I love how Palpatine's voice slowly morphs into his Sidious voice by the end as he finally claims his throne as THE Sith Lord. Props to the guy playing him. He may not be Ian McDiarmid himself, but he puts his own delightful spin on it.
If you killed someone like your master that’s has all the death side energy. That power goes to you meaning . This if death Vader sidous he be 10 times more powerful
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@@benjaminhopley3045 I don't think that's the case. You just are smarter because you outsmarted your master and hopefully have their secrets. If that really was the case, they would have easily have defeated the Jedi. The Sith Master/Apprentice structure is learning and pushing each other as the master has to make sure he stays unattainable to be defeated by the student while also training him to do so. Sidious cheated Vader of this after Vader lost to Obi, tried to find new apprentices against him, and challenged him to get out of his depression and turn it more into anger.
True...Bitterness is for the shallow minded.. Even Plagueis master, Darth Tenebrous died happily when he realize that his apprentice orchestrated his death....
@@eliminator1472 Angry??? Plan??? those are puny reasons because Apprentices are always meant to kill their masters once they grew more powerful.. That is why Darth Bane created the Rule of Two so that the Sith can turn the inevitable into their advantage "It is inevitable, it is the way of the Darkside" -Darth Bane
Now reading this comment again. I don't know. I think he would have lost his thought of mind soon after he realized he wasn't gonna live. He was most likely in a state of panic and rage.
Absolutely. And the narrator, Daniel Davis, is brilliant. He is the actor who played Professor Moriarty in 2 episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation.
Yea til filoni makes an animated series on it and completely retcons it I love filoni and everything he makes but I specifically bought ahsoka because she’s his child and for him to completely negate her story like that in a 15 min section cartoon made me understand to never buy a “canon” novel again
As Palpatine said: "ironic". That a powerful Sith master like Plagueis would die like this. Half-drunk and asleep, an easy target for his ambitious apprentice.
It's also ironic that Palpatine himself would die in pretty similar fashion. So "drunk" on the power of the Dark Side while he was torturing Luke that he couldn't sense Anakin's betrayal coming.
Palpatine saying “I could fix you, heal your broken body, torn mind, but I won’t.” He could fix Anakin if he wanted to, maybe even heal him damn near 100%. But we all know that his suit wasn’t designed to heal him, but to make his suffering worse, pain worse, everything. Sith operate like that but damn, he is so brutal.
Palpatine was so sinister towards the end of this awesome novel This is why Star Wars Legends will always be the true Star Wars canon to me because its stories like this that make Star Wars so awesome
"Teacher yes, and for that I will be eternally grateful. But Master?!...NEVER!!!" that line always stuck with me from the first time I heard this story.
I like that this book, in explaining Sidious' origin, didn't make have him corrupted by Plaguies...only unleashed. He is Pure Evil and never needed to fall. He just needed a little guidance.
I absolutely LOVED Palpatine's arc and character portrayal in this book. Luceno actually _did_ humanize Palpatine, even added a touch of tragedy to his character (he was basically born to be a monster), but did it in a way that did NOT make him sympathetic.
This explains how Sidious was truly manipulative and basically used Plagueis right from the start. It also explains how he needed his master and needed to learn from his master like literally, right from the start in order to over throw him. I just love it. He also explains the truth of how the Sith gain power and then overthrow their masters when the plan is complete.
@@jackqtvsstuff715 For awhile, it _did_ seem like Sidious wanted to execute Plagueis' plan so they could achieve immortality and rule the galaxy together. To me, that's one of the most interesting things about the Plagueis novel. You see Palpatine's beliefs change over time.
“I needed to learn from you. No more. No less. To learn all of your secrets, which I trusted you would eventually reveal. But what made you think I would need you after that? Vanity perhaps? Your sense of self importance?? You’ve been nothing more than a pawn, in a game played……by a genuine master”. Chills Man. If only THIS type of dialog ever made it to live action. We only see the surface level of Palpatine’s brilliance in the films. The man is a calculating mastermind.
I always pictured that Sidious just quickly stabbed Plagueis in his sleep with his lightsaber, but props to Plagueis for holding his breath for Palpy’s 8 minute soliloquy.
Except Darth Sidious threw out the rule of two, after "winning" the war, and tried to make himself immortal - thereby dooming the sith in the end. For better or worse.
@@131313chemistry Except, even before taking Sidious in the fold , Plaguies himself indicated that the main purpose of the rule was no longer applicable. It's ancillary purpose of course, that of preventing infighting by limiting the number of Dark Lords to two is still valid.
No, Bane wanted the apprentice to challenge the master flat out strength to strength. That's why he went for the holocron of Darth Andedu, he was afraid that Zannah would just wait until he was to old to fight back. Bane would consider Plagueis weak, yes. He would also hate Sidious for cheating and possibly being the weaker Sith.
@@darthbane3937 Yet Bane deemed patience and cunning to be the best tools for a Sith. he's behavior with Zannah is contradictory he already knew she was stronger than him in the force.
@@blackeagle041 Strength in the Force does not mean you could win. If Palps was an idiot, it wouldn't matter how strong he was. Now if she prepared some trap on the battlefield and held back a skill until the right moment, that is cunning. Bane wanted the title wrenched away from the master in battle. Yes, that is flawed because as the Plagueis novel flat out says, most Sith weren't willing to lay down and die in battle then train another so they could do the same. He lambasted Kaan for thinking of the greater good but Bane was almost Jedi, wanting to die if he was to weak. In a way I can see why. Marshal skills are still important. Sidious was one of the best with the lightsaber and Force but how much better could he have been with years of combat experience or at least the satisfaction of killing Plagueis in a fight. Think about it. Sidious's first battle with a Jedi master was with Windu and the gang. Maybe unrecorded, he dispatched a knight or 2 but not much more than that. Maul was powerful but not as much as Sidious. As Rex said to Ahsoka experience outranks everything. In the political arena, Palps is a grand master but in a fight, master at best. Other Jedi don't have the chance to regularly fight with Force users either like in the Sith Wars. In that way, they are all somewhat novice with Sidious's power and interlect seeing him through. If he'd fought in the Force wars, he would've been even more powerful.
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Truly, one of the greatest Expanded Universe books ever written. James Luceno did an outstanding job with this book. Much better writing than anything Disney made, in my opinion at least.
0:01 To me, this just confirms Kreia's philosophy. The Force is not an ally, nor a tool or beast which can be broken to one's will. It betrays Plagueis. It betrays the Jedi. And later, it betrays even Palpatine himself.
As Kenobi would say, that is a short-sighted point of view. If we give up our morals, even for victory, we may risk losing what is most precious, our honor. The Jedi lost their honor, and thus the allegiance of the force, because they were no longer Jedi. Palpatine could have won in the end, but only if he "zapped" Vader before Luke. As for Plagueis, well, he either intended for Sidious to destroy him or lost his way with the dark side, as many Sith Masters do.
@@dustinrowley7665 I think the force will submit to luke tho because luke is not trapped by the dogma of the jedi nor the insanity of the sith. He threw himself at his father's and the force's mercy and trusted it. Disney seems to keen to rewrite that but screw them.. there Satanist/sith phycophants. Luke possibly the strongest force user ever. Probably could of beaten Sidious at both their peaks.
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Yes! The dark side, the light…they’re just self reflected manifestations of a more unified, ubiquitous and indifferent constant! The force has no allegiances or sides or preferences. It is anything and EVERYTHING there is.
Sidious: *In a sadistic way slowly kills and humiliating him physically and mentally*. Plagueis in his mind: "just shut the fuck up and let me die in peace".
@@rippingtons60 It didn’t affect it. Tarkin takes place between the two trilogies before they had done much in that time frame. There was only one season of Rebels at that point.
@@nathanstice8456 I think he would've found a way to kill Anakin Skywalker. He would probably use Dooku to carry out the final stages of the grand plan. He would have the droids and clones turn on the Jedi, and make it seem like the Jedi are the true threat to peace in the galaxy. He could then install Dooku as his puppet emperor. He would then use his vast wealth to develop a planet-killing weapon. I think he would be much more cautious than Sidious. He would only reveal the weapon when his power was truly threatened. Plageuis would essentially be an immortal dark lord ruling from the shadows, similar to vitiate. I suppose the force would find a way to return balance to the force by creating another being with an extremely high midiclorian count.
This scene perfectly shows the Rule of Two - ironicly... the Apprentice, having grown powerful enough is settling his accounts with the Master... Even better it shows how Darth Sidious has taken the mantle from his Master... and enjoying every single moment of it... I absolutely love the metaphor how the "Dark Side whispers" to them... And yes, the entire speech is totally Palpatine a.k.a. Darth Sidious - smooth, philosophical and powerful... absolutely LOVE this... this Novel is probably the best EVER Legends novel... second only to the Darth Bane Trilogy.
@@sulljoh1 But you’re reading a novel so why wouldn’t you want a man in-depth, masterful prose scene? Anyway, Palpatine didn’t say he killed him in his sleep.
@@wesrm1 I like the novel and admire James Luceno as a writer. I read many of his books! But this book screws up too many plot points from the movies. Palpatine DID say that his master was killed in his sleep. Yoda did say there were only two sith. Etc. James could have worked harder to make a story that didn't disrupt existing concepts IMHO.
nope, lucas kinda hated the EU. what THIS proves is that a lack of lucas is not the reason the new stuff fails. it's trying too hard to BE lucas's star wars.
He took inspiration from the EU and obviously vice versa, but you can't say it was "Lucas' Star Wars", he didn't write most of those books and had nothing to do with the storyline, even if he knew abt some of the content. He was very involved w the clone wars stuff during the prequels, but all the old Grandmaster Luke era stuff had almost nothing to do with George Lucas
@@pathevermore3683 You mean that he disagreed with Luke getting Married as a Jedi, and having a family? Lol, your implication is too hyperbolic when compared to the reality.
This entire bit of the book gave me chills to the core, and Imperial pride! Even now listening again, it is still chilling, fascinating and brilliantly written
Since they've been canonizing a whole roster of stuff from Legends that essentially are copy-pasted from there, they might as well consider this book 100% canon since, as far as I'm aware, it doesn't contradict anything they've made canon. They haven't even made any canon stories about Sidious' past.
@@an-animal-lover Tales of the Jedi style adaptation called Tales of the Sith, but 20+ minute episodes. One arc would focus on the young Palpatine and his rise to power from his young days on Naboo, when he killed his entire family and became Plagueis' apprentice, when he stole Maul from Mother Talzin and trained him, when he killed Plagueis, something from during the clone wars, during the Empire era and if they gotta add something from the sequels, add some stuff when he moved his spirit to Exegol and had his "son" cloned, who was the father to Rey
Eh I mean just the dumb oh palpatine and plagueis kinda having something to do with anakins conception or palpatine knowing how to do what plagueis can do with the midichloriones
To be honest he is speaking fax plaguis did many very unwise things during his tutorship of sheev palpatine and the fact that his master was much more reasonable noble and understandable than him and he killed him for his own ego but then neglected to think maybe the same could and would happen to him for a student raised to be like him Using sideous to do the chores of the sith dignitaries : Oh that mandated sith rule of two destroy the jedi duty : while he tries to control life itself when the job is not even yet done he overestimates himself highly...How do you almost die to a bunch of no body mercenaries when you are the Sith lord of the galaxy like legit all darkside energy in the galaxy or almost all of it flows through you because you covet it like no ther but you cant defeat or see the betrayel coming? Sideous has never once been caught off guard like that when he did it was with a man so imbued with the darkside that his sith spirit literally showed 0 signs of lightside presence and he legit flipped that cosmic energy seconds from betraying him
@@kieranforde3787 True but underestimating someone ability to change their moral ways is different than underestimating someone's power out of hubris i still think it was a grave error since he got vader into the darkside due to his love for padme and potential familly He should of known he would do anything to have that But then again Vader did commit mass Genocides that would be make hitler gawk over the span of 30 years non stop
@@schaddenkorp6977 You people over the net are so spoiled does everything need a point to prove right or wrong can't i just make an observation is that not clear i am making a reflective comment on the words that was Wence said
I think because everything in that one was true. It also showed what Plagueis could have accomplished years down the line. He could've either told a Jedi's midi-chlorians to scram or cut him off from the Force since midi-chlorians serve as intermediaries. He could've made some Jedi his slaves with the mind powers like he did that yinchorri given time. Sidious wanted to know why Plagueis thought he would be needed. Ommm because I promised to make you immortal without you having to rely on essence transfer, that's why you needed me.
It says in the book that Plagueis was challenging Sidious. He was also drunk so he probably wasn't in the state of mind to think any of that sort of thing
I'd imagine he was probably just terrified with facing his death. The one thing he feared more than anything. Losing his power and dying into nothingness.
Notice plagueis' face is actually looking towards the reader....the Jedi is leaning against a cavern image design image graphic on the cover..... That's how BIG plagueis' true image is
Wow! That’s the first time I heard this audiobook and I’m actually scared of Sidious being so devious right now! He wasn’t even giving it his all but just toying with Plagueis, tormenting him!
One of my favourite Star wars novels for sure. I only wish Plagueis had died in a different way. It doesn't make sense to me that he didn't find a way to heal himself from the injuries he got from the maladians considering how afraid of death he was.
Being able to hide himself in the Force from the Jedi AND from Plaugeis shows how the dark side has "installed" him as Sith'ari. The Rule of Two was antagonistic, designed to produce the ultimate vessel to dominate a galaxy. Emperor Palpatine / Darth Sidious was the peak. He evolved beyond definition and simply embodied the dark side.
If it were properly executed, it would have been perfect. But this is why I had no trouble with Sidious returning in TROS. He is the true villain of the Skywalker Saga.
I wouldn't have had an issue with it had it been thoughtfully executed. The entire trilogy was disorganized. For them to unexpectedly bring back one of the most important characters in SW during the opening credits of thr final film is absolutely ridiculous to me. It then seemed like they ran out of true villains and story so they had to just push him in there. To bring back the greatest of the sith Lords that way then to kill him in as basic a death as possible was silly. That last movie was the worst SW film imo.
I want to believe in canon that Plagueis the wise is still out there. Not only because he's meant to be wise, but it's the best way to set the scene that there are more powerful dark side users than Sidious without making him a complete joke. It's also beautiful to think that while Sidious outplayed Plagueis he was also being outplayed himself. it sets the scene for a great rivalry. If Disney were smart they'd have made the movies about whispers of Plagueis returning to punish Sidious and a war between them. It would make far more sense why Sidious needed an empire then, because he knew Plagueis was still potentially alive.
This is just a taste of the power of the true EU, and the book was so good in giving the backstory of Palatine, his early day scheming, and how he rises to power.
Palp seems smart enough to know his style of ruling would have lead to rebellion. Had he just allowed some freedom and growth in its people, he would still be ruling, and we would have been spared those awful sequel movies.
I was rather unhappy reading the book, discovering Plagueis lingered for such a long time. I felt it diminished Sidious as a Sith Lord since he had training wheels on for such a long time. But when in the end he revealed that from very first moment he was chosen as an apprentince he was working towards undoing of Plagueis was just so fitting and in line with his character in the movies. Plagueis thought he ended rule of two, and that he was working towards his grand plan, while rule and it's teachings lived on in Palpatine, who was true architect of Sith's grand plan being fulfilled.
"By the Force! Even when he's killing me, this guy won't shut up!!"
-Darth Plagueis. Probably
I know right😂😂
“Teacher, yes, and for that I will be eternally grateful. But Master?! NEVER!!!”
Great line
God tier line to use on the last day of school
I love how Palpatine's voice slowly morphs into his Sidious voice by the end as he finally claims his throne as THE Sith Lord. Props to the guy playing him. He may not be Ian McDiarmid himself, but he puts his own delightful spin on it.
It's a pity that Daniel Davis didn't read more EU audiobooks.
If you killed someone like your master that’s has all the death side energy. That power goes to you meaning . This if death Vader sidous he be 10 times more powerful
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Christ died for your sins and rose on the third day, showing that anyone who trusts in him for salvation, will have everlasting life.
(John 11:25-26) "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
(John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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@@benjaminhopley3045 I don't think that's the case. You just are smarter because you outsmarted your master and hopefully have their secrets. If that really was the case, they would have easily have defeated the Jedi.
The Sith Master/Apprentice structure is learning and pushing each other as the master has to make sure he stays unattainable to be defeated by the student while also training him to do so. Sidious cheated Vader of this after Vader lost to Obi, tried to find new apprentices against him, and challenged him to get out of his depression and turn it more into anger.
I bet Plagues was like, will you shut up and let me die already
True...Bitterness is for the shallow minded.. Even Plagueis master, Darth Tenebrous died happily when he realize that his apprentice orchestrated his death....
@@markfourtwenty9897 Was he happy? I thought he was angry at Plagueis for putting the Sith plan at risk by killing him.
@@eliminator1472 Angry??? Plan??? those are puny reasons because Apprentices are always meant to kill their masters once they grew more powerful.. That is why Darth Bane created the Rule of Two so that the Sith can turn the inevitable into their advantage
"It is inevitable, it is the way of the Darkside"
-Darth Bane
@@eliminator1472 Tenebrous was angry.
Now reading this comment again. I don't know. I think he would have lost his thought of mind soon after he realized he wasn't gonna live. He was most likely in a state of panic and rage.
“If it’s any consolation, I’m being honest when I say, that I could not have succeeded without you.”
Cold af.
This is canon. You CAN'T change my mind.
This is the Way.
Nothing has really contradicted it so far so it might as well be
Damn straight
Absolutely. And the narrator, Daniel Davis, is brilliant. He is the actor who played Professor Moriarty in 2 episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation.
Yea til filoni makes an animated series on it and completely retcons it
I love filoni and everything he makes but I specifically bought ahsoka because she’s his child and for him to completely negate her story like that in a 15 min section cartoon made me understand to never buy a “canon” novel again
As Palpatine said: "ironic". That a powerful Sith master like Plagueis would die like this. Half-drunk and asleep, an easy target for his ambitious apprentice.
It's also ironic that Palpatine himself would die in pretty similar fashion. So "drunk" on the power of the Dark Side while he was torturing Luke that he couldn't sense Anakin's betrayal coming.
@@82dorrin Now I'm imagining Sidious carrying a wine bottle where he drinks and electrocute Luke at the same time.
@@EmperorRadiationEmpirethis sounds like something robot chicken would make lol.
Palpatine saying “I could fix you, heal your broken body, torn mind, but I won’t.” He could fix Anakin if he wanted to, maybe even heal him damn near 100%. But we all know that his suit wasn’t designed to heal him, but to make his suffering worse, pain worse, everything. Sith operate like that but damn, he is so brutal.
It was a display case for the Sith's ultimate prize, The Chosen One as a still-living corpse.
@@LTDLimiTeD1995 that goes hard wth
@@safndaf9355 I can't take credit, I'm paraphrasing a line in the RotS Novelization xD
@@LTDLimiTeD1995 damn it's a cool line though. That novel is really something
Yea he could heal him but the damage was already done his limbs were gone and so a large portion of his connection to the force
Palpatine was so sinister towards the end of this awesome novel
This is why Star Wars Legends will always be the true Star Wars canon to me because its stories like this that make Star Wars so awesome
Luke skywalker grandfather lives lord Vader father behide everything not palpatine soon everyone going see truth
"Teacher yes, and for that I will be eternally grateful. But Master?!...NEVER!!!" that line always stuck with me from the first time I heard this story.
Darth Plagueis: *Simply body hops into Jar Jar*
Bigger twist. Plagueis' body is a puppet. Jar Jar is the real Plagueis!
I like that this book, in explaining Sidious' origin, didn't make have him corrupted by Plaguies...only unleashed.
He is Pure Evil and never needed to fall. He just needed a little guidance.
I absolutely LOVED Palpatine's arc and character portrayal in this book.
Luceno actually _did_ humanize Palpatine, even added a touch of tragedy to his character (he was basically born to be a monster), but did it in a way that did NOT make him sympathetic.
This explains how Sidious was truly manipulative and basically used Plagueis right from the start. It also explains how he needed his master and needed to learn from his master like literally, right from the start in order to over throw him. I just love it. He also explains the truth of how the Sith gain power and then overthrow their masters when the plan is complete.
In the book Sidious didn't actually plan to kill him until years into apprentice ship. He needed to learn from him first
@@jackqtvsstuff715 Yeah, I've been listening to the book for 3 days now, It's very interesting
@@jackqtvsstuff715 For awhile, it _did_ seem like Sidious wanted to execute Plagueis' plan so they could achieve immortality and rule the galaxy together.
To me, that's one of the most interesting things about the Plagueis novel. You see Palpatine's beliefs change over time.
This is Starwars Cannon. No debate.
Agreed.
Canon*
“I needed to learn from you. No more. No less. To learn all of your secrets, which I trusted you would eventually reveal. But what made you think I would need you after that? Vanity perhaps? Your sense of self importance?? You’ve been nothing more than a pawn, in a game played……by a genuine master”.
Chills Man. If only THIS type of dialog ever made it to live action. We only see the surface level of Palpatine’s brilliance in the films. The man is a calculating mastermind.
I was going to give this a like until I saw the number 66.
He talked Plaguis to death.
I always pictured that Sidious just quickly stabbed Plagueis in his sleep with his lightsaber, but props to Plagueis for holding his breath for Palpy’s 8 minute soliloquy.
Sidious is basically always the villain, no matter what. I hope eventually this becomes canon.
I also hope it becomes canon. This is my favorite book ever.
It nearly is, with bits being quoted in the (canon) novel Tarkin, by same author.
"By the Force!! Even when he's murdering me, this guy won't SHUT UP!!!"
-Dath Plagueis' thoughts as he's getting killed.
It's fiction!!! In the end everything becomes public domain. If it's canon for you, it's canon for you.
@@charlesyang8146 they're talking about a TV Show
Daniel Davis is the perfect voice for Darth Plagueis. If he is ever introduced in a show, movie or game I hope he will be the voice of Plagueis.
True
"A tragedy, really, for one so wise. One who could oversee the lives and deaths of all beings, except himself."
He said the thing!
The genius bit in the writing here is that we do not know what Plagueis was thinking when this was happening.
"I hope he doesn't get into my cloning lab."
"will you shut up man"
The most powerful of the Sith rises trough deceit and manipulation. Darth Bane must sure be proud of his worthy heir.
Except Darth Sidious threw out the rule of two, after "winning" the war, and tried to make himself immortal - thereby dooming the sith in the end. For better or worse.
@@131313chemistry Except, even before taking Sidious in the fold , Plaguies himself indicated that the main purpose of the rule was no longer applicable. It's ancillary purpose of course, that of preventing infighting by limiting the number of Dark Lords to two is still valid.
No, Bane wanted the apprentice to challenge the master flat out strength to strength. That's why he went for the holocron of Darth Andedu, he was afraid that Zannah would just wait until he was to old to fight back. Bane would consider Plagueis weak, yes. He would also hate Sidious for cheating and possibly being the weaker Sith.
@@darthbane3937 Yet Bane deemed patience and cunning to be the best tools for a Sith. he's behavior with Zannah is contradictory he already knew she was stronger than him in the force.
@@blackeagle041 Strength in the Force does not mean you could win. If Palps was an idiot, it wouldn't matter how strong he was. Now if she prepared some trap on the battlefield and held back a skill until the right moment, that is cunning. Bane wanted the title wrenched away from the master in battle. Yes, that is flawed because as the Plagueis novel flat out says, most Sith weren't willing to lay down and die in battle then train another so they could do the same. He lambasted Kaan for thinking of the greater good but Bane was almost Jedi, wanting to die if he was to weak. In a way I can see why. Marshal skills are still important. Sidious was one of the best with the lightsaber and Force but how much better could he have been with years of combat experience or at least the satisfaction of killing Plagueis in a fight. Think about it. Sidious's first battle with a Jedi master was with Windu and the gang. Maybe unrecorded, he dispatched a knight or 2 but not much more than that. Maul was powerful but not as much as Sidious. As Rex said to Ahsoka experience outranks everything. In the political arena, Palps is a grand master but in a fight, master at best. Other Jedi don't have the chance to regularly fight with Force users either like in the Sith Wars. In that way, they are all somewhat novice with Sidious's power and interlect seeing him through. If he'd fought in the Force wars, he would've been even more powerful.
"Star Wars Legends is a pathway some consider to be non Canon, to some."
"Is it possible for these great and wonderful stories be Canon?"
"Not from a Mouse."
Truly, one of the greatest Expanded Universe books ever written. James Luceno did an outstanding job with this book.
Much better writing than anything Disney made, in my opinion at least.
I love all of James Luceno's Star Wars books, my favorites are this one and Tarkin
1000% correct!
Everythingin the expanded universo is Infinity Best than Disney creations
@@shadow-qp2ns Definity, Andor, Rogue one and Mando possibly the exception.
I mean he got a clean slate to write Sideous’s back story…
Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.
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To me, this just confirms Kreia's philosophy. The Force is not an ally, nor a tool or beast which can be broken to one's will. It betrays Plagueis. It betrays the Jedi. And later, it betrays even Palpatine himself.
As Kenobi would say, that is a short-sighted point of view. If we give up our morals, even for victory, we may risk losing what is most precious, our honor. The Jedi lost their honor, and thus the allegiance of the force, because they were no longer Jedi. Palpatine could have won in the end, but only if he
"zapped" Vader before Luke. As for Plagueis, well, he either intended for Sidious to destroy him or lost his way with the dark side, as many Sith Masters do.
@@dustinrowley7665 i think the reason Plagueis was unsuspecting is because his master crippled him and his force vision before be died.
@@dustinrowley7665 I think the force will submit to luke tho because luke is not trapped by the dogma of the jedi nor the insanity of the sith. He threw himself at his father's and the force's mercy and trusted it. Disney seems to keen to rewrite that but screw them.. there Satanist/sith phycophants. Luke possibly the strongest force user ever. Probably could of beaten Sidious at both their peaks.
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Sidious: *In a sadistic way slowly kills and humiliating him physically and mentally*.
Plagueis in his mind: "just shut the fuck up and let me die in peace".
This book alone cements James Luceno's place in the Star Wars Franchise. He'll always be one of the best Star Wars authors.
Yep! I’d say THE best. I wonder if he will write another or if he is done. Disney canon is so inferior though.
@@wesrm1 Yeah, "Tarkin" was good novel but I always wonder how he would have written it had Disney no changed the canon.
@@rippingtons60 It didn’t affect it. Tarkin takes place between the two trilogies before they had done much in that time frame. There was only one season of Rebels at that point.
They need to make a tv series on this timeline/events.
Yeah they definitely do.
Really… I get farming for likes but you really advocating for giving this to Disney lol
@@CoercedJab Dude I would be thrilled if they made this a show. But it would be 18+
Yeah but I think Disney would ruin it.
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No, wrest control of this franchise from the rat first
"If you are going to shoot lightning out of your hands then shoot, don't talk." - Plagueis's last bit of advice to Sidious before death.
He didn't listen
And got thrown for It 😂
My favorite part is when he says "You useless ode fuuuu." and then starts shocking him.
Plagueis despite being betrayed by his pupil still completed his mission in the end through Sidious.
I wonder how the empire would have been run under Plagueis instead of Palpatine
@@SlashinatorZ Plagueis would probably be similar to Sidious but probably somewhat less chaotic.
Plagueis would have remained an even more reclusive hermit perusing his immortality without distraction.
@@nathanstice8456 I think he would've found a way to kill Anakin Skywalker. He would probably use Dooku to carry out the final stages of the grand plan. He would have the droids and clones turn on the Jedi, and make it seem like the Jedi are the true threat to peace in the galaxy. He could then install Dooku as his puppet emperor. He would then use his vast wealth to develop a planet-killing weapon. I think he would be much more cautious than Sidious. He would only reveal the weapon when his power was truly threatened. Plageuis would essentially be an immortal dark lord ruling from the shadows, similar to vitiate. I suppose the force would find a way to return balance to the force by creating another being with an extremely high midiclorian count.
Sidious a true sadist, hedonist, masochist, extremist, forward planner, and trickster.
Are these traits appealing to you then?
Palpatine in rots: “Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis, the wise”
Kathleen Kennedy: There is no source material.
The Source Material:
This is such a good story, I hope one day Palpatine can tell someone else it in all its glory :)
I hope tales of the Jedi portrays the death of Plagueis
unfortunately not only did it not show that, it made a decent chunk of this book unable to be canonized without rewriting quite a bit of it.
This was an amazing book and whoever the voice of palpatine is in this did an amazing job
This scene perfectly shows the Rule of Two - ironicly... the Apprentice, having grown powerful enough is settling his accounts with the Master...
Even better it shows how Darth Sidious has taken the mantle from his Master... and enjoying every single moment of it...
I absolutely love the metaphor how the "Dark Side whispers" to them...
And yes, the entire speech is totally Palpatine a.k.a. Darth Sidious - smooth, philosophical and powerful...
absolutely LOVE this... this Novel is probably the best EVER Legends novel... second only to the Darth Bane Trilogy.
MAN CHOKES FOR 10 MINUTES
Sidious really wanted to savour the moment.
Finally! Someone put this audio on TH-cam!
It was too good not too!
Would be great if Ian Mcdiarmid could narrate this book.
I would only like him to Narrate Sidious but the narrator did An absolute phenominal job with Sidious.
@@jackqtvsstuff715 his performance reminds me of the palpatine voice actor from the old clone wars show
@@jackqtvsstuff715 Not to mention, this narrator does a great Plagueis voice.
Or just this one scene would be enough.
Tales of the Jedi could make an episode about Plagueis
I just recently finished this book and I'm just upset that it took me this long to get into the EU
I always took "killed him in his sleep" to mean some quick sneak attack
Not this drawn out, Shakespeare-style soliloquy
Yeah it is pretty goofy but Star Wars is a space opera so it's alright
That was your interpretation.
@@wesrm1I think it's a pretty reasonable one based on the scene
But it's a bit boring if you're a novel writer telling a dialog-driven story
@@sulljoh1 But you’re reading a novel so why wouldn’t you want a man in-depth, masterful prose scene? Anyway, Palpatine didn’t say he killed him in his sleep.
@@wesrm1 I like the novel and admire James Luceno as a writer. I read many of his books! But this book screws up too many plot points from the movies. Palpatine DID say that his master was killed in his sleep. Yoda did say there were only two sith. Etc. James could have worked harder to make a story that didn't disrupt existing concepts IMHO.
Legends is just a code word for Lucas’ Star Wars which is a code word for true Star Wars.
nope, lucas kinda hated the EU. what THIS proves is that a lack of lucas is not the reason the new stuff fails. it's trying too hard to BE lucas's star wars.
@@pathevermore3683 lucas didn't really hate the EU he said they are separate to the Canon films
@@ringe1008 you've never seen his opinion on mara jade.
He took inspiration from the EU and obviously vice versa, but you can't say it was "Lucas' Star Wars", he didn't write most of those books and had nothing to do with the storyline, even if he knew abt some of the content.
He was very involved w the clone wars stuff during the prequels, but all the old Grandmaster Luke era stuff had almost nothing to do with George Lucas
@@pathevermore3683 You mean that he disagreed with Luke getting Married as a Jedi, and having a family?
Lol, your implication is too hyperbolic when compared to the reality.
Darth Endless Exposition
plagueis, homie, Y you gotta put trust in lil palpy .. RIP rest in peace and power.
Snoke not being Plagueis is one of the sequels many missed opportunities...
Another reason the sequels will *NEVER* be great.
Narration was true quality in this audiobook.
I had to play this on repeat. Sidious is always a sadist as he is a master manipulator.
Ian McDermid would’ve been great in an adaptation of this. It fits him better than the prequels or sequels.
Evil always inevitably consumes itself
This entire bit of the book gave me chills to the core, and Imperial pride! Even now listening again, it is still chilling, fascinating and brilliantly written
Since they've been canonizing a whole roster of stuff from Legends that essentially are copy-pasted from there, they might as well consider this book 100% canon since, as far as I'm aware, it doesn't contradict anything they've made canon. They haven't even made any canon stories about Sidious' past.
I would love this novel adapted to the screen. In your opinion, which way would be better, a show or a movie?
@@an-animal-lover Tales of the Jedi style adaptation called Tales of the Sith, but 20+ minute episodes. One arc would focus on the young Palpatine and his rise to power from his young days on Naboo, when he killed his entire family and became Plagueis' apprentice, when he stole Maul from Mother Talzin and trained him, when he killed Plagueis, something from during the clone wars, during the Empire era and if they gotta add something from the sequels, add some stuff when he moved his spirit to Exegol and had his "son" cloned, who was the father to Rey
Eh I mean just the dumb oh palpatine and plagueis kinda having something to do with anakins conception or palpatine knowing how to do what plagueis can do with the midichloriones
would listen to this audio book every few months at work! loved it
What did you love about Star Wars.... the speeches.
To be honest he is speaking fax plaguis did many very unwise things during his tutorship of sheev palpatine and the fact that his master was much more reasonable noble and understandable than him and he killed him for his own ego but then neglected to think maybe the same could and would happen to him for a student raised to be like him
Using sideous to do the chores of the sith dignitaries : Oh that mandated sith rule of two destroy the jedi duty : while he tries to control life itself when the job is not even yet done he overestimates himself highly...How do you almost die to a bunch of no body mercenaries when you are the Sith lord of the galaxy like legit all darkside energy in the galaxy or almost all of it flows through you because you covet it like no ther but you cant defeat or see the betrayel coming?
Sideous has never once been caught off guard like that when he did it was with a man so imbued with the darkside that his sith spirit literally showed 0 signs of lightside presence and he legit flipped that cosmic energy seconds from betraying him
Sidious dropped his guard with vader and luke because Sidious got so distracted torturing Luke. the Darkside betrayed him because he loved it so much.
@@kieranforde3787 True but underestimating someone ability to change their moral ways is different than underestimating someone's power out of hubris i still think it was a grave error since he got vader into the darkside due to his love for padme and potential familly
He should of known he would do anything to have that
But then again Vader did commit mass Genocides that would be make hitler gawk over the span of 30 years non stop
@@inyalgaico1563 ok but what is your point exactly?
@@schaddenkorp6977 You people over the net are so spoiled does everything need a point to prove right or wrong can't i just make an observation is that not clear i am making a reflective comment on the words that was Wence said
This chapter is why this is my favourite star wars legends novel
Honestly, Plagueis speech to Veruna is even better.
I think because everything in that one was true. It also showed what Plagueis could have accomplished years down the line. He could've either told a Jedi's midi-chlorians to scram or cut him off from the Force since midi-chlorians serve as intermediaries. He could've made some Jedi his slaves with the mind powers like he did that yinchorri given time. Sidious wanted to know why Plagueis thought he would be needed. Ommm because I promised to make you immortal without you having to rely on essence transfer, that's why you needed me.
I wonder if Plagues was angry at Sheev in that moment, or proud.
It says in the book that Plagueis was challenging Sidious.
He was also drunk so he probably wasn't in the state of mind to think any of that sort of thing
I'd imagine he was probably just terrified with facing his death. The one thing he feared more than anything. Losing his power and dying into nothingness.
@@matthewharrison2317 well, that is what all Sith feared. Most of them, anyway
I think he was proud, like it was always his endgame, perhaps the essence of plaugis never actually left palpatine.
Much better than Disney
Finally found it
Holy fuck I need to buy this book
Yeah you do. Also the audiobook
Yes you do
@@jackqtvsstuff715 I also need to get the audiobook, but I'm not on Audible
@@an-animal-lover You can still buy it from them without a subscription.
@@wesrm1 oh
Notice plagueis' face is actually looking towards the reader....the Jedi is leaning against a cavern image design image graphic on the cover.....
That's how BIG plagueis' true image is
Could we PLEASE get Ian McDirmid to read this?😎😈
Tales of the Jedi could arrange that
Wow! That’s the first time I heard this audiobook and I’m actually scared of Sidious being so devious right now! He wasn’t even giving it his all but just toying with Plagueis, tormenting him!
plagueis is my favorite sith, BY FAR
Truly the best of SW Legends...
One of my favourite Star wars novels for sure. I only wish Plagueis had died in a different way. It doesn't make sense to me that he didn't find a way to heal himself from the injuries he got from the maladians considering how afraid of death he was.
"It's ironic. He had the power to keep others from death. But not himself."
By the force, this is great.
Being able to hide himself in the Force from the Jedi AND from Plaugeis shows how the dark side has "installed" him as Sith'ari. The Rule of Two was antagonistic, designed to produce the ultimate vessel to dominate a galaxy. Emperor Palpatine / Darth Sidious was the peak. He evolved beyond definition and simply embodied the dark side.
We need Thomas Sanders to do an attempt run at reading through this whole thing
The true sithar'i and most succesfull sith who ever lived, amazing
... and they all lived happily ever after.
They should make a Palpatine Disney plus show. I would love too see the rise of Sideous!
Same
Palpatine had a fool proof plan....the best thought out plan of any sith.....or Jedi
If it were properly executed, it would have been perfect. But this is why I had no trouble with Sidious returning in TROS. He is the true villain of the Skywalker Saga.
I wouldn't have had an issue with it had it been thoughtfully executed. The entire trilogy was disorganized. For them to unexpectedly bring back one of the most important characters in SW during the opening credits of thr final film is absolutely ridiculous to me. It then seemed like they ran out of true villains and story so they had to just push him in there. To bring back the greatest of the sith Lords that way then to kill him in as basic a death as possible was silly. That last movie was the worst SW film imo.
@@sellison899 "somehow...Palpatine returned"🤦♂️☹️
@@an-animal-lover Right! Unbelievable 🤦🏾♂️ that's how you know sw isn't being made by sw fans
The greatest piece of Star Wars lore EVER made, bar none.
The dark side surrounds Niles the Butler.
This sounds like Madara reading Star Wars
dooku may have been able to fight the nightsisters while being blind but this was something no one could break out of.
I loved this book 🤗
I actually wonder if Sidious decided not to kill Plagueis what would the rest of the prequels look like
Amazing
The book is really good.
Sidious really is the embodiment of cruelty
2:55 - 3:10 "His equally powerful apprentice". Maul was as powerful as Sidious.
I want to believe in canon that Plagueis the wise is still out there. Not only because he's meant to be wise, but it's the best way to set the scene that there are more powerful dark side users than Sidious without making him a complete joke. It's also beautiful to think that while Sidious outplayed Plagueis he was also being outplayed himself. it sets the scene for a great rivalry. If Disney were smart they'd have made the movies about whispers of Plagueis returning to punish Sidious and a war between them. It would make far more sense why Sidious needed an empire then, because he knew Plagueis was still potentially alive.
Disney ruined this
Literal chills
Palpatine was going a bit Octavian in this at the end, attributing much of Plagueis' schemes and achievements to himself.
This is just a taste of the power of the true EU, and the book was so good in giving the backstory of Palatine, his early day scheming, and how he rises to power.
This is the greatest Star Wars novel! It is the Moby Dick of Star Wars literature.
So ironic that he says one sith can never truly trust another. Great subtle foreshadowing of what would be his demise.
And the award for dying to a 10 minutes evil monolouge goes to DARTH PLAGUISE 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Nice voice acting!
Palp seems smart enough to know his style of ruling would have lead to rebellion. Had he just allowed some freedom and growth in its people, he would still be ruling, and we would have been spared those awful sequel movies.
I was rather unhappy reading the book, discovering Plagueis lingered for such a long time. I felt it diminished Sidious as a Sith Lord since he had training wheels on for such a long time. But when in the end he revealed that from very first moment he was chosen as an apprentince he was working towards undoing of Plagueis was just so fitting and in line with his character in the movies. Plagueis thought he ended rule of two, and that he was working towards his grand plan, while rule and it's teachings lived on in Palpatine, who was true architect of Sith's grand plan being fulfilled.
So savage lol
Odd the Sith Lords were accusing Plagueis for violating the rule of 2 through, the person who was intent on eliminating it completely.
This kid would always have this book in elementary
if the leaks are right maybe we get to see him on film
It wasn't a TV Series???
??????
What leaks?