I just got a GoPro Hero 4 for $42 on eBay with accessories, and I wanted to get a feel for the video quality. Thanks to this vid, I'm glad I made the purchase. Not only is the video crisp, but the audio without a lapel mic is great. (It's currently 2023 as I'm commenting.)
Thanks for making this video! I use a Hero 4 Black for in net goalie videos and am totally impressed with this camera. Stabilization isn't any issue for me and the price point is great for a cam that guys shoot pucks at!
@@TheEverydayDad can I ask for your help? Pls!!! =/ I'm looking for replace my gopro hero 3 white, and I'm between 3 cameras, • The gopro hero 4 black used but new for 170$ • The hero 5 black new for 227$ • The 7 Black for 488$ I just use the gopro for family videos just like party, trips and stuff like that, and new I go out to take some photos. I do not understand much of video editing, so I never edit the quality of images like color sound and etc, so I would like to know which of the 3 cameras has the best video quality directly from the box = /
I don't know how long u follow the GoPro products but before the Hero 5, GoPro cameras were Silver only! Black was the top version of image quality. I got the Hero 4 in Feb 2015 and mine is a Silver version which means, nothing to do with hardware color, less image features comparing to the black. Right Now, we have the Hero 8 which starts with the white version again like the Hero 3.
I have lots of expensive cameras, and just got a Hero 4 Silver for free thinking it would be a piece of junk. Honestly the 4k is unusable on the Silver addition, but 2.7K looks good. Honestly, it's got the best audio I've ever heard from a GoPro. I think its good because it lacks weather sealing. I was able to get like 2 hours of continuous video with it which blew me away.
I think it's well worth it today. To get audio that is close to the same quality from the Hero 6 you have to buy that silly overpriced audio adapter. I think this audio is even better than the Hero 7 as well. Thanks for another great video
Thanks so much! Yeah the audio is shockingly cool every time I hear the audio I'm surprised. I knew it was good because people always talk about it but I still cant get over just how good it is.
Go Pro Hero 4 was the last of the great Go Pros, before they became like Apple and greedy AF, and made everything terrible. My Hero 5 rustles, cracks and pops like NO tomorrow since they decided to make them all waterproof. I have no idea why, when most people don't use them for that.
Just bought one off eBay for $99.99 plus free shipping. I have 2 action camera's and they're dookie the audio is so low in my videos you can barely hear me talking in videos. Hopefully a GoPro won't be a let down. Be nice to do some videos fishing only thing that sucks is the wind might be really annoying in videos.
I have a 3black and 5 session. I'm thinking about getting a 4 black or the later blacks off offer up. The session is good, but I need a removal battery
i was looking at getting a go pro session for moto vlogs too but im liking this alot better because the mic on the session is ass and i need a good mic hoping i can find a refurbished one or something because im not tryna spend that much
I love your reviews bro, epic! For the first time I disagree. Perhaps it was my faulty model, but this camera was the worst gadget I ever had. I was coming from GoPro II and after 4 months fighting against the GP 4 problems and the very inefficient services I have it away. The image OK when the files were not corrupted :)
I just found one on Facebook Marketplace for $75 (didn't even try to talk the guy down) with 4 batteries (3 of them new) plus a host of other accessories. I mainly want to use it for bicycle and Vespa rides, so hope it's sufficient.
How well dose it stand up to the YI 4+ or just the YI 4 Thanks. Your right on the stuff you get in the box is very good compared to the YI. The footage at 7:50 is amazing and just dam good. Thanks Again
Nice review, but the Hero 4 cameras came out in Oct 2014. Thats when I got mine and I still use it to this day. I'll be picking up a Hero 7 mainly for the stabilization but will use my Hero 4 when I don't need it or want better audio.
Can you give me your opinion on these 2 cameras? I have the canon t5 but there is no wifi, no autofocus, flip out screen or mic input. I don't know if I should stick to this camera or sell it and get the M100?? I need a new camera for what I do and I have a hard time making the videos I want!!! Anyways, I just wanted to say this was a very interesting video, thanks for sharing it with us!!!!
I really like the m100 but it’s missing a mic input if you are looking to make videos. You best bet would be to save up just a little more and get something like the SL2 👍
I am able to find them for sale between $50 - $100 that comes in the case with a battery and a mount. That's a great deal for 4k/30 capabilities. A lot of people are looking for $120-$150 for them, but they just aren't moving at those prices.
2021 is approaching quickly. I'm still using a hero 4 silver and the lack of stabilization, and not having 60fps over 1080p really sets this camera back. The best this camera can do is 4k 15fps, which is unusable for everything. The other two resolutions are 2.7k 30fps wide or 1080p 60fps superview. I'm finding I'm always wanting more because I'm seeing more and more people pass me in image quality.
I still use my Hero 3+ - I bought a few replacement batteries, but there has been nothing to make me want to update until the image stabilisation on the Hero 7 black. I'm sure I'll get years more service from the 3!
I too bought a pair of hero4 silvers, thinking they were blacks. Id say though for that price its a good deal depending on what you intend to use them for. Im still very impressed even with them having half the performance, however 4k at 15fps is a joke, hehe. If your fine with 1080 they deliver great, still wishing I had gotten blacks though so I can shoot 1080 120fps for slow motion shots
at 0:07 i thought you were wearing a MAGA hat. I was about to say, it's okay to have a different opinion from half the population but don't you care about your brand? and then I saw that it was not a MAGA hat and I was like... why are politics so god damn divisive?
Man, why do all these camera info videos have the presenter acting like a clown?! I'm here to get useful information, not to be entertained. Sorry, I don't want to be mean, but it seems like a trend that's a bit too much
An old video I know, but I found your video whilst searching Budget Gopro... because I am a total novice when it comes to filming, I have a great opportunity to film footage from a UK Banger Racing track (Demolition Derby) for a whole season. I thought why not give it a go, an oval track one direction flow, I thought easy 4 gopros one looking down at each straight & another one on each corner. Catching the footage from these stationary points (so was thinking the stabilizing thing shouldn't be a problem?). I've researched about field mics & so am going to get a single recorder mounted in the centre of the track catching the surrounding audio. My question is by placing the Hero4 black in the waterproof cases can you still get wifi access, would this camera be up to the job? (Sorry to bombard you with all this, I've not found anyone who can help in the slightest). going to be filming in 1080, im aware im going to need to battery change every hour, the track meets last about 5-6hrs. (Lots of changes of spare batteries/ mem cards needed). Any advice appreciated.
Ive got the whole ra ge of gopros all from the orig hero to the7( and thr two seasions ) watching this makes me want to charge up my hero 4 black and take it out
GoPro basically reset the clock on its cameras when it dropped the hero 5. Yes it gave us the full waterproof camera with no case and yes it gave us a taste at stabilized footage but it had nearly the same on board features as it's predecessors.
It’s now 2022 Dec and us poor folks are still looking at 4 black vs 5 black vs Akaso 6 plus. I can pick up a used 4 black with tons of accessories including an external stereo mic and 3 batteries for $80 and I think he’ll take $70. I’m looking at $90-110 for a 5 black plus $47 for the adapter for a mic plus an external mic. Too much for my non budget at this time. Can you recommend an affordable but decent gimbal? Thanks.
Hey man, 1 question.. do I need to buy audio adapter($50) to connect the saramonic wireless blink 500 ? Or just buy a simple cable to connect the saramonic blink 500 ? I’m still using hero4 silver for my TH-cam content.. thanks for the respond man!
I picked up a 4 Black with every accessory known to GP off Ebay for...$99.00 SHIPPED!! Don't buy a knock off GP, even know the 4 is 5 years old it's CCD is still light years better than the knock offs that are brand new in 2019. The knock offs of 2019 are comparable to the Hero 2's CCD.
I don't own an action camera, and after messing around with my phone and getting a fisheye kit for Christmas that just wasn't focused, because, well, basically it's a lens on a lens, I was and had been interested in one for a while, and after digging and searching, many others including you rave about this camera, and I've seen why, and your comparison, actually influenced me to get one. And I got it for a HUGE bargain I'd say. When most people are watching TH-cam on their phone or Instagram, 2.7k @60fps or 1080p @120 is just amazing for the price! If I told you what I got for the price I got it on eBay, you wouldn't believe me, haha. I'm so excited to use it at the new skatepark addition later this year, and biking, blading, pushing my daughter around, thank you for making this detailed video!
I still have my Hero 4 Black, and I love it! I have recently purchased a Karma Mount, albeit, I would like to buy the GoPro Karma Gimbal stabilizer these days?
I just got the Hero 5 Black for my next adventure in South East Asia. Couldn't get the Yi Lite 4K and other competitors! GoPro Hero 4/5 are still relevant in 2018. Good video!
What makes the GoPro Black cameras great is they are aliasing and moire free. It give the video more of a film look. If lighting is ideal the video can look better than DSLR
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I just got a GoPro Hero 4 for $42 on eBay with accessories, and I wanted to get a feel for the video quality. Thanks to this vid, I'm glad I made the purchase. Not only is the video crisp, but the audio without a lapel mic is great. (It's currently 2023 as I'm commenting.)
Glad you made a comment. I just got one today as a surprise from a buddy. I don't even know how it works yet 🤣🤣
What soo do you use to edit the clips?
App*
Personally I think that the GoPro HERO 4 still holds up in 2020.
=))) Thanks for the video. Wasn't into action cam s back then but it looks pretty good for a 3+ y.o camera
Yeah it really does, I'm impressed with how well it hold up.
I'm watching this video in 2022 because I just bought a Hero 4 Black with a lot of accessories for $80
Thanks for making this video! I use a Hero 4 Black for in net goalie videos and am totally impressed with this camera. Stabilization isn't any issue for me and the price point is great for a cam that guys shoot pucks at!
Yeah thats a definite awesome use for it that definitely wouldn't need stabilization 😁
One of the best videos ever, you are the honest reviewer out there. Greetings and wishes of even more success
Well thanks so much!
@@TheEverydayDad can I ask for your help? Pls!!! =/
I'm looking for replace my gopro hero 3 white, and I'm between 3 cameras,
• The gopro hero 4 black used but new for 170$
• The hero 5 black new for 227$
• The 7 Black for 488$
I just use the gopro for family videos just like party, trips and stuff like that, and new I go out to take some photos.
I do not understand much of video editing, so I never edit the quality of images like color sound and etc, so I would like to know which of the 3 cameras has the best video quality directly from the box = /
I don't understand why it's called Go Pro Hero 4 Black when it's Silver.
I don't know how long u follow the GoPro products but before the Hero 5, GoPro cameras were Silver only! Black was the top version of image quality. I got the Hero 4 in Feb 2015 and mine is a Silver version which means, nothing to do with hardware color, less image features comparing to the black. Right Now, we have the Hero 8 which starts with the white version again like the Hero 3.
apart from the hero 4 session which was black unlike the black...@@JAMESFERNANDEZ
"No, I'm not crying...you're crying!" Haha good stuff TEDD😂 Watch those tears though around Hero 4 without the waterproof housing. Just sayin.
I have lots of expensive cameras, and just got a Hero 4 Silver for free thinking it would be a piece of junk. Honestly the 4k is unusable on the Silver addition, but 2.7K looks good. Honestly, it's got the best audio I've ever heard from a GoPro. I think its good because it lacks weather sealing. I was able to get like 2 hours of continuous video with it which blew me away.
Dead ass.... you have a fantastic voice that could be a voice over videos and animation.
I think it's well worth it today. To get audio that is close to the same quality from the Hero 6 you have to buy that silly overpriced audio adapter. I think this audio is even better than the Hero 7 as well. Thanks for another great video
Thanks so much! Yeah the audio is shockingly cool every time I hear the audio I'm surprised. I knew it was good because people always talk about it but I still cant get over just how good it is.
Agreed
Go Pro Hero 4 was the last of the great Go Pros, before they became like Apple and greedy AF, and made everything terrible. My Hero 5 rustles, cracks and pops like NO tomorrow since they decided to make them all waterproof. I have no idea why, when most people don't use them for that.
Just bought one off eBay for $99.99 plus free shipping. I have 2 action camera's and they're dookie the audio is so low in my videos you can barely hear me talking in videos. Hopefully a GoPro won't be a let down. Be nice to do some videos fishing only thing that sucks is the wind might be really annoying in videos.
I have a 3black and 5 session. I'm thinking about getting a 4 black or the later blacks off offer up. The session is good, but I need a removal battery
Im in love with my Gopro Hero 4, i use it for filming my Drum cover, Surfing and Motobike trip and it still work perfectly 5 years now.
can you live stream with this model?
I use one in my motovlogg videos, and it's a fenomenal camera, excellent image and even better audio.
Still Worth today!
Best regards.
i was looking at getting a go pro session for moto vlogs too but im liking this alot better because the mic on the session is ass and i need a good mic hoping i can find a refurbished one or something because im not tryna spend that much
How do you review your video ?
I love your reviews bro, epic!
For the first time I disagree. Perhaps it was my faulty model, but this camera was the worst gadget I ever had. I was coming from GoPro II and after 4 months fighting against the GP 4 problems and the very inefficient services I have it away. The image OK when the files were not corrupted :)
I just found one on Facebook Marketplace for $75 (didn't even try to talk the guy down) with 4 batteries (3 of them new) plus a host of other accessories. I mainly want to use it for bicycle and Vespa rides, so hope it's sufficient.
How well dose it stand up to the YI 4+ or just the YI 4 Thanks. Your right on the stuff you get in the box is very good compared to the YI. The footage at 7:50 is amazing and just dam good. Thanks Again
It doesn't have the same specs as the yi 4k+ but I think its image quality is pretty darn good for a 3 year old camera.
How about now in 2021 for a hobbyist.
Nice review, but the Hero 4 cameras came out in Oct 2014. Thats when I got mine and I still use it to this day.
I'll be picking up a Hero 7 mainly for the stabilization but will use my Hero 4 when I don't need it or want better audio.
I’m confused... the title is if the GoPro hero4 is good in 2019 but at 0:08 he said 2018.
Can you give me your opinion on these 2 cameras? I have the canon t5 but there is no wifi, no autofocus, flip out screen or mic input. I don't know if I should stick to this camera or sell it and get the M100?? I need a new camera for what I do and I have a hard time making the videos I want!!! Anyways, I just wanted to say this was a very interesting video, thanks for sharing it with us!!!!
I really like the m100 but it’s missing a mic input if you are looking to make videos. You best bet would be to save up just a little more and get something like the SL2 👍
@@TheEverydayDad Thanks for the help! I will definitely check it out! Maybe il wait until the holidays! :)
I love how you talk about this 3 year old technology like it's a tintype or Brownie lol
"3 years ago is when technology dinosaurs roamed the earth..." I feel old
Finding out you have an fz07 makes me want to cry you're channel is SO great and now I'm learning we have the same BIKE
Also you're the reason I'm choosing the hero 4 silver for motovlogging
Oh nice! Yeah I really like my FZ, sucks that its so cold and wet out right now but I look forward to riding again in the spring.
The Everyday Dad yah it's been cold really bad lately, but enjoy you're riding season man! And keep making great videos!
Love the gopros. They should keep make sessions!
Other than possibly needing a gimbal, that's a fantastic little camera!
Yeah it would always need a gimbal but that image quality and audio quality made me think that a gimbal isn't the worst thing.
I'm thinking of getting this for scootering is it shaky?
I am able to find them for sale between $50 - $100 that comes in the case with a battery and a mount. That's a great deal for 4k/30 capabilities. A lot of people are looking for $120-$150 for them, but they just aren't moving at those prices.
mohawktaint what website? I’ve been looking for one as well and $150 is the cheapest I could find on a reliable website
@@cf-fq1ul Found 6 for sale on Ebay for $50 with free shipping. Bargain with people selling them on Facebook marketplace. All used.
What about the Hero 4 Silver? 🤔 Is the silver still worth it?
2021 is approaching quickly. I'm still using a hero 4 silver and the lack of stabilization, and not having 60fps over 1080p really sets this camera back. The best this camera can do is 4k 15fps, which is unusable for everything. The other two resolutions are 2.7k 30fps wide or 1080p 60fps superview. I'm finding I'm always wanting more because I'm seeing more and more people pass me in image quality.
Yes, it is worth buying!!! I really want it so in my thoughts it's worth buying!!!
As I'm looking at my footage today from my Yi Lite and the audio isn't sync'd I'm strongly considering tracking down a used Hero 4 Black.
I picked up a hero 4 silver, great condition, with spare batteries and accessories. For $180. I'm happy with the deal i got. What do you think bro?
Thanks brother. Nice video.
I still love my GoPro hero 4 black and use it as a second cam all the time, especially if there are situations where I don't want to use my Hero 6.
I still use my Hero 3+ - I bought a few replacement batteries, but there has been nothing to make me want to update until the image stabilisation on the Hero 7 black. I'm sure I'll get years more service from the 3!
Awesome dude👍👍😃 was long awaiting this video
Nice! Glad you liked it!
It's a good little camera with great audio and video.
Yeah I’m really shocked at how well it does 😁👍
I have the black with the LCD addon and it's a great camera for video.
U upload at the perfect time 5pm central time is right wen i walk out of work...i get to watch the vids on the way home 🙌🙌😁😁
Nice! I'm glad it works out for you!
Works out perfectly
Verbose, over the top theatrics distract from a straight-forward presentation. It sucks!
I'm considering buying one of these in 2024...
Just pulled mine out of storage. Is it still a good camera? 😆
I’ve recently purchased two GoPro hero4 silver cameras (separately) for a total of $90. Is that a good deal or what do you think?
I too bought a pair of hero4 silvers, thinking they were blacks. Id say though for that price its a good deal depending on what you intend to use them for. Im still very impressed even with them having half the performance, however 4k at 15fps is a joke, hehe. If your fine with 1080 they deliver great, still wishing I had gotten blacks though so I can shoot 1080 120fps for slow motion shots
Hero 4 Silver had the touch screen built in, made ease of use so much better on the 4 series.
at 0:07 i thought you were wearing a MAGA hat. I was about to say, it's okay to have a different opinion from half the population but don't you care about your brand? and then I saw that it was not a MAGA hat and I was like... why are politics so god damn divisive?
Hey how about 10 words or less
GoPro needs to keep the crystal mic
I have this camera it's great
I don't know any 2015 action cameras, but I do know of the verb ultra 30. Could this be a possibility? Thanks!
Maybe, thanks for the idea! 😁👍
Man, why do all these camera info videos have the presenter acting like a clown?! I'm here to get useful information, not to be entertained. Sorry, I don't want to be mean, but it seems like a trend that's a bit too much
Another cool video Tedd. I'm happy for you to finally get to review the camera you really wanted at that time.
I wish the Hero 4 Black was still available in 2024. I've absolutely LOVED using this camera in the past. It was always rock solid and dependable.
An old video I know, but I found your video whilst searching Budget Gopro... because I am a total novice when it comes to filming, I have a great opportunity to film footage from a UK Banger Racing track (Demolition Derby) for a whole season. I thought why not give it a go, an oval track one direction flow, I thought easy 4 gopros one looking down at each straight & another one on each corner. Catching the footage from these stationary points (so was thinking the stabilizing thing shouldn't be a problem?). I've researched about field mics & so am going to get a single recorder mounted in the centre of the track catching the surrounding audio. My question is by placing the Hero4 black in the waterproof cases can you still get wifi access, would this camera be up to the job? (Sorry to bombard you with all this, I've not found anyone who can help in the slightest). going to be filming in 1080, im aware im going to need to battery change every hour, the track meets last about 5-6hrs. (Lots of changes of spare batteries/ mem cards needed). Any advice appreciated.
I just bought four for $50 a piece 😭😁
Okay borther . Thank you so much.who is the best_ 4 black or 7 white?
Thanks for this review and all you do! Wow, audio is really, really good provided you are not using a case.
Its basically just not waterproof without a case and doesnt have voice commands like the hero 5
Basically 😁
@@TheEverydayDad lol
Ive got the whole ra ge of gopros all from the orig hero to the7( and thr two seasions ) watching this makes me want to charge up my hero 4 black and take it out
u make me feel smart that I kept mine....thanx my man
I'm on the fence. Hero 4 now...hero 7 now...OR wait till the end of the year and see if GoPro releases a new camera with updated audio?
GoPro basically reset the clock on its cameras when it dropped the hero 5.
Yes it gave us the full waterproof camera with no case and yes it gave us a taste at stabilized footage but it had nearly the same on board features as it's predecessors.
It’s now 2022 Dec and us poor folks are still looking at 4 black vs 5 black vs Akaso 6 plus. I can pick up a used 4 black with tons of accessories including an external stereo mic and 3 batteries for $80 and I think he’ll take $70. I’m looking at $90-110 for a 5 black plus $47 for the adapter for a mic plus an external mic. Too much for my non budget at this time. Can you recommend an affordable but decent gimbal? Thanks.
Nice shirt 😂👍
I've had the HERO4 Black since it came out in 2015! But I'm gonna turn it in for the HERO7 Black soon!
I'm not crying, youre crying!
Ha! Its kind of a touching camera 👍
I'm not sure if it was scripted, but you're winning a loyal following.
It's 2020 and I am thinking of adding old gopros as part of my multicam streaming setup.
psst...just bought one for 25!!
Alright, I'm sold. Thanks for the video!
Hereo 4 Black only because of the 30fr in 4k, my 4 Silver 15frames is more than enough and with Lcd screen!
Hey man, 1 question.. do I need to buy audio adapter($50) to connect the saramonic wireless blink 500 ? Or just buy a simple cable to connect the saramonic blink 500 ? I’m still using hero4 silver for my TH-cam content..
thanks for the respond man!
I picked up a 4 Black with every accessory known to GP off Ebay for...$99.00 SHIPPED!! Don't buy a knock off GP, even know the 4 is 5 years old it's CCD is still light years better than the knock offs that are brand new in 2019. The knock offs of 2019 are comparable to the Hero 2's CCD.
better DR straight in your settings at this comparison on GOPRO4 compared to 7.. hmmm...
Good for mountain biking...bad for someone who already has a hero 6
Very true, not sure it would be worth the downgrade.
@@TheEverydayDad oh btw I've been watching you for like forever. You know how you used to fantasize about gopros...well i did that on your channel.
You dont talk about the wi fi enabled using App helicopter sound issue
Google it thousands of persons with that problem
I am one.
I don't own an action camera, and after messing around with my phone and getting a fisheye kit for Christmas that just wasn't focused, because, well, basically it's a lens on a lens, I was and had been interested in one for a while, and after digging and searching, many others including you rave about this camera, and I've seen why, and your comparison, actually influenced me to get one. And I got it for a HUGE bargain I'd say. When most people are watching TH-cam on their phone or Instagram, 2.7k @60fps or 1080p @120 is just amazing for the price! If I told you what I got for the price I got it on eBay, you wouldn't believe me, haha. I'm so excited to use it at the new skatepark addition later this year, and biking, blading, pushing my daughter around, thank you for making this detailed video!
Are you sure this footage 100% straight from hero 4 black without any editing in colour or anything?
I still have my Hero 4 Black, and I love it! I have recently purchased a Karma Mount, albeit, I would like to buy the GoPro Karma Gimbal stabilizer these days?
I just got the Hero 5 Black for my next adventure in South East Asia. Couldn't get the Yi Lite 4K and other competitors! GoPro Hero 4/5 are still relevant in 2018. Good video!
My Hero 4 only offers 4K at 24 or 25 fps not 30. Any idea why? I got mine yesterday for £45 so I’m pleased 😀 enough
Gopro hero 4 is Gopro version of Nokia 3310...Aka an tech that was built to last.
If I’m making skate videos with the black hero 4 and the fish eye lens what frames per second should I use
can you continuously record while plugged into a portable usb charger?
I had one but mine got really hot so I returned it and got a refund , think I may have just been unlucky with my particular GoPro
I’m sorry for commenting this late but my hero 7 white is not shooting great quality footage and I was wondering how I could fix this
I have a GoPro hero 7 silver
I'm thinking of buying the Hero 4 now, after much disappointment with cheaper actioncams.
I just picked a GoPro hero 4 today for 25 bucks, and I’m glad I watched this video, thank you
I have a hero 7 black and a Dji magic mini should i buy this GoPro
They should put out update for the touch screen go pros to the style of newer gopros, 5,6,7,8!
Best buy right now is hero 2018 with fw hack imao, if you cant afford the 7 black
Price .??? Plz reply
Our ONREAL B1KS+ will be a killer to Hero 4. Do you want to have a try?
What makes the GoPro Black cameras great is they are aliasing and moire free. It give the video more of a film look. If lighting is ideal the video can look better than DSLR
which camera is better sj6legend or goo pro hero 4 black
What about 2020. Used Hero 4s are around 120 bucks!
and i'm here watching this video with my 3 year old hero 4 black :)
How about in 2022 !
I send my condolences to your friend Isaac. I hope his video gets more views to make the 5 hours of content worth it. 😶
yi gimbal 80 dolares + go pro 4 black 150 $ good dead
I use my 4 black more than any other action camera I have.