Nikon Z8 vs Canon R5 vs Sony a7R V: 45 megapixel full-frame mirrorless cameras!
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Tony & Chelsea Northrup review the new Nikon Z8 against its biggest competition in the arena of high-megapixel full-frame mirrorless cameras: the Canon R5 and Sony a7R V. The Z8 and Canon R5 have 45 megapixels, while the Sony a7R V has 60 megapixels. However, the Sony's extra megapixels slows it down a bit, because it has a much slower sensor readout speed, which reduces autofocus performance and lowers the maximum frames per second (FPS).
Tony & Chelsea test the cameras for handling, travel, portraits, video, wildlife, sports, low-light performance (considering both sensor stabilization and image quality), and lens selection.
0:00 Introduction
1:10 Handling
3:16 Travel Photography
4:13 Portrait Photography
5:47 Video
7:21 Wildlife Photography
12:10 Sports Photography
13:19 Image Quality
16:00 Sensor Stabilization
18:02 Lens Selection
18:52 Summary - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
I bought my R5 2 years ago and I'm still very happy with it. I am also glad that Sony and Nikon shooters have great cameras to choose from. More competition from more manufacturers mean better cameras for everyone.
Canon R5 the best
@@lribeir would you suggest the R5 ( vs the other 2 in the video) as a good " all-around" mirrorless primarily focusing on still-photography? thank you
This is the correct take. I'm a sony fan boy but i love seeing the new cameras coming out from the other companies.
I knew of the outcome before I started the video as you guys are Sony fan boys regardless of what you say. Canon R5 is the best camera here. Ohh and bye the way I don’t have any loyalty to any of these cameras.
@@michaelkaufman9625 I believe it is the best for photography and video as well. Thank you.
I bought an A7RV 6 months ago based on the AF, multi-angle screen, size and weight. I am aging, have shaky hands and failing eyesight. The A7RV has been a joy to use so far. I am not much into video, wildlife or fast action so, for me, it is the perfect camera.
Every year, technology advancements make cameras better and better but I hope to enjoy this one for years to come. No need to change or switch every so many months.
huh............
@@duranteh.4287it’s pretty easy to understand. Maybe learn English.
Nikon Z8 is straight killing it! Love using it for weddings and events.
I still find the A7R5's face recognition to be the best feature for weddings and events, it comes in clutch a lot of times.
I have two cameras in this list ,the Sony and Nikon . The sony wins for image stabilization,autofocus and details . The Nikon wins for dynamic range ,handling ,ergonomics, speed ,color science and way better screen and viewfinder . The Sony has the numbers but when I look through the viewfinders and back screen of both cameras I have the impression that Sony is making bogus claim here .
I have carefully compared both cameras and the Nikon is the better choice .
You guys took two weeks to make this video and did not find out that Nikon lens ring can be configured to perform different functions including aperture ? You did not find out that Nikon 600mm
Lens has tc built in ?
did not notice that Sony viewfinder pixel drops significantly while tracking ?
did not notice that blackout completely ruled out the A7RV for any kind of action ?
Actually the Z8 is competing with R5,Z9 and the A1.
I can’t find one scenario I can pick the A7RV ahead of the Z8.
Flashpoint is not a pro flash as it can’t keep up with 7 frames per second and it’s ttl is not very reliable for such speed and performance get native flashes .
At this point I can conclude that you guys are now more TH-camr than photographers .
They have always been that. In their hands, Canons become super performer and Nikon start sucking automatically. It’s bogus.
Yeah I know the Nikon lens ring can be configured but I like the analog ring much better. We specifically mention the 600 TC, which is not shipping.
@@TonyAndChelsea You know nothing about Nikon before your evaluate Z8
@@TonyAndChelseait's always somebody out here trying to kill ya, with all the good u do, keep up the good work 💪🏾
I also found the Sony EVF to look very bad, even though the spec says otherwise. The EVF on the A7R4/5 looked significantly worse than my Lumix G9.
I learned so much from your videos. I have an LS 3 camera for my channel. Thank both of you guys for taking the time to produce these types of videos.
Thanks Myles 😊
My personally winner is the Z8. I do most landscape, wildlife, car racing, some macro and video. I can use my tilt& shift lens, my macro 200mm f4 and all my teles with this camera. I like the full-size grip and the weight. The weight gives me a better balance to the lens. Very important to me is the constant firmware update from Nikon. I switched from Canon to Nikon because Canon didn't pay for the offered discount what they advertised. Never had any problem with all Nikon gear over many years. I started with Nikon D3, D3x, D810, D500 & D850, never had a problem with lenses, too. I used Canon from 1978 when I lived in Germany up to the switch to Nikon more than a decade ago. Camera rating is for what you need your camera how you say it. These 3 cameras all top.
Hi. Thanks for the video. Excellent. I liked the overall categories that you chose to review the cameras. And I really liked the bar graph that you put in at the end of the video showing all categories and how each camera faired, all in one spot. Assessment was good. Like the Canon and the price. And just throwing out the apps... a win. But all are nice and I like many things about all of them.
Thanks for a great video. I have the z8 and am still learning the function. I like wildlife, portrait and landscapes.
Very interesting, thanks. I use my A7R5 for about 75% events & portraits, 25% sports. In sports I shoot mostly 5/10k team running and my hit rate is about 95% in-focus. I agree, it’s not the best sports camera but I rarely ever hit the buffer, and I shoot raw, and I’m often out for 90 min. shooting up to 1400 frames (depending on the no. of runners). Also, I have to switch focus real fast, & I’m amazed at the performance. For my purposes this camera is fine. Just thought this w/b helpful to anyone in a similar situation.
Thank you - really enjoyed this. Would love to see your thoughts on the more compact/travel FF cameras (and the system), with interesting releases like the Zf, R8 and 7cII/R
7:00 Video Focus: Look at setting G6 in the Custom Controls menu. It changes the rate of speed that the focus adjusts during video to allow you to smooth out focus aquisition when changing subjects and also minimize lense focusing sound as much as possible. I believe the default is mid range. Changing it to fast makes a big difference.
My personal experience with Z8 is opposite to what the channel experienced. I only have problem with AF locking when zooming in and out when Z8 looses focus for a second.
Very helpful compares. It comes down to the category that matters the most to each photographer. Thanks for putting this video together.
Three amazing cameras which can do things that we could not have even dream was possible five years ago. An interesting and enlightening review .
For being 3 years old, going against cameras < 6months old the R5 held its own quite nicely. Hopefully the R5II is a beast.
Do you really need something better? For me personally I would be happy with R5 for another 10 years 😅
Shooting with R6 at the moment.
did u able to use 8k without struggle, or inbody or without overheating, or in low light proper focusing
Thanks for the input! Excellent comparison! Thanks for taking me along!
Folks, thanks so much for your reviews; I love the style and above all the direct honesty! That’s been consistent over the many years I’ve followed you.I use an R5 with the RF100-500 principally for wildlife in Southern Africa (when I get to travel!) - I’m very happy with it, especially since my previous camera was a 70D! I know that eventually things will pull well ahead of it, but honestly, in real-world terms, the thing is mind blowing and will serve me for many years to come.
Finally, interesting that in the end there were 3 points in it! For me, I would simply exclude apps and wireless transfer because *all* cameras seem to be woeful in this regard. Honestly, it’s like the manufacturers sent a team of engineers on a one-week 1980’s intro to programming course and said: “have at it!” The manufacturer that figures this part out will capture an oversized portion of the youth market in the same way Apple has influenced car buying choices with Airplay.
Tough video to make with such amazing camera bodies. It's hard to narrow things down when they all perform so well. Good work!
I think it comes down to what you are shooting. Wildlife, birds etc. is massively different than shooting weddings or just normal travel stuff like Egypt. It would be awesome to get the strengths of all 3 wrapped into one but it just doesn't that way.
I went with Z8, for events, and love it.@@Scott2-13-70
Great vid! I like how you made the scoring such that everyone can pick the categories best for them. I never use apps on my cameras!
Thanks for your comparison. In my earlier days I shot on Sony. Switched to Canon when the Canon 5D Mark iii came out. Now I have a Canon R5C because I use it more for filming, but when I'm out it's actually cool that it can also take pictures. I have also used Blackmagic for films. For larger film productions, it has not been my equipment and I have been in the role of director or VFX supervisor. Here it has actually mostly been Sony, Blackmagic and Canon in that order, also very little shot on a RED.
These days, I shoot Sony A7RV cameras and GM lenses. But, like I told a friend many years ago, I don't have to have the best, it just has to be good enough for me. Shoot whatever you want or can afford. But, get out there and shoot.
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Thanks for this entertaining and useful review! Canon R5 held up really well for 3 years old, especially if ignore the app rating which i would never use (except for perhaps shutter trigger). Used ones can be had for around $2500. I will say the lens selection is a HUGE factor. I feel extremely constrained by Canon's lack of third party lenses. I consider switching to Sony based on that alone with gems like the Tamron 35-150 f/2-2.8. im about to get an R6 to compliment (or perhaps replace) my R6 and hope Canon steps up their affordable lenses
Thank you for the detailed and fair comparison guys!
I have the R7 and the A7iv and I'm very happy with them shooting mostly birds and wildlife. I'd be interested to see how the Canon R8 would compare to this other bunch. That seems to be almost a no-brainer for me to get to go with my EF wildlife primes that I'm adapting to the R7 and A7iv. The A7iv is nice when adapted to the EF lenses and with the 200-600mm but the frame rate is much lower than the R8 would deliver. I could also use the R8 with the rf800mm f11 that I'm getting soon.
Any review has its own pros and cons as long as it is seriously done and stated clearly.
It is a timely reference to me and thank you!
I love to keep using Nikon since starting my photography
It has very solid and good product like D850.
I will go for Z8 once its price drops to a better range.
there review are alwayz biased towards Canon...no matter how much canon sucks they always trying ready to defend and convert theis cons in to pro and for nikon same thing, their pros in to cons...
@@Jackourd I shoot Nikon. But the R5 in the review def has its positives. I should a lot of birds and the Canon autofocusing is just better. I think the Z8 is slightly better overall than the R5. Then you have the Sony which would be my preference if only shooting people, buildings and landscapes while traveling- the opposite of wildlife stuff.
Excellent point in that different photographers were weight different measures. Well done!
I think that the Z8 looks great and that bigger body is a good thing rather than a disadvantage considering it's purpose (which is the one of a Z9, but in a smaller body and more affordable)
totally agree, I don't like show small some of the mirrorless bodies are. I don't have big hands, but I did have to buy a battery pack for the D500. D5 is much better
@@Topgunphoto As a X-T4 user I totally agree, I often find myself craving a X-H2 type of grip
Looking for overall weight and lightweight lenses. Primarily for travel and landscape as well as some portrait and macro work. Shoot with Nikon D850 professionally, but getting ready to retire and travel and will most likely switch to Sony. I did have a Sony 6300 which I never warmed to, due to the size and menus. I'm also spoiled by the Dynamic Range in the full frame. I have a Nikon D600 that I bought years ago that works just fine, but the Sony looks like something worth splurging on. Thanks for all thorough research and useful information.
just got a a7r5 after many years with a7r3. one problem nobody mentions is the horrible electronic level. as an architectural photog, it has too much "play" in the green bars. meaning -- it thinks it is vertical\level but it is way off. my canon 5dsr was much better. i wish sony allowed a "level sensitivity" adjustment so the level was more accurate like canon. sure, i can fix in post, but should not have to.
sold my Q2 to get A7rv to go with my A7riv, love it everything just feels right for what I take, Great lens selection and the GMs are great, yes all 3 are great cameras but committed to the Sony system with no regrets. The cameras good now it's up to me for results and happy so far.
A very useful video.
For travel or social coverage, the Sony A7RV coupled with the new Sony G 20-70 F4 is simply fantastic. It's a lightweight, compact FF camera, with a very useful focal length range, an articulated screen for framing that other cameras don't allow, and impressive stabilization while limiting access to higher iso.
Otherwise, I feel that the only limit to all these pro cameras will be the creativity and technical skills of the photographers themselves.
👍👍👍
Agree on the Sony A7 Rv. But if you are on safari or shooting birds, then it will be one of the other two. I wish I had the money to carry two cameras, one for wildlife and one for just general travel and people, temple, etc. shots.
Also, since the Z8 is so new. Firmware updates will play into this allot also.
Z9 just got a huge boost in AF via firmware, and it was already superb.
This is a super helpful review! Thanks!
Great vid. A shootout for ultimate image quality/usability, regardless of price-point or sensor size would be a fun watch.
The combination of 1.2/85, 4/600 and 5.6-6.3/800 and the best ergonomics lead me to the Nikon - although I prefer the Z 9 because I totally disagree with your point of view regarding weight. More weight better balances longer lenses and if you are too weak to hold it, use a monopod
Canon R5 even after a few years, still gives the best value for money.
Awesome comparisons.
Thanks for doing this but as this video proves it's not really possible to compare cameras "generically" any more -- each camera/system has its own strengths and weaknesses. Best to pick the one that performs best for your specific needs, or just pick the one that you feel most comfortable with.
As a wildlife video enthusiast, I'm currently shooting Nikon, but my interest and needs are very specific. There's never been a better time to get into photography!
I am surprised that you didn’t include the older EF Mount Canon lenses in your assessment of the R5. The EF to R adapters work well with the R5 and there are tons of 3rd party EF lenses that work on the R5 including the Sigma Art lenses. Finally, the cost of the Telephoto zooms is very different than across the three bodies and then did you account for the difference in bit depth?
I am having the hardest time finding the right camera for me....I am looking for a great camera for sports and wildlife! I shoot mostly sports (wrestling) and safari. I looked at the z8 but could not find a lens that would work for me (I can only afford to purchase 1 multi use lens-currently using a 50-300 tamron and would love something a little longer). I am usually on safari and in situations that I do not have the time to change back and fourth between different lenses and can only take 1 set up . Nikon does not have a lens that will work or at least I cannot find one. Sony is compatible with the tamron 50-400 (which I've heard is fairly good). Does anyone have any suggestions or opinions?
My prayers and thoughts are with you and your family. I had a bout with Bell’s palsy in 2014. I still have some minor muscle problems on my face. I had to learn to shoot with my left eye for months and refused to give up on my wildlife photography. I have issues with balance I have been working getting down lower but it’s difficult getting back up. I’m a follower of Christ and my faith is my life and I use photography to share the message of Christ. I’ll be 64 in August and plan on doing it for years to come. I’ve been watching your videos for about a year or so and enjoy your thought process. I can tell photography is more than a hobby for you and you have a gift as a teacher so keep your hands on the plow and don’t let your health hold you back. In the crazy world we live in it needs people who are well grounded as you seem to be. Again , my thoughts and prayers are with you.
Great comparison!! I am shooting with R5 (2 bodies) and I have currently five RF lenses. My standard travel equipment beside the 2 R5 bodies is: Rf 15-35/2.8, RF 50/1.2 and RF 70-200/2.8. To be honest I am considering to sell my whole gear and switching to the a7RV with the new 24-70/2.8 GM2. Much lighter and 80% of my images are done within the range of 24-70. 61MP allows to crop to above 100mm and most wide angle images can be done by stitching. I think that in particular the new 24-70GM2 is a game changer because of the size, the weight, the handling (aperture ring) and the outstanding optical performance (superior to the Canon 24-70 lens). My only concern is the bokeh versus my RF 50 mm lens. But hey - carrying only one body with one lens means to bring the camera much more often with me.
I have had a Canon R5 for two years and can't really fault it. Will be interesting to see what the next firmware update for the R5 delivers.
Me too!
Sports and Wildlife mostly, and this makes me very happy the Z8 shone - I've delayed the upgrade of my fleet of Nikon dSLR... until now 😃
I am Canon shooter. I am so glad to see Nikon back in the race now. Nikon users have been waiting for so long and now their patience seems to be rewarded now. My love goes to the R5. This camera is 3 years old and it still competes with these newer cameras. I don't care with the App so this is a winner for me. Also Canon gave us so exciting new features through firmwares updates like Nikon did with the Z9. All of you enjoy your new exciting camera !
Fantastic job guys, I would take the Nikon being a Nikon dslr and Mirrorless shooter for over 30 years, they just work for me, and produce the results I need, really think the z8 is gonna be a huge step up from the Z6
Canon R5 here. I've had it now for 11 months. I do more landscape that anything else, but anything goes if I think it's a photo worth taking. I don't really stress out any of the features - I don't do video at all, and only rarely do I even shoot moving subjects. As long as it gets the job done, I suppose most anything would work for me, but I've been with Canon since 2010, and I've found no reason to second guess that choice.
Sony was great at egonomics until they went to the e-mount - the a99ii is almost identical in size to the Z8, with great ergonomics. Great video guys, we appreciate the effort that goes into these!
How does z8 perform with the ftz bcoz i have several legacy f mount lenses
Video is important to me and I already own a D850, is the Z8 a no brainer or will I hate the video autofocus in 4 and 8K? Is the Panasonic GH6 a better video choice than the Z8, minus the full frame and 8K of course? Thanks for another excellent video 👍
So many unique features on the Nikon Z8 you didn't take into consideration: Illuminated buttons, full weather sealing, backwards compability to 100+ lenses (which are very cheap 2nd hand), pre-shutter buffering and on it goes.
And NO, people who buy a 45 mpix camera isn't necessarily pixels peeper (although Nikon do well and don't overprocess your images, but let you choose). A full res image should not be seen 100% closeup on a monitor, but 1 meter or more from the wall. All other use is often online in a very reduced resolution, which reduces noise etc. a big deal. That goes for all the great cameras in the lineup.
I mention the illuminated buttons and pre-shutter buffering specifically; those were taken into consideration. All of the cameras have weather sealing and we don't have any decent way to assess how they compare to each other. Each of the cameras has backwards compatibility with DSLR lenses; in fact we reviewed an adapter for Sony that allows AF with manual focus Nikon lenses.
Finally, people really do make massive prints and viewers lean in very close to look at them. Go to any art exhibit.
Great comparison, if you take away Lens Selection and Apps scores the remaining categories and I think the most important ones = Nikon-67 Sony-65 Canon-70, I have friends who have these particular cameras myself included (R5) and we all love them.
I don't agree with a lot of your conclusions/scoring, but I do appreciate the huge amount of work that clearly went into making this.
Love this review!!!!!!
Should have added battery life I think but that’s Ok. From a systems point of view also would be nice to grade Canon’s R5/R3 pair, Sony A7RV/A1 pair, and Nikon Z8/Z9 pair which is how I chose. Own Sony and Canon now but also shot Nikon Z9 for a year. Held off on the Z8 so far to see the EOS R5 II which I hope will be announced and available befor the end of the year. Thanks for the video. PS: use the A1 for wildlife and sports and A7RV for almost everything else. A7C for ultra light FF.
Thanks for this comparison video. I would love to see a comparison video using the same three cameras but of the Holy Trinity lenses for each please!
I love the R5 but I have also been a Canon shooter for a really long time so that probably has an impact. Portraits and sports are my main things and not as much video. All 3 are great cameras and 5 years ago we would have all loved any of the 3. Hopefully Adorama will help drive down the cost of some of the faster memory cards these cameras use, as I still see that as a tough sell when in reality if you dont do video you seldom need that type of transfer speed.
Nikon gets 100 points for my being able to put my entire hand on the grip.
And 0 for me for being a brick 🧱
How helpful is that 😅
Yeah the handling rating is bs
@@ItsMinarmyor it’s just subjective?
The Sony is just right when you add an L Plate to the bottom. That adds a spot for my pinky, and a tripod mount for portrait and landscape orientation. Of course the Canon and Nikon could also benefit from the same addition.
For portrait / studio, I would have mentioned that it's not possible to shoot tethered to Lightroom with Sony, that's quite important for studio photographers.
You can’t tether the a7rV?
You can absolutely tether with the Sony's.
@@TonyAndChelsea sorry edited the comment now, I meant with Lightroom
@@holdmyown32 not with Lightroom, you would have to use Sony’s own editor
The image quality test makes no sense.
You're shooting a book cover, which just isn't a real world scenario at all. You said, that the z8 doesn't have the filter, so it can take sharper images at the cost of more moiré. Seems kind of odd to make that a one-sided negative point, if in the real world the moiré won't be anywhere near as much of an issue as in this very specific test.
As I say in the video, there's no difference in image quality real world.
A book cover is a test conducted in a controlled environment, so it’s a valid test. Also, I shoot with a Sony a7r3 and get crazy moire in feather detail when shooting birds: a real world situation.
I just got a canon this year and realised how limiting the lens choices are and jumping ship to Sony r5.
I also got the canon rf 50 1.2 but still not committed to canon anymore ..
Contemplating Sony a1 let’s see which I get
11:15 Yes, if you write to the SD card, it will slow the buffer rate down, but if you use a good CF Express card and no SD card or set the SD card to overflow, your buffer will be as good as the Z9.
Don't take what these guys tell you as the final word. There are more in depth tests available on youtube.
That's an obvious workaround that gives up redundancy, it will only work for some people.
@@Rocky-AR Not always obvious to everyone and should be mentioned when buffer capacity is being evaluated.
@@tc6912 If the overflow setting is not obvious...that's a real case of "read the F'ing manual".
@@Rocky-AR The Northrups are considered authorities in the subject. I was just trying to point out something that could be overlooked by someone who is not as wonderful as you seem to think you are.
@@tc6912 Considered authorities....hahaha. They are just one out of many youtubers showing their opinion. I will consider what they say along with the other youtubers. Thinking what they say is set in stone for the rest of the industry is your personal problem. They spent 2 weeks on this video so they're not going to include obvious things like overflow and one card.
You should compare Z8 vs A1, they are at same level.
True, but if Z8 loses to a7r V here, it's pretty much gonna be the same result maybe?
Nikon seems to go the Pentax route: making cameras looking good on spec sheets (as if on par with higher competition), but in reality, AF fails to deliver? if for portraits:
"The Nikon was NOT IN FOCUS the ENTIRE time she was moving, it was only sharp when she stopped",
then the Z8 appears not even on par with Sony a6100 performance level, but really more towards Pentax? It is not about shiny spec sheet specs, but about engineering quality and implementation quality of basic functionality (such as modern AF).
The A1 is Sony's flagship. It would be unfair to compare it against another brand's not flagship model.
@@tubularificationed No way it’s like Pentax. The Z8 performed poorly on video, but they said it was the best AF for bird photography
@@tubularificationedwatch a camera review before making your mind
As a loyal Nikon user, answer is simple for me. Z8 is just what many of us have been waiting for, a camera that can really replace D850. The only bad thing about it is that I can't afford it 😆Of course, any of these 3 cameras will do the job well but because of the system build up, and lenses, you are kinda locked with the brand you choose initially. It's really hard to switch the brand if you aren't making ton of money. But, even if could afford to switch the brand I would still stick to Nikon cause I just prefer Nikon colors and ergonomics over Sony and Canon. Unfortunately switch from DLSR to Mirrorless is almost like switching the brand because of the different lenses. Yeah, adapter will do initially, but it is not only the body that you want, but those nice and sharp Z lenses too 😁
Overall agree, but the autofocus on Nikons can be a pain, especially when shooting birds in foliage. And I have a Nikon.
Hi Thomas thx for the video but your conclusion re the Z8 for wildlife video would be that its not a option as it couldn't focus while Chelsea was walking or did I not understand you correctly thx
Doug
I purchased the Sony A7RV ~8 months ago and I love it... with one exception - 10fps. By todays standards, that is pretty slow. But at 61 MP, using GM/GM II primes and zooms, the images are absolutely amazing IMO. When they upgrade the sensor on the A1, I will probably migrate up even though I do not do photography full time. I can't imagine ever needing more than 61MP, but I also remember saying that 15 years ago when I bought my 25MP Nikon D2X Haha! My only other complaint about Sony is the GM 85 1.4. Unless you are in perfect lighting, the autofocus performs very poorly, not to mention the motor noise. I returned mine and purchased the Sigma 85 1.4 to use while patiently waiting for Sony to catch up :(
Right. I use the a7rv and 85 gm before too. The 85GM af speed just doesnt catch up. It gives alot false af even at 1/125 sometimes the shot is still blurry on still subjects. No issue for other lenses. I love using the 35 gm and 70-200 gm ii on my a7rv
You are not using native Z mount lens for Video Autofocus
What AF settings did you have for the Z8??
I purchased the R5. This camera continues to blow my mind. Never regretted my purchase for a second.
A very well-informed video touching on all the important aspects and providing the categories to allow a novice like me to make a better decision, thank you for your efforts.
The Z8 is the obvious choice. Judging by Nikons relentless firmware work it'll get even better at AF in time and it's the only one with a stacked sensor. I don't think the R5-II will have a stacked sensor.
Do you think a stacked sensor has any bearing on how good your photos are????nope
I wouldn’t refer to their firmware work as relentless considering they have deliberate;y started leaving features out of the upgrades for the z8.
Good test but I wouldn't take off any points for Z8 weight/size as the test was for handling and Nikon's ergonomics are best in the industry.Also the IBIS on my Z6II is pretty amazing, I can shoot 400mm at 1/30 and have at least 75% sharp pictures and for a non VR lens 24-120 I can shoot at 1/15 at 120mm no problems either.
What I don’t understand is all the autofocus issues you guys have with the Nikon Z9 and Z8? I have both of these cameras and they are flawless for me, I never have any issues with autofocus.
You're using them differently or not scrutinizing them as closely. For the sake of a review and identifying differences in 3 cameras that function very well, we push the cameras to their limits. The video autofocus test was done at 200mm f/2.8, at close range, which is a realistic but challenging scenario. The same is true for the headshots; they were shot with shallow depth-of-field specifically to make focusing inaccuracies more obvious.
Shooting wider, higher f/stops, or slower moving subjects and you wouldn't notice the difference.
@@TonyAndChelsea Hi Tony though I may not agree with all of your findings (specific to Nikon Z9 & Z8) I do understand your in depth reviews and head to head tests with other brands. I most certainly can not claim how the camera performs against Canon or Sony…I was just saying from my own perspective, I have not had any issues with missed shots using Nikons autofocus, and yes, I shoot them professionally in all kinds of scenarios, such as portraits, weddings, sports, etc.
Using moire in print as 1:1 indicator of image quality is not - great
I agree, I noticed that the Z8 captured the printing pattern as is in real life, I almost prefer the accuracy to a softened image.
Thanks for the very thoughtful review. I noticed you didn’t include landscape as a category. I’m curious how you would have rated these cameras. Any insights for landscape photography.
There's just no real difference in real world image quality. It would come down to weight (for those hiking) and lens Selection (especially for things like fast primes for astro).
@@TonyAndChelsea Thank you!
Thinking of getting a canon R6 mark II camera with the 24~105mm L lens mirrorless Fuller’s frame camera. Don’t really do video but mostly do landscape & wildlife photography. Your opinion?
Great review of these wonderful cameras. Why do we need such huge lens on these camera bodies? How do these cameras work when adapting 3rd party lens ?
The Sony will be the heaviest of the 3 because of the dust now accumulating on the sensor.
Some say, that the great barrier reef is now de-silted thanks to the Sony FF.
Hi Tony & Chelsea. All of your videos are very helpful including this one. I would like to ask you one question about this review. In the video auto focus test, while you're filming Chelsea moving, were you using Sony lenses version 2 or third party? On Sony website, they state that Sony lenses give better video results. I think in one of your videos, you also said Sony prevented third parties from making their lenses focus as fast as Sony's.
I greatly appreciate if you can provide the information regarding the lens you used for this test. It will help all of your TH-cam users save a lot of money buy buying 3rd party lenses if they work well for videos.
Sony 70-200 f2.8 GM II. I used only the lenses you see in the video.
Apps while becoming more important, don’t matter as much. I would have rather you done a durability / weather sealing test. How it holds up in rain, wind, and snow would have meant way more than apps. Solid video. I have the Sony 7r4. Got it used. It’s a nice camera but I have to baby it. All of my other cameras are Canon, no babying. I have the Canon R5 on my wishlist it’s just too expensive right now.
My Sony A7r4 has a great EVF.
Wow what a great video! hey Tony why don't you give us a .csv file or similar with the scores?
The A7RV ergo's gave me a blister within 4 hours of shooting. Went back the next day.
Like the A7IV, it's very uncomfortable to hold and very thick with sharp edges. The grip is one of the worst I've tried. The IBIS for stills is really good though. Would be a great camera if Sony fixed their ergonomics, but I suspect their commitment to the E-mount geometry means they're stuck with this design for good.
@@HokKanyes agree. If they could sort their ergonomics and make an integrated vertical grip I would seriously consider their system as so many good features
I have the Sony A74 which has exact body of the A7R5 they use. I also have the Canon R5. Both wonderful cameras. To say that the ergonomics of the Sony are better than the Canon is frankly hard to believe. The exact opposite is true
How do you test the stabilization? All other photographers said that Nikon Z8 have a great impressive stabilization with longer focal length.
24-70 at 50mm handheld. I start shooting at the reciprocal rule and then use longer and longer shutter speeds one stop at a time. I then painfully examine hundreds of shots to count every sharp shot and compile the % of sharp shots at each stop below the reciprocal rule. That's the chart I showed.
The longer focal length others talk about is the 600 TC, the lens has top of line IS which adds to the body's IS. The Nikon 24-70S has no IS so it is the body's IS only where Sony and Canon have better IS.
@@TonyAndChelsea Should not have used the kit lens.
I thought you were going to do a Z 8 review without doing these comparison videos , they are to subjective , I mean giving points on a high end camera for a flip screen ?
Yeah it's totally subjective and we discuss that in the summary. If you don't need a flip screen, factor that in... though the Nikon still scored extremely well for handling.
Why was the Nikon score lowered for lack of 3rd party lens availability and no points given for the large selection of available F mount, native and 3rd party, lenses that are available.? Like the one used during this test.
And the same can be said about Canon and EF lenses. Lens availability should rather be where both Canon and Nikon still have a great advantage over Sony.
All the cameras allow adapting DSLR lenses. Sony has available AF adapters for Canon, Nikon, and even manual focus lenses.
@@TonyAndChelseakon Z mount can adapt Sony e mount lenses and also has af of manual focus lenses. For adaptability and sheer number of available lenses, Sony loses. For native lenses Sony trumps all. I know of quite a few Nikon shooters selling their Sony 200-600 now that the 180-600 was announced.
@@TonyAndChelsea Based on this fact, wouldn't it appear more unbiased if in the comparison it was mentioned that Nikon and Canon have a large native and third party lens selection, but only Sony offers adapters that allows native, third party AND competitor's mounts. Sony wins, hands down. I often shoot with the Nikon 19mm f/4E PC. A lens not offered with a Sony mount. Now knowing I could use this lens and my other F mount specialty lenses with the Sony 60mp may add another option in my camera bag.
THAT was a review, thank you !
I remember, back in 2018, when I first used the Sony application for remotely controling my camera... such a punishment !
But now, with those new versions of "IEM" or "Creator's app"... you actually can work with them. And this is just what I did.
About two weeks ago, thank to Sony's applications, I was able to film a music gig all by myself with... 3 cameras ! Never would have I thought this possible, even some 3 years ago. But those softwares do work and, apart from a few moments of lagging or slow displaying, they performed just fine.
One fixed camera, with lens set on 30 mm angle of view (with with some assistance from the "Clear image zoom"), operated remotely with my smartphone (place on the hotshoe of the...) + one tripod-mounted camera with long-tele-photo lens (from 150 to 600 mm focal lengths) + one similar camera, handheld for quicker response to grab images of the performers' energy and flow, on tracking AF 90% and controled with an application (turned off when necessary for quicker reaction).
I thought I would suffer, but no : it all went fine and the results are way beyond my expectations.
Sony has shown how they can transfer their World-class professional broadcasting systems technology to the larger audience of non-pros or small-size companies, and this is no kids plastic-tools full of colours. This is serious stuff you can produce content with, for real and with great results. Amazing !
Great video thanks. I'd say the Sony is the weakest camera in the comparison for me personally mainly because of the really slow sensor. Also from what I've seen Nikon's AF is close enough to CaSony that I don't hold it against it. The Z8 is a ridiculously good camera for the price and the Canon R5 is really impressive given it's age. The only thing really holding Canon RF back IMO is the reasonably priced native lens selection (and before you suggest the adapter, I beg, just don't).
ха ха - адаптер купи для Canon! :)
WRT 3 party lens choices... I have to say, the Sigma art 105 f2.8 macro is THE best lens I own now, in terms of its sharpness...my ultimate criterion. I don't go to it for speedy focusing, but wow. Makes me wonder how its equivalent on my Nikon D850 would perform. I won't touch anything by Tampon again when one I had on my Nikon D700 on safari repeatedly fails by locking up mid focus....a failure I never encounter in a month of pre-trip testing. Sony's lenses and this Sigma (my first from them) have been consistently flawless. The A7R5 works beautifully with the Sigma.
Nikon has a new features "Skin Softening", "Portrait Impression Balance" and WB optimized for human subjects, were these setting used in your test comparison? Also in the past you used to talk about the lack of use among most brands for HEIF format, did you compare that with JPEG and who else uses that? Lastly, the raw files used in your test, did you use any 14-bit? Thanks..
They said the Z9 had probably tracking animals so sounds like the they've final learnt how to use a Z9/8 for wildlife 😊
Nikon Z8 is the best one. Weight is not an issue especially for most of the folks already watching who are coming from DSLR. For anyone who wants what the Z8 offers then I doubt the weight is an issue. Autofocus, everyone is raving about eye autofocus, if all everyone shot was eyeball, then I would say it's an issue... :). I really miss when Tony actually taught photography, Or maybe it's the gear that makes the photographer these days :)
Agree, the T&C camera tutorial were great, as was chit-chat & T&C Live & some of the myth busting stuff.
I thought T&C maybe getting bored with foto stuff and were winding down their content as thecontent has been nowhere as good as it used to be.
Thank y’all I couldn’t decide now I have the Nikon system and the Sony system. Canon is looking pretty good too and I am a hobbyist with big dreams lol thank y’all.
Glad you actually make no bones as to which camera you actually prefer. Thanks.
Because of lens selection affordability - and because of historical choice ( minolta ) I am just wishing/hoping that the A7r5 gets a$900 discount somewhere this month....I can dream.
Where would the a1 be in that ranking if you had included it? Does it beat the z8 in wildlife and sport?
Yeah absolutely the a1 wins. It's our daily.
I’m still using the original Z6 for professional work so really whatever camera you pick, it will be great when you get used to it.
I bought the A7RV but sold it after a few months. It felt a bit slow compared to my A74 and the mechanical shutter was so dissatisfying. It is a great camera for sure, just overkill for what I needed and lacking the zip that comes along with newer, faster sensors.
What did u buy instead?
Still loving my R5, but I'm glad to see there's stiff competition! All great cameras, like you guys said, the winner for anyone is going to come down to personal preferences. For example, while I'm very jealous of the Sony lens selection, I really don't care for the Sony ergonomics.
What a great video! My brother shoots the Canon R5 and I shoot the Sony A7R5. We frequently compare our photos and experiences. In our experience, the Canon is a clear winner in wildlife and the Sony is a clear winner in portrait/travel. My students often ask me which camera to buy. I tell them to try each within their budget and pick the one they like the best. In the future, I will be sending them to your site for additional advice. Thanks for the wonderful video!
Thank you!
do you think Nikon can update the auto-focus issues?
I'll always choose a sony for the lens selection, the GM/ GM II are the best out there, plus the added third party selection beats everything out there. As for Camera bodies, they'll keep coming, Z8 definitely is better for wildlife at the moment maybe for a few more months, but the Sony a9iii will arrive soon. The one important lesson I have learnt over time is to invest in lenses, bodies keep coming, go with the system that has the best lenses for you.
You can use Sony e-mount glass including autofocus on Nikon Z-mount cameras with Megadapt ETZ21 Adapter.
Be aware, for image quality, shooting printed material will naturally trigger a moire pattern since the printing process employs screens at various angles to form a printing rosette pattern. Any camera without an anti alias filter will have more trouble with this. To get a better judgement of image quality printed material should not have been used.
Appreciate the video. Still loving my R5, esp. w/ the 28-70mm f/2 and, after this review, even more so since it held up against 2 newer cameras (2 years later). $500 extra for Sony or Nikon and only a 1-2 point gain is splitting hairs - something I can live with. With DxO PL6, Capture 1, Lightroom and PS all gunning for the AI space now, what the camera can't do, software can.
Also, cheaper lenses. Meaning compared to Nikon and Sony, not Tamron 3rd part etc.
Most surprised I am that R5 is so close or even ahead of the competition even though it becomes three years old in July 23. Just shows how excellent camera it is / was, especially when it was new. Might become future classic a bit like 5D Classic and 5D Mark II are nowadays.
Excited to see what R5 Mark II has to offer.
I love my R5 and don't anticipate needing anything better for a very long time. I was using a 60D before it, so anything would have been a pretty big upgrade, but the R5 is such a superb do-everything option and very comfortable and easy to use. The one thing that drives me nuts is the lens selection. You have locked down first party RF options being mostly budget (RF 16mm f/2.8, 50mm f/1.8) or hyper-expensive (RF 100-500, RF 28-70, RF 50mm f/1.2). You have older EF lenses that require an adapter and don't take advantage of the short back focus. And you don't have access to any of the "DN" mirrorless-formula new Sigma lenses, or any other third-party autofocus RF-mount lenses. Of course I can find good lenses for my needs, but it sucks to see a cool new Sigma lens come out (like the Sigma 14mm F1.4 DG DN which is optimized for astrophotography) and simply be unable to take advantage of it.
Yeah I was surprised too, especially considering the price. The R5 is really a historic camera.
@@TonyAndChelsea It pulled Canon from the basement to the outhouse in one generation - the R6 was no slouch either and now they are filling out the line.
This review id hilarious. How can somebody doing photography be so color insensitive. Sony skin colors are terrible, both Canon and Nikon look much better. And it's not just WB.
@@anthonyt1427 yeah, right, as if I don't know. Sony has been tweaking colors with every camera release, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. In fact, the Riii still remains the least problematic camera with regards to color. And ironically, the A1 is one of the worst.