New 750hp tubby for my RWB 964 Turbo - EFR 8374 on Porsche 911 - Part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- It's new turbo time for my 964 Turbo. I've chosen a Borg Warner EFR 8374 which may or may not fit onto the beautiful hand-built Promodet exhaust system. Let's find out!
►Collecting my 964 in Japan video here: • Japan Road Trip Collec...
►Part one of the handling issues video here: • Widebody RWB Porsche 9...
►Part two of the handling issues video here: • Widebody RWB Porsche 9...
►The rundown video of what I've done to the car since collecting it in Japan • RWB Porsche 911 964 Tu...
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I work for Radshape Sheet Metal in Aston, we are mainly an automotive supplier, one of our strengths is our metal polishing shop amongst others. We are closed now due to Corona but if you ever need any polishing done (we could work wonders with that exhaust) or fancy having a look around just give u a bell and ask for me, cheers.
Awesome, thank you very much. I did think it probably needs a professional touch at some point.
Phil , you and Jay are knocking it out of the park keeping us all amused right now . Cheers lads!
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Props to that HKS turbo for surviving like it did, never seen a compressor wheel so smashed and not full of oil and despair. Deffo deserves to live on a plinth now!
It's mad isn't it!
Turbine wheel exducer looks bigger on the T04S than the EFR to be fair. But it's undivided! A proper twin scroll setup should spool way faster and make more power.
Amazed the car made any decent power with a comp wheel that fucked! Should be miiiles better.
Yeah should be axle snapping good (I need to get some sh1tter tyres)
Favorite channel
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I know the guy below me just said it but favorite channel. literally the dream shop
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" I like a bit of DRAMA in my life" says Phil- no Phil- WE like a bit of drama in your life. Can't stop laughing. Cheers mate
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Phil, I love this non-stop series of financial mistakes on your channel. Oh and the cars are nice too.
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Well, someone using a persuasion stick on Bad Boys Porsche! interesting never thought I'd see that. PMSL Love your vision and can-do attitude. The exhaust system is like you said a piece of art, wondered when Jay would chin in, and right on time he appears with his head-sized monster, perfect Tuesday night viewing. Bring on part 2.
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Thanks for the consistent uploads DW , you guys are smashing it . Keep up the good work
Our pleasure! 👍
I love the use of the "Might" word lol
Smallest hammer also known as a Technical Adjustment.
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2 videos on 1 turbo? We are spoilt. Cant wait for whooshing noises!
probably 5 as there's a lot of fabrication 👍
Best channel on TH-cam !
Thanks George 👍
Part 2 - Here we come! Bring it!!
👍It's just an edit away.
best channel on youtbe at the momnet so much good content keep it up guys
Cheers. Will do 👍
your channel is extremelly underrated, so much good contente!
That Promodet exhaust system is a rare art piece, polish it once you're in there and give it some LOVE
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Your turbo game be strong 💪🏻 🐌
Another awesome video !!
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Driftwork videos are a savior in these quarantine time!! Love the continuity, thanks a lot! 👏
👍Thanks man!
What I love about this channel is when phil talk about doing something you know uncle craig can make it happen!
Haha, he's not doing much on this one I'm afraid.
When Jay comes around the corner with the turbo on his should I almost died!
Love it Phil- can’t wait for part 2 👍
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Wow ! That exhaust is a work of Art !
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Phil get your hands on a cheep boreoscope to look inside intercoolers etc, very hand tool and very cheep👍
We've got one 👍
Can’t wait for the first drive Phil, this is going to be so exciting!!
When does anything on cars take as long as you’re expecting? Answer - never!? Ha ha
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Are you going to use a turbo blanket or heat-shielding on the bumper - I'm thinking it'll be necessary!
It'll be protected yep 👍
Its funny how when your younger the louder and more over the top your car is the better,then you grow up to our age and the more minimalistic and clean your car is it's so much better. A well cleaned tastefully kept car stands out so much more. As for the turbo could there be a chance the person you purchased it off swapped it out before you brought it🤔
Always wanted the loudest and biggest cars. Now I drive a volvo d5 😂😂😂😂
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I saw the title and was so excited to watch this! You have an old ignorant brother over here stateside buddy. It's funny how we like to think things out as mature men, but there are certain things that we will do to show our inner pist off teenager. I don't know if anyone here would know, but if you are around aircooled porsche's enough you will know that is is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING to see a 965 turbo motor like yours that is so dry and not leaking with oil. Just goes to show how well that motor was built. Please keep up all your euro content as it is SOOOO GOOD! I'm here eating popcorn waiting brother!
Thanks man! Much appreciated 👍
@@driftworks Phil thinking about it now maybe there was some welding schlag from the tigs on the promodett pipe. Make sure Al purges the new pipe with some Argon so the inside welds are as clean as the outside. Don't want to suck up any crystals on that new EFR beast!
Thank you for keeping the content coming.
Great to have something interesting to watch in lockdown.
always loved the 964
No worries, thanks for watching 👍
Bigger isn’t always better 🤣🤣 love all of the uploads recently. Keep up the good work.
Cheers 😄
Looking good so far. I think that turbo will sound awesome. Can't wait for part 2
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I thought Jay was going to bring his turbo round on the forklift
He needed to. He nearly bust a ball bag picking it up.
The old Porsche 930 turbo's had some serious lag!
Will be very interesting to see how the latest turbo technology compares to the old!
Looking forward to your next video!
There is no comparison.I had a K27-7200 and thought that was the bee's knee's until we put on a Garrett Garrett gtx3584rs and holey shizzle sticks
Had I gone for a modern turbo of the same size it'd probably come on boost a thousand rpm eariler than stock. This will not 😄
@@driftworks I think you're right,but being how you have a true twin scroll i think you will be just fine.You might have to check into that waste gate like you were saying.I am thinking that turbo is going to kick u in the buttox pretty good.
That exhaust is what happens when you take a samurai sword maker and tell him to make headers. I hope they pass the craftsmanship onto the next generation. Also loving the shiny new turbo.
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I was just about to comment about the t51r mod for the turbo as you said it. Meant to make it sound like an old school turbo and just more “turboy”. Very popular in rx7 world so I’m sure you’ll have plenty of contacts just round the corner 😅
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I love the access you have to your turbo Phil! Before you started dismantling the car i thought this was going to be another one of those 911 nightmare jobs.
As for Jays turbo, it does look the size of 'my' 500bhp trucks!
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Anxiously awaiting the test drive video! Thanks
Love this car! Particularly like the moulded RWB over the riveted/screw styles. Would love to see it in the flesh someday!
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Does the turbo drain have it’s own sump/catch tank before that AN fitting goes off to the engine?
Blimey Phil, you could just polish that exhaust system and mount it on your living room wall as a piece of art couldn't you, great vid.👍🇬🇧
Yep, it's an amazingl bit of fabrication!
Really nice to see all the promodet fab work 😃
It's incredible! 😎
loved the turbo lag on the old Audi 2.2 20v coupe, like engaging warp drive, not my car, I used to work in a bodyshop and put the cars away on the night, that was one hell of a car!! i understand why having that rush is additive :-)
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The damage to the turbo is remarkable! Definitely interested to see if you determine a cause/any repercussions, but maybe if the engine seems ok then the less said about it the better...
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Phil every morning : "Well, let's see how i can complicate my life today" 😂 Man you're a serial "mind blowing" ideas thinker 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻
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Definitely curious on how that will change the boost characteristics. If you drive it on the street more than a track, personally I'd rather have a smaller turbo for quicker boost (600+ HP just seems crazy). Also - what is the history on the engine? I've researched rebuild projects of these engines and they appear quite laborious. But, seeing that compressor wheel is scary! I, too am curious on what it sucked up, and where it ended.
It's been so laggy for so long & I've still enjoyed it. Now it'll probably come on boost harder, earlier & make a load more power hopefully.
But I want a part 2 nowwwww :( - All Good. Awesome work as always Phil. Love seeing a hammer to a Porsche while old man LS goes on about his 60s tractor turbo.
Coming soon! 👍
Not tempted to remove that magical looking manifold and give it some ceramic treatment to control the heat and keep it looking nicer?
Nah. One of the wonders of a 911 is it doesn't need it. I'd like to get it polished though at some point.
This is the only RWB i like, probably because it does not have that hacky bolt on look. Gorgeous car!
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You're not old, mate. Age is a number. It's how you feel. Cheers
It's how you act 😄
These Dutch electronic turbos are all about the sneaky turbocharged set up torque amp are the proper ones and then you being your good self probably would get it free for sharing this on your channel bro
Thanks for the info.
God damn .... I need to see that rip, nice one Phil 💥
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Lag and noise is a must on a 964! Mint
For sure! Hopefully with a brutal deadly punch thrown in for good measure.
Also I cannot wait to see that beast in action with the new turbskie boosting
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There's something missing from this video, ...."Craig, can you just? ".....
Plenty in the next one, don't worry 😄
It turned up and looked weak😂 please never change
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Yep - I still want to do a photoshoot with this car...
😄Unfortunately there's a big old list of people that have asked. It's best to just catch it at one of the shows it ends up at if we're ever allowed out again. 👍
That is a beast of a turbo class
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Giant Pretzel under the car, looks crazy.
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Blimey.....that’s a TURBO! 💪
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Will you be water cooling that turbo? Obviously not a simple task on an air cooled engine but modern ball bearing turbos really do need to be cooled. Great work getting it to fit regardless
No, EFR's are fine without. It's just recommended.
Beautiful exhaust, that car is truly great. I wonder if you could add to its greatness ? Maybe a fully custom carbon fiber dash?
Thanks. Nah, the interior is absolutely mint. I do need to revamp the clocks though.
Phil logic. The small one isn’t manly enough so I bought a larger one that doesn’t fit 😂
😄Eloquently put my good man!
Are you going to put it on the dyno when completed?? Love the old school lag feeling..............
Yeah, it'll need mapping 👍
That porsche must have some luck to avoid major damage with a turbo in that state, and then to have an owner willing throw a beast like that new borgwarner on to make it up to the car.
Cullen Cowap If Phill already knew that the turbo was f*cked, I dont understand why he was driving the car in the previous video. I mean, it’s not worth it that the turbo completely explodes and take down engine.. right?
Still, great content 👍🏻
If debris was going to hit the engine & cause damage it would have done it a long time ago 👍
Promodet exhaust system......a piece of art
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Damn! the damage to the old turbo is worse than when I left an air filter housing bolt in the intake of my 944 Turbo! It looked like the intake had been metal flaked when I took it to bits to investigate lol
Haha that's impressive Ross! 😄
Hell yes EFR power 🙏🙏
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What a blower, Jeeez! The 964 will be NASA certified and ready for orbiting Mother Earth ;-)
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Weld the anti surge. Make it sound like an Antichrist . It technically would be period correct haha :)
That was my original plan 😎
I really like your logical thinking about the turbo size #canrelate
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Who needs fancy tools when you’ve got a brummie with a hammer!
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Just cut a wedge out of the collector and re weld it .
And get a turbo blanket and get the exhaust housing zirconium Coated .
That was a consideration if required. Not necessary though as you'll see at the end. 👍
I like big boost and I cannot lie...
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I'm guessing that the turbo problem occurred, obstruction was removed along with the bits of broken turbo. They then fitted the same turbo back on the car as it was going to be sold.
Possibly.
That new EFR has provisions for water for cooling as well. Is it safe to run without that? Air cooled Porsche obviously doesn't have water cooling system for you to tap into so I am curious.
Yeah that's part of the reason I went for the EFR over the weaker Garret stuff.
Just the leave speed sensor port open and you will get the t51r noises 😁
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i wish i lived there so i could work for phil and hangout with him.
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Can you not move the clamp round on the compressor to gain clearance?
Yep, done.
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Sure i have seen in merica that these turbo's need a big oil drain or they will burn some oil, don't know if that's a scavenge system but the input looked a bit restrictive, might be worth looking at although i imagine its already running. should be really cool when its done.
Yeah should be good with the scavenge tank 👍
Isn’t that anti surge groove where the BOV recirculating air goes back into the turbo? Pretty sure it is
The BOV is getting blocked off anyway, so if it is no worries.
What a piece of Engiering
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I would have thought it would be more interesting to put on the most modern/advanced same dimensions turbo and see how much before is gained all around.
Interesting/boring.
Yeah that's like a sort of RnD experiment that the manufacturer could do/sponsor but pointless for an owner at the end if they want more flow generally.
Dammm that's massive 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
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Any thoughts about using electric hybrid turbos on build like this? if money was no problem, would it give more problems than help on the long run
I wish I was spending my quarantine fitting a turbo the size of my head to a 150k RWB Porsche
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I would reclock the T4 flange, will make life easier in the long run - could you add two V-bands instead of the twin bolt flanges?
Doesn't need it. See the end of the vid 👍
Ohhh been waiting for this... commenting while the adds are on lol
Haha, thanks Ross!
Surely the new larger turbo should muffle the exhaust drone a little more than the old one too
It doesn't really work like that.
Does Jay do the mixing of the music for the videos or is it all you?
I do all the editing 👍
I like the 964 Turbeeeee. Buzz buzz
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How can this happen to a turbo? Maybe cavitation? Awesome content as always
ever wonder where your 10mm socket went?
Almost certainly something got in there.
If you start up the 964 and have notice no boost.... check Jay hasn’t taken your turbo for his LS mustang build 😇
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Surely you'll need changes to the exhaust manifold collector to take into account the firing order for twin scroll to work properly?
It'll be okay. The difference with twin scroll/single is negligible anyway.
@@driftworks more noticeable difference on a 4 cylinder than a 6, but for the extra work, potentially 50lbs/ft more @ 500 rpm less on that set up I'd guess.
There's no way it'd make 50 ft/lbs more thorough being twin scroll. I'd be amazed if it made 10.
@@driftworks Mark Shead at MA Developments has been having fantastic results from this range of turbos on Cosworth YB and EVO engines, so only 2 litre and 4 cylinder I know, but, with the 7064 internally gated with his twin scroll manifold and just an improved inlet plenum, the otherwise stock YB ( no cams, no headwork ) is making 460 - 470 hp with fantastic drivability.
He's done lots of back to back testing and again on the YB comparing a Garrett GTX3071 with the BW7064 ( I don't know the complete engine spec tested ) the BW made 335 lbs/ft more than the GTX at 3800 rpms!
He says the gains are 50% turbo and 50% manifold.
He claims they can run lower boost, so less heat and an easier time for the intercooler.
NYC in the building
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Phil that material that you have cutting away to make room for the turbo, can it not be replaced with something that's less likely to melt and provide better heat shielding.
It's metal it's not going to melt 👍
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that'll shovel some air!
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Possibly the most fragile place for that turbo, this car should come with its own social distancing number plate, but man what a car 👍
It's where they all are on big power 911s 👍
What about heat shielding? 18:30ish. I am not a turbo owner of any sort, but I know they put out heat. Was curious if you'll add to the block side of turbo between block and unit.
I may do a bit. It's a metal cover so will likely be fine.
Is your engine still running the k-jetronic or motronic injection system ? A few 17 years ago we do a twin T28 turbo conversion on a flatnose Porsche, I feel your pain with the complications involved, we ended up drilling out the k fuel injectors and put a stand alone Ecu and common rail injection system on in the end and oil return to the sump was a mission to work out
It's EFI on a Motec M4 👍
Driftworks even better , going to look at 800 hp with that new turbo if you feel like it
I'm thinking 650 will do.
Is there any car in the world that Phil won't cut bits off? hahaha
He's "adding lightness" ;)
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