Thank you very much. Have been having problems recently hitting driver and went to the range to experiment. Did one great drive which felt totally effortless and I put this down to having my right elbow tucked and pushing up hard at impact off my left leg and also straightening up. I have also been for some time worried about face closure and have been thinking about rolling my forearms. Will now add another word to my vocabulary and forget about the forearms.
Oops left elbow tucked (not right elbow!) and quite close to torso so as to create the Ryke angle then presumably the conical pendulum effect just kicks in automatically as everything unwinds.
Wow. Jim Hardy talks about Lop vs Rit types of release, one where the club lines up with a straight left arm at impact, the other where it lines up with a bent right forearm. If you look at players like JT, the club and left arm are almost in line at impact and the ryke angle is about 5 degrees. How do you account for players like dechambeau and moe Norman in this model?
Hi Kevin, thanks for your inspiring research on the pendulum. Since I have understood your idea of the wrist hinge and the conical pendulum, my swing is improving. I always was a fan of the Mike Austin swing, but did not quite understand his thoughts of the throwing action and his wrist action. Your explanation of the combination action of the wrist (hinge and forearmrotation) lets me feel the swing much better and makes the swing a natural motion, which is driven by the imagination of the RYKE Pendulum. Thank you very much. Michael Gutsche - PhD - Berlin - Germany
I think Dr Sasho MacKenzie's passive club squaring torque mechanism makes a lot of sense and he did do some research showing that active forearm torque rotation can actually increase clubhead speed by a substantial amount. In TGM terms that would be similar to a release of PA#3 (although TGM is a qualitative almost pragmatic explanation of the golf swing). It almost seems like the lead arm and hand have to move in and up (while the lead forearm is supinating to square the clubface) to enable the clubhead to swing on the 'functional swing plane' from P6-P7. The lead forearm supination could still be caused by Sasho's passive club squaring torque.
Hi Kevin. I just watched Brendon DeVores golf video about your rykeeffect. I’m just desperately trying to achieve compression and getting my hands further forward at impact. I’m tired of scoopy releases and high ball flights. What is , in your opinion the first step in order to achieve that? Unfortunately I’m not smart enough to understand all this lol I need it explained like I’m 5 years old. And the only thing I do know is this- Starting the downswing from 1st shaft parallel and swinging through all the way to the finish, gets me into the desired impact position and compression is introduced. And also, taking an alignment stick and hitting a golf ball, also gets me into the position at impact - greatly achieving the position. Put a club in my hand and all of that goes out the window. And mentally, I’m not changing anything. Just swinging.
It sounds like flying wedges should be renamed Ryke wedges? And maybe Mike Austin wasn’t a raving madman after all. If you watch Steve Pratt’s video of slow motion Mike Dunaway swings, “The Greatest Driver Ever”, I think you’ll see beautiful examples of the Ryke principle. It’s still hard for me to believe he’s hitting it 350 yards.
The one thing Kevin fails to answer here is "what direction do you swing the club?" It's the most fundamental question in golf and no one ever thinks to ask it. Everyone assumes you swing toward the target as you do in almost every other sport and everyone is absolutely wrong. I've created a swing method that allows anyone to use the Ryke effect naturally, as it should occur. I've advocated for no manual closure of the clubface because of the Ryke effect but until watching this video I had no name for it. Also, any manual manipulation of the clubface will interrupt and change the natural timing of the Ryke effect. I also created videos where I demonstrate the golf swing is a conical motion and not singular plane - double pendulum. Excellent video here.
0 degree flexion is a huge constraint on additional power , bowed to cupped wrist adds probably another 20 degrees of clubhead travel within the same timescale . The angle change between a pro from address to impact and an amateur are just experience differences and cannot be added or subtracted . The effect your seeking is a feelable effect in your wrists , a waggle is and has for centurys been the place to find this ( turn/ flip) point . It really is all in the wrists and there are near endless variables . There is however no one holy grail shot or method , just tail chasing .
Kevin - there is a lot of talk about the whole club shaft being swung on a near perfect functional swing plane from P6- P7.5 approx. Dr Kwon has mentioned this on his you-tube channel videos. But if there is an angle between the lead arm and club shaft from P6-P7 , isn't it impossible for a the whole shaft (including the hands/grip) to traverse on a single functional plane? Surely the lead hand would have to move inside as the lead forearm/arm rotates to square the clubface (while the clubface sweet spot remains on this functional plane)?
Jack, You are correct on multiple issues: (a) In the functional swing plane, the whole shaft (including the Hands) will traverse a plane. (b) the lead arm must move inside (and therefore off the functional swing plane) as the forearm rotates to square the clubface. To understand this take a club in your lead arm and bend down against a table top with your lead underarm on the tabletop. Do this slowly, I don't want accidents. Now try to execute a double pendulum. You can't because your lead wrist locks. You could rotate your forearm but then the clubshaft would leave the function swing plane. Now to understand the RYKE effect, as the clubshaft reaches club horizontal, lift your shoulder off the table top. Now you can rotate your forearm and the ryke angle will form and the shaft will stay on the functional swing plane. This is equivalent to moving the lead arm inside. In a full swing this inside move starts at about club vertical. Kevin Ryan
Many thanks Kevin . Coincidentally, I used that same experiment on the table top to convince myself that Dr Kwon's assertion cannot be altogether correct (ie. it must be an approximation rather than some well-defined and precise functional swing plane).
Michael I did not want to publish the book until I understood how pros are able to generate Club Head speed. I think I recently found the last piece of the puzzle. I am changing my own swing to see if I can gain significant distance to prove the concept. At age 77 I think I should be able to gain 40-50 yards. If I can gain that yardage I will finish the book. Kevin Ryan
P SMITH we don’t ‘spin around’ in circles to get anything truly Euler. The COM is also moving about the system as we swing. It’s doesn’t stay still, which is why all of the golf ‘scientists’ have flawed studies. Are you asking why a club closes?
John I still believe that the book will be published. However it will not be until I can prove to myself that not only are the science and engineering correct but that I can also teach myself to hit the ball accurately and with a considerable distance increase. Like you I am sick of the misinformation and have been tempted to publish what I now know. However I have found that after the RYKEeffect, there are number of other mechanisms that need to be understood before a whole package can be executed. I hope I am on the last of the mechanisms (distance). Kevin Ryan
@@kevinryan9098 What if I could prove to you that the lead conical shoulder socket is not the first pendulum of the golf swing as reasonably one sees it bends at the elbow after the swinging of the golf club is all said and done. So therefore the lead arm cannot possibly act as the first pendulum of a golfer’s swing. Why because in my theory It must always stay reactive; not active through out the golfers swing Instead let’s look closely at the trail upper arm that stops at the elbow. Specifically the golfers trail humerus bone should be allowed by the golfer to swing back and then forth as the first pendulum mechanism that transfers energy to the second pendulum the trail forearm at the junction of trail elbow that then transfer the energy to the golfers hands and wrist holding the golf club which is the 3rd mechanism of the third pendulum which is the golf club itself as it comes in direct contact to the ball. Another words all a golfer really need to think about is swinging their humerus bone like a pendulum moving back and then forward and trust that their entire body will automatically respond to the pendulum movements of their trail humerus bone. I believe the RYKE EFFECT you are researching is actually actually visual proof of what I am alleging in the golf swing to be true Lastly the golf swing is not a horizontal; vertical or lateral swing. It is a complex diagonal swing with our trail side active and our lead side reactive. I say this because the golfer can only take 1/2 of a step to complete their swing. Yes the body turns just enough automatically however if a golfer focuses on rotating their body too much or swing their club past their parallel shoulders plane to the ground it upsets the pendulum motion and simply will not work. So in my strong personal opinion the only pendulum anyone can consciously use in their golf swing is the pendulum of their trail humerus bone. The lead side humerus bone pendulum is reactive to the trail side. And therefore is a secondary pendulum Tick/Tock/ Done. The trail upper humerus bone is the first communicator to the third pendulum; the golf club itself and in fact our entire body My Theory is based on something called: the parametric acceleration of a pendulum curve. These pendulum curves are produced throughout all the joints inside our body. So you see there a a few more additional pendulum throughout our joints that as the golfer swings their clubs they should not try to control any of them. This being said to effectively and with effortless power we can only swing our club under the direction of the main pendulum of our body; our trail humerus bone. The math required to understand what I just said is 100 percent true but would require a rocket science engineer to explain it. A physiologist to understand that our bones can only push at the exact same time our muscles are pulling. A neuroscientist to fully understand why our brain can only detect what one side of our body is doing over the other side and also can only detect either a pull or a push; but never both together. Not to mention also all the intricacies of Sir Issac Newton 3 law of motion to support what I am saying is true. Ground Reaction Force also occurs automatically in a great golf swing and golfer need not give it a second look. Although I suppose some scientists are exploring it to death And so in my old age i just discovered for myself the most amazing, body friendly, repeatable and accurate swing I have ever experienced in over 45 years of playing golf. I am beyond excited. And having just found your sight I wish to freely share my thoughts with you personally in the hopes you check it out for yourself. As you said positive result in your own personal swing is what matters to support anyone thesis on the golf swing Cheers ⛳️❤️🥂👍😃
@@thomasfraser9072 Thomas, Thank you for your thoughts. As you say there are other mechanisms at play during the swing. I am particularly interested in the mechanism that generates Club head speed. The human body is capable of generating many different mechanisms other than the double pendulum. I am making progress on understanding the mechanisms. Kevin Ryan
@@kevinryan9098 well for the heck of it just use your trail humerus bone as the primary pendulum of your swing. And let me know if it works out for you or not. That’s all. Cheers
Thank you very much. Have been having problems recently hitting driver and went to the range to experiment. Did one great drive which felt totally effortless and I put this down to having my right elbow tucked and pushing up hard at impact off my left leg and also straightening up. I have also been for some time worried about face closure and have been thinking about rolling my forearms. Will now add another word to my vocabulary and forget about the forearms.
Oops left elbow tucked (not right elbow!) and quite close to torso so as to create the Ryke angle then presumably the conical pendulum effect just kicks in automatically as everything unwinds.
Wow. Jim Hardy talks about Lop vs Rit types of release, one where the club lines up with a straight left arm at impact, the other where it lines up with a bent right forearm. If you look at players like JT, the club and left arm are almost in line at impact and the ryke angle is about 5 degrees. How do you account for players like dechambeau and moe Norman in this model?
I'll buy your book as soon as it comes out. This make so much sense.
Hi Kevin, thanks for your inspiring research on the pendulum. Since I have understood your idea of the wrist hinge and the conical pendulum, my swing is improving. I always was a fan of the Mike Austin swing, but did not quite understand his thoughts of the throwing action and his wrist action. Your explanation of the combination action of the wrist (hinge and forearmrotation) lets me feel the swing much better and makes the swing a natural motion, which is driven by the imagination of the RYKE Pendulum. Thank you very much. Michael Gutsche - PhD - Berlin - Germany
When you say an inward force is required, do you mean a force pulling the arms in towards the body?
When is the book coming out?
I think Dr Sasho MacKenzie's passive club squaring torque mechanism makes a lot of sense and he did do some research showing that active forearm torque rotation can actually increase clubhead speed by a substantial amount. In TGM terms that would be similar to a release of PA#3 (although TGM is a qualitative almost pragmatic explanation of the golf swing).
It almost seems like the lead arm and hand have to move in and up (while the lead forearm is supinating to square the clubface) to enable the clubhead to swing on the 'functional swing plane' from P6-P7. The lead forearm supination could still be caused by Sasho's passive club squaring torque.
Hi Kevin.
Any update on the book?
Hi Kevin. I just watched Brendon DeVores golf video about your rykeeffect. I’m just desperately trying to achieve compression and getting my hands further forward at impact. I’m tired of scoopy releases and high ball flights. What is , in your opinion the first step in order to achieve that? Unfortunately I’m not smart enough to understand all this lol I need it explained like I’m 5 years old. And the only thing I do know is this-
Starting the downswing from 1st shaft parallel and swinging through all the way to the finish, gets me into the desired impact position and compression is introduced. And also, taking an alignment stick and hitting a golf ball, also gets me into the position at impact - greatly achieving the position. Put a club in my hand and all of that goes out the window. And mentally, I’m not changing anything. Just swinging.
It sounds like flying wedges should be renamed Ryke wedges? And maybe Mike Austin wasn’t a raving madman after all. If you watch Steve Pratt’s video of slow motion Mike Dunaway swings, “The Greatest Driver Ever”, I think you’ll see beautiful examples of the Ryke principle. It’s still hard for me to believe he’s hitting it 350 yards.
Very interesting - where can I get your book?
Did you ever publish the book? Is there more information on this available somewhere ? Thanks
The one thing Kevin fails to answer here is "what direction do you swing the club?" It's the most fundamental question in golf and no one ever thinks to ask it. Everyone assumes you swing toward the target as you do in almost every other sport and everyone is absolutely wrong.
I've created a swing method that allows anyone to use the Ryke effect naturally, as it should occur. I've advocated for no manual closure of the clubface because of the Ryke effect but until watching this video I had no name for it. Also, any manual manipulation of the clubface will interrupt and change the natural timing of the Ryke effect. I also created videos where I demonstrate the golf swing is a conical motion and not singular plane - double pendulum.
Excellent video here.
0 degree flexion is a huge constraint on additional power , bowed to cupped wrist adds probably another 20 degrees of clubhead travel within the same timescale .
The angle change between a pro from address to impact and an amateur are just experience differences and cannot be added or subtracted .
The effect your seeking is a feelable effect in your wrists , a waggle is and has for centurys been the place to find this ( turn/ flip) point .
It really is all in the wrists and there are near endless variables .
There is however no one holy grail shot or method , just tail chasing .
Kevin - there is a lot of talk about the whole club shaft being swung on a near perfect functional swing plane from P6- P7.5 approx. Dr Kwon has mentioned this on his you-tube channel videos. But if there is an angle between the lead arm and club shaft from P6-P7 , isn't it impossible for a the whole shaft (including the hands/grip) to traverse on a single functional plane? Surely the lead hand would have to move inside as the lead forearm/arm rotates to square the clubface (while the clubface sweet spot remains on this functional plane)?
Jack,
You are correct on multiple issues:
(a) In the functional swing plane, the whole shaft (including the Hands) will traverse a plane.
(b) the lead arm must move inside (and therefore off the functional swing plane) as the forearm rotates to square the clubface.
To understand this take a club in your lead arm and bend down against a table top with your lead underarm on the tabletop. Do this slowly, I don't want accidents. Now try to execute a double pendulum. You can't because your lead wrist locks. You could rotate your forearm but then the clubshaft would leave the function swing plane. Now to understand the RYKE effect, as the clubshaft reaches club horizontal, lift your shoulder off the table top. Now you can rotate your forearm and the ryke angle will form and the shaft will stay on the functional swing plane. This is equivalent to moving the lead arm inside. In a full swing this inside move starts at about club vertical.
Kevin Ryan
Many thanks Kevin . Coincidentally, I used that same experiment on the table top to convince myself that Dr Kwon's assertion cannot be altogether correct (ie. it must be an approximation rather than some well-defined and precise functional swing plane).
Thank you Kevin.
What about Dechambeau !!
Kevin is your book available!
Michael
I did not want to publish the book until I understood how pros are able to generate Club Head speed. I think I recently found the last piece of the puzzle. I am changing my own swing to see if I can gain significant distance to prove the concept. At age 77 I think I should be able to gain 40-50 yards. If I can gain that yardage I will finish the book.
Kevin Ryan
@@kevinryan9098 Thank you Kevin. I teach distance to golfers of all ages and I have enjoyed your work! I look forward to the book.
@P SMITH
Not there yet, but working on it.
Kevin
@P SMITH
Still not there yet but finding some interesting dynamic effects. Distance is still the target.
Kevin ryan
Thank you
Structural reroute. That’s all there is to it.
P SMITH we don’t ‘spin around’ in circles to get anything truly Euler. The COM is also moving about the system as we swing. It’s doesn’t stay still, which is why all of the golf ‘scientists’ have flawed studies. Are you asking why a club closes?
Is the book ever going to be published? It does not have to be perfect. It just has to be better than all the misinformation out there now!
John
I still believe that the book will be published. However it will not be until I can prove to myself that not only are the science and engineering correct but that I can also teach myself to hit the ball accurately and with a considerable distance increase. Like you I am sick of the misinformation and have been tempted to publish what I now know. However I have found that after the RYKEeffect, there are number of other mechanisms that need to be understood before a whole package can be executed. I hope I am on the last of the mechanisms (distance).
Kevin Ryan
@@kevinryan9098 What if I could prove to you that the lead conical shoulder socket is not the first pendulum of the golf swing as reasonably one sees it bends at the elbow after the swinging of the golf club is all said and done. So therefore the lead arm cannot possibly act as the first pendulum of a golfer’s swing. Why because in my theory It must always stay reactive; not active through out the golfers swing
Instead let’s look closely at the trail upper arm that stops at the elbow.
Specifically the golfers trail humerus bone should be allowed by the golfer to swing back and then forth as the first pendulum mechanism that transfers energy to the second pendulum the trail forearm at the junction of trail elbow that then transfer the energy to the golfers hands and wrist holding the golf club which is the 3rd mechanism of the third pendulum which is the golf club itself as it comes in direct contact to the ball.
Another words all a golfer really need to think about is swinging their humerus bone like a pendulum moving back and then forward and trust that their entire body will automatically respond to the pendulum movements of their trail humerus bone.
I believe the RYKE EFFECT you are researching is actually actually visual proof of what I am alleging in the golf swing to be true
Lastly the golf swing is not a horizontal; vertical or lateral swing. It is a complex diagonal swing with our trail side active and our lead side reactive. I say this because the golfer can only take 1/2 of a step to complete their swing.
Yes the body turns just enough automatically however if a golfer focuses on rotating their body too much or swing their club past their parallel shoulders plane to the ground it upsets the pendulum motion and simply will not work.
So in my strong personal opinion the only pendulum anyone can consciously use in their golf swing is the pendulum of their trail humerus bone. The lead side humerus bone pendulum is reactive to the trail side. And therefore is a secondary pendulum
Tick/Tock/ Done.
The trail upper humerus bone is the first communicator to the third pendulum; the golf club itself and in fact our entire body
My Theory is based on something called: the parametric acceleration of a pendulum curve. These pendulum curves are produced throughout all the joints inside our body. So you see there a a few more additional pendulum throughout our joints that as the golfer swings their clubs they should not try to control any of them. This being said to effectively and with effortless power we can only swing our club under the direction of the main pendulum of our body; our trail humerus bone.
The math required to understand what I just said is 100 percent true but would require a rocket science engineer to explain it. A physiologist to understand that our bones can only push at the exact same time our muscles are pulling. A neuroscientist to fully understand why our brain can only detect what one side of our body is doing over the other side and also can only detect either a pull or a push; but never both together. Not to mention also all the intricacies of Sir Issac Newton 3 law of motion to support what I am saying is true. Ground Reaction Force also occurs automatically in a great golf swing and golfer need not give it a second look. Although I suppose some scientists are exploring it to death
And so in my old age i just discovered for myself the most amazing, body friendly, repeatable and accurate swing I have ever experienced in over 45 years of playing golf. I am beyond excited. And having just found your sight I wish to freely share my thoughts with you personally in the hopes you check it out for yourself. As you said positive result in your own personal swing is what matters to support anyone thesis on the golf swing
Cheers ⛳️❤️🥂👍😃
@@thomasfraser9072 Thomas,
Thank you for your thoughts. As you say there are other mechanisms at play during the swing. I am particularly interested in the mechanism that generates Club head speed. The human body is capable of generating many different mechanisms other than the double pendulum. I am making progress on understanding the mechanisms.
Kevin Ryan
@@kevinryan9098 well for the heck of it just use your trail humerus bone as the primary pendulum of your swing. And let me know if it works out for you or not. That’s all. Cheers