100000% correct brother....please PIN this comment and look at the link I share to Ernest Jones, who taught Manuel's father, who in turn both taught Manuel, by him watching and listening to his dad and Ernest....Ernest figured all this out after losing his leg from knee down during WW I....read ALL carefully what's said on his wiki link here, Especially the bit about his conversation with Horton Smith, Masters 1st & 3rd winner who then went on to be PGA President......Ernest also wrote an instructional book, titled "Swing the Clubhead" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Jones_(golfer) Ernest was shooting scores in the low 70s on only 1 leg on old tough courses with hickory shaft clubs too mind you!!!!! Jones also taught many of the hickory era players greats, such as Virginia Van Wie & Glenna Collett-Vare who are both still ranked among the top women golfers to ever played the game, Lawson Little and many, many more...the part I found Most interesting was what Horton Smith said to Jones after learning how truly simple Jones' methods are/were and what Smith told Jones about PGA teaching professionals NOT having work, if people truly knew how Simple golf can and should be!
Thanks so much for the comments and kudos. Check out a the video I put out with Swing the Clubhead in the title. At least I think it was last year..... or maybe 2 years ago, lol. I love the Ernest Jones story and how it traveled through other teachers like Manuel and his dad. Great stuff.
@@GolfTestDummy i will go into your uploads and search for that video brother! What still blows me away is what Ernest was doing indoors way back then @ only $5 per lesson and how many lessons he was giving to people vs all the other teachers and what Horton Smith told him....which is why 99% of all golfers have way over complicated the game! Another part of his story is the scores he was able to shoot 2 rounds after losing his leg....yet today look how few can shoot in the low 70s with both legs! If that's not proof his methods work far better....i dunno what is? Off to look through your vids for that one! Thank you for all you do and share on your channel here too...kudos to you 👊
Absolutely. Kinda reminds me of the relationship between Nikola Tesla and J P Morgan. One is about innovation and gifting to all. The other was about strip mining every person he came across and squeezing every cent out
@@GolfTestDummy Absolutely, and a perfect analogy you just shared right there too! Spot on man! Got side tracked watching EAL's Random Golf Club Films of the 3rd part of Breaking Sawgrass! Heading to your uploads to find the one you mentioned now!
I stumbled across MDLT video last Monday and loved it because I am an over analysis type of golfer. I have many different golf swings that I use my necklace method, my Ben Hogan method, my Bobby Jones method each one will work for a while then it goes south and I switch to another. But watching his video was eye-opening for me so I downloaded his book on Kindle. Three days later I go with my buddy to the golf course and I decide to keep my mind clear and only swing the Manuel method. I hit 12 out of 14 fairways. I hit drawls for the first time in 20 years. My long irons were fantastic. My only issue I was having was 789 iron full shots. I was drawling the ball too much. So while I’m searching for more videos on him, I came across your site and I’m so glad I did.
love it! golf should be this simple... i have made it soooooo difficult, getting lessons from different pros, watching different you tube instructions and filling my head with way too much! wish i could start again!
Expectations would be the key word . There is nothing wrong with wanting to be a decent weekend golfer. Easy effortless and not thinking too much can get you there. If being decent at the game is your goal then great. Just being decent at this game is not enough for some. The game to me is like a drug. I can never get enough . Even with a thorough knowledge of the golfswing I find myself looking time and time again for confirmation of my understanding. Like the weekend golfer there is nothing wrong with this mindset. Whatever makes you happy . To me it is the never ending journey to improvement. De~leitour can only take you so far.
I have dabbled with Easiest Swing (Brian Sparkes), Channel Lock and JGV swing. I am quite competent at them all despite being 89 years old. However I have introduced one protocol of my own with all swings and it is this. I always pick a spot about l inch in front of the ball and stare at this all the way through impact.I only think of this one swing thought when I am over the ball. No swing thoughts at all while swinging. Just keep my eye one inch in front of the ball. IT WORKS every time -for me. The instructions and protocols for all 3 swings have been easy to learn but the only protocol which works with the established ones for me is this one which I use without fail. Loving to see you back Chad.,thoroughly enjoy your honest advi9ce and comments. Hope you and your family are well and safe.
The K.I.S.S. method is always best, but it’s easier said than done. Kudos to your wife for having the external thought of where she wants the ball to go and swinging in that direction. I’m like you, I analyze the hell out of things, so my brain is constantly racing swing thoughts searching for the perfect positions, which, of course, screws me up. I’m currently working on just thinking about a timing count of 1 - 2. So far so good. It does eliminate all of those unnecessary swing thoughts that can and will ruin your swing. Keep improving brother.
Nice video. Along these lines, I am glad your Wife is enjoying it and getting excited to play. I taught my Wife to play about six years ago. All my Buddies were telling me it was a mistake, but it's been the best thing I ever did. She picked it up fast, I basically taught here Stack and Tilt, and she can score in the 80's regularly. We play in tournaments and beat the guys all the time. I also have a great partner to play with when we go on vacations. We base our vacations on were we want to play golf now. I not only have my partner for the rest of my life, but also my golf partner for the rest of my life! Been married 32 years by the way. Hope things are headed that way for you and your Wife.
That is absolutely fantastic, and a parallel to my relationship with my wife. The best partner, has my back, never get tired of each other, and both of us want to whoop each other's ass in golf, lol.
The one thought, idea, mental image, tip etc etc, call it what you want, that worked for me was, Overhand Golfs "Holy Grail" !! In 30 years of playing and studying the swing this idea changed everything for me. Truly remarkable.
Golf Test Dummy yes, I am aware of the teachings of Ernest Jones, having purchased his book over 20 years ago. Swinging the clubhead isn't really what Overhand Golfs teaching. His " Holy Grail" swing is more in line with swinging the handle which is the teachings of Eddie Merrins, of which you will find very little on line. Thankfully, I have that book too !
@@mikewalker1885 this channel....chad has it pinned...highly recommend checkingvout the link in our comment to Ernest Jones and read carefully who all he taught and especially what he accomplished and most importantly what Horton Smith PGA president back then told Ernest after learning exactly what Ernest was giving to people for $5 a lesson indoors in the early 1900s
I can definitely agree with that. I would say though, that the "musts" in the setup are probably pretty broad. Like, balance. You need to be balanced. But how each person gets balanced can be affected by a lot of factors. So balance would be a must, but it would be hard to break it down much further without excluding a decent segment of the population. But there are some really skilled players that keep the majority of their weight on their left foot as a form of balance, whereas others find high skill levels with their weight 50/50. Of course there are always anomalies and outliers that seem to break the rules, but you're absolutely right. Getting past a certain level usually requires the fundamentals in a general sense.
I have thought about making videos for years after doing the typically taught one plane and cover the ball, to stack and tilt, could never get past my 15 handicap. This year I got tired of 18 swing thoughts and 20 range drills to feel something that is typically everyone's practice swing lol. I have dropped to a 12 handicap not bad amd still getting better. I have a few questions.... my thought is right hand take away keeping the elblw tight and then I swing with my left tricep toward the target. What is your feels you have. 2nd I do struggle to hit driver with this mentality though. I play a cut but sometimes creeps into a slice, what shot shape do you seen played most with the MDLT method?
I've always played a fairly straight ball, favoring a draw, naturally, always. I'm not sure why, but it just fits me. My feels right now can be boiled down to simply making a swing, not a hit, that bottoms out at the right spot. That's it. That simplicity has changed my game greatly.
My wife had the most free flowing golf swing when she started. 5irons just nipped off the deck. No problem. Absolutely, sick... then for whatever reason, she started to “nit-pick”. I practically begged her not to with over-the-top praise and compliments. But, it continued and was downhill from there. She rarely plays but hopefully the magic will return. Lol
Great video If we could all just clear our minds and stand over the ball and swing relaxed we'd all have more fun. You've heard the saying " one day at a time" apply that to golf " one swing at a time"....
Great video, what you think about beginners hitting their irons off a low tee? Do you have a hole for a rubber tee in your mat? On the golf channel they use some kind of tee that sits above the mat. They have them on Amazon.
@@GolfTestDummy I used the link below your video to order the mat from Amazon. I really enjoy your channel and appreciate the time and effort involved. My home full swing practice is limited to my backyard here in Florida. This practice mat looks ideal for what I need. Again appreciate your content !
Thanks Ryan. Hey, at least you live in Canada. Aside from their recent golf lockdown, you still have a ton or greatness. Moe Norman, Shawn Clement, Bryan Adams, Murdoch Mysteries.... drop the obsession with mayonnaise and you've got yourself a perfect place.
Conventional or unconventional golf swings ... the ones who promote them think they’ve found the right swing for us all but what they’ve found is what works for them and maybe just for that time and guess what ...there right ... they all work They all move the ball Just like your bride before you started to help her get “better “ she let her natural ability strike the ball and Im sure with time and without outside interference she would adapt to her irons and the other clubs She’s letting her bodies natural movement ...move Proper setup with the joints in the proper position swing a club is like watching...Iron Byron It’s all in the bones and how they move ...naturally The way God made them to move Dem bones dem bones 🦴
Hi Chad. Your wife has the best idea for certain and her swing should naturally evolve if she does not overcomplicate things for herself. Our bones and joints push and provide direction as our muscles can only pull and supply energy in everything we do in life; whether in a golf swing or walking we must simply stay balanced and do either. Right! So my 2 swing thoughts are 1 to simple push back with my lead forearm for my backswing and then 2 push harder forward with my lead forearm for my downswing. Tik/TOK That is it! And then I know for certain that all the dominoes will fall into place as well as the ‘Holy Grail’ at the top of my downswing. That’s not over complicating things; is it? ❤️⛳️😃👍Cheers
@@GolfTestDummy I agree it is time for all of us amateurs to simply swing our club back and forth. I just wanted to give you an excellent starting point that I hope you might suggest for your wife to try. I promise you the club head will meet the ball at it’s low point. It’s really that simple. 😀 Who knows she might even beat you in a game of golf sooner then you realize. 😀
@@GolfTestDummy even try it now without a golf club in your hands place your hands palms together in prayer position with both thumbs pointing straight at a 45 degree angle from both first fingers; lower your arms; and start your swing with your lead forearm pushing back and then lead forearm pushing forward. Like the rythme of a clock. Tik TOK. Cheers
@@GolfTestDummy fantastic let me know what you think. You can even do it without a club and watch everything happening altogether and without any manipulation on your or your wife’s part
Same old story. Average man has to complicate simplicity. As he has through history. Einstein spoke of it. Hogan was a complicator. Snead was not. Snead won late in life. Just saying. Good luck in your journey.
100000% correct brother....please PIN this comment and look at the link I share to Ernest Jones, who taught Manuel's father, who in turn both taught Manuel, by him watching and listening to his dad and Ernest....Ernest figured all this out after losing his leg from knee down during WW I....read ALL carefully what's said on his wiki link here, Especially the bit about his conversation with Horton Smith, Masters 1st & 3rd winner who then went on to be PGA President......Ernest also wrote an instructional book, titled "Swing the Clubhead"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Jones_(golfer) Ernest was shooting scores in the low 70s on only 1 leg on old tough courses with hickory shaft clubs too mind you!!!!! Jones also taught many of the hickory era players greats, such as Virginia Van Wie & Glenna Collett-Vare who are both still ranked among the top women golfers to ever played the game, Lawson Little and many, many more...the part I found Most interesting was what Horton Smith said to Jones after learning how truly simple Jones' methods are/were and what Smith told Jones about PGA teaching professionals NOT having work, if people truly knew how Simple golf can and should be!
Thanks so much for the comments and kudos. Check out a the video I put out with Swing the Clubhead in the title. At least I think it was last year..... or maybe 2 years ago, lol. I love the Ernest Jones story and how it traveled through other teachers like Manuel and his dad. Great stuff.
@@GolfTestDummy i will go into your uploads and search for that video brother! What still blows me away is what Ernest was doing indoors way back then @ only $5 per lesson and how many lessons he was giving to people vs all the other teachers and what Horton Smith told him....which is why 99% of all golfers have way over complicated the game! Another part of his story is the scores he was able to shoot 2 rounds after losing his leg....yet today look how few can shoot in the low 70s with both legs! If that's not proof his methods work far better....i dunno what is? Off to look through your vids for that one! Thank you for all you do and share on your channel here too...kudos to you 👊
Absolutely. Kinda reminds me of the relationship between Nikola Tesla and J P Morgan. One is about innovation and gifting to all. The other was about strip mining every person he came across and squeezing every cent out
@@GolfTestDummy Absolutely, and a perfect analogy you just shared right there too! Spot on man! Got side tracked watching EAL's Random Golf Club Films of the 3rd part of Breaking Sawgrass! Heading to your uploads to find the one you mentioned now!
MDT is the best golf teaching method out there. Luckily I have an instructor who learned from him.
I stumbled across MDLT video last Monday and loved it because I am an over analysis type of golfer. I have many different golf swings that I use my necklace method, my Ben Hogan method, my Bobby Jones method each one will work for a while then it goes south and I switch to another. But watching his video was eye-opening for me so I downloaded his book on Kindle. Three days later I go with my buddy to the golf course and I decide to keep my mind clear and only swing the Manuel method. I hit 12 out of 14 fairways. I hit drawls for the first time in 20 years. My long irons were fantastic. My only issue I was having was 789 iron full shots. I was drawling the ball too much. So while I’m searching for more videos on him, I came across your site and I’m so glad I did.
love it! golf should be this simple... i have made it soooooo difficult, getting lessons from different pros, watching different you tube instructions and filling my head with way too much! wish i could start again!
Same here for sure.
Expectations would be the key word . There is nothing wrong with wanting to be a decent weekend golfer. Easy effortless and not thinking too much can get you there. If being decent at the game is your goal then great. Just being decent at this game is not enough for some. The game to me is like a drug. I can never get enough . Even with a thorough knowledge of the golfswing I find myself looking time and time again for confirmation of my understanding. Like the weekend golfer there is nothing wrong with this mindset. Whatever makes you happy . To me it is the never ending journey to improvement. De~leitour can only take you so far.
I have dabbled with Easiest Swing (Brian Sparkes), Channel Lock and JGV swing. I am quite competent at them all despite being 89 years old.
However I have introduced one protocol of my own with all swings and it is this. I always pick a spot about l inch in front of the ball and stare at this all the way through impact.I only think of this one swing thought when I am over the ball. No swing thoughts at all while swinging. Just keep my eye one inch in front of the ball. IT WORKS every time -for me. The instructions and protocols for all 3 swings have been easy to learn but the only
protocol which works with the established ones for me is this one which I use without fail. Loving to see you back Chad.,thoroughly enjoy your honest
advi9ce and comments. Hope you and your family are well and safe.
Bob its funny you say that, because my best strikes are always when my eyes and intentions are about 2 inches in front of the ball.
The K.I.S.S. method is always best, but it’s easier said than done. Kudos to your wife for having the external thought of where she wants the ball to go and swinging in that direction. I’m like you, I analyze the hell out of things, so my brain is constantly racing swing thoughts searching for the perfect positions, which, of course, screws me up. I’m currently working on just thinking about a timing count of 1 - 2. So far so good. It does eliminate all of those unnecessary swing thoughts that can and will ruin your swing. Keep improving brother.
You said it. Easier said than done. Especially for an overthinker like me.
Manuel de la Torre’s swing is the simplest and easy to repeat. Been using it for a year and have had amazing results. Down to a 10 hip.
He really knew how to make it easy, and get your brain screwed on straight.
It really is that simple. So good.
Awesome mate! Great content
Thanks GLA!
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Nice video. Along these lines, I am glad your Wife is enjoying it and getting excited to play. I taught my Wife to play about six years ago. All my Buddies were telling me it was a mistake, but it's been the best thing I ever did. She picked it up fast, I basically taught here Stack and Tilt, and she can score in the 80's regularly. We play in tournaments and beat the guys all the time. I also have a great partner to play with when we go on vacations. We base our vacations on were we want to play golf now. I not only have my partner for the rest of my life, but also my golf partner for the rest of my life! Been married 32 years by the way. Hope things are headed that way for you and your Wife.
That is absolutely fantastic, and a parallel to my relationship with my wife. The best partner, has my back, never get tired of each other, and both of us want to whoop each other's ass in golf, lol.
Nice content well explained great example. Keep it up.
do your self a favor and have a look at our comment just left on the channel....seriously worth your time & efforts...
The one thought, idea, mental image, tip etc etc, call it what you want, that worked for me was, Overhand Golfs "Holy Grail" !! In 30 years of playing and studying the swing this idea changed everything for me.
Truly remarkable.
do your self a favor and have a look at our comment just left on the channel....seriously worth your time & efforts...
@@SurprizedDaily what channel ? Overhand Golfs channel ?
Eddie he left a link in the comments on this video about Ernest Jones.
Golf Test Dummy yes, I am aware of the teachings of Ernest Jones, having purchased his book over 20 years ago. Swinging the clubhead isn't really what Overhand Golfs teaching. His " Holy Grail" swing is more in line with swinging the handle which is the teachings of Eddie Merrins, of which you will find very little on line. Thankfully, I have that book too !
@@mikewalker1885 this channel....chad has it pinned...highly recommend checkingvout the link in our comment to Ernest Jones and read carefully who all he taught and especially what he accomplished and most importantly what Horton Smith PGA president back then told Ernest after learning exactly what Ernest was giving to people for $5 a lesson indoors in the early 1900s
A favorite quote I heard Trevino say in an interview about amateur golfers was they swing like they are afraid to hit the ground.
Yes sir, Lee has always been one of my absolute favorites, and he had the best no nonsense, simple advice.
Good video.
There's definitely setup and swing things that if not done properly, would prevent a person from ever developing their skill past a 20 hcp.
I can definitely agree with that. I would say though, that the "musts" in the setup are probably pretty broad. Like, balance. You need to be balanced. But how each person gets balanced can be affected by a lot of factors. So balance would be a must, but it would be hard to break it down much further without excluding a decent segment of the population. But there are some really skilled players that keep the majority of their weight on their left foot as a form of balance, whereas others find high skill levels with their weight 50/50. Of course there are always anomalies and outliers that seem to break the rules, but you're absolutely right. Getting past a certain level usually requires the fundamentals in a general sense.
I have thought about making videos for years after doing the typically taught one plane and cover the ball, to stack and tilt, could never get past my 15 handicap. This year I got tired of 18 swing thoughts and 20 range drills to feel something that is typically everyone's practice swing lol. I have dropped to a 12 handicap not bad amd still getting better. I have a few questions.... my thought is right hand take away keeping the elblw tight and then I swing with my left tricep toward the target. What is your feels you have. 2nd I do struggle to hit driver with this mentality though. I play a cut but sometimes creeps into a slice, what shot shape do you seen played most with the MDLT method?
I've always played a fairly straight ball, favoring a draw, naturally, always. I'm not sure why, but it just fits me. My feels right now can be boiled down to simply making a swing, not a hit, that bottoms out at the right spot. That's it. That simplicity has changed my game greatly.
My wife had the most free flowing golf swing when she started. 5irons just nipped off the deck. No problem. Absolutely, sick... then for whatever reason, she started to “nit-pick”. I practically begged her not to with over-the-top praise and compliments. But, it continued and was downhill from there. She rarely plays but hopefully the magic will return. Lol
Once you open the Pandoras Box and start messing with things...... you up like me, and you cry yourself to sleep, lol.
Great video
If we could all just clear our minds and stand over the ball and swing relaxed we'd all have more fun. You've heard the saying " one day at a time" apply that to golf " one swing at a time"....
Damn straight
do your self a favor and have a look at our comment just left on the channel....seriously worth your time & efforts...
Great video, what you think about beginners hitting their irons off a low tee? Do you have a hole for a rubber tee in your mat? On the golf channel they use some kind of tee that sits above the mat. They have them on Amazon.
I actually did a review of a small hitting mat that happens to have that very thing.
do your self a favor and have a look at our comment just left on the channel....seriously worth your time & efforts...
@@GolfTestDummy I used the link
below your video to order the mat from Amazon. I really enjoy your channel and appreciate the time and effort involved. My home full swing practice is limited to my backyard here in Florida. This practice mat looks ideal for what I need. Again appreciate your content !
Ken you're a legend. Thanks so much for that.
Why I have switched to the RSS. The most simple, consistent, powerful swing I have found.
RSS?
@@jawjuh1005 right sided swing. Gary Edwin.
The Right Sided Swing from Gary Edwin
@@FarnzworthIII ah. Thx.
@@jawjuh1005 there isn’t a better system out there. I’ve tried them all over the last 20.
I miss golfing 🥺.. thanks for the video though
🇨🇦? Hopefully you get the green light soon. Fingers crossed.
@@GolfTestDummy freakin Ontario Canada.. only place left on earth where you can't play golf.. love your videos
Thanks Ryan. Hey, at least you live in Canada. Aside from their recent golf lockdown, you still have a ton or greatness. Moe Norman, Shawn Clement, Bryan Adams, Murdoch Mysteries.... drop the obsession with mayonnaise and you've got yourself a perfect place.
Are you still working with Shawn Clement? Are you still using that swing methodology?
Pretty much, yes. I employed a lot of his teachings and put my own spin on it.
Conventional or unconventional golf swings ... the ones who promote them think they’ve found the right swing for us all but what they’ve found is what works for them and maybe just for that time and guess what ...there right ... they all work
They all move the ball
Just like your bride before you started to help her get
“better “ she let her natural ability strike the ball and Im sure with time and without outside interference she would adapt to her irons and the other clubs
She’s letting her bodies natural movement ...move
Proper setup with the joints in the proper position swing a club is like watching...Iron Byron
It’s all in the bones and how they move ...naturally
The way God made them to move
Dem bones dem bones 🦴
do your self a favor and have a look at our comment just left on the channel....seriously worth your time & efforts...
Hi Chad. Your wife has the best idea for certain and her swing should naturally evolve if she does not overcomplicate things for herself.
Our bones and joints push and provide direction as our muscles can only pull and supply energy in everything we do in life; whether in a golf swing or walking we must simply stay balanced and do either. Right!
So my 2 swing thoughts are 1 to simple push back with my lead forearm for my backswing and then 2 push harder forward with my lead forearm for my downswing. Tik/TOK That is it! And then I know for certain that all the dominoes will fall into place as well as the ‘Holy Grail’ at the top of my downswing. That’s not over complicating things; is it? ❤️⛳️😃👍Cheers
As long as its simple, I think it gives us the best chance to repeat it. My faulty wiring over complicates and gets in the way too often.
@@GolfTestDummy I agree it is time for all of us amateurs to simply swing our club back and forth. I just wanted to give you an excellent starting point that I hope you might suggest for your wife to try. I promise you the club head will meet the ball at it’s low point. It’s really that simple. 😀
Who knows she might even beat you in a game of golf sooner then you realize. 😀
I think we will both try it. 😀
@@GolfTestDummy even try it now without a golf club in your hands place your hands palms together in prayer position with both thumbs pointing straight at a 45 degree angle from both first fingers; lower your arms; and start your swing with your lead forearm pushing back and then lead forearm pushing forward. Like the rythme of a clock. Tik TOK. Cheers
@@GolfTestDummy fantastic let me know what you think. You can even do it without a club and watch everything happening altogether and without any manipulation on your or your wife’s part
Same old story. Average man has to complicate simplicity. As he has through history. Einstein spoke of it. Hogan was a complicator. Snead was not. Snead won late in life. Just saying. Good luck in your journey.
Sorry Chad. Actually I am 79 years old. The rest is true.lol.
She found her natural swing, as it should be. Now tell her not to go down the youtube swing rabbit hole and become a junky like the rest of us.
Oh, we've had that conversation for sure. I play that on repeat.
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Thank you Ron Sisson! 🏌🏼♀️
Big influence on me.
do your self a favor and have a look at our comment just left on the channel....seriously worth your time & efforts...