People need to stop disrespecting Kobe man. Team USA couldn't win without this man. The only player that has claim over Kobe as the Greatest Lakers is Magic, and as Magic said, Kobe is the Lakers.
@@Big_3000 ok thanks for what you were able to give.. Was just curious...he was big back when I was in high school...and I rarely listen to or follow anything esp related.. But what had me curious ..billboard top 10 most influential rappers list a few years back completely left him out.. So when I seen your comment I had to wonder ....why he's not really respected or talked about anymore. I do suspect caus he spoke of the HORROR of what goes on in streets instead of glorify it.. That's not part of the modern plan to create more crime Thanks, was just curious.
@@Scaley_Reptile yeah and one thing I’ll say is that I’ve RARELY ever seen Tupac hate, but in the rare times I do, it’s usually about something he said that might’ve hurt a specific person or group. It was never about his music because it was universally revered, and so was Tupac(not at the time he was living as he’d get in some trouble with the law, but after his death).
I think that Kobe is the best LA Laker of all time. However, the people that watched him and Magic in their prime, even a blind man can see Kobe's the greatest Laker. The GOAT of Los Angeles Basketball and 2nd best in NBA history. (#5 Magic) (#4 Kareem) (#3 - LeBron) (#2 - Kobe) (#1 - MJ.) From the Association.
@@manz7860 Preach Dayum lol I never went _that_ far to compare him any sense to D Fish.... but to consider it, yes - Fisher is def more beloved by true Lakers fans. Fisher was a truly clutch performer and the best guard in the league at taking charges - LeFlop could have learned a lesson or two from Fish's play style.
If you wanna argue that Kobe isn't the BEST Laker, okay fine, have your preference.... But to deny that he isn't top 5 is CRAAAAAAAAAAZY 🤣 Still it does speak to how OP an all time Lakers squad is compared to any other All Time team in the NBA.
Ummm... ok... Celtics all time starting 5... Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Bill Russel, Bob Cousy, John Havlicek (I'm not gonna use Pistol Pete even though he did play a bit with the Celtics)... and you can also add players like Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce who were a damn good squad... Ok, Lakers have better players but there are other teams with great rosters too... not to mention that just the fact that Larry Bird is there, in a matchup 5v5 he'd still take on the whole Lakers squad and give them a run for their money just cause Larry Legend was that bad a motherfucker... hahahaha... Also, all time Sixers would be Allen Iverson, Dr J, Moses Malone, Charles Barkley and Mo Cheeks... still competitive...
@@jonwifebeaterjones6389 I'll see your list and raise you Magic, Kobe, Baylor, Kareem and Shaq as starters with Jerry West, Bron, Worthy Anthony Davis and Wilt coming off the bench. The Lakers all time are just too OP because we buy so many of our championships, that's why we've won so many titles and are rightfully so hated. We're the New York Yankees of basketball 🤔
@@earam88 honestly 😂 he should have said don’t say anything bad about Kobe or I’ll be in my feelings. Kobe’s my favourite player all time and as his fan I know we need to have tough skin and getting in your feelings about things you deem as negativity towards him wil have you arguing with every other person
@@earam88 bro there no argument we been through this million of times yes kobe is the best laker ever IDC what no one says this man is dead and gone let him rest all this talk about he not this he not that just stop
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If we are counting his work as GM, jerry west clears them all because he helped build the showtime lakers and the kobe shaq era in addition to his stellar career as a player
Even Jerry West would call Kobe Bryant the greatest Laker who has ever lived. Calling Kobe the greatest Laker to ever live isn't disrespectful of West, Magic, Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Worthy, Elgin, or Mikan. They would probably all agree, accept for maybe Wilt, and Kareem since those two were always a little bit hard headed.
@@petep5207 Humility is one thing but he isn't the only former Laker to say Kobe is the greatest. Shaq said it. Magic said it. Kareem said it. When there is a bunch of former legends calling that one legend the greatest, it's probably true
It disgusts me when anyone say's that he isn't the greatest Laker, or is at least tied with Magic as the greatest Laker. The Lakers wouldn't be considered the most successful franchise without Kobe. Without Kobe, they probably would have had maybe 1 or 0 championships in the last 30+ years. There is only one of the guy in the entire history of basketball that is comparable to Kobe, and that is the GOAT himself, MJ.
@@donavonhoward114 without kobe they would have had shaq winning atleast one and lebron winning one. But yeah hes one of greatest lakers but magic is better. He did win 2 more mvps, 1 more finals mvp and he was steal and assists champ multiple times. The guy in the video just straight up discredits the accolades that magic has over him saying "yeah he has more but what it comes down to is the 5 rings vs 5 rings" like nah bro the accolades all matter especially when you're singling out players. And then mentions longevity like magic didn't retire early do to his condition. Kobe is the second greatest laker but magic without a doubt is the greatest laker.
@@donavonhoward114 so we just gonna ignore the fact that kobe underperformed in most of his finals series? Kobe was usually great in the playoffs, but his production and efficiency dropped off in the finals, especially in 2004. They lost that series because of Kobe. Shaq was significantly better than Kobe in all three finals of their three peat. Compare that to magic, who was the distant best in the 1982 and 1987 championships, and an extremely close 2nd in 1980, 1985, and 1988. 1984 is the only stain of Magic's playoff career. Don't get me wrong, Kobe is the 2nd greatest laker all time, but magic is better.
Counting the work history of Jerry West I think Kobe is a spot below Top 5 1. Magic Johnson 2. Kareem 3.Jerry West 4. Wilt Chamberlain 5. Shaquille Oneal I think its fair if people would want to argue a switch between Shaq and Kobe
Shaq said he and Wilt are the most dominant Lakers and Kobe and Magic are the greatest Lakers overall. Magic said Kobe is the greatest Laker ever. What more is there for a player to do be called top 3 greatest of all time? He is the only one to be called most like Mike.
I mean I get what you’re saying but using what other players have said to rate a player personally is a terrible argument. Most people would say Giannis is the best player in the league but Giannis himself has said Lebron, KD, and Curry are the best player in the league over the past 2 years. Never once has he said himself. As great as Kobe was from a statistics and accomplishments pov it’s hard to argue him over a player like Kareem for top 3. I’d argue Kobe is the greater laker, not the better player.
Thank you for this video and thank you for your Lebron take. As a lifelong Laker fan I can NOT call Lebron a Laker great. To me he just plays for the Lakers. His run has been miserable. We honestly got the worst version of Lebron. The older one.
Kobe is my favorite athlete ever. But Magic is the greatest Laker ever, followed by Kobe. But if u put Kobe 1st I'm good wit that too. But Rob Parker say shit just to be relevant. Bc he say the dumbest shit.
I give Kobe the edge for winning b2b titles with Gasol and Odom - both were players who never won a single playoff game before teaming up with Kobe. It is also criminal how undervalued his role in the '00-02 Threepeat is. Shaq fouled out in several pivotal games in those runs, and Kobe became the best road playoff performer in the league by age 21. Shaq wasn't winning dick before Kobe, and got one lone chip without him on a stacked Heat roster overflowing with former and current All-Stars and specialists. I rest my case...
@@shaft9000 you absolutely right about that. But people gone always mention those 3 Kobe got wit Shaq. I say Magic bc he came in and won all the rip. And to ur point about Shaq, as great as Kareem was, he didn't do dick with the Lakers before Magic got there.
@@youngmaster4892 no argument from me. Hell he’s my favorite player ever and he was better than magic and more skilled. I just don’t think he was greater than Magic. And I’m sure you’re well educated and know the difference
George Mikan set the foundation for the Lakers. Gave them hope to be a franchise and the first guy to dominate the league. Oh and it was a time where there was no flagrant fouls. No private jets. Still put up 28PPG and 14RPG.
Mikan shot something like 40% from the field as a center. I will acknowledge his importance as being one of the Lakers and league's first big superstar but I can't consider him the greatest Laker. He also played on 6 or 7 seasons in the league. He also played at a time when there definitely weren't too many people his height in the league. It's very tough to rank him.
@@ariefraiser140 where is this idea of a lack of height? The league has never lacked giants. It's lacked athletic guards but tall dudes were in the league from day one. But yes in 7 years Mikan won 5 titles. He was by far the most dominate player.
@@topshelfdustin3300 Average height of NBA players in Mikan's time was around 6'2. Today it's about 6'7. The league has always had tall players sure but in the past it didn't have as many tall players.
I personally have Magic as the greatest Laker but Kobe is right behind him. The points made in the video are great but when I think of the Lakers I personally see Magic. If you have Kobe below 3 you need to give your head a shake. For people who like Kobe at #1 I'm good with that too. He was crazy good and deserves all the respect we can give.
Kobe gave his ENTIRE Life to The Game & Stayed with the Same Team when he could’ve left he Automatically makes top 5 Wilt Chamberlain, Kobe, Magic, Kareem, Shaq Top 5 Lakers
Counting the work history of Jerry West I think Kobe is a spot below Top 5 1. Magic Johnson 2. Kareem 3.Jerry West 4. Wilt Chamberlain 5. Shaquille Oneal I think its fair if people would want to argue a switch between Shaq and Kobe
@@CrownedComander09 but putting wilt and west above Kobe who were way less successful should automatically disqualify that list and expose the fact that u don't like Kobe🤷♂️
@@mr.perfect1749 I mean how can you disrespect Kobe that much? The guy who saved him in the redeem team by making the shot to end the game in the final vs Spain.
@@DsLmaNiaC Bruh I'm talking about how lebron and Klutch Sports has paid the media off to lie to fans and tear down legends so how am I disrespecting Kobe by telling people what his paid puppets in the media has done to Kobe and others
@@DsLmaNiaC My bad bruh the thing is I want lebron fans to notice something whenever his team is losing and the media bash his teammates mainly the scapegoat for the year why lebron never speak up for that teammate or call his buddy Shannon Sharpe and tell them to chill out bashing his teammate?? If they could think about this for a minute and using street smarts it would tell them everything they need to know about lebron
Kobe Bryant is the goat in LA and always will be Magic Johnson was good Kareem was good Shack was good! Kobe Bryant KB was the best the greatest ever in La I didn't see Magic Johnson or anybody else drop 81 points in one game!
Kobe is the greatest laker ever. Played in much tougher era with togher competition, he is better offensive player than Magic, one of the 2 or 3 greatest scorer this game has ever seen, without a doubt better defender than Magic and for me Kobe's titles are more worthy than Magic and if we are realistic Kobe is only top 20 player who spent prime years of his career i the terrible supporting cast. Kobe deserved at least 2 MVPs in his career, at least 2. Also Kobe has longevity, even if you use their MVPs and Finals MVPs (they aren't always legit and don't show always who is better), but Kobe played for this team for 20 years while Magic player only 12 years or something like that. I'm sorry, but we should also talk about longevity, not just fake MVP and Finals MVP narratives. Kobe has scored the most points for one fransize than any other playrr in the history. And he could have even much more if he wasn't injured.
You nailed the Kobe vs Magic debate of who’s the better Laker. Magic never received the criticism of not winning without Kareem yet Kobe still deals with the “Shaq 3 FMVP” issue. Even when Magic and Jeanie say Kobe is the greatest Laker the media wanna downplay it. Kobe’s competition was the toughest and later on in his career won with less help
@@randywhitehead6612 Magic had Kareem, James Worthy who’s one of the best 6 man and won a Finals MVP. Kareem won a Finals MVP and shoudve won it during Magic’s rookie year. Kobe didn’t win until he got Pau bc the whole roster was garbage before and his only good teammate for 3-4 years lost Shaq was Lamar Odom. Magic western conference was weak and Larry’s Eastern conference was tougher. Kobe’s conference had 7-8 50+ win teams in the west don’t let the media make you forget how good Kobe actually was
because no one ever put Magic next to MJ so how is Kobe even top 5 when he wasn't even the best player on most of his rings, but we can name more players who are?
@@randywhitehead6612 you a Old head that is stuck in the 80s Smoking crack and snortin lines. dude said Pau Gasol as if whoever you talking about did it alone.
Top 5 lakers? 1- Magic 2- Kobe 3- Kareem 4- Shaq 5- Wilt So, I agree that Kobe ain't a top 5 laker. He's at least number 2. And it's debatable if Kareem is at 3rd or 4th position. Just my opinion.
I remember Derek Fisher, Robert Horry, Brian Shaw bailing those two out with series blockbuster shots more than Kobe ever made in close playoff games. Kobe only has 1 career playoff buzzer beater, was he really that clutch? Lol
The fact that they put Lebron on that list is a confession of sorts, by extension: in these times, they say Lebron is the best only because we're in his times, he generates emotions, sells t-shirts, makes money, endorsements, etc. In a few years someone else will enter the conversation about the GOAT and we'll all know that STILL Jordan is the best. Lebron doesn't make a list of the 50 greatest Lakers of all time. He is great, the greatest cavalier of all time, the second heat of all time, but not one of the greatest Lakers of all time
@@gggyy7104 He is great, but not a great LAKER, in 4 seasons, the Lakers have qualified 1 time for playoffs. So, you tell me, what's great in that? I know, I know that hurts your loving, in loved with Lebron, feelings, but you can't argue with that, period
Lebron is not on my top 10 Lakers list. All he did was a Mickey Mouse ring, destroyed the Franchise by getting rid of all their assets and money, and stat padding
@@mattmmixes And Mikan. Definitely Mikan over LeBron, and it isn't remotely close. ...and then there is Worthy, Gasol, Fisher, Cooper, Scott, Nixon, Mikelson and arguably AD.
Magic led the team in APG. Out 13 seasons magic had 10 Magical moments. How many moments do you think Kobe had. Even in his last game (old, tired, wornout, hurt) he gave us 60 points and a win. Magic was great but Kobe was video game awesome!
Kobe and Magic are the top two. Btw who is Rob Parker this is one of reasons I stopped watching these talking heads years ago. I remember Max Kellerman trying to say that Kawhi was more clutch than Kobe and all Jwill said was name a moment that support your claim and he couldn’t. He got called out on his own show without the receipts at that point I was done. All theses dudes disrespect Kobe like he was a bum, they must not remember in the finals in 2000 when Shaq fouled out a 22year old Kobe lead the lakers to a tough Room win in Indiana by scoring all the clutch points and blocking shots in overtime. We continue to hear how Lebron lead Cleveland to the finals as a 22 year old the media is so unfair to him even in death. Rip mamba
Whatever order you prefer, it's no debate with me that Magic and Kobe are the greatest LAL ever. I can't put Shaq above him because when he was in his dominant prime all the great Centers we're all washed or retired. So he had a playground to do whatever he wanted for a good 3 yrs. It was much more difficult for Kobe entering his prime as he had to play against and guard some of the best SG and SFs of all time during those Lakers years.
Your middle statement is the big elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about. Prior to, Shaq was routinely getting swept and outplayed it the playoffs by other big men.
Shaq can’t help who he played. He lost to Hakeem, who is the greatest center of all time and a top ten player. Who did Kobe go up against. All the elite perimeter players were on the east coast, while Kobe went one on one with nobodies, while shaq got double and tripled teamed. And he still failed to shoot a efficient percentage. Shaq was the better player throughout the dynasty and he was still better than Kobe 05 and and 06
@@judahmourneth3211 dude stop. Your mentioning of pre Laker days is completely irrelevant. The guard and forward position wasn't nearly as lopsided as you're trying to portray between conferences. On the other hand, all elite centers from both conferences were all but done so it's not even a debate who had tougher competition at their position during these times. During the 3peat Kobe overall playoff averages were like 28 ppg on like 44% shooting which was pretty goddamn good especially during that time. He also was moreso than not guarding the best players, so knock it off. Shaq better than Kobe in 05 and 06?? Yeah you definitely must be some bored triggered troll or something.
Its Magic over Kobe easy, had Magic not gotten HIV he wouldve played far longer, cant hold that against Kobe but one is considered the greatest point guard of all time and the other is Kobe. Magic 5 titles in one decade, Kobe took 2 decades to get his 5.
I personally think Rob Parker must have some sort of hatred towards Kobe maybe Kobe said something to him in the past or did something to wear he has this show and not something bigger
Saying Kobe is not a top-five Laker is one of the stupidest things you can say. I’m so tired of the Kobe Bryant disrespect. It really does feel like people are trying to erase his accomplishments. Look Michael Jordan is the goat and I don’t think anyone that isn’t one of these LeBron James fans that are just obsessed with him understand that. And I’m not a LeBron James hater I like LeBron but most of the people that say he’s the greatest of all time don’t even go back to watch basketball the 3 decades prior. Do you have that to be like “who’s the goat Michael Jordan or LeBron James ” I think it’s so disrespectful to Kobe because to me LeBron has never really passed Kobe let alone Michael. I’m sick of the argument being “well out of Kobe’s five championships he was only the MVP for two of them” Do you know who another Laker great is that some people say is the greatest Laker that also 15 championships that also had only two finals MVPs? Magic Johnson. Do we not give credit to Magic for three of those championships because he was only ate two time MVP winner? No of course not that sounds ridiculous if you say that about Magic Johnson then how come when we talk about Kobe in the exact same way with the exact same amount of rings with the same amount of finals MVPs do we hold that against Kobe but we don’t hold it against Johnson? I think normal sane people don’t, I think it’s these people that have agendas that conveniently leave certain things out of the argument because it’ll make their argument look ridiculous.
I wasn't a Kobe fan and I didn't consider him a top 10 player, however saying he's not a top 5 Laker is outlandish. A decade ago, I had Kobe as the third greatest Laker behind Magic Johnson and Jerry West. The last few years of Kobe's career and his longevity makes it hard to not put him above Jerry West. As all time players, Shaq and Kareem would rank higher, although as Laker, Kobe achieved more.
The person who creates this channel relies too much on stats, assuming that the "status quo" was the same in every era. Magic's Lakers played in an NBA with less teams, more talent on each team in the league, and more developed talent, because players stayed in college longer so when they entered the league players were better. I taught statistics in high school. Stats can be made to say whatever you want. It does not make them right without context. For example, how do you measure Bird's toughness and last second shooting? How do you measure the impact Bird and Magic had on the NBA? They saved the league...literally. Kareem was great and Dr. J was exciting, but the league was dying with those two greats. Magic and Bird changed that. How do your stats measure that? Like Jordan, Kobe needed certain teammates to be successful. Bird and Magic could play with anybody and make those teammates better players. How do stats measure that? Answer: they don't.
Easily. Magic wasn't better player than Kobe and he hadn't even better career than Kobe for this team. Kobe has scored the most points for one fransize than anyone other in the history, Kobe played 20 years for Lakers while Magic played only 12 or something like that... MVPs and Finals MVPs are trash, they don't show always who is better player. First of all Kobe deserved at least 2 MVPs in his career, at least 2, he spent prime of his career with terrible suporting cast while Magic had Kareem since his rookie season. Magic would never won more than 1 MVP in Kobe's era. 2000s were by far the most comeptitive years and the best years for basketball, soo many 50+ teams and soo many great legends on the same place: Shaq, Duncan, Iverson, Garnett, Kidd, Nash, Dirk, Ray, Pierce etc, etc, etc... For me Kobe's career in the Lakers is by far more worthy and more impressive than any other Laker.
I don’t even think he’s all time for Miami. The Miami Heat is Wade County and they probably cherish Wade more than Bron. Bron has that kinda love in Cleveland im sure.
The underhanded down talk on magic in this is CRAZY. Not talking about vs Bird vs Isiah is crazy. I still got Kobe over Magic but the way this is broken down is crazzzzzy. Magic is INSANE.
There are like at least 5 player playing right now that are better than him... Sick of this "mamba mentality" bs. I go on facts, not emotions. He was an ineffective volumeshooter(44%/33%/83%), avg. defender. Aweful in the clutch. Making 20% of game winning buzzer-beaters. Yes, please watch the actual games, not highlight reels.
@@sanderlange1932 stfu you don't know basketball, those fools you supposedly talking about will tell you they are nowhere near Kobe's level and haven't won as much of even have a three-peat under their belt. Pls shut up.
In stead of basing your argument on analytics, how about focusing on their skills? Based on skills alone, Kobe is the best Laker, or at worst, he's somewhere in the top three with Magic and Kareem. The who beat what team argument is weak and was never used before the Lebron is the goat argument started. I still don't hear anyone using that argument when talking about the early Celtics or Lakers championships.
Outstanding video, my brother. I an unequivocally tell you that Rob Parker doesn't even believe the nonsense that he speaks about Kobe. He wants to be a contrarian to generate discussion and debate, which helps his podcast.
Mans was 2 short minutes away from having his first full video without hating on Lebron but he couldn’t hold it 😂 and going as low as siding with Rob P to do it
It wasn't hating on LeBron though, it was just stating what should be obvious. Since LeBron joined the lakers they have missed the playoffs twice and gone above .500 twice. He's won a championship and FMVP sure but there are a lot of lakers who have done more. The best Cav? Definitely. The best of the Heat? Sure, I can see that argument but there are plenty of people who've been better for the lakers.
@@tomfurey9062 He didn’t even need to mention Bron the video was entirely about Kobe but he his name is this dudes favorite flavor lol On top of that he’s wayyy wrong. It’s not hating to say he’s not number 1, or even top 5. But not top 10? He took one of the worst teams in the league to a chip and back to being relevant in only a few years, and is a few good trades from another. Even if they blow it up they’re getting a ton of value through trades. He did that as the only person in the top 10 to not play with others in the top 10 while on the lakers (some played with several at the same time). To put him under players that never lead a team and could be replaced by any allstar, players who wouldn’t be in the hall without multiple prime hall of famers, and players that wouldn’t even make the league now is hating in context.
@@B00MR0ASt3D yeah this guy is clearly biased. When he spent little to no time talking about how Kobe wasn't even the best player on his own team for three of his championships I already knew what time it was. Mentioning LeBron was completely not necessary
Lakers have had some of the best players of all time, and really have a disproportionate amount of the top 20 or so players. But Kobe’s def a top 5-10 player all time and certainly a top five laker. This is a bad take.
Kobe bled purple and gold. I would not feel any disrespect if someone said Magic or even Jerry west. But if you ask both of them they both have said Kobe is the greatest laker. Who knows better than your own peers? I don't care what any analyst says.
Lol! Magic Johnson himself said "Kobe was the greatest Laker and further stated Kobe was BETTER than he was! So if Magic said it, I will take Magic's word for it!
Rob Parker and Nick Wright seem to have some personal hatred for Kobe. If not for the love of sports, I probably would stop watching those guys. Their Kobe takes have been TERRIBLE. Rob I think downplays Kobe because he views Jordan as the goat and for whatever reason these people feel if someone is even talked about as being close they get offended and disrespect the player. As for Nick, he does the same but in favor of LeBron. The only thing Rob said that made sense is that LeBron is not top 10. But you can't say Kobe is not even a top 5 Laker when the man went to 3 straight finals TWICE. Won 5 rings in his 20 year career. Was a crucial second best player in 3 of them and the best in 2. He is talking like Kobe was a role player in the 3peat and never won again after that. Or was a bench player in all 5. IDIOT.
@@str8duval Well he literally hates putting anything sort of respect on Kobe's name. I don't even think he has Kobe in his all time top 10. But I know for a fact he has said multiple times LeBron is the 2nd greatest player. He will throw shade on LeBron yes but at least he shows him respect.
Never heard of that dude that said it but it is his opinion even though it don’t matter. His opinion is irrelevant. Kobe like Magic loyal and stayed a whole career there and had great runs. To not be a top five is just a clown putting on a circus
Who did the Lakers beat in the finals with Shaq and Kobe again?? And who did Kobe and pao beat in the finals again?? And why aren't you mentioning who magics Lakers beat in the finals please explain to me why aren't you throwing that oh that's right it's not helping your argument
This why I stopped watching rob Parker n Nick Broussard cause they both love haters. Rob don’t know basketball n Nick bias… you sound like a young man but you’ve done your due diligence and sound knowledge able 👏🏿
Kobe is my top 3 all time ! AND LEBRON IS NOT TOP 10 !! All time laker And you didn’t even bring up ROAD TO FINALS ! Kobe had the hardest road to the finals ALL TIME ! Also Kobe average 27 and 30+ in the playoffs with Shaq….not back for a guy who literally plays robin …..I know guys in the NBA who people call super stars don’t even avg 25 in the playoffs!
The teams Magic beat in the 80's Finals were far greater than those that Kobe won. The 80's 76, Celtics and Pistons were better any of those 2000's teams the Lakers beat.
We need to hear these "analyst's" resumes before we hear their opinions. You'll probably find most only played football in highschool and maybe played basketball in the driveway a few times. It literally takes the entry level of knowledge to become an analyst
I agreed with everything he said until he said Shaq couldn't get one without kobe I don't agree with that if Penny was healthy I believe they would have won a championship and Shaq did win one without kobe
Kobe Bryant is the greatest Laker James doesn't belong up there. Lakers made the right choice when they had to choose between Shaq or Kobe. Yes Shaq won a title in his 1st year with Miami. But that Heat team with the exception of Wade. Had a really good team especially when Shaq came over when Mourning had to take a back seat due to his health. But Kobe ended up winning 2 out of 3 straight NBA Finals with a couple of the players. Miami sent over for Shaq. Trading for Pau,then after winning the championship over the Magic letting Trevor Ariza go. So that Kobe can get Ron Artest to become a more dominant defensive team and get revenge on The Celtics was genius. Kobe Bryant will always have bragging rights over Shaq. He tied Shaq and when they beat Orlando. But Kobe Bryant put the Icing on the cake by not only getting the 5th Ring but he and his squad did it against the most hated team the Lakers will always be rivals with. The Boston Celtics. No one ever brings that up. I bet that Shaq would have love to have beaten the Celtics for a Championship. He only had one against the Lakers other rival from the East in Philly. But I'll bet that Shaq would trade the Indiana or New Jersey ring for a Win against the Celtics.
Being the only one who almost perfectly copied what everyone trying to be,and got humiliated in front of everybody with that infamous mike's " trash talk", kobe took it personal,and vow to surepass mike.he tried to put fear,like how others feel when they play against mike,concentration,efforts,etc.. ONE THING why there's sadness in those eyes? He failed 2 three peet.
People need to stop disrespecting Kobe man. Team USA couldn't win without this man.
The only player that has claim over Kobe as the Greatest Lakers is Magic, and as Magic said, Kobe is the Lakers.
LeBron fans: "bUt KoBe WASn'T the BeST sCOreR oN thE TEam"
@@m4sterbr0s man I be telling come back when bron drop more than 81 in a game🤣🤣
@@m4sterbr0s rent free 😂😂😂
Kobe, Kareem, Shaq, Magic, West, in that order
@@NoName-bb2pu magic 4rth ?
Kobe haunts his haters like 2Pac I swear. R.I.P. to the Late Great Kobe Bryant.
Wht do ppl hate on Tupac?
He does.
@@Scaley_Reptile idk maybe it was cause he often spoke on some sensitive topics and kept it very real.
@@Big_3000 ok thanks for what you were able to give..
Was just curious...he was big back when I was in high school...and I rarely listen to or follow anything esp related..
But what had me curious ..billboard top 10 most influential rappers list a few years back completely left him out..
So when I seen your comment I had to wonder ....why he's not really respected or talked about anymore.
I do suspect caus he spoke of the HORROR of what goes on in streets instead of glorify it..
That's not part of the modern plan to create more crime
Thanks, was just curious.
@@Scaley_Reptile yeah and one thing I’ll say is that I’ve RARELY ever seen Tupac hate, but in the rare times I do, it’s usually about something he said that might’ve hurt a specific person or group. It was never about his music because it was universally revered, and so was Tupac(not at the time he was living as he’d get in some trouble with the law, but after his death).
It's crazy how people don't take defense into consideration wen describing a great player
so you got wilt as number 1?
@@topshelfdustin3300 Magic
@@alwensday8120 so defense doesn't matter at all to you then?
Skill wise and the mentality to do whatever it takes to win. Kobe all year long as the best Laker ever.
I think that Kobe is the best LA Laker of all time. However, the people that watched him and Magic in their prime, even a blind man can see Kobe's the greatest Laker. The GOAT of Los Angeles Basketball and 2nd best in NBA history. (#5 Magic) (#4 Kareem) (#3 - LeBron) (#2 - Kobe) (#1 - MJ.) From the Association.
Magic did more for L.A. in way less time
No way LBJ should be on an all time Lakers list.
He's not even above Pau Gasol. Even Derek Fisher was more of a laker legend.
@@manz7860 Preach
Dayum lol I never went _that_ far to compare him any sense to D Fish.... but to consider it, yes - Fisher is def more beloved by true Lakers fans. Fisher was a truly clutch performer and the best guard in the league at taking charges - LeFlop could have learned a lesson or two from Fish's play style.
I think top 10 is ok but ahead of Mikan and Worthy is a stretch.
If anything he's a cavalier but other than that not even top 10 laker lol.
@@larrybrown7874 100%
If you wanna argue that Kobe isn't the BEST Laker, okay fine, have your preference....
But to deny that he isn't top 5 is CRAAAAAAAAAAZY 🤣
Still it does speak to how OP an all time Lakers squad is compared to any other All Time team in the NBA.
Ummm... ok... Celtics all time starting 5... Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Bill Russel, Bob Cousy, John Havlicek (I'm not gonna use Pistol Pete even though he did play a bit with the Celtics)... and you can also add players like Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce who were a damn good squad...
Ok, Lakers have better players but there are other teams with great rosters too... not to mention that just the fact that Larry Bird is there, in a matchup 5v5 he'd still take on the whole Lakers squad and give them a run for their money just cause Larry Legend was that bad a motherfucker... hahahaha...
Also, all time Sixers would be Allen Iverson, Dr J, Moses Malone, Charles Barkley and Mo Cheeks... still competitive...
@@sportschool3537 and charles in his prime was a sun
@@jonwifebeaterjones6389 I'll see your list and raise you Magic, Kobe, Baylor, Kareem and Shaq as starters with Jerry West, Bron, Worthy Anthony Davis and Wilt coming off the bench.
The Lakers all time are just too OP because we buy so many of our championships, that's why we've won so many titles and are rightfully so hated. We're the New York Yankees of basketball 🤔
@@jonwifebeaterjones6389 stockton and malone on the nuggets??
@@eg7167 sry got it all the way messed up lol mistook the jazz for the Nuggets. Happens to me with the grizzlies and Timberwolves too
We can’t forget Kobe was sat on the bench for the first three years of his career and he still got all the stats they need to put respect on his name
Kobe sat on the bench for his first season. his second season he was a 6 man, his third season he started
@@terrenceliburd8655 I literally heard Kobe say those words. So your he’s lying.
@@sonofdasunn9046you can look it up it’s tru lol
Let this Man rest in peace he one of the best lakers in history
is he not resting in peace because of a mans opinions? lol
@@earam88 honestly 😂 he should have said don’t say anything bad about Kobe or I’ll be in my feelings. Kobe’s my favourite player all time and as his fan I know we need to have tough skin and getting in your feelings about things you deem as negativity towards him wil have you arguing with every other person
*The greatest laker ever 🤷♂️
@@earam88 bro there no argument we been through this million of times yes kobe is the best laker ever IDC what no one says this man is dead and gone let him rest all this talk about he not this he not that just stop
@@presidentialkingdom2201 Why I gotta be in my feelings all because I said let man rest in peace like come on
Rob Parker's IQ has not once exceeded 99, even on his best day.
One of life's greatest challenges - however rarely met - is to not underestimate how stupid _anyone_ can be, at least some of the time.
Carlo Cipolla's _The 5 Basic Laws of Stupidity_ essay is a treasure you can get for free with a simple search. 🙂
Clowns provide free entertainment.
99 is a sold 30 over screaming A smith.
The average is way below 100.
If we are counting his work as GM, jerry west clears them all because he helped build the showtime lakers and the kobe shaq era in addition to his stellar career as a player
Even Jerry West would call Kobe Bryant the greatest Laker who has ever lived. Calling Kobe the greatest Laker to ever live isn't disrespectful of West, Magic, Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Worthy, Elgin, or Mikan. They would probably all agree, accept for maybe Wilt, and Kareem since those two were always a little bit hard headed.
@@donavonhoward114 that is called humility...but it is west. sorry, just facts
@@petep5207 i agree jerry west deserves so much credit
@@petep5207 Humility is one thing but he isn't the only former Laker to say Kobe is the greatest. Shaq said it. Magic said it. Kareem said it. When there is a bunch of former legends calling that one legend the greatest, it's probably true
I agree 💯
kobe is definitely the greatest laker ever
It disgusts me when anyone say's that he isn't the greatest Laker, or is at least tied with Magic as the greatest Laker. The Lakers wouldn't be considered the most successful franchise without Kobe. Without Kobe, they probably would have had maybe 1 or 0 championships in the last 30+ years. There is only one of the guy in the entire history of basketball that is comparable to Kobe, and that is the GOAT himself, MJ.
@@donavonhoward114 without kobe they would have had shaq winning atleast one and lebron winning one. But yeah hes one of greatest lakers but magic is better. He did win 2 more mvps, 1 more finals mvp and he was steal and assists champ multiple times. The guy in the video just straight up discredits the accolades that magic has over him saying "yeah he has more but what it comes down to is the 5 rings vs 5 rings" like nah bro the accolades all matter especially when you're singling out players. And then mentions longevity like magic didn't retire early do to his condition. Kobe is the second greatest laker but magic without a doubt is the greatest laker.
@@donavonhoward114 so we just gonna ignore the fact that kobe underperformed in most of his finals series? Kobe was usually great in the playoffs, but his production and efficiency dropped off in the finals, especially in 2004. They lost that series because of Kobe. Shaq was significantly better than Kobe in all three finals of their three peat. Compare that to magic, who was the distant best in the 1982 and 1987 championships, and an extremely close 2nd in 1980, 1985, and 1988. 1984 is the only stain of Magic's playoff career. Don't get me wrong, Kobe is the 2nd greatest laker all time, but magic is better.
nah. He isnt.
Counting the work history of Jerry West I think Kobe is a spot below Top 5
1. Magic Johnson 2. Kareem 3.Jerry West 4. Wilt Chamberlain 5. Shaquille Oneal
I think its fair if people would want to argue a switch between Shaq and Kobe
#1 Kobe
# Magic
#3 Kareem
#4 Wilt Chamberlin
#5 Jerry West
Its a mute point after Top 5
I’d put Shaq over Wilt
West at #3 Kareem at #4
Baylor, Mikan or Shaq instead of Wilt at #5
Shaq over Wilt. I think Elgin Baylor over Kareem tbh.
@@mattmmixes Thats fair. They were both dominate for their era.
Shaq said he and Wilt are the most dominant Lakers and Kobe and Magic are the greatest Lakers overall. Magic said Kobe is the greatest Laker ever. What more is there for a player to do be called top 3 greatest of all time? He is the only one to be called most like Mike.
What about Kareem?
@@hristijandimitrovski8664 except for Magic Kareem was probably the greatest Laker or Jerry West
@@melvynsngltn27 nah. None of them is better than Kobe🤣none of them, I'm sorry.
@@melvynsngltn27 you from LA by chance? Cuz no one is agreeing wit that respectfully.
I mean I get what you’re saying but using what other players have said to rate a player personally is a terrible argument. Most people would say Giannis is the best player in the league but Giannis himself has said Lebron, KD, and Curry are the best player in the league over the past 2 years. Never once has he said himself. As great as Kobe was from a statistics and accomplishments pov it’s hard to argue him over a player like Kareem for top 3. I’d argue Kobe is the greater laker, not the better player.
Thank you for this video and thank you for your Lebron take. As a lifelong Laker fan I can NOT call Lebron a Laker great. To me he just plays for the Lakers. His run has been miserable. We honestly got the worst version of Lebron. The older one.
Facts
There are countless NBA greats that the Lakers got the worst version of. Lebron simply counts among them.
Kobe is my favorite athlete ever. But Magic is the greatest Laker ever, followed by Kobe. But if u put Kobe 1st I'm good wit that too. But Rob Parker say shit just to be relevant. Bc he say the dumbest shit.
Facts, even if you don’t think Kobe is the greatest Laker it’s weird behavior to not call him top ten
I give Kobe the edge for winning b2b titles with Gasol and Odom - both were players who never won a single playoff game before teaming up with Kobe.
It is also criminal how undervalued his role in the '00-02 Threepeat is. Shaq fouled out in several pivotal games in those runs, and Kobe became the best road playoff performer in the league by age 21.
Shaq wasn't winning dick before Kobe, and got one lone chip without him on a stacked Heat roster overflowing with former and current All-Stars and specialists.
I rest my case...
@@shaft9000 you absolutely right about that. But people gone always mention those 3 Kobe got wit Shaq. I say Magic bc he came in and won all the rip. And to ur point about Shaq, as great as Kareem was, he didn't do dick with the Lakers before Magic got there.
Kobe shits on magic when it comes to skill and hunger to win
@@youngmaster4892 no argument from me. Hell he’s my favorite player ever and he was better than magic and more skilled. I just don’t think he was greater than Magic. And I’m sure you’re well educated and know the difference
George Mikan set the foundation for the Lakers. Gave them hope to be a franchise and the first guy to dominate the league. Oh and it was a time where there was no flagrant fouls. No private jets. Still put up 28PPG and 14RPG.
A guy who just knows...thank you
Mikan shot something like 40% from the field as a center. I will acknowledge his importance as being one of the Lakers and league's first big superstar but I can't consider him the greatest Laker. He also played on 6 or 7 seasons in the league. He also played at a time when there definitely weren't too many people his height in the league. It's very tough to rank him.
@@ariefraiser140 where is this idea of a lack of height? The league has never lacked giants. It's lacked athletic guards but tall dudes were in the league from day one. But yes in 7 years Mikan won 5 titles. He was by far the most dominate player.
@@topshelfdustin3300 Average height of NBA players in Mikan's time was around 6'2. Today it's about 6'7. The league has always had tall players sure but in the past it didn't have as many tall players.
@@ariefraiser140 the league actually had taller centers on average in the past.
I personally have Magic as the greatest Laker but Kobe is right behind him. The points made in the video are great but when I think of the Lakers I personally see Magic. If you have Kobe below 3 you need to give your head a shake. For people who like Kobe at #1 I'm good with that too. He was crazy good and deserves all the respect we can give.
Kobe gave his ENTIRE Life to The Game & Stayed with the Same Team when he could’ve left he Automatically makes top 5 Wilt Chamberlain, Kobe, Magic, Kareem, Shaq Top 5 Lakers
Nothing, but facts said here. RIP Kobe
Only argument over him is magic. That's it
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Counting the work history of Jerry West I think Kobe is a spot below Top 5
1. Magic Johnson 2. Kareem 3.Jerry West 4. Wilt Chamberlain 5. Shaquille Oneal
I think its fair if people would want to argue a switch between Shaq and Kobe
@@CrownedComander09 but putting wilt and west above Kobe who were way less successful should automatically disqualify that list and expose the fact that u don't like Kobe🤷♂️
Magic AND Kareem.
@@ariefraiser140 overall yes. As a laker purely? No. I can't say that.
The damage LeBron and his media have done to the fans is huge.
I been saying this for years his paid off media fanboys have destroyed basketball spewing nonsense tearing down legends just to prop Lebron up
@@mr.perfect1749 I mean how can you disrespect Kobe that much? The guy who saved him in the redeem team by making the shot to end the game in the final vs Spain.
@@DsLmaNiaC Bruh I'm talking about how lebron and Klutch Sports has paid the media off to lie to fans and tear down legends so how am I disrespecting Kobe by telling people what his paid puppets in the media has done to Kobe and others
@@mr.perfect1749 No i was not talking about you, I was talking about the media that disrespect Kobe.
@@DsLmaNiaC My bad bruh the thing is I want lebron fans to notice something whenever his team is losing and the media bash his teammates mainly the scapegoat for the year why lebron never speak up for that teammate or call his buddy Shannon Sharpe and tell them to chill out bashing his teammate?? If they could think about this for a minute and using street smarts it would tell them everything they need to know about lebron
Kobe Bryant is the goat in LA and always will be Magic Johnson was good Kareem was good Shack was good! Kobe Bryant KB was the best the greatest ever in La I didn't see Magic Johnson or anybody else drop 81 points in one game!
I got Magic #1, Kobe #2. Kobe being top 2 Laker is not arguable to me.
Kobe is the greatest laker ever. Played in much tougher era with togher competition, he is better offensive player than Magic, one of the 2 or 3 greatest scorer this game has ever seen, without a doubt better defender than Magic and for me Kobe's titles are more worthy than Magic and if we are realistic Kobe is only top 20 player who spent prime years of his career i the terrible supporting cast. Kobe deserved at least 2 MVPs in his career, at least 2. Also Kobe has longevity, even if you use their MVPs and Finals MVPs (they aren't always legit and don't show always who is better), but Kobe played for this team for 20 years while Magic player only 12 years or something like that. I'm sorry, but we should also talk about longevity, not just fake MVP and Finals MVP narratives. Kobe has scored the most points for one fransize than any other playrr in the history. And he could have even much more if he wasn't injured.
You nailed the Kobe vs Magic debate of who’s the better Laker. Magic never received the criticism of not winning without Kareem yet Kobe still deals with the “Shaq 3 FMVP” issue. Even when Magic and Jeanie say Kobe is the greatest Laker the media wanna downplay it. Kobe’s competition was the toughest and later on in his career won with less help
Not true,before his time was the toughest.Kobe did have a stacked team and coach,and didnt win again until Pau Gasol!
@@randywhitehead6612 Magic had Kareem, James Worthy who’s one of the best 6 man and won a Finals MVP. Kareem won a Finals MVP and shoudve won it during Magic’s rookie year. Kobe didn’t win until he got Pau bc the whole roster was garbage before and his only good teammate for 3-4 years lost Shaq was Lamar Odom. Magic western conference was weak and Larry’s Eastern conference was tougher. Kobe’s conference had 7-8 50+ win teams in the west don’t let the media make you forget how good Kobe actually was
because no one ever put Magic next to MJ so how is Kobe even top 5 when he wasn't even the best player on most of his rings, but we can name more players who are?
@@randywhitehead6612 you a Old head that is stuck in the 80s Smoking crack and snortin lines. dude said Pau Gasol as if whoever you talking about did it alone.
Kobe/Magic
Shaq/Kareem
Jerry
Elgin
Mikan
Wilt
Worthy
LeBron
Kobe is the GOAT of Lakers. He is top 5 all time. Rob Parker is desolunional.
Kobe is not top 5 All Time in the whole NBA history.
I'm not putting him over Magic, but he's Easily #2 or 3 with Jerry West
Kobe should be #1 and lebron shouldn’t be on the list
That less teammate help for Kobe I'ma have to disagree with
Magic had to have had the best eyes in his days because all his passes were mean 💯💯
Kobe far more athletic and powerful player than Magic. New level of performance.
Magic said Kobe is the greatest Laker and Kobe said Magic is the greatest Laker 😂
Stfu, doesn't mean sh**.
Weber mad af 🤣
This is not debatable
Kobe is the greatest Laker of all time
Period
Could you possibly give a new version of your all time list since it sounds like you made a lot of changes
LeBron does not deserve to be on this list at all. I will never view him as a true laker
Top 5 lakers?
1- Magic
2- Kobe
3- Kareem
4- Shaq
5- Wilt
So, I agree that Kobe ain't a top 5 laker. He's at least number 2. And it's debatable if Kareem is at 3rd or 4th position.
Just my opinion.
Won 5 rings as a laker and he’s not top 5? Tf typa clout chasing is this
Who finished those games when Shaq was being fouled and missing free throws? Tell that old man to watch those games again and not just the Finals.
How often did Shaq foul out? Kobe fans give him way too much credit
@@melvynsngltn27 shaq fouled out in key playoff series. Kobe saved his legacy many many times.
@@melvynsngltn27 Shaq got into foul trouble a lot and during win/lose games. They call them the greatest 1, 2 punch in nba history for a reason
I remember Derek Fisher, Robert Horry, Brian Shaw bailing those two out with series blockbuster shots more than Kobe ever made in close playoff games. Kobe only has 1 career playoff buzzer beater, was he really that clutch? Lol
@@QuestionEverything562 Kobe rarely had playoff games that required a buzzer beater
The 50‐win thing is flawed logic because you can argue low wins totals was because of the level of parity in competition.
The fact that they put Lebron on that list is a confession of sorts, by extension: in these times, they say Lebron is the best only because we're in his times, he generates emotions, sells t-shirts, makes money, endorsements, etc. In a few years someone else will enter the conversation about the GOAT and we'll all know that STILL Jordan is the best. Lebron doesn't make a list of the 50 greatest Lakers of all time. He is great, the greatest cavalier of all time, the second heat of all time, but not one of the greatest Lakers of all time
Derek Fisher is more of a goat laker than Bron. It’s amazing how they just squeeze Bron into everything.
@@jivet3919 You read my mind, man, I think exactly the same: Dereck Fisher was great, ask Allen Iverson
@@jivet3919 shit man even Ron Artest is above him
“doesn’t make a list of the 50 greatest Lakers”
This is one of the dumbest comments I’ve seen a human being say. It’s honestly sad
@@gggyy7104 He is great, but not a great LAKER, in 4 seasons, the Lakers have qualified 1 time for playoffs. So, you tell me, what's great in that? I know, I know that hurts your loving, in loved with Lebron, feelings, but you can't argue with that, period
#1 Magic, Kobe #2 and Kobe is my favorite player of all time. Magic won 5 in 11 years.
Lebron isn’t even above Michael copper forreal
Kobe Bean Bryant will always be the greatest Lakers ever even magic said it himself
Goat list:
Jordan
Russell
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Kobe
Lebron
Duncan
Hakeem
Shaq
Good list
Lebron is not on my top 10 Lakers list. All he did was a Mickey Mouse ring, destroyed the Franchise by getting rid of all their assets and money, and stat padding
He's one of 8 people who have won finals mvp for the lakers. I think it's very fair to rank him 8th.
I’d take West, Elgin, Wilt, Magic, Kareem, Shaq and Kobe’s lakers career of Lebron’s. After that you could debate
@@mattmmixes And Mikan. Definitely Mikan over LeBron, and it isn't remotely close.
...and then there is Worthy, Gasol, Fisher, Cooper, Scott, Nixon, Mikelson and arguably AD.
@@shaft9000
“Fisher, Cooper, Scott, Nixon”
Lebron wipes the hell out of them and it isn’t close
“Arguably AD”
🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@gggyy7104 He really said arguably AD 🤣😂
Greatest Lakers:
Magic
Kobe
Kareem
West
Shaq
For me how long you play for the team and who you played in the finals means a lot.
Great vid! Magic had Hall of Famers coming off the bench as teammates.
Magic led the team in APG. Out 13 seasons magic had 10 Magical moments. How many moments do you think Kobe had. Even in his last game (old, tired, wornout, hurt) he gave us 60 points and a win. Magic was great but Kobe was video game awesome!
Why is lebum even mention in this conversation Derek Fisher will in the top 10 laker b4 him in my opinion
He mentioned bc he the goat and lives rent free in yall heads
Kobe and Magic are the top two. Btw who is Rob Parker this is one of reasons I stopped watching these talking heads years ago. I remember Max Kellerman trying to say that Kawhi was more clutch than Kobe and all Jwill said was name a moment that support your claim and he couldn’t. He got called out on his own show without the receipts at that point I was done. All theses dudes disrespect Kobe like he was a bum, they must not remember in the finals in 2000 when Shaq fouled out a 22year old Kobe lead the lakers to a tough Room win in Indiana by scoring all the clutch points and blocking shots in overtime. We continue to hear how Lebron lead Cleveland to the finals as a 22 year old the media is so unfair to him even in death. Rip mamba
Whatever order you prefer, it's no debate with me that Magic and Kobe are the greatest LAL ever.
I can't put Shaq above him because when he was in his dominant prime all the great Centers we're all washed or retired. So he had a playground to do whatever he wanted for a good 3 yrs.
It was much more difficult for Kobe entering his prime as he had to play against and guard some of the best SG and SFs of all time during those Lakers years.
Your middle statement is the big elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about. Prior to, Shaq was routinely getting swept and outplayed it the playoffs by other big men.
@@remnant8898 thats why hes not in my Top 10 real Centers really died with Shaq
Shaq can’t help who he played. He lost to Hakeem, who is the greatest center of all time and a top ten player. Who did Kobe go up against. All the elite perimeter players were on the east coast, while Kobe went one on one with nobodies, while shaq got double and tripled teamed. And he still failed to shoot a efficient percentage.
Shaq was the better player throughout the dynasty and he was still better than Kobe 05 and and 06
@@judahmourneth3211 dude stop.
Your mentioning of pre Laker days is completely irrelevant.
The guard and forward position wasn't nearly as lopsided as you're trying to portray between conferences.
On the other hand, all elite centers from both conferences were all but done so it's not even a debate who had tougher competition at their position during these times.
During the 3peat Kobe overall playoff averages were like 28 ppg on like 44% shooting which was pretty goddamn good especially during that time. He also was moreso than not guarding the best players, so knock it off.
Shaq better than Kobe in 05 and 06?? Yeah you definitely must be some bored triggered troll or something.
Its Magic over Kobe easy, had Magic not gotten HIV he wouldve played far longer, cant hold that against Kobe but one is considered the greatest point guard of all time and the other is Kobe. Magic 5 titles in one decade, Kobe took 2 decades to get his 5.
I personally think Rob Parker must have some sort of hatred towards Kobe maybe Kobe said something to him in the past or did something to wear he has this show and not something bigger
Saying Kobe is not a top-five Laker is one of the stupidest things you can say. I’m so tired of the Kobe Bryant disrespect. It really does feel like people are trying to erase his accomplishments. Look Michael Jordan is the goat and I don’t think anyone that isn’t one of these LeBron James fans that are just obsessed with him understand that. And I’m not a LeBron James hater I like LeBron but most of the people that say he’s the greatest of all time don’t even go back to watch basketball the 3 decades prior. Do you have that to be like “who’s the goat Michael Jordan or LeBron James ” I think it’s so disrespectful to Kobe because to me LeBron has never really passed Kobe let alone Michael.
I’m sick of the argument being “well out of Kobe’s five championships he was only the MVP for two of them” Do you know who another Laker great is that some people say is the greatest Laker that also 15 championships that also had only two finals MVPs? Magic Johnson. Do we not give credit to Magic for three of those championships because he was only ate two time MVP winner? No of course not that sounds ridiculous if you say that about Magic Johnson then how come when we talk about Kobe in the exact same way with the exact same amount of rings with the same amount of finals MVPs do we hold that against Kobe but we don’t hold it against Johnson? I think normal sane people don’t, I think it’s these people that have agendas that conveniently leave certain things out of the argument because it’ll make their argument look ridiculous.
I wasn't a Kobe fan and I didn't consider him a top 10 player, however saying he's not a top 5 Laker is outlandish. A decade ago, I had Kobe as the third greatest Laker behind Magic Johnson and Jerry West. The last few years of Kobe's career and his longevity makes it hard to not put him above Jerry West. As all time players, Shaq and Kareem would rank higher, although as Laker, Kobe achieved more.
I have him 11-15 all-time
@@melvynsngltn27 Whose your top 10 then?…
FALSE,, kobe overall is greater than shaq and 1 spot behind Kareem
Kareem did so much for the Lakers i would put Jerry west below both of them
@@melvynsngltn27Your basketball opinion is trash
The person who creates this channel relies too much on stats, assuming that the "status quo" was the same in every era. Magic's Lakers played in an NBA with less teams, more talent on each team in the league, and more developed talent, because players stayed in college longer so when they entered the league players were better.
I taught statistics in high school. Stats can be made to say whatever you want. It does not make them right without context.
For example, how do you measure Bird's toughness and last second shooting?
How do you measure the impact Bird and Magic had on the NBA? They saved the league...literally.
Kareem was great and Dr. J was exciting, but the league was dying with those two greats. Magic and Bird changed that.
How do your stats measure that?
Like Jordan, Kobe needed certain teammates to be successful. Bird and Magic could play with anybody and make those teammates better players. How do stats measure that? Answer: they don't.
Kobe is the greatest Laker of all time in my eyes but you can make a case for Magic Johnson
Make a case, overall magic was a better player and its not even close. How can kobe be a better laker than magic?
Greatest laker idc nothing changes my mind
Easily. Magic wasn't better player than Kobe and he hadn't even better career than Kobe for this team. Kobe has scored the most points for one fransize than anyone other in the history, Kobe played 20 years for Lakers while Magic played only 12 or something like that... MVPs and Finals MVPs are trash, they don't show always who is better player. First of all Kobe deserved at least 2 MVPs in his career, at least 2, he spent prime of his career with terrible suporting cast while Magic had Kareem since his rookie season. Magic would never won more than 1 MVP in Kobe's era. 2000s were by far the most comeptitive years and the best years for basketball, soo many 50+ teams and soo many great legends on the same place: Shaq, Duncan, Iverson, Garnett, Kidd, Nash, Dirk, Ray, Pierce etc, etc, etc... For me Kobe's career in the Lakers is by far more worthy and more impressive than any other Laker.
Only ppl that saying otherwise, are not from LA or not Laker fans.
@@Spider-Complexion yeah for sure
I'm not a Lakers fan. But I've seen Kareem, Worthy & Magic. But to man - The Mamba is the greatest Laker to EVER wear the purple and gold.
9 LeBron James he is in the top five Laker you can say that for Miami you can say that for Cleveland but not Los Angeles Lakers he ain't done enough
Below .500 record 😂
That bubble chip is all sorts of fraudulent.
I don’t even think he’s all time for Miami. The Miami Heat is Wade County and they probably cherish Wade more than Bron.
Bron has that kinda love in Cleveland im sure.
The underhanded down talk on magic in this is CRAZY. Not talking about vs Bird vs Isiah is crazy. I still got Kobe over Magic but the way this is broken down is crazzzzzy. Magic is INSANE.
Kobe IS top 10 period and at least top 2 in Laker-lore, definitely #1 Laker. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot IE: Rob Parker!
Maybe top 20 player. Maybe top5 laker. Top3 Most overhyper player ever
@@sanderlange1932 I guess you read wrong and don't know basketball.
There are like at least 5 player playing right now that are better than him...
Sick of this "mamba mentality" bs. I go on facts, not emotions.
He was an ineffective volumeshooter(44%/33%/83%), avg. defender.
Aweful in the clutch. Making 20% of game winning buzzer-beaters.
Yes, please watch the actual games, not highlight reels.
@@sanderlange1932 stfu you don't know basketball, those fools you supposedly talking about will tell you they are nowhere near Kobe's level and haven't won as much of even have a three-peat under their belt. Pls shut up.
In stead of basing your argument on analytics, how about focusing on their skills? Based on skills alone, Kobe is the best Laker, or at worst, he's somewhere in the top three with Magic and Kareem. The who beat what team argument is weak and was never used before the Lebron is the goat argument started. I still don't hear anyone using that argument when talking about the early Celtics or Lakers championships.
In my personal opinion I don’t even put Lebron in my top 15 of the greatest to ever play the game! 👀📰
good for u
@@grief6052 🫡
All that superteaming and still loses more than wins.
Then you are delusional
@@DarrynPeterson44 you again ?
Outstanding video, my brother. I an unequivocally tell you that Rob Parker doesn't even believe the nonsense that he speaks about Kobe. He wants to be a contrarian to generate discussion and debate, which helps his podcast.
Mans was 2 short minutes away from having his first full video without hating on Lebron but he couldn’t hold it 😂 and going as low as siding with Rob P to do it
It wasn't hating on LeBron though, it was just stating what should be obvious. Since LeBron joined the lakers they have missed the playoffs twice and gone above .500 twice. He's won a championship and FMVP sure but there are a lot of lakers who have done more. The best Cav? Definitely. The best of the Heat? Sure, I can see that argument but there are plenty of people who've been better for the lakers.
@@tomfurey9062 He didn’t even need to mention Bron the video was entirely about Kobe but he his name is this dudes favorite flavor lol On top of that he’s wayyy wrong. It’s not hating to say he’s not number 1, or even top 5. But not top 10?
He took one of the worst teams in the league to a chip and back to being relevant in only a few years, and is a few good trades from another. Even if they blow it up they’re getting a ton of value through trades. He did that as the only person in the top 10 to not play with others in the top 10 while on the lakers (some played with several at the same time).
To put him under players that never lead a team and could be replaced by any allstar, players who wouldn’t be in the hall without multiple prime hall of famers, and players that wouldn’t even make the league now is hating in context.
@@B00MR0ASt3D yeah this guy is clearly biased. When he spent little to no time talking about how Kobe wasn't even the best player on his own team for three of his championships I already knew what time it was. Mentioning LeBron was completely not necessary
How tf Shaq ahead of Kobe and he played more his entire career with the Lakers and won more chips?
The bias is real on this one.. Kobe is that dude, but he isn't better than Magic who did most of what Kobe did in less time
What are you talking about ? They both play different positions 🤡
I shouldn't even be responding to an ignorant lame using emojis like a little girl, yet here we arw
Lakers have had some of the best players of all time, and really have a disproportionate amount of the top 20 or so players. But Kobe’s def a top 5-10 player all time and certainly a top five laker. This is a bad take.
Kobe bled purple and gold. I would not feel any disrespect if someone said Magic or even Jerry west. But if you ask both of them they both have said Kobe is the greatest laker. Who knows better than your own peers? I don't care what any analyst says.
Lol! Magic Johnson himself said "Kobe was the greatest Laker and further stated Kobe was BETTER than he was! So if Magic said it, I will take Magic's word for it!
Rob Parker and Nick Wright seem to have some personal hatred for Kobe. If not for the love of sports, I probably would stop watching those guys. Their Kobe takes have been TERRIBLE. Rob I think downplays Kobe because he views Jordan as the goat and for whatever reason these people feel if someone is even talked about as being close they get offended and disrespect the player. As for Nick, he does the same but in favor of LeBron. The only thing Rob said that made sense is that LeBron is not top 10. But you can't say Kobe is not even a top 5 Laker when the man went to 3 straight finals TWICE. Won 5 rings in his 20 year career. Was a crucial second best player in 3 of them and the best in 2. He is talking like Kobe was a role player in the 3peat and never won again after that. Or was a bench player in all 5. IDIOT.
Rob Parker kills LeBron even more
@@str8duval Heck no. He has LeBron as the 2nd greatest player of all time. With Kobe its just blatant disrespect with no basis.
@@diegobromfield I can't remember hearing his top 10 list but he's been one of Lebron's biggest haters for over a decade now
@@str8duval Well he literally hates putting anything sort of respect on Kobe's name. I don't even think he has Kobe in his all time top 10. But I know for a fact he has said multiple times LeBron is the 2nd greatest player. He will throw shade on LeBron yes but at least he shows him respect.
Never heard of that dude that said it but it is his opinion even though it don’t matter. His opinion is irrelevant. Kobe like Magic loyal and stayed a whole career there and had great runs. To not be a top five is just a clown putting on a circus
Kobe is number one!!! R.I.P.
5 Chips is the standard
Kobe is a top 10 player but top 5 laker for sure.Lebron barely top 10 laker but top 5 player all time.
Who did the Lakers beat in the finals with Shaq and Kobe again?? And who did Kobe and pao beat in the finals again?? And why aren't you mentioning who magics Lakers beat in the finals please explain to me why aren't you throwing that oh that's right it's not helping your argument
This why I stopped watching rob Parker n Nick Broussard cause they both love haters. Rob don’t know basketball n Nick bias… you sound like a young man but you’ve done your due diligence and sound knowledge able 👏🏿
Kobe is my top 3 all time ! AND LEBRON IS NOT TOP 10 !! All time laker
And you didn’t even bring up ROAD TO FINALS ! Kobe had the hardest road to the finals ALL TIME !
Also Kobe average 27 and 30+ in the playoffs with Shaq….not back for a guy who literally plays robin …..I know guys in the NBA who people call super stars don’t even avg 25 in the playoffs!
I would rather vote for Robert Horry as a top 10 Laker rather than LeBron.
Nah next!
Wilt at 10 is already wild to me
too high?
Jerry West, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson, Earvin "Magic" Johnson, Kobe
He’s not Lying tho. Shaq got Kobe all those first 3 rings. Finals MVP should be more than enough of a point for this argument
I’m a Golden State Warriors fan..with that being said Kobe Bryant is in the top 5 Lakers of all times!! R.I.P Black Mamba!!🙏🏾🕊🏀💯
2nd best
Jeanie Buss has already given Kobe his flowers as greatest laker and we know Kobe is the greatest Laker and second best player behind Michael Jordan
Kobe is overrated.
Greatest Lakers Ever
1) Kobe
2) Magic
3) JWest
4) Kareem
5) Shaq
6) Mikan
7) Worthy
8) Baylor
9) Wilt
10) Gasol
11- Goodwich
12- LeBron
13- Wilkes
14- Cooper
15- AD
The teams Magic beat in the 80's Finals were far greater than those that Kobe won. The 80's 76, Celtics and Pistons were better any of those 2000's teams the Lakers beat.
Kobe definitely greatest Laker. Period. And I saw all of Magic's career.
Facts. Ppl also don't understand kobe Rarely played healthy. He was always hurt he just played
Only AI had the amount if injuries he had. MJ and bron never had the injuries kobe had. Mj had to retire. Kobe never did that
We need to hear these "analyst's" resumes before we hear their opinions. You'll probably find most only played football in highschool and maybe played basketball in the driveway a few times. It literally takes the entry level of knowledge to become an analyst
If he was living he'd be #2
Great video. Facts over feelings.
Simply put. Shaq never won on his own whereas Kobe did. Kobe played for one team defining his legacy whereas Shaq chased rings to catch up to Kobe.
Kobe is def a Top 5 all time Laker. I'd say Top 3...you can argue that. For me the only guys in NBA history I'd take over Kobe is MJ and Kareem.
Rob Parker is a TOOL
I agreed with everything he said until he said Shaq couldn't get one without kobe I don't agree with that if Penny was healthy I believe they would have won a championship and Shaq did win one without kobe
Kobe Bryant is the greatest Laker James doesn't belong up there. Lakers made the right choice when they had to choose between Shaq or Kobe. Yes Shaq won a title in his 1st year with Miami. But that Heat team with the exception of Wade. Had a really good team especially when Shaq came over when Mourning had to take a back seat due to his health. But Kobe ended up winning 2 out of 3 straight NBA Finals with a couple of the players. Miami sent over for Shaq. Trading for Pau,then after winning the championship over the Magic letting Trevor Ariza go. So that Kobe can get Ron Artest to become a more dominant defensive team and get revenge on The Celtics was genius. Kobe Bryant will always have bragging rights over Shaq. He tied Shaq and when they beat Orlando. But Kobe Bryant put the Icing on the cake by not only getting the 5th Ring but he and his squad did it against the most hated team the Lakers will always be rivals with. The Boston Celtics. No one ever brings that up. I bet that Shaq would have love to have beaten the Celtics for a Championship. He only had one against the Lakers other rival from the East in Philly. But I'll bet that Shaq would trade the Indiana or New Jersey ring for a Win against the Celtics.
Being the only one who almost perfectly copied what everyone trying to be,and got humiliated in front of everybody with that infamous mike's " trash talk", kobe took it personal,and vow to surepass mike.he tried to put fear,like how others feel when they play against mike,concentration,efforts,etc..
ONE THING why there's sadness in those eyes?
He failed 2 three peet.
I tell the Sam thing to my son!! He is the closest one to the goat 🐐 and he wasn't ashamed of it.. 100%
I'm OK with either Magic or Kobe being number one, but those are the top two. 20 years in that Laker uniform ain't nothing to sneeze at.
Kobe and Magic
Put magic vs kobe 1 on 1 in their primes. It's not even close kobe would have DESTROYED magic.
The disrespect to Jerry West is insane...