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- Around 100 hours on newer, performance Sea-Doos, and on a periodic basis on older models, the supercharger clutch slipping moment needs to be checked. If it's not within range, the supercharger needs to be rebuilt, or engine performance could be dramatically affected. This how-to video goes through the steps involved in checking the slipping moment of the supercharger clutch on a 2012 Sea-Doo GTR 215.
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Is there a way to check without tools? Saw a ‘finger method’ on a forum. Would you reckon that would work?
We haven't seen that method, but the slipping moment range is very specific. Can't imagine how you'd do it accurately without a torque wrench.
3ftDeep Yeahh it basicly says; can move easily, bad, probably engine damage.. Can move with lot of force, needs replacement.
@@Ajdjdncjekskf I wouldn't go by that advice.
great video , it helps a lot
Glad to help out. Ride safe.
Great Channel, first time posting... I have seen that there is a custom length L-Ring that goes onto the s/c shaft to increase slip pressure Without having to re-arrange slip washers. Are you familiar with this and do you know where we can purchase?? Thank you for everything.
... L-Ring is located between the slip washers and the nut at the end of the shaft.
No. We go by the service manual which is very explicit about the supercharger slip washers. We suggest sticking with them and not deviating. Good luck.
2012 GTR215 I sucked up a lot of mud and debris. Now it seems like all the engine power is not getting through the drive shaft to the jet. Engine revs fine but only about half thrust.
You'll need to clean out your intake grate and pump. I suggest getting it out of the water and cleaning it out thoroughly. Hopefully nothing is stuck in the pump. Good luck!
Good morning from the fan nut is it possible to see if it slips by turning with the torque wrench?
Yes, that is what we use. A dial type torque wrench is much easier and accurate to use than a standard click or digital torque wrench.
You guys have some amazing videos, thanks for sharing. Is there any chance that you could share the model number of the torque wrench that you are using please? I prefer a dial, such as in your pictures as opposed to a digital display. I see the brand is CDI Canada.
Hello Raja, Thanks for the kind words. I don’t have the torque wrench handy right now, but you can find it at our Amazon store here: 3ftdeepsports.com/store-tools-wrenches/
Hello 3ftDeep and other TH-camrs.
I'm going to look at a Seadoo rxp 215 for sale.
What are some key things to inspect and make sure are functional.
its at 120 hrs, for sure send the supercharger to be rebuilt. Do a compression test, ideally what should compression be at? (does it change from hot to cold)
Inspect the intake grate for damage, and look through it to check the impeller and wear ring for damage (use a flashlight). There shouldn't be more than a millimetre or so between the edge of the wear ring and the impeller. Check the pump for damage, and also look for rust. Make sure the engine compartment is well-maintained, and that the engine runs. Check the steering for free play. Seat repair can be expensive, so make sure there no tears that can't be easily repaired. Check the oil dipstick for any "milky" coloration or other residues. Also check the oil fill cap for same. Check motor mounts (if you can see them) for cracking or flaking. Check the computer gauge for all functions. For compression, S/C models should be around 120 to 130 psi, non S/C will be a little higher. The most important thing is that they're all about the same reading (+/- about 10%). Also, check out the PWC Show's TH-cam video on buying a used PWC ...th-cam.com/video/YDUnUVV9IbQ/w-d-xo.html. Good luck!
+3ftDeep
Awesome. Thank you so much. I've searched countless of hours online to find a check on what to check when buying a supercharged pwc. I'm just waiting for the weather to warm up a it to ask him to take me out and test it on the lake.
Pandacat 666 hehe 🤣. It went awesome. Compression test was around 135 or so for all three. After she was warmed up, opened her up to 69 mph where she maxed out. Sold her last season to hopefully to get into sportster
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If the supercharger doesn’t have enough resistance to turn the engine over without spark plugs, does it need to be rebuilt? I’m trying to get the lines at the top but it keeps slipping…
How many hours does your supercharger have on it and how long since the last rebuild? Have you checked the slip?
I installed a bigger SC wheel a 17.5 lbs one to be exact, at how many pounds should I set the torque tool to make sure it’s where’s supposed to be ? Thanks
I'm not sure. I suggest you contact the manufacturer for the exact specs. Good luck.
What if it’s out of spec? Can you change the pressure with the supercharger on the ski?
No. As long as you’re using the right oil, if it’s out of spec it would likely need rebuilding.
How much does it cost to fix the slipping. My rxt x 300 2019 sometimes runs at 8100rpm with the Riva scom then drops to 6700rmp could that be the supercharged or something else.
It sounds like your speed limiter is still kicking in. Are you sure your SCOM is connected properly and working?
@@3ftDeepChannel it runs at 8100rpm for awhile and some times when I ride on a whole day it won't do it once then it will just randomly drop to 6700 then max at 7850rpm
Even stock without the scom it wouldn't just randomly drop rpm like when full throttle
Are you saying that it does not have the problem when the SCOM is not installed?
@@3ftDeepChannel No sorry it has it installed, but before I installed it the revs wouldn't drop that much ever. The revs drop not even close to top speed as well thats why I'm unsure it is the scom.
Hello 3ft deep.... How much resistance should there be if I try to turn the supercharger impellar by hand please. And when you do the check in this video am I looking for the supercharger to slip or checking thst the bolt is still tight
Thanks in advance
Connected to the engine that is
When it’s still connected to the engine, there should be considerable resistance. What we are checking in the video is how much torque it takes before the impeller spins free from the engine. It is engaged to the engine like a clutch. Does that help?
So sea doo says rebuild super charger 3 year or 100 hours I ride 5-6 hours a year change the oil every year with sea doo kit its been 3 years if the torque is in spec what are your thoughts Thanks Doug
That sounds like a very short time for a rebuild. Are you getting that interval from the Service Manual, or from the Sea-Doo Dealer? For most newer machines it would be 5 years and 175 hours. What year and model do you have?
So is the torque wrench you are using diffrent from a torque wrench you would use gor example head bolts? Can i just use a regular torque wrench and tighten it down to 8nm? Please HELP! Thanks in advance.
We have a number of different types of torque wrenches, each with different torque ranges (i.e. some delicate ones, some more robust). So the answer is "yes" if your torque wrench accurately reads within the range you're using it. In other words, you don't want to torque to 8nm if the range of your torque wrench is 5Nm o 200 Nm. You should use one that has a range of 1 Nm to 20 Nm, for example. You also need to ensure you're following a service manual very carefully, as many stretch bolts require a torque, followed by an additional turn to a certain degree. Good luck!
@@3ftDeepChannel i see now. Thank you for the reply. Appreciate it.
What is the tool called that you use to check the slippage, and can you tell me where to get one? I’ve seen it called different things.
It's a torque wrench with a dial gauge. You can find one here if you are okay with ordering out of the USA: www.amazon.com/dp/B000KKXOQC/ref=as_sl_pc_tf_til?tag=3ftdspor-20&linkCode=w00&linkId=8736ccdc98edd2ad1fb7926f0cd1b621&creativeASIN=B000KKXOQC. If you prefer to order from Amazon Canada, you can find it here: www.amazon.ca/dp/B000KKXOQC/ref=as_sl_pc_tf_til?tag=3ftdeepstore-20&linkCode=w00&linkId=5863d461d1fb3fe378d997e6485073a2&creativeASIN=B000KKXOQC. Good luck.
3ftDeep Thank You
Is the supercharger wheel supposed to spin on its own by hand with little friction? Or not suppose to spin at all?
Once removed from the machine it should be able to spend freely
“Spin”
I have a 17 RXTx 300, problem is the supercharger will spin with some resistance while on the unit with engine off. The dealer replaced the supercharger and this one is found the same thing.. kinda stumped. Don’t think it should spin by hand ...
Eat does spin "by hand" even when it's in the engine, as it has slip washers. It shouldn't be easy, though. Sounds like it's still on warranty, so I'd let the dealer "deal" with it. Why did you take the supercharger off in the first place on a new machine? What was the problem?
can you use a digital Torque Wrench ?
Absolutely. As long as the one you have will record the maximum torque.
The same way on the video I can check my 2020 seadoo gtr 230 slip on the supercharger
Yes. There are much easier ways to do this that are not condoned by the manufacturer, however, but you’ll need to search on Greenhulk.net to get the instructions. Good luck.
how much would it cost to rebuild my 2004 GTX 4-tec limited supercharge engine? i hydrolocked it on cylinder #1 with only 20 hours into it and its been sitting for 10 yrs in front of the house. Do you do that for people? where are you located? i would like to increase the HP on it as well. your advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you ahead of time.
If it’s been sitting that long with water in the engine, it would be cost prohibitive to rebuild the engine and make any economic sense. It would be better to buy a new machine, in my opinion. We are up in White Rock, Canada. Good luck!
@@3ftDeepChannel after i hydro locked it i have had the engine in pieces out of the haul. so no not full of water just all the parts of the engine out including super charger the boat and all the internal electronics all good. so I just have to rebuild the engine and super charger and drive train.
I would budget about US$2,000 for the engine, US$350 for the supercharger and depending on what the drivetrain needs if it’s a pump rebuild at least $500 US.
@@3ftDeepChannel ok do you just recommend getting a rebuilt engine? I was hoping to increase the HP . the haul is in prestine condition. if so do you know of any online place I could buy one from? are those reliable? do you know of a place where the reuilt engines are performance tuned better than OEM?
If you're committed to your 2004, then that's what I'd do. The problem is that it is an older machine, and parts are expensive. I see boats very differently than cars. If my car breaks down I can pull over to the side of the road, get ticked off and call someone to come get me and tow it home. If my boat has an issue 25 miles from shore, that's a different story... For that reason I would never keep a boat (that I hadn't been constantly maintaining) that was over 15 years old. Actually, my rule is closer to 10 years old. If you ride in safe places, and have confidence in the integrity of the rest of the machine (electrical components, for example) and are committed to keeping it running well, then you could consider rebuilding the engine (we wouldn't buy one, as it's much more fun and satisfying to rebuild them). First, I'd pull the engine and take it apart and see what shape it's in. If it's in decent shape, I'd rebuild it. If not (and you are sure you're going to keep it), then I'd buy another engine. I wouldn't bother trying to increase the HP though. We found that the best way to increase HP in used machines is to just replace the wear ring in the pump. Just a little wear on those can cause you to lose a lot of HP. Also, a damaged impeller (that can be fixed by Impros) can also cause you to lose a lot of HP. Check those things out, first. That's what we'd do. Good luck!
What are the symptoms when the supercharger starts to slip because my Seadoo I will be riding it and it would get to about 50 miles per hour and it seems like if it was a car it's slip back into neutral I will have to shut it off start it back up and try to ride it below 50 miles per hour and sometimes it still do it also my supercharger is new
What year is your machine, and what is happening to your engine revs at the time the problem hits?
@@3ftDeepChannel is a 2006 and the engine rev goes up high like it in neutral
@@xzavierholmes7169 It sounds like you may have stripped splines on your driveshaft. If I were you I'd pull the pump and look at the splines on the end of the driveshaft, and check the mating end on the impeller. My bet is you need a new driveshaft. Let me know what you find. Good luck.
@@3ftDeepChannel thanks for the advice I'm going to check it out I'll let you know what I find
@@xzavierholmes7169
What did you find?
Did Ty ou fix the problem?
Hello friends I need help with my rxp 215 2006 I have the problem that
happens to the water circuit oil, and the oil radiator probe is fine.
I would like to inform me where to continue looking for where that oil
leak could arise. Thank you in advance for your attention.
Sorry, but are you saying you have water in your oil system, or oil in your water system?
Hi, how are you? My problem is, I have oil in the water. What could you tell me about it? From already thank you very much
Hello Deep, oil in your water system
It could be a leaky head gasket. It could also be a leak in your oil cooler. If you don't have much mechanical experience, you should take it in to the dealer for repair. Good luck!
Hi, I need help with my sea doo gti 4tec. When it's hot, it does not start. already changed starter, starter solenoid, battery and checked the cables. Slow start..please help??
By slow start do you mean it's sluggish when cold, but starts up after a few tries?
3ftDeep do not. it turns well when cold, more after running a few minutes and turning off the engine turns very slow and not start.just let cool he start.
What year and model ? Stock or is it modified ?
3ftDeep sea doo gti 4tec 2007 stock!
If it cranks at normal speed I would replace the spark plugs and make sure the coils are correctly seated. Then if no change I would check that the fuel pump runs when the key is connected then check the fuel pressure.
Does this also go for the rxpx 300?
Although it's recently been questioned, the 300 superchargers are supposed to be maintenance-free. You can check the slip if you like, but it's not as critical as it was with the
@@3ftDeepChannel thank you for the prompt response subscribed
@@3ftDeepChannel it actually is just as critical on the 300s even though they switched from the ceramic washers. Friends is slipping now at 100 hours, 2021 300 model. Also, greenhulk rebuilds a bunch of them and has a video about it and offers the service if you're not confident to do it.
We’ve heard of that, but not experienced the issue yet. Do you recall what the slip torque was on the 2021 300 model?
It looked like the gauge read 7 N.M. which is out of spec. Am I reading it wrong?
Yes, it was a bit out of spec.
Aren't you supposed to replace the supercharger if it's out of spec?@@3ftDeepChannel
@superk4562 We don’t normally replace the superchargers, just rebuild them. It’s much cheaper that way.
Great video, thanks, just a side note, would this be exactly the same way to do the slip check on a 2020 RXTX 300, or are there a completely different set of procedures and, if so, where would I find the procedures online? TIA
The best way to check for differences is to get a hold of a Service Manual for your machine. I don't believe there are any procedures posted online (that's why we started our channel), and I can't honestly say if what the differences are. I can say that some people short-circuit the process by jamming a piece of wood in the impeller (so it won't turn), and turning the supercharger nut to check the slip that way. It's probably not as accurate, but it worked for them. Good luck!
@@3ftDeepChannel Thanks for the quick replay, will have to take a look and see if I can get a hold of a manual for this model/year. Thanks again...and great channel
@@matthewbeauregard5057 It is the SAME exact procedure. I have the service manual and a 2020 RXT 300. Manual states a broken in SC should be at 97 inch pounds or greater. A Brand new SC should be 124-150 inch pounds. Procedure is identical. Only tip it gives to before placing the locking shaft in place is rotate the SC at least 3 revolutions to make sure any grease or etc is clear internally to get a completely accurate reading.
@@Futurase1 Thank you for the info much appreciated.
buying the 2016 as model made my life difficult
I'll bet. We discourage people from buying the "as" models.
@@3ftDeepChannel I’m working on mine now. It’s actually not too bad to work on, once I bought the service manual it was pretty easy. I managed to get the supercharger, intercooler, and water box out pretty easily without removing the entire top deck.
With that said, there’s a place in hell for the engineer who placed the air silencer over the oil filter. That’s one sick practical joke. It’s not that hard to do, just a lot of unnecessary work.
On a side note, will there be a 215 supercharger rebuild video coming soon?
Glad to hear you’re making good progress. We’re not planning on doing a 215 supercharger rebuild, as it’s pretty similar. Thanks for your comment and safe riding.
I think it's alot quicker to take the sc off & test it.
The easiest way is to jam a broom handle in the impeller to stop it from turning, and then check the slip of the supercharger. I like to show the official steps, though.
+3ftDeep nice I like that idea
Works well ;)