GT3 Carbon Ceramic brakes on my RWB 964 Turbo Porsche 911?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ค. 2020
- Will GT3 PCCB carbon-ceramic brakes fit my 964 Turbo? Well, we won't know that until later, but for now I can at least see if my wheels will fit over them. So Al brings his 996GT3 into work so I can try my wheels on it. His 996.2 GT3 originally had PCCB brakes & he's converted to steel discs.
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I can't believe I just watched 28 minutes of Phil changing two wheels lol!
And chatting sheeeet with Alan 😄
Finally giving the people the content they deserve. :D
And boy was it great 🙊👌👌
"Wheels are gettin a bit dusty. Better throw em out for some carbon jobbies."
Seems reasonable.
I love this channel lol
I do of course fully appreciate it's ridiculously extravagant 😂
@@driftworks we all would if we could. Keep it up haha
@@driftworks "Rough World Problems" 😂
I chuckled at how gingerly Phil removed and mounted the wheels on Al's car. That shows respect for another enthusiast's pride and joy.
Yeah, even though the chip prone discs are gone
@@timburton1080 he did say calipers
I hate working on other peoples cars.
Know the driftworks brand years. Only found the TH-cam channel recently. Been hooked since. Unreal content 👌
Cheers Chris & welcome to the channel 👍
Other way round for me! 🥴
Chuckling away when you talk about old cars! Loved the track videos and the sounds of that 996 😍
🤘Thanks man!
I love Al's gt3 and i love even more that he actually puts miles on it.
Yep, although he's done less since he got all fancy with E88s and corrected paintwork. Oh and since buying an awesome NSX too!
Not driving you car is like not shagging your wife to keep her tight for her next fella 🤷♂️🤣
That's how you do with GT3
Haha I did correct the paint but immediately f**ked it on a 2500-mile road trip across Europe. Ahhhhhhh
Love Al, hes such a sound guy. We definitely need more of him and his NSX
Yeah we need to do an episode on the NSX for sure.
Can’t wait to see the carbon ceramics going on great content thanks for keeping me sane through the lockdown
No problem 👍
What a Cool guy Al is .. (imo the 325i E30 2.7 and cam mod using a good sports exhaust system is also one the best sounding car made)
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"I can stop anytime I like" ==> Phils bank account 😭😭😭
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Great watch as always chaps. Love living through your ruinous purchases Phil.
Thanks man 😄
Seeing those track clips reminded me... Awesomefest 2 would be amazing! 😁 I loved Al's video of the first one. Any chance of it happening again?
None at the moment unfortunately.
Enjoyable video...more Al please :) Brings me to miss the days at Hotel Burgstube's bar
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"This is Al, he works in the office upstairs." - (stares at screen...) You mean on the roof???
We have two buildings. The one we're in is for wasting money, the one next door is for making money.
Driftworks that’s where I’m going wrong, I only have a wasting money room!
@@driftworks - Lol! It's called "humour", guys!
Mark Chippendale “thanks” , Mark!
Great episode. That GT3 is 👌
👍Thanks man!
Aye, Al can pedal alright! Overtook me in full drift mode in thisGT3 at the ring closely followed by Bon in the 996tt again in full drift mode😳 At that point I probably shoulda packed up and gone home😂
Can’t wait for the vid following the PCCB purchase 👍
Haha, should have just tagged on the end of the drift train 😄
Driftworks I was on about my 4th ever lap 😳 DN10
wheel weights could become a clearance issue with the caliper part that the pad retaining pin goes through in future, especially when tyres are changed and need rebalancing. I learned this the hard way with a BBK haha
Yeah, I've been there too!
Oh man I love that black 996 GT3 - I noticed the Manthey Racing sticker on the rear side window, please can you tell us more about the spec?
It's quite a simple setup (that works really well) Manthey KW V3 & alignment & it's on Cup2 tyres.
@@driftworks Thank you very much, Manthey racing built an ultimate spec 996 gt3 for a customer approved by porsche it was 4.2l monster th-cam.com/video/rSJLKN04tc4/w-d-xo.html . I love the work you have done on your 964 Turbo and adore the Riviera 997 GT3 you have.
Mr. Al is a BALLER to run Magnesium E88's on track days/hoon days! My dream wheels...and dream cars all in one video. So GOOD! Only you Phil can mod a perfectly modded car and make it better. PCCB on a RW porsche??? This is may be the most capable track RW in existence. I feel you about the dust though, I had polishied lips on my BBS LM's and I was cleaning them after every drive. With the clear coat gone I had to be obsessive. Truly annoying and I was nervous that if I didn't clean it the lips would just corrode. I like Al's commentary with you its what car guys want to listen in on. Were you trying to pass Al on that track day? 996 GT3 and driver mod is definitely a slept on setup these days with the 997's and 991's so effortlessly capable.
They are aluminium. I'm not sure you can still get the magnesium ones. Thanks man.
@@driftworks Didn't know this...wow that makes the magnesiums worth mad $$$$. Good to know thanks!
One of my favourite 'porsches can't drift' videos is the one of Bon ripping an absolute steamer out of luffield in his spicy turbo. Always a pleasure (and never a surprise) to see him with his foot down...
Yeah, I'm sure I'll find an excuse to put that in a future vid somewhere 😎
Can you do an episode on every car you currently own? Little update on each where they’re at, plans for them, favourites... just an idea for a cool video 👍
I was thinking I'm probably over due one of these.
Love the look of those E88 on the 996!
They are so nice!
You not getting carried away has kept me entertained for years 😂😂
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Whats with the weird spots (looks like... small indents?) on the rotor surface? Warped? Or is that wear pattern nomal for massive ventilated discs?
On my discs? It's where the grooves used to be. In about 2000 miles road use they've been eaten by the horrible pads.
Sorry if I’ve missed it but Are you going to have to change the complete hub assembly as the the gt3 calipers are mounted behind the axle and the turbo calipers are mounted in front of the axel.
We'll see. I haven't got that far 😄. Making adapters shouldn't be too difficult & it should be possible to swap the link pipe & bleed nipples around if the leading pistons in the calipers are different sizes.
Could you use some pegs (whats ever they are called) to locate/slide the wheels back on and off if you don't have studs, especially useful when working with ceramic discs so you can slide the wheels off without dropping them onto the disc and cracking them ;0)
He needs a stud conversion. I already have a stud conversion on mine. I do it on most of my cars, I hate wheelbolts.
Set for all your videos to come up on my notifications and watch them all you and jay are brilliant to watch. Ps when will your black hat with small dw in orange be back in stock i need one 🙈
I know I need one too! I'll kick Starkey as I'm pretty sure he thinks no-one wants the small logo hats. I love them.
@@driftworks yeah the small logo looks awsome
These are the best conversations :)
Makes me want to upgrade my stock 996 C2 brakes as well. Besides my driving skills, they are the weakest part of the car. Rock solid pedal and not enough braking performance when chasing more modern cars.
Thanks man! Yeah, that doesn't sound ideal!
Pirelli P ZERO™ CORSA SYSTEM combines directional (front axle fitment) and asymmetric (rear axle fitment or all-round application) , might be worth looking into
Thanks! I didn't know that's what Corsa System was!
I hope you managed to get the brakes, I'm looking forward to part two now. 👍
Cheers 👍
I just subscribed. Really enjoying the content in America👍🏾
Thanks Nate, welcome to the channel 👍
That might be smart (but who am I to say that!) to try a couple of new pads first. I've got very little dust with my EBC pads on stock discs, for instance
I know there are low dust pads. But they are generally lethal when driving fast or on track and I'm not after low dust, I'm after no dust 👍
@@driftworks The EBC redstuff or yellowstuff will stand heavy use but yeah, no dust is even better.
Phil those calipers would look awesome on your 964. I know it's not the reason you changing em. But just saying. Also have you looked into ceramic coating or waxing the wheels? I'm not expect but I've heard that they stay clean after ceramic coating.
Thanks. Yeah I've done all of that multiple times. They are currently coated in two coats of Carbon Collective ceramic wheel seal.
Could you do a weight comparison if/when you get the carbons?
Yeah I'm sure I'll do that 👍
"oh it's you" and "you've spoiled it for everyone", sayings that have rung in my ears my whole life.
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" and try not to get TOO carried away" "Well- that's not happening". LMAO. Again. Love it. Nothing like mates to keep it real. Awesome
Haha 😄
Is it uncommon for cars to lift both sides at once with the rear jacking point? Most of my cars have done that. My old 2003 JDM WRX struggled but managed, The old VX220 definitely did it (Lotus chassis yo!) and the GT86 does it really well although i'm pretty sure they're pretty stiff chassis themselves.
It's not that specifically, it's how rigid it is 👍
@@driftworks ah fair enough, a good rigid chassis goes a long way! My little Vx220 was a weapon on track, great fun but an expensive hobby when you don't do them very often.
for so far as i know these brakes you want to get for the porsche will not be a difficult thing to fit on your porsche.
its only the cost for the whole set , it is a pretty penny you might say.
still it would be a fantastic. it is like vw.
if you puzzle it good out it has to work.
can wait for the next video .
👍fitting them is the next part of the puzzle.
Brembo makes carbon ceramic replacement rotor rings & pads for the race kits - its very likely the replacements exist for what you have; call them and they can probably get you sorted for less than a used gt3 ceramic kit and then you wont end up having to use painted calipers that come with dust boots... best of luck!
I did think about going that way, but the brakes are currently so biased I'd really like to get a properly balanced front and rear setup without having to have a bias valve. The front's lock up really hard currently.
is the gt3 setuped by Manthey racing, saw a sticker on the car?
Yeah it's on Manthey KW V3 and Al had it all setup by them a couple of years ago. The car is ridiculously quick for a relatively simple recipe.
Skip the last lap is the law! car or bike ha ha!
Love the early gt3 , sound ace.
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The 996 Gt3 is aging gracefully. Lovely looking car on the e88 wheels.
Indeed, it's never been the looker with those headlights, but the have grown on me too.
Gonna enjoy this
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From mountain biking , snowboarding , driving and riding motorbikes , if there's one thing I've learned, you never utter the words "last run" it's bad Juju! 😂😂😂
Yep... Bad Juju!
Yes, Al behind the camera again haha. Bring back Al! 👌
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Do it! I put PCCB on my e60 m5 and had them on my GT3 👍
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If the new tyres are a step back would cutting one more groove in them help?
That's not something you do on a road tyre. It would be the wrong way to go anyway, it seems the grooves on the supersport may be a big part of the issue.
Driftworks 👍 makes more sense
Hi Al nice to see you the other side of the camera for a change.
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Very neat!
Thanks! 👍
You should consider widening the front track by swapping to 993 front subframes. Should help handling issues.
I didn't know the 993 frame was wider. Which parts make it wider? The frame itself or the front lower arms?
@@driftworks The castings each side that the lower arms mount to make them wider. You might be able tell by looking at this 282354356972 on eBay. Look how much the tabs that the arms mount to stick out compare to yours. Otherwise identical.
Interesting, so what other parts would be needed to convert it to wide track using these?
You might have to extend the track rod if you run out of adjustment. Otherwise no other parts.
Al needs one or two of the wheel alignment studs if he isn’t putting a stud kit on his GT3, makes fitting wheels and not damaging the discs a breeze 👍
He needs to stud convert it really. It's so much better!
Where did you get the plastic car covers? Would like some for my car in the shed to keep the dust off.
It's just 3m sheet you buy in a roll.
Driftworks Great, thank you for the reply
" Good ol' Ash...What a legend". LMFAO
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outsiders is how i found your page years ago. ive watched a bunch of times too lol
so much love for the boso dudes.
Outsiders is what hooked me up on drifting pretty much
🤘One of the best things we've ever done! 😎
If we could collectively persuade Al to sell me his GT3 that would be great. I’ve failed miserably to convince him so far.
Haha, I doubt that car will ever go anywhere.
MINE
Im able to jack up my E46 330i Touring the same way 😅 KW V3s + H&R Swaybars ❤
Nice! 😎
My EP3 and FK2 Type R's do that stock 😆 Surprised myself!
Have the same superstition with the 'one last go', if I ever catch myself or any friends saying it, that's it. Time to stop and go home 😂
😄Yep, pack your stuff! We're going! 😂
“Chundered EVERYWHEREEEE!” 🤣
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Al Car handles amazing well and is a hoot to drive.
It really does! Plus he's handy behind the wheel too!
Driftworks that is also very true Alan is a very talented driver. I wonder when he will let me drive it again.
The following suggestion is a BIG job -- but pull the wheels apart (HA - that and re-assembly is the BIG job component) and clear anodise the shiny outer sections. On one of my older 930's (HA - back when 17" BBS rims were MONSTERS) - the outer barrel was put in the lathe and I used a fine Scotch-Brite pad to impart a brushed type finish - voila - HA - no more polishing and in my opinion - I preferred it to the high shine like finish (HA - I am an 'anti chrome - anti polish' person = I do NOT like shiny stuff). Being that you guys do a lot of project type work - setting up your own anodising system could be very handy - especially with your DAMN salted roads. I have also used clear anodising on aluminium spoked motorcycle rims on some HD engined projects - EXCELLENT virtual maintenance-free outcome (HA - that is PERFECT for me as I am a 'set & forget' type person = make it PERFECT - then USE it EVERY DAY without any concerns - HA - or polishing). Once anodised or brushed - all I use is the pressure washer every now and again at the local carwash = NO polishing = NO problems = MORE high speed and LOUD driving//riiding time - HA. Have a nice day all. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.
I'd rather just not have the dust in the first place 👍
True - HA - but the anodosing//brushed is perfect for a somewhat lazy perfectionist as I am. HA - and helps saves aluminium rims when the dam dogs piss on the wheels - HA. Stay safe - have a nice day
Alan seems like a top guy!
He certainly is!
i recently had to deal with a brake dust issue on my vantage. the OEM pads are Pagids and the amount of brake dust they created in a very short time was unacceptable to me. i suppose it was a consequence of their performance oriented nature. anyway, i don't need nor want performance oriented brake pads so i bought and installed some everyday type, mundane brake pads that now create very little brake dust and am thoroughly satisfied. a bonus is that they cost next to nothing compared to the Pagids.
Yeah there are definitely lower dust pads out there. I've not had good experience with them though. They don't support 'spirited driving' well.
@@driftworks understood. :)
Where can I buy ceramic discs for Porsche 911 ? I'm from Brazil, thanks
I just gathered the bits through Ebay. It is a bit risky buying used CCB though as they are easy to damage and hard to to see if they are worn out sometimes.
When’s the next episode of Al eats. Haven’t seen another one since train squid on the outsiders haha
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The answer seems entirely straightforward -
You need a pad that releases less dust - go on the forums of various performance marques and research "low dust pads".
For the likely consequence of reduced braking force - just upgrade to a bigger set of rotors (and matching calipers) from a quality brand that will fit inside the wheels.
Now, I will watch the rest of the video to see how you chose to fix this issue...
Low dust pads are generally super dangerous for spirited driving in my experience. I very nearly wrote a car off using EBC Green Stuff pads.
@@driftworks - Those aren't the only low-dust pads, btw. Some are not even marketed as such.
is there any setup info on the GT3?
It's on Manthey KW V3 with Manthey alignment. That's about as much detail as I know.
Funny. Ash never mentions about his chunderthon 😄
He's a professional driver now. He has to watch his rep 😄
When can we have a look at the CSL??? And any other treasure hid underneath polythene??
I need to get around to it. Generally the videos are about doing stuff to cars, and it doesn't need a great deal doing. There has been another addition just yesterday actually. Vid soon if the footage is any good.
Driftworks Cool , German? Oh one other thing I’m curious about if you were going to buy a 991.2 gt3 would it be manual or pdk?
Yeah I bought my old 997.2 GT3 back.. love manual and PDK, but if I get my 992 GT3 allocation it'll be PDK.
Driftworks You have a pretty new Macan so hopefully you,l be ok.
The attention to detail in putting on some wheels, that's all that should be needed to say here.
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When ur 4/5 thru the day and 100% fine... pack up haha 👌🤣😂
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I have to ask but why do keep using parts descriptions like the septics? where in England
? I don't understand the first question. Where in England = Birmingham.
@@driftworks (septics)=Americans knuckle is hub carrier, header is manifold
@@foxx1111 I agree driftworks should have more subs but do the Americans change there description of words so the brits can understand? No they dont so I dont see why we should
Phil, it's weird to see you're running negative caster.
It's not negative 👍The shock is angled that way, but the pivot points are all that matters. Draw a line from the lower ball joint to the top mount ball joint & it's positive. The car has 4.5* positive castor.
Hey Phil loving the videos you checked out savage garages new build?
Thanks. A couple of people have shown me his Murcie plans yeah.
Phil have you tried speaking to Dan at Wheel_unique for the lips for the ACS's?
I've got it sorted now. Cheers 👍
Part two....How i sold my house to fund the new brakes 😂
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You have 2 BMW track cars + CSL double duty, Porsche double duty (and a 991 GT according to this video?), Lamborghini GT car. Pursuing mastery with one car on track would be so much more cost effective than running 6 track cars. I guess when you have these types of vehicles that won't depreciate it's a completely different calculation.
I only have one track car: The E30 M3. The others are road cars ,a couple of which happen to possibly be pretty decent on track 👍
Class 911
Thanks!
12:00 now that's a good time in a car.
Such a good car!
That silverstone one. I can’t blame you for that. the car was asking for it.
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The disc is really worn out, where are the grooves?! :)
They were eaten. I was so shocked when I noticed they'd gone.
17:06 Phil's smile when he said "I can do 10 mm!" 😁
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Done the one last lap before on my bike when my mate gave me some more petrol, snapped my leg in half 😂
😬Damn!
Ouch 😣
What is the size for front and rear GT3 rotors?
996 & 997 is 350mm front and rear. Front are 34mm thick and rears are 28mm.
@@driftworks Why don't you want to install 380 Brembos? As did some research for my 964 wb or 993 tt The FVD told me they will fit if I have BBS Le mans.
I want to use a carbon ceramic kit & these are 350mm. 380 would be very tight I reckon.
As much tracking as he does with that GT3 I'm surprised he didn't do a wheel stud conversion
He doesn't have to do much taking wheels off. He should do it though. It makes life so much easier.
That remind me Outsiders 2 when?
(Its half joke half true question lol)
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We all need Outsiders 2 :D
Yes!
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Are you selling the front caliper???
I will be selling them if this works out yes.
@@driftworks Let me know; looking for a set of 4 pot calipers. I had 986 4 pot ones that I sold (should have never sell them) so looking for another set
Cloth gt3 seats are the coolest.
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People: porsche’s can’t drift
Phill: Hold my beer
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Yess
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Phil, give Richard @ ClubAutosport a shout......he'll be able to source you some
Thanks John.
Unsprung weight can only be your friend 👍🏻
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With you on the GT3’s having the best sound track of any standard car, period.
It just immediately sings 'racecar' My Kline inconnel exhaust on the white 991 was next level. Once of the best noises I've ever heard.
@@driftworks so I'm rocking a back box delete on a 991, but so much more in there?
You can hear a little bit of it in the video at 12:20 th-cam.com/video/T2DsnIFMQQU/w-d-xo.html
I was surprised how there was nothing between the cars on track.
The 991 is faster. Or was, as this was before Al did had Manthey sort the car. I'm just not as quick as Al. He's a very good track driver.
" If your car is in the same shape as when you started- Stop". How true.
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You know your cars wide when front wheels get mistaken for rears 😂
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love the sideway scene of the 991. He tried to drive an a responsible manner, then the car got slightly sideways accidently. Next reaction: f*ck it, go fully sideways.
🤘Thanks man.
It's toight.... Toight like a tiger
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Go with narrow front tyres and it's going to be 100 times better.
There's a good chance!
“You’ve got a GT1 coming for that”... I’m sorry what now?! 😳😮
The Lambo
My GT1 inspired Murcielago project 👍
Driftworks Ah yeah of course 👍🏻