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Scotty, Do you spend less money with an electric car or with a gasoline one? My guess is that electrical cars are more expensive, in this regard. Right?
@RR Continued Not true. The RAV4 hybrid, gasoline and Prime all have he same engine (2.5L). Most small PHEVs have the same engine as their hybrid cousins and these are all typical small car engines ( 1.6 to 1.8 liters) , often Atkinson cycle engines that are more gasoline use efficient.
Just remember kids, it's all marketing. It's all about the money. Truth is, you'd be fine in a 40 year old car that was paid off and runs reliably. The only thing anything new promises is more money for corporations.
That’s true. A new Tesla is tempting but my 8 year old Prius is still getting me around at 50mpg at 125k miles, it feels new still. No plans to replace it any time soon.
I did some back of the napkin math. If I drive my corolla to 400000 miles, it will emit about 100 tons of CO2 over this time. Honestly that's not that bad for 400000 miles.
My wife's 08 Civic with 250,000 miles on it runs just fine and gets incredible mpg. Keep old cars running! You don't need a fancy electric car to show how progressive and environmentally friendly you are. Edit: Thank you Honda for building such reliable cars that are relatively inexpensive to maintain. Hopefully American auto manufacturers one day can achieve quality over quantity again. Make Detroit Great Again
My thoughts exactly. Gov't mandated polices implemented in an attempt to direct societal change - what could possibly go wrong? Hoover and the Great Depression come to mind. By all accounts his mandated policies, rather than ending the Great Depression, actually extended it by many years. If fossil fuel cars are destroying the planet then get the info out there and let the people make up their own minds what cars to buy. Otherwise STFU and let the market do what it's going to do, any interference with mandated polices is fascistic.
Everyone should learn this lesson well and soon: Most everything you hear/see in any marketing campaign is either exaggerated or downright FALSE. I've worked in marketing departments before (as an IT guy), I couldn't believe what I saw them say. Moral of the story: ALWAYS INVESTIGATE ALL CLAIMS FOR YOURSELF!
One thing I know for sure is this. We cannot consume our way out of this situation. We cannot just continually buy new cars and expect this will make the planet greener. I drive a 1995 Toyota and do about 7,000km per year. If I purchased a new Tesla and did the same kms, charging from the grid in Australia. It would take me probably 15 years to be greener. By then the Tesla battery would need to be replaced.
@@TaylorPhase It kind of seems like you don't know that batteries have a shelf life separate from miles and mistake your ignorance + fanboyism as a pass to let you be a tool.
Back to bicycles and horses, folks. One of the problems I see is that from the time I was a youngster in the 1950s, families had one car. Today mom, dad and the legal age children all have cars. We have too many cars and that is a problem we created. Doesn't matter if we have and EV or an ICE automobile. They all consume energy in one form or another. Too many cars. Too many toys, too many of everything that sucks up energy.
I always wonder what’s the effects to the environment that the batteries would have from the gases that are released, also the waste from millions of ev batteries going bad.
Manufacturing of battery packs is definitely energy intensive. The good thing is the batteries are fairly easy to recycle, lowering the impact. I think that recycling is going to be a pretty huge growth industry over the next decade.
@@mylesgray3470 The lithium batteries used in cars are not "fairly easy to recycle". It can be done, but it is nowhere nearly as easy as recycling lead-acid batteries. I'm guessing that eventually you will be charged a "recycling" fee when your EV hits end of life.
After 6 months of waiting we just got our RAV4 Prime. WE LOVE IT!!! My wife drives right around 40 miles a day. She still has the original gas that was in the card when we bought it. So yes, it has been amazing.
I used to get as much as 46mpg on my old 2008 Honda Civic. Replaced it with a 2015 Ford Fusion hybrid and could never get more than 42mpg. Seems a decent small car with an efficient engine is what we need until they get the battery capacity to at least 500 miles with a fast recharge.
My wife has an 08 Civic as well. You're not wrong about the mpg. It's ridiculously cheap to run and operate. As long as she doesn't wreck it, we'll put as much money into keeping it running as possible.
I got a Chevy Spark a few years ago. Sounds like it ought to be an EV or hybrid but it's normal gas. I get an average of 46mpg with it. Almost the same as my wife gets with her Toyota Prius C. It's a pleasure to park too because it's so short.
I’ve had a Prius prime I and got 88mph and i had 50k + when i sold it my wife health was such we had to change to a larger size vehicle The previous Prius that I had. Had 250000 miles on it before i traded it in on the prime i loved both and on the prime what i loved about it is that on short errands less than about 25 miles I would use zero gasoline But if I wanted to make a 300 mile trip to see my family no recharge anxiety just fill it up and go in the hybrid mode The best of both worlds
Hey scotty i bought rav4 prime after watching your reveiw and my daily commute is 32 to 36 miles daily. So my gas engine didn't turned on except for long drives or contrary if you drive car with heavy paddle but on long journeys it will give me range of 40 mpg if you drive at 75 mph but as soon as you drive above 75 mph it's range drops to 35 to 30 mpg and I also think it has same mechanism of prius/ prius prime and it will heat up the catalytic converter. I suggest you should make dedicated video on rav4 prime milage and test all scenarios in real life situations
Good video and discussion. We own a 2020 Prius Plug in Hybrid and a 2021 RAV4 Plug in Hybrid. We find we get the same electric range as Toyota claimed we would. I love these cars and feel like we robbed a bank every time we drive past a gas station. My wife's driving habits with the RAV4 are such that she goes months without filling up. I find the Prius costs about $1 in electricity for the 25 miles we get on pure electric. The RAV4 costs about $2.50 in electricity for the 42 miles we get. Great.
I have a PHEV and I'm in Europe and I largely agree with everything you said there. The only thing is you could argue the same with Any Technology. Any heavy footed driver will create. More co2 regardless of what they drive. Saying that I have just bought a 3.0ltr H6 Subaru Outback that has a 72ltr LPG gas tank attached. Now that's the fuel cheat everyone has fogotten. When folk are paying £1.80 a litre. I am paying 62p a litre to fill that one up! It burns cleaner too!!!
Scotty, I have been driving a Chevrolet Volt for 5 years and I'm trying hard to get my hands on a RAV-4 Prime. Why would a red State horse power loving former AAI Trained mechanic do such a thing? 1- They are so much fun to drive. Electric instant torque is even superior to my years of driving Turbo charged Diesel trucks both Ford and GM. 2= I love driving by gas stations and thumbing my nose at OPEC and Americas fuel prices in general since purchasing my Volt I'm averaging over 102 MPG. The Volt is a great looking car that is fun to drive and mine gets compliments frequently. I like you have lost faith in GM as of late and that is why I look forward to being a RAV-4 Prime owner. Why ? Fastest Toyota that they have ever built themselves. They average 94 MPG and were I drive in Eastern Nevada on long trips it can get 600 miles of range with NO RANGE ANXIETY !!!!!!! Take it from an old Mechanic PHEV's that have at least 40 miles EV only range and then get 38-40 MPG on gas are a dream come true for me . I seldom put fuel in my Volt and then only when I go out of my Valley where I live, I really enjoy watching your program. Please let us all know what you think of the coming Mitsubishi Out lander PHEV in 2023. They claim better range 50 miles and as good or better MPG and a three row CUV platform. Keep up the good work Scotty. Dr Staley
I got a RAV4 Prime last year. It is perfect for MY driving. Scotty points out the issue of PHEV owners not plugging in. That's a problem with the user, not the vehicle. I micro-manage forcing the RAV4 into hybrid mode when I hit the highway, and I save the battery power to be sure the gas engine won't turn on between the highway and my house when I'm stopping at stop signs and traffic lights. The alternative for me would have been to own 2 vehicles. I can justify tying up a little more capital for the benefit of only paying for one car in the driveway than can take me on the occasional road trip, but run off battery only for 5 days out of the week. I have tried to figure out how much extra gas it takes to charge the battery while driving on the highway. My gut says it should be marginal if the gas engine is already running, but without some more detailed measuring devices, I don't think I'll ever be able to get a conclusive answer.
My 07 civic hybrid was averaging 38mpg but after 230k it's at 36mpg . Oh well it's been a very low maintenance car and stil dependable. On my fifth set of tires ,4 set of struts 3dr set of front bracks the rear drums are original. Had to replace a rear wheel hub assembly it was cheap $30.and it only took me 30 mins. to replace. Oh all 3 motor mounts had to be replaced we have a lot of blind dips in my neck of the woods that caused the mounts to brake prematurely. Over all a inexpensive car to drive. Almost forgot the hybrid battery pack was replaced in Warranty at 164000 miles. No problems since.
I read somewhere that for every car battery manufactured , 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust has to be processed, not exactly environmentally friendly!
There are numerous TH-cam videos that will provide you with this information.. The reality of this situation is that There is huge impact on our planet in the mining of the limited resources that are required for this one..
It's not just about cost. Purposefully getting things wrong rubs people the wrong way. A lot of these people just want to support a new technology that they find cool or useful. And with the subsidies from the government on purchase price, you don't end up spending that much extra for a PHEV compared to a regular hybrid or ICE car. For example, the Rav4 ICE costs ~27k and the Rav4 PHEV (prime) costs ~40k. With the federal subsidy of 7.5k you get a cost difference of ~5.5k. Given current gas prices of ~5$/gal, the combined MPG of 30 for the ICE, 94 mpge for the PHEV, and a cost of 0.20/kwh of electricity, that means ~0.17$/mile for the ICE and ~0.07$/mile for the PHEV (assuming ideal electrical conditions and purely electric driving; things get complicated if we have mixed EV and hybrid usage in the PHEV) for a total difference of ~9.5 cents/mile (difference due to rounding). It would take ~33k miles of driving to make up this difference in price. With an average driving distance of 13.5k miles/year, it'd take about 2 years and 5 months of driving for the equilibrium, considering only gas prices. There are claims that EVs and PHEVs cost less to maintain than ICE cars, but this claim is suspect because there aren't many PHEVs and BEVs out there and, due to being new, we don't have a good grasp of their long-term maintenance cost as a group rather than just as relates to Tesla's (in)ability to create high quality cars.
@@thedopplereffect00 For you, perhaps. For a lot of people the $0.20/kwh makes sense. Just depends on your usecase and your situation. There's other benefits to using an EV such as free usage of HOV lanes, better parking spaces, and reduced toll prices, but that will differ by locality and state. For me, I pay between 0.25 and 0.40 per kwh so the electric vehicle doesn't make much sense. Especially at the 0.40/kwh since that'd narrow the per-mile cost difference to ~0.03/mile which would make the switch to EV pretty much worthless since you'd need to drive something like 180k miles to break even which is something that I haven't been able to do in 10 years of driving.
@@wljansen there are other options and if you look at the low cost electric vehicle being sold in China and India you see what's in our future. Right now the auto industry can get away with gouging, but as more and more people convert, the market will get more competitive and affordable cars will be available.
I drive a 1998 intrigue with the legendary 3.8 v6. Bought it off an old man with 78k on it for 1400$ last year. Ill drive this thing for 10 years or more. Very comfortable and reliable
From what this video states, PHEVs already break Co2 standards, so they are in violation to begin with. They are a sacred cow and it will never be enforced. They hated Diesel from the beginning and put the screws to VW to develop electric vehicles. Politics at its finest.
And now they wonder why the oil industry doesn't want to pump oil like mad right now to make prices come down, so that politicians look good when prices fall. Once that happens they will go back to demonizing the whole industry and claim they basically want it to go away....
Private PHEV owners have a built-in incentive for charging their vehicles, in that the cost of electricity is much cheaper than adding gasoline. PHEVs also get better overall fuel economy than comparable ICE vehicles for two reasons. Not only can PHEVs travel significant distances using electric motors only, but they also require smaller engines to achieve similar performance, since the electric motor boosts acceleration, not to mention the efficiency gained from regenerative braking. Ultimately hybrids and PHEVs are a stop gap technology, in the complete transition from ICE automobiles to EVs. As battery technologies advance, range and charging times will improve to the point that the internal combustion engine will have no advantages.
Before hearing about plug in hybrids I thought it would be a good idea to have an electric vehicle with a liquid fuel range extender. Not sure why these hybrids need to have the higher output engines in them when a tiny 50bhp engine will do most of what you actually need. Put in your destination before setting off, and the car could choose the best way to get there.
@@tomrepurpose2770 Or a litre engine that will run for many, many years. Not sure what camping you are doing, I don't need anything like 50hp to run my house, even if the generator is really bad.
They certainly aren't going to generate enough electricity from wind and solar power. Not to mention the electrical grid is a long ways off from being able to supply that much power for 100's of millions of EVs in just the USA. And not to mention all the gas powered mowers will be phased out along with other gas powered devices including NG furnaces and stoves. Nope, I don't see this change over to all electric happening anytime soon. And now I've heard that there are electric powered short range aircraft.
To be able to support EVs (NON hybrid) you will have to double the size of the power grid and double number of power plants. That will take 30 years ...and who will pay for it ?
I bought a 2015 Fusion PHEV and we use for commuting and I fill it up about once a month. It has been both economical and reliable. As for BEVs the playing field needs to be levelled and BEVs need to start paying road taxes.
I love my ioniq hybrid. See no reason for a plug in. I get 65mpg and the emissions can't be much on this little 1.6 liter. I think hybrids are the way to go until they make EV charging faster and more plentiful. I know the Hyundai ioniq 5 has the fastest charging capability right now. Probably the only EV I'd consider.
Scotty, yet again another excellent video! I said keep making them like this, and you hit them out of the park. I own a Ford Fusion plug-in hybrid, very nice vehicle, I just wish it had 50% more range on electric. I'd say about 70% of our mileage has been electric. To those that say using a 20 year old car is better, I disagree. Just remember when you get a new one and sell the old one, something much worse gets scrapped.
It really seems like this is inconclusive. It's all based on how you drive... the efficiency and emissions should be represented for all real world driving conditions. That is combursome, but a good step forward to transparency for consumers.
Which means pretty much everyone with a garage and an electrical socket. But, without upgrading your electric circuit, only a PHEV is practical since you can reasonably charge them overnight after a day's driving. A BEV might not be able to charge enough to replace the day's usage if you drive over a certain amount so you can end up without a car when you need it.
@@thedopplereffect00 this generally requires upgrading your electrical system, which is why I say that it's largely impractical to have EVs since that is pretty inconvenient and expensive to do for a car. 30a240V is 7200w which is way beyond what normal home circuits can handle. For reference, an entire home uses about 3000w and about 6000w with everything on. You are suggesting more than doubling that.
I recently bought a 2022 Prius and decided to go with the regular hybrid instead of the plug-in (“Prime”), because of initial purchase cost and the fact that the plug-in is both a lot heavier and has reduced cargo space vs the hybrid. If I were a daily commuter with a 30-mile/day round trip, I might have considered the Prime, but it doesn’t make sense otherwise.
Same here. I also have a ‘22 Prius and was considering the Prime. Researching it, I discovered that the Prime can switch to gas depending on how you accelerate, and in cold weather. I would have considered it more if the electric range was about 40 miles, as well a little more power (like the RAV4 Prime). Otherwise I average between 50mpg (winter) and 60mpg. Pretty happy with it.
Plus you have to wait at least 2 years to get a 'Prime'. We bought recently a RAV4 Hybrid and only waited 6 months. Made a lot more sense then to wait 2 years and still use my 18mpg Tacoma until the 'Prime' showed up.
There's a major issue that all proponents of bev's keep ignoring. In "flyover country" an all electric vehicle simply won't work. It quite simply can't. 20, 30, 40 mile ranges are impossible in the middle of the country where it's frequently 50 to 70 miles from household to grocery stores. You are guaranteed to be stranded at the side of the road. Even if the grocery store is within driving range, you have to charge it up when you get there which takes anywhere from 4 to 6 hours. Going to twiddle your thumbs for that long? No. What about fast charge? OK but fast charge only gives about 80%. Since you are already at max range, you are going to be stranded several miles from home. Flyover country encompasses fully half, if not 3/4ths of the US. Planning on leaving half the country on foot??? Hybrid vehicles are the only workable compromise at this time.
@@BigPaul3122 - While that makes things better, it isn't a full answer. Until batteries are capable of 400 miles, a hybrid is going to be a more viable choice for the middle of the country. I was aware Tesla was working on 200. Wasn't aware it was accomplished. And what about trucks and pickups? If they are working vehicles, that battery is going to drain super fast.
@@kirkboswell2575 There is no complete answer yet, no. I have a Rav 4 hybrid, not PHEV and I get between 50 and 60 mpg. That’ll do for me. Like most people I’m not ready to commit to full EV with the range currently available. That is European gallons btw.
So what? If you're over 20 miles from the nearest grocery store, you're living in a very low population density area which means this doesn't effect a lot of Americans. I don't think BEVs are marketed to those types living out in the middle of nowhere and a gasoline or diesel powered vehicle makes perfect sense for them. Of course there are plenty of large towns and small cities in "flyover country" that have the infrastructure to make BEVs practical even in more rural areas.
Plug in hybrids have to be driven a little differently. I have two. And if you use the cruise control (yes, in town as well) both get over 40 mpg even on an empty battery.
As a former c-max energi owner (a phev) although I loved the pleasent-ness of the ride it was so smooth and quiet and I would've done anything possible to keep the car going but it was a 2014 and the computers began having issues and it was basically a heavily modified Windows operating system underneath and it was like dealing with a Windows vista computer when windows 10 was new and absolutely nobody but the original dealership would touch it who wanted $150 just to look up the codes and get a possible idea of the issue (I had the codes scanned at a AutoZone for free, high voltage isolation fault of some kind sounded very high level and I was informed it was an issue with hybrid system and only they could truly scan it) and so I traded it off and fortunately the dealer didn't look at dashboard too hard and I gave them the mileage so that they wouldn't look too closely at the errors which by then had turned into low battery warnings ⚠️ killing the odometer, speedometer, and half of the fancy computer things (actually purchased a cheapo phone at Walmart to put in the dash so that I knew my speed, but when they offered me a couple of thousand less than what I bought it for I was going to take it and of course I played hard ball like I wasn't so I got as good a deal as I could get. Yes they're a great idea but you must remember that if you have a 5 year old phev then you have a 5 year old computer and the more time goes by the worse that situation will become and as the 8 or 10 year hybrid warranty expires you risk having a brick on wheels that nobody will work on and nobody wants.
Most people do not seem to understand this. The new EVs are rolling computers and there will come a point noone will work on it. Also, look at the way the software industry operates today compared to in the past. All new software is buggy as hell with constant updates being issued. For example look at the OS on your phone, how many updates have you done in the past year. This is largely do to incompetence in coding, most coding is done with cut and paste functions written by previous engineers in previous generations. Not many people write new code from scratch anymore, nor does coding go through intensive testing as in the past, and its releases early. That is why coding for all sorts of things is buggy as hell. So now image that buggy coding while traveling 70 mph on a highway, or having to fix it long after the new release has come out.
The Ford C-Max is known to be a POS. Buy a Prius, I’ve owned two of them and their great! I’m a ford guy but they really dropped the ball on that one. Now the new Maverick Hybrid, that thing is sweet!
Would be much better if the car companies used a modified Unix or Linux operating systems for their vehicles! I've been working in IT for over 10 years and all operating systems have their issues if they are not maintained or configured correctly but Windows has always had more issues than other operating systems. Update: Just found an article that says Tesla, Ford, Jaguar Land Rover, Nissan, and Toyota are using Red Hat Linux in their cars.
I have the cmax too. The pre Android auto interface is crap. Only get 10 mi EV range now with a longer commute. That said, with tax credits+ gas savings on shorter commute we saved maybe $10,000 over the years. Really want something with 40 mi EV range, but I want it to be more reliable.
I might consider a hybrid the way gas prices have been rising but would probably lease instead of purchase. They need to improve our grid, increase the amount of charging stations (especially in smaller towns), and the price of the vehicle needs to come down before I would consider an EV.
I've heard that'll cost anywhere from $16,000 to $22,000 if you're out of warranty. I wouldn't be surprised if the warranty is prorated just like the 12V batteries are.
@@TaylorPhase Nope, not according to their website. 10 years or 100000 miles. Some online report that they get lifetime warranty for the original owner only and it only covers total failure, not degradation.
I liked some of the first electric cars that had an electric motor at each wheel, and a smal finely tuned gas motor that charged the battery when needed. The gas motor ran cleanly and efficiently so the emissions and mileage were both really good. No transmission either. I wouldn't be surprised to see that design come back.
Mike S....That design is back....or perhaps never left...I do not really know. My daughter just bought a 2022 Honda CRV-Hybrid....not the plug in.... that has those electric motors at each wheel, with the regenerative charging of the batteries by the gas engine whenever the brakes are applied or when the battery charge drops below a certain percentage. I have driven her car and I really like it; very smooth ride, great handling, plenty of power, very quiet with just using electric and even when the gas motor kicks in, it is still quiet. She is getting a steady 37 mpg living in a large metropolitan area. No...it doesn't get the best mpg of available vehicles but it suits her needs having a teen-ager and always needing the extra room of an SUV type vehicle.
PHEV OWNER HERE! - I can't say what emits from my tailpipe, but as for Fuel Consumption PHEV's are a no brainer. I'm averaging 100mpg. I top off most days and I rarely drive beyond 20 miles a day with a 30 mile range, so 90% of my driving is all electric. The avg American drives 26 miles a day and sleeps 7hrs... So In my view this is a consumer issue.
I’m averaging 34.3 mpg (combined city/highway) after nearly four years and 104,000 trouble-free miles from my 2018 Civic EXT. Even with the higher fuel prices today, I’m very happy with my vehicle. Simple, clean, and efficient. Plus the cost of ownership is far lower than most cars. Best vehicle I’ve ever owned.
How are you managing this? How much traffic do you sit in? My dad's civic does that reversing out of the drive and will get about 80mpg on a 60 mile roundtrip, or going 2 miles into the town centre get about 70mpg.
@@JimboXX78 That’s not possible. Not to put it too delicately but you’re full of sh$t. Perhaps you’re looking at kilometers vs. miles. And even then your claims are a stretch.
I could care less about my footprint with my prius. I’m saving so much in gas even now and very low maintenance cost without worrying about charging constantly
I own a Rav4 prime and it is a great vehicle. It's fast, powerful, has awd and is fuel efficient. Charges overnight with a regular wall outlet. I use ev mode all week commuting to work and the gas engine never turns on. If I need to take a long trip it has about 600 miles range. The only downside side is the price. Even with the $7500 federal tax credit it will be hard to break even over a regular Rav4. One of the best parts of owning one is that I never worry if I have enough gas to get to work in the morning.
I have a used 2019 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV. I rarely use the gas engine unless I’m driving long distances or can’t find any nearby chargers. Since I got the car in February I’ve filled it with gas only two times. Plus I just bought a solar panel that’ll charge a battery to power my home charger.
I drive a 2017 Jeep GC Hemi and drive only 10-20 miles a typical day, with maybe a longer trip of 50-60 miles once a week. I get 12-14 mpg. New Jeep GC 4XE and I can drive all electric 6/7 days. But still can tow a boat to the lake 150 miles away. I think this would work for me. If I buy now I get the tax rebate. Though prices are high with inflation I doubt they will ever be less. So PHEV makes perfect sense for me. The confusion about mpg and mpge assumes you charge every night and only drive so many miles every day. Everyone’s case is different. If I drove 60 miles a day or more it may not make sense.
I had a 2021 X3 Plugin we were able to get 3000 in electric miles in total 7000 miles drove for 2021. There were 2 issues with the plug-in. 1. Power system complexity. System had to switch from ev and gas very frequently. This cause multiple outages on the bmw. Had to take to dealer 2 times for software upgrade to “fix” it. 2. Bad gas mileage. Normal x3 4 turbo gets 3-5 miles better mileage than the plug-in when driving in gas mode.
I still think there should be both, much like my 2016 Volt. The Volt doesnt' do hybrid really. It's an EV with a gas powered range extender. I wish more companies did this and Chevy didn't drop it. Because an EV becomes ultimately useless if you want to road trip or tow something. Sure DC fast charge is fast, but not 3min at the pump fast. EV's can be highly useful in the city for short trips, and "cheaper" (if it's paid off). But long distance gas will always be preferred. Hell at this point I think we should go back to diesel given how clean it's gotten in newer vehicles.
Driving a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV in Sweden, being a pensionist, I find it really economical, if you drive it with your brain, drive it sensibly. I plug it in regularly, hardly use any gas at all, except on long journeys. The secret of low consumption even then is to use the B0 for freewheeling, just cruising whenever it´s possible. It´s not a sports car. The sport is to use as little gas as possible whenever you´re out there. I´m happy so far.
The thing about PHEVs and even regular hybrids is that they're really only fuel efficient for city driving. If you live in a city and aren't driving on the highway or wide open rural roads and stick mostly to stop-and-start traffic, a PHEV can stay on battery for all or most of your trip. Move to the suburbs or a rural area, and the PHEV is just a regular hybrid, switching to the gas engine much more often. I drive a non-plug-in Kia Niro in the city, and I've gotten trip MPGs as high as 72 mpg (in spring, when the car is most efficient) and am on the battery for around 80% of the time. I drive less than 20 miles a day, so if I did have a PHEV, I could see it working for me. I seriously thought about getting a PHEV or true EV last year when I bought my Niro, but couldn't find a PHEV anywhere, and my EV research found that public charging options aren't quite there yet in my area (mostly slow-charging options).
I dont want to wait 2 hours to charge. Also its worst for the envoirment so no. I also sleep in my car and you wont be able to leave the car running idle.
I charge my EV in 12 seconds. Six seconds to plug it in when I go to bed, and a further six seconds to unplug it when I get up in the morning. I do this every 8 to 9 days. I have almost 300 miles on a full charge. I've never needed my car while I've slept, so it's a good time to charge.
I have been driving a Prius Prime/PHEV for 3 year with a daily commute about 75km, I charge it every night so I get about 40km I pure EV. It is a fantastic concept however if you by PHEV and not charge it then it is a waste. Over all my PHEV gas consumption at pump after 80kkm is 3.1 l/100km I Think it is pretty good!
Since both the wife and I are retired and handicapped. I doubt I can afford to save the money they say I will switching to an EV. And our power bill is high enough now without the load imposed by a charging system. We also live in the mountains of Western North Carolina so I seriously doubt we can get the miles per charge they claim. Our garage is the only flat portion of any trip we may take.
I take a lot of road trips from Fresno to LA to San Francisco to Yosemite to Monterey, Santa Maria etc..usually in the same day for about 12 hours of driving .. and I rent hybrids and regular cars and notice no difference in fuel economy
Hybrids and PHEVs are city cars. Their main advantage is being able to store energy while slowing in order to use that while accelerating. They don't have much advantage at constant speeds.
@@Snerdles what are your talking about? I have a Hyundai Ioniq hybrid. Look it up. I get 60-65 miles per gallon on the interstate. Show me ANY car that runs on gas alone that even comes close to that!
I just switched out of my Kia Sportage to a Kia optima plug-in hybrid and I absolutely love the fact that I can drive on the EV alone. And I know my routes and stations by now, and even my stores that I visit, on my job route (market manager) have charge up stations available with two to three hours for free which easily keeps you running on the EV without having to dip into the gas. I fully acknowledge that I lost space that I loved in the Sportage but at the same time I'm saving massively on my monthly payment and gas.
I've put 2636 miles on my '21 Honda Clarity since purchasing it new last August, and have only put about 10 gallons of gas in it since it was topped off by the dealer upon purchase. Even if the ICE is more polluting than a typical gas engine vehicle's (and I don't know how a 103hp Atkinson cycle would be), I can hardly see how it's a less green vehicle overall given that I'm getting more than 200mpg. Scotty, you made a video on my Clarity last fall in RI, hope to see that uploaded soon!
For a customer to purchase any SUV regardless of being hybrid or even BEV then run around saying they care about the environment are also known as hypocritics
Well, unfortunately a pure EV will not work currently as the charging network isnt built in some parts of our country so for me a PHEV would be great as I have fairly short daily commute. But for longer trips and towing BEV dont cut it yet. Btw. The US gas prices are sooo cheap compared to europe. Both petrol and electricity prices will be doubled within the comming decade…
In Canada, for BEV and PHEV, you have to get an SUV if you want some towing capacity. Otherwise you're throwing away your car's warranty. It is stupid, but I'm not waiting for the government to wake up.
I'm a Prius Prime owner. Retired so 90+% of my travels are local, within a radius of 12 miles. I fill it with gas 2 or 3 times a year, the rest of the time I'm running on EV power. Least expensive car to operate I've ever owned.
I can't help but notice that as oil crisis spikes and things happen around the world, we're suddenly being told that EVs are the way to go and gasoline is killing us faster. It maybe just me, but I'm noticing a trend with this, which is why I am still staying away from EV for now.
I have a 2017 Prius Prime PHEV in New Hampshire. I just charged it tonight for $0.60, and go as far on that, as 1/2 gallon of gas. I like paying $1.20/gallon for gas! Most people have higher electric rates than here, but still, you can pay a lot more than my $1.20/gallon for the EV part of the range, and still have nothing to complain about. At my business, I don't have a place to charge, so just get to use the original charge at home for the whole round trip. Doing that, I got home last night, with the following stats: 101.5 mile round trip commute, averaging 90.9mpg. So I used 1.117 gallons of gas and 6.6kWh of electricity. Had I needed to buy gas, the cheapest on my route was $3.859/gallon at Pengin Fuel in Milford, NH. So to go 101.5 miles, I used $4.31 of gas and $0.60 of electricity. I figure that is 30 miles on electric (vs EPA EV range 25) and 64.0mpg overall on gas (vs EPA 54mpg combined). Even if the odometer or trip computer is optimistic, those numbers are real in my case, because I'm running oversized tires (205/70R15 at 50psi vs 196/65R15 at 36/35psi stock). On trips around town, I can get a lot done in 30 miles of driving without the engine kicking on at all.
I recon PHEV's have 2 other big problems over BEV's ! [1] Due to their high complexity they must be much harder and dearer to repair ! [2] And their batteries will get far more stressed on a 50km drive each day compared to BEV's. An EV kept on the charger each night will typically operate in the 80 to 100% charge zone, while the PHEV cycles in the zero to 100% charge zone !
I have a Rav4 Prime. Driving around the city the ICE engine seldom turns on and I can get 80 km per full charge. On a long trip, primarily on the ICE, I get 6.7 l/100km @ 110km/hr and 5.9l/100km at 80km/hr. In Canada the car is rated for 62 km of EV range and 6.9l/100km on the highway for theICE engine. If you do a lot of short trips (I.e. daily commute of about 60km round trip) and a few long road trips, this car does everything (or more) it says it will. EV performance is degraded in the winter (3-4months where I live), but then it runs largely as an ICE and is comparable to the standard Rav4 hybrid. I know someone with a heated garage and her car runs like it was summer when for the first few hours.
Totally agree with you, I’m so happy with my rav4 prime, it definitely goes above the specifications, in (US) the advertised range is 42 miles, I get over 50 driving conservatively… highly recommended
If you don’t charge the phev, you’re driving a heavier version of the hybrid only car, which will be less efficient than the pure hybrid. My Prius Prime plug in has delivered 80 mpg over 70,000 miles. Most of the driving was at about 30 miles per day, with 20 miles purely on the battery.
Yeah, the RAV4 hybrid, it got a wire that corrodes in a couple of years, Wire part number is 821h10r011 4800$ CAN + Job time $, and it's a major problem, and Toyota doesn't want to pay for it, your Toyota's are not more reliable than the others.
My retired Father bought a PHEV, and hardly ever puts Petrol in it, except when he takes a trip out bush. There's no subsidy for the vehicle here in Australia where I live. But Dad can bore you to tears with how he charges his car when his Solar Panels are working at Peak Efficiency. The problem is with the drivers, and not the vehicles. And unless we want a nearly uninhabitable Planet we all have to do something. Charging your car at home is not a big sacrifice.
Screw those tree huggers. My wife has a RAV4 Prime. She's retired and rarely drives more than10-15 miles a day. She gets 40+ miles on EV only. It works out great for her. Now if you commute and can't plug in at work then you would save much less. It wouldn't work for me because I like to lead foot it around in sport mode all wheel drive... it's FAST.
This is NOT a diesel-gate situation. Unlike diesel-gate, there has been no falsification of test results, nor has there been any attempt to program the cars to behave differently while being tested. An owner who uses the car intelligently can duplicate the official PHEV performance at any time. The problem is that it's possible for the owner/operator to misuse the PHEV in a way that makes it much less green. Under those conditions, I agree that PHEV incentives don't make a lot of sense. That's a regulatory failure, not a "scam" from manufacturers.
How does a car mechanic make such amazing videos? Do you have a team? I have two Pacifica hybrids and have racked up 330,000km total. I don't give a damn about the mythical co2 but am thrilled with the gas saving and smoothness of the van. Haven't spent a dime on any repairs.
T&E hates internal combustion engines, even the ones running on renewable fuels and/or synthetic e-fuels. That's why... One wonders which companies T&E serves for... I would also take T&E's findings with a grain of salt...
Hybrid and Fully Electric Vehicles are not worth it and the range of garbage not even worth it. In Australia we have FE and PIEV however we don’t have they infrastructure along the way aka “Chargers” to be able to do long trips etc. I just bought the new 2022 Subaru Outback and rather a fuel driven vehicle over an electric any day
@@ImcaamYT Just check the side door it will tell you were it was built at.The 2018 Rav4 were built in Japan the new ones are not along with the Highlander.
All of this emissions crap is the work of biased groups like the T&E and the EV bigots who look own their noses at everyone else. Cars need to be evaluated on their capabilities not on how someone perceives they are used. I have a Toyota RAV4 Prime and the last time I got gas was 1/14. I have used 5 gallons, almost all to help heat the car when the temperature was so low the heat pump wasn't effective. At least I had heat when some EVs probably didn't. In the mean time I'll scold my Prime for emitting tons of CO2 on less than a 2 gal/mo average. I bet it will use almost zero this summer.
@@Toyeboy89 No the Prime vehicle always starts in EV. If you turn on thre Defroster the engine will come on because heat source generation above the electric heat pump is requested. nobody intentionally runs the engine to charge the battery. MPG drops too much. It is an intentional selection and the vehicle does not do it in any automatic way. Most around home driving is easily done within the scope of the EV battery and at home charging from 120VAC 15A circuit or Level 1 charging. So no special charging station is required. LOnger trips or driving above 40MPH it is logical to use gas. Prime Premium can charge in 2.5Hours from a level 2 or 240VAC 40A charging station but overnight at Level 1 or a standard home circuit is easy.
I have a Mitsubishi Outlander phew 2016 and use this for the commute to work. I have a competition with myself daily to keep the lpm to 0, which I manage easily. I do this by driving very lightly and planning ahead in traffic. Instead of turning the heater on I survive using the seat and steering wheel heaters. I also always charge. So basically i drive an EV 99% of the year. The few times I am doing a long drive i manage to use 7.2 liters per 100km
I appreciate car companies similar to Volkswagen a few years back trying to give their customers an actual good experience other than actually following these arbitrary government mandates for cars
My Volvo V60 T8 does 6,5L/100km on highway and it does drive electric mode almost exclusively in the city. During the summer. In the winter it’s just perpetually waming the cat, turning the engine off and warming the cat again… so yeah, it’s emission free in the city during the summer…
Yep. The claim will be that commuting is where the car shines. But, in winter the gas engine has to turn on to heat the interior for passenger comfort; summer: you guessed it - the a/c has to come on in many cases for passenger comfort. So...
Complexity is the enemy of reliability. A PHEV powertrain is about as complicated of a power system as one could possibly conceive of. Combine an Internal combustion engine that will have thousands and thousands of cold starts and short runs with a smallish lithium battery that will lose half its capacity in a couple years along with some sophisticated power combining scheme and a lot of computer controls. What could possibly go wrong 🤦🏻
I have a Chevy Volt. Drive it same as my previous gas only cars. All I can say is I fill 9 gal tank every 2 months. My 4runner filled 18 gal tank every week
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Scotty, Do you spend less money with an electric car or with a gasoline one? My guess is that electrical cars are more expensive, in this regard. Right?
@RR Continued Thank you, Scotty. I do not have an electric car, yet. That's why I was asking, to see which type of car is better! Happy Easter!
Elites playing politics. What's new.
@RR Continued Not true. The RAV4 hybrid, gasoline and Prime all have he same engine (2.5L). Most small PHEVs have the same engine as their hybrid cousins and these are all typical small car engines ( 1.6 to 1.8 liters) , often Atkinson cycle engines that are more gasoline use efficient.
Is this for real, pardon me for asking.
Just remember kids, it's all marketing. It's all about the money. Truth is, you'd be fine in a 40 year old car that was paid off and runs reliably. The only thing anything new promises is more money for corporations.
I think Scotty would agree. 👍
That’s true. A new Tesla is tempting but my 8 year old Prius is still getting me around at 50mpg at 125k miles, it feels new still. No plans to replace it any time soon.
'' reliably'' doesnt mean '' comfortably''
I did some back of the napkin math. If I drive my corolla to 400000 miles, it will emit about 100 tons of CO2 over this time.
Honestly that's not that bad for 400000 miles.
As long as it’s not boring slow Japanese car
My wife's 08 Civic with 250,000 miles on it runs just fine and gets incredible mpg. Keep old cars running! You don't need a fancy electric car to show how progressive and environmentally friendly you are.
Edit: Thank you Honda for building such reliable cars that are relatively inexpensive to maintain. Hopefully American auto manufacturers one day can achieve quality over quantity again.
Make Detroit Great Again
@@Tambdubillota So what? India is a mess.Who cares what they do?
@@Tambdubillota that’s stupid
I agree! My Ford Focus 2003 has 214k miles, incredible mpg and still fun to drive!
@@Tambdubillota That's insane!!!
NGK Rothenum HX spark plugs get 4 More mpg & good for 200k.
Crap happens when politicians become societie's Scientist while manufacturers strive to comply with the political dictatorship.
Power and Money. At the end corruptions.
My thoughts exactly. Gov't mandated polices implemented in an attempt to direct societal change - what could possibly go wrong? Hoover and the Great Depression come to mind. By all accounts his mandated policies, rather than ending the Great Depression, actually extended it by many years. If fossil fuel cars are destroying the planet then get the info out there and let the people make up their own minds what cars to buy. Otherwise STFU and let the market do what it's going to do, any interference with mandated polices is fascistic.
Left to auto makers, we'd still be driving cars with 1940s technology.
@Shinidoshi money is the best innovator of technology
@@robj2704 Of course! Just look at computers and cell phones. No significant changes have been made in these domains in 50 years.
Everyone should learn this lesson well and soon: Most everything you hear/see in any marketing campaign is either exaggerated or downright FALSE. I've worked in marketing departments before (as an IT guy), I couldn't believe what I saw them say. Moral of the story: ALWAYS INVESTIGATE ALL CLAIMS FOR YOURSELF!
One thing I know for sure is this. We cannot consume our way out of this situation. We cannot just continually buy new cars and expect this will make the planet greener.
I drive a 1995 Toyota and do about 7,000km per year.
If I purchased a new Tesla and did the same kms, charging from the grid in Australia. It would take me probably 15 years to be greener. By then the Tesla battery would need to be replaced.
so youre implying a tesla battery only lasts 100km? lolol
@@TaylorPhase Things aren't going to be any greener, get it!
All I do is take kids to school and myself to work and I drive over triple that distance a year. And my commute is short.
@@TaylorPhase It kind of seems like you don't know that batteries have a shelf life separate from miles and mistake your ignorance + fanboyism as a pass to let you be a tool.
Back to bicycles and horses, folks. One of the problems I see is that from the time I was a youngster in the 1950s, families had one car. Today mom, dad and the legal age children all have cars. We have too many cars and that is a problem we created. Doesn't matter if we have and EV or an ICE automobile. They all consume energy in one form or another. Too many cars. Too many toys, too many of everything that sucks up energy.
I always wonder what’s the effects to the environment that the batteries would have from the gases that are released, also the waste from millions of ev batteries going bad.
Carnegie Mellon did a study and found the batteries pollute more than the CO2 emissions.
Manufacturing of battery packs is definitely energy intensive. The good thing is the batteries are fairly easy to recycle, lowering the impact. I think that recycling is going to be a pretty huge growth industry over the next decade.
Im thing about all the manufacturering effects of the world. That will be a huge carbon footprint.
@@mylesgray3470 The lithium batteries used in cars are not "fairly easy to recycle". It can be done, but it is nowhere nearly as easy as recycling lead-acid batteries. I'm guessing that eventually you will be charged a "recycling" fee when your EV hits end of life.
@@stevegraves2968 it is still less than petrol though
After 6 months of waiting we just got our RAV4 Prime. WE LOVE IT!!! My wife drives right around 40 miles a day. She still has the original gas that was in the card when we bought it. So yes, it has been amazing.
I used to get as much as 46mpg on my old 2008 Honda Civic. Replaced it with a 2015 Ford Fusion hybrid and could never get more than 42mpg. Seems a decent small car with an efficient engine is what we need until they get the battery capacity to at least 500 miles with a fast recharge.
My wife has an 08 Civic as well. You're not wrong about the mpg. It's ridiculously cheap to run and operate. As long as she doesn't wreck it, we'll put as much money into keeping it running as possible.
The Fusion is a bigger car though so 42mpg is really good in a car that heavy.
I got a Chevy Spark a few years ago. Sounds like it ought to be an EV or hybrid but it's normal gas. I get an average of 46mpg with it. Almost the same as my wife gets with her Toyota Prius C. It's a pleasure to park too because it's so short.
@@BooDamnHoo Careful with the Sparks. They’re known for overheated engines and fires.
@@hunter3836 What year? Mines a 2014. Haven't had any problems about anything so far. 45k miles.
Never a fan of PHEV or HEV. Too complicated and low availability means higher fix cost and long wait time.
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I’ve had a Prius prime I and got 88mph and i had 50k + when i sold it my wife health was such we had to change to a larger size vehicle
The previous Prius that I had. Had 250000 miles on it before i traded it in on the prime i loved both and on the prime what i loved about it is that on short errands less than about 25 miles I would use zero gasoline
But if I wanted to make a 300 mile trip to see my family no recharge anxiety just fill it up and go in the hybrid mode
The best of both worlds
I love when you do these PSA videos. These are so well put together. Wonderful work Scotty.
Just use the larger battery to heat the catalytic converter.
This carbon witch hunt is a joke, which is no joke.
electrified the Catalyic converter so if the pirates tries to steal the catalyic converter off, they would get electricuted.
its All about Control and Taxation....Nothing More...!!!
Climate change is a hoax. LNG burns clean ...so does hydrogen the most abundant thing in the universe
It's tree hugging at any cost. Great job Scotty!
Hey scotty i bought rav4 prime after watching your reveiw and my daily commute is 32 to 36 miles daily. So my gas engine didn't turned on except for long drives or contrary if you drive car with heavy paddle but on long journeys it will give me range of 40 mpg if you drive at 75 mph but as soon as you drive above 75 mph it's range drops to 35 to 30 mpg and I also think it has same mechanism of prius/ prius prime and it will heat up the catalytic converter. I suggest you should make dedicated video on rav4 prime milage and test all scenarios in real life situations
Good video and discussion. We own a 2020 Prius Plug in Hybrid and a 2021 RAV4 Plug in Hybrid. We find we get the same electric range as Toyota claimed we would. I love these cars and feel like we robbed a bank every time we drive past a gas station. My wife's driving habits with the RAV4 are such that she goes months without filling up. I find the Prius costs about $1 in electricity for the 25 miles we get on pure electric. The RAV4 costs about $2.50 in electricity for the 42 miles we get. Great.
I have a PHEV and I'm in Europe and I largely agree with everything you said there. The only thing is you could argue the same with Any Technology. Any heavy footed driver will create. More co2 regardless of what they drive.
Saying that I have just bought a 3.0ltr H6 Subaru Outback that has a 72ltr LPG gas tank attached. Now that's the fuel cheat everyone has fogotten. When folk are paying £1.80 a litre. I am paying 62p a litre to fill that one up! It burns cleaner too!!!
Scotty, I have been driving a Chevrolet Volt for 5 years and I'm trying hard to get my hands on a RAV-4 Prime. Why would a red State horse power loving former AAI Trained mechanic do such a thing? 1- They are so much fun to drive. Electric instant torque is even superior to my years of driving Turbo charged Diesel trucks both Ford and GM. 2= I love driving by gas stations and thumbing my nose at OPEC and Americas fuel prices in general since purchasing my Volt I'm averaging over 102 MPG.
The Volt is a great looking car that is fun to drive and mine gets compliments frequently. I like you have lost faith in GM as of late and that is why I look forward to being a RAV-4 Prime owner. Why ? Fastest Toyota that they have ever built themselves. They average 94 MPG and were I drive in Eastern Nevada on long trips it can get 600 miles of range with NO RANGE ANXIETY !!!!!!! Take it from an old Mechanic PHEV's that have at least 40 miles EV only range and then get 38-40 MPG on gas are a dream come true for me . I seldom put fuel in my Volt and then only when I go out of my Valley where I live, I really enjoy watching your program. Please let us all know what you think of the coming Mitsubishi Out lander PHEV in 2023. They claim better range 50 miles and as good or better MPG and a three row CUV platform. Keep up the good work Scotty. Dr Staley
The Supra is the fastest Toyota then the rav4 prime
@@fallguy4209 That is why I said specifically MADE BY THEM. BMW is the actual brains behind the Supra.
I love my Volt, they really are fun to drive
I want the RAV4 Prime too. Great range on all electric, or with the gas engine. All wheel drive. The perfect suburban family vehicle in the north.
I got a RAV4 Prime last year. It is perfect for MY driving. Scotty points out the issue of PHEV owners not plugging in. That's a problem with the user, not the vehicle. I micro-manage forcing the RAV4 into hybrid mode when I hit the highway, and I save the battery power to be sure the gas engine won't turn on between the highway and my house when I'm stopping at stop signs and traffic lights. The alternative for me would have been to own 2 vehicles. I can justify tying up a little more capital for the benefit of only paying for one car in the driveway than can take me on the occasional road trip, but run off battery only for 5 days out of the week. I have tried to figure out how much extra gas it takes to charge the battery while driving on the highway. My gut says it should be marginal if the gas engine is already running, but without some more detailed measuring devices, I don't think I'll ever be able to get a conclusive answer.
PHEV’s are good if your normal daily driving is under 40 miles a day, which is most people… when you need more, it can do it.
I'll stick with my inexpensive hybrid and enjoy the 37+ MPG and not worry about how much tree air it emits.
I don't care too much about gas mileage because I like my hotrod and my SUV.
Exactly!
My 07 civic hybrid was averaging 38mpg but after 230k it's at 36mpg . Oh well it's been a very low maintenance car and stil dependable. On my fifth set of tires ,4 set of struts 3dr set of front bracks the rear drums are original. Had to replace a rear wheel hub assembly it was cheap $30.and it only took me 30 mins. to replace. Oh all 3 motor mounts had to be replaced we have a lot of blind dips in my neck of the woods that caused the mounts to brake prematurely. Over all a inexpensive car to drive. Almost forgot the hybrid battery pack was replaced in Warranty at 164000 miles. No problems since.
At what cost? What does it take to manufacture the battery?
What is THAT environmental impact?
Ty for this.
Lithium batteries contain the most hazardous waste on planet earth
I read somewhere that for every car battery manufactured , 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust has to be processed, not exactly environmentally friendly!
There are numerous TH-cam videos that will provide you with this information..
The reality of this situation is that There is huge impact on our planet in the mining of the limited resources that are required for this one..
TH-cam channel Wion give you the facts on the dark side of EV's.
"Good God, I can't afford the extra $15 a fill-up, so I'll go out and spend $40,000+ on an EV and charging station for my home."
Lol....
It's not just about cost. Purposefully getting things wrong rubs people the wrong way. A lot of these people just want to support a new technology that they find cool or useful. And with the subsidies from the government on purchase price, you don't end up spending that much extra for a PHEV compared to a regular hybrid or ICE car. For example, the Rav4 ICE costs ~27k and the Rav4 PHEV (prime) costs ~40k. With the federal subsidy of 7.5k you get a cost difference of ~5.5k. Given current gas prices of ~5$/gal, the combined MPG of 30 for the ICE, 94 mpge for the PHEV, and a cost of 0.20/kwh of electricity, that means ~0.17$/mile for the ICE and ~0.07$/mile for the PHEV (assuming ideal electrical conditions and purely electric driving; things get complicated if we have mixed EV and hybrid usage in the PHEV) for a total difference of ~9.5 cents/mile (difference due to rounding). It would take ~33k miles of driving to make up this difference in price. With an average driving distance of 13.5k miles/year, it'd take about 2 years and 5 months of driving for the equilibrium, considering only gas prices.
There are claims that EVs and PHEVs cost less to maintain than ICE cars, but this claim is suspect because there aren't many PHEVs and BEVs out there and, due to being new, we don't have a good grasp of their long-term maintenance cost as a group rather than just as relates to Tesla's (in)ability to create high quality cars.
At $0.10/kWh, the math might make sense.
Plus higher diesel = Much higher food prices too
@@thedopplereffect00 For you, perhaps. For a lot of people the $0.20/kwh makes sense. Just depends on your usecase and your situation. There's other benefits to using an EV such as free usage of HOV lanes, better parking spaces, and reduced toll prices, but that will differ by locality and state.
For me, I pay between 0.25 and 0.40 per kwh so the electric vehicle doesn't make much sense. Especially at the 0.40/kwh since that'd narrow the per-mile cost difference to ~0.03/mile which would make the switch to EV pretty much worthless since you'd need to drive something like 180k miles to break even which is something that I haven't been able to do in 10 years of driving.
Unfortunately , most people won't be able to ever afford one of these .
Especially seniors.
That's the idea. Restrict freedom of travel eventually.
Wayne J bingo
@@wljansen somebody gets it
@@wljansen there are other options and if you look at the low cost electric vehicle being sold in China and India you see what's in our future. Right now the auto industry can get away with gouging, but as more and more people convert, the market will get more competitive and affordable cars will be available.
Impressive video, Scotty. Presents many sides of the arguments for and against.
I drive a 1998 intrigue with the legendary 3.8 v6. Bought it off an old man with 78k on it for 1400$ last year. Ill drive this thing for 10 years or more. Very comfortable and reliable
From what this video states, PHEVs already break Co2 standards, so they are in violation to begin with. They are a sacred cow and it will never be enforced. They hated Diesel from the beginning and put the screws to VW to develop electric vehicles. Politics at its finest.
And now they wonder why the oil industry doesn't want to pump oil like mad right now to make prices come down, so that politicians look good when prices fall. Once that happens they will go back to demonizing the whole industry and claim they basically want it to go away....
Private PHEV owners have a built-in incentive for charging their vehicles, in that the cost of electricity is much cheaper than adding gasoline. PHEVs also get better overall fuel economy than comparable ICE vehicles for two reasons. Not only can PHEVs travel significant distances using electric motors only, but they also require smaller engines to achieve similar performance, since the electric motor boosts acceleration, not to mention the efficiency gained from regenerative braking. Ultimately hybrids and PHEVs are a stop gap technology, in the complete transition from ICE automobiles to EVs. As battery technologies advance, range and charging times will improve to the point that the internal combustion engine will have no advantages.
M- You're trying to reason with a push-rod mentality.
E cars has a larger carbon footprint than a typical car.
no they dont...
@@TaylorPhase They do for a few years yes
Facts
Considering how for the past 80 years of failed climate predictions, this EV fad is no different. Great way to make money for large corporations!
@@SouthoftheHill I agree with you
Before hearing about plug in hybrids I thought it would be a good idea to have an electric vehicle with a liquid fuel range extender. Not sure why these hybrids need to have the higher output engines in them when a tiny 50bhp engine will do most of what you actually need.
Put in your destination before setting off, and the car could choose the best way to get there.
50hp. Just a camper generator or Aptera.. screw Programs APPS. Complicated at birth an gone in 2 years.
@@tomrepurpose2770 Or a litre engine that will run for many, many years. Not sure what camping you are doing, I don't need anything like 50hp to run my house, even if the generator is really bad.
Coal miners will be happy with the need for more electricity as more electric vehicles hit the road.
Hell yeah might have to go back to the mines. 😆
they still use coal where youre at?
@@TaylorPhase no I'm in Texas they don't even know what coal is. I was raised in Grundy Virginia and worked in the coal mines for a few years.
They certainly aren't going to generate enough electricity from wind and solar power. Not to mention the electrical grid is a long ways off from being able to supply that much power for 100's of millions of EVs in just the USA. And not to mention all the gas powered mowers will be phased out along with other gas powered devices including NG furnaces and stoves. Nope, I don't see this change over to all electric happening anytime soon. And now I've heard that there are electric powered short range aircraft.
To be able to support EVs (NON hybrid) you will have to double the size of the power grid and double number of power plants. That will take 30 years ...and who will pay for it ?
I bought a 2015 Fusion PHEV and we use for commuting and I fill it up about once a month. It has been both economical and reliable. As for BEVs the playing field needs to be levelled and BEVs need to start paying road taxes.
Always good information from Scotty
Glad you are keeping them honest Scotty.
I love my ioniq hybrid. See no reason for a plug in. I get 65mpg and the emissions can't be much on this little 1.6 liter. I think hybrids are the way to go until they make EV charging faster and more plentiful. I know the Hyundai ioniq 5 has the fastest charging capability right now. Probably the only EV I'd consider.
PHEV is really only a Hybrid with a larger battery.
Scotty, yet again another excellent video! I said keep making them like this, and you hit them out of the park. I own a Ford Fusion plug-in hybrid, very nice vehicle, I just wish it had 50% more range on electric. I'd say about 70% of our mileage has been electric. To those that say using a 20 year old car is better, I disagree. Just remember when you get a new one and sell the old one, something much worse gets scrapped.
It really seems like this is inconclusive. It's all based on how you drive... the efficiency and emissions should be represented for all real world driving conditions. That is combursome, but a good step forward to transparency for consumers.
Scotty has the best channel on TH-cam it’s not even close constant source of knowledge.
PHEV and BEVs only make sense if you have a place to plug in your car overnight.
Which means pretty much everyone with a garage and an electrical socket. But, without upgrading your electric circuit, only a PHEV is practical since you can reasonably charge them overnight after a day's driving. A BEV might not be able to charge enough to replace the day's usage if you drive over a certain amount so you can end up without a car when you need it.
I don’t have a garage, so it’s all exposed to northern NY (Syracuse) weather. Ice is the problem when you try to open and close the charge port door.
@@justhecuke if you drive more than 40 miles round trip everyday, then your just need to upgrade your charger to something like 30 amp @240V
There both useless....
@@thedopplereffect00 this generally requires upgrading your electrical system, which is why I say that it's largely impractical to have EVs since that is pretty inconvenient and expensive to do for a car. 30a240V is 7200w which is way beyond what normal home circuits can handle. For reference, an entire home uses about 3000w and about 6000w with everything on. You are suggesting more than doubling that.
I recently bought a 2022 Prius and decided to go with the regular hybrid instead of the plug-in (“Prime”), because of initial purchase cost and the fact that the plug-in is both a lot heavier and has reduced cargo space vs the hybrid. If I were a daily commuter with a 30-mile/day round trip, I might have considered the Prime, but it doesn’t make sense otherwise.
Same here. I also have a ‘22 Prius and was considering the Prime. Researching it, I discovered that the Prime can switch to gas depending on how you accelerate, and in cold weather. I would have considered it more if the electric range was about 40 miles, as well a little more power (like the RAV4 Prime). Otherwise I average between 50mpg (winter) and 60mpg. Pretty happy with it.
Come on your name is Halliburton and you bought a hybrid?
Plus you have to wait at least 2 years to get a 'Prime'.
We bought recently a RAV4 Hybrid and only waited 6 months.
Made a lot more sense then to wait 2 years and still use my 18mpg Tacoma until the 'Prime' showed up.
@@BoucherYe Ha-ha. I get that all the time.
There's a major issue that all proponents of bev's keep ignoring. In "flyover country" an all electric vehicle simply won't work. It quite simply can't. 20, 30, 40 mile ranges are impossible in the middle of the country where it's frequently 50 to 70 miles from household to grocery stores. You are guaranteed to be stranded at the side of the road. Even if the grocery store is within driving range, you have to charge it up when you get there which takes anywhere from 4 to 6 hours. Going to twiddle your thumbs for that long? No. What about fast charge? OK but fast charge only gives about 80%. Since you are already at max range, you are going to be stranded several miles from home. Flyover country encompasses fully half, if not 3/4ths of the US. Planning on leaving half the country on foot???
Hybrid vehicles are the only workable compromise at this time.
25 miles to Trader Joe’s with another stop and back home 25 more miles no accounting for deviation. My Lexus Hybrid gets gassed and no problem.
BEV range is not 40 or 50 miles. That is PHEV range. Minimum BEV range is usually around 200 miles. Watch the video again.
@@BigPaul3122 - While that makes things better, it isn't a full answer. Until batteries are capable of 400 miles, a hybrid is going to be a more viable choice for the middle of the country. I was aware Tesla was working on 200. Wasn't aware it was accomplished. And what about trucks and pickups? If they are working vehicles, that battery is going to drain super fast.
@@kirkboswell2575 There is no complete answer yet, no. I have a Rav 4 hybrid, not PHEV and I get between 50 and 60 mpg. That’ll do for me. Like most people I’m not ready to commit to full EV with the range currently available. That is European gallons btw.
So what? If you're over 20 miles from the nearest grocery store, you're living in a very low population density area which means this doesn't effect a lot of Americans. I don't think BEVs are marketed to those types living out in the middle of nowhere and a gasoline or diesel powered vehicle makes perfect sense for them. Of course there are plenty of large towns and small cities in "flyover country" that have the infrastructure to make BEVs practical even in more rural areas.
Plug in hybrids have to be driven a little differently. I have two. And if you use the cruise control (yes, in town as well) both get over 40 mpg even on an empty battery.
As a former c-max energi owner (a phev) although I loved the pleasent-ness of the ride it was so smooth and quiet and I would've done anything possible to keep the car going but it was a 2014 and the computers began having issues and it was basically a heavily modified Windows operating system underneath and it was like dealing with a Windows vista computer when windows 10 was new and absolutely nobody but the original dealership would touch it who wanted $150 just to look up the codes and get a possible idea of the issue (I had the codes scanned at a AutoZone for free, high voltage isolation fault of some kind sounded very high level and I was informed it was an issue with hybrid system and only they could truly scan it) and so I traded it off and fortunately the dealer didn't look at dashboard too hard and I gave them the mileage so that they wouldn't look too closely at the errors which by then had turned into low battery warnings ⚠️ killing the odometer, speedometer, and half of the fancy computer things (actually purchased a cheapo phone at Walmart to put in the dash so that I knew my speed, but when they offered me a couple of thousand less than what I bought it for I was going to take it and of course I played hard ball like I wasn't so I got as good a deal as I could get. Yes they're a great idea but you must remember that if you have a 5 year old phev then you have a 5 year old computer and the more time goes by the worse that situation will become and as the 8 or 10 year hybrid warranty expires you risk having a brick on wheels that nobody will work on and nobody wants.
Most people do not seem to understand this. The new EVs are rolling computers and there will come a point noone will work on it. Also, look at the way the software industry operates today compared to in the past. All new software is buggy as hell with constant updates being issued. For example look at the OS on your phone, how many updates have you done in the past year. This is largely do to incompetence in coding, most coding is done with cut and paste functions written by previous engineers in previous generations. Not many people write new code from scratch anymore, nor does coding go through intensive testing as in the past, and its releases early. That is why coding for all sorts of things is buggy as hell. So now image that buggy coding while traveling 70 mph on a highway, or having to fix it long after the new release has come out.
The Ford C-Max is known to be a POS. Buy a Prius, I’ve owned two of them and their great! I’m a ford guy but they really dropped the ball on that one. Now the new Maverick Hybrid, that thing is sweet!
Would be much better if the car companies used a modified Unix or Linux operating systems for their vehicles! I've been working in IT for over 10 years and all operating systems have their issues if they are not maintained or configured correctly but Windows has always had more issues than other operating systems. Update: Just found an article that says Tesla, Ford, Jaguar Land Rover, Nissan, and Toyota are using Red Hat Linux in their cars.
I have the cmax too. The pre Android auto interface is crap. Only get 10 mi EV range now with a longer commute. That said, with tax credits+ gas savings on shorter commute we saved maybe $10,000 over the years. Really want something with 40 mi EV range, but I want it to be more reliable.
True, millenials have made ALL CARS. Expensive game stations !
I might consider a hybrid the way gas prices have been rising but would probably lease instead of purchase. They need to improve our grid, increase the amount of charging stations (especially in smaller towns), and the price of the vehicle needs to come down before I would consider an EV.
And, what is the cost of replacing the batteries?
nothing. as long as theres a lifetime warranty, like on hyundais batteries
About half the price you paid for the car
I've heard that'll cost anywhere from $16,000 to $22,000 if you're out of warranty. I wouldn't be surprised if the warranty is prorated just like the 12V batteries are.
@@TaylorPhase Nope, not according to their website. 10 years or 100000 miles. Some online report that they get lifetime warranty for the original owner only and it only covers total failure, not degradation.
we payed $2500 to replace the battery when we had the 04 honda civic hybrid.
I liked some of the first electric cars that had an electric motor at each wheel, and a smal finely tuned gas motor that charged the battery when needed. The gas motor ran cleanly and efficiently so the emissions and mileage were both really good. No transmission either. I wouldn't be surprised to see that design come back.
Mike S....That design is back....or perhaps never left...I do not really know. My daughter just bought a 2022 Honda CRV-Hybrid....not the plug in.... that has those electric motors at each wheel, with the regenerative charging of the batteries by the gas engine whenever the brakes are applied or when the battery charge drops below a certain percentage. I have driven her car and I really like it; very smooth ride, great handling, plenty of power, very quiet with just using electric and even when the gas motor kicks in, it is still quiet. She is getting a steady 37 mpg living in a large metropolitan area. No...it doesn't get the best mpg of available vehicles but it suits her needs having a teen-ager and always needing the extra room of an SUV type vehicle.
ALL vehicles are polluting. Battery cars require to be charged. Where does this power come from; straight from the sun or a water or wind turbine?
Water... here in BC.
PHEV OWNER HERE! - I can't say what emits from my tailpipe, but as for Fuel Consumption PHEV's are a no brainer. I'm averaging 100mpg. I top off most days and I rarely drive beyond 20 miles a day with a 30 mile range, so 90% of my driving is all electric. The avg American drives 26 miles a day and sleeps 7hrs... So In my view this is a consumer issue.
NO! I hate being forced or told what I have to do period !
I said what I said and I'll stand till the death 👍
Move out to mountains lmao
@@fbyi2940 That's funny I live in the mountains and I like it here just fine LOL
@@davidkucher5.0Coy 👍
No one is forcing you to buy an EV or PHEV, despite what certain media sources try and tell you.
I’m averaging 34.3 mpg (combined city/highway) after nearly four years and 104,000 trouble-free miles from my 2018 Civic EXT. Even with the higher fuel prices today, I’m very happy with my vehicle. Simple, clean, and efficient. Plus the cost of ownership is far lower than most cars. Best vehicle I’ve ever owned.
How are you managing this? How much traffic do you sit in? My dad's civic does that reversing out of the drive and will get about 80mpg on a 60 mile roundtrip, or going 2 miles into the town centre get about 70mpg.
@@JimboXX78
That’s not possible. Not to put it too delicately but you’re full of sh$t. Perhaps you’re looking at kilometers vs. miles. And even then your claims are a stretch.
I could care less about my footprint with my prius. I’m saving so much in gas even now and very low maintenance cost without worrying about charging constantly
I own a Rav4 prime and it is a great vehicle. It's fast, powerful, has awd and is fuel efficient. Charges overnight with a regular wall outlet. I use ev mode all week commuting to work and the gas engine never turns on. If I need to take a long trip it has about 600 miles range. The only downside side is the price. Even with the $7500 federal tax credit it will be hard to break even over a regular Rav4. One of the best parts of owning one is that I never worry if I have enough gas to get to work in the morning.
I have a used 2019 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV. I rarely use the gas engine unless I’m driving long distances or can’t find any nearby chargers. Since I got the car in February I’ve filled it with gas only two times. Plus I just bought a solar panel that’ll charge a battery to power my home charger.
I drive a 2017 Jeep GC Hemi and drive only 10-20 miles a typical day, with maybe a longer trip of 50-60 miles once a week. I get 12-14 mpg. New Jeep GC 4XE and I can drive all electric 6/7 days. But still can tow a boat to the lake 150 miles away. I think this would work for me. If I buy now I get the tax rebate. Though prices are high with inflation I doubt they will ever be less. So PHEV makes perfect sense for me. The confusion about mpg and mpge assumes you charge every night and only drive so many miles every day. Everyone’s case is different. If I drove 60 miles a day or more it may not make sense.
Thank You Scotty...i appreciate your videos ...💙 not many can afford the electric...
I had a 2021 X3 Plugin we were able to get 3000 in electric miles in total 7000 miles drove for 2021. There were 2 issues with the plug-in. 1. Power system complexity. System had to switch from ev and gas very frequently. This cause multiple outages on the bmw. Had to take to dealer 2 times for software upgrade to “fix” it.
2. Bad gas mileage. Normal x3 4 turbo gets 3-5 miles better mileage than the plug-in when driving in gas mode.
you buy a $100k+ X5 PHEV, I doubt you care about gas prices or charging the thing. Looks good on you drive way though.
I still think there should be both, much like my 2016 Volt. The Volt doesnt' do hybrid really. It's an EV with a gas powered range extender. I wish more companies did this and Chevy didn't drop it. Because an EV becomes ultimately useless if you want to road trip or tow something. Sure DC fast charge is fast, but not 3min at the pump fast. EV's can be highly useful in the city for short trips, and "cheaper" (if it's paid off). But long distance gas will always be preferred. Hell at this point I think we should go back to diesel given how clean it's gotten in newer vehicles.
Im still driving my 1974 vw beetle 😂 and loving it
Driving a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV in Sweden, being a pensionist, I find it really economical, if you drive it with your brain, drive it sensibly. I plug it in regularly, hardly use any gas at all, except on long journeys. The secret of low consumption even then is to use the B0 for freewheeling, just cruising whenever it´s possible. It´s not a sports car. The sport is to use as little gas as possible whenever you´re out there. I´m happy so far.
I drive a 2018 Chevy Volt that we bought new. Lifetime we’ve used 2.8L/100KM. That’s 36mpg. The electric range is enough for most drives.
The thing about PHEVs and even regular hybrids is that they're really only fuel efficient for city driving. If you live in a city and aren't driving on the highway or wide open rural roads and stick mostly to stop-and-start traffic, a PHEV can stay on battery for all or most of your trip. Move to the suburbs or a rural area, and the PHEV is just a regular hybrid, switching to the gas engine much more often. I drive a non-plug-in Kia Niro in the city, and I've gotten trip MPGs as high as 72 mpg (in spring, when the car is most efficient) and am on the battery for around 80% of the time. I drive less than 20 miles a day, so if I did have a PHEV, I could see it working for me. I seriously thought about getting a PHEV or true EV last year when I bought my Niro, but couldn't find a PHEV anywhere, and my EV research found that public charging options aren't quite there yet in my area (mostly slow-charging options).
Good evening Scotty!! Love the channel!
evening and thank you!
I dont want to wait 2 hours to charge. Also its worst for the envoirment so no. I also sleep in my car and you wont be able to leave the car running idle.
I charge my EV in 12 seconds. Six seconds to plug it in when I go to bed, and a further six seconds to unplug it when I get up in the morning. I do this every 8 to 9 days. I have almost 300 miles on a full charge. I've never needed my car while I've slept, so it's a good time to charge.
Honestly I wanted a Diesel-Gate VW vehicle. Roll Coal!
I have been driving a Prius Prime/PHEV for 3 year with a daily commute about 75km, I charge it every night so I get about 40km I pure EV. It is a fantastic concept however if you by PHEV and not charge it then it is a waste. Over all my PHEV gas consumption at pump after 80kkm is 3.1 l/100km I Think it is pretty good!
I have a Ford Escape plug in and we fill the tank every 3 month.
Since both the wife and I are retired and handicapped. I doubt I can afford to save the money they say I will switching to an EV. And our power bill is high enough now without the load imposed by a charging system. We also live in the mountains of Western North Carolina so I seriously doubt we can get the miles per charge they claim. Our garage is the only flat portion of any trip we may take.
I take a lot of road trips from Fresno to LA to San Francisco to Yosemite to Monterey, Santa Maria etc..usually in the same day for about 12 hours of driving .. and I rent hybrids and regular cars and notice no difference in fuel economy
you must be renting the wrong hybrids?
Hybrids get better MPG city driving
Hybrids and PHEVs are city cars. Their main advantage is being able to store energy while slowing in order to use that while accelerating. They don't have much advantage at constant speeds.
Point taken
@@Snerdles what are your talking about? I have a Hyundai Ioniq hybrid. Look it up. I get 60-65 miles per gallon on the interstate. Show me ANY car that runs on gas alone that even comes close to that!
I just switched out of my Kia Sportage to a Kia optima plug-in hybrid and I absolutely love the fact that I can drive on the EV alone. And I know my routes and stations by now, and even my stores that I visit, on my job route (market manager) have charge up stations available with two to three hours for free which easily keeps you running on the EV without having to dip into the gas. I fully acknowledge that I lost space that I loved in the Sportage but at the same time I'm saving massively on my monthly payment and gas.
I have a plug-in hybrid. Haven’t used gas in over two months. Just keep it charged I don’t go long distances and I’m golden.
Might want to park it FAR from your house, or other peoples’ property.
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your battery wont last long.
I'm happy with our Prius Prime. Similar to Homer. Rarely use gas most days. YMMV (literally) 😃
Just wear the batteries out faster.
I've put 2636 miles on my '21 Honda Clarity since purchasing it new last August, and have only put about 10 gallons of gas in it since it was topped off by the dealer upon purchase. Even if the ICE is more polluting than a typical gas engine vehicle's (and I don't know how a 103hp Atkinson cycle would be), I can hardly see how it's a less green vehicle overall given that I'm getting more than 200mpg. Scotty, you made a video on my Clarity last fall in RI, hope to see that uploaded soon!
For a customer to purchase any SUV regardless of being hybrid or even BEV then run around saying they care about the environment are also known as hypocritics
Well, unfortunately a pure EV will not work currently as the charging network isnt built in some parts of our country so for me a PHEV would be great as I have fairly short daily commute. But for longer trips and towing BEV dont cut it yet. Btw. The US gas prices are sooo cheap compared to europe. Both petrol and electricity prices will be doubled within the comming decade…
In Canada, for BEV and PHEV, you have to get an SUV if you want some towing capacity. Otherwise you're throwing away your car's warranty. It is stupid, but I'm not waiting for the government to wake up.
I'm a Prius Prime owner. Retired so 90+% of my travels are local, within a radius of 12 miles. I fill it with gas 2 or 3 times a year, the rest of the time I'm running on EV power. Least expensive car to operate I've ever owned.
I can't help but notice that as oil crisis spikes and things happen around the world, we're suddenly being told that EVs are the way to go and gasoline is killing us faster. It maybe just me, but I'm noticing a trend with this, which is why I am still staying away from EV for now.
That's what Scotty says, wait to see where it's going.
I have a 2017 Prius Prime PHEV in New Hampshire. I just charged it tonight for $0.60, and go as far on that, as 1/2 gallon of gas. I like paying $1.20/gallon for gas! Most people have higher electric rates than here, but still, you can pay a lot more than my $1.20/gallon for the EV part of the range, and still have nothing to complain about.
At my business, I don't have a place to charge, so just get to use the original charge at home for the whole round trip. Doing that, I got home last night, with the following stats: 101.5 mile round trip commute, averaging 90.9mpg. So I used 1.117 gallons of gas and 6.6kWh of electricity.
Had I needed to buy gas, the cheapest on my route was $3.859/gallon at Pengin Fuel in Milford, NH. So to go 101.5 miles, I used $4.31 of gas and $0.60 of electricity.
I figure that is 30 miles on electric (vs EPA EV range 25) and 64.0mpg overall on gas (vs EPA 54mpg combined). Even if the odometer or trip computer is optimistic, those numbers are real in my case, because I'm running oversized tires (205/70R15 at 50psi vs 196/65R15 at 36/35psi stock).
On trips around town, I can get a lot done in 30 miles of driving without the engine kicking on at all.
This is so cool love your videos
I recon PHEV's have 2 other big problems over BEV's !
[1] Due to their high complexity they must be much harder and dearer to repair !
[2] And their batteries will get far more stressed on a 50km drive each day compared to BEV's. An EV kept on the charger each night will typically operate in the 80 to 100% charge zone, while the PHEV cycles in the zero to 100% charge zone !
I have a Rav4 Prime. Driving around the city the ICE engine seldom turns on and I can get 80 km per full charge. On a long trip, primarily on the ICE, I get 6.7 l/100km @ 110km/hr and 5.9l/100km at 80km/hr. In Canada the car is rated for 62 km of EV range and 6.9l/100km on the highway for theICE engine. If you do a lot of short trips (I.e. daily commute of about 60km round trip) and a few long road trips, this car does everything (or more) it says it will. EV performance is degraded in the winter (3-4months where I live), but then it runs largely as an ICE and is comparable to the standard Rav4 hybrid. I know someone with a heated garage and her car runs like it was summer when for the first few hours.
Totally agree with you, I’m so happy with my rav4 prime, it definitely goes above the specifications, in (US) the advertised range is 42 miles, I get over 50 driving conservatively… highly recommended
If you don’t charge the phev, you’re driving a heavier version of the hybrid only car, which will be less efficient than the pure hybrid. My Prius Prime plug in has delivered 80 mpg over 70,000 miles. Most of the driving was at about 30 miles per day, with 20 miles purely on the battery.
Yeah, the RAV4 hybrid, it got a wire that corrodes in a couple of years, Wire part number is 821h10r011 4800$ CAN + Job time $, and it's a major problem, and Toyota doesn't want to pay for it, your Toyota's are not more reliable than the others.
On salt roads
My retired Father bought a PHEV, and hardly ever puts Petrol in it, except when he takes a trip out bush. There's no subsidy for the vehicle here in Australia where I live. But Dad can bore you to tears with how he charges his car when his Solar Panels are working at Peak Efficiency. The problem is with the drivers, and not the vehicles. And unless we want a nearly uninhabitable Planet we all have to do something. Charging your car at home is not a big sacrifice.
I will not buy no electric & hybrid vehicles
I love to buy cars take gas and oil only
Wouldn't it be great to have your own gas station?
@@davidkucher5.0Coy yes indeed
Fortunately, Carbon Dioxide is a trace gas that is highly beneficial for plant growth.
Good evening señor scotty!!
evening!
Screw those tree huggers. My wife has a RAV4 Prime. She's retired and rarely drives more than10-15 miles a day. She gets 40+ miles on EV only. It works out great for her. Now if you commute and can't plug in at work then you would save much less. It wouldn't work for me because I like to lead foot it around in sport mode all wheel drive... it's FAST.
This is NOT a diesel-gate situation. Unlike diesel-gate, there has been no falsification of test results, nor has there been any attempt to program the cars to behave differently while being tested. An owner who uses the car intelligently can duplicate the official PHEV performance at any time. The problem is that it's possible for the owner/operator to misuse the PHEV in a way that makes it much less green. Under those conditions, I agree that PHEV incentives don't make a lot of sense. That's a regulatory failure, not a "scam" from manufacturers.
How does a car mechanic make such amazing videos? Do you have a team?
I have two Pacifica hybrids and have racked up 330,000km total. I don't give a damn about the mythical co2 but am thrilled with the gas saving and smoothness of the van. Haven't spent a dime on any repairs.
Have you got a horshoe somewhere nobody knows about?
T&E hates internal combustion engines, even the ones running on renewable fuels and/or synthetic e-fuels. That's why... One wonders which companies T&E serves for...
I would also take T&E's findings with a grain of salt...
I'd rather have a hydroelectric car
Hybrid and Fully Electric Vehicles are not worth it and the range of garbage not even worth it. In Australia we have FE and PIEV however we don’t have they infrastructure along the way aka “Chargers” to be able to do long trips etc. I just bought the new 2022 Subaru Outback and rather a fuel driven vehicle over an electric any day
Now there's a smart fella.
400,000 Toyota hybrid SUV"s recalled recently... thoughts?
Toyota is slowly becoming less and less reliable it seems
@@___AWFUL___ There are not being built in Japan but in other places. Make sure you get a Toyota built in Japan for better reliability.
Which models?
@@ImcaamYT Just check the side door it will tell you were it was built at.The 2018 Rav4 were built in Japan the new ones are not along with the Highlander.
@@theobserver7764 I mean, which models are being recalled
I bought a Subaru Crosstrek PHEV in april 22, and it's been great. I use about 1 gallon of gas a week for my 25 mile/day commute.
All of this emissions crap is the work of biased groups like the T&E and the EV bigots who look own their noses at everyone else. Cars need to be evaluated on their capabilities not on how someone perceives they are used. I have a Toyota RAV4 Prime and the last time I got gas was 1/14. I have used 5 gallons, almost all to help heat the car when the temperature was so low the heat pump wasn't effective. At least I had heat when some EVs probably didn't. In the mean time I'll scold my Prime for emitting tons of CO2 on less than a 2 gal/mo average. I bet it will use almost zero this summer.
Does the engine run when you start it in the cold? Just curious how the plug in hybrids handle it. I have a Prius C hybrid only.
@@Toyeboy89 No the Prime vehicle always starts in EV. If you turn on thre Defroster the engine will come on because heat source generation above the electric heat pump is requested. nobody intentionally runs the engine to charge the battery. MPG drops too much. It is an intentional selection and the vehicle does not do it in any automatic way. Most around home driving is easily done within the scope of the EV battery and at home charging from 120VAC 15A circuit or Level 1 charging. So no special charging station is required. LOnger trips or driving above 40MPH it is logical to use gas. Prime Premium can charge in 2.5Hours from a level 2 or 240VAC 40A charging station but overnight at Level 1 or a standard home circuit is easy.
@@jerrylitzza8842 thankyou for the info! I think the battery in my Prius C is 6.8Kwh
@@JT_771 The only PHEV in Canada that's never plugged in is owned by a family of Sasquatch that live off grid.
@@Toyeboy89 The engine on our Prius Prime runs intermittently if it's below about -12 C.
I have a Mitsubishi Outlander phew 2016 and use this for the commute to work. I have a competition with myself daily to keep the lpm to 0, which I manage easily. I do this by driving very lightly and planning ahead in traffic. Instead of turning the heater on I survive using the seat and steering wheel heaters. I also always charge. So basically i drive an EV 99% of the year. The few times I am doing a long drive i manage to use 7.2 liters per 100km
I appreciate car companies similar to Volkswagen a few years back trying to give their customers an actual good experience other than actually following these arbitrary government mandates for cars
My Volvo V60 T8 does 6,5L/100km on highway and it does drive electric mode almost exclusively in the city. During the summer. In the winter it’s just perpetually waming the cat, turning the engine off and warming the cat again… so yeah, it’s emission free in the city during the summer…
Don't we need to include the co2 that was used in the generation of the electricity that is used to charge the car?
co2 is Great for the Tree's and Forest's....So Breathe a Lot and Drive Your Car a Lot...!!!
Yep. The claim will be that commuting is where the car shines. But, in winter the gas engine has to turn on to heat the interior for passenger comfort; summer: you guessed it - the a/c has to come on in many cases for passenger comfort. So...
Complexity is the enemy of reliability. A PHEV powertrain is about as complicated of a power system as one could possibly conceive of. Combine an Internal combustion engine that will have thousands and thousands of cold starts and short runs with a smallish lithium battery that will lose half its capacity in a couple years along with some sophisticated power combining scheme and a lot of computer controls. What could possibly go wrong 🤦🏻
I guess that sums it up.
I have a Chevy Volt. Drive it same as my previous gas only cars. All I can say is I fill 9 gal tank every 2 months. My 4runner filled 18 gal tank every week