Amazing teacher. Discovered him this way, through videos. Wish there were more videos of his instructions. I HIGHLY recommend his book. So articulate and perfect. Seems like such a gentleman as well. RIP, Manuel.
Get the book if you don't get what he's saying. There are other videos with Manuel at a clinic. I love his technique and no longer think about all the bullshit I used to think about when making a swing. NOW I just set up for my target (with a proper grip) and SWING to that target. Most of the time the ball goes right out there to or near my intended target. It's lovely.
One of the most enjoyable informative videos I have ever seen.Listening to Manuel makes you realise how easy the golfswing is and how much golfers overthink and complicate it.Golf is and should always remain a simple uncomplicated movement of the body to propel the ball to its target.
Love his comment at 43 mins, about golfers making a shopping list of the things they do not want , instead of the things they do want ie fairway not bunker or woods etc, Manuel knows how to keep it simple.
Thank You, Manuel. For truly classic old country reasoning and common sense golf lessons Pragmatic instructions and calmness....simplicity and practical application.
Rob, Manuel does NOT separate the face from the club. He has always taught ball starts in direction of the face. When discussing the club he is referring to the entire club.
There is an obsession with arguing about the discrepancy between what Manuel de La Torre teaches and what Ernest Jones taught. I actually don't get lost in that minutia. Many people don't enjoy golf as much as they should because they tinker every week with their swing and do this for years. I am all about keeping things simple.
David Arbelaez: Well said. We have an entire generation of "players" (and I'm using the term loosely) who'd rather argue technique down to the molecular level (online or elsewhere) rather than to simplify things in a way that would make hitting a golf ball more or less like anything else you do every day, without knowing the exact angle of every limb, the exact order of the firing of 72 muscles, etc.
Fred, Manuel sat at the feet of his father (Angel) and Ernest while they discussed the swing. Manuel's shift to the reference to the arms instead of the hands was a pragmatic response to the fact that too often the reference to hands confused students and they would begin flipping at the ball with their hands. Shifting their focus to the arms eliminated that problem for them and expedited their progress. In recent years Manuel has further evolved to no longer mention the hands or the arms. Instead focuses on merely directing the students attention to the club and what it should be doing. He completely circumvents the matter of what body part should be used to accomplish the task. This has proven to be even more expedition. In discussing the swing with de la Torre, you will find no one more committed or have a greater command of the Jones concepts.
The club means everything in your mind picture...the first sentence, I love it. It is proven that men can focous in one or two things really well at one point, like hunting...well women thats another story.
What??? This is a crock of crap!!!! Carol Mann talked with Manuel just before his death. There were NO CHANGES in his Master Swing. She would be hurt to the heart to know you said such a statemen
Yes. I had to forget the arms or the hands to make it work for me. All I really had to change was grip and setup--and it's a wonderful thing! Just set up and SWING!!! Think of target and alignment, and grip, then let 'er RIP!!! It's such wonderful information. Thanks.
Brian, you are correct. Though would add you rotate the club to amount you wish to curve the ball, set face to start direction and align to the shaft which is determined by the amount the face is rotated. Swing there for the curve. Thank you for your post.
Manuel teaches that if you wish for your ball to go DIRECTLY to your target then you must have your clubface aimed at that target at address and then you must swing your club in the direction of the target. When he discusses purposely curving shots he teaches that you must aim the clubface along the line upon which you wish to start the ball and align your club and yourself further to the right (draw) or left (fade). Then you simply swing your club forward along your body line.
At 25:14 he talks about the direction of the backswing and retracing the direction when you go forward. He then goes on to say not to retrace the path. When he says "direction" what does he mean. And what's the difference between the direction and path. It's not real clear.
I agree, subtle and difficult. I thought about it and I believe he is saying trace the direction back toward toe up to the target. If you get stuck in the actual path then you are likely to lose focus on the target. And will confuse yourself because then you don't have a method for determining what you did and only feel...
I note in his book the club position is in the middle for balls on the ground can I conclude that the ball is more forward thus the club more forward when using a tee especially a driver .the video tape also dose not cover this
Garry Major No, he kept it same for all clubs. You can widen feet with the longer clubs, but ball position remains the same as you want to hit the ball at the bottom of your arc.
Molly Solomon has single-handedly ruined the Golf Channel since she was appointed to run it. Just view this beautiful 40 minutes of television. Great host. Great teacher. Good for all golf enthusiasts. Look at what’s on the GC live today - A know nothing host (Damon Hack) and some foreigner (Don’t even know his name) talking about the politics of golf - Who cares ! Morning Drive cancelled. Feherty cancelled. GC Academy cancelled. GC Studio in Florida (where all the pros and instructors live and are readily available) moved to Bristol CT. If I didn’t know any better you’d think Joe Biden’s brain was transplanted into Molly Solomon’s head.
These shows where an interview is the format are always scattered because the interviewer tries to lead the guest in the direction the interviewer wants it to go. I would much rather that they put Manuel out there and let him do a one hour lesson without interruptions. Phone calls should not be a part of it. I will tell all of you who are unfamiliar with Manuel's method. It is correct and it will work wonders if you think things through, give it the time and you give it the effort.
Rob. Your statement confirms what Manual said, "the ball going in the direction of the swing". You cannot swing left and have the ball start right, it's impossible. Think about billiards. If the clue is going off line to the right the clue ball also goes offline to the right. The face angle at impact doesn't determine initial direction, it determines amount of side spin.
+Michael Unsworth (WannaGolf) Correct, but largely irrelevant. The clubface does largely determine initial path, but the effect you speak of only occurs when there is significant shaft lean forward at impact; viz, contact is made well before the shaft becomes vertical, which means the clubface, is still on the downward and relative outward part of the inclined plane while the body, arms, hands may well be turning left by this time! This occurs usually when using the body, hips, legs, to move forward into the downswing; not something that Manuel teaches at all! If you understand Manuel's teachings, he promotes swinging through to the target without conscious weight shift, only suggesting weight shift should occur after the ball is struck and as a consequence of that. Ergo! What you then have is an almost vertical shaft at impact, using true loft to strike the ball and a clubface that is essentially aligned with club path!!.
I use my legs hips back shoulders tremendously but if they dont work in harmony with the arms its wasted effort! The reason you have to use the bigger muscles is entirely due to the swinging weight of the club.When i play badminton or tabletennis i dont consciously use my big muscles, if i was swinginging a pickaxe i would.Unfortunately the swinging weight of a 6 iron at 90mph+ is nearer to a pickaxe!
Wow, 10 mins with him was worth more than all the lessons during my lifetime
Manuel was the teachers teacher.
Took many lessons from him. He explained it so well
Amazing teacher. Discovered him this way, through videos. Wish there were more videos of his instructions. I HIGHLY recommend his book. So articulate and perfect. Seems like such a gentleman as well. RIP, Manuel.
Read his book for Real understanding and improvement.
If ya can find it, read Ernest Jones " Swing the clubhead"
@@shofey have, many times
Get the book if you don't get what he's saying. There are other videos with Manuel at a clinic. I love his technique and no longer think about all the bullshit I used to think about when making a swing. NOW I just set up for my target (with a proper grip) and SWING to that target. Most of the time the ball goes right out there to or near my intended target. It's lovely.
Love it. An actual observation of what is true and objective about golf swing efficiency.
One of the most enjoyable informative videos I have ever seen.Listening to Manuel makes you realise how easy the golfswing is and how much golfers overthink and complicate it.Golf is and should always remain a simple uncomplicated movement of the body to propel the ball to its target.
It's a shame the the GC went from shows like this, to Michael Breed screaming at you for a half hour.
You are 10000% correct
YELLING YELLING LOUD NOISES MORE YELLING -- LET'S DO THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why is Rich Lerner still at the GC?
@@jeffd2532 SO TRUE. I can't take it : )
These days it’s Chamblee that keeps injecting his likes/dislikes/feelings into the broadcast. I can’t stand it.
Love his comment at 43 mins, about golfers making a shopping list of the things they do not want , instead of the things they do want ie fairway not bunker or woods etc, Manuel knows how to keep it simple.
I miss Peter, he is the
best by far at presentation, knowledge of the average player wows,and sincerity. A class act sadly wasted.
Thank you so much for posting this. This is pure gold, I think it is the best instruction video on you tube
Thank You, Manuel. For truly classic old country reasoning and common sense golf lessons
Pragmatic instructions and calmness....simplicity and practical application.
What a fantastic video!
Rob, Manuel does NOT separate the face from the club. He has always taught ball starts in direction of the face. When discussing the club he is referring to the entire club.
There is an obsession with arguing about the discrepancy between what Manuel de La Torre teaches and what Ernest Jones taught. I actually don't get lost in that minutia. Many people don't enjoy golf as much as they should because they tinker every week with their swing and do this for years. I am all about keeping things simple.
David Arbelaez: Well said. We have an entire generation of "players" (and I'm using the term loosely) who'd rather argue technique down to the molecular level (online or elsewhere) rather than to simplify things in a way that would make hitting a golf ball more or less like anything else you do every day, without knowing the exact angle of every limb, the exact order of the firing of 72 muscles, etc.
Greetings...thanks for this video.
Fred, Manuel sat at the feet of his father (Angel) and Ernest while they discussed the swing. Manuel's shift to the reference to the arms instead of the hands was a pragmatic response to the fact that too often the reference to hands confused students and they would begin flipping at the ball with their hands. Shifting their focus to the arms eliminated that problem for them and expedited their progress.
In recent years Manuel has further evolved to no longer mention the hands or the arms. Instead focuses on merely directing the students attention to the club and what it should be doing. He completely circumvents the matter of what body part should be used to accomplish the task. This has proven to be even more expedition.
In discussing the swing with de la Torre, you will find no one more committed or have a greater command of the Jones concepts.
The club means everything in your mind picture...the first sentence, I love it.
It is proven that men can focous in one or two things really well at one point,
like hunting...well women thats another story.
What??? This is a crock of crap!!!! Carol Mann talked with Manuel just before his death. There were NO CHANGES in his Master Swing. She would be hurt to the heart to know you said such a statemen
@@shofey Aside from your offensive and unnecessary vocabulary, it would appear you misunderstood my remarks.
Yes. I had to forget the arms or the hands to make it work for me. All I really had to change was grip and setup--and it's a wonderful thing! Just set up and SWING!!! Think of target and alignment, and grip, then let 'er RIP!!! It's such wonderful information. Thanks.
Brian, you are correct. Though would add you rotate the club to amount you wish to curve the ball, set face to start direction and align to the shaft which is determined by the amount the face is rotated. Swing there for the curve. Thank you for your post.
This is gold
Some people have read Manuel and set themselves up as "the" expert. When in reality anyone that reads his book can be as expert as the next guy.
Manuel teaches that if you wish for your ball to go DIRECTLY to your target then you must have your clubface aimed at that target at address and then you must swing your club in the direction of the target. When he discusses purposely curving shots he teaches that you must aim the clubface along the line upon which you wish to start the ball and align your club and yourself further to the right (draw) or left (fade). Then you simply swing your club forward along your body line.
Thanks Joshua I would have to be careful with tee height as if ball is the same position I would tend to hit under the ball .thanks for the reply
Playing tee ball off center will lead to more shots in fairway because face is square at impact.
RIP Manuel.
mpluis23, thanks for posting this video. I have heard of this but have never seen it.
My plesure. I got it from a memer from WRX.forum.
At 25:14 he talks about the direction of the backswing and retracing the direction when you go forward. He then goes on to say not to retrace the path. When he says "direction" what does he mean. And what's the difference between the direction and path. It's not real clear.
I agree, subtle and difficult. I thought about it and I believe he is saying trace the direction back toward toe up to the target. If you get stuck in the actual path then you are likely to lose focus on the target. And will confuse yourself because then you don't have a method for determining what you did and only feel...
Amazing teacher? No ways what about Bear Back?
Excellent.
I note in his book the club position is in the middle for balls on the ground can I conclude that the ball is more forward thus the club more forward when using a tee especially a driver .the video tape also dose not cover this
Garry Major No, he kept it same for all clubs. You can widen feet with the longer clubs, but ball position remains the same as you want to hit the ball at the bottom of your arc.
Molly Solomon has single-handedly ruined the Golf Channel since she was appointed to run it. Just view this beautiful 40 minutes of television. Great host. Great teacher. Good for all golf enthusiasts. Look at what’s on the GC live today - A know nothing host (Damon Hack) and some foreigner (Don’t even know his name) talking about the politics of golf - Who cares ! Morning Drive cancelled. Feherty cancelled. GC Academy cancelled. GC Studio in Florida (where all the pros and instructors live and are readily available) moved to Bristol CT. If I didn’t know any better you’d think Joe Biden’s brain was transplanted into Molly Solomon’s head.
never heard of her.
These shows where an interview is the format are always scattered because the interviewer tries to lead the guest in the direction the interviewer wants it to go. I would much rather that they put Manuel out there and let him do a one hour lesson without interruptions. Phone calls should not be a part of it. I will tell all of you who are unfamiliar with Manuel's method. It is correct and it will work wonders if you think things through, give it the time and you give it the effort.
Thank you.
He made a simple concept complicated !
He rebuilt my game, made it easier than before for SURE. LOVE IT!
Rob. Your statement confirms what Manual said, "the ball going in the direction of the swing". You cannot swing left and have the ball start right, it's impossible. Think about billiards. If the clue is going off line to the right the clue ball also goes offline to the right. The face angle at impact doesn't determine initial direction, it determines amount of side spin.
+Michael Unsworth (WannaGolf) Correct, but largely irrelevant. The clubface does largely determine initial path, but the effect you speak of only occurs when there is significant shaft lean forward at impact; viz, contact is made well before the shaft becomes vertical, which means the clubface, is still on the downward and relative outward part of the inclined plane while the body, arms, hands may well be turning left by this time! This occurs usually when using the body, hips, legs, to move forward into the downswing; not something that Manuel teaches at all!
If you understand Manuel's teachings, he promotes swinging through to the target without conscious weight shift, only suggesting weight shift should occur after the ball is struck and as a consequence of that. Ergo! What you then have is an almost vertical shaft at impact, using true loft to strike the ball and a clubface that is essentially aligned with club path!!.
RIP
I use my legs hips back shoulders tremendously but if they dont work in harmony with the arms its wasted effort! The reason you have to use the bigger muscles is entirely due to the swinging weight of the club.When i play badminton or tabletennis i dont consciously use my big muscles, if i was swinginging a pickaxe i would.Unfortunately the swinging weight of a 6 iron at 90mph+ is nearer to a pickaxe!
Yeah.
Can't hit a bad shot? LOL
3 minutes in and he has not explained athing
Not even close to what Ernest Jones taught!
Maybe you'd like to elaborate. Otherwise, it's you saying "no," and de la Torre saying "yes."
Too "fancy" elaboration to my tast! Much too many words, pretty useless for an average player....