@@chrispack3131 keep in mind that the affected bikes are the parallel twin engines ones, 790-890-901. If you go bigger to the V-twin engines they are reported to be very reliable. Thanks for watching!!!
I just sold my KTM 790 Adventure S, 2021, 42000 km, that I was using as a travel bike. Because I don’t ride off road anymore I traded it in for a Yamaha Tracer 7 GT with the CP2 engine. I just don’t like the clutch handeling, to brutal, surely on a cold engine, and 20HP less of course. Very vivid engine that makes way less motor noise than my orange bike, who sounded nearly as a Ducati. The Yamaha dealer has an old KTM mechanic working for him who’s camshafts on his 790 Duke were eaten after 7000km…He checked my camshafts and they had some running marks, but no damage to be worried about. I had an extended warranty and I mailed KTM who responded that they recognized the problem that is caused by clogged oil jets on the cams in some cases or bad maintenance (their words). They told me that warranty is no problem if the bike is maintained by a KTM dealer. I am not a very sporty rider who raves above 8000, 9000 rpm’s. I am a long distance rider, riding around 4000 to 8000 km each trip through Europe, on small roads. I wanted a light, economic and powerful bike and my KTM responded 100% to that. But reliability is the most important thing. All those worried and disappointed KTM owners made me trade in my bike after I had for the third time a water hose who was leaking at the thermostat housing on my last trip to France. I think KTM should offer a cam inspection on a recall, but they don’t. They wait until things break down. The problem in my opinion is that not every bike has it, so they can’t find and resolve the problem their self. I was in the point buying a KTM 890 SMT, but to manny doubts made me chose a Yamaha with 5 years of warranty here in Europe and 3000 euros cheaper. These are the troubles I had with my KTM, covered by warranty: stoplight sensor broke after 1500km, water hoses leaking several times, changed the clamps, but still have to keep an eye on them, immobilizer failure and rear shock blown at 25000km, but still, I loved my bike. It was my third KTM after two 990 Adventure’s who had some problems too (one water pump and a head gasket), but I loved those characteristic bikes. I have a good befriended KTM dealer who is disappointed of course, but what to do else when you loose your confidence in the brand.
@@ChocoBelge you have a good point, if you loose confidence in the brand you have no choice than to move on to something else. I really hope ktm comes up with something that makes us go and buy them again. Thanks for watching!!!
@@davidmallia628 that is absolutely correct, once joe gets his bike back we plan on checking the cams again every 1k miles to see if the new head fixed the issue or if we still deal with this. Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 fingers crossed, but it shouldn't be that way. The cause of the problem should be positively, without doubt, identified. Then the fix should preclude any such, same, problem. Cheers!
Also: the flow of oil (ml/min) is given by the rpms of the oil pump. So if you open up the jets, you will get more flow through them (and yes: probably not spraying the oil where it should be) but also get LESS oil to other places in the engine, where it is needed, so creating problems in other bearings!
Many years ago Honda made an engine that was prone to cam failures and it dented their reputation. Their response was to build a new engine which many say was even over-engineered, to address the problem and restore confidence. This was the V4 used in the VFR's. KTM seem to prefer to avoid, deny, and refuse to take responsibility. Not a confidence inspiring brand.
KTM had always have reliability issues , even while it was build in Europe.....and now in China - you can only imagine ..... I am not going near them any more.....
Great video, I've watched much content on this subject and am sceptical as to a single cause of the cam lobe oil starvation. I think tolerance stack up is why this is happening and is why it's such a nightmare for KTM to deal with. It makes the issue unpredictable from bike to bike and complicates diagnosing what to do to fix it other than replacement of the entire engine. Whether KTM have trapped the proper production tolerance issues in order to prevent recurrence is unknown as they're not being transparent at all. The 990 has probably not been in use long enough to know whether it is affected and is a massive red flag for me as someone considering the RCR 990.
I like your rpm theory! I have a 2019 KTM 790R which experienced the camshaft issue. Long sordid story but I ended up replacing the engine with a 2020 Duke 790 salvage. I have hundreds of hours noodling this topic and strongly suspect the oil delivery system. Two possible causes… 1) in my case I’m pretty sure my oil nozzle got plugged, possibly due to a tiny metal particle, possibly from quick shifting. Unclogging this thing required a wire about the thickness of a human hair. 2) My wear occurred at the #2 cylinder exhaust valve which may be at the far end of the oil delivery system and therefore may receive the least amount of pressure. It would be good to track which cam lobes are being affected. But back to your theory. Before discovering my issue, I’d say I probably babied the bike and did not tend to wrap it out…i.e. sometimes tried to get the most range out of it by keeping the rpms just above “lugging it.” I have gotten 300 miles out of it. So you might be right. Such riding could have killed it.
@@dwb3450 so far it’s just a theory, but like said I have heard many riders saying they pushing the bikes hard and everything is good. Thanks for watching!!!
I was just about to pull the trigger on a brand new KTM 890 R, because they were giving a great deal on them at my local KTM dealer. Now I know why! I guess I'll keep looking, maybe a Suzuki V-Strom.
They did NOT move "the whole production to China". Just some models. The problem seems to be bad design of the oil flows. Therefore, just exchanging the camshafts will not necessarily solve the issue. Also, the bad design probably comes from Mattighofen, not China.
@@Amerigo73 yes, the analysis done by the dirt garage guy shows that the galleys drilled in the head to bring oil to the jets are misaligned and so restrict the flow. Had they drilled those more precisely or quality-controlled them after drilling, the want be a problem. If that’s actually the case, then it’s an execution/manufacturing problem not a design one.
@@miro_s Maybe yes. This would shed a very different light on things. If that's the root cause, it would mean something entirely different than a flawed design from Mattighofen. Anyway, not replying to customers and stating problems as nonexistent are amplifying the issues. All problems are always "never heard of this before" and KTM isn't the only brand trying to pull this off. It usually ends when the American market / NHTSA wants a recall.
Subscribed. Really want to hear about this first hand, waiting for the interview. Sold my 901 six months ago, before I heard of any problems. I was lucky.
This whole issue scared me away from buying a very nicely setup 2021 890 Rally. I picked up a 2021 701 instead, which is a great bike but I wish the 890's didn't have this problem, as that rally was really nice...
46k miles on my 2020 duke 790 and never even checked valve clearances. Always sounded like a bag of nails. Just ride hard and what will be will be. Nothing lasts forever.
@@leecunningham9759 honestly I’ve heard from few people that claim they ride them pretty hard and have no issues!!! I’m looking into that at the moment. Thanks for watching!!!
Hello! First of all, I live on the border with Austria in Germany. 10 minutes from me is a development center of Pierer Mobility 😉😉 Many people write here that the solution would be to build the motorcycles in Austria again and not in China. I am telling you now very clearly and unambiguously!! The problem of poor quality is not the production location, but the quality of the parts that are used. If the parts are simply bad, it doesn't matter whether they are installed by Austrian or Chinese hands. Proof of this...?? Years ago I wanted to buy a 790 Adventure (Made in Austria!!) and the KTM dealer openly listed all the problems for me. Everything was there, engine... electrics... workmanship... every component was affected. It should be clear that I didn't buy a KTM... the problem is Pierer himself. He only thinks about profit at all costs. Regardless of whether the quality suffers. For years it worked well, now the bubble has burst and Pierer is being served the bill. I am excited to see what happens with KTM in the future. Things are not looking good at the moment... Greetings from Bavaria 😉😉
@@uglybiketours4344 thanks for your insight!!! Glad to hear that your dealer gave you a heads up. Here in the USA 🇺🇸 they all lie so they can sell the bikes on the floor. Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 believe me 😉😉 most dealers here are no different than in the USA. I was just lucky. 👍🏻 but it's getting harder and harder to hide the truth. It's also getting harder and harder for dealers to deny problems. many KTM dealers are extremely angry with KTM. they have problems with customers and KTM has no customer-friendly solution. not a nice situation 😎 an example... the problems with the dashboard are many years old. KTM has not changed anything in the series, KTM initially replaced things under warranty and as a goodwill gesture. it simply became too expensive and too much. so KTM gave its dealers instructions on in which cases they can refuse a warranty straight away with the customer. where there can be moisture in the display... no warranty and where if it is replaced. A KTM dealer was so angry about this that he published this instruction from KTM on his homepage with the note... Dear customers, if you are not satisfied with this then please send an email to... KTM Germany (including email address) 😂😂 many dealers are really angry. Greetings from Bavaria 😉😉
I recently, dropped by a dealer to try the 890 ADV ( 2024 ). The engine was rattling and clicking, as if it was an old - going to pieces Harley. To my question if this is normal, the dealer responded YES, they are like this..... Well, I've ridden the Duke 690 some years ago - nothing like THIS was there. So yes - till KTM SOLVES the reliability issue - I keep away 🤷♂
@@sandwaves5642 sadly the answer is yea, they sound brand new like they are coming apart. That’s one reason I don’t have one, as a mechanic I just can’t be comfortable on a bike that sounds like it’s about to blown up. Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 un placer. Espero que la reparación la cubra garantía. 👍🏻 En mi caso Ktm no se hizo cargo (Rotura de motor 790 Adv, pero las levas estaban bien 🤷🏻♂️) Y si no es pedir mucho, que no demore demasiado 🤪 Cuando puedas cuéntanos el resultado 👍🏻 Saludos desde Argentina 🇦🇷
KTM cannot have the parts available to drop off the bike Monday and pick it up Friday >>> that is >>>> unless you book three to four months in advance.
I was really interested in the Duke 990, even tho I'm not a fan of parallel twins, but with reliability issues, crappy tech pack rip off scheme, I'll be getting an MT-09 SP, and I know I'll be in good hands.
This make me think that if the 790 and 890 have the same cam issues then probably the new 990 will have the same problem, they are all parallel twins. By the way i love your shirt!
Honestly, the most realistic problem is the wrong drilled Oil channels in the head that leads to underfeeding of the jets. Drilling your jets bigger really won’t fix it, that’s just stupid. Correct redrilling of the channels would rather. Atleast after looking at the failures and following the traces left in the head the issues have to be between the upper oil feeder in the head and the oil jets themselves. And those are the oiliness that go threw the head underneath the distribution plate. Everything else makes no sense. A bit to my background, iam an Engineer working for Airbus. And we learned how to analyze failures on an Aircraft and make proper statements about it.
@@FMC-20244 always. I‘am pretty sure that KTM knows very well what’s wrong. But addressing this issue is very, very expensive. I‘am not only talking about fixing the current engines. The change in the production line as well. New Drawings, Tolerances, check ups etc. This will cost millions!
Good point for the oil pump. Or maybe relocate the jet ? Or add an other lub port ? I can not believe that KTM engineers see stuck with this issue that s just killing the sales .
I have a 2020 790 Adventure with 1900 miles I purchased from a dealer 6 months ago.. I stopped riding it due to everyone having this issue. It looks brand new and I even did some nice upgrades to it. It's never seen dirt. It's a pity really, I was thinking about getting a 1390 Super Duke when it came out.. That's not happening now.
Aldo I liked prettig much my 890 Adv, I’m happy I got rid of it (before this CamGate popped-up), cause I really start to believe there is no “affordable” solution this resolve this crappy engine design. Sorry for all those 890 owners.
I think you are mistaken that KTM are moving to China to be more competitive on price to offer customers better deals. The move to China will decrease the manufacturing cost for KTM making the bikes more profitable for KTM. They are not going to pass that saving on to the customers by reducing sale prices.
@@FMC-20244 they are clear why they are doing this in the shareholders report, they need to clear old stock. These are temporary discounts due to bikes not selling. They are clear in the share holders reports they target KTM as a “premium” brand.
As far as I've heard, KTM are sourcing more production to China, not moving the entire operation to China. I'm guessing the LC8c motor platform will be entirely handled by CF Moto. Other than that it seems speculation.
The CFMoto 790 engines doesnt have the cams issue, meaning KTM just refuses to have their engineers look into the problem. CFMoto isn't really responsible in fixing their engine design for them as they're seperate companies.
Excellent theory about who purchases these bikes. As a regular commuter, maybe…maybe, they just aren’t designed for that purpose! Could they just be designed for full out throttle, therefore compromising the commute aspect?
Back in the 1970’s, the Penton 125 with Sachs engine, KTM outside the USA, commonly broken the gear selector shaft. When mine broke, I went to the dealer to buy new parts to repair it. “No charge” they told me.
I use to ride from 4 to 20. Then had a break. I am 35 now. 1 year ago I started again. Ofc a KTM as always. 125sx to learn back faster. Now I got my skills back after puting 120 hours last year. I gonna get a Yamaha yz 250 2t. No more KTM for me.
@@Tapsa-f9r honestly we see the issue with the parallel twins, the rest are pretty good. I own a 2020 te250 and it’s be absolutely flawless. Thanks for watching!!!
I still want the new Duke 990 once the EVO model is announced. Haven't heard any of these issues on the platform yet. However, if the dealership won't even acknowledge the camshaft issues and can't guarantee me a warranty service (in writing) should issues occur, I'm walking away. More corrective action and open dialogue from KTM with consumers would also be reassuring.
@@ewganhoff I have been agonizing over such a decision. I don't like the styling as much on the MT, and reportedly the KTM has more low end torque and is more energetic to ride. Also I've already owned a Yamaha before and I'm trying to own one of each brand throughout my life. Maybe I should skip KTM this generation and go with an MV Agusta Brutale RR instead
@@FMC-20244 I agree with that but that is why they added the screen in the gallery. what we really need to know is how many failures per bikes sold per year. It may not be that bad if it is only a couple of percentages. Similar to the Porsche IMS bearing issue
@@FMC-20244 I believe the problem lies on how the jets were drilled. Another fellow had a very convincing argument that it was a manufacturing defect in the head causing the jet to have only half the oil supply it was suppose to. Basically half the jet, where it sits in its seat was misaligned when drilled. That is where the oversize jet argument is coming from, it will restore the intended flow it should have had in the first place.
Ktm must return to Austria for all bikes. Ktm must be smaller manufacture company that will produce less bikes but with the best quality for dirt and adventure bikes like 20 years before. Of course the price's will be higher, but someone that want a dirt or adventure bike with high quality with no issue will pay it. I have an adventure 950 and I LOVE it. Now on 2024 I can not find a bike with the quality, the design and simple electrical and mechanic parts like 950.
It is too expensive to manufacture in Austria at this point. Manufacturing can be done in a cheaper country as long as strict quality standards are followed.
Try a KTM 1090 or 1190. These models seem to be the pinnacle of KTM design. They sorted the fuel injection lumpyness, the handling on/ off road is excellent, they introduced tubeless wheels and cornering ABS on the 1190s and they seem to be very reliable with few issues. It's only bikes after these models that seem to have multiple reliability issues with electrical and mechanical parts. Plenty of people blame the drop in reliability to the move of production to China without any evidence. In reality it is more likely to be due to the rapid introduction of completely new designs of engine at the same time as introducing a vast swath of complex electronics. KTM just haven't spent the time on the rigorous development needed to iron out all the potential problems with the manufacturing of the new mechanical parts and the function of the complex electronics. Hopefully it is a learning experience for them and they use it to up their reliability and customer service reputation. If they don't, they may well go under.
@@TheOliveradams it’s seems like all the parallel twins are affected, but the dukes seem to have less issues, and I think I know why. I’m working on a new video where I’ll explain. Thanks for watching!!!
@@TheOliveradams that’s one of the reasons that pointed me in potentially identifying the entire issue. As said the video is in the making and it will all make sense
In the US, I wonder if some of these cam problems could be warranty claimed under the emission warranty provision which is quite a bit longer than the bike's warranty?
I'd like to know what percentage of bikes have the problem. Is it one out of five? One out of 50? Knowing that could change how you view the risk of buying one of these machines. If KTM made some changes to the platform but the problem is still happening, it suggests they don't fully understand the root cause. They need to get this under control. They aren't the only vehicle manufacturer with serious issues these days and the general global economic malaise isn't making things any easier. There is a long list of motorcycle manufacturers that have disappeared over the years and it would be a shame if KTM were added to that list.
@@jimbroen there is no official number of how many bikes are affected, and it will take many years to find out. Reason is that many owners don’t even know they bike have the issues. My friends bike ran perfectly and you couldn’t tell by listening or riding that something was going on. Only after checking we saw a issue. Thanks for watching!!!
I agree with hard riding comment. Not that I have proof.... yet. Ask me in 6000 miles when I have valve service. I don't warm up bike. Once bike has started then all components are covered with nice synthetic oil. I then immediately ride. Not too hard for first mile ie not over 5 or 6k. Then I am off. I don't commute, I ride very early when it's quiet, few cars and fast. If having to trundle I usually ride a great higher than I need to, so that revs keep up. Will see in a year whether this has helped.
Im really dissapointed because the 2024 Ktm Duke 790 is exactly what im looking for especially with that pricepoint of just $8,199 that dealers near me are selling them at. It's the sweetspot on power, weight and pricepoint. Its unheard of getting a 800c bike new for just $8k. Not my favorite looking bike but it has grown on me and I like it. A CB1000-R is more my style in looks department but it's more power and money than id prefer. Anyone know if the 2024 Duke 790 is suffering these issues as well? I don't wanna have that in back of my mind the entire time I have the bike wondering if my camshaft is degrading nor do I wanna go through the hassle if it happens.
@@Nucklehead-mm9gf in my opinion all the parallel twins are affected. I’m working at the moment on a video that will explain my thoughts on what’s the actual issue. Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 but wouldn't that have to be because of demand collapsing in the wake of the camshaft issue? I'm speaking more to moving manufacturing to Asia. Anytime companies move their manufacturing to Asia they never lower the cost to the consumer
@@Dashriprock4 honestly I don’t have the answer to that. Words floating around that they lowered already the prices of current models because no one is going to pay 3-4 k more for a bike made in Austria. Word is that they want to get more competitive prices to keep up with lower priced Japanese bikes. But I don’t have any of this 💯. I guess time will tell
The irony of this is that the CFMOTO bikes that use this same engine don't have this problem despite their chinesium reputation, I own an IBEX 800 just came from service and asked them to inspect valves for this same reason (out of pocket of course since I've owned it for "only" 40k miles) and they look pristine, there's also another youtuber that checked his don't remember his name or mileage but its easy to find, I know its not the solution you guys want/deserve but for what its worth, if you need to fix your bike on your own maybe its worth swapping the head and cams for the IBX ones? should be a direct swap
@@sylvainrheault9690 I don’t have the answer to that, I’m researching and working on the next video where I will discuss what I believe is the issue. But I’m afraid until ktm completely re designs they parallel twin the problem will persist. Thanks for watching!!!
I own a 2023 KTM 890 S model. It has 2800 miles on the clock. It is by far the worst bike I’ve ever owned ever! Everything they say on Social media is 100% true, do not buy the 790/890 adventure bikes. OR MAYBE I JUST GOT THE LEMON A WHOLE BUNCH!!
I have a 2021 890 with 20,300 miles on it, and just bought a 2023 890r left over. I have a little over 3000 on the 2023. I have, and do enjoy both bikes. The only issue I have with the 2023 is over 85 degree day, the left leg get to warm. The suspension on the 2023 is better at slow speed hits, other then that, they are super fun to ride fast.
I‘m not sure about that „high rpm = higher oil pressure“ theory or correlation. Even in idle and on low RPM‘s and cool (thicker oil) the oil pressure must be sufficient and the oil needs to go where it belongs. If that theory was true, all engines would have that issue.
@@FMC-20244 Sure. All good. That's why I've called it a theory ;D I'm living near the KTM factory in Austria and we've got 3 large dealers here. If I've got the time, I will vist them and ask them about the issues at hand. I have my own history of KTM dealers not aknowleding an issue (1190 Adventure starter motors back then in 2016).
I have a 2021 890 AdvR and my dealer said that they have heard of it but they have never seen it. Mine is out of warranty and goodwill is case by case. Typical "none-answer".
Unfortunately, KTM in not a good corporate citizen and they have not been for many years. Their hostile takeovers and dumping of brands, staff and total focus on the bottom line is finally starting to catch up with them! Witness the HUGE turnaround in profit to massive losses last financial year. You can only take a dump on so many of your customers before they all finally wake up and band together. Years of substandard WP suspension on the Enduro range, the failed TPI experiment played out on poor owners who were told 'there's no issue, it's all you' only for KTM to admit defeat and fit TBI... and now the camshaft failures handled with complete indifference! The word is out, people don't want to Keep Tipping Money into the KTM pockets.
@@SingleSpeederLife the subject is about the 790 which is already in production in china and Chris birch already rode and reviewed one. Thanks for watching!!!
Made in China is not a crap... At least... The NK800 with the same engine same cam shaft, has no issue at all..😉. Anyhow, going to use the Cfmoto cam shaft as replacement, cheaper and more reliable.
@@theperipateticgumshoe9047 haven’t heard anything yet, so far the problem is only known for the parallel twin engines,not the v twin. Thanks for watching!!!
KTM should come good. People have given them hard earned money at a premium price for a substandard product. Moving to China sure isn't going to help with reliability issues
@@FMC-20244 by the way, I think it’s really cool that you actually react to the people that remark on your videos. Where are you from? What country are you from?
@@MrFagawi absolutely!!! Without you guys, my watchers and subscribers my channel is worthless, so if people comment the least I can do is answer!!! I’m from Germany 🇩🇪 living in the USA 🇺🇸. Appreciate the kind words!!!
@@ioandragulescu6063 china is very capable of doing quality products, the thing is that suppliers import the cheapest products do make a margin. I guess we will see what happens!!! Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 my joke was directed towards KTM, not the Chinese, precisely because they are on an insanely fast improvement path, while old Europe (and not just) is stagnating at best.
Audi Cars have a similar oil pressure issue in the newer diesels ... I'm wondering if there's an oil pump that's is variable via engine mapping as in those Audis which is responsible
Poor reliability, durability, longevity & the price of spare parts best described as extortion. Is it really a mystery why so many avoid KTM's like the plague?
They could quit spending tens of millions on MotoGP and pay me for my shitty cams and followers that I replaced myself when they were lying, saying they'd never heard of an issue. Less than a year ago...
I followed Pierer Mobility Group, it's going down the drain... Since Covid they suffer big losses. This isn't gonna help. If they want to fix this they need to gain trust again from customers. But stockholders want short term results. You can't have both.
I can understand the WHY when talikng saving capital. Really !!! KTM are all abot profit margin and their shareohlders. Peirre Mobility are not abot their customera... Yet people still buy them.. I just dont get it. Go get an exc 500. you wont get much change out of $16,000 AU.
@@chriswest2290 I had a few subscribers ask me 😂😂. I am afraid there would be a copyright infringement if I’d sell those shirts. Thanks for watching!!!
Do you know what you are talking about? KTM moved 790 to China. Not the whole production. They also make 390s in India. Do a little more research before picking up a mic please
It is hard to do a recall when you do not have a fix. To replace worn cams with the same product does not solve the underlying issue. It is obviously not simply a case of poor hardening, after all parco lubrite hardening has worked for every other manufacturer in hundreds of millions of engines for over a century. Design fault issues in lubrication systems are an entirely different matter. How a pissy little filter can help does not make sense and obviously does not work. I sympathise with the manufacturer, CF Moto whose reputation will be diminished by their association with this loser company that is destined to the scrap heap of history. I hope before its demise it at least sells off the great brand names it acquired and then tarnished.
It's a shame because before the 790/890 KTM's were extremely reliable. I had nearly 75,000 miles on my 950 before I sold it and it didn't burn a drop of oil. I had a 640 with 40,000 miles and right now I've got 25,000 trouble free miles on my 690 enduro. The "unreliable" claims were totally unfounded....until now. KTM needs to figure out the issue before they destroy the brand.
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I will never consider KTM after this camshaft saga! All Japanese motorcycles that I’ve owned I’ve never had a problem with.
@@chrispack3131 keep in mind that the affected bikes are the parallel twin engines ones, 790-890-901. If you go bigger to the V-twin engines they are reported to be very reliable. Thanks for watching!!!
I just sold my KTM 790 Adventure S, 2021, 42000 km, that I was using as a travel bike. Because I don’t ride off road anymore I traded it in for a Yamaha Tracer 7 GT with the CP2 engine. I just don’t like the clutch handeling, to brutal, surely on a cold engine, and 20HP less of course. Very vivid engine that makes way less motor noise than my orange bike, who sounded nearly as a Ducati. The Yamaha dealer has an old KTM mechanic working for him who’s camshafts on his 790 Duke were eaten after 7000km…He checked my camshafts and they had some running marks, but no damage to be worried about. I had an extended warranty and I mailed KTM who responded that they recognized the problem that is caused by clogged oil jets on the cams in some cases or bad maintenance (their words). They told me that warranty is no problem if the bike is maintained by a KTM dealer. I am not a very sporty rider who raves above 8000, 9000 rpm’s. I am a long distance rider, riding around 4000 to 8000 km each trip through Europe, on small roads. I wanted a light, economic and powerful bike and my KTM responded 100% to that. But reliability is the most important thing. All those worried and disappointed KTM owners made me trade in my bike after I had for the third time a water hose who was leaking at the thermostat housing on my last trip to France. I think KTM should offer a cam inspection on a recall, but they don’t. They wait until things break down. The problem in my opinion is that not every bike has it, so they can’t find and resolve the problem their self. I was in the point buying a KTM 890 SMT, but to manny doubts made me chose a Yamaha with 5 years of warranty here in Europe and 3000 euros cheaper. These are the troubles I had with my KTM, covered by warranty: stoplight sensor broke after 1500km, water hoses leaking several times, changed the clamps, but still have to keep an eye on them, immobilizer failure and rear shock blown at 25000km, but still, I loved my bike. It was my third KTM after two 990 Adventure’s who had some problems too (one water pump and a head gasket), but I loved those characteristic bikes. I have a good befriended KTM dealer who is disappointed of course, but what to do else when you loose your confidence in the brand.
@@ChocoBelge you have a good point, if you loose confidence in the brand you have no choice than to move on to something else. I really hope ktm comes up with something that makes us go and buy them again. Thanks for watching!!!
You make good points, but If the cause is not addressed, changing the parts will just result in the same problem re-occuring.
@@davidmallia628 that is absolutely correct, once joe gets his bike back we plan on checking the cams again every 1k miles to see if the new head fixed the issue or if we still deal with this. Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 fingers crossed, but it shouldn't be that way. The cause of the problem should be positively, without doubt, identified. Then the fix should preclude any such, same, problem. Cheers!
Looks like by replacing the cams here and there, it will allow ktm to buy time to redesign the lubrication system
The fix for ktm cams is a Honda transalp or Africa Twin or T7
@@walterdemo2895 😂😂 someone will be hating on that comment!!! Thanks for watching!!!
Forget the T7 😂
T7? Why? To narow seat?
you might as well say the fix is no bike…
And the fix for the overweight of those is an EXC 300
Also: the flow of oil (ml/min) is given by the rpms of the oil pump. So if you open up the jets, you will get more flow through them (and yes: probably not spraying the oil where it should be) but also get LESS oil to other places in the engine, where it is needed, so creating problems in other bearings!
@@kai-uweoch1159 you are absolutely right!!! Thanks for watching!!!
Many years ago Honda made an engine that was prone to cam failures and it dented their reputation. Their response was to build a new engine which many say was even over-engineered, to address the problem and restore confidence. This was the V4 used in the VFR's. KTM seem to prefer to avoid, deny, and refuse to take responsibility. Not a confidence inspiring brand.
@@mars0030 that’s correct, Honda did what they had to do to keep they customers. Thanks for watching!!!
KTM had always have reliability issues , even while it was build in Europe.....and now in China - you can only imagine .....
I am not going near them any more.....
@@istra70 thanks for watching!!!
Great video, I've watched much content on this subject and am sceptical as to a single cause of the cam lobe oil starvation. I think tolerance stack up is why this is happening and is why it's such a nightmare for KTM to deal with. It makes the issue unpredictable from bike to bike and complicates diagnosing what to do to fix it other than replacement of the entire engine. Whether KTM have trapped the proper production tolerance issues in order to prevent recurrence is unknown as they're not being transparent at all. The 990 has probably not been in use long enough to know whether it is affected and is a massive red flag for me as someone considering the RCR 990.
@@Bunter1815 thank you, and thanks for watching!!!
I like your rpm theory! I have a 2019 KTM 790R which experienced the camshaft issue. Long sordid story but I ended up replacing the engine with a 2020 Duke 790 salvage. I have hundreds of hours noodling this topic and strongly suspect the oil delivery system. Two possible causes… 1) in my case I’m pretty sure my oil nozzle got plugged, possibly due to a tiny metal particle, possibly from quick shifting. Unclogging this thing required a wire about the thickness of a human hair. 2) My wear occurred at the #2 cylinder exhaust valve which may be at the far end of the oil delivery system and therefore may receive the least amount of pressure. It would be good to track which cam lobes are being affected. But back to your theory. Before discovering my issue, I’d say I probably babied the bike and did not tend to wrap it out…i.e. sometimes tried to get the most range out of it by keeping the rpms just above “lugging it.” I have gotten 300 miles out of it. So you might be right. Such riding could have killed it.
@@dwb3450 so far it’s just a theory, but like said I have heard many riders saying they pushing the bikes hard and everything is good. Thanks for watching!!!
I was just about to pull the trigger on a brand new KTM 890 R, because they were giving a great deal on them at my local KTM dealer. Now I know why! I guess I'll keep looking, maybe a Suzuki V-Strom.
@@odyshopody9387 that’s exactly the reason why the have those deals right now!!! Plenty of good options out there!! Thanks for watching!!!
They did NOT move "the whole production to China". Just some models. The problem seems to be bad design of the oil flows. Therefore, just exchanging the camshafts will not necessarily solve the issue. Also, the bad design probably comes from Mattighofen, not China.
Let me correct you here, more than bad design the problem seems to be bad execution of the design, or bad quality control if you wish.v
@@miro_smaybe. Is there evidence?
@@Amerigo73 you are correct, what I meant want the parallel twin production!!! Thanks for watching!!!
@@Amerigo73 yes, the analysis done by the dirt garage guy shows that the galleys drilled in the head to bring oil to the jets are misaligned and so restrict the flow. Had they drilled those more precisely or quality-controlled them after drilling, the want be a problem. If that’s actually the case, then it’s an execution/manufacturing problem not a design one.
@@miro_s Maybe yes. This would shed a very different light on things. If that's the root cause, it would mean something entirely different than a flawed design from Mattighofen. Anyway, not replying to customers and stating problems as nonexistent are amplifying the issues. All problems are always "never heard of this before" and KTM isn't the only brand trying to pull this off. It usually ends when the American market / NHTSA wants a recall.
Subscribed. Really want to hear about this first hand, waiting for the interview. Sold my 901 six months ago, before I heard of any problems. I was lucky.
This whole issue scared me away from buying a very nicely setup 2021 890 Rally. I picked up a 2021 701 instead, which is a great bike but I wish the 890's didn't have this problem, as that rally was really nice...
@@docwyte they are amazing machines!!! We all wish they didn’t have those issues. Thanks for watching!!!
46k miles on my 2020 duke 790 and never even checked valve clearances. Always sounded like a bag of nails. Just ride hard and what will be will be. Nothing lasts forever.
@@leecunningham9759 honestly I’ve heard from few people that claim they ride them pretty hard and have no issues!!! I’m looking into that at the moment. Thanks for watching!!!
30 years of owning KTM, 1st time looking at that Yamaha t7.
@@johnanthony6141 I own one, i admit it’s not AS fun like the 790 but still pretty fun bike!!! Thanks for watching!!
Swap it for the Tracer 9 GT+ 😊🏁
Hello!
First of all, I live on the border with Austria in Germany. 10 minutes from me is a development center of Pierer Mobility 😉😉 Many people write here that the solution would be to build the motorcycles in Austria again and not in China. I am telling you now very clearly and unambiguously!! The problem of poor quality is not the production location, but the quality of the parts that are used. If the parts are simply bad, it doesn't matter whether they are installed by Austrian or Chinese hands. Proof of this...?? Years ago I wanted to buy a 790 Adventure (Made in Austria!!) and the KTM dealer openly listed all the problems for me. Everything was there, engine... electrics... workmanship... every component was affected. It should be clear that I didn't buy a KTM... the problem is Pierer himself. He only thinks about profit at all costs. Regardless of whether the quality suffers. For years it worked well, now the bubble has burst and Pierer is being served the bill. I am excited to see what happens with KTM in the future. Things are not looking good at the moment... Greetings from Bavaria 😉😉
@@uglybiketours4344 thanks for your insight!!! Glad to hear that your dealer gave you a heads up. Here in the USA 🇺🇸 they all lie so they can sell the bikes on the floor. Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 believe me 😉😉 most dealers here are no different than in the USA. I was just lucky. 👍🏻 but it's getting harder and harder to hide the truth. It's also getting harder and harder for dealers to deny problems. many KTM dealers are extremely angry with KTM. they have problems with customers and KTM has no customer-friendly solution. not a nice situation 😎 an example... the problems with the dashboard are many years old. KTM has not changed anything in the series, KTM initially replaced things under warranty and as a goodwill gesture. it simply became too expensive and too much. so KTM gave its dealers instructions on in which cases they can refuse a warranty straight away with the customer. where there can be moisture in the display... no warranty and where if it is replaced. A KTM dealer was so angry about this that he published this instruction from KTM on his homepage with the note... Dear customers, if you are not satisfied with this then please send an email to... KTM Germany (including email address) 😂😂 many dealers are really angry. Greetings from Bavaria 😉😉
I recently, dropped by a dealer to try the 890 ADV ( 2024 ). The engine was rattling and clicking, as if it was an old - going to pieces Harley. To my question if this is normal, the dealer responded YES, they are like this..... Well, I've ridden the Duke 690 some years ago - nothing like THIS was there. So yes - till KTM SOLVES the reliability issue - I keep away 🤷♂
@@sandwaves5642 sadly the answer is yea, they sound brand new like they are coming apart. That’s one reason I don’t have one, as a mechanic I just can’t be comfortable on a bike that sounds like it’s about to blown up. Thanks for watching!!!
KTM Marketing is brillant, they chose Orange to disguise their LEMONS!
@@WarrenShefford 😂😂😂 your comment is brilliant!! Thanks for watching!!!
Me gustó tu remera.
Y espero saber cómo termina la historia de las levas 👍🏻
Saludos desde Argentina 🇦🇷
@@tincho1979 muchas gracias!!
@@FMC-20244 un placer.
Espero que la reparación la cubra garantía. 👍🏻
En mi caso Ktm no se hizo cargo (Rotura de motor 790 Adv, pero las levas estaban bien 🤷🏻♂️)
Y si no es pedir mucho, que no demore demasiado 🤪
Cuando puedas cuéntanos el resultado 👍🏻
Saludos desde Argentina 🇦🇷
KTM cannot have the parts available to drop off the bike Monday and pick it up Friday >>> that is >>>> unless you book three to four months in advance.
@@islanddreaming8591 I don’t know, that’s what people claim 🤷🏻♂️. Thanks for watching
The worst thing is not knowing.
@@SvenTord 💯!!!
Great point about the dealers and (some) refusing trade. "What issue ?" BS
@@leemac9803 thanks for watching!!!
I would love to hear the conversations beteen KTM and CF moto.
@@tonyiandiplock5825 that makes two of us!!! Thanks for watching!!!
The question is, CF Moto uses the 790 engine in their own bikes, do they also suffer from the same issue ?
Me too. Will be like: “We bring the slaves, you the know how and we share the profit.“
@@wernerxldata Aparently not, saw a 800MT/IBEX valve maintenance video, their 790 cams are in good condition for 10,000 miles
I was really interested in the Duke 990, even tho I'm not a fan of parallel twins, but with reliability issues, crappy tech pack rip off scheme, I'll be getting an MT-09 SP, and I know I'll be in good hands.
This make me think that if the 790 and 890 have the same cam issues then probably the new 990 will have the same problem, they are all parallel twins. By the way i love your shirt!
@@gui7esp02 let’s hope they figured out the 990!! Thanks, appreciate it!! Thanks for watching!!!
Honestly, the most realistic problem is the wrong drilled Oil channels in the head that leads to underfeeding of the jets. Drilling your jets bigger really won’t fix it, that’s just stupid. Correct redrilling of the channels would rather.
Atleast after looking at the failures and following the traces left in the head the issues have to be between the upper oil feeder in the head and the oil jets themselves. And those are the oiliness that go threw the head underneath the distribution plate. Everything else makes no sense.
A bit to my background, iam an Engineer working for Airbus. And we learned how to analyze failures on an Aircraft and make proper statements about it.
@@Max-hy9ud finally a engineer putting in some thoughts!!! Really appreciate it!! Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 always.
I‘am pretty sure that KTM knows very well what’s wrong. But addressing this issue is very, very expensive. I‘am not only talking about fixing the current engines.
The change in the production line as well. New Drawings, Tolerances, check ups etc. This will cost millions!
@@Max-hy9ud i totally understand what your are saying and agree with you.
Good point for the oil pump.
Or maybe relocate the jet ? Or add an other lub port ?
I can not believe that KTM engineers see stuck with this issue that s just killing the sales .
@@jeanpaulcomeau8131 appreciate it, really had to take a engine apart to see what’s going on. But yes it’s not good!!! Thanks for watching!!!
I have a 2020 790 Adventure with 1900 miles I purchased from a dealer 6 months ago.. I stopped riding it due to everyone having this issue. It looks brand new and I even did some nice upgrades to it. It's never seen dirt. It's a pity really, I was thinking about getting a 1390 Super Duke when it came out.. That's not happening now.
@@sirwes2924 it’s a bad situation all the way around. Thanks for watching!!!
Aldo I liked prettig much my 890 Adv, I’m happy I got rid of it (before this CamGate popped-up), cause I really start to believe there is no “affordable” solution this resolve this crappy engine design. Sorry for all those 890 owners.
@@christianmouraux7269 let’s face it, no repair on a big ktm is really affordable!!! Everything is pricey!!! Thanks for watching!!!
I think you are mistaken that KTM are moving to China to be more competitive on price to offer customers better deals. The move to China will decrease the manufacturing cost for KTM making the bikes more profitable for KTM. They are not going to pass that saving on to the customers by reducing sale prices.
@@SomeRandoInternetPoster they already have begun to drop the prices!!! Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 they are clear why they are doing this in the shareholders report, they need to clear old stock. These are temporary discounts due to bikes not selling. They are clear in the share holders reports they target KTM as a “premium” brand.
As far as I've heard, KTM are sourcing more production to China, not moving the entire operation to China.
I'm guessing the LC8c motor platform will be entirely handled by CF Moto.
Other than that it seems speculation.
Incorrect. The 2024 790 has a reduced price.
The CFMoto 790 engines doesnt have the cams issue, meaning KTM just refuses to have their engineers look into the problem. CFMoto isn't really responsible in fixing their engine design for them as they're seperate companies.
Excellent theory about who purchases these bikes. As a regular commuter, maybe…maybe, they just aren’t designed for that purpose! Could they just be designed for full out throttle, therefore compromising the commute aspect?
@@montgomery3605 it’s a theory so far, I’m doing more research on that matter. Thank for watching!!!
KTM is working on it 24/7 to revolutionize everything... be patient for this year ;)
@@JeffManaAnytime let’s hope!!!! Thanks for watching!!!
How come you know that?
@@shaddixamigo friends working there in Austria
They're not going to lower prices. They're trying to make more profit.
KTM will eventually go bust!
@@Roger_Gustafsson we already seen a few dealers lowering the prices. Could also be to just move inventory. Thanks for watching!!!
@@chrispack3131 Hope not, that would be a problem for a lot of owners.
Back in the 1970’s, the Penton 125 with Sachs engine, KTM outside the USA, commonly broken the gear selector shaft. When mine broke, I went to the dealer to buy new parts to repair it. “No charge” they told me.
@@chestertownelectric6290 nice!! That’s how it’s done!!! Thanks for watching!!!
Sure glad i bought the 701/690/700 class bike, have had nothing but a good experience with my husky dealer
@@Eds_PanAm happy to hear that!!! Thanks for watching!!!
I use to ride from 4 to 20. Then had a break.
I am 35 now. 1 year ago I started again. Ofc a KTM as always. 125sx to learn back faster.
Now I got my skills back after puting 120 hours last year. I gonna get a Yamaha yz 250 2t.
No more KTM for me.
@@Tapsa-f9r honestly we see the issue with the parallel twins, the rest are pretty good. I own a 2020 te250 and it’s be absolutely flawless. Thanks for watching!!!
I still want the new Duke 990 once the EVO model is announced. Haven't heard any of these issues on the platform yet. However, if the dealership won't even acknowledge the camshaft issues and can't guarantee me a warranty service (in writing) should issues occur, I'm walking away. More corrective action and open dialogue from KTM with consumers would also be reassuring.
@@Cthooligan i agree, at this point everyone should get in writing ✍️ the warranty before getting a new ktm. Thanks for watching!!!
Do yourself a favour and just buy the new mt09sp. It's a no-brainer at this point.
@@ewganhoff I have been agonizing over such a decision. I don't like the styling as much on the MT, and reportedly the KTM has more low end torque and is more energetic to ride. Also I've already owned a Yamaha before and I'm trying to own one of each brand throughout my life. Maybe I should skip KTM this generation and go with an MV Agusta Brutale RR instead
The issue is likely clogged jets, even the miss-aligned oil galleries would allow adequate flow compared to the restriction the jets have.
@@jonpeters5194 it’s just strange that so many bikes would have clogged jets. Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 I agree with that but that is why they added the screen in the gallery. what we really need to know is how many failures per bikes sold per year. It may not be that bad if it is only a couple of percentages. Similar to the Porsche IMS bearing issue
@@jonpeters5194 i totally get what you are saying, I’d guess only KTM know and they for sure won’t tell us
@@FMC-20244 I believe the problem lies on how the jets were drilled. Another fellow had a very convincing argument that it was a manufacturing defect in the head causing the jet to have only half the oil supply it was suppose to. Basically half the jet, where it sits in its seat was misaligned when drilled. That is where the oversize jet argument is coming from, it will restore the intended flow it should have had in the first place.
@@jesses1589 I’ll dig deeper into it!! Thanks for watching!!!
Ktm must return to Austria for all bikes. Ktm must be smaller manufacture company that will produce less bikes but with the best quality for dirt and adventure bikes like 20 years before. Of course the price's will be higher, but someone that want a dirt or adventure bike with high quality with no issue will pay it. I have an adventure 950 and I LOVE it. Now on 2024 I can not find a bike with the quality, the design and simple electrical and mechanic parts like 950.
@@ΙωάννηςΤ-χ5χ I absolutely agree!!! Thanks for watching!!!
It is too expensive to manufacture in Austria at this point. Manufacturing can be done in a cheaper country as long as strict quality standards are followed.
And that’s why I’m keeping my two 990 until I can’t ride them anymore.
Try a KTM 1090 or 1190. These models seem to be the pinnacle of KTM design. They sorted the fuel injection lumpyness, the handling on/ off road is excellent, they introduced tubeless wheels and cornering ABS on the 1190s and they seem to be very reliable with few issues. It's only bikes after these models that seem to have multiple reliability issues with electrical and mechanical parts. Plenty of people blame the drop in reliability to the move of production to China without any evidence. In reality it is more likely to be due to the rapid introduction of completely new designs of engine at the same time as introducing a vast swath of complex electronics. KTM just haven't spent the time on the rigorous development needed to iron out all the potential problems with the manufacturing of the new mechanical parts and the function of the complex electronics. Hopefully it is a learning experience for them and they use it to up their reliability and customer service reputation. If they don't, they may well go under.
I have a 2023 Duke890R with now 12.000Km , do you know if there are any problems with the camshaft of the 890R ?
@@TheOliveradams it’s seems like all the parallel twins are affected, but the dukes seem to have less issues, and I think I know why. I’m working on a new video where I’ll explain. Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 Thnx for the response , I'm looking out for your new video on that !
I heard also that the less sporty riders have more issues with the camshaft ?
@@TheOliveradams that’s one of the reasons that pointed me in potentially identifying the entire issue. As said the video is in the making and it will all make sense
@@FMC-20244 Can't wait to see it 🙂
In the US, I wonder if some of these cam problems could be warranty claimed under the emission warranty provision which is quite a bit longer than the bike's warranty?
Interesting video. Thanks
@@antonios2846 thanks for watching!!!
Hi
What year model is Joe's 790?
@@Jose1maneZ 2019 790R. Thanks for watching!!!
Does the 390s have the same issue?
@@jaynus08 not to my knowledge!! Thanks for watching!!!
Early 1980s Yamaha TT & XT250 use to shit their cam gear... It was an oil pump issue.. There was no internet to hear about it back then...
@@peterclaydon9782 you are right, pretty much any manufacturer had issues at one point!!! Thanks for watching!!!
I'd like to know what percentage of bikes have the problem. Is it one out of five? One out of 50? Knowing that could change how you view the risk of buying one of these machines. If KTM made some changes to the platform but the problem is still happening, it suggests they don't fully understand the root cause. They need to get this under control. They aren't the only vehicle manufacturer with serious issues these days and the general global economic malaise isn't making things any easier. There is a long list of motorcycle manufacturers that have disappeared over the years and it would be a shame if KTM were added to that list.
@@jimbroen there is no official number of how many bikes are affected, and it will take many years to find out. Reason is that many owners don’t even know they bike have the issues. My friends bike ran perfectly and you couldn’t tell by listening or riding that something was going on. Only after checking we saw a issue. Thanks for watching!!!
I agree with hard riding comment. Not that I have proof.... yet. Ask me in 6000 miles when I have valve service.
I don't warm up bike. Once bike has started then all components are covered with nice synthetic oil. I then immediately ride. Not too hard for first mile ie not over 5 or 6k. Then I am off. I don't commute, I ride very early when it's quiet, few cars and fast.
If having to trundle I usually ride a great higher than I need to, so that revs keep up.
Will see in a year whether this has helped.
@@mainand please keep us informed!!! Thanks for watching!!!
Looking at a 1050, any advice? Thanks in advance.
@@Fractal379 so far I know the v-twin series is pretty much bulletproof. The issue is only known to the parallel twin series. Thanks for watching!!!
I think the 890 (2021) were built in Austria. More recent I’m not so sure. A 2024 390 is assembled in India.
@@billroberts9182 correct. Thanks for watching!!!
Im really dissapointed because the 2024 Ktm Duke 790 is exactly what im looking for especially with that pricepoint of just $8,199 that dealers near me are selling them at. It's the sweetspot on power, weight and pricepoint. Its unheard of getting a 800c bike new for just $8k. Not my favorite looking bike but it has grown on me and I like it. A CB1000-R is more my style in looks department but it's more power and money than id prefer. Anyone know if the 2024 Duke 790 is suffering these issues as well? I don't wanna have that in back of my mind the entire time I have the bike wondering if my camshaft is degrading nor do I wanna go through the hassle if it happens.
@@Nucklehead-mm9gf in my opinion all the parallel twins are affected. I’m working at the moment on a video that will explain my thoughts on what’s the actual issue. Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 OK thanks, I will surely be watching along to hear your thoughts.
@@Nucklehead-mm9gf appreciate it!!!
The problem is the bikes won't go down in price. They won't pass those cost savings onto the consumer
@@Dashriprock4 the new 790s are already on sale at lowered price!!! Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 but wouldn't that have to be because of demand collapsing in the wake of the camshaft issue? I'm speaking more to moving manufacturing to Asia. Anytime companies move their manufacturing to Asia they never lower the cost to the consumer
@@Dashriprock4 honestly I don’t have the answer to that. Words floating around that they lowered already the prices of current models because no one is going to pay 3-4 k more for a bike made in Austria. Word is that they want to get more competitive prices to keep up with lower priced Japanese bikes. But I don’t have any of this 💯. I guess time will tell
Sounds like the same corporate business model that Sig Sauer has with their P320 line of firearms.
@@AmericanADVRider not familiar with that, I’ll have to look it up. Thanks for watching!!!
It’s the oil feed to the jet that isn’t crossed drill accurately leading to a restriction in the oil flow to the jet.
Yes it leads to some restriction, it isn't an optimal flow, but I've seen tests where the oil still squirts well enough from the jets.
The irony of this is that the CFMOTO bikes that use this same engine don't have this problem despite their chinesium reputation, I own an IBEX 800 just came from service and asked them to inspect valves for this same reason (out of pocket of course since I've owned it for "only" 40k miles) and they look pristine, there's also another youtuber that checked his don't remember his name or mileage but its easy to find, I know its not the solution you guys want/deserve but for what its worth, if you need to fix your bike on your own maybe its worth swapping the head and cams for the IBX ones? should be a direct swap
@@Clearjab that is golden information right here!!! With 40k and no issues that’s how it should be!!! Thanks for watching!!!
what about the norten expedition 2025 do you think they will have the same problem or it will be fixed ?
@@sylvainrheault9690 I don’t have the answer to that, I’m researching and working on the next video where I will discuss what I believe is the issue.
But I’m afraid until ktm completely re designs they parallel twin the problem will persist. Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 Thanks for the quick answer i will keep following your tube channel.
@@sylvainrheault9690 your welcome!! Thanks for watching and supporting!!!
I own a 2023 KTM 890 S model. It has 2800 miles on the clock. It is by far the worst bike I’ve ever owned ever! Everything they say on Social media is 100% true, do not buy the 790/890 adventure bikes. OR MAYBE I JUST GOT THE LEMON A WHOLE BUNCH!!
I have a 2021 890 with 20,300 miles on it, and just bought a 2023 890r left over. I have a little over 3000 on the 2023. I have, and do enjoy both bikes. The only issue I have with the 2023 is over 85 degree day, the left leg get to warm. The suspension on the 2023 is better at slow speed hits, other then that, they are super fun to ride fast.
I‘m not sure about that „high rpm = higher oil pressure“ theory or correlation.
Even in idle and on low RPM‘s and cool (thicker oil) the oil pressure must be sufficient and the oil needs to go where it belongs.
If that theory was true, all engines would have that issue.
@@lolbruah it’s a just a theory, I’m reaching out to more riders that race those bikes to see what they imput is. Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 Sure. All good. That's why I've called it a theory ;D I'm living near the KTM factory in Austria and we've got 3 large dealers here. If I've got the time, I will vist them and ask them about the issues at hand. I have my own history of KTM dealers not aknowleding an issue (1190 Adventure starter motors back then in 2016).
@@lolbruah if you can find anything out, please do share with us!!! Thank you!!!
I have a 2021 890 AdvR and my dealer said that they have heard of it but they have never seen it. Mine is out of warranty and goodwill is case by case. Typical "none-answer".
@@SvenTord sadly that’s what most owners hear from the dealers. It’s a big mess they have going on. Thanks for watching!!!
Unfortunately, KTM in not a good corporate citizen and they have not been for many years.
Their hostile takeovers and dumping of brands, staff and total focus on the bottom line is finally starting to catch up with them!
Witness the HUGE turnaround in profit to massive losses last financial year.
You can only take a dump on so many of your customers before they all finally wake up and band together.
Years of substandard WP suspension on the Enduro range, the failed TPI experiment played out on poor owners who were told 'there's no issue, it's all you' only for KTM to admit defeat and fit TBI... and now the camshaft failures handled with complete indifference!
The word is out, people don't want to
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into the KTM pockets.
LOL they didn't move everything to china... Dirt bikes are still made in Austria. They just put out a press release about it like a month ago.
@@SingleSpeederLife the subject is about the 790 which is already in production in china and Chris birch already rode and reviewed one. Thanks for watching!!!
Made in China is not a crap... At least... The NK800 with the same engine same cam shaft, has no issue at all..😉. Anyhow, going to use the Cfmoto cam shaft as replacement, cheaper and more reliable.
@@wynnszenn totally agree!!! Thanks for watching!!!
Unfortunately they don't have 890R camshafts 😁
@@wernerxldata I suppose it is same with 790
@@wynnszenn You mean the Duke version ? Duke and Adventure seem to have different cams...
@@wernerxldata as long as they are LC8
Any issues with the new 1390 SDR?
@@theperipateticgumshoe9047 haven’t heard anything yet, so far the problem is only known for the parallel twin engines,not the v twin. Thanks for watching!!!
I have owned a dozen new KTMs, but I a not going to buy one made in China. I'll go back to Japanese bikes first, or Thailand, or Indonesia, whatever.
@@leanit5756 i feel what you saying!! Thanks for watching!!!
1290 made in Austria
KTM should come good. People have given them hard earned money at a premium price for a substandard product. Moving to China sure isn't going to help with reliability issues
@@charliepyle1626 totally agree!!! They should fix every affected bike and stop saying the problem doesn’t exist!!! Thanks for watching!!!
Thats why..... most riders just choose to go with Japanese bikes and be done with it lol. Hip hip hurray for Japanese reliability
@@BunToomo different strokes for different folks!!! Thanks for watching!!!
I guess I got lucky,,,
I traded in my 890r for a 1290 last December
got a good deal too instead of 21500 got it for 16000
@@MrFagawi how do you like the 1290? Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 I love it, but to be honest, it’s too much for the street
I also have a Vfr 800 and that is plenty enough here on the streets
@@FMC-20244 by the way, I think it’s really cool that you actually react to the people that remark on your videos. Where are you from? What country are you from?
@@MrFagawi absolutely!!! Without you guys, my watchers and subscribers my channel is worthless, so if people comment the least I can do is answer!!! I’m from Germany 🇩🇪 living in the USA 🇺🇸. Appreciate the kind words!!!
I sold my KTM790 Duke and after 33k km because of this matter.
they are moving to china so the chinese can make the bikes better :))))
Well if EV cars are of any indication, that's exactly what China can do - if they want to.
@@ioandragulescu6063 china is very capable of doing quality products, the thing is that suppliers import the cheapest products do make a margin. I guess we will see what happens!!! Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 my joke was directed towards KTM, not the Chinese, precisely because they are on an insanely fast improvement path, while old Europe (and not just) is stagnating at best.
Sounds like KTM has serious financial issues.
Audi Cars have a similar oil pressure issue in the newer diesels ... I'm wondering if there's an oil pump that's is variable via engine mapping as in those Audis which is responsible
Is it the same problem with 2024 models?
@@gregfreeland9816 we don’t know yet. Bikes are still to new. Thanks for watching!!!
Can you please do a video where you speak about the difference between the 790 and kove 800 engines, thank you from Italy bro
@@lorenzovilla6502 I’ll try to make it happen!!! Thanks for watching!!!
Poor reliability, durability, longevity & the price of spare parts best described as extortion. Is it really a mystery why so many avoid KTM's like the plague?
Good chat mate
@@rogerwoods15 thank you!!! Thanks for watching!!!
Ready to replace
They could quit spending tens of millions on MotoGP and pay me for my shitty cams and followers that I replaced myself when they were lying, saying they'd never heard of an issue. Less than a year ago...
@@RatBike750 yea this corporate bs is not fair to the customers
The 790 is made in China CF Moto. The 890 is made in Austria.
KTM doesn't give a crap about you !!
@@RT-tn4ry sadly it looks like it!!! Thanks for watching!!!
Did you read the H1 financial report? It seems you haven’t.
I followed Pierer Mobility Group, it's going down the drain... Since Covid they suffer big losses. This isn't gonna help.
If they want to fix this they need to gain trust again from customers. But stockholders want short term results. You can't have both.
if it breaks I'll fix it..Duke 890r ..awesome bike
@@sn00pgreen no doubt they are fun rides!!! Thanks for watching!!!
Yup, one of the best bikes ever.
I agree
They are going bankrupt. That's my opinion.
@@jeanpequignot80 let’s hope not. To many great bikes in their lineup!!! Thanks for watching!!!
Kove proves quality can be built in China.
@@1biker4life absolutely 💯. Thanks for watching!!!
China, oh hell no ktm is doomed... I'm going to sell my ktm this week done with this euro trash
@@dawidswanepoel2523 sad what’s happening!!! Thanks for watching!!!
I can understand the WHY when talikng saving capital. Really !!! KTM are all abot profit margin and their shareohlders. Peirre Mobility are not abot their customera... Yet people still buy them.. I just dont get it. Go get an exc 500. you wont get much change out of $16,000 AU.
Nice shirt! Are they for sale.
@@RobertKehl thanks!!! I just had that one made, I guess I could order some more!! Thanks for watching!!!
Where can i get that t-shirt? 🤣
@@chriswest2290 I had a few subscribers ask me 😂😂. I am afraid there would be a copyright infringement if I’d sell those shirts. Thanks for watching!!!
@@FMC-20244 you get it printed yourself?
@@chriswest2290 yes, I made the art and had it printed for this video
This is what I called a rubbish channel. Don't you know that Yamaha, BMW, etc, are also made in China??? Get your facts right.
How to get this Tshirt😂😂
@@codyazi2232 I had other viewers ask the that same question. I might make a small batch for the people who want one
Do you know what you are talking about? KTM moved 790 to China. Not the whole production. They also make 390s in India. Do a little more research before picking up a mic please
@@motojc the subject was about the 790 not the entire production line 🙄.
It is hard to do a recall when you do not have a fix. To replace worn cams with the same product does not solve the underlying issue. It is obviously not simply a case of poor hardening, after all parco lubrite hardening has worked for every other manufacturer in hundreds of millions of engines for over a century. Design fault issues in lubrication systems are an entirely different matter. How a pissy little filter can help does not make sense and obviously does not work. I sympathise with the manufacturer, CF Moto whose reputation will be diminished by their association with this loser company that is destined to the scrap heap of history. I hope before its demise it at least sells off the great brand names it acquired and then tarnished.
I don't care I love my ktms and Yamaha sucks where I live so it's KTM or BMW or Ducati so no change
@@ricardomorales1039 thanks for watching!!!
It's a shame because before the 790/890 KTM's were extremely reliable. I had nearly 75,000 miles on my 950 before I sold it and it didn't burn a drop of oil. I had a 640 with 40,000 miles and right now I've got 25,000 trouble free miles on my 690 enduro. The "unreliable" claims were totally unfounded....until now. KTM needs to figure out the issue before they destroy the brand.
Chi Naaah.
Keep Trowing Money lmao
@@Africatwin93 😂😂 thanks for watching!!!
China the end.
Not moved all to China , do your homework fool ! Only the small street and the 790 are china and india bikes
@@chanceclements6064 thank you mister perfect, glad no one can make a mistake, fool!!!
By the way this subject is about the 790 🙄
My 790 still not done 😫
That’s just crazy
How long has it been?
@@Yardsale17 since the the bike been at the dealer? 5 months
@@Yardsale175 months
5 months sorry