LeBron SUPER FAN GETS DESTROYED in Kobe Bryant Debate
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มี.ค. 2023
- Shaquille O'Neal recently made headlines after debating the all time ranking of Kobe Bryant on the Fluent and Chill Podcast. Hope you enjoy.
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Kobe went back to back chips against “super teams” without a super team of his own. That’s the facts.
Thats something lebron cant and never ever will do. Kobe over bron all day anyday
Hold up when cause them magic was weak
@@champhasfanz unreal, guys who don’t know history shouldn’t comment. However every year he had to go against a Spurs team in their prime in the west just to get to the finals. That same Spurs team that Lebron with the most loaded team of all time lost to in the Finals when they were all old and way past their prime. If it wasn’t for Ray Allen, would have beat that heat team twice in the finals.
EXACTLY
Yep ...Only Kobe an Isiah can make that claim...they both had good players as teammates (Kobe had Gasol, Metta Wrld Peace, Matt Barnes, Lamar Odom and Derek Fisher and Isiah had Joe Dumars, Bill Lambier ,Aguirre and Rodman who was not a chosen a 50 greatest..but later chosen a 75 greatest ..but neither had a 50 greatest in Isiahs era or 75 greatest teammate in Kobe's era when they repeated..Olajuwon did it but he had Drexler ( a 50 greatest ) KD and Steph did it but they had each other as 75 greatst, Lebron did it but he had Dwade also a 75 greatest on his second chip
I love how much respect Shaq puts on Kobe's name.
All of the sudden.
@@MikeHawk-yg3gkyup before 2020 people were very different …
@Awoken777Tim Duncan was a better defender, rebounder, more efficiently offensively was never a second banana for more than half of his championships got more MVPs and finals MVPs , what is there to talk about ? Duncan had a way better career than Kobe hands down !
@@MikeHawk-yg3gkthere's videos on TH-cam 10 years old with NBA players, past and present, saying that Kobe is better. The media and analytics fans say Kobe wasn't top 10. Everyone else has him top 5
@@12inchesSofT Totally disagree even totally respecting Tim Duncan and his achievements
50 wins in today’s nba literally makes you top 2 in the League😂 Kobe def had it astronomically hard
They won 42 games in 2007. 50 wins means nothing
@@melvynsngltn27so winning means nothing now 😂😂😂😂 u so mad
@@Jeazzy24 what are you talking about
Kobe won the hardest chamionpships lebron James only problem was Steph curry
Didn't like the top 8-10 teams in the West win 50 games this year!?
It's remarkable how beloved and polarizing one man can be.
Kobe is a legend no matter where anyone ranks him
Yes he is and he was younger when he got his rings you mite can say hes the best ever
@@mauricefarr8531This video is trying to use the Lakers achievements to bolster Kobe’s place in History. Not a compelling argument.
@@TravisMcGee151Kobe doesn’t need the lakers to bolster his place im history he’s literally the lakers goat for majority of people
@@overaxel9498 No way he is ranked over Magic for serious fans.
@@Ilestun or if you meant in a top 10 all time because YES KOBE IS BETTER THAN MAGIC 🤦♂️
This dude just said Lebron does everything better than Kobe except shoot free-throws. Kobe is a better 3 point shooter, mid-range, free-throw, Ball-handler, Shot-creator, isolation scorer, footwork, and defense with the exception of off-ball steals and blocks
But still not a clutch player.
Never know if he gonna flop.
Better teammate for sure.
You're delusional! There's a reason why LJ is considered the goat along MJ.
@@c86alfonso Idc if you think LBJ is better than Kobe all-time. My point was Lebron doesn't do everything better than Kobe except shoot free-throws. Please read before you type. And in my opinion as an overall player (offense/defense) Kobe was a better player imo.
@Carlos Alfonso Nobody considers Lebron to be the GOAT. You're the one who is delusional. Nobody who have a losing record in the Finals should be considered great.
Kobe won 2out 3 chips with Pau Gasol as his 2nd best player LeBron only won 2 out 4 with Prime DWade & Bosh
Imagine how many Kobe would win with that Miami Heat team, not 1 not 2 not 3…..you get it
Semi prime wade but never the less a under achieving team no doubt
Yall act like Pau isn't a basketball HOFer. Like 7 time champion Robert Horry wasn't on those teams, like Rick Fox wasn't on those teams, like they weren't coached by 11 time champion Jackson.
Lebron had Wade, Bosh and Spoelstra who was on the camera crew the year prior.
@@simonhowell4486 Bruh, Lebron had BETTER teammates. Just stop it.
Where were CLOWNS like you when Big Bad Shaq had: Penny, Nick Anderson, Eddie Jones, Nick Van Axel, Isiah Rider, all star cleaner guards and won NOTHING?
lemme guess, not enough help.
Also are we gonna diminish Hakeems rings because he played with freaking Robery Horry? Horry wasn't on the second two peat just the first.
Pau doesn't make the HOF without Kobe. He couldnt get out of the 1st round (when he wasn't actively MISSING the playoffs) without Kobe. And when Kobe went down with the Achilles injury what did Pau do?
Nada.
@@knownunknown3980 2011 and 2012 was prime Wade
The only thing that stopped Kobe from being the GOAT, was the league blocking the Chris Paul trade. At the time of the Chris Paul trade, Kobe already had 5 rings, and was only 33 I believe, if Chris Paul had joined Kobe at that point, he would've gotten 2 more rings, and passed Jordan in championships.
Absolutely
Preach!
I love the stats on how how tough his competition was. Given the slower pace and competition, I wonder how that factors into his lack efficiency, along with several years of trash teams (sorry Kwame & Smush Parker)
I love the stats on how how tough his competition was. Given the slower pace and competition, I wonder how that factors into his lack efficiency, along with several years of trash teams (sorry Kwame & Smush Parker)
Well if if was a 1/5 we'd all be drunk. So I'm gonna get drunk. If MJ didn't go play baseball MJ would have 7rings, but I'm going to stick with what actually happened
Considering the era he played, I easily put him top 5. The dude was a nightmare to guard and to score on.
What keeps him out of top 2 or 1
@@kobecross3298Being too selfish really. He missed a lot of shots because he decides to hit triple contested fade aways, and I respect him for that, but it costed the teams a lot of points. If Shaq stayed, Kobe might have gotten 7 rings ngl and then he would be top 2
@@kobecross3298 Nothing. He got 5 rings in a tough era where 3 point shooting had already had some impact. LeBron got nothing on Kobe but stat padding and losing milestone games.
1 MVP and two championships as the best player just doesn't seem like top 5 player material.
Kobe must've done that man bad
Must've hit the meanest fadeaway on his head when they played pick-up
That dude is related to Shaq. He played kobe one on one and kobe beat him 11-0
@@maxb4318 that's why he got him at 11
@Kyle Jr that's crazy that he only thinks kobe is better than lebron at free throw percentages for a career. Kobe has one more ring than lebron in less trips to the finals. Kobe has more all star MVP than lebron. Kobe has one more game winner buzz beater than lebron for their careers. Kobe has more go ahead winning field goals than lebron. Kobe has more defense team selections than Lebron. Kobe has a better finals record percentage for games won/lost than lebron. What is this dude talking about?
@@maxb4318 ALL FACTS!!
The Kobe Bean Bryant disrespect is outrageous
I know....I really don't get it.
More like.. Kobe Bean Bryant overrating hype is ridiculous. The guy is nowhere near Magic Jordan Lebron Kareem Bird Duncan Shaq Russsel Wilt etc with only 1 MVP and 2 FMVP
@@1vaultdweller so the man who is 4th all time in scoring is overaited you sound like you're drunk
@@gregoryhathcock2160 Yep if you call him Goat over those I mention.. that makes him overrated . Basic logic. You need it
@@1vaultdwelleryou don't have a clue buddy Kobe is without a doubt one of the greatest players ever in my humble opinion I got him right behind MJ
Crazy thing about Kobe is that I believe sometimes he purposefully made things harder for himself in order to create aesthetically pleasing highlight plays. No one in the history of the NBA turns basketball into art like Kobe Bryant.
Jordan's game is prettier.
Except for that's the reason he lost so much with the best team and never came close to winning as an underdog.
@@keithjoseph128 Both times he lost in the finals he absolutely did not have the better team. Although I agree that he made things harder for himself which to me was part of the beautify of watching him play. He didn’t just want to win alone, he wanted to create art while doing it.
@@DynamicUnreal he absolutely had the best team those two years along with three more.
@@keithjoseph128 I disagree completely. That Pistons team was a historically great TEAM. Every single one of their players was significantly above average, especially defensively. The Lakers had 2 washed former stars, an aging Shaq, and a young Kobe Bryant. The Celtics had Kevin Garnett, Paul, Pierce, Ray Allen, and Rajon Rondo - the first modern Super Team.
Have you ever done a video on how Kobe is actually a great passer and got a bad rap from the media? Many of his great highlights are of him throwing crazy dimes to his teammates. From 1999 until 2011 he led his team in assists 10 of those 12 years as the main scoring option.. And the 2 years where he didnt were in 2003 where he was .4 APG behind HOF Gary Payton, and in 2005 he was 1 APG behind Lamar Odom (the year he averaged 35.4 PPG).
"...in 2005 he was 1 APG behind Lamar Odom (the year he averaged 35.4 PPG)."
Do you understand how bad of an argument this is!? Lamar didn't handle the ball nearly as much as Kobe, NOT EVEN CLOSE! Lamar also isn't a guard!
You Kobe fans are something else...
@jacoblee5796 is that supposed to be a counter argument? You're mad that the only good player on the team lead in points and also almost in assists? Do you even know Lamar Odom? He did play as a guard very often... mo Ron
@@Nogame7_Cards Yes, I know who Lamar was, he was actually a great passer and in the right system he would of excelled. But Kobe was a black hole on offense, Lamar didn't get a whole lot of opportunities to be the playmaker he was.
But yes, it is a counter argument, Kobe absolutely dominated the ball and didn't lead the team in assists as a gaurd. Yet somehow Kobe was a great and willing passer!?
Kobe was capable of being a fantastic passer, maybe one of the best but he was too selfish and narcistic.
@jacoblee5796 you just said Lamar wasn't a passer. Then said he was a great passer... wtf
@@Nogame7_Cards Where did I say Lamar wasn’t a passer?
Love that you brought up how tough the west was in the 2000s, crazy conference. PHX, Spurs, MAVs, Lakers, Thunder. It was all out war for a spot in the finals knowing that 90% of the time that if you got through the west, you’d win the finals against the leastern conference which was an absolute joke then.
And yet the Pistons, Heat, and Celtics all earned championships during that timeline. Two of which were earned against Kobe, who was favored to win both of those series.
I would NOT mention the Suns. They never made it to Finals in the 2000s
Thunder was tough in the 2000s? You serious?
@Soul Of America that's because the west was tough
Bruh you forgot the biggest one. The Sacramento kings. If Kobe and Shaq weren't so dominant. The kings would have had at least 2 chips.
HOW MAY TIMES HE COULD HAVE FOLDED!?!! LeBron is the poster boy for trading an entire team, coaches, gms etc to play with more stars. LEBRON IS KING OF "I NEED MORE HELP" LeBron has jumped ship 3 times...I'd say he's folded like origami 😅
That old fart does know anything kobe play in a stack west for 20 season Lebron play in the weak East dident win a ring until he join Wade Bosh Ray Allen kobe won back to back without a top 75 player
Well said
King of I need more help lmmfao classic standing O nail on the head but they won't hear u tho
His gay fans will call you a hater.
Bron sexuals finna feel they pussies after this comment 😂
Shaq definitely felt disrespected when Kobe isn’t mentioned. Not because they’re homies but at one point Shaq considered Kobe to be his competition because of how good he is and did whatever it took to beat him but couldn’t.
Thank you for making this video, I have been talking about this with people in the comments on so many videos, it is a blessing to play a major part or all of your career in the East. Because you do not want to have to come out of the west to many good teams you have to face in round 1 and 2 even if you win those rounds it takes a toll on your team coming out
I legitimately find it hilarious that some people don’t have Kobe top 10…. Like it’s literally so funny I can’t take em serious 😂😂😂😂
I mean. There's a definitive arguement for him not being top 10.
Shaq, Jordan, Lebron, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Tim Duncan, Hakeem, Wilt and Russell all have cases for being top 10.
Kobe plays the SG which is just hard to excell at. I mean outside of Jordan and Kobe the SG lacks talent. There's Wade but he's considered top 20 and usually on the lower end.
With PG there's Magic, Steph, Kidd, Stockton and Isiah and Big O.
Centers is the deepest position in basketball Wilt, Bill, Shaq, Hakeem and Kareem can all be top 10.
SF has Lebron, Worthy, Pippen, Erving etc.
PF Duncan, Barkley, Malone, Moses.
There's arguements for Kobe not being top 10.
I find it hilarious that people say Kobe is top 10 without saying who they’d take off
Isaac Smith, Tim Duncan outperformed Kobe throughout their entire careers, and some people don't put Duncan on their top 10.
@Caleb A Thats easy, take out lebron for kobe...
@@steveb9048 no he didn't 😂. The SPURS outperformed the Lakers. Duncan as an individual was pretty close to on par though. The reason he never repeated is Kobe, undeniable fact
I’m honestly done with goat debates because it’s a team sport. I don’t care anymore about individual play. Kobe is a winner that’s all that matters he said himself he doesn’t care about winning mvp he just wants a championship. Same with guys like giannis and jokic. In the modern era. It’s just Kobe was the leader on those 09 and 10 winning lakers teams. It’s all about winning.
@Giannis Antetokounmpo have you not seen comments on twitter, TH-cam, Reddit, media, Instagram, or Facebook?
@Giannis Antetokounmpo luka don’t care about being mvp. These european guys only wants to win championships.
Jack Wilson Kobe got carried by shaq then he he had Pau gasol to do all the work Kobe got carried by big men
@@malikwilson7387 like any guard in history , you need the team ask A.I
Fr at this point LeBron toxic fans made the goat debate annoying as hell
I've never been a Kobe fan but I do RESPECT him and his game. To say lebron is better and not even add him to top 10 is completely disrespectful to only him but also the game of basketball. But from what I've learned over the years, he's sitting upstairs on the court waiting for bron getting ready to put him in his place. 😅
I got Bron over Kobe but he is top 10.
How is it disrespectful to have an opinion?
I’m so glad that you brought this up! They’re passing kobe going straight to Jordan an I think it’s disrespectful because in my opinion lebron isn’t better than kobe!
People who has Kobe over Lebron are in the minority. I don't like Lebron and rooting against him but even I can be objective enough to see that Lebron is better than Kobe.
@@blue-phoenix115 lebron is NBA all time turnover leader and just CHOKED and got swept by Denver 🧹🧹😂. Kobe most definitely better than lebron
@Bm Denver nuggets just SWEPT lebron 🧹🧹🧹😂. Lebron is NBA all time turnover leader and choked lost 6 finals. Kobe is better than lebron fasho 💯💯💯
@BoxingisgoatedBoxingisgo-sy7jy Kobe is the goat 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐. Black mamba is best player ever and I'm not no Kobe fan
@@KingTaylor-pl2el kobe been swept before to buddy
THANK GOD SOMEONE HAS SAID WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING! KOBE PLAYED IN THE BEST CONFERENCE IN LEAGUE HISTORY! 99-2012 THE EAST WON 3 THE WEST WON 9! AND THE WEST WAS NEVER THE UNDERDOG! AND OF THE 12 KOBE PLAYED IN 7!
1999-2010 besides 2008 the best two teams were out west. The WCF always felt like another finals
@@mattmmixes ikr? To your point, other than 2008, any team that got out of the west were heavy favorites in the finals
He has the most wins against 50+ win teams in playoff history… even Jordan and Lebron couldn’t touch kobe there.
@@blytheskrieg you are 200% right! That 2008 the c's were the favorites at the moment they got there big 3! I didn't think anyone would actually catch that! Lol 😆 but outta 12 one time that's embarrassing !
@@johncmoua How many of those wins came with Kobe being the 2nd best player on his team though?
I miss 2000's defense, I used to poke at Kobe fans for Kobe bricking a lot of shots, but he was taking shots with guys right in his face, body contact, etc. Not comparable to todays joke defense in any way
Except Lebron went through the same 2000s defenses and did it more efficiently then Kobe
@@1vaultdweller Yeah I was telling this to Kobe fans back in the day who just didn't get it. But regardless of that I'll rather see Kobe shooting tough contested shots and going 10/30 vs watching todays game where everybody is wide open just because guys are scared to foul off the smallest contact
@@stevenscummy1458 Thats not because of anyone being scared, thats because the offenses couldnt spread the floor back then. They didnt have the long range shooters. Thats why they crowded in mid range. Curry would demolish those defenses by bombing from deep
@@1vaultdweller A little bit of that and a lot of the refs calling paddy cake touch fouls in the Adam Silver era, the referee style of today is the main reason
@@1vaultdweller lebron went through the same defense less and only played one team from the west at the finals and yet he couldn’t win it when it matters being fresher compared to teams coming out of the west. He should be winning more really
This was a great video…. Thank you for not forgetting because it seems like everybody else does. ❤
This is the best debate of how good Kobe was.. you made points no one else has made.
thank you
Hes lucky shaq couldnt debate his way out of a paper bag.
he started to boost Shaq's ego and made him shut up
Why do y’all give that man the light of day? his opinion holds no more weight than anyone else 😂
I agree kobe 5-2 in the finals Lebron 4-6 in the finals kobe never got swpet in the finals
He's Shaq cousin but yea I agree
@@DesignzRUs oh I didn’t know that
I knew already that he is shaq cousin but still his basketball i.q sucks he needs to checks his fax he watches too much nick and sharp
Even the players pick Kobe over LeBron. That says it all.
We need you on the players choice.
Saying Kobe was a copy of MJ is not entirely true. I’d say he was very heavily influenced by and closely mimicked a lot of MJ’s moves and style but he also had his own distinct elements such as the volume 3 point shooting and the ridiculously tough shots at end of games. Definitely top 10 all time though.
This is a Fact that everyone else ignores and he also had his own signature moves he tributed Jordan in games showing his love and respect to his Icon and its funny how since Kobe passed Lebron was caught mimicking a couple of Kobe moves for people who actually watch games or look up the highlights as another fact
He wasn’t even that similar to mj. Sure the mannerisms and the fadeaway wer identical but, other than that, he dribbled differently, dunked differently, could shoot with left hand, defended differently, and was a different passer.
@@leohoutarou9980 saying that Kobe wasn't similar to Jordan is going the other way too far. He is similar to Jordan. Kobe even said he mimicks the playstyle of MJ. I agree Kobe was great. But pretending they aren't similar? No.
@@leohoutarou9980 Kobe has interviews detailing his MJ emulation. I like Kobe, but come on.
@@spaceaustrailia5895 "even that similar" and "wasn't similar" are very different statements.
Kobe not being top 10 is one of the worst basketball takes imo.
Does Duncan get a spot in your top 10? He outperformed Kobe throughout their careers? If so, who is in your top 10?
@@steveb9048 not true…
@@Nuthinnull Duncan outperformed Kobe on MVPs, Finals MVPs, win shares, PER, and a pile of other stats. On top of that, Kobe's first 3 championships were Shaq's not Kobe's. That was Shaq's Lakers team.
@@steveb9048 😴
@@steveb9048 PER just isn’t a good stat and if you’re going by that Kobe had a higher per than Duncan ever did in 06.
Don't forget that Kobe at some point was told to don't score too much because the coach wanted to give some shine to Shaq. if it weren't for that, he'd have quite more points in total too.
I agree Phil told kobe to hold back becuase of Shaq there were games kobe out score shaq
@@jjohnson4013 Nontheless, Shaq was clearly the better player during the 3peat.
@@mistameff3528 kobe put up more points in the 4thq then shaq during the three peat in playoffs and finals also led the team in asst steal and in clutch yeah shaq was putting those numbers in the finals vs the weak east that dident have a true center they were all past there prime
Wow, I never thought we'd have a mad-dog sighting for the last shot.
Sure LeBron James overcame by either trading for other players or joining another team ! Smh
Now there's something wrong with trading for players?
He also didn’t have shaq
And he quit on his team , not once but twice ! IN THE PLAY OFFS !!!!!
He's a sucker
@@joelthewookie472neither did Kobe after Shaq left. Did he leave?
Loyalty actually matters
One team players deserve more respect
5 vs 4 😮
Lebron hasn’t past Tim Duncan yet
Another 1 team player
Love the background music my guy
The thing is about all of this is they keep putting Shaquille O'Neal over Kobe Bryant but Shaquille O'Neal cannot be his self without Kobe Bryant sinners need help to be who they are.
I grew up on watching Kobe dominate the league. He was top 3 in the league for ten years
He was tha top 1 for 10 YEARS!!!
Who scored, won and DOMINATED the league from 01-11 more than Kobe 🤔
#Ilwait
@@Mercurial.he was not the best player for 10 years stop it
@@slightlychris1259
U replied without a reply. Well done 👏🏽
@@slightlychris1259yes he was!
@@Mike1122. you smoking molly straight off the rock lmao. don’t watch basketball again🤣
Chilltown isn't just a fan. He's Shaq's cousin.
& doesn't know bball.
@@damonlillard3097 🤣
@Damon Lillard he knows more than half the guys on that panel
@@damonlillard3097 you don’t though
I love your take on Kobe! We never really talk about the level of competition faced when discussing the greats
This disrespectful headline should be banned from the internet….
No one made tougher shots.. I miss those years in Staples. Staples was popping every night, now the crypt can be crickets. Miss you Mamba
Sorry UNCUT but this is the first video I disagree with you on.
Kobe is not top 10 despite the iconic branding
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KOBE is my no.2 after MJ23. These two were the best 1 VS 1 ever.
I have no problem if someone says Lebron is better than Kobe all time but to say he isn’t top 10 is just stupid.
@@1234EggNogg why? bron, jordan, magic, kareem, bird, wilt, shaq, duncan, russell and maybe kobe is the last guy in. but I could replace him with Thomas or Hakeem. The suggestion that kobe is greater then lebron is idiocy. hell when steph's career is over he might have to be the last man in. I'm saying this a guy who idolized kobe growing up and weeped like a baby when he died.
@@Kevinschart youre a boldfaced lie
NBA aint 1 vs 1.. passing is also part of the game and not taking shitty shots
@@Kevinschart You lost all credibility as soon as you listed that chump LeBron _before_ the flat out GOAT, Jordan. And Isiah ain't even within a hundred miles of the top 10 players all-time. What are you smokin'?
Awesome facts. Great research!
He’s not being honest with his self he’s just a fan this dude played with a lot of future Hall of Fame players and is below 5 hundred 4-6 what are we really talking about
Chilltown be tripping on Kobe
Facts
But Kobe isn't top 10
Kobe SUXXED!!!
Thats what lebron fans do. They tear down other players to gobble up lebron. And since kobe still has millions of fans who believe he’s the better player they can’t accept it so they say shit like “he aint top 10”. Chilltown arguing with someone who played the game at the absolute highest level is comical.
@@hernanbenitez2828 I'm sorry I go off what I've seen sorry I have 11 guys ahead of kobe
If your team is down by 1 point and your team has the ball with 5 seconds left in the 4th quarter, who would you choose to take that shot? Greatness is defined at the most crucial moment and that man step up and deliver.
Or if your team was down twenty in the fourth and everyone on your team basically quit. You'd still feel in it because Kobe could turn it up that hot.
Or if your team was down by 1 point, you can always give the ball to LeBron so he can pass it to another player to take the last shot!
Another great video
It does not matter where you place Kobe in all time debates, Kobe transcended the NBA, basketball and sports his legacy the Mamba Mentality shows how to be professional and how to give a 100 % and do your best all the time.
Something Lebron can learn from
Yes Kobe taught the next generation Jordan's moves.
That's literally why he my goat
Except for when he was jackin' up a ton of low-quality shots and shootin' his team out of games, which he did regularly. Hell, one time he shot his team out the entire Finals.
@@mj23goat3 well he's 5-2 in the finals. And he also shot his way to a finals. And also won his team a lot of games on his own. 08-10 who was a on his team? But I bet you give lebron a pass for 2011
You have to know the context behind the TikTok. That guy is shaqs 1st cousin and he holds a grudge against Kobe for the Kobe/Shaq beef back in the day. Nothing more, nothing less.
I knew already that he was shaq cousin but still his basketball i.q. sucks needs to stop watching Nick and sharp
never folded? he surrendered in 2011 by teaming up with 2 All-Stars but still wasn't enough because he need a MegaSuperTeam.
The clutch factor is a big difference too. It comes down to the last shot to win the game, who you giving the ball to??
What an annihilation of the Lebron is better than Kobe narrative. I’m forwarding this to every LeTwerker i see from now on. Subbed
Sam Sara, you get that Uncut Hoops is a Lebron hate channel, right? It won't prove anything to those that understand the stats... for example, who focus on 50 win teams instead of 70 win teams?
@@steveb9048 I can acknowledge your point while also acknowledging the wealth of points stated in the video.
@@steveb9048 70 wins only have happened twice in history. 50 wins happen every year. To have a better record against 50 win teams says more than you understand
@@steveb9048 70 win teams is a TINY sample size. 1. Lebron has a winning record (1) vs 70+ win teams but is 10-9 vs 50+ win teams in the playoffs 😂😂😂
This is NOT a Lebron hate channel. Just because he doesnt deep throat Bron like ESPN, LeShannon Sharpe, and LeNick Wright do, doesn't make it a "Lebron hate channel."
Bronsexual spotted 😂😂😂
@@Sf75178 FACTS!!! HE ALSO NEEDED TO GET DRAYMOND SUSPENDED to pull that off.
Never forget. That 3-1 comeback is overrated as hell.
Kobe, MJ, Bird, Magic would've WANTED Draymond to play so they would leave bo doubt they were the better players.
Lebron can ONLY win when he stacks the deck in his favor.
The Eastern Conference had ZERO competition for a decade lol
Every time Lebron got humiliated in the Playoffs, he quit and made a superteam and underachieved. Lebron is not better than Kobe.
So just ignore the accolades and statistics
@@kennethopoku226 lebron is a stat padder. The greatest at it I might add. Still doesn’t change the fact that he has to stack the deck to win or have a player like AD who was killing in the bubble season on both ends of the floor
@BuzzinFromda4z Miami heat and the second Cavs. In 2017 kyrie and klove made all star and that’s what made the Cavs a superteam
@@GreaterThanSolomon how is he a stat padder?
@BuzzinFromda4z 3 players that made all star before and during their tenure makes the team an all star.
I love your channel brother.
Shaq was like .. bruh, how's my ass taste ? 😅 he's not kissing ass, he was in deep
for me kobe is the second best player i ever seen...
and its almost as good as michael jordan...
he was an amazing player
How old are you
@@deeward5572I’m 40 and I agree his game was pretty as hell, and he wasn’t 6’8 260 he wasn’t able to just bully his way to the rim. He was extremely skilled with an unlimited bag of tricks to score at will.
@@sunset2798 Very well said bro
Kobe shouldn't be listed less than a top 5 player ever. I personally would put him 3rd.
Man, I'm glad that there are still Kobe stans out there. All of these teenage Bron stans make it seem like the debate is over. Haha
This is the BEST and Most LOGICAL ARGUMENT & PROOF that KOBE is not only top 10 But Perhaps TOP 5 , 3, or 2. This dude should be on First Take or Undisputed. Those guys use the same tired arguments. This video, is insightful and unique from other takes out there. This man did some REAL RESEARCH!!!
LeBron went around chasing RINGS, building SUPER TEAMS! KOBE stood in the Lakers and carried his team to them Rings!
Kobe had 5 with 1 3 peat. Where's Lebrick at
Also kobe is one of the few players to win back to back two diffrent times
@half
Le flop still waiting for a super team with 4 all stars to add him so he will get the credit if he plays with them if they win the title and at last will win his 4.5 title as well
Problem is that as years go by you get more players worthy to be included to anyone's top 10 list in such a way that by now theres probably around 30 players that nobody's jaw will drop if someone includes them on their list.
Yea there's about 25 or 30 interchangeable names for numbers 8-10.
Cept the guy giving the opinion should be old enough to have seen more than enough basketball
@@oddballskull1941 come on man everybody can have an opinion...
Nobody lived through the entire history and yet we all have something to say about Napoleon and shit.
A young basketball fan can share his. It's all available online anyway
Nice perspective. The argument is not about the individual but the career as a whole
LeBron is hyped too much he ain’t even top 5 honestly
Chilltown claims Kobe Bryant does nothing better than LeBron! That is cap!
See, you say Kobe has more skill, more moves, better FT, better midrange. Then why does lebron average more points on better efficiency? Same with KD
@@Madisonn608 60% of lebrons points are scored in the paint and on free throws
All I know is this with the game on the line I trust Kobe more than I do LeBron
@@Madisonn608 Kobe avg more points for their primes.
@@Madisonn608 kobe made all defens team 9 time in a row Lebron 6 times kobe 5-2 in the finals Lebron 4-6
If kobe is not in the top ten then how is he the closest thing to MJ TWINS MY FRIENDS*
Kobe fasho top five all time.and Kobe better than lebron. Don't listen to them Kobe haters
Why doesn’t everyone on the media sit in a meeting and watch these videos and they will all realize they don’t know what they are talking about
No kids now a days know steph who's been with the same super team. Not 3 different superteams. Kobe will always be the truth, definitely top 10 for sure. Still my favorite player, I'm so grateful I had the opportunity to see him play live.
Ticket tv and elder went in hard on him.
It's always the mediocre guys that played that say kobe is not top 10
Kobe probably reminded them of their mediocracy when they played
Did chill even play ball? What does this guy even do in life?
@@doktor3196 He's a bum that played college I believe and he said when Kobe beat him 1 on 1 it made him feel some type of way.
@@PraiseThaDon he didn’t say that
@@officialzacht Yes he did clown.
He only have 1 mvp in 20 years ….. you can’t put him ahead of any of those guys
I have never in my entire life heard someone say that Bron is better at everything except free throws😂😂😂HUH
That’s actually Shaq’s cousin!
Don't ask non-players. Ask players who they think is better. You'll get your answer.
They will say MJ is the 🐐.
@@c86alfonso They also pick Kobe over Lebron.
@@choward5430 yup Al Harrington and luka that’s it😭
@@choward5430but they say LeBron over kobe tho
@@flashorb2707 No, they don't!
Yea i just don't get all the disrespect that Kobe gets, Like MJ, Kobe was unstopable once he got going there was really nothing the defence could do to stop him, in my opinion he's Number 2 on my list, i don't know how people forget just how dominant he was, he wasn't trying to form no super team to win a championship, and he's work ethick was unmatched.
Thank you for making this video… The lack of respect for Kobe is unbelievable, great job 👏 👏 👏…
That's not a fan, that's his cousin
Kobe def top 3. Killer mentality, never quit on his team, 5 rings, great defender, stayed on the same team his whole career, 2 rings without Shaq, 1 more than Shaq and he was the reason why The US won🥇again. Not Lebron
Kobe was the guy in the Olympics and D-Wade was the second best player coming off the bench.
Lol most of those are terrible reasons
@@gggyy7104 That’s because you have half of a 🧠 😂
@@gggyy7104those are legit reasons put the pipe down
@@sunset2798 Lol the only valid reason is 5 rings, one more than Lebron. Everything else is a terrible reason or Lebron is better in
I’ve always said… Kobe was underrated.
May sound crazy, but I truly believe he was.
God rest his soul.
He was a legend.
Only MJ is ahead of him for me.
And, not by much.
Great analysis
Hilarious. Remember how Kobe had to save LeBron's Team USA? Just ask yourselves this question....if MJ, Kobe and LeBron played on the same team, WHO AMONG THEM IS OBVIOUSLY THE LEADER, THE ALPHA? Who is second?
Even coach K said Kobe save team USA
Do y'all realize every player saved LeBron they all hit the winning shot or the overtime shot
I don't Know who this guy is and I don't care who his top 10 is. Kobe was better than LeBron is and to not have him at all in the top 10 is ridiculous. I don't remember Kobe running away to play with 2 of the top 10 players in the league at that time... TWICE! REST IN PEACE TO ONE OF THE GREATEST. Stop playing with this man.
He’s not better than bron
@@jasonmoukala8909 sure he is
@@double00j75 no he ain’t
@@jasonmoukala8909 1 2 3 4 5 💍on one team without out having to run and team up with two other super stars. Lebron is weak
He disrespected ESPN so they have made a concerted effort to destroy his legacy… it’s sad
Kobe is hardest working, most driven, determined player to ever lace up basketball shoes. He got the most possible out of himself and showed what one could do if you push yourself. He didn’t have giant hands and natural leaping ability like MJ or VC. He wasn’t 6’8 250 lbs with that jumping ability like LeBron. He was a student of the game, an isolated deadly assassin who was never given his just due but always feared by his opponents. MVPs are voted by the media who by and large didn’t like his stoic demeanor. His first year stats were stunted due to playing for a coach who didn’t play rookies. His last few years stats were stunted due to injuries because he pushed himself through everything and never gave excuses. He was a winner and a champion with the heart of a fucking Lion. Put some respect on Kobe Bryant’s name.
You were never out of a game with Kobe. I don't know any players you can say that about. To explain what it felt like as a fan to never be able to turn off the game because you didn't want to miss that unforgettable moment Kobe did the impossible.
This comment right here!!!!
I don’t see what’s wrong with not having Kobe top 10
Its easy to prove that Bill Russel's pre-1964-65 Season Chips & Finals don't weigh as much as those that followed. So why would anyone rank the Star (Kobe) who led/co-led his team to more Finals, more Chips, 2 Finals MVPs, was snubbed from having 2 Season MVPS for legal reasons, and 2nd most All-NBA & All-Defense teams below Russell, Chamberlain, Shaq & Bird? Haters gonna hate. The only reasonable arguments for ranking Kobe fall in the 3-6 range, depending on how the ranker consistently weighs their criteria.
Bryant was born in the Lakers, the most millionare showbiz franchise in all NBA. He had the best coach and was sorrounded since day 1 with the best players around him, O´Neal since day 1, had the most dominant big men with him on all of his championships. Even had MJ as a mentor, Tex Winter as coach; the guy was a product who revieved since he came into the league all the winning ingredientes and items in his career.
To put Byrant as top 10 or better than James you would have to analyze his results if he would have played or at least started with the Charlotte Hornets.
How much would James had won if he´d started in the Pistons, or Lakers or in the Celtics paying with Pierce and Garnett?
Its easy to say that James "went to Miami" haha, well where did Byrant went in the first place?
Why did Bryant stayed in Los Angeles all his career? Why didnt he moved to lets say the Phoenix Suns? or the Minessota Wolves? ...
Because he wasnt stupid. He knew that LA had all the resources he needed (fans, full stadium, the most powerful organization behind him, press etc, al the showbiz behind) to be considerd at the top of basketball.
Thank u someone gets the resources he had in a big market!!!!
@@brandangreen1390 That detracts from his legend. He did not have to fight lonely in a small team from below like Michael Jordan or James himself in his first 9 years all alone in Cleveland
I can not believe he put James over MJ.
WTF!
Just think how many more rings Kobe would have if he was willing to leave the Lakers. He was something special in many ways and he did it for years and years. Between him and LeBron, I don't know who's the better player but Kobe's spirit, the way he played the game giving 100% from start to finish every fucking game, even MJ didn't have that. I admire Kobe so much more than LeBron. It ain't even close.
Kobe definitely wasn't going to sell his soul. He went all out to do it on his own.
I don't why it just occured to me that Shaq particupated in that fixed 2006 final AND that 2002 WCF vs. the Kings. That man should have 2 rings, lol.
There is an argument there lol
Shaq definitely sold his soul to get those Finals opportunities. To his credit he delivered when he went to the Finals. 4-2
I love that dunk on Latrell. He thought he was him..... nope 🤣
You sir get it, new subscriber!
ALL FACTS!!!! Thank YOU!! Beeeeeennn saying this!!!
Kobe didn't beat the Celtics in game 7 Gasol and Artest beat them while Kobe was shooting 6-24
Everybody shot bad that game, it was a defensive affair. The only player with a better defensive rating that game than Kobe was Artest.
Pierce 5-15 (only C w/ + net rating)
Allen 3-14 (0 net rating to match Kobe)
Rondo 6-13
KG 8-13
Sheed 5-11
Vs
Fisher 4-6
Bryant 6-24 (15 rebs)
Gasol 6-16 (18 rebs)
Artest 7-18
Odom 3-8
If that’s the case Bron didn’t beat the 73-9 Dubs. Kyrie did.
@@TeezyfolKKz thank you people always bring kobe bad shooting but every one that was in that finals said that it was more about defense than scoring KG Paul both said the same thing also it was one of the lowset NBA finals in scoring in NBA finals history
That the last NBA finals that great defends matter end of an era today's finals no defense at all
I love the excuses for Kobe shooting bad in the finals in elimination games Kobe shoots 41 percent avg 22 points a game in game 7s Kobe shoots 38 percent avg 22 points a game LeBron avg 33 and 34 points a game on 48 percent shooting but I'll wait for the excuse for Kobe
@@keithmitchell8372 no excuse needed. nobody actually cares about either of our opinions differing.
I tell you this - higher percentage or not every team in the world wants Lebron to shoot a jumper for the game. The same cannot be said for Kobe. Lol
Lebron don’t even want the last shoot. He actually doesn’t even want to “shoot” much. Outside of the paint, this year alone Bron’s one of the worst shooters in the league.
Shaq was past his prime without Kobe..
Shaq you got this ... As soon as he said the word folded
Based on statistics, Kobe is not clutch because his clutch moments success rate was less than 40%.
Lebron is close to 20% in the last 5 second. wher the team needs a bucket to win or tie the game.. Yikes.
LeBron is around 19% with shots less than 5 seconds in his career that are game winning/tying attempts.
Did those stats said was it in the physically zoned defensive era of NBA where Kobe played until 2011 or le flops softy era.
Im a huge LBJ fan but come on now, saying Kobe aint top 10 is just outrageous 😂🤦
Kobe beat more 50 wins team then anyone in NBA history also from 08-10 Kobe score 600pts in the post season the only player to do that
@@jjohnson4013 peach!!!
.... Tell me who in this list has more skill that Kobe stats isn't everything when your dealing with 2 hardest era with no help
Edit : I ment the second hardest era of all time
Insane how people would put curry top 10 and not have Kobe in it lol
That guy is the same guy who thinks Scottie Pippen is a top 5 SF 🤣
this lekaren fan is udderly a lost cause