In all honesty .... KTM deserve to be bashed for this disaster of a situation. There is clearly some inherent issue within the LC8c engine that give it a 50/50 chance of being fine or being a costly and infuriating timebomb. The way KTM have decided to handle it all is just throwing fuel on the fire. Have a little respect for your customers at least!!! I bought a 790 Duke brand new in 2019 .. it didn't even make it 14 miles home from the dealership before developing an oil leak. By the time the warranty period was over I'd made a dozen claims for repeated oil leaks, cracked front brake reservoir and rear shock damping circuit failure. Ended up trading it in a few months ago before the whole 'cam saga' gained much publicity. Went back to a trusted Japanese brand, bought a second hand, 2 year old Honda with almost 10K miles on it and it's been perfect and faultless so far. KTMs are great when they work properly ... it's just you genuinely never know if it's going to work properly or not every single time you hit the starter ... cross yer fingers and hope for the best ... 🤷♂
@@MotoGoato that’s how many describe the 790/890. Hit or miss, when they work they are amazing, but you don’t know if they work every time you turn the key and hit the button. It’s sad that they still have these kind of issues these days, specially since the Japanese bikes are just known for they reliability. Thanks for watching!!!!
Your oil jets are getting clogged. It's either dirty oil clogging the filter or how certain branded filters behave with the motor. For whatever reason, the oiling system is using its bypass around the filter, and debris is clogging the jet. Your cam is getting worn down because it is too hot due to poor lubrication, which is the result of a clogged oil jet. You can see the clogged jet not working if you remove the valve cover and crank the motor (w/o fuel). The other jets will shoot generous amounts of oil, the problem one won't. Replace the problem oil jet when you replace the cam. Also, crank the motor to ensure the new jet is working. Most importantly, change your oil and filter together, only use OEM oil filters or the exact equivalent if you can find the manufacturer. Change oil and filter religiously - at or before mileage. Enjoy your famously high-maintenance bike with one less worry!
@@LGHTSPD675 agreed!!! It’s just a strange system they have. This particular bike was bought from the original owner ( 71 years old ) with every oil change and service done by ktm ( all the recipes and documentation is all there ). So if the dealer uses all the right filters and oil this shouldn’t happen. Also noted that the OG owner got his service a few hundred miles earlier than required. Thanks for watching!!!
KTM 790R 2020 owner; at 22,000km with no symptoms I took then bike in to have cams inspected (start of May) and a service (which I’ve done myself since out of warranty but wanted to keep the KTM logs happy), turns out the cams and followers are toast. KTM agreed to pay for parts and maybe some labour. Dealer says KTM will have stock of parts in late August, maybe arriving at the dealer in mid September). Love the bike, but seriously that’s gonna be 4 months of registration and insurance costs for no bike. Ready to race, more like ready to waste.
@@johnDukemaster Mine were only very lightly worn, but clearly showing evidence they'd qualify for the replacement, hence my dealer chased KTM on it immediately. Good thing, I just got the bike back last week, well ahead of what KTM forecast. Confirmed it now has the wider 890 followers.
Update: bike repaired and returned, only paid for the standard service which I agreed with the dealer to do prior to the KTM claim... to keep them happy. Also, for those in the same boat, make sure you get the 890 followers, which are wider... I'm sure this is part of KTM's prescribed fix, but it for whatever reason you're doing this on your own dime, don't use the original 790 followers. With that said, my dealer said he's had several other bikes through more than once, so I expect another wave of saga as these bikes approach 40-50k kms; he did praise me for doing my own oil service above and beyond the prescribed one (I do oil and filter about every 5,000km) and I ride that bitch HARD on the regular. Don't know if the oil quality and freshness has a strong impact on the cam wear, but I'm sure it doesn't hurt.... again mine was 22k kms of very hard riding and had very minor signs of wear. Good luck!
KTM owners are a very weird bunch. I own a KTM 790 Adventure R, I purchased it new and it's had numerous issues including the camshafts failing at 28,000km which was $6000 AUD worth of parts and months waiting with no timescale given. I am absolutely bashing KTM, I don't care how good the bike is when it works, I don't care about the history of KTM, KTM's handling of this entire issue and every interaction I've had with them has been a disaster. I hold no brand royalty, KTM don't care about me as an owner, what do I owe KTM? I would of happily purchased KTM's in the future as the performance is good when they work, however KTM have insured I'll likely never buy a KTM again and I'll very happily share my experience and criticize KTM for it as it's completely, true, factual and justified as a owner of the bike who has had issue after issue. Not quite sure why KTM brand royalists will defend a brand for genuine criticism when the brand does not show the same level of support to it's customers and treat them with contempt.
@@SomeRandoInternetPoster thanks for sharing, I used to own a automotive shop and had similar experience, had a customer that owned 3 range rovers, one was his, one his wife’s and one spare. They were my customers for 6 years before they moved and pretty much all the time I had at least ONE in my shop, he literally just kept swapping them out. And asking him why wouldn’t he sell them and get something else he sayd he just loves them to much when they work. I agree with you, I have several motorcycles from different brands, so no brand loyalty, only bike I do like and don’t let me down. Thanks for watching!!!
Well done. Keep up the good work. Far to many of these bikes are faulty. Yes they are brilliant bikes but far to many cam problems showing up. That is why I got rid of mine.
@@ianblomeyer6278 thank you so much!! Really appreciate it!!! Let’s hope Ktm makes this right. There just released a press statement and also are stating on the FB pages that they will make it right. Fingers crossed 🤞
KTM is shipping new bikes with cams in them....but can't keep replacement parts in stock. People have reported missing most of their riding seasons waiting for parts.
I sold my 22’ 890 Adventure solely for the cam issue. Had mine checked out, luckily they were good at the 11K service. Made the decision to go to a T7. I’m keeping my 501, just because it is so lightweight and I’m not getting any younger.
@@pinkiewerewolf it’s said the whole cam deal. Otherwise those bikes are great Machines. I ride a t7 myself just for the simplicity. Thanks for watching!!
@@FMC-20244 It was actually the perfect bike for me. I won’t tolerate a company not taking care of known issues. I had one of the first runs of the Pan America Special. That bike left me stranded too many times. The MOCO wouldn’t listen to any feedback regarding the electronics that let it down but they did buy it back from me for a good price. So they took care of me in the end. H-D also didn’t bring the 975 Pan Am out that they were set to bring to the public. KTM/Husqvarna and their dealers need to fix the cam issue and the TFT issue if they still build up moisture on the inside, also make it right with the current owners.
Same...sold my 901 Expedition too for the same reason. Too much money on a bike to worry about cam failures like this. Great bike but not a long term bike. The 500/501 engines are great proven engines!!
I have a 2020 KTM 790 Adventure and had to replace the entire motor one year into ownership. KTM did not support it and I had to pay the entire bill. the local dealer was fucking amazing and waved the labor but it took nearly one year to get the drive line parts from KTM to rebuild the bike. 11 months almost to the day it died. I had put 12K miles on it changing the oil and filters every 3K miles. I planned to keep the bike forever but now with 90 miles on the new motor it is getting sold.
Fella, you are doing a great job highlighting this issue. I've seen other fellas in the UK reporting having the same problem but you're first to report that's it a oil feed problem not the hardening of the cam lobes which makes us all know what the problem is, why didn't KTM let us know? I love my 790 and really don't want the get rid of it but at the same time, how's going to want to buy one or a dealership won't one as a part exchange. Big problems for owners but really appriciate your concern and help👍.
Wanted to buy a midsize adv bike after I totalled my Super Tenere. Studied and researched the category really well. Hands down. Toureg 660 best handling and pkg for the money. Still bought a Tenere 700. Lmao.
@@gerralstephens2833 sorry to hear about your super tenere, I love my T7, there is nothing on the market at the moment that could take its place. Thanks for watching!!!
@@georgedermitzakis4315 thank you!!!! No one knows for sure, it’s 1- bad camshafts, 2- the oil jets getting clogged. I almost thinks it’s the oiling issue because most times when we see a bad cam it’s only 1 or 2 lobes that are worn. Never really the entire camshaft. Thanks for watching!!
As an owner of a duke 790 (still under warranty) I'm wondering if adding oil additives will help or I should only use high quality oil and never ever add anything else?
@@LouisPhilippeLebouthillier I don’t have the answer to that, but I would always recommend the highest quality oil, specially on a high performance engine. Thanks for watching!!!
Check out "Dirty Garage Guy" latest video where he has diagnosed the problem with the oil feed to the cams - th-cam.com/video/h6O-VPQGsKI/w-d-xo.html Very interesting manufacturing issue has been identified, meaning the cams aren't getting the oil they need, regardless of the oil additives etc.
I’ve put 155 hours on my 2024 TE 300. It has been great, only needing tires, brake pads, gas, and oil. I expect 250-350 hours out of a top end riding hard enduro terrain.
Open valve clearence to 0.25mm on intake and 0.30-0.40mm because valves tighten up during first 1-5km causing valves to have too small clearence casuing oil film to be wiped from camshafts causing camshaft failures... Best Regards!
2019 790Adv owner here. This is a very shitty situation for owners with fcuked engines, very frustrating I’m sure. My bike has been trouble free so far… Hopefully not jinxing myself 🤨 Hopefully KTM come to the party and help rectify this situation, fingers crossed!
Same here. The engine is running flawlessly after north of 30.000 km. Other issues came up, but nothing catastrophic so far. Maybe we're just the lucky few. 😂
KTM company is terrible and I Love my 20 790 AdV.R. The cam chain tensioner broke...ordered it 2 months ago and still not here. They are saying Mid August. 3 months with no ride ..ridiculous. Good look getting camshafts.😮 Going Japanese next bike . Ktm is losing my business 😢
@@tricgix2949 it’s a sad deal what we have here. Everyone loves the bikes, and yet so many people are getting frustrated with the issues and long waiting times. Thanks for watching!!!
how this issue isn't reported to the NTSB and becomes a "recall" is beyond me, KTM should be buying these back as lemon law units etc. I had the 790 on my list of next models to buy, after doing research, I'm glad I didn't. And to those that are saying Husqvarna and Gas Gas are all the same, they are not, they use different parts, different designs, different staff, etc. The only common dominator is that Pierrer Mobilty owns the brands.
@@georgeh.5480 I’ll agree with you about how is this issue not been taken seriously by Ktm and making right by the customer. But fact is that the 3 brands mentioned share A LOT of the same parts. If you compare just for one example the Ktm 690, husky 701 and gas gas 700 you will see the the frame is the same, bottom end engine is the same and tons of engine Management is the same. Yes they have different designs to make them look different and have different options and suspension. But the core bike is identical. Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 what baffles me is that some dealers can get the cams approved under warranty while other dealers are telling riders and consumers they have to eat the cost and people are just paying it. I don’t care if the new cams are an updated part number or not. This is a flawed design and it’s been recorded numerous times. KTM needs to do right by their dealers and riders. It’s keeping me from pulling the trigger on a new Norden.
@@georgeh.5480 I can not confirm this but I believe that’s it a huge hassle for the dealers to get this through warranty. They 1 don’t care, 2 just want the customer to pay for it and be done with it. No Paperwork, no waiting for headquarters to get paid etc.
I bought a new 350 exc-f a few years back and one month in the cam lobes were all scraped and burnt. After discovering it I took it back to the dealer the day after the warranty was up. Ktm had them remove the cam and sand the cam lobes smooth and re-install it. Literally shit I would have done when I was 13 years old, broke, and riding 1980s 3 wheelers lol. Sold that bike. I've had about 7 new ktms over the years but almost all 2 strokes. I ride Ktms 90% of the time, but I wouldn't buy another 4 stroke from Ktm group. Especially if I'm not racing it. They're akin to a high performance version of a Chinese bike, like Gio. Plenty of fish in the sea.
My 1090R was solid, my 890 R ain’t. Engine is simply not built to last. Everybody in the business knows that so when I tried to swap it for brands I got terrible quotes.
Looks KTM presses those cam lobes onto a shaft instead of machining them out of one piece of billet , same old cost cutting problems they’ve always had. owners have defended these crooks for ever ,but KTM arrogance still have them ignoring owners dedication and are still knocking back warranty’s, there’s a good video explaining it called ‘KTM cheese’ .. they could even be made from Swiss cheese to keep them in line with European manufacturing practices.
@@garthlundquist3623 honestly I think that would have been only half the solution, pretty much 90% of cams run directly on the head these days with no issues, it’s what ever material/ follower design they have. Thanks for watching!!!
@@jefflambert8603 At least they admitted they f'ed up with the oil pump, starving the cams of oil at low revs. Great sounding engines though. I was VERY close to buying a VF500F as a replacement for my '91GSX-R 250 back in '98. Because of financial circumstances, I ended up with an '85 CB250RS instead though (my second). I sold my last bike ('84 GSX250ES) back in '06, but I'm starting to get that itch again, so as it is right now, I will be buying a Ninja 500 KRT SE next spring. :)
@@jefflambert8603 I saw that video and he has a theory there. But honestly without the 3d design from the factory to really analyze it… I think it remains a theory. Thanks for watching!!!
@@chriswest2290 honestly I don’t have the answer at the moment. Different theories out there, no enough oil from clogged oil jets, bad quality camshafts, oil getting to hot…. And so on.
@FMC-20244 yes. From what I've researched. Ktm have only put a small oil screen in the new heads. Not really a fix. I hope you're lucky. They're great bikes apart from the issue
Sadly this is all the result of KTM trying to cut costs and manufacturing in China where their metallurgy is simply not that good. I believe all the KTM 790 and 890 engines are manufactured in China. C F MOTO (Chinese motorcycle company) actually uses these KTM motors in their own bikes
@@MJPaine1 this particular bike is a 2019 wich we believe was still made in Austria. I think last year they started manufacturing in China 🇨🇳. But still sad to see that such a high end company has these issues. And since they fired half the staff I don’t think it will get any better. Thanks for watching!!!
There’s no context here just that the cams failed , no history of use or service no reasons or even speculation half the vid just taking about nothing .
Sorry so many people's self-esteem is based in the reputation of a corporation that they feel aligned with. KTM as a company is horrible. I had to pay for my own cams and followers after their poor QC and/or engineering.
In all honesty .... KTM deserve to be bashed for this disaster of a situation. There is clearly some inherent issue within the LC8c engine that give it a 50/50 chance of being fine or being a costly and infuriating timebomb. The way KTM have decided to handle it all is just throwing fuel on the fire. Have a little respect for your customers at least!!! I bought a 790 Duke brand new in 2019 .. it didn't even make it 14 miles home from the dealership before developing an oil leak. By the time the warranty period was over I'd made a dozen claims for repeated oil leaks, cracked front brake reservoir and rear shock damping circuit failure. Ended up trading it in a few months ago before the whole 'cam saga' gained much publicity. Went back to a trusted Japanese brand, bought a second hand, 2 year old Honda with almost 10K miles on it and it's been perfect and faultless so far. KTMs are great when they work properly ... it's just you genuinely never know if it's going to work properly or not every single time you hit the starter ... cross yer fingers and hope for the best ... 🤷♂
@@MotoGoato that’s how many describe the 790/890. Hit or miss, when they work they are amazing, but you don’t know if they work every time you turn the key and hit the button. It’s sad that they still have these kind of issues these days, specially since the Japanese bikes are just known for they reliability. Thanks for watching!!!!
Its all clockwork. Delicate. High strung.
@@KyleReese-vt8bo thanks for watching!!!
Your oil jets are getting clogged. It's either dirty oil clogging the filter or how certain branded filters behave with the motor. For whatever reason, the oiling system is using its bypass around the filter, and debris is clogging the jet. Your cam is getting worn down because it is too hot due to poor lubrication, which is the result of a clogged oil jet. You can see the clogged jet not working if you remove the valve cover and crank the motor (w/o fuel). The other jets will shoot generous amounts of oil, the problem one won't. Replace the problem oil jet when you replace the cam. Also, crank the motor to ensure the new jet is working. Most importantly, change your oil and filter together, only use OEM oil filters or the exact equivalent if you can find the manufacturer. Change oil and filter religiously - at or before mileage. Enjoy your famously high-maintenance bike with one less worry!
@@LGHTSPD675 agreed!!! It’s just a strange system they have. This particular bike was bought from the original owner ( 71 years old ) with every oil change and service done by ktm ( all the recipes and documentation is all there ). So if the dealer uses all the right filters and oil this shouldn’t happen. Also noted that the OG owner got his service a few hundred miles earlier than required. Thanks for watching!!!
KTM 790R 2020 owner; at 22,000km with no symptoms I took then bike in to have cams inspected (start of May) and a service (which I’ve done myself since out of warranty but wanted to keep the KTM logs happy), turns out the cams and followers are toast. KTM agreed to pay for parts and maybe some labour. Dealer says KTM will have stock of parts in late August, maybe arriving at the dealer in mid September). Love the bike, but seriously that’s gonna be 4 months of registration and insurance costs for no bike. Ready to race, more like ready to waste.
@@martyjames8317 sorry to hear that!! So many of us are going through the same issue. We call it “ ready to replace “. Thanks for watching!!!
It surprises me that cams and followers are toast without symptoms. How can that be? No noise? No lack of power? Strange!
4 months!! Man if that happened here in norway that’s the entire season aka entire year of riding/ownership gone!! Wtf!!
@@johnDukemaster Mine were only very lightly worn, but clearly showing evidence they'd qualify for the replacement, hence my dealer chased KTM on it immediately. Good thing, I just got the bike back last week, well ahead of what KTM forecast. Confirmed it now has the wider 890 followers.
Update: bike repaired and returned, only paid for the standard service which I agreed with the dealer to do prior to the KTM claim... to keep them happy. Also, for those in the same boat, make sure you get the 890 followers, which are wider... I'm sure this is part of KTM's prescribed fix, but it for whatever reason you're doing this on your own dime, don't use the original 790 followers. With that said, my dealer said he's had several other bikes through more than once, so I expect another wave of saga as these bikes approach 40-50k kms; he did praise me for doing my own oil service above and beyond the prescribed one (I do oil and filter about every 5,000km) and I ride that bitch HARD on the regular. Don't know if the oil quality and freshness has a strong impact on the cam wear, but I'm sure it doesn't hurt.... again mine was 22k kms of very hard riding and had very minor signs of wear. Good luck!
KTM owners are a very weird bunch. I own a KTM 790 Adventure R, I purchased it new and it's had numerous issues including the camshafts failing at 28,000km which was $6000 AUD worth of parts and months waiting with no timescale given. I am absolutely bashing KTM, I don't care how good the bike is when it works, I don't care about the history of KTM, KTM's handling of this entire issue and every interaction I've had with them has been a disaster. I hold no brand royalty, KTM don't care about me as an owner, what do I owe KTM? I would of happily purchased KTM's in the future as the performance is good when they work, however KTM have insured I'll likely never buy a KTM again and I'll very happily share my experience and criticize KTM for it as it's completely, true, factual and justified as a owner of the bike who has had issue after issue. Not quite sure why KTM brand royalists will defend a brand for genuine criticism when the brand does not show the same level of support to it's customers and treat them with contempt.
@@SomeRandoInternetPoster thanks for sharing, I used to own a automotive shop and had similar experience, had a customer that owned 3 range rovers, one was his, one his wife’s and one spare. They were my customers for 6 years before they moved and pretty much all the time I had at least ONE in my shop, he literally just kept swapping them out. And asking him why wouldn’t he sell them and get something else he sayd he just loves them to much when they work. I agree with you, I have several motorcycles from different brands, so no brand loyalty, only bike I do like and don’t let me down. Thanks for watching!!!
1090R best bike.
@@Crust2013 For what. Killing young 'influencers' and 'rappers'?
@@KyleReese-vt8bo killing the trails.....
@@Crust2013 It's too light and powerful lol.
A rude phone call?
Yep, I can confirm that's the KTM dealership experience!
@@pauln6803 sad to hear that this is the general dealership experience. Thanks for watching!!!
Thanks for no music and getting to the point.
@@tomg6284 thanks for watching!!!
Well done. Keep up the good work. Far to many of these bikes are faulty. Yes they are brilliant bikes but far to many cam problems showing up. That is why I got rid of mine.
@@ianblomeyer6278 thank you so much!! Really appreciate it!!! Let’s hope Ktm makes this right. There just released a press statement and also are stating on the FB pages that they will make it right. Fingers crossed 🤞
KTM is shipping new bikes with cams in them....but can't keep replacement parts in stock. People have reported missing most of their riding seasons waiting for parts.
I sold my 22’ 890 Adventure solely for the cam issue. Had mine checked out, luckily they were good at the 11K service. Made the decision to go to a T7.
I’m keeping my 501, just because it is so lightweight and I’m not getting any younger.
@@pinkiewerewolf it’s said the whole cam deal. Otherwise those bikes are great Machines. I ride a t7 myself just for the simplicity. Thanks for watching!!
@@FMC-20244 It was actually the perfect bike for me. I won’t tolerate a company not taking care of known issues.
I had one of the first runs of the Pan America Special. That bike left me stranded too many times. The MOCO wouldn’t listen to any feedback regarding the electronics that let it down but they did buy it back from me for a good price. So they took care of me in the end.
H-D also didn’t bring the 975 Pan Am out that they were set to bring to the public.
KTM/Husqvarna and their dealers need to fix the cam issue and the TFT issue if they still build up moisture on the inside, also make it right with the current owners.
Same...sold my 901 Expedition too for the same reason. Too much money on a bike to worry about cam failures like this. Great bike but not a long term bike. The 500/501 engines are great proven engines!!
@@adventuristnw2321 the 500/501 are close to bulletproof!!! Thanks for watching
Can’t imagine selling a great bike at a loss because of an issue it doesn’t have after 11k miles 😂
I have a 2020 KTM 790 Adventure and had to replace the entire motor one year into ownership. KTM did not support it and I had to pay the entire bill. the local dealer was fucking amazing and waved the labor but it took nearly one year to get the drive line parts from KTM to rebuild the bike. 11 months almost to the day it died. I had put 12K miles on it changing the oil and filters every 3K miles. I planned to keep the bike forever but now with 90 miles on the new motor it is getting sold.
@@brianboylan6498 wow that’s insane!! So sorry to hear that!! Thanks for sharing and watching!!!
How can they do that when the power train warranty is 2 years!
Fella, you are doing a great job highlighting this issue. I've seen other fellas in the UK reporting having the same problem but you're first to report that's it a oil feed problem not the hardening of the cam lobes which makes us all know what the problem is, why didn't KTM let us know? I love my 790 and really don't want the get rid of it but at the same time, how's going to want to buy one or a dealership won't one as a part exchange. Big problems for owners but really appriciate your concern and help👍.
@@daraghhenderson1113 thank you so much!! Really appreciated!! Thanks for watching!!!
Austrian globalist liberals run KTM. Turn to the land of the rising sun for your wheeled horse.
Wanted to buy a midsize adv bike after I totalled my Super Tenere. Studied and researched the category really well. Hands down. Toureg 660 best handling and pkg for the money. Still bought a Tenere 700. Lmao.
@@gerralstephens2833 sorry to hear about your super tenere, I love my T7, there is nothing on the market at the moment that could take its place. Thanks for watching!!!
DesertX or ... 450MT
The problem is that the manufacture will only pay the dealer a fixed fee for warranty work, this is why the dealer never like a warranty job.
@@cpuuk I agree with you!! Let’s see what happens. Thanks for watching!!!
In the USA manufacturers have to pay the normal dealership hourly rate for warrantee work. Not so in other countries.
That 1976 CB750 Tank in the back brings back good memories.
@@zekd amazing bikes!!! I had one and sold it, looking for another one!! Thanks for watching!!!
Hey body thanks for sharing your experience love from Montreal
@@mahdavimail hey, thanks for watching!!!!
Hey there great job on the video!
You have any idea in what have caused the issue?? It is very strange…🙄
@@georgedermitzakis4315 thank you!!!! No one knows for sure, it’s 1- bad camshafts, 2- the oil jets getting clogged. I almost thinks it’s the oiling issue because most times when we see a bad cam it’s only 1 or 2 lobes that are worn. Never really the entire camshaft. Thanks for watching!!
As an owner of a duke 790 (still under warranty) I'm wondering if adding oil additives will help or I should only use high quality oil and never ever add anything else?
@@LouisPhilippeLebouthillier I don’t have the answer to that, but I would always recommend the highest quality oil, specially on a high performance engine. Thanks for watching!!!
Check out "Dirty Garage Guy" latest video where he has diagnosed the problem with the oil feed to the cams - th-cam.com/video/h6O-VPQGsKI/w-d-xo.html
Very interesting manufacturing issue has been identified, meaning the cams aren't getting the oil they need, regardless of the oil additives etc.
I’ve put 155 hours on my 2024 TE 300. It has been great, only needing tires, brake pads, gas, and oil. I expect 250-350 hours out of a top end riding hard enduro terrain.
@@garthlundquist3623 that’s where I’m heading with mine!!! Absolutely amazing bikes!! Thanks for watching!!!
Open valve clearence to 0.25mm on intake and 0.30-0.40mm because valves tighten up during first 1-5km causing valves to have too small clearence casuing oil film to be wiped from camshafts causing camshaft failures...
Best Regards!
As a mechanic,i can say that they aren't really good on their warranties,or part supply.
@@bikeserv you are absolutely right!!! Thanks for watching!!!
2019 790Adv owner here. This is a very shitty situation for owners with fcuked engines, very frustrating I’m sure. My bike has been trouble free so far… Hopefully not jinxing myself 🤨 Hopefully KTM come to the party and help rectify this situation, fingers crossed!
@@alphonsvanmaanen really glad to hear that your bike doesn’t have this issue!!! Fingers crossed 🤞 it stays that way!!! Thanks for watching!!!
Same here. The engine is running flawlessly after north of 30.000 km. Other issues came up, but nothing catastrophic so far. Maybe we're just the lucky few. 😂
Buddy i had no issues at all. That wad my bike. I checked because I was paranoid. Better off knowing I would check
Also had an issue with a 790 Adventure and have sent the details with pictures per email because that’s too much text for here.
@@SherKhan-b1kes I just read it and responded to it. Thank you for reaching out!!! And thanks for watching!!
It's going to be a long drawn out ideal. Hopefully it will be sorted before winter😊
Fingers crossed!
TE250I, different kettle of fish to 790 . I have a TE250I and it is a brilliant bike but the only KTM branded bike I would own.
@@andrewberg2361 thanks for watching!!!
KTM company is terrible and I Love my 20 790 AdV.R. The cam chain tensioner broke...ordered it 2 months ago and still not here. They are saying Mid August. 3 months with no ride ..ridiculous. Good look getting camshafts.😮 Going Japanese next bike . Ktm is losing my business 😢
@@tricgix2949 it’s a sad deal what we have here. Everyone loves the bikes, and yet so many people are getting frustrated with the issues and long waiting times. Thanks for watching!!!
Traded my 790 for a 800de. I miss the ktm’s power, but not the unreliability. Had a lot of wiring problems.
@@8andsk835 many people are switching over to other brands. It’s a sad situation. Hopefully ktm figures that out soon. Thanks for watching!!!
What year bikes are affected ?
how this issue isn't reported to the NTSB and becomes a "recall" is beyond me, KTM should be buying these back as lemon law units etc. I had the 790 on my list of next models to buy, after doing research, I'm glad I didn't. And to those that are saying Husqvarna and Gas Gas are all the same, they are not, they use different parts, different designs, different staff, etc. The only common dominator is that Pierrer Mobilty owns the brands.
@@georgeh.5480 I’ll agree with you about how is this issue not been taken seriously by Ktm and making right by the customer. But fact is that the 3 brands mentioned share A LOT of the same parts. If you compare just for one example the Ktm 690, husky 701 and gas gas 700 you will see the the frame is the same, bottom end engine is the same and tons of engine Management is the same. Yes they have different designs to make them look different and have different options and suspension. But the core bike is identical. Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 what baffles me is that some dealers can get the cams approved under warranty while other dealers are telling riders and consumers they have to eat the cost and people are just paying it. I don’t care if the new cams are an updated part number or not. This is a flawed design and it’s been recorded numerous times. KTM needs to do right by their dealers and riders. It’s keeping me from pulling the trigger on a new Norden.
@@georgeh.5480 I can not confirm this but I believe that’s it a huge hassle for the dealers to get this through warranty. They 1 don’t care, 2 just want the customer to pay for it and be done with it. No Paperwork, no waiting for headquarters to get paid etc.
What year bikes does this concern with the camshaft
@@MichaelPhillips-wf9nc so far we know 2019 - 2023. The 24s are still to new to know. Thanks for watching!!!
Sadly TH-cam is littered with horror stories regarding KTM..
@@TriggerRidesEverything yes sadly true. Thanks for watching!!!
I bought a new 350 exc-f a few years back and one month in the cam lobes were all scraped and burnt. After discovering it I took it back to the dealer the day after the warranty was up. Ktm had them remove the cam and sand the cam lobes smooth and re-install it. Literally shit I would have done when I was 13 years old, broke, and riding 1980s 3 wheelers lol. Sold that bike. I've had about 7 new ktms over the years but almost all 2 strokes. I ride Ktms 90% of the time, but I wouldn't buy another 4 stroke from Ktm group. Especially if I'm not racing it. They're akin to a high performance version of a Chinese bike, like Gio. Plenty of fish in the sea.
My 1090R was solid, my 890 R ain’t. Engine is simply not built to last. Everybody in the business knows that so when I tried to swap it for brands I got terrible quotes.
@@Calbertone at this point dealers don’t even want to take the 790/890 in on trades. Thanks for watching!!!
ktm doesn't really fix anything. they just release new things with new faults
@@otlndsh let’s hope they do find a solution for this issue, if not they will loose a lot of future business. Thanks for watching!!!!
yes, adding to the bunch of old issues.
@@VMAdventures88 it’s a sad situation with those bike. Thanks for watching!!!
New head? What about all that metal that would have gone through the engine. He needs a whole new engine.
Cam failure means metal in the engine. A new head and cams won't fix the early bottom end failure.
@@MagnumMuscle1000 you got that right!! It’s an overall bad deal!!! Thanks for watching!!!
Looks KTM presses those cam lobes onto a shaft instead of machining them out of one piece of billet , same old cost cutting problems they’ve always had.
owners have defended these crooks for ever ,but KTM arrogance still have them ignoring owners dedication and are still knocking back warranty’s, there’s a good video explaining it called ‘KTM cheese’ .. they could even be made from Swiss cheese to keep them in line with European manufacturing practices.
@@queenslander954 it’s a shame!! Thanks for watching!!!
The 790 head should have been designed with replaceable cam bearings. Running the cams directly in the aluminum head is an improper design.
@@garthlundquist3623 honestly I think that would have been only half the solution, pretty much 90% of cams run directly on the head these days with no issues, it’s what ever material/ follower design they have. Thanks for watching!!!
Honda VF-owners: First time?
Honda Fixed Customer VF Bikes
no Arguments..
@@jefflambert8603 At least they admitted they f'ed up with the oil pump, starving the cams of oil at low revs.
Great sounding engines though. I was VERY close to buying a VF500F as a replacement for my '91GSX-R 250 back in '98. Because of financial circumstances, I ended up with an '85 CB250RS instead though (my second).
I sold my last bike ('84 GSX250ES) back in '06, but I'm starting to get that itch again, so as it is right now, I will be buying a Ninja 500 KRT SE next spring. :)
Great vid. Maybe stop saying 'you guys' so much 👍
@@bobz1736 thanks for the input, still new to the TH-cam game and usually not a public speaker so I get nervous. Thanks for watching!!!
Dirty Garage Guy Took a 790 engine
apart He Claims its the Oil Feed
Channels that are the Cause of
oil Starvation to the Cams the
Problem
@@jefflambert8603 I saw that video and he has a theory there. But honestly without the 3d design from the factory to really analyze it… I think it remains a theory. Thanks for watching!!!
It appears KTM is falling apart like a cheap suit. By the way I have owned KTM’s and think they are/were great
@@johnschulz7209 same here!! Thanks for watching!!!
KTM is going under .
@@RT-tn4ry sadly I see it the same way. Thanks for watching!!!
I'll never buy KTM
@@relevation0 In all fairness they are not all bad. Some models are proven bulletproof. Thanks for watching!!!
These the engines made in china?
@@KyleReese-vt8bo this one is not. I believe the 24 models are. Thanks for watching!!!
The new head will need replacing about in 12k miles
@@chriswest2290 why is that? Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 will the same issue not occur again and again. With the oil starvation fault.
@@chriswest2290 honestly I don’t have the answer at the moment. Different theories out there, no enough oil from clogged oil jets, bad quality camshafts, oil getting to hot…. And so on.
@FMC-20244 yes. From what I've researched. Ktm have only put a small oil screen in the new heads. Not really a fix. I hope you're lucky. They're great bikes apart from the issue
@@chriswest2290 I agree 💯
Familiar story it seems🤔
@@skts2610 sad story. Thanks for watching!!!
Sadly this is all the result of KTM trying to cut costs and manufacturing in China where their metallurgy is simply not that good. I believe all the KTM 790 and 890 engines are manufactured in China. C F MOTO (Chinese motorcycle company) actually uses these KTM motors in their own bikes
@@MJPaine1 this particular bike is a 2019 wich we believe was still made in Austria. I think last year they started manufacturing in China 🇨🇳. But still sad to see that such a high end company has these issues. And since they fired half the staff I don’t think it will get any better. Thanks for watching!!!
There’s no context here just that the cams failed , no history of use or service no reasons or even speculation half the vid just taking about nothing .
@@ianparkes2538 there is a video previous to that one. Thanks for watching
Sorry so many people's self-esteem is based in the reputation of a corporation that they feel aligned with. KTM as a company is horrible. I had to pay for my own cams and followers after their poor QC and/or engineering.
@@RatBike750 sorry to hear that, sadly so many others are in the same boat. We can only hope Ktm will fix that issue soon. Thanks for watching!!!