The Philosophy of Plagueis: Balance of the Force
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- Darth Plagueis the Wise. One of the most powerful force sensitive beings ever. He understood balance in the force... and how to topple it. This video contains his words and excerpts from the audiobook Darth Plagueis, by James Luceno
I am not the creator of any of the art, music, overvoice, or characters. This is simply a compilation of many interesting things regarding the force and balance.
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Man oh man, I wish this voice actor would voice more star Wars audiobooks. Amazing!
Idk how I never realized this was Niles from the Nanny and Moriarty from TNG.
Same. Love Marc Thompson, I really do, but this voice actor and Jonathan Davis need to get back in the game.
@@cosinguspalpatine4449 110% agree
@@cosinguspalpatine4449 I don't really care for some of Marc's voices myself.
@@minicle426 I felt that. Sometimes I just feel like he’s everywhere.
7:12 reminds me of when Windu said “ I think it’s time we inform the senate that our ability to use The Force has diminished.” I feel like he was talking about how In generations of Jedi masters could see visions and glimpses of the future with little effort simply by meditating and then around the time the Plaguies and Sidious tipped the balance the Council members would meditate and they couldn’t see the future or far away places anymore(the way that Yoda describes In Empire) all the way up to Revenge of the Sith.
Under rated comment . But then again 99% of people that comment are npc saying they wish it was a movie
@@bigbird2240 appreciate that big dawg I’ve always been a huge fan of this book.
Plagueis was going to share his knowledge with Palpatine for them both to live forever. Jesus Christ, Palpatine really was a jerk.
Plagueis is my father
Or he was an idiot who couldn’t see past his own self importance
Ironic, he was the one plagueis cared about
Plagueis took Palpatine's latent psychopathy and sadism and made it way worse because of his sith training. He sort of did this to himself in a way
Plagueis never intended to divulge all that he knew. If he really did intend to keep Sidious alive, it would have been as an underling, a position Sidious would never be satisfied with.
Excerpts like these convince me not only that this is Luceno’s greatest work, but that this book might be the best title in the Star Wars universe.
My father is plaguies i am greatfull for his teachings to me
RoTS gives it a run for its money
I've been collecting all the novels since around the early 90s - I agree with you. This might just be not only the best novel but also the best audio book adaptation in all of Legends and canon. The voice acting is amazing.
@@marcoslaureano5562, right: the voice acting is excellent. I have both the novel and audio book as well.
@@nathanstice8456 it’s good, but doesn’t come anywhere close to Plagueis.
Imagine Plague is and Yoda smoking a fat one, and conversing about the force. A LEGENDARY DIALOGUE IT WOULD BE.
This book is better than any of the new trilogy movies or solo, by a country mile. Amazing.
So true if George lucas made a movie out of this! Whooooah that would be something! Disney not so much
@@TheDunateen77 George never considered the old EU as a part of his canon. So him making a movie like this book would be slim because he didn't care for the old EU. In his opinion, they were never a part of his personal canon.
This should have been the prequels at least the first movie and a half... .
@@brandonwright3553 If only they gave thought to making a movie out of this.🤔 Disney probably would ruin this as well so who knows.
Easily
We were on the verge of greatness, we were this close...
But you just had to kill him, Sidious
That’s the way of the Sith :)
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle Cunning is what won sidious his mantle as dark lord of the sith.
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle it is how I view it I think george lucas would say the same as well.
@@mattsiriani8178 depends on your interpretation, some might say they could gain further strength had they completed their research and found a power beyond force essence transfer for maintaining their presence in the material world. Had they achieved that, the Sith could fundamentally bend nature to their whims.
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle You have a point, but I think Sidious killed him prematurely because he realized that if he didn't, Plagueis might have become just too powerful for him to overcome. He saw a window of opportunity and he took it.
I love how the point at which the force struck back at them was not when they suffused the galaxy with darkness, but when they tried to create a living being of darkness. I think that's pretty funny.
"Ironic."
@@starscraper1336 Have you ever heard the tragedy of ironic plague of the wise?
We do the same. We see darkness in our world and watch it grow and carry on with our lives unabated. Then, when an individual rises up that embodies that darkness and commits acts that demonstrate it, humanity fights back, demonizes the individual or individuals, and replaces them. Example…WW2. All the crap of ethnic cleansing, camp imprisonment, war and conquest are all things that existed at that time but once Hitler and the Nazi party became vessels to enforce that darkness, then world powers pushed back.
Plagueis was one of the very few Sith who approximated nearly god-like power.
I think being a Mune he had a very different and unique perspective of the Sith objective.
If he didn't die I don't think the Jedi would have had a chance to resurrect.
@@eddweet sidious was a fool for killing him. He could have gave sidious immortality as well
@@indridcole7596 the force would have not allowed it. The Force allowed to dark side to grow to balance out the light. The jedi were too many and the force was out of balance because of this.
The Sith had to rise to bring back balance but if the force allowed them to have immortality the darkside would have ruled forever. I think thats why also anakin lost aganist obiwan. He was too strong and would have likely created an imbalance in the force either as a jedi or a Sith.
There's like 5 of them
@@indridcole7596 but that’s not how the rule of two works.
If Plaguies lived he probably would have ascended into Godhood like the Celestials would have been insane.
I feel that Dooku in Legends material would of been a better apprentice to Hego then Palps was he may not of had the midichlorian count of Sidious, Yoda, The Skywalkers, And The Mereks but his midichlorian count was either close to at the same play or a little higher then Plagueis own and also Dookus ideas and political acumen is more like Plagueis then Palps yeah.
Yeah and id say he is easier to manipulate and isnt as ambitious as palp. Only issue is that he's old as shit but i suppose midichlorian manipulation could reverse some of his aging.
"Ironic, they thought they could make the force submit to them, only to submit themselves to an inescapable fate, that of their downfall"
The voice actors for this audio book did a great job they knew how stringent star wars fans can get and how to voice the characters correctly
To me this is canon
EU is the only true canon.
I think it will be made into Cannon
I think Palpatine feared Plagueis. Him saying "all those with power fear losing it" is privately admitting it. It's why he killed him like a coward instead of facing him like a man
Well Plagueis pretty much did the same thing with his master.
@@stevenlovejoy6838 Perhaps it wasn't wise to create a faith with self-interest as its main tenant
@@redjirachi1 agreed.
@@redjirachi1 You’ve obviously never heard of capitalism.
@@Mourtzouphlos240 That doesn’t seem to be a faith now does it?
Please let it be known that palpatine never learned the power of creating life. Plaguies did all that alone and unassisted as stated again and again.
Armani Webb I feel like a lot of people speak with authority on this book without even reading it
@@ilo2224 The thing is people take information from other sources for granted without doing their own research. Besides star wars this is an extremely common problem amongst self proclaimed scientist, physicist, and everyday folks listening to the daily news
I don’t think Plagueis ever taught the powers over life and death to Palpatine. These passages suggest that he didn’t tell Sidious his findings, and the beginning of the book says “True to Muun psychology, he had hoarded his knowledge and had never taken Tenebrous into his confidence.”
That being said, Palpatine did learn powers like essence transfer and alchemy, and he had access to Plagueis’s lab on Arborah, so I would assume he learned as much as he could from his Master’s library
@@tardarsauce3355 yeah but a lot of fans that go off of TH-camrs will argue otherwise, without cracking open the book themselves
It makes sense tho, if plagueis had the chance to learn immortality it would have left sidious an apprentice forever and by extention he would never be a true master, he had to take that chance when it presented itself
This is why I WISH he was the true villain of the sequels.
But nah, Palpatine needed a come back apparently
I love Palpatine, but we've ad him the villain in 6 movies!!! Give us someone new!!I'm getting sick of the Skywalker family too, the galaxy is huge give us some new blood and Jesus when we think we got prey from a no name family which was cool, but NO She's freaking Palpatine grand daughter!!!!!! New star wars are farbage. I like Rogue One, Solo and the Mandalorian. But the new trilogy was garbage. Cheque was the best character lol
The chains of grave cannot hold a dark lord of the sith.
Low iq comment is begging for great Star Wars stories in books to be made into a movie
@@sethbadal8342 then start playing the games and reading the comics or such, you have plenty of non-palpatine and non-skywalker stories
Personally, I think Thrawn would have been perfect for the sequels. Unfortunately, Plagueis did die at Palpatine’s hands, and he wasn’t able to avoid it. But I agree; I was really hoping at the time that he was back! It would have been awesome, and displayed just how absurdly powerful he was in the force. I suppose there is still a way they could make him return, and I would be here for it. Palps is awesome, but his master would have brought down the Jedi and never been taken down.
This is a great book....thanks for posting...I really enjoyed listening.
I can easily see how people thought that Snoke was Plagueis. The way either of them muses whimsically emulates the other.
I want to see this in a movie. I want to see a Sith go to the dark side and go thru training. We saw Anakin turn, but has already a powerful jedi. I want to see a Sith from start to finish. We've seen a few Jedis turn on screen already.I want to see a true Sith in a mpvie. As much as I love the zjedi, Sith are more mysterious and interesting, fascinating
The Acolyte will be about that I think
Disney will never too bad because us fans definitely deserve it
@@starscraper1336 will it actually be good though is the question
Dumb to always have to see great books in a movie
I'm roleplaying something like that in the website of AI dungeon lol, I created a setting to re-create the old republic (without cannon characters though). So far my character started as an officer in the sith empire's military, awakened his sensitivity to the force and is growing in power but, I like to play the good Sith, my character has good morals and believes that as someone who also serves in the military his duty is to protect the people, not terrorize them, he hates the Sith now, but he still strives to move up in the ranks of the Sith Order in hopes of changing it from the inside. Sadly he's on a constant inner struggle, because he only knows dark side powers and while he's not a brute using them, he has lost control sometimes because of the dark side of the force, though he still tries to secretly meditate in peace and mantain a certain balance within him. So far a cool story, you should try playing yourself!
There should be a series of this
Dumbest most low iq comment ever is begging for a movie every time you see a good Star Wars story
The Brotherhood of Darkness were children playing in a sandbox compared to the Banite Sith.
I wish you made an audiobook for this. You clearly love your work.
Ahhh I love coming back to this and listening.
I wish someone would post this audiobook again. I used to listen to it at least twice a week until it was taken down
Best novel written in the history of human language. I could listen to this guy read appliance instruction manuals.
A Perfect telling of Darth Plagueis philosophy however it would’ve been nice if Darth Tenebrous, Venamous and Sideous intros were put into it.
I’d say definitely tenebrous because his death prepared the intro to plaugeis journey. In “the way of the tenebrous” novel we see that tenebrous planned for his death and attempted to exist within plaugeis until plaugeis created Anakin, tenebrous would turn take over anakin. However, tenebrous plan backfired and the midiclorian method he used instead made him live in a pocket dimension of the force where he saw the future of Palpatine taking over. Tenebrous tried to escape his imprisonment but only continued to relive his death and realization of being trapped. Tenebrous is still alive, just with no body and no way out.
@@J99___ If existing in an alternate dimension unable to affect the corporal realm is considered being alive then is the Jedi view of There is no death There is only The Force true. Does this also mean that all who die exist in a separate space reliving their most traumatic events? Does the force exist in this alternate space or is it outside the force? There are beings capable of creating separate dimensions through sheer force of will but can they access the different dimensions of others and use it for their own purposes? Many questions I hope the franchise will answer.
This book is absolutely amazing. Plagueis is one of my favorite characters.
8:00 I do sort of agree with this one. The Jedi should never have remained involved with the republic government once the Sith were defeated.
Yeah, they tried to half ass it. Either they took over completely and have one Jedi council after another judge how the Galaxy and everyone in it would be managed or they needed to wash their hands of all of it and just be a religious order. They tried to be middle of the road and got run over.
@@Mourtzouphlos240 Pick a sidewalk for walking the middle of road is just gonna get you run over eventually.
The Jedi became tools serving the republic making the light side a political tool. That was their downfall
Ahh Darth plaguies the wise greatest sith ever, need or series or movie.
This was a masterpiece
Had Plagueis succeeded, the last line of the new Jedi code would've come true. There is no death, there is only the Force.
We need an adaptation of this book in a series right now.
It's not a story Disney would tell you
I need to hurry up and get too this book
Best star wars book I ever knew.
The rule of two became a grab for literal immortality and less so of the idea of Sith domination.
Made more prevalent with dark empire.
Sidious had secretly discovered banes essence transfer.
I wish this book was adapted into a live action mini-series.
Imagine: Darth Plagueis, young Palpatine, young Qui gon, teen Obi-wan, teen Maul, Yoda, young Mace Windu, young Dooku, young Syfo-Dias...all in one series!
Depressing to know this will never happen because Disney killed Starwars.
It very easily could happen. The acolyte could very well lead into it
@@05goode Hopefully it's executed well
@@05goode Kathleen Kennedy is apart of it so all the hope that it could be decent goes down the toilet.
@@JellyNightSquid69 she’s also a part of rougue one , mandalorian, book of boba fett. Clone wars season 7 etc
@@05goode Rogue One was solid, Mando she wanted Grogu to be a female strictly so a woman would save Mando's life and that was overruled, season 2 she had a limited hand in, Book of Boba Fett ended up being reviewed as rather mediocre, with many of the fan issues with Boba's depiction supposedly being from her (Like a Bantha!) The clone wars season 7 was great, except for the entire 1/3 arc about people and shit we didn't care about, and most people I talked to didn't give a damn. She also ordered the reshoots of 9 that removed Kylo Ren and Palpatines duel, Hayden Christiansen in old man anakin make up, she ordered the green milk scene in 8 specifically, she was responsible for the literal death of Luke and Han. I'm sorry, what did she do well for Star Wars? Every example given had decent points, but all of the bad points in those examples were her doing. Oh and she was vehemently against Luke being in Mando
The music needs help but I love that you made this.
Totally disagree it definitely adds to the atmosphere and immersion
Totally disagree it definitely adds to the atmosphere and immersion
This was all quite sophisticated and fascinating like reading the ideas of the Illuminati; but I would have liked the music to be a little softer because it was hard to hear.
*The Imperial March and Duel of the Fates in the background really spoils the reading.*
Have you ever heard the tragedy of darth star wars music the annoying?
No it makes it more powerful
Completely disagree it adds atmosphere and have you listened to the audiobook? Sorry to tell you but there is music in the background in various parts as well as atmospheric background noise pertinent to the chapters.
@@nathanstice8456 I have the audiobook. I prefer without background music. In fact I think James Luceno's nasal voice of Palpatine is irritating also.
I like Luceno's Plagueis and narration voice.
The music in the background or foreground is just too much for me an I really want to listen to this one 😩
If Plagueis hadn't been so unfortunate in choosing Palpatine as his apprentice, he could have very well become the most powerful Sith ever. I mean the dude willed the Force into multiplying his own midichlorian count. That's NUTS. OR if only Palpatine hadn't been so focused on ruling and government and had actually learned these things from his master, Palpatine definitely would have been stronger than any other Sith in history - other than perhaps Emperor Vitiate/Valkorion/Tenebrae and perhaps Exar Kun. Imho this possibly is the best novel AND audio book adaptation in the Star Wars library - whether Legends or canon.
Who came here to listen to Niles from the Nanny read a Star Wars story? 😉😀 Thanks for sharing ❤
ARE YOU KIDDING ME I WENT THROUGH THE ENTIRE AUDIOBOOK TWICE WITHOUT REALIZING THAT ASDFGJKL
When I first heard it I thought Ian Richardson did it before he died.
Anyone know where I can find the full original audio books?
They're on Audible
@@starscraper1336 thanks, thanks, thanks THAAAAAAANNNKKKK YOOOOUUUU! so much.
What this song
I love this audiobook but they made some poor decisions with the music and sound effects. Not that they were bad or something, just used in improper places.
The music in the actual audiobook isn’t misplaced as it is here in this video. I think the creator of the vid added it to avoid copyright.
Long live Darth plagues
It's not a story the Jedi would tell you
Anyway to share the whole book ? Please.
If you want the whole Audiobook i could provide it to you,such art shouldn't be lost,its the book that made me appreciate Books
@@Yami1300 ok
@@cheese3416
I cold provide you with a website were you can download it.
If not give me your mail
@@Yami1300 could you send me the full audiobook? 😊
Matthew 123456 The audio book is THE best Star Wars anything that's come out in ages. The guy who reads it is absolutely phenomenal. Highly recommend it if you are a fan.
Best star wars book
Followed by Lords of The Sith.
Lol lords of the Sith ? You must not of read or listened to many
Darth Sidious taught me the path to immortality - with Darth PLeageuis, and Darth Maul, in "real" life.
What is the path to immortality
Poor guy, trying to achieve the impossible
I did evin this novel...year before it came out.
HAHAHAHAPPY HANUKKAH
The soundtrack doesn't fit the mood.
We’re u get whoe thing to hear it
I barely ever read chapter books because they bore me. This one I tried tho and it was 🔥🔥🔥🔥.
So Jedi could abstain but that opens the door to new problems unless they become missionaries in the divide of church and senate :} Jedi Chancellors put into office by the council undermines the democracy they swore to uphold but spares them problems down to line.
Make the plaguies and bane trilogies you want to revive star wars to its rightful place in the galaxy give us sith!!
Don’t need them made into dumb movies , the highest level of stories is not a movie
The Apocalypse has return 666 And So Have I~I Am Lucifer
7h 7min bookmark
Sidious both brung the sith to rule the Galaxy and destroyed it
Thats because it was written before Disney tuck over
Balance in The Force isn't "balance" as in "scales" it is "balance" as in tightrope or balance beam.
Or even better: wolves in Yellowstone. th-cam.com/video/ysa5OBhXz-Q/w-d-xo.html
Metaphorically, the Sith either killed off the wolves or they killed off everything BUT the wolves. That is the Sith's Imbalance. At least according to Lucas and Canon.
hello myself
@@darthrevan7710 HEY IF YOU I WHO AM I ?
@@darthrevan7710 YESSS
Plagueis never created anakin, he had intentions to but did not.
@@darthrevan7710 If I'm not mistaken he never succeeded in creating advance life besides pregnancies. I want to say Anakin birth came about when both he and sidious caused the shift in the force, the unbalance. So not really plagueis birthing Anakin, but the force itself retaliating against plagueis will, creating the entity that would destroy the sith and one who the force will almost Always obey.
@@darthrevan7710 my man! Great video.
@Joseph Cribari according to kreia philosophy Anakin would be the being who finally overthrows the force. Killed the Jedi, the sith, and the ones of mortis.
Hi. I am a Star Wars fangirl. I need some help. I am a hardcore George Lucas loyalist (loving the prequel trilogy when they were released back when I was in my teens). Unfortunately he sold Star Wars to Disney and I truly abhor Disney's re-branding and re-telling of the Star Wars story. I consider Disney stuff to be non-canon. To quench my thirst for more Star Wars deep lore and its worldbuilding fantasy (and to occupy myself during this coronavirus lockdown), I decided to delve into Star Wars Legends/Expanded Universe books. I just finished reading Stover's Revenge of the Sith and I loved it immensely. It was my first Star Wars book.
I know George Lucas created the character Darth Plagueis and so am very interested to read this book (written by Luceno). Can you pls tell me if this book contradicts George Lucas's concept of the Force and his vision of the Star Wars grand story? Does Luceno's book feel like a George Lucas Star Wars story? In this book, did Luceno write that Anakin was created by Darth Plagueis and/or Darth Sidious? If so, I might lose interest in reading this book.... Is there any Darth Plagueis comics that I can read?
Please help. Thank you so much in advance.
@@paulinelambert7780 the plaguies book is almost Lucas, and feels like the stuff he wanted to get into. Plagueis goes deep into midiclorians, the pedestal of the force and it's characteristics. The reason I say this is like Lucas due to Lucas original plan for the sequels and recent additions like the force priestess. Lucas planned to explore the microbiotic world of midiclorians and connect them to the force, to balance, to the keepers of balance and more.
I like the book and appreciate it but good lord the audio .. like the theme music is so distracting, like please cut it out or something, I get this intense dark theme opera choral interludes just take away from the story
Listen to the audiobook if you want it normal I like this version because I already heard the regular audio
Finish this please
The music is , " TOOOO BLOODY LOUD !!! "
can't even hear the story just MUSIC!!! ☹
Yep
@@darthrevan7710 that doesn't define an intelligent retort to the question? It is too loud, and why did you destroy the star forge the Rakata built thousands of years ago you bumbkin?
Lol you all are losing it over the music just get the audiobook good lord
The true teachings of the Dark Side! Give in to the Dark Side! True power is found in the dark! There is always dark! Turn to the Dark Side in this reality turn away from the light. The light blinds us!
Man the comments here are crazy. I love star wars but I hate that our fans believe they have some superior understanding or knowledge and all others are wrong. I mean there’s basically no discussion in the comments just everyone knowing everything and everyone telling everyone else how wrong they are. Just stop, it’s a great fantasy world we all love, but stop acting like weirdos, its getting old. 🤡s
To bad star wars can never put money behind the bad side of the force because of Disney
And that is why the Banite Sith were superior even to the Ancient Sith. I keep seeing all these videos bashing the Rule of Two Sith in favor of the Old Sith. But as much power as Darth Vitiate and Marka Ragnos had, NONE OF THEM ever tipped the balance of the force, regenerated their bodies to do physical immortality without sorcery or a mass sacrifice being involved, or even created life. Plagueis and Sidious made themselves gods in the Force. The old Sith never dreamed of such power. Or rather they did. And it eluded them.
if I dirrected episodes 7,8,and 9 then it could have been about young Sheev Palpatine and Darth Plaguise it will be better than the Disney Trash
Low iq comment begging for great books to be made into dumb movie
Ok but that would not have been a *sequel* now would it? Maybe episodes 0,-1,-2 lol.
Snoke = Plagueis > Rise of Skywalker
Don't try to deny it
I do
I’m glad snoke didn’t turn out to be plagueis that dudes an embarassment
I do
so........you're telling me HegoDanask "made" AnakinSkywalker with midichlorians? hmmmm...the movies said nothing about that.
😄 🤣 😉
The movies are only the tip of a giant iceberg. If you really want to know star wars you have to dive underwater.
No, you yoho. Read the actual book. Plagueis tried to create a new life form out of sheer will but the force pushed back on this and created Anakin. Plagueis doesn’t even know what he did let alone know the existence of Anakin…not until close to his untimely death anyway.
@@streetsdisciple0014 the book doesn’t confirm this it just hints at it
Lol
Been meaning to get that novel for reserach on a proyect im thinking of, but damn, way too many mentions of one of Lucas most idiotic ideas, his midichlorian trash. I think i'll pass.
Why can’t people just enjoy this instead of talk about it being made into a dumb movie
All in all, I'm glad this was decanonized, but there are some interesting ideas I could see returning to canon.
Darth Bane The Ysalamiri for one. That's how it's spelled I think. And the idea the Force could really be tilted in that way, like I've mentioned before. The concept of the Force flip-flopping between light and dark is too simplistic too.
Darth Bane I really don't think Holdo is actually force sensitive. I take what Laura said to mean she was part of a force religion. If he is force sensitive then that is dumb and deserves to be ignored.
To each their own, but I prefer Plagueis unbalancing the Force as a one of a kind event over the new films idea of Force spawning new Light/Dark-siders to balance out the number/power. I mean where was the Force when there were two Sith Lords and a ton of Inquisitors, with only a handful of Jedi for over 20 years? Or even better, when there were two Sith lords at a time and tens of thousands Jedi for a thousand years (also the case in the new canon)?
With the idea that Plagueis created the imbalance, and Sidious supported it until Anakin killed him, Anakin remains the Chosen One who made a difference. In the new films Anakin's sacrifice barely means anything, because the balance is still all wibbly-wobbly with Force spawning insta-Force-users like Rey and possibly the broom-kid, and Luke ended up a failure (unlike the old canon).
I prefer "Legends" timeline, canon or not canon.
Why do people keep assuming that because Rey is growing in power to match Kylo, that the Force also does that in the reverse order? It doesn't imply that at all!
Darth Bane Precisely. The Force wouldn't strengthen the imbalance to balance itself, it makes no sense.