of these this last year is that they splat water under your car if you’re following them. I was pretty far back, and my wipers kept going off. I could think of a dozen ways to get rid of water without having it just drip out the back. Once in a while, we see these in town. Just like the EV cars. The initial infrastructure to keep them going is a long ways away.
I suspect that in the future to get these cars to sell in the northern latitudes, car companies will heat up the water to turn it more into water vapor rather than just water.
*Not* like an EV. An EV can be charged overnight in your driveway. Hydrogen powered vehicles can not.
@@villram7389 that would be one solution…get it… solution
@@davidhess6593 Yea, you fill the tank. In seconds. Like gasoline.
@@painkillerjones6232 Yep, unless you don't live in California. Then you have to walk.
it will NOT dominate anything I watched a guy fill up his small sedan with hydrogen he had to reconnect 3 different times , it was many minutes and it was OVER 100 dollars no chance bro
Well, charging a big electric car like a Tesla will be disastrous to your electric bill! that’s why one of our friends got rid of hers-it was costing more to charge the tesla than. To fill up the previous car she owned!
@@vetsai8199 Someone is telling a lie here. Charging an EV is much cheaper than run an inefficient ICE car - and hydrogen comes out at three times as expensive still...
Note: Fuel cell required rare metals to work. They do not tell you about this .
And a 100k to change the cell after some years?
So do EVs.
Back around 1980 or so, an inspector from Contra Costa county California stopped by our place in Knightsen, CA. He was driving a Chrysler sedan, one of those “K” cars if I’m not mistaken. It was powered by hydrogen. Probably not the most efficient as they were running a conversion on the internal combustion engine similar to a propane conversion kit. Of course the only fuel point was back in the yard the vehicle was issued from, and the tanks filled the trunk space. I thought it was very cool though.
Not really. Grossly inefficient and impracticable.
So all is great until winter comes and the road turns into a sheet of ice
come on man we want Evs with solid state batteries
i agree....more range means less infrastructure needed.
Nope - ICE vehicles with Solid State Hydrogen is the way to go and SSH has now been invented
It's a non-starter until H2 is available at the corner filling station at a competitive cost to gasoline and diesel. The H2 would have to be produced with green technology or the exercise is pointless.
Chicken and egg. Why would anybody spend money to install a H2 station in front of your garage before you purchase an H2 car?
Research maintenance of hydrogen vehicles. 😉 Quality of air filters to be used, specialized requirements for the service centers, etc. And why not fuel in your garage or parking at work, or while shopping? Battery Electric is the only way to go.
I never see these cars tested in sub freezing weather, its always a perfect sunny day .
Good luck to build the whole refilling infrastructure to the level Tesla did with the Supercharger network.
No problem. 😂
Yeah, the idea of hydrogen at this stage of the game is absolutely comical. No one is sinking billions of dollars into hydrogen vehicle manufacturing without global scale hydrogen production and distribution.
And no one is sinking billions of dollars into global hydrogen production and distribution until there are enough hydrogen vehicles in people’s garages.
By the time that happens (decades), EVs will be half the cost they are today, twice the range, and the global charging network will be bigger than today’s fueling infrastructure. I plug my EV in at night, and if I need to, there are half a dozen fast charging stations within a 20 minute radius. One of them less than 5 minutes away.
Toyota might as well invent DVDs in 2023, they’d have a better chance of success.
@@wonmoreminute it’s comical to the point when everyone driving an EV is sitting in a hurricane evacuation and there’s no power to charge their cars. It’s comical when everyone comes to the realization that lithium is finite and not very green to mine it. It’s comical when all one has to do is lookup what Exxon, just for one, is up to with hydrogen production. Comical to think that technology exists now that allows hydrogen production on site. It’ll be really comical when somebody realizes that to get electricity a fuel source is needed to produce that electricity. Imagine how comical it will be when flat screen TVs will be invented that you can hang on your wall. Oh wait that was 20-30 years ago. To think those used to cost $12000 for a 29 inch model. It’s very comical indeed. Hydrogen will be the only answer in time. Hopefully we have enough lithium batteries left to be able to make use of it.
@@TheCoachsCoach933 It's comical how much bar room knowledge you have used in substitution of true facts...
@@karlgunterwunsch1950 what facts do you need? Air Products = on site hydrogen production units. Lithium is a finite resource. Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe. Plasma TVs were $10k plus in 2000. No bar room knowledge here you comedian you.
Sounds like costs will be well beyond even EVs. Most people will not be able to purchase an hydrogen vehicles.
Yet alone run them at twice the price per mile for fuel compared to ICE yet alone BEV
Cool vid. I think this is the future
Would want more mainstream news on this
There isn't any because that is a nothing burger...
Not if they destroy themselves and everything around them first. If you think EVs exploding is bad, wait for this Hindenburg on wheels.
Now all we need is the energy and distribution system to "generate", store and distribute the hydrogen for all those vehicles after we've destroyed the existing auto industry.
@@user-mi3up7ws1f Sounds like Nikola Trucks dream... opps.
❤❤any hardware store could sell you an exchange tank..no need for scervice stations..
Yup. Actually, the answer is M85, methanol blended with 15% petrol, methanol made from atmospheric CO2 using nuclear power.
They said the same thing when the electric car was introduced. Technology is moving so fast, IC components become obsolete after six months. The automobile industry has proven to quickly adapt to new technology.
Have you guys explored developing a hydrogen tank exchange program? Design the car so that the tanks can be easily replaced with a full tank by the car owner. Use this technique instead of trying to require huge investment in many fuel stations. Only need a few stations that have exchange tanks. The business can refill the empty tanks for exchange.
add a metal rust inhibiter to the hydrogen
It already exists ,they are like cartridge. You remove the empty one and replace it with a full one exactly like your gas bottle you can pick up at your local petrol station .
Great idea🎉 like gas tank in every grocery store.
I've been thinking the same for a while. Hydrogen is definitely the future.
good idea! this way when you get into an accident we can have fuel cells flying around because there easy to remove! If its easy to remove it will definitely come off in an accident! DUH!
Hydrogen is very easy to produce right at the carburetor level, The trick is they vibrate the water (not oscillate, big dif!!), whether it be salt water or clear just a different filter system. Anyway , just so you understand in very basic tech, The center of a magnet is referred to as the "B" field (or Nutron), When you vibrate the water with the "B" field the water will separate the Oxy and Hydrogen at any rate you need to power your engine. LET's be crystal clear we are talking about a Sawtooth vibration at the correct frequency and were good.
Yrs. Ago I converted one of my taxis to propane. Burns clean - was low cost & engines lasted much longer. One huge problem - same problem with EV’s - not enough places to fill up & most available stations are not in convenient location. If ur going out of town what happens if the one & only station is out of fuel ???
Apparently 20-30% of electric charging stations are broken or vandalized or work at snail pace. Government officials keep saying “build electric & buy electric but do nothing to properly build network of reliable charging stations in Convenient locations.
Just like government to do things ass backwards !
Btw - have never even seen a hydrogen filling STN.
With my Tesla I’ve gotten totally used to charging up every night in my home garage. I’m never going back to fueling up at a station if I can help it!
in 25 years we may have enough filling stations for these to be functional.
Just in time.
25 years?are you a grown up? We went to the moon in less than ten! You don't have any real experience with cars do you, hmmm!😅
Students in Switzerland have recently built an EV that reaches 100 KPH in just under a second. That’s more or less instantaneous. And in Holland, students have built an EV off-roader that has covered nearly 1000 K s across North African deserts, powered only by sunlight. The end of EV’s ?.......I don’t think so somehow
Molecular hydrogen can react with many elements and compounds, but at room temperature the reaction rates are usually so low as to be negligible. This apparent inertness is in part related to the very high dissociation energy of the molecule. At elevated temperatures, however, the reaction rates are high
Hydrogen is promising for sure however, I'll be buying 2-3 cars in the next year as I have a large family and none of them will be EVs. The harsh truth is that the combustion engine is far, far more efficient and convenient than anything available today or a decade from now.
no,. electric cars are much more efficient energy wise. they get about 100 mpg equivalent . electricity is much cheaper. my brother bought a BMW and it costs hime 80 bucks a month for charging vs his previous vehicle which cost him 600 a month as it was a jeep with a supercharged 426 hemi. he has a heavy foot .and just bought a used tesla plaid because it's about the fastest car you can get.
I love my Toyota Tundra. Paid cash for it 9 yrs ago as a Demo. It’s still like new, and I’m a maintenance freak. If someone wants to give me an EV truck, I’d take it. If not, then I’ll keep what I have. All new vehicles are way overpriced.
@@ronblack7870 I don’t care if the equivalent mileage was 150mpg. An all EV US is a fallacy let alone the globe. One word, Chindia. Yeah, that combined 3 billion people don’t give a rats ass about the environment and climate change is merely another tax grab so not worried about that. For now, I’ll enjoy my 3 minute fill up that lasts me 5-7 days and zero drama of waiting on charges et al.
Bottom line is hydrogen is promising especially when tied to nuclear. Future battery technology is also promising, again when tied to nuclear so you can build a grid powerful enough to support the additional drain. And there are even other technologies not yet even being discussed. One or all of these will eventually be advanced enough to actually replace ICE engines, but nothing is there yet. The key is not to stop trying, but also don't artificially force the change over before it is ready. When a new technology is actually a better solution it will be adopted because it will make sense. Today some people's life styles are perfectly with BEVs, they should buy them and use them. For others it isn't so don't try to force them because it is right for you. Instead of telling people don't waste your time working on or discussing other technology because I know the right answer isn't only foolish, but defies logic and scientific methods. Debate, discussion and even arguing all helps technology advance, but using laws to force technology on people created resentment not solutions.
the 100% flatulence car will be even better lol
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As we speak, all supplies of hydrogen filling stations has been closed in our country due to poor demand, leaving current hydrogen car owners with virtually useless/worthless cars. Only option is to export them to Germany, where hydrogen is still availble in some cities.
So you live in Denmark... Well we Germans were always a little slow to recognise lost causes...
Toyota has the money and a good R&D team. Japan will have the infastructure for it. I feel like toyota will be in the hydrogen fuel station businesss in order to lower the fueling cost in order for the consumers to get on board.
Battery materials are absolutely not completely depleted, additionally you can recycle 96% of an EV battery, including all the lithium.
Do you have any idea how much Co2 emission produced in recyclinh a single lithium battery? A lot!
That’s a necessity, since China has cornered the market in cobalt, which is needed to prevent spontaneous combustion of lithium batteries in hot weather!
@@vetsai8199 batteries don’t combust in warm weather. They combust when exposed to oxygen. Also most cobalt come fro the DRC, Indonesia and Australia. Infact China isn’t even in the top 10 countries producing cobalt..
The only thing is, they will have you purchase fuel at a service station. Instead of just filling you tank with water to make hydrogen fuel
When I was a kid they said hydrogen was 20 years away. I am now 44. Batteries were a better grift as decentralized Hydrogen would truly be a gamechanger that would catapult innovation. They want slow controllable capitalism so they can squeeze every sheckel from us plebs.
Same for electricity!
@@JohanVanSynghelyou can charge at home, dum dum.
Also the hydrogen has to be produced using large amounts of energy and then transported to petrol stations again using more energy
@@xploration1437 only if you make expensive modifications to your electricity supply dum dum. and only if there's enough electricity in the grid which there wouldn't be if everyone had one.
My work just switched to hydrogen batteries. They do not work as well as the batteries that we used to have. They need to be filled more often and using the equipment in the freezers is a pain also. If they go down in the freezer, maintenence has to be called immediately and it has to be towed out before the battery freezes.
Nobody is suggesting hydrogen batteries.
@@hornplayer1228 Chill dude
These cars from Toyota will kick the butt of all EV put together. WATCH!! Five years from now Tesla and others will be a foot note in Auto History.
Greetings from southern Ontario Canada I really enjoyed the video
Glad you enjoyed it!
It will have to come with an at home hydrogen filling machine to be practical.
No it won't, it will be at every gas station that's the point
Not near my home for sure!
*REMEMBER THE HINDENBURG* !
In Norway, a hydrogen filling station exploded..........Hydrogen in cars is useless.
@joedennehy386 If we look at how they made EV stations available I have my doubts they will actually set up the system prior to sales.
HONESTLY,
anything but electric makes sence.
Never trust a DEMOCRAPP to take over the weather.
BAD IDEA for everyone but CROOKS
We’ll have to plant millions of hydrogen trees to fill these!!😂😂😂
We can now see cars blow up when they wreck just like we’ve been seeing for years in every epic action movie
This starts off as a advertisement, but the last part does mention why hydrogen is currently not practical. A needed correction is that lithium supplies are increasing. But hydrogen recharging infrastructure in some counties is shrinking (or disappearing in the case of Denmark.) Within the next year the first cars with sodium ion batteries should be rolling off the assembly lines in China. And we have oceans full of sodium chloride.
Short lifespan compared to lithium battery.
@@michaelmurphy6195 with be worked on
Let's not dig up the entire planet for this insane and phony EV initiative from the Totalitarian Climate Cult! Talk about destruction! To Hell with their phony careers! They will have to figure out some other way to get rich themselves and take over all countries and their economies. Patrick Moore, and countless others, have revealed how fraudulent this whole thing is. Global warming and CO2, indeed! And EVs can't even cover the distance of a normal trip. Talk about destroying transportation! What about trucking and farming? We all just starve? And what to do with all the dead batteries when discarded? Even worse!
correct its more of an apology
For that matter, cars running on sodium ion batteries have already rolled off the assembly lines in China. More will follow for sure.
Yup…I’ve noticed all those hydrogen filling stations coming online. Great infrastructure development
I know I’ve seen one in my lifetime.
must be sarcasm lol
nuk em forever
FCEVs aren't "recycling the air." The cars aren't sucking in ambient air, separating out the hydrogen, burning that, then releasing the oxygen byproduct.
"Australia has fewer than 10 hydrogen refuelling stations in operation" Good luck with that!
We need to improve safety standards for the better and the future of green energy will be even better...
Need a car that produces its own hydrogen fuel from water.
Too bad it's impossible.
@@drewwatts7867 It would be possible, but of course not without an external energy source. Not as a perpetuum mobile like the "water cars" from swindlers like Charles H. Garrett or Stanley Meyer.
@@drewwatts7867 Theoretically, you could use solar power from the roof of the car for electrolysis of water.
Compressors pump the hydrogen into pressure tanks.
And within a year parking in the open, you might get enough hydrogen for a couple of hundred miles.
An efficient system might give you 30 grams of hydrogen at an average day from 2 m² of solar (depending on the site).
Which might give you 2 miles range with a FCEV or 1 mile with an ICE powered car.
@@701983 Exactly my point.
Well said!
In chemistry back in the early 1960s, the teacher was waving a short "Coke" bottle around with a bunsen burner flaming away, and accidently (wink, wink) got the mouth of the "Coke" bottom close to the flame and "BOOOM".. Hydrogen is very dangerous, just think what will take place in an accident when that BOOM goes off for the people inside the car.
The INTERESTING part is that you always include your appetite to destroy and that it ALWAYS leaves a trail to the same people. Give it up.
The only trouble is, it’s extremely dangerous. There’s no infrastructure in place as of yet nor is there any plans for it looks to me like it’s going to be extremely inconvenient even if it is fuel efficient. Toyota will want a lot of money want a lot of money for the car.
Gasoline is extremely dangerous😀
EV's are very ENVIRONMENTALLY DANGEROUS and EXPENSIVE to buy and operate.
However, world government does not give a crap about people that have to pay for EV's.
People are paying ENORMOUS $$$$$ to build infrastructure for the EV's, government is keeping it on the down low.
EV batteries are extra extremely dangerous. They can self ignite and cannot be extinguished until burnt down to a pile of grey ash. Petrol and hydrogen do not self ignite.
@@TheCoachsCoach933 Not half as dangerous as H2...
Hydrogen might be the most abundant element we have on earth but it takes a lot of energy to get that element on its own, and it will only be good for the air around us if it is captured by green energy. At this time of writing is far to expensive not only make but also for service stations to store, so battery defiantly for light vehicles and in the future Hydrogen for heavy vehicles
$36kg and stations closing due to a hydrogen fuel shortage? No thanks
So many moving parts it might be cheaper to run fuel wise ... but the moving parts it going to turn into higher maintenance then Evs
The fuel is more expensive, the parts are more expensive and the maintenance is way higher. There is nothing really going for hydrogen in cars. They might be better when weight is important like in trucks but thats it
i have always thought that hydrogen was the way to go BUT the problem lies in the infastructure. UK Government will leave it to the private sector because it doesn't have the brains to run system of its own. So as always the UK will be decades behind
Your U.K. heavy equipment company JCB has already developed a range of Hydrogen powered vehicles and are manufacturing them. They are purchasing Hydrogen from India made using Solar power.
The idiots that built hydrogen stations in the UK all lost a lot of money. They are closing as there is almost no customers. Hydrogen as an automotive fuel was always a non starter. To expensive, the car is to expensive, the refill station is way to expensive. The manufacturing of Hydrogen is most done by fossil fuels and is to expensive and inefficient. Toyota in a few years will be a “Little” car company made up with what’s left and that’s with a huge and wasteful bailout by the Japanese government
Problem lies with using precious and rare elements like platinum.
As a Tesla owner, I totally applaud the efforts to develop hydrogen vehicles!
This documentary highlights its great benefits!
But points out it's major problems. A lot more development is needed before this concept can be widespread and useful.
Yes, I do want to see that happen. Human civilization needs to massively migration away from fossil fuels as soon as realistically possible.
Saw a youtube video of a guy in California filling up his Hydrogen car. He said it was a lot more expensive than gasoline. But he didn't say how much more expensive????
We have had the technology for this for at least 50 years. The tech was stuffed away since it wasn’t as profitable and threatened the oil companies monopoly
And now it is obsolete and unprofitable because EV have taken the cake and eaten it...
There are 1.25 billion cars in the world. If all of those need a giant, heavy battery and 1 percent of those need fast charging at a given moment, that means 12.5 million cars fast charging. If the power is 300 kW, that means a peak power requirement of 12.5E6 x 300E3 = 1.25E7 x 3E5 = 3.75E12, i.e. 3750 GW!!! That corresponds to over 3000 nuclear reactors.
If we all used hydrogen, you could multiply the power requirements by 4 times because of the inefficiency.
This is interesting as commercial power plant turbines generate H2 as a by product the power company has to "pay" to get rid of. There are other petrochemical plants that also produce H2 as a by product. Seems to me it would be a win-win for them to sell the H2.
Pay to get rid of it makes zero sense. Hydrogen isn't toxic. They could just slowly release it into the air and watch it float away
I think you need to consider the New world order that is all ready here and being implemented as we speak all very quietly and very quickly and been planned for nearly fifty years and is about to start hammering at everyone’s door all over the world . They don’t want us to own cars or anything so we can’t move about freely anymore in the United Kingdom the now king and mayor khan have just signed the agreement with the W E F to ban meat, dairy, air travel and private ownership of cars plus only being allowed to buy three articles of clothing per year . All your world leaders want the population of the world down from 8 billion to 65 million , and for any of you out there that think this is conspiracy theory
Believe me it’s true they been planning it for years and all the available resources to do it very quickly
Hydrogen is H, simpleton. H20 is water but that's because there are two hydrogen atoms combined with one oxygen atom.
@@markfox1545 Are you the bicycle builder/ repair dude from my boyhood days ? Anyway, Oxygen cannot exist as a single atom, therefore it is written as O2. The same for Hydrogen -- H2. Now take two H2 and combine them chemically with two O2 and you get hydrogen peroxide, which is strangely a germ killing disinfectant. I doubt there are conventional power plants having hydrogen as a by-product. It requires a substantial amount of energy to split a water molecule. And water by itself doesn't conduct electricity very well, so salt, either NaCl or some other salt, will increase its conductivity. Therefore, H2 gas plants could be built off shore, in the ocean, powered by the wind. Gas could be liquified, like they do for rocket fuel, sold as car or truck fuel. We are in the infant stages of going to hydrogen as fuel for all sorts of things, but there doesn't have to be any CO2 to go into the atmosphere as pollution. Cows, animals, people will provide enough CO2 to provide for plant photosenthisis.
@@markfox1545 I forgot to mention, ozone, which can be smelled after a lightning storm. Ozone is chemically written as O3 and is fairly unstable by itself -- would rather become O2, or marry a pair of H2 and become water. There is also another form of water the Germans were trying to concentrate back in the '40s, to build a hydrogen bomb. This molecule H3O was known as "heavy" water. I don't think it exists very well by itself, if at all.
green hydrogen would never become mainstream unless they adopt my award winning green hydrogen solution
Hydrogen cars are EVs powered by a very complicated generator instead of a battery.
Although hydrogen production is very low compared to the input,if it is done with excess clean energy there are good applications for it.
The rapid improvement in batteries and their decreasing cost puts BEVs way out in front for most applications.
Sounds promising but a few questions. How long does it take to refill the tank? (Although there may be few refueling stations so far this can be overcome). How often do the hydrogen tanks need to be replaced? (With cars which have the LPG option the tank needs to be replaced every 10 years but the dealer rarely emphasizes this point). Many garages disallow entry to LPG cars (EV cars - ha ha) but will it apply to hydrogen cars.
Refueling stations aren't the only problem, although their cost in relation to traditional gas stations or EV charging is astronomical. Handling and producing (usually in a seriously carbon-producing manner) hydrogen fuel is highly problematic. Hydrogen may have certain uses, but its practicality as a motor fuel has been demonstrated.... NOT TO EXIST.
Hydrogen much smart been using in forklifts for a while. Refuel under 5 min. Much easier to add hydrogen fill spots to existing gas stations then to update the entire us grid for ev that takes 30 min to an hour to charge
These cars have been sold by Toyota since 2014. Only 21,500 units sold world wide in that time. Also, hydrogen is very expensive in comparison to gas or BEVs. Producing hydrogen from water cuts the efficiency by about a third compared to just putting the electricity into an EV battery. Not real great.
@@1diggers1 producing hydrogen from water which is called electrolysis is about 70% efficient then compression to 10,000 psi loses 10% and the fuel cell is about 70% efficient with another 10% lost in buffering through battery giving around 18% of the electric motor. Simply putting that power into a battery electric vehicle yields over 90% of the wheels making it 4 1/2 times more cost effective to simply power up a battery electric vehicle. The hydrogen vehicle also suffers from massive amounts of upfront hardware, costs, and maintenance hydrogen is extremely difficult to handle.
Big advantage of a battery electric vehicle is you will charge it at home over 99% of the time which will save you a lot of time compared to a gas vehicle in a ton of time compared to a Hydrogen vehicle
Hydrogen is generally pretty hostile to tank material - it is the smallest molecule and is very hard to contain within a tank : the tanks have to be very thick and very precision machining /engineered. in the petroleum industry that I have worked on inspections were carried out on all pressure vessels where hydrogen or closely related molecules were found - the rate of corrosion and delaminating some vessels with the process was not maintained consistently was huge - a little different from pure hydrogen I grant you
This is awesome. I will definitely buy one of the first hydrogen trucks. This is the answer.
And where do you get your hydrogen from?
Simple solution: use NH3 Ammonia as principle medium in cars which has highervenetgy density and no cooling cost as comparef to H2.
To use NH3 just split off N and use H2 .
How dose it handle in snow and Ice and other climates.
Other possible concerns are the availability of the needed fuel cell catalysts, and issues of degrading of the catalysts, and the cost of replacing fuel cell packs. There seems to be no perfect system. EVs are said to be 5% as likely to catch fire as ICE, I wonder how hydrogen cars compare.
Good point. The worst part about burning hydrogen is that its flames are invisible.
True everyone is looking for the Magic Energy. But those Laws of Physics keep getting in the way.
small nuclear powerplants is the only way to go, no refuelling complete independance from any infrastructure required for charging or refueling but would you drive a nuclear powered vechicle?
The perfect system are bicycles… Lol😊
Fires probably won't be the major risk with hydrogen, mishandling of the fuel filling points will, due to the huge pressures involved...
This channel is dreadful, it just makes everything up 😂
in case you were wondering... THAT is why the combined total sales of h2 vehicles from start to present is around 6000. tesla? over 2 million... and growing fast.
Elon had said years ago he doesn’t think hydrogen was practical.