JT @ 7:48 "and this I find really fascinating". Me too Jonathan. Me too. The more we learn, the more we understand how little we knew 🙄. Thanks for some more learning 😊
This is excellent information. I tried not rotating my forearms for years and it was a nightmare. To achieve the kind of "body swing" where all parts are connected and the clubface squares itself, the club would have to be weightless.
Excellent work, Jonathan. In addition, the reason that the club appears to stop closing at impact is the collision with the ball. Film John Rahm (or yourself, or use Hack Motion) at the same position in a practice swing and the face would be more closed. Striking the ball straightens the face until natural rotation takes over again. Of course, the collision also slows the club head down by more than a third of its speed. I have even seen some TH-cam pros demonstrate how they "hold the club face square" after impact in slow motion. What they actually do is hit their iron slightly off the toe so the face actually opens after impact! I firmly believe that manually squaring the face at impact is a myth. It happens naturally. All good players are toe up (more or less) at P6, toe up (more or less) at P8. Half way at P7 the face has to be square. Repeat 10,000 times. Job done!
Thanks very much for making this video. I have owned the Hackmotion for a short time and have been trying to better analyze the data. The flexion/extension data is pretty straightforward since recommended ranges are identified. I am having a little harder time with the ulnar/radial and rotation parameters. I realize that each data set has a direct influence on the other so it’s important to understand the total picture. On a very basic level, I have noticed my rotation numbers tend to be slightly positive at impact with a slightly extended wrist (but within the recommended range based on my address position). My interpretation of the data is this combination would lead to a closed clubface and a tendency to miss left (which is my tendency). I hope you will make a few more videos like this. I think the information would benefit everyone but would be particularly useful to the Hackmotion user community.
Interesting! I would love to see rotation measured relative to the rotation of your sternum as compared to rotation in empty space. No doubt the wrists rotate, but what creates the “stable” look of the pros is that their wrists rotate far less relative to their sternum compared to amateurs. Love your channel. Thank you for the great content!
The Professionals sternum rotates more than the amateurs before they release the club which means their wrists rotate approximately same amount as their sternum rotated by the time their trail arm is straight. Their wrists are rotating at approximately four times the speed of that of their sternum.
What is missing from this discussion is there are three ways the right arm can rotated, either by torso rotation around the body, by rotator cuff muscles in the shoulder or by low arm rotation with the radius bone around the ulna. The problem is most amateurs use the rotator cuff and the chest muscles to throw the club down and rotate the club to square, when in fact the trailing shoulder should be in external rotation during the down swing until after contact. Only after contact does the trail shoulder internally rotate. The exemplar swing starting at 8:19 shows this very well. The club's rotation to square is from the lower arm motion, as you say, but it absolutely must not be from rotation from the shoulder socket. Talking about hand rotation without understanding the difference between turning the hand by either shoulder rotation or lower arm rotation is problematic.
Technology now allows us to see in slow motion and see the invisible motion of muscles and tendons. If you can accept that all humans are physically unique we must accept that the “best” way of Imparting energy into a golf ball is very variable. The vast amount of physical data is clouding the essential basic rule that the swing must be in balance and free of unproductive restraint . It will be better to learn to strike the ball without control until consistency emerges, then adjust posture for the desired line and trajectory. A highly untechnical approach that could break many coaches and gadget suppliers.
In this video I was showing what Professional golfers are doing with the hope of breaking some of the misconceptions held by Amateurs. I will be addressing what I think you should be doing in future videos.
This is great timing, until a few months ago my shots were nearly all blocks to various degrees, losing distance and making me aim more and more left of target to compensate. All because of the teaching of a 'stable release ' . Recently i have been , at impact, 'feeling' like im rolling my hands almost to the point that it feels like i'm going to hit the ball with the toe edge..... but the ball has been flying straight to a slight draw, and with added distance. This is also what i see the pros in slow motion do but still no one mentions this until you and your previous video on the subject...look forward to your future findings sir, cheers for posting
You should not be holding it at all, but rather allowing your arms and hands to make the necessary corrections to your body position at impact to square the club face.
It is very simple to use but not as simple to understand, especially in respect to how the data fits together with what your body is doing. When I look at Trackman data at the same time as Hackmotion data, there is a very close correlation between the wrist flexion and arm rotation data and the club face angle and dynamic loft data from Trackman.
Very true. As soon as I figured it out (took years) my self, the hcp dropped from 18 to 10 in one season.
JT @ 7:48 "and this I find really fascinating". Me too Jonathan. Me too. The more we learn, the more we understand how little we knew 🙄. Thanks for some more learning 😊
You are very welcome!
11:50 I am very pleased with your video message; you made an issue very clear for me about releasing or not.
Thank you
This is excellent information. I tried not rotating my forearms for years and it was a nightmare. To achieve the kind of "body swing" where all parts are connected and the clubface squares itself, the club would have to be weightless.
That’s right👍
Excellent work, Jonathan.
In addition, the reason that the club appears to stop closing at impact is the collision with the ball. Film John Rahm (or yourself, or use Hack Motion) at the same position in a practice swing and the face would be more closed. Striking the ball straightens the face until natural rotation takes over again. Of course, the collision also slows the club head down by more than a third of its speed. I have even seen some TH-cam pros demonstrate how they "hold the club face square" after impact in slow motion. What they actually do is hit their iron slightly off the toe so the face actually opens after impact!
I firmly believe that manually squaring the face at impact is a myth. It happens naturally. All good players are toe up (more or less) at P6, toe up (more or less) at P8. Half way at P7 the face has to be square. Repeat 10,000 times. Job done!
Thanks very much for making this video. I have owned the Hackmotion for a short time and have been trying to better analyze the data. The flexion/extension data is pretty straightforward since recommended ranges are identified. I am having a little harder time with the ulnar/radial and rotation parameters. I realize that each data set has a direct influence on the other so it’s important to understand the total picture. On a very basic level, I have noticed my rotation numbers tend to be slightly positive at impact with a slightly extended wrist (but within the recommended range based on my address position). My interpretation of the data is this combination would lead to a closed clubface and a tendency to miss left (which is my tendency). I hope you will make a few more videos like this. I think the information would benefit everyone but would be particularly useful to the Hackmotion user community.
Thanks for the feedback, I will definitely be doing just that in the coming weeks.
Excellent! Thank you for your service 😃
Thank you too!
Excellent sir, I am training my students to play a Frisby with lefthand ( right hand golfer).
Fantastic!
Interesting! I would love to see rotation measured relative to the rotation of your sternum as compared to rotation in empty space. No doubt the wrists rotate, but what creates the “stable” look of the pros is that their wrists rotate far less relative to their sternum compared to amateurs. Love your channel. Thank you for the great content!
The Professionals sternum rotates more than the amateurs before they release the club which means their wrists rotate approximately same amount as their sternum rotated by the time their trail arm is straight. Their wrists are rotating at approximately four times the speed of that of their sternum.
@@JonathanTaylor63 AWESOME. You rock. Thanks so much for posting.
That was very good, appreciate your videos
Glad you like them!
What is missing from this discussion is there are three ways the right arm can rotated, either by torso rotation around the body, by rotator cuff muscles in the shoulder or by low arm rotation with the radius bone around the ulna. The problem is most amateurs use the rotator cuff and the chest muscles to throw the club down and rotate the club to square, when in fact the trailing shoulder should be in external rotation during the down swing until after contact. Only after contact does the trail shoulder internally rotate. The exemplar swing starting at 8:19 shows this very well. The club's rotation to square is from the lower arm motion, as you say, but it absolutely must not be from rotation from the shoulder socket. Talking about hand rotation without understanding the difference between turning the hand by either shoulder rotation or lower arm rotation is problematic.
Technology now allows us to see in slow motion and see the invisible motion of muscles and tendons. If you can accept that all humans are physically unique we must accept that the “best” way of Imparting
energy into a golf ball is very variable. The vast amount of physical data is clouding the essential basic rule that the swing must be in balance and free of unproductive restraint . It will be better to learn to strike the ball without control until consistency emerges, then adjust posture for the desired line and trajectory. A highly untechnical approach that could break many coaches and gadget suppliers.
In this video I was showing what Professional golfers are doing with the hope of breaking some of the misconceptions held by Amateurs. I will be addressing what I think you should be doing in future videos.
This is great timing, until a few months ago my shots were nearly all blocks to various degrees, losing distance and making me aim more and more left of target to compensate. All because of the teaching of a 'stable release ' . Recently i have been , at impact, 'feeling' like im rolling my hands almost to the point that it feels like i'm going to hit the ball with the toe edge..... but the ball has been flying straight to a slight draw, and with added distance. This is also what i see the pros in slow motion do but still no one mentions this until you and your previous video on the subject...look forward to your future findings sir, cheers for posting
Thank you, I am glad it helped!
Perhaps this is why draws travel farther than cuts... the brain allowing that slight wrist rotation for the draw and slight delay to a cut
I would like to see a side by side video of graph and swing synchronized
I might try and do this in a future video, thanks for the idea.
That's where its confusing to me , it's either holding it or you are rotating your right hand,
You should not be holding it at all, but rather allowing your arms and hands to make the necessary corrections to your body position at impact to square the club face.
How easy is the hack motion to use/understand? Could it be over analyzing things making it more complicated than it has to be?
No such thing as too much good data- only bad data/misinterpreting good data
@@dr6124 I just feel like I could do drills to get in these positions
It is very simple to use but not as simple to understand, especially in respect to how the data fits together with what your body is doing. When I look at Trackman data at the same time as Hackmotion data, there is a very close correlation between the wrist flexion and arm rotation data and the club face angle and dynamic loft data from Trackman.