Swing the club with my upper arms. Don't worry about turning my shoulders to any particular degree. Keep the club head square to my body during the swing. On the backswing feel free to swing hard. The momentum of the club itself will shift my weight to the trail side. The momentum of the downswing will shift my weight to my lead side for my classic finish. After 40 years I now know how to swing a club and will ignore all the bullshit from the rest of the PGA teachers. Thank a million for posting this remarkable teacher. 👍👍👍👍👍🙂❤️🤗
I wish I could shake his hand. I am 46 years old just getting back into the game after not playing for 8 years. I played professionally in the mid 2000's and even hold a course record in California. However....my lack of consistency was ridiculous and if my timing was off forget it. I damn near drove myself crazy recently trying to find the "key" to my swing....which meant something new every week. After watching this video last month it all made sense, and I have never swung the club better.....and so easily without 3 or 4 different thoughts. I may even have a go at the senior stuff in a few years lol. Thank you for this!
This is gold. Haven’t been above 76 since watching this. Simplified all my thoughts. I’m thankful for all the questions these guys had because it really allowed Manuel to articulate what he was trying to convey to his students. He was trying to end this session when the real gold came out
I’m 76 & off 2 and have played all over the world and been with or listened to The so called best teachers from wherever... wish I’d seen this or had been to him 50 years ago... simplest explanation of the swing ever ... 👏👏👏
Greetings...To the men/women/youth/devotees of Manuel's teachings. This video did not initially "sink in" until watching the above video a couple of times. There is so much knowledge here...that I wasn't aware of really what Manuel was saying. Then listening and watching numerous times, this video is so beneficial and always a guide to fall back on!!! Thank you, John Hayes...thank you Manuel/ Angel and Earnest Jones. A very "Special" thank you to Manuel de la Torre. Kindness from Australia.
I don't play golf, but I do play violin. And it's the same issue - the teachers make the bow-stroke exotically complicated. This concept of simply swinging the arm and keeping it simple is fundamental enough to be valuable in many other applications!
Watched these videos last week and today I took my first lesson from an instructor that learned from Manuel. The lesson was so common sense driven that by the end of the lesson, I was convinced of two things. 1. golf is a great game. 2. Golf is not complicated. We make it harder than it really is. What priceless lesson.
He's very good isn't he. I think he struggles a bit with the explanation though and over complicates it. Shawn Clement would have loved to discuss golf with this guy I bet. Clement knows how to explain it all and what Manuel is trying to say and why, due to our task, which is to throw the club at the target basically or cut grass/dandelion stems with the bottom of the club. Just put a ball in the way.
Have a look at and read of the following....highly recommend checking out the wiki link at the end of this comment folks......Ernest Jones was a very successful teacher back after WWI when he lost his right leg from the knee down, yet was still able to shoot great scores (83 on 1 leg, his first round playing after losing part of his right leg! then a 72 after on a long tough course) Checkout the iki link below! Our bodies know the "hows" as soon as our minds give it a 'task' and as so many say, "paint the picture of what we want in our mind", then it's as simple as allowing the body to produce the right motions to get the 'task' at hand(s) done! Ernest Jones taught many of the greats back in his day, most notable being Glenna Collett-Vare who some of the best say was even better than Babe Zaharias, he also taught the likes of Betty Hicks, Horton Smith, Lawson Little and others. The mental pictures we paint in the minds eye, imho is the biggest key to the golf swings puzzle! Not one human on earth has to think about which muscles do what in hammering a nail, walking, talking, swinging any other object, yet golf, far too many seem to want to over complicate everything, by 'thinking' about all that babbling being said by so many teachers out there! Ernest Jones was saying the following back in the early 1900s - - The drastic simplicity of his approach to golf instruction met with rancor and objection when he was invited by the PGA (Professional Golfers' Association of America) to present his work. Horton Smith, then the incoming president of the association, told Jones his system was "..too simple. We wouldn't sell enough lessons." Jones responded, "That's the trouble, you want your students to keep on suffering. Once you get your people to swing the clubhead they will improve." Perhaps much to the PGA's chagrin, whereas an average pro would have given about 600 lessons a year, Jones would give many times that number.[3] One of Jones' devotees was Angel de la Torre who in turn taught this approach to his son Manuel de la Torre. These two professionals alone would add thousands to the list golfers who benefited from a "club-focused" approach to golf. Jones often said, "The trouble with the teaching of golf, is that one is taught what a swing produces [body movement], instead of how to produce a swing [club movement]." Manuel de la Torre was the preeminent authority on the Ernest Jones approach and further developed it in his teaching. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Jones_(golfer)
Wish I stumbled upon this during my junior golf days. Would have saved me countless hours of immediate range sessions after a bad round. This should be one of the first videos watched for all junior golfers who're just starting
I have incorporated his teaching in my swing it's almost magical how well my ball striking has improved as long as I leave it alone from the top still a work in progress
I gotta say the same. Yesterday I played and was just experimenting/practicing. I felt I was swinging but felt "tied" up. From Manuel's book, I took a picture of the swing concept and saved it to my favorites on my phone. So I just tried to swing the club over my shoulder then over to the other shoulder. I started hitting really well but what it showed me is that I had been bringing the club around on the backswing rather just swinging it up over my shoulder. The freedom in the swing I experienced was instant. It's so simple. I'm a 3 handicap and was a pro for 15 years. The body responds to the swing. I've made it too difficult for myself.
I have watched this video too many times to count. This has to be the best instruction (especially for beginners) that I have come across on the internet or anywhere else for that matter. What a fantastic teacher he was. Thank you so much for sharing these videos.
To me the most important concept in this entire lesson was the part where he said something like "my job is to move the club.....I don't have to worry about the ball, that's not my job" or task or whatever it was he said. This is the real key. He was NEVER talking about HITTING a golf ball. He only talked about SWINGING a CLUB.
Love this. This is real golf instruction. All this stuff they teach these days is just garbage. Modern golf instruction steals your money and the joy of the game.
I come from 2020, and I do confirm this is how to swing clubs. If you master these, you can do whatever you want. People nowadays are come up with way too much body movement. the lower body must support upper body. that is the key.
I've watched this video and played 4 rounds trying to incorporate his thought process. It's so simple and powerful when you just place the club over each shoulder as he explains using arms correctly. I found that I'm aiming better and the dang ball just goes where I set up to. I'm getting better at trusting it because if you try to hit the ball it's not a smooth swing. I wish Manuel had many coaches that learned this method and still taught it today. He was truly a charismatic gentleman.
Guys and gals. I shot my lowest tound in my life today. This guy is a genius. Just simple stuff. So I just listened and thought of one thing at the start of my round and viola! Effortless golf. Thanks.
Fantastic. Wish I had seen this 30 years ago. Got the Ernest jones book plus Manuels book recently and this concept seems to simplify the swing enormously.
Yesterday I went to the driving range. I swung the way I normally do and the results were the usual - 175 yards with my 7 iron with a dispersion of around 40 yards. Ball striking was rather inconsistent. Today I went to the driving range after discovering this video. I watched it intently three times in a row and then applied at the range what Manuel was trying to convey to his students. I hit my 7 iron on average 190 yards and my dispersion was around 20 yards. Ball striking was far more consistent. In essence, I added 20 yards to my distance and halved my dispersion in one practice session. It’s the happiest I’ve ever felt walking off the range. Pay attention to what this man is trying to teach you, I’m not saying you’ll hit your 7 iron 190 yards but if you apply this technique, you might just find the consistency you’ve been looking for. Good luck guys and gals. Cheers.
The You Tube teaching videos are a great and important supplement to de la Torre's book "Understanding The Golf Swing" and the videos therein-primarily because there is a dialog beyween instructor and student. Please keep them posted.
I'm reading his book right now. Thanks so much for this wonderful video. I got back into golf last year and have been following a more technical book/theory. That has really helped, but Manny and Ernest Jones work help to simplify things and stop me from thinking too much.
Just got his book also. Love how easy he makes it. Would have loved to take a lesson from him. Leave your wrist and hands alone. Man they release beautifully when you don't try to move them. I think that why a practice swing is so smooth but then you get tense and use your hands on the down swing. Trust that you only move your arms on the down swing. The contact is so much better and no unintentional slice or hook.
Great teacher,sadly no longer with us,played for many years,hadn,t realised that the body responds to the swinging of the arms taking the club over right shoulder in backswing and over left shoulder in through swing,it,s so simple.S/J.senior golfer.
Great stuff. Every once in a while I am playing and I really get the concept - then my dopey brain takes over and I start thinking about body parts moving. Darn. Move the ball to the target - just do it!
Garret Mack at Western lakes golf club in Pewaukee WI was an assistant to Manuel and still teaches these concepts today. I got lucky and found him by chance at my local facility. I still can’t putt, but I’m hitting the ball pretty good these days.
I have just come across the video, the character, the teacher and the person (being Spanish, my very little knowledge of golf went back to Seve only...). I have been 8 months now into golf. Still lots of things are work in progress and I struggle a lot. I am taking his concepts with me next time I am going to the range and will try to assimilate them and put them in practice.
Thank you for posting this series of videos. I wish I had found them two years ago when I just started but I have had actual fun correcting what the pros have taught me.
It seems like they're even arguing with him on some points. Aside from swinging down with the arms instead of the hands, this is right out of the Jones book..
complexity seeks order through addition, simplicity seeks it through subtraction. Most people have a built-in bias toward addition instead of subtraction. For some reason, the concept of more comes naturally to us
Wouldn’t Mac be the diametric opposite of Del Torre. I mean if you said to Manuel “you’re way out of position at p3” he would look at you like you had two heads haha
Hmmm. What makes it harder is we get in the way of the free swing! Manuel reminds me of Fuzzy Zoeller, keeping it simple like Moe, and his teaching is what I saw in Tom Watsons swing while I was on a tee box with him.
When Manuel wrapped his arms around the golfer’s arm to prove that the hands can’t swing the club on the downswing, the same demonstration can be done with similar result on the backswing. I’m going to keep it simple and focus my intentions on my hands like Earnest Jones. Feel is not necessarily real so the two styles may very well be the same.
Manuel stated that you swing with the arms. Mr. Jones said that you swing with the hands and fingers. I "swing" like neither stated. I start the swing by turning to my right, from there my hands pick up the motion of the club. My hands are the only thing in contact with the club so they are where the message to my brain originates. No one can tell you how it feels when the club is swung. You have to learn it by doing it. Most golfers hit a golf ball by using leverage. Swinging is totally different. Your last sentence summed it all up pretty good.
Amazing that a group of people just can't understand something sooooo simple. They are spinning their heads trying to complicate what he said. He explained the swing in 2 minutes demonstrating with that kid and in 20 seconds showed how the arms get the club back to the ball then everyone wants to spend 45 minutes complicating it as if they did not listen to a single thing he said or witnessed his demonstrations.
If you are a serious golfer and don’t understand Manual philosophy on how to swing the club and have a positive attitude on the course you will always struggle playing the game.
I was 22 in 87 and this is bringing back memories of playing my Spaulding Top flight 1,3,4,5 woods. The game of never ending frustration but also rewarding at times.
Wow. Golfers haven't changed at all. Why do we want to over-complicate things so much? The gallery is almost refusing to listen to him. "yeah but what muscles in the back are you using?" . The man has incredible patience and he is talking truth.
They are just trying to determine what muscles add power presumable so that they can add distance through exercise, at least that's how I took that line of questioning.
To summerize What he is saying just swing the darn club up and then down as fast as u can and if you are relaxed the body Will find the best way for you- so being relaxed is the key and just stay away from doing anything yourself let the body feel whats the right swing for you and everyones body has a different swing so just feel instead of think and the perfect swing Will unfold. Your body already knows how to Do that augomatically if u just let your body find its natural way of swinging if you are focusing on making correct hip motion or anything else you Will tense and your body cant Do whats right hence Thats What he means when he says let your arms move freely without interrupting
Everyone knows reals vs feels are usually different. Most newer golfer are automatically right hand dominate, that causes all shorts of issues including casting and over the top. Both hands are very much used together but most people are going to have much more success focusing on lead (left) hand control. It’s like pulling a trailer vs pushing it, there’s no stability pushing. So when most people try and swing lead hand dominate, they end up using both hands equality, especially for most who let their right hand be dominate unconsciously. Each player is different and require unique feels but generally speaking feeling your lead side pull is going to have much more success than a trail hand push. It’s been shown with high tech motion capturing equipment and is the feeling many many great players have. Personally I’ve felt lead hand control for over 25 years now playing to a + (better than scratch) handicap. I might have some more right hand feel for flops, high shots, hooks, etc. my right hand is working just as hard but as far as squaring the club face and controlling trajectory’s and shapes, lead hand is king while trail (right) hand is just there to add speed and stability. ⛳️🧙♂️💭
I love this swing concept and I’ve been working through it. One difficulty I’m having is when I swing the club back at the top of my swing my left wrist cups instead of flexing naturally like I’ve seen in others that have applied this technique. How do I swing the club back and have the lead wrist flex naturally instead of cupping?
Brandon, does you ball generally go to your target when your left wrist cups at the end of the backswing? If so, I would say that it's nothing to worry about.
Look here (from about 2:00 to 3:20): th-cam.com/video/F-hYlxnB5OM/w-d-xo.html. I think this is what he was saying (which he basically repeats after the edit).
the worst think that can happen to a person in golf is to get lessons from a bad driving range pro. Worse than a bad dentist.. I had a guy tell me ide hit it further if I didn't use my arms as much,,,,can you believe that...mess me up for a long time.. Thank you for your reinforcement Manuel
One of the faults in traditional golf swing is taking the club too much to the inside in backswing.If i take club back and place it over my right shoulder have i solved the problem.S/J .
He tells you everything you need to know about the golf swing in the first minute and a half. This method would put golf instructors out of business (I believe the audience here are instructors if I'm not mistaken).
He started to explain coil and was interrupted. In his book he says, "Coil is the result of swinging the club over the shoulder with the hands in the backswing with the wrists extremely free. If the wrists are firm, there can be no coil." Is the "coil" the body coil, shoulders turning and hips staying or something different? Thanks, Tim
Tim, I took lessons from Manuel for the last 10 years of his life. Sure wish I'd found him sooner. As to your question I know that he felt the coil involved the reaction of the wrists, hands, and golf club to the momentum of the backswing. As far as the body he believed that it simply responds to the motion of the swinging elements (hands, arms, club) throughout the swing.
@@briano6268thanks brian…i just got back to this again. Dan Martin is teaching some of the same things, with the extension similar to a spiral and the club (and your hands and arms) extending away from your center.
He starts to talk about coil, at about 16.19 and he says, "and the coil is..." and someone interrupts. What is the coil? Is he talking about the coil of the body? Does he want the arms to start the down swing, but the coil remain? Or is he saying the cocked wrists stay cocked? Any help would be appreciated. TPH
The coil he is referring to is the reaction from taking the club at address to the top of your shoulders. Its the shoulder and hip rotation going back, which is triggered by first the hands (takeaway) and then the arms (at top of the backswing). Yes, he (and not only him, but countless old school instructors) wants you to start the downswing with your arms to return the clubface to its original spot at address and gravity + physics will take care of the rest. Its pretty simple concept but extremely effective. "Swing back and then return the club to its original spot." He doesn't care about bowing of the left wrist or "swinging out to Right field" like many instructors teach today. "Swing back, swing through".Doesnt matter what you did or at what speed, just make sure you do the same going down. Downswing should always start with the arms like Sergio Garcia's father always said. "Like you are ringing a bell from the top" or Jack's "want my club to reach the ball before the buttons on my shirt". Golf is really a simple game in terms of the physics but because everyone is different in terms of height/weight.. swing plane will be different golfer to golfer. Modern instructors over analyze this but the concept has never changed for over 800 years.
22:16 Amazing how Manuel breaks down he arms/forearm/wrist. I've never seen teaching like this. Use your arms and let gravity pull the forearms and wrist through. That's what we all do with a practice swing. If we could only trust to do the same thing at the ball. I think once around I do it correctly and that's when I say " Wow that was effort less and it went so straight". If you don't fight the club and gravity you almost play effortless golf and wont hurt your back. Cant wait to play again this Spring.
Simplified golf, yes. Manuel just seems to not include the major role of the hands, since 80+ of the sensory and motor cortex is devoted to the hands and the face; necessary in our evolution to bring food to our faces Ref cortical homunculus. The rest of the body will support and balance the intent of the hands, especially during complex chain action movements, that happen too fast for conscious control.eg DS
This man is brilliant! I'm sick to death about "positions" P1, P2, P whatever. There are no such things as positions in a fluid motion. and you damn sure can't determine a position in the 1.5 seconds it takes to make a swing.
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Swing the club with my upper arms. Don't worry about turning my shoulders to any particular degree. Keep the club head square to my body during the swing. On the backswing feel free to swing hard. The momentum of the club itself will shift my weight to the trail side. The momentum of the downswing will shift my weight to my lead side for my classic finish. After 40 years I now know how to swing a club and will ignore all the bullshit from the rest of the PGA teachers. Thank a million for posting this remarkable teacher. 👍👍👍👍👍🙂❤️🤗
I wish I could shake his hand. I am 46 years old just getting back into the game after not playing for 8 years. I played professionally in the mid 2000's and even hold a course record in California. However....my lack of consistency was ridiculous and if my timing was off forget it. I damn near drove myself crazy recently trying to find the "key" to my swing....which meant something new every week. After watching this video last month it all made sense, and I have never swung the club better.....and so easily without 3 or 4 different thoughts. I may even have a go at the senior stuff in a few years lol. Thank you for this!
This is gold. Haven’t been above 76 since watching this. Simplified all my thoughts. I’m thankful for all the questions these guys had because it really allowed Manuel to articulate what he was trying to convey to his students. He was trying to end this session when the real gold came out
I’m 76 & off 2 and have played all over the world and been with or listened to The so called best teachers from wherever... wish I’d seen this or had been to him 50 years ago... simplest explanation of the swing ever ... 👏👏👏
Manuel is right on. Most instructors complicate the swing to make you come back for more lessons, that’s how most make their living.
Greetings...To the men/women/youth/devotees of Manuel's teachings. This video did not initially "sink in" until watching the above video a couple of times. There is so much knowledge here...that I wasn't aware of really what Manuel was saying. Then listening and watching numerous times, this video is so beneficial and always a guide to fall back on!!!
Thank you, John Hayes...thank you Manuel/ Angel and Earnest Jones. A very "Special" thank you to Manuel de la Torre. Kindness from Australia.
The goat of youtube golf lesson videos.
I don't play golf, but I do play violin. And it's the same issue - the teachers make the bow-stroke exotically complicated. This concept of simply swinging the arm and keeping it simple is fundamental enough to be valuable in many other applications!
Watched these videos last week and today I took my first lesson from an instructor that learned from Manuel. The lesson was so common sense driven that by the end of the lesson, I was convinced of two things. 1. golf is a great game. 2. Golf is not complicated. We make it harder than it really is. What priceless lesson.
This is unbelievably good stuff. It keeps it simple but not simplistic. Love his clarification of the arms in the swing. Worth it for just that.
amen
This reminds me of the lessons I got as a kid. He was taught taught by Ernest Jones. Thanks for posting
Great video from De la Torre. Fantastic spanish teacher. Natural golf.
Best teacher of golf ever but will be forgotten by the majority of golfers because it's just too simple. Ironic.
Absolutely
Simple my ass! Talk about a convoluted bunch of nonsense.
He's very good isn't he. I think he struggles a bit with the explanation though and over complicates it. Shawn Clement would have loved to discuss golf with this guy I bet. Clement knows how to explain it all and what Manuel is trying to say and why, due to our task, which is to throw the club at the target basically or cut grass/dandelion stems with the bottom of the club. Just put a ball in the way.
Have a look at and read of the following....highly recommend checking out the wiki link at the end of this comment folks......Ernest Jones was a very successful teacher back after WWI when he lost his right leg from the knee down, yet was still able to shoot great scores (83 on 1 leg, his first round playing after losing part of his right leg! then a 72 after on a long tough course) Checkout the iki link below! Our bodies know the "hows" as soon as our minds give it a 'task' and as so many say, "paint the picture of what we want in our mind", then it's as simple as allowing the body to produce the right motions to get the 'task' at hand(s) done! Ernest Jones taught many of the greats back in his day, most notable being Glenna Collett-Vare who some of the best say was even better than Babe Zaharias, he also taught the likes of Betty Hicks, Horton Smith, Lawson Little and others. The mental pictures we paint in the minds eye, imho is the biggest key to the golf swings puzzle! Not one human on earth has to think about which muscles do what in hammering a nail, walking, talking, swinging any other object, yet golf, far too many seem to want to over complicate everything, by 'thinking' about all that babbling being said by so many teachers out there! Ernest Jones was saying the following back in the early 1900s - -
The drastic simplicity of his approach to golf instruction met with rancor and objection when he was invited by the PGA (Professional Golfers' Association of America) to present his work. Horton Smith, then the incoming president of the association, told Jones his system was "..too simple. We wouldn't sell enough lessons." Jones responded, "That's the trouble, you want your students to keep on suffering. Once you get your people to swing the clubhead they will improve." Perhaps much to the PGA's chagrin, whereas an average pro would have given about 600 lessons a year, Jones would give many times that number.[3] One of Jones' devotees was Angel de la Torre who in turn taught this approach to his son Manuel de la Torre. These two professionals alone would add thousands to the list golfers who benefited from a "club-focused" approach to golf. Jones often said, "The trouble with the teaching of golf, is that one is taught what a swing produces [body movement], instead of how to produce a swing [club movement]." Manuel de la Torre was the preeminent authority on the Ernest Jones approach and further developed it in his teaching. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Jones_(golfer)
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Wish I stumbled upon this during my junior golf days. Would have saved me countless hours of immediate range sessions after a bad round. This should be one of the first videos watched for all junior golfers who're just starting
I have incorporated his teaching in my swing it's almost magical how well my ball striking has improved as long as I leave it alone from the top still a work in progress
I gotta say the same. Yesterday I played and was just experimenting/practicing. I felt I was swinging but felt "tied" up. From Manuel's book, I took a picture of the swing concept and saved it to my favorites on my phone. So I just tried to swing the club over my shoulder then over to the other shoulder. I started hitting really well but what it showed me is that I had been bringing the club around on the backswing rather just swinging it up over my shoulder. The freedom in the swing I experienced was instant. It's so simple. I'm a 3 handicap and was a pro for 15 years. The body responds to the swing. I've made it too difficult for myself.
I have watched this video too many times to count. This has to be the best instruction (especially for beginners) that I have come across on the internet or anywhere else for that matter. What a fantastic teacher he was. Thank you so much for sharing these videos.
For EVERYONE!
what an amazing instructor he was! I am so fortunate to have an instructor today that was mentored by him and teaches the MDT method
Do you have his or her name? Posts on you tube?
To me the most important concept in this entire lesson was the part where he said something like "my job is to move the club.....I don't have to worry about the ball, that's not my job" or task or whatever it was he said. This is the real key. He was NEVER talking about HITTING a golf ball. He only talked about SWINGING a CLUB.
Great posts John - one of the true greats in golf instruction and relatively unknown. Simple golf = great golf 👍
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Love this. This is real golf instruction. All this stuff they teach these days is just garbage. Modern golf instruction steals your money and the joy of the game.
I come from 2020, and I do confirm this is how to swing clubs. If you master these, you can do whatever you want. People nowadays are come up with way too much body movement.
the lower body must support upper body. that is the key.
I've watched this video and played 4 rounds trying to incorporate his thought process. It's so simple and powerful when you just place the club over each shoulder as he explains using arms correctly. I found that I'm aiming better and the dang ball just goes where I set up to. I'm getting better at trusting it because if you try to hit the ball it's not a smooth swing. I wish Manuel had many coaches that learned this method and still taught it today. He was truly a charismatic gentleman.
Guys and gals. I shot my lowest tound in my life today. This guy is a genius. Just simple stuff. So I just listened and thought of one thing at the start of my round and viola! Effortless golf. Thanks.
Manuel de la torre was probably the best instructor ever!
Absolutely him and Ernest Jones
Fantastic. Wish I had seen this 30 years ago. Got the Ernest jones book plus Manuels book recently and this concept seems to simplify the swing enormously.
Thank you for posting this. Manual was the first teacher I had. Caddie golf lessons every Tuesday at Milwaukee CC when I was 11
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Yesterday I went to the driving range. I swung the way I normally do and the results were the usual - 175 yards with my 7 iron with a dispersion of around 40 yards. Ball striking was rather inconsistent. Today I went to the driving range after discovering this video. I watched it intently three times in a row and then applied at the range what Manuel was trying to convey to his students. I hit my 7 iron on average 190 yards and my dispersion was around 20 yards. Ball striking was far more consistent. In essence, I added 20 yards to my distance and halved my dispersion in one practice session. It’s the happiest I’ve ever felt walking off the range. Pay attention to what this man is trying to teach you, I’m not saying you’ll hit your 7 iron 190 yards but if you apply this technique, you might just find the consistency you’ve been looking for. Good luck guys and gals. Cheers.
Wow.. 190 7 iron... please post your data... not saying you didnt hit this.. just would love to see your better than Tour av data.
@@mikebarnard2689 Precisely my thoughts. Sounds like a fantasy merchant that can’t distinguish between 150 yards and 190 yards
@@donharrold1375 everyone thinks they can easily carry a 7 iron 150 yds… possibly now with cranked lofts.. but most can’t .
Nice kick save at 15:06…. Really wish I would’ve saw this 20 years ago. So much good stuff here
This is the best golf instruction ever in the world
The You Tube teaching videos are a great and important supplement to de la Torre's book "Understanding The Golf Swing" and the videos therein-primarily because there is a dialog beyween instructor and student. Please keep them posted.
Thought I saw Spaulding from Caddy Shack in the group.
I'm reading his book right now. Thanks so much for this wonderful video. I got back into golf last year and have been following a more technical book/theory. That has really helped, but Manny and Ernest Jones work help to simplify things and stop me from thinking too much.
Just got his book also. Love how easy he makes it. Would have loved to take a lesson from him.
Leave your wrist and hands alone. Man they release beautifully when you don't try to move them. I think that why a practice swing is so smooth but then you get tense and use your hands on the down swing. Trust that you only move your arms on the down swing. The contact is so much better and no unintentional slice or hook.
Great teacher,sadly no longer with us,played for many years,hadn,t realised that the body responds to the swinging of the arms taking the club over right shoulder in backswing and over left shoulder in through swing,it,s so simple.S/J.senior golfer.
Great stuff. Every once in a while I am playing and I really get the concept - then my dopey brain takes over and I start thinking about body parts moving. Darn. Move the ball to the target - just do it!
Garret Mack at Western lakes golf club in Pewaukee WI was an assistant to Manuel and still teaches these concepts today. I got lucky and found him by chance at my local facility. I still can’t putt, but I’m hitting the ball pretty good these days.
Just came across this channel this guy is amazing
Absolutely brilliant in it's simplicity.
I have just come across the video, the character, the teacher and the person (being Spanish, my very little knowledge of golf went back to Seve only...). I have been 8 months now into golf. Still lots of things are work in progress and I struggle a lot. I am taking his concepts with me next time I am going to the range and will try to assimilate them and put them in practice.
This is an amazing video. So simple. The concept of how the arms work in the swing alone 🤯 how come this isn't more commonly known or discussed??
You can't make so much money teaching a simple technique. If you make it complicated, students keep coming back to get things fixed!
Thank you John!
Thank you for posting this series of videos. I wish I had found them two years ago when I just started but I have had actual fun correcting what the pros have taught me.
This is like a Friday Afternoon staff meeting! A simple explanation of a concept is given. Then people ask 1250 unnecessary questions:) ha ha ha
dpardo74 that was brilliantly stated 👍🏼. It’s painful getting through these videos with all the “yeah buts”
It seems like they're even arguing with him on some points. Aside from swinging down with the arms instead of the hands, this is right out of the Jones book..
The group don’t realise they’re there to listen and copy not to quiz and ask redundant questions
Yep, that's what I think. He was wasting his time on most of those guys.
Thanks for posting this. Great insight.
complexity seeks order through addition, simplicity seeks it through subtraction. Most people have a built-in bias toward addition instead of subtraction. For some reason, the concept of more comes naturally to us
.. the thought process is a dissecting process, it’s not wholistic. The sum of the parts is not the whole apparently 😳
Fantastic teacher.. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Great teacher,as he keeps I simple,no stupid terminology about pronation ect.
For the recreational golfer, nothing works better than Manuel’s method. KISS!
John,
This was a fun program
JLD
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Whenever I start playing bad and over complicate my swing, I come back to this gem.
Thanks for sharing these. If there's more, please post them!
How is Mr. de la Torre not on the front page of every golf magazine and book ever!! Mac, de la Torre and Norman FTW.
Wouldn’t Mac be the diametric opposite of Del Torre. I mean if you said to Manuel “you’re way out of position at p3” he would look at you like you had two heads haha
that,s gold, manuel, gold!!!!!!!!!!
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Looks like I've found the way to shoot my age before I'm 90! Have Manuel's book in route.
So brilliantly simple.
Hmmm.
What makes it harder is we get in the way of the free swing!
Manuel reminds me of Fuzzy Zoeller, keeping it simple like Moe, and his teaching is what I saw in Tom Watsons swing while I was on a tee box with him.
When Manuel wrapped his arms around the golfer’s arm to prove that the hands can’t swing the club on the downswing, the same demonstration can be done with similar result on the backswing. I’m going to keep it simple and focus my intentions on my hands like Earnest Jones. Feel is not necessarily real so the two styles may very well be the same.
Manuel stated that you swing with the arms. Mr. Jones said that you swing with the hands and fingers. I "swing" like neither stated. I start the swing by turning to my right, from there my hands pick up the motion of the club. My hands are the only thing in contact with the club so they are where the message to my brain originates. No one can tell you how it feels when the club is swung. You have to learn it by doing it. Most golfers hit a golf ball by using leverage. Swinging is totally different.
Your last sentence summed it all up pretty good.
simple and brilliant 😊
Amazing that a group of people just can't understand something sooooo simple. They are spinning their heads trying to complicate what he said. He explained the swing in 2 minutes demonstrating with that kid and in 20 seconds showed how the arms get the club back to the ball then everyone wants to spend 45 minutes complicating it as if they did not listen to a single thing he said or witnessed his demonstrations.
I wish I had seen this ten years ago.
At least you saw it 2 years ago! What about me, been playing 35 years, just found this. . .
What about me I’ve just seen it!
Thanks for this
If you are a serious golfer and don’t understand Manual philosophy on how to swing the club and have a positive attitude on the course you will always struggle playing the game.
I was 22 in 87 and this is bringing back memories of playing my Spaulding Top flight 1,3,4,5 woods. The game of never ending frustration but also rewarding at times.
Wow. Golfers haven't changed at all. Why do we want to over-complicate things so much? The gallery is almost refusing to listen to him. "yeah but what muscles in the back are you using?" . The man has incredible patience and he is talking truth.
They are Americans... everything has to be technical and complicated or it doesn't work. 😁
They are just trying to determine what muscles add power presumable so that they can add distance through exercise, at least that's how I took that line of questioning.
@@makemichiganhome agree, they’re just soaking it all in and taking advantage of good opportunity.
I think the most important piece of this is the last line. You go with what you are. Aka play within yourself.
If that'a all you got. Rewatch.
To summerize What he is saying just swing the darn club up and then down as fast as u can and if you are relaxed the body Will find the best way for you- so being relaxed is the key and just stay away from doing anything yourself let the body feel whats the right swing for you and everyones body has a different swing so just feel instead of think and the perfect swing Will unfold. Your body already knows how to Do that augomatically if u just let your body find its natural way of swinging if you are focusing on making correct hip motion or anything else you Will tense and your body cant Do whats right hence Thats What he means when he says let your arms move freely without interrupting
Everyone knows reals vs feels are usually different. Most newer golfer are automatically right hand dominate, that causes all shorts of issues including casting and over the top. Both hands are very much used together but most people are going to have much more success focusing on lead (left) hand control. It’s like pulling a trailer vs pushing it, there’s no stability pushing. So when most people try and swing lead hand dominate, they end up using both hands equality, especially for most who let their right hand be dominate unconsciously. Each player is different and require unique feels but generally speaking feeling your lead side pull is going to have much more success than a trail hand push. It’s been shown with high tech motion capturing equipment and is the feeling many many great players have. Personally I’ve felt lead hand control for over 25 years now playing to a + (better than scratch) handicap. I might have some more right hand feel for flops, high shots, hooks, etc. my right hand is working just as hard but as far as squaring the club face and controlling trajectory’s and shapes, lead hand is king while trail (right) hand is just there to add speed and stability. ⛳️🧙♂️💭
I love this swing concept and I’ve been working through it. One difficulty I’m having is when I swing the club back at the top of my swing my left wrist cups instead of flexing naturally like I’ve seen in others that have applied this technique. How do I swing the club back and have the lead wrist flex naturally instead of cupping?
Then cup your wrist if that’s natural
Brandon, does you ball generally go to your target when your left wrist cups at the end of the backswing? If so, I would say that it's nothing to worry about.
.. were you listening, there’s no how, just watch the video again dude
I watched this 2 months ago. Never drove and hit irons better. People dont over think it. Dont ask specific questions the answers will confuse you.
Great video.
There's a section of video that got cut out at 11:50. He explains what the club is supposed to do, anyone know where I can find out what he says?
Look here (from about 2:00 to 3:20): th-cam.com/video/F-hYlxnB5OM/w-d-xo.html. I think this is what he was saying (which he basically repeats after the edit).
This is fascinating
The one and only!
the worst think that can happen to a person in golf is to get lessons from a bad driving range pro. Worse than a bad dentist.. I had a guy tell me ide hit it further if I didn't use my arms as much,,,,can you believe that...mess me up for a long time.. Thank you for your reinforcement Manuel
So, _so_ true.
Yes but the guy got paid just the same!
One of the faults in traditional golf swing is taking the club too much to the inside in backswing.If i take club back and place it over my right shoulder have i solved the problem.S/J .
Simply the greatest all time.
He tells you everything you need to know about the golf swing in the first minute and a half. This method would put golf instructors out of business (I believe the audience here are instructors if I'm not mistaken).
Its great how all the pupils are trying to introduce complications and he just keep[s right on saying 'put it here, then here' . . . . !
Gold , Gold , Gold !
Moe Norman says this guy is the best teacher
GOD BLESS MANUEL! he has just set me free of All the PGA posts on the internet! I'm free on the course now. 🤓
He started to explain coil and was interrupted. In his book he says, "Coil is the result of swinging the club over the shoulder with the hands in the backswing with the wrists extremely free. If the wrists are firm, there can be no coil." Is the "coil" the body coil, shoulders turning and hips staying or something different? Thanks, Tim
Tim, I took lessons from Manuel for the last 10 years of his life. Sure wish I'd found him sooner. As to your question I know that he felt the coil involved the reaction of the wrists, hands, and golf club to the momentum of the backswing. As far as the body he believed that it simply responds to the motion of the swinging elements (hands, arms, club) throughout the swing.
@@briano6268thanks brian…i just got back to this again. Dan Martin is teaching some of the same things, with the extension similar to a spiral and the club (and your hands and arms) extending away from your center.
This group still not listening in 2020
He starts to talk about coil, at about 16.19 and he says, "and the coil is..." and someone interrupts. What is the coil? Is he talking about the coil of the body? Does he want the arms to start the down swing, but the coil remain? Or is he saying the cocked wrists stay cocked? Any help would be appreciated. TPH
The coil he is referring to is the reaction from taking the club at address to the top of your shoulders. Its the shoulder and hip rotation going back, which is triggered by first the hands (takeaway) and then the arms (at top of the backswing). Yes, he (and not only him, but countless old school instructors) wants you to start the downswing with your arms to return the clubface to its original spot at address and gravity + physics will take care of the rest. Its pretty simple concept but extremely effective. "Swing back and then return the club to its original spot." He doesn't care about bowing of the left wrist or "swinging out to Right field" like many instructors teach today. "Swing back, swing through".Doesnt matter what you did or at what speed, just make sure you do the same going down.
Downswing should always start with the arms like Sergio Garcia's father always said. "Like you are ringing a bell from the top" or Jack's "want my club to reach the ball before the buttons on my shirt". Golf is really a simple game in terms of the physics but because everyone is different in terms of height/weight.. swing plane will be different golfer to golfer. Modern instructors over analyze this but the concept has never changed for over 800 years.
Golf Gold!
Is that a young Mike Malaska?
I was thinking the same thing. The attitude definitely matches 🤣
Thank you.
What a legend
Wow ❤
Why do they never teach with a driver in hand
22:16 Amazing how Manuel breaks down he arms/forearm/wrist. I've never seen teaching like this.
Use your arms and let gravity pull the forearms and wrist through. That's what we all do with a practice swing. If we could only trust to do the same thing at the ball. I think once around I do it correctly and that's when I say " Wow that was effort less and it went so straight". If you don't fight the club and gravity you almost play effortless golf and wont hurt your back. Cant wait to play again this Spring.
it really works.
i can play fairly well most of the time and then have periods where wheels come off and it sucks. can golf be this simple?
Yes. I hope you tried it.
Manuel uses kitchen analogy for the woman wtf 😅
Or, when you are ironing what muscles do you use?...
Sounds good to me. That is where women should be.
@@flower2289 whoa!!! here comes a protest movement.
@@flower2289 😂
Genius
Hope he got paid well for teaching these people ,,,jeez😆
Simplified golf, yes. Manuel just seems to not include the major role of the hands, since 80+ of the sensory and motor cortex is devoted to the hands and the face; necessary in our evolution to bring food to our faces Ref cortical homunculus.
The rest of the body will support and balance the intent of the hands, especially during complex chain action movements, that happen too fast for conscious control.eg DS
Homunculus is the HOW
This man is brilliant! I'm sick to death about "positions" P1, P2, P whatever. There are no such things as positions in a fluid motion. and you damn sure can't determine a position in the 1.5 seconds it takes to make a swing.
Agreed, it’s convoluted nonsense. Golf is meant to be a game where you swing the club back and then swing it forward around a center, that’s it.
These people are sooo 1987
When you write this you were soooo 2019😂
Yea moderns would be too busy checking their phone
Gold