The funny thing is, even if he was planning on abandoning Mantle that wouldn't actually mean the evacuation couldn't continue. They couldn't just suddenly launch Atlas into space without destroying the city so it would have had to be a gradual rise, meaning there would still be plenty of time for the evacuation to continue bringing people up to the city while it ascends.
I don't think their I intention was to make him the bad guy per say. Rather a good guy who was so focused on trying to solve all the world's problems himself he unknowingly walks right into the trap he was trying to avoid. And by the end he's so distrustful now he'll likely alienate himself from anyone that could help him he'll be no match for Salem and her hords
No. He most certainly IS the villain. The best course was deadass to stay out to KEEP the trust of the people and the world. Instead Ironwood caused MORE division and made Atlas LESS trustable. He mistakes loyalty for total power over someone, and is supposed to resemble Salem in a few ways, which he does.
@@KraNisOG Then why does RT put MOST of their focus on Ironwood's EVERYTHING this volume? This is about RWBY is it? Why can't we have the entire thing be in the eyes of RWBY and their justifications on why they don't trust ironwood. It's saying a lot during the Dinner Party Scene where like 70% of that episode revolves around Ironwood explaining his reasoning and motivations and actions in the Adult dinner table and NOT the kids that are invited to it. Hell the episode after this when Jaqcues gets called out... one of the scenes WE see is Team RWBy just chilling in the back while the adults are talking. THIS IS HOW IRRELEVANT THEY ARE TO THIS VOLUME.
It's extremely rich for Blake of all characters to say they shouldn't trust him just because he has good intentions, when she's personally abandoned her friends to wander around for almost a year avoiding the White Fang. And it gets even richer when she's the one who tells Robyn about the Amity Project, purely based on thinking Robyn has 'good intentions' in her actions to help Mantle.
Not only that but she “avoids” the White Fang for a small while, antagonizes somebody for thinking the best of her, and then goes after the thing she tried to stay away from anyway and takes all this effort and makes plans to even stop it in the area. Blake is no longer Blake, she is Bland.
I feel like they always paint a new narrative for Blake every few volume that forgets what her old personality and ideals were like and washes them over with whatever fits their script. Like bruh gone V1-3 Blake: the antisocial, edgy brooding catgirl-in-hiding that just ran away from the White Fang to go to Beacon (only to combat them with Sun with no fear whatsoever (maybe cus Adam wasnt there idk)) Gone V4-5 Blake: the literally scared pussy cat that decides to run away once again when Adam showed up, and takes of her character design when coming home with Sun. When doing so, it turns out that shes a douche to Sun for no apparent reason despite showing signs of liking him in V1-3, and lives like a princess in a not so crowded island and then exclaims 'We ARe OppRESsED' when humans have done jack shit to her and is facing off actual victims of human oppression - Adam and Ilia. Gone V6 Blake: the 'omg ur so irrelevant get out my face' gal that faces if Adam again but this time shes not scared cus she has her 1-armed-girlfriend with her, Yang. I still wonder how they got strong enough to face and defeat Adam cus all that changed was their models and clothes, they dont really show them training to become stronger throughout the story soooo bullshit.
yabazYaba%coffee finding out that Blake was a Hawaiian princess this whole time and still took every moment to bitch and moan about the “struggle” was as hilarious as it was stupid.
Well he's not on Team RWBY's side of things and his methods aren't gift wrapped in a pretty bow to keep everyone happy about it.. so OBVIOUSLY he's a villain.. because he's not a naive goody two shoes who's saving who he can at their easiest convenience. Edit-.. I love that this show is bad😂.
What that volume needed was Glynda!.. someone who know's Ironwood and could have a mature sit down with him about his decisions. Someone who would likely tell Team RWBY to SHUT THE F*** UP because the world isn't as black and white as they think it is. They sound like naive goody two shoes who won't get off their high horse. Actually she was one of the few who didn't take any crap from them.
@@thespy6707 True, but to pretend the real world is greyer than it actually is just as bad. There are definitively bad and good people and knowing that means knowing when compromise is out of the question. (Governments like the CCP)
@@arnowisp6244 Well in THIS case.. it is much more than a black and white situation. Team RWBY wants to stay and fight because their dumb and think it's the safer option. Ironwood wants to retreat and take as much as he can before doing so. There is NO COMPROMISE because neither is willing to look at the other perspective. A compromise could have been reached much earlier if both sides (mainly rwby's though) had just sat down with eachother. Instead this volume played out ONE way.. Ironwood makes a decision.. someone on team hivemind complains and complains yet never throws up a proper compromise. Got no sympathy for team rwby because all they ever did was bit***. Honestly if you placed Team RWBY in another show.. like AOT or Naruto.. they would have died YEARS AGO lmao. "Pain is gonna nuke the village?... then.. let's stay and FIGHT!" 😂.
RWBY: "We must save everyone!" Ironwood: "Okay. How?" RWBY: ".... I'm sure we can pull something out of our butt!" Honestly, if all of Atlas was to die and Ironwood was proven right it would be a great reality check for the protagonists. "He who tries to protect everything protects nothing."
Yeah, when exactly have consequences mattered to team RWBY? Remember when they stole an Atlas airship and nothing happened? Remember when they destroyed the only thing protecting Argos and it didn't matter? Remember when Yang had PTSD after V3, but that didn't stop her from kicking Adam's ass easily on the first try? Remember when Ruby struggled with her Silver Eyes, yet managed to freeze the Leviathan and dissolve the Apathy, AND one-shot Cinder with no repercussions? I would love for them to get a reality check, but that will never happen, the writers are way too precious about their main characters, not to mention a large part of the fandom agrees with them and takes everything for granted/as is.
@@historynerd205 remember when they tried to investigate insurgent activity in Mt Glenn, and ended up _provoking_ the attack? At least back then the show had some idea of consequences - *Ozpin* lost authority for allowing them to go in the 1st place.
The headspace excuse doesn’t work when it can apply to ALL of Team RWBY. As you said, Ruby was bawling and on the floor sobbing. Remember, Summer is also Yang’s mom too. Shouldn’t she be just as distressed as Ruby? Plus her and Blake were called out for revealing the truth to Robyn. Weiss also figures out her sister is going to have to kill Fria in order to get the Winter Maiden powers. I don’t hate Miles, but I don’t like his reasoning as to why the AceOps lost. It just doesn’t work imo.
Likr what the hell answer was that? "We didn't wanna make it seem like either side won cause plot armor" well you did a terrible job my guy. At least they acknowledge somewhat why ppl would think its bullshit but i have absolutely no clue how the other half they mentioned could love the fight aside from it looking pretty and them just being so allergic to the main 4 not being portrayed in the correct and best light possible that they'd break out in hives if they did lose or something. From the start the fight scenes were the best part of the show, even after Monty's death they still were (aside from v5) but they cant even keep them making sense in regards to outcome or why they even happen in the first place (everything that led to Clovers death).
Yang said "ruby wasn't even old enough to speak" when she spoke about Tai's depression during her death.. Ruby had to have been like 3 yr olds at max... she never even KNEW summer.. yet acts worse than Naruto did when Jiriaya died.
I think a decent way to have the Ace Ops lose with it still sort of making sense is to have Marrow use his semblance but Weiss uses her time dilation and maxes it out on her team to counteract it to give her team a temporary advantage which would essentially turn the fight into a "beat the clock" sort of thing where they need to use the time dilation effect that Weiss gave the team to their advantage before it runs out and as the fight goes on, they struggle more and more as the time dilation effect slowly runs out on them, but they ultimately win by the skin of their teeth just before the effect fully runs out. That way it's shown RWBY didn't beat them through skill or teamwork, but the fact that they literally had to use buffs in order to even stand a chance and it makes the fight much closer than RWBY just mopping the floor with them without a single loss or scratch. Now I'm not really sure how that would work in execution since this was an idea I sort of shot out off the top of my head without much thought or fleshing out, but I feel like I might be onto something.
@@MagillanicaLouM Its worse when you remember the fact that it was a real team based battle. We had Ruby fight one (Weiss interfered but still), Weiss fights one, and ofcourse Blake with Yang fights two other people. You saw any team attacks? An all out 4 v 4 interchanging battle? Nope. But everyone else who defends that bullshit fight? Just foaming of the mouth about the music, the Yang and Blake tag team finish crap, talking about "teamwork" and Yang using "mind games".
Honestly, they should have had Crow trapped under some wreckage or something while Tyrin fought Clover, and Crow being in the vicinity neutralizing Clovers semblance tips the fight in the mad lads favor. So then it would still be Crows fault and reinforce why he chooses to not be around people. Meaning it be a lot more tragic.
The fact that the only character development we saw on the main characters was about how they became a bunch of hypocritical, bratty assholes, with no concern about consequences whatsoever, and with a power scale that is beyond unbalanced and unnatural is the most frustrating thing about this volume to me.
I think this is why people were so mad about the Ace-Ops losing; it wasn't just that it was unreasonable. It was because we all wanted to see these hypocrites who replaced Team RWBY get some sense kicked, punched and head-butted into them, and the Ace-Ops failed to deliver.
Ironwood tries to make allies, and they lie to and betray him. He has no idea how to beat Salem and everything he tries doesn't work. His best Huntsmen get taken out by self-righteous punks and then ditch him... Yeah. He was the most heroic and sympathetic this volume
He is a reasonable person. Why? Cause the writers wanna make him a villain and what is worse than crossing the hypocite mcs for perfectly walid reasons 🤦♂️
"The Ace-Ops were in a bad headspace. Now, maybe if they'd been on the verge of tears a couple minutes before the fight, they'd have stood a chance, but instead they were focused and passionate. the wrong headspace to be in before a fight." Seriously though, Marrow's the only one who seems like he was in a bad headspace, not wanting to fight and all. Elm's the only other Ace-Op who seemed all that emotional. Even then, her anger's rather confusing, isn't she the one who said she keeps her relationship with the Ace-Ops professional? Why is she so offended by RWBY turning on them? Why does she keep things professional if she still gets so emotional?
@@ProxyDoug Thanks, even discounting Ruby's breakdown over learning about her mother, you'd think RWBY would be in a worse headspace than the Ace-Ops. The latter at least know they have the rest of the Atlas military on their side. Meanwhile, RWBY's apparently striding along confidently with the knowledge that they've made enemies of both the Atlas military and Salem.
Maybe the point with elm is that she's supposed to be that kind of character who says they don't care about anything/anyone then runs into a burning building to save someone. Or that she failed to keep things purely professional with RWBY.
@@thedarklordx Maybe so, but if that's what the writers were going for, they kind of flopped at the execution. We don't see Elm interact with RWBY enough to believe she somehow bonded with them more than the Ace-Ops who she's worked with for a longer period of time. So, it's hard to believe she wouldn't be able to keep things professional, since we don't see any personal interactions between her and RWBY. I mean, RWBY themselves didn't seem to care about Elm at all, so they don't look very close. If she's the type of person who'd run into a burning building to save someone, maybe they could've used that to make Elm sympathetic to RWBY's cause, that really would've put her into a bad head space for the fight. But, we don't see any indication of that. We just see her being furious with them for betraying Atlas, when they're not from Atlas and she apparently keeps her emotions separate from the job.
I don't know about him being a moron, but he clearly made up that excuse after seeing the negative reaction to the RWBY vs Ace-Ops fight. After all, the reason given in the show for RWBY's victory, is that RWBY's stronger than the Ace-Ops due to the montage training they received. The headspace excuse never even came up in the show itself.
Can we make a formal petition for ironwood to be the main character? He’s got an established character, his own good points and flaws, and above all else: ACTUAL CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT.
For me it was the opposite. I just rewatched the season, and realized it was far, FAR better than anyone thinks. And people keep WANTING things to happen thay actually make NO SENSE, compared to the things that would actually make sense in the universe, and for their characters. Used to think like most people until I rewatched all of RWBY with my family, and they made me realize something. Almost anything you hate is actually a nitpick, or 8s something that is only kept by a single, flimsy thread.
@@KraNisOG Lmao So the fact that the first big villain of the show still has zero backstory and has had no character development is a nitpick? The fact that Ruby's proficiency with her mcguffin is not actually dependent on training as was said, but dependent instead on the presence of Cinder. Is that just a nitpick too? What about the fact that Cinder is RWBY's equivalent of Team Rocket without any of the depth or character they had? All she does is fail. Her presence in a scene means less than nothing as she'll just fail, and this should NOT be the case for the series' secondary villain at all. Is that just a nitpick? Get out of here, troll.
Why not have Penni be an actual girl that was on life support, that transferred her soul into a robotic body? That could’ve expanded Peni’s character so much while maintaining the father daughter relation.
That would've been really good! It would also somewhat draw a parallel to Freya, but being hospitalized for one reason or another and not being Winter maidens. Penny could have bonded with her when she visited with Winter. It could've been so good.
It sucks how Ironwood was the only sane individual in that volume, the only one thinking realistically while everyone else was being a self-righteous hypocrite. As someone said below they're no doubt going to make Ironwood a villain because if your not onboard with Team RWBY's way of thinking then your evil or wrong. I agree that this whole volume was Ironwood's, his character development that would allow him to fully embrace what he needs to do to save Remnant. He doesn't care if no one likes him, he doesn't care if his actions are seen as cruel or ruthless. He wants to save the world, and isn't going to apologize just because his method might seem unfair or amoral. Ironwood was screwed over by everyone in Atlas. He was lied to about Salem and Ozpin, his allies went behind his back, his political rivals kept disrespecting him and tried to discredit him just because he wouldn't tell them his plans and he now has Salem to deal with, who is heading to Atlas RIGHT NOW. Ironwood did nothing but try his best to save everyone, got Ruby and co. out of jail, made them Huntsmen and shared his plans with them. He hid nothing from them, and they just spat in his face, talking about how they didn't trust him when Ironwood has done nothing but be honest with them. Ironwood got sick of the lies, sick of children belittling, sick of all this bullshit and decided "fuck you! I'm doing what I feel is right!". You can't save everyone, Ironwood understands this and so needs to make the tough decisions. But Ruby and co. in their infinite wisdom think they can just save the day and protect everyone! Spider-Man is one of the most wholesome and good-natured heroes in all of fiction, and while wouldn't agree with Ironwood's method, he would 100 percent agree that you can't save everyone, that's what Uncle Ben's death taught him. I'm still going to watch the rest of the show because I want to see how it ends, but I still think that RWBY has become a fucking piece of shit show and that Roosterteeth are a bunch of cunts.
It's like the show suddenly became self-aware of how absolutely nuts Team RWBY was and made it the basis of Ironwood's arc. Almost as if 2 completely different writers joined the team, realized the shit covered cards they were dealt, and are actively trying to clean them by wiping them on their shirt. The only way- and i mean the only way- that the characters can be salvaged at this point is by handing them their cake but not allowing them to eat it. Atlas and Mantle need to be wiped off the map completely so the characters can realize that being extremely all or nothing will not work every time.
Here's how RWBY VS Ace Ops would actually go down if the characters were competent: - Marrow uses semblance before fight starts - Ace Ops instantly win because Team RWBY are frozen and can be easily restrained Imagine if Team RWBY did lose the fight and got thrown in prison, and at the start of volume 8 when Salem arrives the characters are unable to do anything about it because they're trapped in a jail cell. They feel helpless and all develop and grow, coming to terms with their situation and discuss what it means to do the right thing even when the world is against you, rationalising their own side of the argument as well as Ironwood's, thus opening their eyes more and more to what it means to be a Huntsman. Having strengthened their determination and will, they decide not to give in and break out of to stop Salem and save Mantle. Damn what a missed opportunity. Anyway, great review as always, Vexed. Thoroughly enjoyed every second
I was about to say "Marrow didn't want to fight them," but then I remembered that if he didn't want to fight them he really should have just used his semblance so they could be captured peacefully from the beginning. Unless Weiss somehow managed to bring out her stand before he could za warudo them, but... eh. Many of RWBY's base concepts have been flawed since their first usage. If they didn't want to talk about race - and trust me, they really didn't - the White Fang should have been supremacists from the start, and Faunus should have had equal rights. Heck, get rid of the Faunus wars, no one in the show gives a shit about them.
@@theguywithsomething8634 That's what *I* said! Supremacists from the start is much easier to work with as antagonists! I really don't count Marrows Semblance as Za Warudo, because, well, it only affects certain people. Not, you know, The World.
Nah!! If that happened we wouldn't have gotten a big spectacle fight. With lots of BB team-up action, Crushing trash talk from Ruby, and Weiss finally getting a big win! RWBY triumphant as always with out so much as a scratch against this pitiful team of noobs who never stood a chance. With this win RWBY are now the Best Huntsmen in the world! Your scenario sounds too logical, sensible and boring.
I really don't like how our protagonists treated Ozpin in volume 6 and how they treated Ironwood in volume 7. These men spent the majority of their life trying to protect Remnant who are you to condemn them and proclaim yourselves as the righteous ones? They literally just learned of Salem and they suddenly know better than Ironwood and Ozpin?? After reading the Infinite Man from the fairytales of remnant book, our protagonists look like a bunch of jerks even more. Ozpin literally got people killed for trusting someone and team rwby expects him to trust them when they barely know each other lmao. And in volume 7 they didn't even trust Ironwood either and even betrayed him, told Robyn information Ironwood specifically entrusted to them when they weren't even sure if Robyn was even a good guy. What would they have done if she was secretly working for Salem? They would have been boned then. The two trully good characters in this show are both being painted as wrong because our protagonists should always be right. 🙄
someone else who sees Ozpin as a good person, if vol 6 is where people just started to think Ozpin is bad than fuck vol 6, take the apathy out and that vol desolves into trash
@@observer2484 In the fairy tales of remnant book that Roosterteeth released, there's a story called "The Infinite Man". It's a story of when Ozma gained a bunch of followers and they were called The Circle. One day a group of warriors attacked the Circle and their leader wanted to fight to the death with Ozma. The warrior and Ozma had an agreement that once one of them died, it would be the end of the battle and they would leave The battle raged on and Ozma thought that if they fight for longer, there will be many casualties and he didn't want anymore in The Circle to die because of the battle, so he let himself get killed, trusting the warrior's promise that the battle will end with one of them dying and no one else will get killed When he was reincarnated, he looked for The Circle and found out the warriors didn't keep their promise and killed everyone of his followers This is why Ozma has trust issues
It’s 8 years in we don’t know shit about anything really. M&J simply don’t know how to write . Plain and simple. The characters are just one trait and that’s it. Granted it was always like that, but RWBY barely had much time to tell it’s story pre volume 3. But now, there’s no excuse.
The new writers apparently haven't contributed much, either. But I don't hold them as responsible. They didn't start out with this broken as fuck storyline.
This volume was a mess Ruby was too arrogant Jaune Ren and Nora were dumped to the side again Blake and Yang went behind Ironwood and told Robin a useless character about classified information, Ironwood was the only good character in this volume
Its funny too. They tried so hard to make Ironwood a villian,only to fail and make our main protagonist the bad guys. I don't mind the trope because Invader Zim and Infinity War exsist after all,but still it's just laughable. This is just like "Timmy and Jimmy:Power Hour 3" we saw back in 2005.
Nora making out with Ren is what distracted him from sensing Tyrian(which he's proven he could do) and is partly responsible for the massacre.. yet of course.. never crosses her mind and the show never makes it a point to punish her or any of team hivemind lol
Qrow was a useless overly edgy dumbass (he used to be my favourite, RIP), Ace Ops were prop characters with no soul, Robyn was an illogical unlikeable idiot, Cinder was still pointless and an obvious Azula rip-off (but with none of the charm, motivations, weight and development), Neo, like, why was she even there, Penny was plain fanservice and all of her previous interesting character traits were erased because cInaMMoNrOll UwU, am I forgetting anyone?
An argument I hear in regards to the Ace Ops vs Rwby and the Qrow, Tyrian and Clover fight is the idea of, "Well if this character did x then we wouldn't get a fight." I'm of the mindset where if you can't get a scene to makes sense or be logically consistent then the scene has no business being made. Biggest examples of this is Marrow can freeze/slow the movements of anyone he's facing and Harriet can quickly cuff everyone or Vine can hold them down (like he did with the grimm). The powers on display are OP and Marrow doesnt have a major drawback from using it, so why isn't that the tactic the ACEs use? Well because the fight would end in a matter of seconds. Understand this, the writers should be able to write logical and consistent characters especially when it comes to a fight, none of the characters here are idiots and the ACEs have been shown to be a team and work well in combat. Ace Ops would win in seconds because that makes the most sense when you have a character that can freeze the enemy in quick succession. The fight only lasted as long because everyone in the room (mostly the ACES) forgot their abilities. If Writers really wanted the fight they should've wrote it to make sense, instead of making everyone an idiot, or better yet dont have the fight at all if it doesnt make sense. As for the Qrow fight, which personally I like more because the choreography, it looks nice (though some parts are dont make sense) that fight suffers from the same issues as before with the Ace ops everyone is an idiot, except Tyrian (lord almighty he's the smartest one there). Its another example of the this if character didnt do x then there wouldn't be a fight, Robin picking a fight with Clover which leads to Tyrian being freed and crashing the plane. honestly I would've bought the scene a little bit more if it had just been a grimm attacking and crashing the plane. Then we have to go through both Clover and Qrow's choice to continue FIGHTING. both of them should've stopped fighting after the plane crash, again everyone makes he stupid decision except for Tyrian. Then Qrow teaming up with Tyrian. That moment destroyed Qrow's character for me, Vol 5 and 6 he was pretty useless, why would Qrow trust the psycho murderer that has been trying to kill him, his niece, her team, innocent people and works for the big bad that presumably got Summer killed. WHY? I mean to be fair Clover's stupid for telling Qrow he'd only help Robin if he came quietly. You could've had the scene written where plane crash breaks everyone's aura shield, Qrow and Clover try to help Robin from the wreckage, Tyrian does that sneaky shit and wounds or kills Clover while protecting the two or something. if you want fight then dont make Qrow and Clover stupid and have Qrow team up with the psycho. As a whole these two fights to me feel like the writer wanted to have their cake and eat it too. We want the hero's to fight each other, but we're not going to put in the leg work for it to make sense.
See, this is logic that works and that's the problem with 99% of those fights, that they *logically* don't make sense and break character(s), leaving you going "huh"? Action-wise they work well, otherwise, just no.
I could honestly totally see why Blake would want to tell Robyn. Blake’s seen well-meaning extremists turn bad in the worst ways (Adam), and it would make perfect sense for someone like Blake to not want to see another Adam get created when she has a way to stop it. Now if *only* there had been more moments drawing comparisons between the two, and Blake wasn’t the character equivalent to soggy cardboard, and Robyn was even a remotely likable character.
One of the weirder things about RWBY is that its like the perfect show for fan fixes . . . like the pieces are almost always there for a better story that the writers just don't tell for one reason or another.
I feel bad for Ironwood. His back must be hurting from carrying this volume. Also calling it now: RWBY Volume 8 will have Ruby and Cinder team up to kill Salem.
Um...you DO remember that Salem is immortal, right? Ozma obliterating her just pissed her off, and that was when he was closer to her level of power. Ruby and Cinder wouldn't be able to do shit.
This is why I subscribed to you Vex you are one of the very few people who sees the flaws that this show has and expand apon them and try to make it better like a true critique should Thank you so much for all your hard work I don't care if the Fandom hates you because you're out here speaking facts RWBY is not a terrible show but it does have flaws and I wish the FNDM would just open their eyes to the truth and stop bashing on people like you just because you say something negative about RWBY is absolutely stupid so Thank you so much Vex continue your hardworking and dedication later man 😉👍
I agree but RWBY is a pretty terrible show.. It wasn’t the best Vol1-3 but if you liked the concept watching the progression could be your thing. Though sitting through Vol 4-5 is pretty hard to do unless you’re a fan. I’m a fan & I stopped not even mid-volume 5.
Have you ever watched Twiins iink? She has really good reviews where she not only points out the bad but also tries to find good stuff in every episode. She explains in detail why certain scenes don't work and suggests alternate scenarios, often using edits or illustrations.
Do u exist on yt lmao im i dislike rwby as well but what u just isnt tru i mean like at this comment section but just look up rwby vol 7 reviews alot are negative
Volume 7 made most of the protagonists be hypocrites, in volume 6 they were yelling at Ozpin/Ozma for keeping secrets. And now they're the ones keeping secrets. I wish in volume 8 there's some sort of understanding when Oz comes to meet RWBY and the others. I wish this show lived up to the promises and potential it had, but it still has SOME hope. But, it depends if these shitty writers want to improve on the overall show, or their bank.
You know, I kind of hope after everything that happened one of the protagonists will apologize to Ozpin too. Probably won't happen because RWBY is never wrong though.
K. True, they mainly have no consequences to their actions, even if its stupid. “Robbing a whole airship”, no consequence. “Lying to Ironwood”, no consequence, ended up beating the Ace-ops. On the other hand, every other person gets some sort of consequence to their actions. I hope they change this.
@@jt_mendez Protagonist centered morality at its finest. Not only that but the writers had to make everyone else stupid for the heroes to win (RWBY effortlessly beating the AceOps? Yeah right). When the universe bends to the heroes' will for plot to happen, you know your writing is bad.
What annoys me is that the show is basically telling us RWBY is right in all this, and being against them means you're the villain. I'm still fucking annoyed Ruby talked down to Qrow for being sensible about them stealing from a foreign military. Holy shit.
Ironwood, the only character with actual common sense in the whole damn series. First time I want the whole main cast to die for their own stupidity and simply being the worst, looking at you Blake.
Ironwood is literally surrounded by idiots. Even his elite huntsmen squad the Ace Ops are irritatingly stupid! Ironwood declares Ruby and folks to be criminals that should get subdued and the Ace Ops read this as "Ignore everything else that's going on and only focus on them!" They know that Salem has infiltrated Haven, so instead of having those in Haven defend the base of operation and Ironwood, they fight with Team RWBY. And Clover was about to let Tyrian escape to subdue Crow!
Same. Watching these RWBY criticism videos have actually taught me more on how not to write even more than some of my creative writing books. The show is deeply flawed, and it was close to being good early on if Miles and Kerry had taken the time to do basic editing. But now, volume 7 is unsalvageable trash, and I see it getting far worse from here...
There is a quote from a cartoon that used to come on when I was a kid that perfectly sums up Team RWBY! *"I would rather be on a ship with a thousand enemies, than serve one day with a fool!"*
I said it from the beginning! IRONWOOD WAS RIGHT!! RWBY are just a bunch of short sighted idealistic fools! If one of the major characters doesn’t die next volume in response to their stupid decision, I will no longer be able take the stakes in this series seriously.
You mean you've been able to take them seriously until now? Lol With the return of Penny, I'm no longer convinced they won't proceed to use the Staff of Creation for resurrection hijinks in the future.
@@loiiysailor1177 Lol remember the speech in volume 6 Ruby gave to Qrow about how her and the rest of the team manage to take care of themselves without the help of adults?
@@A-Bot779 if that's the message they try to push they really suck at it Ruby ask for her uncle to stay with her but now she saying she dosent needs him,like make up your mind already ! you can't just say kids rules adult drools If the adult is still with them not mention they have two adults which is inside ocsur body also they stay with adult like Ironwood , they could have easily tell him to F off we don't need you , winter who is the older sister of Weiss sitting there in pain awhile Weiss could have eailsy help her , oh that's right F adults let's leave winter in pain because aduts sucks , this is such a fail from RT not mention half them are adults themselves is this means the hate themselves ? is means miles and Kerry have mommy and Daddy issues they just pushing their issues on into this show , they are so many animations just proof what happens if adults are gone it never fricking works out every single time , over and over again their messageing sucks it really really sucks
@@RodimusMinor1987 They have too many characters to follow, which is partly why their writing can be all over the place when it comes to arcs and development. But come to think of it, what would Jean even do in Atlas? Like, what WOULD be his arc? I think they made the right decision not to focus on him this time around.
I feel kinda bad, because in V4 - V6, he actually had some decent moments and development. I like that he was mad at Qrow in V4, I like how unhinged he became when he saw Cinder (even if the fight scene sucked) and I love how he briefly lost it after learning the truth about Salem. It's completely understandable why he would distrust/hate Ozpin and his inner circle, since they got Pyrrha killed. Welp, all of that gets thrown away in V7 and he gets reduced to just the comic relief once again. Oh well...
39:31 Miles, one of the main writers of the show literally just confirmed that *Powerlevels don’t matter/exist in RWBY.* There is no scaling, they literally decides who wins based on probabilities, depending solely on the pairing and not their actual abilities.
I swear man Salem needs to win she needs to steam roll any opposition that gets in her way, that's the only thing aside from Team RWBY admitting they fucked up that will get anyone invested in this show again, Volume 8 is going to make or break this franchise.
023 Studios The only reason we think Salem is strong is because, she hasn’t physically fought Team RWBY yet. *-Ruby prob..* All jokes asides, the only reason there’s tension about Salem v Everybody is bc we know Salem can’t be “killed”. If it weren’t for that mystery all Tension would be eliminated for RWBY, as the show is basically hanging on Salem’s sole thread.
Funny. In trying to debate whether or not Ironwood was trustworthy, team RWBY proved to be the most untrustworthy. It's ironic and accidental writing at its finest.
If anything really, Ironwood was the one consistently good character in this Volume. As for everyone else... RWBY: Team RWBY? More like Team RW and Team BY. JNR: They have no reason to be there other than the Ren and Nora thing that they were pigeon-holed into. Winter: She's... there. I... guess. Penny: She has kinda reason to be there. Ace-Ops: Atlas Greatest Collection of Individual Disappointments. 7 started strong, but ended on a whimper, which started from that disaster of a fight that is RWBY VS Ace-Ops
Ironwood is the only character I would defend now since this volume showed us how much he had to dealt with. The man sacrificed so much of himself to try and stop a unkillable enemy.
Done with the whole vid. Man, I love you Vex. Your content is a must-see for any aspiring writer. You excel at pulling back and getting a bird's eye view of the story. You look at all the moving parts and make sure they're in sync as a whole organism. I still love RWBY despite its flaws- it's a dumb show but having less than stellar writing isn't a crime- and might not agree with everything you say, but I always look forward to your content. You would be great on any writing team for a project.
The best part is the breakdown of how each event contributed to Ironwood's arc and very little else. This is how a writer should be thinking when they go back to edit a show like this. "What has my writing accomplished?" is the question I don't think the writers of RWBY really understand. Watching the writer's commentaries, what they say is in their heads often doesn't come out in the show; you get the sense that they aren't getting an objective view from an editor who can tell them, "hey, so you wanted to convey X, but instead you conveyed Y". Vexxed would be a great editor!
The best part is the breakdown of how each event contributed to Ironwood's arc and very little else. This is how a writer should be thinking when they go back to edit a show like this. "What has my writing accomplished?" is the question I don't think the writers of RWBY really understand. Watching the writer's commentaries, what they say is in their heads often doesn't come out in the show; you get the sense that they aren't getting an objective view from an editor who can tell them, "hey, so you wanted to convey X, but instead you conveyed Y". Vexxed would be a great editor!
I like how Oscar had to be the bigger person out of team RWBY and JNR and told Ironwood the truth even apologized on their behalf, says a lot about them.
I think one thing that I still laugh about is how stupid it felt to me for them to keep Fria alive. Oh, she's an old woman. It's nice to let her have some peace and die in a peaceful manner. Yeah but... that's time they're wasting when they could ensure Winter gets the powers and already be training for them. If Ironwood is totally fine letting the masses suffer for the big picture, why the hell should he care about the comfort of an old woman in her final days? If he was smart, they would have transferred the power to Winter already. It also bothers me how long Yang took to rush to Ruby's side after Salem's comment. Summer Rose was her fucking mom too. Yang's a shit character and an even worse sister.
She only cares about Blake and no one else she only cares about Ruby when she feels like it also she hates both of her real mom and her other mom , Yang is terrible and nothing more she all she dose bitch punch things and being a smip for Blake that's her character now
@@loiiysailor1177 As a younger sister myself who is very close with my older, half-sister, I know for a fact that if we were in the same room and I started crying, she would be at my side in an instant and hugging me. Yang should be ashamed as a big sister for that delayed reaction. Tsk tsk
Zephyros Phoenix Don’t forget how in volume six when they we’re running away from the apathy yang prioritized Blake, the girl she should be mad at over her own sister.
to be honest, Ironwood has always been caring, his decisions were always trying to save as much people as possible, so if he kill someone that is close to him, it would be kind of OOC, specially when the though decisions he made, were at crucial moments, so he would not kill Fria, until it was completely necesary, and he actually was willing by the end. so that part was ok.
@@henrybenitez313 Agreed. RWBY's a weird show like that, Ironwood seems to be pretty consistently written, from when he was introduced and up through this volume, while lore, time passage, other characters, mechanics, and etc are terribly inconsistent. There are some good scenes and character arcs that shine out for a moment, and even these end up forgotten development never used effectively, or retconned, or...Pennied. It's like if they focus on it too much, they ruin it, like Neo or Nora and Ren. I'm not sure what to make of their writing on Ironwood yet, only the next volume will show if they're going to cheapen his arc or continue it in a satisfying way. I hate where they took Qrow's arc, and....well most arcs really. Ugh. I don't know if I like Ironwood because he's actually a good character, or if he just looks good by comparison. That beard tho, +4 charisma by itself right there.
Tyrian laughing like a maniac wearing the captain's hat was the peak of this volume you can't convince me otherwise. The man always makes me laugh whenever he's on screen and is so unapologetically a villain that it makes him one of the only characters I actually like.
It's a shame they never give Yang much to do anymore. For all of V5's flaws at least she was actually active. She's basically just been a side character in Volumes 6 and 7, either fighting her girlfriend's battles for her or otherwise doing nothing. Yang's basically just fanservice now, and I don't mean that in just the attractiveness way (even if she definitely has lots of that too). She's the most powerful of the MCs, she's always a badass in fights, and she gets shipteasing out the ass with Blake. That's it. She reminds me of post-Kamino Bakugo in a way, except at least Bakugo is implied to matter to the overall story still. It's just a shame because she could be so interesting if they just put the effort in, but... they don't. And I mean Yang's probably the most popular character in the series and her merch flies off shelves whenever they make something for her so who am I to judge, it's clearly working for them.
@@benjaminmcneil574 I believe OP meant that she spoke out when things bothered her, she actually did things outside of Bumblebee (going to meet her mother and getting the relic). Or how she was still mad at Blake in V5. I'm not saying V5 Yang didn't make dumb decisions, but it was clear that she was still a character and not just a part of a ship/token lesbian/token-big-sister-but-only-when-it's-convenient-for-the-plot.
They're going to pull something out of their ass and make Ironwood look bad. I mean, I don't know how they're going to show us convincingly that Team RWBY can actually win against Salem, but I expect Team RWBY to win. I expect the writers to always make them win, even if it doesn't make sense
Fetta Cheeze I’ve heard about that. Wasn’t the gist of what Salem said “I killed you’re Mom, lol”? You know, a revelation that some members of the audience saw from as far back as Salem’s reveal in Volume 3?
One thing that really bugs me about volume 7: Ruby's group got taken into custody and thrown in a "Prisoner transport ship" back in episode 1, Qrow and Robin were caught and thrown into a "Prisoner transport ship" in the last episode, so my question is this. Why wasn't tyrian put in a "Prisoner transport ship" when they caught him? If they had been using a "prisoner transport ship" the pilots would've been safe when Tyrian got loose.
Volume 7 was the volume that made me lose interest in RWBY. Just as I thought that we're finally getting somewhat better writing on the show after volume 6, they went two steps back with volume 7, it felt like I was having flashbacks of volume 5. A lot of pointless scenes, v5 had pointless dialogue, v7 had pointless actions.
Yeah there were sprinkles of "ok this aight" but much of it pointless or underdeveloped. Then having chapter 12 just nuke any kind of hope of better writing it chapter 11 brought. Like Qrow went from "he's an alright guy" to "ew get this dead bird off my hood". I just can't anymore either, Vex's videos will be the closest i get to watching now
"I'm sorry." "I'm so Sorry." "Hello again!" Pyrrha? Is that you? You look so much older... male... and with great facial hair... *ignoring the frantic scribbling of JaunexIronwood capitalizing on this moment of weakness to level the playing field with RubyxOscarXOzpin* Crackshipping jokes aside, Vol 7 is where the Man Behind the Curtain is being exposed. Even if you believe that Monty wasn't the greatest storyteller ever, at least he knew the premise he was going for and stuck with it. At this point, you can't hide it anymore with Vol 7 and it's been a slow decent into madness since Vol 4. THERE. IS. NO. CONSISTENCY. IN. RWBY. It is the greatest weakness and most glaring flaw in this show. Even the most fledgling amateur writers understand consistency. Hell I expect a considerable lack of it from someone who is just starting out or someone writing something humorous that doesn't take itself seriously. That's something you'd expect in Red vs Blue, the concept that started this whole Company. Have a serious moment, then suddenly something wild and off the wall happens with no relation to the moment of drama AND IT'S CONSIDERED NORMAL. This is supposed to be a team of professionals who do this for a living, yet they can't seem to figure out when you're writing something other then comedy, you need to have a layer of consistency to help the audience suspend their disbelief that these things can actually happen. They are WORSE then beginners who have just sat down to pen their first words. That is the very definition of 'Retarded'. They tried to turn a cute slice of life with elements of adventure and intrigue into a full blown action adventure story. And it's not working. Hell the original premise was barely being held together by Monty whom Shane tells us had to regularly fight Miles and Kerry to preserve the concept he wanted. Cute girls with outrageous weapons go to High School to learn how to fight Evil Monsters with Outrageous Fighting styles and occasionally get involved in Heroic Law Enforcement work. What they're trying to get us to now accept is: Rogue Loose Cannons who don't play by the rules go on a epic journey to save the world from an ancient evil... while ostracizing official support because they're bad girls who don't play by the rules and everything is solved by the power of Friendship. Also look how virtuous, progressive, and socially aware our company is! Even as a 20+ year writer, I'd struggle to get that latter concept to work properly while still being 'Politically Correct' and supportive of 'current age social struggles'. Kind of hard to write a story about Law Enforcement Trainees who bend and break the rules while supporting the whole 'FUK DA POLEESE' who are raging about actual Law Enforcement bending and breaking the rules of 'polite society'. At which point I'd rather go ahead and just start making the main cast unaware terrorists who believe they're doing good-waaaaaait a minute....
Ironwood is like Erwin from Attack on Titan. They're willing to sacrifice everything for the greater good and have the mental strength to bear with they're decisons while being resented by every1. They even have badass names
The only issue is, Erwin actually made questionable decisions and was not necessarily an entirely good person. You could debate on whether or not he was right. The framing was also on point, because it was also gray, AoT wasn't trying to shove down your throat that he was evil/good. Ironwood in RWBY is just correct, his decision is the only appropriate one in that situation. Yet, they still frame him as a villain of sorts, with no reasoning behind it, other than "He is not as naive as the protags.".
@@historynerd205 Very true. Erwin's motivation was particularly not as pure as Ironwood's. He just wanted to know if humans were outside the walls, to determine if his father's theory was true. And the ghosts he saw before he died in the final charge...Erwin felt the weight and guilt of all the lives he sacrificed. He did obviously take the sacrifices of his soldiers seriously, to the point of sacrificing himself completely as well, and to him the results his actions produced were what made the lives that were lost count. AoT's framing is, "you are backed into such a corner of a situation that none of your decisions will be 'good', you just have to make the best decision possible, which by everyone else's standards is a 'bad' decision because of how many people die from it." The idea is that the ideal is never possible. To be sure though, I'd like to see who of the two would win Best Eyebrows.
Honestly now that I'm looking at RWBY more critically I think a ton of the stupid stuff in this show can be attributed to CRWBY having extremely crippling tunnel vision. They didnt care about how Adam went out, they just wanted Blake and Yang to have a triumphant moment They didnt care about developing the AceOps because they just wanted to introduce a rival team subplot I could go on but I think everyone can fill in the blanks.
My personal issue with the whole thing is that instead of blabbering about trusting or not trusting Ironwood, they could have straight up focused on bring afraid of the news causing him to have a breakdown! My biggest concern was not Ironwood betraying anyone, but that the information will make him lose his head and do something stupid! For the message about "trust" this volume wanted to deliver on, the trust issues between Ironwood and any other official would have been more than enough. In all honesty, if they wanted to have the team be unsure about telling him, there should have been debate and fight between them about telling Ironwood instead of everyone being on the same page at all times. The Crow v Clover fight made no sense from any perspective! Why was Clover prioritizing Crow's arrest over the serial killer who works with Salem? Take down Tyrian and when you are unable to also arrest Crow, well then you have done what you could! If he had won the fight and told Ironwood that he let Tyrian escape to capture Crow then Ironwood would have probably threw them into a cell together because he could not trust someone as incompetent as Clover! I really did like Ren's breakdown though. It was never really explained, but it just seemed to make sense to me for some reason.
Ironwood tired his best, worked with everyone, sacrificed for the greater good. And what did it get him? Being labeled a villain. He tried so hard, gave up everything. But in the end, it didn't even matter
There's another inconsistency. Maidens can only be females. Yet, Penny became a Maiden, but her soul comes from a man, therefore it's contradictive to have her become a Maiden, as she is merely a shell with a personality (aren't we all?).
One great lie to ruin the whole season lol. Besides the Volume 7 is a huge nothingburger to me. If Volume 8 is any better I'll just pretend that 85% of Volume 7 never existed
I’ve been pretending since season 4........ All of the build up from the first three seasons were wasted on half ass writing and janky fighting animation. I know the show didn’t start up “perfect” but at least it was entertaining and the choreography wasnt so jarring. Im still checking up on the show but man am I getting more and more detached from the entire show.
The funniest thing about main characters' "we must save everyone" bs at the end of Vol.7 is how "consistent" it is: from what we've been shown in Vol.8 teaser trailer, they decide to leave the kingdom and "alert everyone", because it's either Atlas falls or all kingdoms fall. I don't think I should even explain what's the problem with that. Thinking of it now, I believe the apathy episode actually showed RWBY's real thoughts: the team is all for saving and protecting, doing heroic stuff, etc., but only as long as they don't risk anything and things don't get too hard. I mean, let's look at the Vol.7 finale - say, Ironwood went with their idea and tried to save Mantle and beat Salem. Considering RWBY and co's position, there would probably be hundreds, if not thousands of soldiers and drones between them and the big bad. And those soldiers would be the ones paying the bloody price. Showing such a flaw in the MCs would be great deconstruction... Too bad the writers aren't smart enough to do that.
Ironwood was right. It was either save as many people as you can or die trying to hopelessly save everything. Sometimes you have to sacrifice one thing in order to save another.
I hated two things more than anything this volume. First, Ironwood is portrayed like a villain, when in reality he's one of the only people making sense. Second, and more egregiously, Qrow. Obviously, they replaced Vic which is sad enough as it is, but then they go and destroy the character too. First, they seem to immediately start him on a relationship with another guy, which I'm still not sure about. I don't give a shit if a character is gay or not, but if it blatantly contradicts the established character, then there's a problem. He's been shown thus far to be a pure and simple ladies man and a frequent drinker, albeit usually not to any extent that would harm him. Now he's something else entirely. Secondly, and this absolutely shocked me when I watched it, HE SIDES WITH TYRIAN!! Dude has been hunting down your niece AND nearly killed you with poison, but now you're going to team up with him to fight your fucking ALLY?!?!?! Sure, Clover wasn't his ally at the moment, but what the fuck kind of horrible monster do you have to be to take the side of your mutual enemy to the point of killing someone you care about?! As you said, Qrow killed Clover, there's no two ways about it. Fuck this show, I can't keep track of all the characters they've fucked up. At least Pyrrha died before they could ruin her.
The only thing i disagree with is about the fight. People dont know how to analyze fights (cough cough) still fresh in my mind since i had to somewhat defend it a lot. Qrow did not team up entirely against clover just forced into a worse case scenario where CLOVER keeps attacking qrow even when qrows going for scorpio. Entirely on Clover, which messes up his character and not qrows.
@@discorddrowned6970 You mean they completely threw him under the bus and cut all ties with him when there was absolutely no proof whatsoever of any wrongdoing, just baseless accusations that he was horrified by. I'm still stunned that anyone at Rooster Teeth could do that to him after years of calling him a coworker and friend. To my knowledge, no actual proof of wrongdoing was EVER brought up, and he basically got shunned from his employers anyway.
@@ishmel11 The point is, there should be no scenario where Qrow attacks Clover in the story that we were presented with. Even worse, he attacks Clover while directly aiding an enemy who has already tried to kill him AND his niece. Tyrian even kills Clover with Qrow's weapon! There's no reason why that fight should have gone that way. Even if Qrow and Clover weren't being established as friends (or more) there is absolutely no reason why Qrow would ever do anything that would be even close to helping Tyrian.
The only way this show ends is when Warner Media kills Rooster Teeth for good, i have no sympathy for any of the people working on this show with the way they have treated the fans and have gone about doing absolutely nothing to fix this show from the start as well as giving people lip service, empty promises, and a bucket load of excuses. I'm shocked how these guys can look themselves in the mirror and actually be proud with what they produce and then praise it like its the next best thing.
@@bencegergohocz5988 I think you misread their comment. They said that they have some sympathy for the animators, but they have no sympathy for the directors, producers, writers, VAs, etc.
I've seen people hate Ironwood. And I'm like, "The dude who trusted our heroes, gave them upgrades, Huntsmen licenses, is working on plans to fight back against Salem?"
There's 1 thing to this that I frankly do not get. When Watts arrives at the communication tower, he realizes that it "Wasn't finished, it was bait" but earlier in the volume when Ironwood was on the TV with Robyn Hill, he says "The tower is completed" and her semblance confirms this to be true. Am I missing something here? Or is this a plot hole?
Robyn showed to everyone that he was telling the truth about the communications tower but after that they showed only Ironwood's face to hide the face that he was lying about it being finished.
@@garyconstanza3120 At first they were telling the truth, but they hid the fact that he started lying by giving Ironwood a close-up when he said it was finished. Everyone assumed he was still telling the truth given how everyone knew how Robyn's Semblance worked. It was all an elaborate ploy to lure the villains into a trap.
I love Jason Liebrecht in...practically everything else; he would do much better here if he tried to make it his own and not emulate some lowlife with a bootleg Funko 🤣
Honestly sick of team Rwby and the holier than tho attitude , ( at least in my opinion) their hypocrisy of telling off Ozpin for keeping things from them then just forcing him to have to witness his past (which was messed up in itself cause they basically made him watch his loved one turn into what she is now , and watched the deaths of his daughters again which probably messed him up mentally the first time ) then all of a sudden when THEY keep information which was vital to the operation a secret and lied to ironwood’s face on multiple occasions , along with going behind his back and telling someone who they barely knew about an operation that was meant to be a secret . Also just all of a sudden not trusting someone who: -was also in Ozpin’s inner circle with Qrow -Gave them their license -Welcomed them with open arms giving them a place to stay and eat -updates their outfits (along with the one weapon upgrade for Jaune) And was genuinely on their side not keeping anything from them. Apparently when it’s them its ok I guess??? Honestly I’m just sick or team Rwby’s we’re always in the right attitude and I’m just mad on how team Rwby and ect treated Ironwood.
If nothing else, I really hope Ruby gets her old voice back, it’s becoming a nuisance to my ears and she’s the _main character_ (albeit barely). It seems like the only thing the CRWBY would actually care to fix in the show.
I would of liked it better if Oscar functioned as a support for Ironwood during the season. It’s clear that his only purpose in team RWBY is going to be the stress bag whenever someone gets mad at Ospin. He’ll only be Ospin’s next incarnation and not his own being. Him developing into something more is likely slim with how the authors are taking it.
I don't like season 7 because they were trying to make ironwood as bad as Salem but it was a morally grey situation, and everyone just follows what ruby does and no one at least tries to challenge her ideas. None of the main cast even tried to offer any solutions to iron wood. What makes robin hill more trust worthy than the man that you saw defend your asses at the fall of beacon? Winter was robbed of the winter maiden and was turned into a loser like qrow. I expected Jacques Schnee to be some cross between Mr burns and Ed Wuncler, a cunning business man that will do whatever it takes to get what he wants, but he is literally a joke. Why does the richest man in the world need watts help to cheat in an election? He can literally pay people to do that on his own. I wish we actually got to explore atlas,not mantle. I don't mind penny coming back, but she should've been a different penny one with little to no emotions but serve the military. I know we're past the faunas discrimination arc but I find it odd that Adam is the only faunas we see with a SDC brand on himself, Blake should've been looking around for more enslaved faunas in season 7. In a place like atlas there definitely should be more enslaved faunas lying around. I don't blame the main characters for not feeling excited for getting their licenses, all the handful of hunters we've seen thus so far suck and died and our main characters have accomplished more than those hunters. Three years at beacon to be a crossing guard?
There was an RTX long ago explaining Jame’s semblance. It’s to help him make hard decisions. That’s literally it. HIS BASIC FUCKING SEMBLANCE FUCKING MAKES THE MOST LOGICAL DECISION AND RWBY STILL SAID “NO❤️”
You know,the way RWBY made Ironwood a villain for no good reason was almost the equivalent of what happened in "Timmy and Jimmy: Power Hour 3" where they basically made someone a bad guy for no good reason except to create a plot. Can Rooster Teeth sell this IP already?
The problem with all of these "hard decisions" is that they're not hard at all because if the girls really wanted to the Captain America shtick all they would have to do is stay behind up to the last until they died trying to get people out. That's what would truly happen and has happened multiple times in history. Those that are doing the saving give of themselves until they die getting people out. However, that would be too high stakes for this show because for some reason this huge group must survive every encounter even though crap is supposed to be hitting the fan.
yeah in the clip shown cap basically says blow it up if you want but I;m not leaving he's very matter of fact about it and this forces them to try to save everyone it''s kinda dumb but he would have let them blow it up with him on it
Because the rwby fandom holds the title of "dumbest fanbase". There's a guy in here who told me Ironwood's decisions are only to make him comfortable.. I couldn't believe my eyes... literally every decision he makes has more and more people hate him because it inconveniences their lives. I'm convinced that if Mantle existed in our world... that they would have been those dumb people who protested 'No Masks' earlier this year.
cinder in vol 1: hahaha i'm evil and i want power! cinder in vol 2: hahaha i'm evil and i want power! cinder in vol 3: hahaha i'm evil and i want power! cinder in vol 4: ... cinder in vol 5: hahaha i'm back! i'm still evil! i still want power!
cinder in vol 6: hahaha I'm evil and I want power cinder in vol 7: hahaha I'm evil and I want power ciner I'm vol 8: hahaha I'm evil and I power oh and I also have a backstory
I liked Ironwood before this volume. He was the only member of the inner circle that had doubts about Ozpin's plans and wasn't just always blindly following him, which is probably the source of the conflict between him and Qrow back then. Qrow has little respect it seems for Atlas or its military, but Ironwood not being a good little soldier and only doing as he's told is what actually rubs Qrow the wrong way. This volume only made me like Ironwood more and feel that RWBY honestly has no clue what they're doing. Ironwood is what makes this volume memorable or even work. His character arc is great and it's sad that I feel they are trying to set him up as a villain than a someone with the weight of the world on his shoulders and trying to do the best he can as even his allies work against him to some degree. I think a big problem with RWBY asa group is that they haven't faces consequences for their actions. They get by on dumb luck or because someone protects them somehow. An unauthorized mission in Vale that causes civilian casualties as a war machine rampages through the city? Nothing happens and Ozpin may have even used his influence to get the matter dropped. The Breach is only stopped from being a total disaster by the intervention of JNPR and Atlas and team RWBY treats it as a solid win that doesn't require them to step up their game even though none of them won their fights. They walk into a trap at Haven and only survive and get the relic because of Raven's actions and that Adam antagonized the people of Menagerie with the attack on the Belladonnas. Yang might've talked Raven into handing the relic over, but even that was only because Raven beat Cinder and Adam wasn't able to blow up Haven. They haven't really had a major loss or setback since volume 3. They don't seem to regard Salem as the threat they should, especially once the White Fang is out of the picture. Even when Ruby talks to Salem, it's basically acting like if she is heroic sounding enough, Salem will give up or be swayed by her words. Because it's not like anyone ever tried to stand up to the immortal witch that could probably single handedly wipe out Atlas before. Even if Ironwood's plan to raise Atlas is a temporary measure at best, it still will save many lives and keep a relic out of Salem's reach. It just doesn't change anything for the rest of Remnant. Mantle is most likely doomed, but is only useful to Salem in drawing away Atlas troops or as a bargaining chip. Vacuo will still be attacked no matter what. Mistral has nothing of interest for Salem outside of petty revenge on Raven. Beacon is still under her control most likely. Atlas wasn't exporting Dust or other goods, so it's not like the other kingdoms weren't already dealing with that. Ironwood's plan saves some lives and buys some time to try and maybe figure something else out. His plan for Amity and revealing Salem's existence is at least a plan no matter the questions of its feasibility in aiding the other kingdoms. It removes Salem's anonymity and provides a common enemy for everyone to work against. Sorry for the rambling, but Ironwood is one of the best characters and one who is actually facing that hard decisions must be made. But, we're supposed to root for RWBY whose plan is a death match against an immortal witch that is more powerful than their whole group combined. The wonders of protagonist based morality. A quote I always liked from Dr Who was "If you can't save everyone, then at least save someone". RWBY would rather save nobody if everybody can't be saved. I can only hope Atlas falls and they have to deal with the fallout and wonder if they actually did the right thing. Also waiting for Robyn to betray them because of Salem promising to spare Mantle if she helps get the relic for her.
V7 is just V5, remastered and with a budget. On the writing part though, it's on par with V5. It doesn't help that adding two writers did not help deal with the mood swings, make storylines more substantial, and CRWBY took this long to even consider it. Had it not been for the last shot of Ironwood losing it, I might not even consider V8 because I want to see where he can go from there.
Bad Things. 1: Team rwby you're defeating a team of professional Hunters with barely any training.. some may argue that Team Ruby are familiar with their fighting styles but that should also be vice versa considering the professional team Should Also Know How Team Rwby Fights.😂😂 2: Ren x Nora.. Why? What's already been established that they were Couple in Volume.. It would have been better if the relationship was Subtle. Lol.. how did Neo know To Transform Into Nora? Why Did Ren hesitate despite knowing that it was Neo?.. Why Would Neo resort to using that trick if she was easily capable of taking him down. 3: Oscar Punching Neo and Her not Reacting To It. 4: Qrow Siding With Tyrian. I'm sorry but I should not have to explain myself a why I put this down. 5: Ironwood Shooting Oscar.. Oscar was only one that was honest with him and he knew it..😂😂 it's just that the cheap way of trying to villainize Ironwood. Realistically it would been better if I would simply knocked him out knowing that Oscar Is Low On Aura and Captures Him To Keep A Close eye On Him.. besides killing him what only make the situation worse for him and after hearing Oscar's concerns about his Personalty being absorbed.. Ironwood Wonder if it is possible collective Souls into Robots which would result Oscar Soul and Personality being his Own. 6: the writing in general in the handling all the characters is complete crap. I got more things to say but exhausting to think about Rwby's terrible writing
@@youwayo Good Things? Potential... but now it's just wasted potential. Are you aware That Monty Oum's Wife implied that Cinder fall was supposed to be more of a revolutionist/ Anti Villian. Not a one-dimensional villain that sociopathic and power-hungry... if that is the case and that would mean that it is possible that Cinder wants to free the world from Salem and Opzin Constant Influence... basically if you play Fire emblem houses she would be somewhat similar to Edelgard( but it depends know what route you play)
The funny thing is Ironwoods character arc was unintentional the writers wanted to make him the bad guy but made him the unsung hero of the series.
The funny thing is, even if he was planning on abandoning Mantle that wouldn't actually mean the evacuation couldn't continue. They couldn't just suddenly launch Atlas into space without destroying the city so it would have had to be a gradual rise, meaning there would still be plenty of time for the evacuation to continue bringing people up to the city while it ascends.
I don't think their I intention was to make him the bad guy per say. Rather a good guy who was so focused on trying to solve all the world's problems himself he unknowingly walks right into the trap he was trying to avoid. And by the end he's so distrustful now he'll likely alienate himself from anyone that could help him he'll be no match for Salem and her hords
@@trueblaze84 Then again every good and badass thing Ironwood does now is excused and meant nothing because "SEMBLANCE"
No. He most certainly IS the villain. The best course was deadass to stay out to KEEP the trust of the people and the world. Instead Ironwood caused MORE division and made Atlas LESS trustable. He mistakes loyalty for total power over someone, and is supposed to resemble Salem in a few ways, which he does.
@@KraNisOG Then why does RT put MOST of their focus on Ironwood's EVERYTHING this volume? This is about RWBY is it? Why can't we have the entire thing be in the eyes of RWBY and their justifications on why they don't trust ironwood. It's saying a lot during the Dinner Party Scene where like 70% of that episode revolves around Ironwood explaining his reasoning and motivations and actions in the Adult dinner table and NOT the kids that are invited to it. Hell the episode after this when Jaqcues gets called out... one of the scenes WE see is Team RWBy just chilling in the back while the adults are talking. THIS IS HOW IRRELEVANT THEY ARE TO THIS VOLUME.
"Guys, they're worried about an election? An evil witch is flying towards them on a whale!"
This line made me laugh so hard. XD
try saying that to someone without any context
"I know more about Watts than this Wench." Did it for me.
@@DocMicrowave
For me it was
"Qrow subconsciously wants to be miserable"
@@herpderp5727 LOL, that was the other one I wanted to remember. That beats mine.
@@DocMicrowave Qrow's got a kink LOL.
This feels like a Telltale Game.
"She's the only one making Sense around here."
*Weiss won't remember that*
Johannes Seyfried
RWBY'S betrayal
*Ironwood won't forget that*
@@Terrance07 Don't you mean ironwoods betrayal????
@@bluewhale513 They were expressly working FOR Ironwood, so it's RWBY's betrayal.
@@Runesmither
They were moreso working with Ironwood to fulfill a goal that would affect the whole world, not for him.
@@lilchristuten7568 either way, Rwby basically betrayed him when they decided to lie to him and go behind his back
It's extremely rich for Blake of all characters to say they shouldn't trust him just because he has good intentions, when she's personally abandoned her friends to wander around for almost a year avoiding the White Fang. And it gets even richer when she's the one who tells Robyn about the Amity Project, purely based on thinking Robyn has 'good intentions' in her actions to help Mantle.
I literally hate everyone in this goddamn show
Not only that but she “avoids” the White Fang for a small while, antagonizes somebody for thinking the best of her, and then goes after the thing she tried to stay away from anyway and takes all this effort and makes plans to even stop it in the area. Blake is no longer Blake, she is Bland.
@@CNWhatImSaiyan Cheers bro I'll drink to that
I feel like they always paint a new narrative for Blake every few volume that forgets what her old personality and ideals were like and washes them over with whatever fits their script.
Like bruh gone V1-3 Blake: the antisocial, edgy brooding catgirl-in-hiding that just ran away from the White Fang to go to Beacon (only to combat them with Sun with no fear whatsoever (maybe cus Adam wasnt there idk))
Gone V4-5 Blake: the literally scared pussy cat that decides to run away once again when Adam showed up, and takes of her character design when coming home with Sun. When doing so, it turns out that shes a douche to Sun for no apparent reason despite showing signs of liking him in V1-3, and lives like a princess in a not so crowded island and then exclaims 'We ARe OppRESsED' when humans have done jack shit to her and is facing off actual victims of human oppression - Adam and Ilia.
Gone V6 Blake: the 'omg ur so irrelevant get out my face' gal that faces if Adam again but this time shes not scared cus she has her 1-armed-girlfriend with her, Yang. I still wonder how they got strong enough to face and defeat Adam cus all that changed was their models and clothes, they dont really show them training to become stronger throughout the story soooo bullshit.
yabazYaba%coffee finding out that Blake was a Hawaiian princess this whole time and still took every moment to bitch and moan about the “struggle” was as hilarious as it was stupid.
The thing that sucks is clearly they are going to make ironwood a villain
Probably, but you know what? I have hope. Hope that the writers will not suck.
Well he's not on Team RWBY's side of things and his methods aren't gift wrapped in a pretty bow to keep everyone happy about it.. so OBVIOUSLY he's a villain.. because he's not a naive goody two shoes who's saving who he can at their easiest convenience.
Edit-.. I love that this show is bad😂.
What that volume needed was Glynda!.. someone who know's Ironwood and could have a mature sit down with him about his decisions. Someone who would likely tell Team RWBY to SHUT THE F*** UP because the world isn't as black and white as they think it is. They sound like naive goody two shoes who won't get off their high horse. Actually she was one of the few who didn't take any crap from them.
@@thespy6707 True, but to pretend the real world is greyer than it actually is just as bad. There are definitively bad and good people and knowing that means knowing when compromise is out of the question. (Governments like the CCP)
@@arnowisp6244 Well in THIS case.. it is much more than a black and white situation. Team RWBY wants to stay and fight because their dumb and think it's the safer option. Ironwood wants to retreat and take as much as he can before doing so. There is NO COMPROMISE because neither is willing to look at the other perspective. A compromise could have been reached much earlier if both sides (mainly rwby's though) had just sat down with eachother. Instead this volume played out ONE way.. Ironwood makes a decision.. someone on team hivemind complains and complains yet never throws up a proper compromise. Got no sympathy for team rwby because all they ever did was bit***.
Honestly if you placed Team RWBY in another show.. like AOT or Naruto.. they would have died YEARS AGO lmao. "Pain is gonna nuke the village?... then.. let's stay and FIGHT!" 😂.
RWBY: "We must save everyone!"
Ironwood: "Okay. How?"
RWBY: ".... I'm sure we can pull something out of our butt!"
Honestly, if all of Atlas was to die and Ironwood was proven right it would be a great reality check for the protagonists.
"He who tries to protect everything protects nothing."
I REALLY hope that the entire KINGDOM is burned to the ground because of RWBY's actions...becausw that's CLEARLY the only way they're gonna learn:/
Yeah, when exactly have consequences mattered to team RWBY? Remember when they stole an Atlas airship and nothing happened? Remember when they destroyed the only thing protecting Argos and it didn't matter? Remember when Yang had PTSD after V3, but that didn't stop her from kicking Adam's ass easily on the first try? Remember when Ruby struggled with her Silver Eyes, yet managed to freeze the Leviathan and dissolve the Apathy, AND one-shot Cinder with no repercussions? I would love for them to get a reality check, but that will never happen, the writers are way too precious about their main characters, not to mention a large part of the fandom agrees with them and takes everything for granted/as is.
@@historynerd205 remember when they tried to investigate insurgent activity in Mt Glenn, and ended up _provoking_ the attack? At least back then the show had some idea of consequences - *Ozpin* lost authority for allowing them to go in the 1st place.
It wouldn't have that effect. The writers would find a way to make it Ironwood's fault.
@@justincooper1342 Well... You were pretty much right.
The headspace excuse doesn’t work when it can apply to ALL of Team RWBY. As you said, Ruby was bawling and on the floor sobbing. Remember, Summer is also Yang’s mom too. Shouldn’t she be just as distressed as Ruby? Plus her and Blake were called out for revealing the truth to Robyn. Weiss also figures out her sister is going to have to kill Fria in order to get the Winter Maiden powers.
I don’t hate Miles, but I don’t like his reasoning as to why the AceOps lost. It just doesn’t work imo.
"Military Pros getting rattled by a bunch of teenagers" will forever be a stain on the "Older" Huntsmen
Likr what the hell answer was that? "We didn't wanna make it seem like either side won cause plot armor" well you did a terrible job my guy. At least they acknowledge somewhat why ppl would think its bullshit but i have absolutely no clue how the other half they mentioned could love the fight aside from it looking pretty and them just being so allergic to the main 4 not being portrayed in the correct and best light possible that they'd break out in hives if they did lose or something. From the start the fight scenes were the best part of the show, even after Monty's death they still were (aside from v5) but they cant even keep them making sense in regards to outcome or why they even happen in the first place (everything that led to Clovers death).
Yang said "ruby wasn't even old enough to speak" when she spoke about Tai's depression during her death.. Ruby had to have been like 3 yr olds at max... she never even KNEW summer.. yet acts worse than Naruto did when Jiriaya died.
I think a decent way to have the Ace Ops lose with it still sort of making sense is to have Marrow use his semblance but Weiss uses her time dilation and maxes it out on her team to counteract it to give her team a temporary advantage which would essentially turn the fight into a "beat the clock" sort of thing where they need to use the time dilation effect that Weiss gave the team to their advantage before it runs out and as the fight goes on, they struggle more and more as the time dilation effect slowly runs out on them, but they ultimately win by the skin of their teeth just before the effect fully runs out. That way it's shown RWBY didn't beat them through skill or teamwork, but the fact that they literally had to use buffs in order to even stand a chance and it makes the fight much closer than RWBY just mopping the floor with them without a single loss or scratch. Now I'm not really sure how that would work in execution since this was an idea I sort of shot out off the top of my head without much thought or fleshing out, but I feel like I might be onto something.
@@MagillanicaLouM Its worse when you remember the fact that it was a real team based battle. We had Ruby fight one (Weiss interfered but still), Weiss fights one, and ofcourse Blake with Yang fights two other people. You saw any team attacks? An all out 4 v 4 interchanging battle? Nope.
But everyone else who defends that bullshit fight? Just foaming of the mouth about the music, the Yang and Blake tag team finish crap, talking about "teamwork" and Yang using "mind games".
Honestly, they should have had Crow trapped under some wreckage or something while Tyrin fought Clover, and Crow being in the vicinity neutralizing Clovers semblance tips the fight in the mad lads favor. So then it would still be Crows fault and reinforce why he chooses to not be around people. Meaning it be a lot more tragic.
You deserve to be top of the comment section
Damn you really just did better writing than the rwby crew
Shit, that’s good
Huh. That actually makes sense.
Damn you just out wrote those idiots at rooster teeth. XD
It’s sad the only good thing about Robin is her voice actress and a meme.
That's what fanfiction is for
ONLY!
Cristina Vee deserved better
@@lukejones7164 wait... That was her!? They just wasted a good voice actress like that?
Yeah literally. Not redeeming at all
The fact that the only character development we saw on the main characters was about how they became a bunch of hypocritical, bratty assholes, with no concern about consequences whatsoever, and with a power scale that is beyond unbalanced and unnatural is the most frustrating thing about this volume to me.
And team RWBY not getting off their high horse anytime soon
I think this is why people were so mad about the Ace-Ops losing; it wasn't just that it was unreasonable. It was because we all wanted to see these hypocrites who replaced Team RWBY get some sense kicked, punched and head-butted into them, and the Ace-Ops failed to deliver.
John King that pretty much sums it up
So... teenagers in general?
@@shinmalphur2734 These guys are almost in their 20s. It's about growing up.
Ironwood tries to make allies, and they lie to and betray him. He has no idea how to beat Salem and everything he tries doesn't work. His best Huntsmen get taken out by self-righteous punks and then ditch him...
Yeah. He was the most heroic and sympathetic this volume
Not really a fan of rwby but ironwood sounds like an awesome character
he is too bad the writers and the toxic fandom doesn't see that because they too busy doing this 😵
He was, once.
Dreary doll He is. Probably the best in the entire series.
He's the best, I honestly don't care about team rwby anymore, and volume 7 made sure of it.
He is a reasonable person. Why? Cause the writers wanna make him a villain and what is worse than crossing the hypocite mcs for perfectly walid reasons 🤦♂️
"The Ace-Ops were in a bad headspace. Now, maybe if they'd been on the verge of tears a couple minutes before the fight, they'd have stood a chance, but instead they were focused and passionate. the wrong headspace to be in before a fight."
Seriously though, Marrow's the only one who seems like he was in a bad headspace, not wanting to fight and all. Elm's the only other Ace-Op who seemed all that emotional. Even then, her anger's rather confusing, isn't she the one who said she keeps her relationship with the Ace-Ops professional? Why is she so offended by RWBY turning on them? Why does she keep things professional if she still gets so emotional?
You hit the nail on the head on why that answer made no sense.
@@ProxyDoug Thanks, even discounting Ruby's breakdown over learning about her mother, you'd think RWBY would be in a worse headspace than the Ace-Ops. The latter at least know they have the rest of the Atlas military on their side. Meanwhile, RWBY's apparently striding along confidently with the knowledge that they've made enemies of both the Atlas military and Salem.
Maybe the point with elm is that she's supposed to be that kind of character who says they don't care about anything/anyone then runs into a burning building to save someone. Or that she failed to keep things purely professional with RWBY.
@@thedarklordx Maybe so, but if that's what the writers were going for, they kind of flopped at the execution. We don't see Elm interact with RWBY enough to believe she somehow bonded with them more than the Ace-Ops who she's worked with for a longer period of time. So, it's hard to believe she wouldn't be able to keep things professional, since we don't see any personal interactions between her and RWBY.
I mean, RWBY themselves didn't seem to care about Elm at all, so they don't look very close.
If she's the type of person who'd run into a burning building to save someone, maybe they could've used that to make Elm sympathetic to RWBY's cause, that really would've put her into a bad head space for the fight. But, we don't see any indication of that. We just see her being furious with them for betraying Atlas, when they're not from Atlas and she apparently keeps her emotions separate from the job.
I don't know about him being a moron, but he clearly made up that excuse after seeing the negative reaction to the RWBY vs Ace-Ops fight. After all, the reason given in the show for RWBY's victory, is that RWBY's stronger than the Ace-Ops due to the montage training they received. The headspace excuse never even came up in the show itself.
Can we make a formal petition for ironwood to be the main character?
He’s got an established character, his own good points and flaws, and above all else: ACTUAL CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT.
*Sigh* Bad News...
@@aiboy2073 oh no
I'll be honest, I think Ironwood is the best character in the show, but his writing is not the greatest.
The writing in general is not the greatest, sadly
Even tho I'm team Salem, I stan ironwood.
He might not be the best, but he’s certainly best boi.
@@sagescribe_ Sad, but true.
Nah he's far from it
I don’t even watch RWBY anymore, I just find your analysis of their incompetence entertaining.
Keep up the great work.
You and me both. This comment. *Period.*
I’ll still watch RWBY, but you’re totally right. His commentary on these topics is SUPER entertaining 😄
It wasn't until I watched this video that I actually realised how much of the Volume I had forgotten even happened ngl
Me too. Like the most I remember are certain fights and Salem meeting the cast. That’s it.
same
That means really bad writing if it becomes forgettable 5 minutes later....
For me it was the opposite. I just rewatched the season, and realized it was far, FAR better than anyone thinks. And people keep WANTING things to happen thay actually make NO SENSE, compared to the things that would actually make sense in the universe, and for their characters. Used to think like most people until I rewatched all of RWBY with my family, and they made me realize something. Almost anything you hate is actually a nitpick, or 8s something that is only kept by a single, flimsy thread.
@@KraNisOG Lmao
So the fact that the first big villain of the show still has zero backstory and has had no character development is a nitpick?
The fact that Ruby's proficiency with her mcguffin is not actually dependent on training as was said, but dependent instead on the presence of Cinder. Is that just a nitpick too?
What about the fact that Cinder is RWBY's equivalent of Team Rocket without any of the depth or character they had? All she does is fail. Her presence in a scene means less than nothing as she'll just fail, and this should NOT be the case for the series' secondary villain at all. Is that just a nitpick?
Get out of here, troll.
Why not have Penni be an actual girl that was on life support, that transferred her soul into a robotic body? That could’ve expanded Peni’s character so much while maintaining the father daughter relation.
That would've been really good! It would also somewhat draw a parallel to Freya, but being hospitalized for one reason or another and not being Winter maidens. Penny could have bonded with her when she visited with Winter. It could've been so good.
Too smart for RT
@@lawsonrg01 lmao
Because the writers are braindead.
And it would make more sense why she becomes a maiden
It sucks how Ironwood was the only sane individual in that volume, the only one thinking realistically while everyone else was being a self-righteous hypocrite. As someone said below they're no doubt going to make Ironwood a villain because if your not onboard with Team RWBY's way of thinking then your evil or wrong.
I agree that this whole volume was Ironwood's, his character development that would allow him to fully embrace what he needs to do to save Remnant. He doesn't care if no one likes him, he doesn't care if his actions are seen as cruel or ruthless. He wants to save the world, and isn't going to apologize just because his method might seem unfair or amoral.
Ironwood was screwed over by everyone in Atlas. He was lied to about Salem and Ozpin, his allies went behind his back, his political rivals kept disrespecting him and tried to discredit him just because he wouldn't tell them his plans and he now has Salem to deal with, who is heading to Atlas RIGHT NOW.
Ironwood did nothing but try his best to save everyone, got Ruby and co. out of jail, made them Huntsmen and shared his plans with them. He hid nothing from them, and they just spat in his face, talking about how they didn't trust him when Ironwood has done nothing but be honest with them.
Ironwood got sick of the lies, sick of children belittling, sick of all this bullshit and decided "fuck you! I'm doing what I feel is right!". You can't save everyone, Ironwood understands this and so needs to make the tough decisions. But Ruby and co. in their infinite wisdom think they can just save the day and protect everyone!
Spider-Man is one of the most wholesome and good-natured heroes in all of fiction, and while wouldn't agree with Ironwood's method, he would 100 percent agree that you can't save everyone, that's what Uncle Ben's death taught him.
I'm still going to watch the rest of the show because I want to see how it ends, but I still think that RWBY has become a fucking piece of shit show and that Roosterteeth are a bunch of cunts.
Wait... So killing everyone to save a few people isn't the completely morally, logically, and ethically correct thing to do? Whhaaat?
@@kana22693 hm, yes, because they can reproduce and repopulate means that we should kill the other >7 billion people.
It's like the show suddenly became self-aware of how absolutely nuts Team RWBY was and made it the basis of Ironwood's arc. Almost as if 2 completely different writers joined the team, realized the shit covered cards they were dealt, and are actively trying to clean them by wiping them on their shirt.
The only way- and i mean the only way- that the characters can be salvaged at this point is by handing them their cake but not allowing them to eat it. Atlas and Mantle need to be wiped off the map completely so the characters can realize that being extremely all or nothing will not work every time.
Beautifully said.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Man I’m sure lucky they can’t/haven’t ruined me yet!
Here's how RWBY VS Ace Ops would actually go down if the characters were competent:
- Marrow uses semblance before fight starts
- Ace Ops instantly win because Team RWBY are frozen and can be easily restrained
Imagine if Team RWBY did lose the fight and got thrown in prison, and at the start of volume 8 when Salem arrives the characters are unable to do anything about it because they're trapped in a jail cell. They feel helpless and all develop and grow, coming to terms with their situation and discuss what it means to do the right thing even when the world is against you, rationalising their own side of the argument as well as Ironwood's, thus opening their eyes more and more to what it means to be a Huntsman. Having strengthened their determination and will, they decide not to give in and break out of to stop Salem and save Mantle. Damn what a missed opportunity. Anyway, great review as always, Vexed. Thoroughly enjoyed every second
Pretty good also they could contemplate on the fact that none of the events would've happened if they told Ironwood the truth in the first place.
@The Doge-Emperor of Dogekind Shameful...just shameful.
I was about to say "Marrow didn't want to fight them," but then I remembered that if he didn't want to fight them he really should have just used his semblance so they could be captured peacefully from the beginning. Unless Weiss somehow managed to bring out her stand before he could za warudo them, but... eh. Many of RWBY's base concepts have been flawed since their first usage. If they didn't want to talk about race - and trust me, they really didn't - the White Fang should have been supremacists from the start, and Faunus should have had equal rights. Heck, get rid of the Faunus wars, no one in the show gives a shit about them.
@@theguywithsomething8634 That's what *I* said! Supremacists from the start is much easier to work with as antagonists!
I really don't count Marrows Semblance as Za Warudo, because, well, it only affects certain people.
Not, you know, The World.
Nah!! If that happened we wouldn't have gotten a big spectacle fight. With lots of BB team-up action, Crushing trash talk from Ruby, and Weiss finally getting a big win! RWBY triumphant as always with out so much as a scratch against this pitiful team of noobs who never stood a chance.
With this win RWBY are now the Best Huntsmen in the world!
Your scenario sounds too logical, sensible and boring.
Tyrian: yar har
fiddle dee dee
hijacking a airship is alright with me!
Crashing it into the ground, you see
I am the Captain!
What
@@brandonb4742 Its a Lazytown reference.
This is gold-
@@aceofheartss1972 it's precious BOOTY
"Look at me...I am the captain now"
I really don't like how our protagonists treated Ozpin in volume 6 and how they treated Ironwood in volume 7. These men spent the majority of their life trying to protect Remnant who are you to condemn them and proclaim yourselves as the righteous ones?
They literally just learned of Salem and they suddenly know better than Ironwood and Ozpin??
After reading the Infinite Man from the fairytales of remnant book, our protagonists look like a bunch of jerks even more. Ozpin literally got people killed for trusting someone and team rwby expects him to trust them when they barely know each other lmao.
And in volume 7 they didn't even trust Ironwood either and even betrayed him, told Robyn information Ironwood specifically entrusted to them when they weren't even sure if Robyn was even a good guy. What would they have done if she was secretly working for Salem? They would have been boned then.
The two trully good characters in this show are both being painted as wrong because our protagonists should always be right. 🙄
someone else who sees Ozpin as a good person, if vol 6 is where people just started to think Ozpin is bad than fuck vol 6, take the apathy out and that vol desolves into trash
Team RWBY is now just four twitter inserts, people who know nothing but think they’re always right
CRWBY logic is the same logic as Star Wars sequel trilogy.
"Ozbin literally got people killed for trusting someone". What do you mean by that?
@@observer2484 In the fairy tales of remnant book that Roosterteeth released, there's a story called "The Infinite Man". It's a story of when Ozma gained a bunch of followers and they were called The Circle.
One day a group of warriors attacked the Circle and their leader wanted to fight to the death with Ozma. The warrior and Ozma had an agreement that once one of them died, it would be the end of the battle and they would leave
The battle raged on and Ozma thought that if they fight for longer, there will be many casualties and he didn't want anymore in The Circle to die because of the battle, so he let himself get killed, trusting the warrior's promise that the battle will end with one of them dying and no one else will get killed
When he was reincarnated, he looked for The Circle and found out the warriors didn't keep their promise and killed everyone of his followers
This is why Ozma has trust issues
It’s 8 years in we don’t know shit about anything really. M&J simply don’t know how to write . Plain and simple. The characters are just one trait and that’s it. Granted it was always like that, but RWBY barely had much time to tell it’s story pre volume 3. But now, there’s no excuse.
The new writers apparently haven't contributed much, either. But I don't hold them as responsible. They didn't start out with this broken as fuck storyline.
Se least y’all had fun gameplay RWBY doesn’t even have good fight anymore
What? How could you say that? Clearly this story was about how Blake and Yang are going to protect each other. Dont be silly.
yan
Well at least kingdom hearts has a main protagonist aka sora who’s likable and isn’t a massive hypocrite unlike ruby.
@Sea Biscuit and?
I hope Salem wins. Hell where do I and everyone else sign to join her?
Team Salem
Best girl Salem will crush them all.
Sign me up, Salem the queen remnant deserves.
I don’t trust rooters teeth.
@@aaronjohnson1286 nobody does, but we can dream
This volume was a mess
Ruby was too arrogant
Jaune Ren and Nora were dumped to the side again
Blake and Yang went behind Ironwood and told Robin a useless character about classified information,
Ironwood was the only good character in this volume
Its funny too.
They tried so hard to make Ironwood a villian,only to fail and make our main protagonist the bad guys.
I don't mind the trope because Invader Zim and Infinity War exsist after all,but still it's just laughable.
This is just like "Timmy and Jimmy:Power Hour 3" we saw back in 2005.
Nora making out with Ren is what distracted him from sensing Tyrian(which he's proven he could do) and is partly responsible for the massacre.. yet of course.. never crosses her mind and the show never makes it a point to punish her or any of team hivemind lol
@@hypeman1825 I didn't know Nora was that bad.
Holy shit.
She could've prevented the deaths of many only to be so focused on some dumbass kiss.
But but but, Robin was like, having good sort of intentions towards the people dont you know?!? Power to the People!!!!! ;)
Qrow was a useless overly edgy dumbass (he used to be my favourite, RIP), Ace Ops were prop characters with no soul, Robyn was an illogical unlikeable idiot, Cinder was still pointless and an obvious Azula rip-off (but with none of the charm, motivations, weight and development), Neo, like, why was she even there, Penny was plain fanservice and all of her previous interesting character traits were erased because cInaMMoNrOll UwU, am I forgetting anyone?
Ironwood in the thumbnail: *”ONLY?!”*
Can’t wait for volume 8 where Sun shows up and makes the show semi-watchable
You mean Volume 9? Lol
No chance Sun will be in V8. He's in Vacuo, on the other side of the world.
until Blake and Yang makes a fool outta him gotta make BB and sun haters happy
That would require the writers to actually, you know, think
loiiy Sailor and then Blake gets mad at him for no reason and runs off
@@Taker369 and slaps him for saying hi
An argument I hear in regards to the Ace Ops vs Rwby and the Qrow, Tyrian and Clover fight is the idea of, "Well if this character did x then we wouldn't get a fight." I'm of the mindset where if you can't get a scene to makes sense or be logically consistent then the scene has no business being made. Biggest examples of this is Marrow can freeze/slow the movements of anyone he's facing and Harriet can quickly cuff everyone or Vine can hold them down (like he did with the grimm). The powers on display are OP and Marrow doesnt have a major drawback from using it, so why isn't that the tactic the ACEs use? Well because the fight would end in a matter of seconds. Understand this, the writers should be able to write logical and consistent characters especially when it comes to a fight, none of the characters here are idiots and the ACEs have been shown to be a team and work well in combat. Ace Ops would win in seconds because that makes the most sense when you have a character that can freeze the enemy in quick succession. The fight only lasted as long because everyone in the room (mostly the ACES) forgot their abilities. If Writers really wanted the fight they should've wrote it to make sense, instead of making everyone an idiot, or better yet dont have the fight at all if it doesnt make sense.
As for the Qrow fight, which personally I like more because the choreography, it looks nice (though some parts are dont make sense) that fight suffers from the same issues as before with the Ace ops everyone is an idiot, except Tyrian (lord almighty he's the smartest one there). Its another example of the this if character didnt do x then there wouldn't be a fight, Robin picking a fight with Clover which leads to Tyrian being freed and crashing the plane. honestly I would've bought the scene a little bit more if it had just been a grimm attacking and crashing the plane. Then we have to go through both Clover and Qrow's choice to continue FIGHTING. both of them should've stopped fighting after the plane crash, again everyone makes he stupid decision except for Tyrian. Then Qrow teaming up with Tyrian. That moment destroyed Qrow's character for me, Vol 5 and 6 he was pretty useless, why would Qrow trust the psycho murderer that has been trying to kill him, his niece, her team, innocent people and works for the big bad that presumably got Summer killed. WHY? I mean to be fair Clover's stupid for telling Qrow he'd only help Robin if he came quietly.
You could've had the scene written where plane crash breaks everyone's aura shield, Qrow and Clover try to help Robin from the wreckage, Tyrian does that sneaky shit and wounds or kills Clover while protecting the two or something. if you want fight then dont make Qrow and Clover stupid and have Qrow team up with the psycho. As a whole these two fights to me feel like the writer wanted to have their cake and eat it too. We want the hero's to fight each other, but we're not going to put in the leg work for it to make sense.
this is a thesis i can get behind
See, this is logic that works and that's the problem with 99% of those fights, that they *logically* don't make sense and break character(s), leaving you going "huh"? Action-wise they work well, otherwise, just no.
If you really think about it. Ruby and co literally made Salem's plan easier.
I could honestly totally see why Blake would want to tell Robyn.
Blake’s seen well-meaning extremists turn bad in the worst ways (Adam), and it would make perfect sense for someone like Blake to not want to see another Adam get created when she has a way to stop it.
Now if *only* there had been more moments drawing comparisons between the two, and Blake wasn’t the character equivalent to soggy cardboard, and Robyn was even a remotely likable character.
One of the weirder things about RWBY is that its like the perfect show for fan fixes . . . like the pieces are almost always there for a better story that the writers just don't tell for one reason or another.
Only!? *Abuses Chair*
@@austin9568AuraMasterDX That poor chair!! It doesn't deserve the abuse! Damnit Robyn stop abusing chairs you.. you.. YOU ABUSER!
@@windghost2 Chair lives matter
@@ghostofcoolidge245 YES THEY DO! #CHAIRLIVESMATTER!
I feel bad for Ironwood. His back must be hurting from carrying this volume.
Also calling it now:
RWBY Volume 8 will have Ruby and Cinder team up to kill Salem.
Omfg that sounds so freakin terrible, but considering what has been happening i'm inclined believe this bs XD
I can imagine them teaming up, Ruby killing Salem...
...and Cinder being absolutely shocked. Like Qrow.
They better not do that, Salem is the 🐐. Cinder needs a dirt nap ASAP
You can't be serious
Cinder's entire mindset is devoted to two things:
1. Maiden powers
2. Killing Ruby
Um...you DO remember that Salem is immortal, right?
Ozma obliterating her just pissed her off, and that was when he was closer to her level of power.
Ruby and Cinder wouldn't be able to do shit.
This is why I subscribed to you Vex you are one of the very few people who sees the flaws that this show has and expand apon them and try to make it better like a true critique should Thank you so much for all your hard work I don't care if the Fandom hates you because you're out here speaking facts RWBY is not a terrible show but it does have flaws and I wish the FNDM would just open their eyes to the truth and stop bashing on people like you just because you say something negative about RWBY is absolutely stupid so Thank you so much Vex continue your hardworking and dedication later man 😉👍
I agree but RWBY is a pretty terrible show.. It wasn’t the best Vol1-3 but if you liked the concept watching the progression could be your thing.
Though sitting through Vol 4-5 is pretty hard to do unless you’re a fan. I’m a fan & I stopped not even mid-volume 5.
Have you ever watched Twiins iink?
She has really good reviews where she not only points out the bad but also tries to find good stuff in every episode.
She explains in detail why certain scenes don't work and suggests alternate scenarios, often using edits or illustrations.
@@mistman_161 only a few videos
Do u exist on yt lmao im i dislike rwby as well but what u just isnt tru i mean like at this comment section but just look up rwby vol 7 reviews alot are negative
@@mistman_161 She's good
Volume 7 made most of the protagonists be hypocrites, in volume 6 they were yelling at Ozpin/Ozma for keeping secrets. And now they're the ones keeping secrets. I wish in volume 8 there's some sort of understanding when Oz comes to meet RWBY and the others. I wish this show lived up to the promises and potential it had, but it still has SOME hope. But, it depends if these shitty writers want to improve on the overall show, or their bank.
You know, I kind of hope after everything that happened one of the protagonists will apologize to Ozpin too. Probably won't happen because RWBY is never wrong though.
K. True, they mainly have no consequences to their actions, even if its stupid. “Robbing a whole airship”, no consequence. “Lying to Ironwood”, no consequence, ended up beating the Ace-ops. On the other hand, every other person gets some sort of consequence to their actions. I hope they change this.
@@jt_mendez Protagonist centered morality at its finest. Not only that but the writers had to make everyone else stupid for the heroes to win (RWBY effortlessly beating the AceOps? Yeah right). When the universe bends to the heroes' will for plot to happen, you know your writing is bad.
Volume 8 looks to be pretty dark
There could still be a complete 180, but the current direction… oof…
I can't really call them Heroes anymore. James is the only Hero here.
James theme in the watts fight is literally called hero
What annoys me is that the show is basically telling us RWBY is right in all this, and being against them means you're the villain.
I'm still fucking annoyed Ruby talked down to Qrow for being sensible about them stealing from a foreign military. Holy shit.
@@Spitfire_94 the joys of protagonist centered morality
@@roguehunterx it feels like a CW show.
Ironwood, the only character with actual common sense in the whole damn series. First time I want the whole main cast to die for their own stupidity and simply being the worst, looking at you Blake.
Ironwood is literally surrounded by idiots.
Even his elite huntsmen squad the Ace Ops are irritatingly stupid!
Ironwood declares Ruby and folks to be criminals that should get subdued and the Ace Ops read this as "Ignore everything else that's going on and only focus on them!"
They know that Salem has infiltrated Haven, so instead of having those in Haven defend the base of operation and Ironwood, they fight with Team RWBY.
And Clover was about to let Tyrian escape to subdue Crow!
At this point I'm just using RWBY as a lesson on what not to do in my own writing.
Likewise. Actually, it's partially because of this show I found out that I wanted to be a writer for a series.
Same.
Watching these RWBY criticism videos have actually taught me more on how not to write even more than some of my creative writing books. The show is deeply flawed, and it was close to being good early on if Miles and Kerry had taken the time to do basic editing.
But now, volume 7 is unsalvageable trash, and I see it getting far worse from here...
Same honestly😂
I'm watching cuz I want to know how long it takes until we reach Kingdom Hearts level convoluted.
RWBY takeaway #1: Thou shalt not write the diner scene.
"The writers decided to retcon the impact of her emotional arc."
Just more evidence my video on Penny is better than what she did in the actual show.
Can you drop a link?
@@zero-budgetfilms1561 Here's part 1 - th-cam.com/video/VvOUgvtXQF0/w-d-xo.html
There is a quote from a cartoon that used to come on when I was a kid that perfectly sums up Team RWBY!
*"I would rather be on a ship with a thousand enemies, than serve one day with a fool!"*
I said it from the beginning! IRONWOOD WAS RIGHT!!
RWBY are just a bunch of short sighted idealistic fools!
If one of the major characters doesn’t die next volume in response to their stupid decision, I will no longer be able take the stakes in this series seriously.
they always try to push the kid's always right and adults always are wrong what ridiculous world they have in Rwby !
You mean you've been able to take them seriously until now? Lol
With the return of Penny, I'm no longer convinced they won't proceed to use the Staff of Creation for resurrection hijinks in the future.
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@@loiiysailor1177 Lol remember the speech in volume 6 Ruby gave to Qrow about how her and the rest of the team manage to take care of themselves without the help of adults?
@@A-Bot779 if that's the message they try to push they really suck at it Ruby ask for her uncle to stay with her but now she saying she dosent needs him,like make up your mind already ! you can't just say kids rules adult drools
If the adult is still with them not mention they have two adults which is inside ocsur body also they stay with adult like Ironwood , they could have easily tell him to F off we don't need you ,
winter who is the older sister of Weiss sitting there in pain awhile Weiss could have eailsy help her , oh that's right F adults let's leave winter in pain because aduts sucks , this is such a fail from RT not mention half them are adults themselves is this means the hate themselves ? is means miles and Kerry have mommy and Daddy issues they just pushing their issues on into this show , they are so many animations just proof what happens if adults are gone it never fricking works out every single time , over and over again their messageing sucks it really really sucks
Jaune was only worth 2 seconds of screen time hahaha
Yeah seriously focus on all the characters already, when did he last get developed I can't remember was it volume 5
@@RodimusMinor1987 They have too many characters to follow, which is partly why their writing can be all over the place when it comes to arcs and development. But come to think of it, what would Jean even do in Atlas? Like, what WOULD be his arc? I think they made the right decision not to focus on him this time around.
I feel kinda bad, because in V4 - V6, he actually had some decent moments and development. I like that he was mad at Qrow in V4, I like how unhinged he became when he saw Cinder (even if the fight scene sucked) and I love how he briefly lost it after learning the truth about Salem. It's completely understandable why he would distrust/hate Ozpin and his inner circle, since they got Pyrrha killed.
Welp, all of that gets thrown away in V7 and he gets reduced to just the comic relief once again. Oh well...
The Virgin Volume 7 VS The Chad Volume 7 Review
More like The Ironwood show.
RWBY is broken part 6 & 7?
@@lukejones7164 Not gonna happen lol
@@thefloofartist1908 Aw man lol. Your videos on RWBY have more quality and effort put into them than the actual show lmao.
@@lukejones7164 Thank you :3
I'm in the midst of writing a personal work and doing classes, will hopefully get around to finalizing said work ASAP.
39:31 Miles, one of the main writers of the show literally just confirmed that *Powerlevels don’t matter/exist in RWBY.*
There is no scaling, they literally decides who wins based on probabilities, depending solely on the pairing and not their actual abilities.
Cool, I can't wait to see Ruby overpower Mercury and Emerald (at the same time) or Cinder getting beaten to death by Maria's walking stick.
I swear man Salem needs to win she needs to steam roll any opposition that gets in her way, that's the only thing aside from Team RWBY admitting they fucked up that will get anyone invested in this show again, Volume 8 is going to make or break this franchise.
023 Studios The only reason we think Salem is strong is because, she hasn’t physically fought Team RWBY yet.
*-Ruby prob..*
All jokes asides, the only reason there’s tension about Salem v Everybody is bc we know Salem can’t be “killed”.
If it weren’t for that mystery all Tension would be eliminated for RWBY, as the show is basically hanging on Salem’s sole thread.
Power levels don't matter
Only the PLOT I want to write!
XD
@@Ramsey276one To be realstic Power Scale does not matter in reality too, so I don't see this as problem
Funny. In trying to debate whether or not Ironwood was trustworthy, team RWBY proved to be the most untrustworthy.
It's ironic and accidental writing at its finest.
The fans be like: bUt rUbY lEaRN hEr MiStAkE
If anything really, Ironwood was the one consistently good character in this Volume. As for everyone else...
RWBY: Team RWBY? More like Team RW and Team BY.
JNR: They have no reason to be there other than the Ren and Nora thing that they were pigeon-holed into.
Winter: She's... there. I... guess.
Penny: She has kinda reason to be there.
Ace-Ops: Atlas Greatest Collection of Individual Disappointments.
7 started strong, but ended on a whimper, which started from that disaster of a fight that is RWBY VS Ace-Ops
Ironwood is the only character I would defend now since this volume showed us how much he had to dealt with. The man sacrificed so much of himself to try and stop a unkillable enemy.
Don't mind me, I'm just here for Robyn saying "OnLy?!"
Done with the whole vid. Man, I love you Vex. Your content is a must-see for any aspiring writer. You excel at pulling back and getting a bird's eye view of the story. You look at all the moving parts and make sure they're in sync as a whole organism. I still love RWBY despite its flaws- it's a dumb show but having less than stellar writing isn't a crime- and might not agree with everything you say, but I always look forward to your content.
You would be great on any writing team for a project.
thank you
How is it a dumb show lmao
The best part is the breakdown of how each event contributed to Ironwood's arc and very little else. This is how a writer should be thinking when they go back to edit a show like this. "What has my writing accomplished?" is the question I don't think the writers of RWBY really understand. Watching the writer's commentaries, what they say is in their heads often doesn't come out in the show; you get the sense that they aren't getting an objective view from an editor who can tell them, "hey, so you wanted to convey X, but instead you conveyed Y". Vexxed would be a great editor!
The best part is the breakdown of how each event contributed to Ironwood's arc and very little else. This is how a writer should be thinking when they go back to edit a show like this. "What has my writing accomplished?" is the question I don't think the writers of RWBY really understand. Watching the writer's commentaries, what they say is in their heads often doesn't come out in the show; you get the sense that they aren't getting an objective view from an editor who can tell them, "hey, so you wanted to convey X, but instead you conveyed Y". Vexxed would be a great editor!
I like how Oscar had to be the bigger person out of team RWBY and JNR and told Ironwood the truth even apologized on their behalf, says a lot about them.
I think one thing that I still laugh about is how stupid it felt to me for them to keep Fria alive. Oh, she's an old woman. It's nice to let her have some peace and die in a peaceful manner. Yeah but... that's time they're wasting when they could ensure Winter gets the powers and already be training for them. If Ironwood is totally fine letting the masses suffer for the big picture, why the hell should he care about the comfort of an old woman in her final days? If he was smart, they would have transferred the power to Winter already.
It also bothers me how long Yang took to rush to Ruby's side after Salem's comment. Summer Rose was her fucking mom too. Yang's a shit character and an even worse sister.
She only cares about Blake and no one else she only cares about Ruby when she feels like it also she hates both of her real mom and her other mom , Yang is terrible and nothing more she all she dose bitch punch things and being a smip for Blake that's her character now
@@loiiysailor1177 As a younger sister myself who is very close with my older, half-sister, I know for a fact that if we were in the same room and I started crying, she would be at my side in an instant and hugging me. Yang should be ashamed as a big sister for that delayed reaction. Tsk tsk
Zephyros Phoenix
Don’t forget how in volume six when they we’re running away from the apathy yang prioritized Blake, the girl she should be mad at over her own sister.
to be honest, Ironwood has always been caring, his decisions were always trying to save as much people as possible, so if he kill someone that is close to him, it would be kind of OOC, specially when the though decisions he made, were at crucial moments, so he would not kill Fria, until it was completely necesary, and he actually was willing by the end. so that part was ok.
@@henrybenitez313 Agreed. RWBY's a weird show like that, Ironwood seems to be pretty consistently written, from when he was introduced and up through this volume, while lore, time passage, other characters, mechanics, and etc are terribly inconsistent. There are some good scenes and character arcs that shine out for a moment, and even these end up forgotten development never used effectively, or retconned, or...Pennied. It's like if they focus on it too much, they ruin it, like Neo or Nora and Ren. I'm not sure what to make of their writing on Ironwood yet, only the next volume will show if they're going to cheapen his arc or continue it in a satisfying way. I hate where they took Qrow's arc, and....well most arcs really. Ugh. I don't know if I like Ironwood because he's actually a good character, or if he just looks good by comparison. That beard tho, +4 charisma by itself right there.
*Stupid for the sake of the Plot* *100*
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Tyrian laughing like a maniac wearing the captain's hat was the peak of this volume you can't convince me otherwise.
The man always makes me laugh whenever he's on screen and is so unapologetically a villain that it makes him one of the only characters I actually like.
It's a shame they never give Yang much to do anymore. For all of V5's flaws at least she was actually active. She's basically just been a side character in Volumes 6 and 7, either fighting her girlfriend's battles for her or otherwise doing nothing.
Yang's basically just fanservice now, and I don't mean that in just the attractiveness way (even if she definitely has lots of that too). She's the most powerful of the MCs, she's always a badass in fights, and she gets shipteasing out the ass with Blake. That's it. She reminds me of post-Kamino Bakugo in a way, except at least Bakugo is implied to matter to the overall story still.
It's just a shame because she could be so interesting if they just put the effort in, but... they don't. And I mean Yang's probably the most popular character in the series and her merch flies off shelves whenever they make something for her so who am I to judge, it's clearly working for them.
Define 'active'?
@@benjaminmcneil574 I believe OP meant that she spoke out when things bothered her, she actually did things outside of Bumblebee (going to meet her mother and getting the relic). Or how she was still mad at Blake in V5. I'm not saying V5 Yang didn't make dumb decisions, but it was clear that she was still a character and not just a part of a ship/token lesbian/token-big-sister-but-only-when-it's-convenient-for-the-plot.
They're going to pull something out of their ass and make Ironwood look bad. I mean, I don't know how they're going to show us convincingly that Team RWBY can actually win against Salem, but I expect Team RWBY to win. I expect the writers to always make them win, even if it doesn't make sense
Tbh I didn’t watch this volume at all. Glad to know I didn’t actually miss anything
I stopped mid volume 5 💀
Damn thats cool but i dont Remember asking
You missed a “your mom” home by Salem to Ruby
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I’ve heard about that. Wasn’t the gist of what Salem said “I killed you’re Mom, lol”? You know, a revelation that some members of the audience saw from as far back as Salem’s reveal in Volume 3?
One thing that really bugs me about volume 7: Ruby's group got taken into custody and thrown in a "Prisoner transport ship" back in episode 1, Qrow and Robin were caught and thrown into a "Prisoner transport ship" in the last episode, so my question is this. Why wasn't tyrian put in a "Prisoner transport ship" when they caught him? If they had been using a "prisoner transport ship" the pilots would've been safe when Tyrian got loose.
Thank you vex you always bring good videos ❤️
Volume 7 was the volume that made me lose interest in RWBY. Just as I thought that we're finally getting somewhat better writing on the show after volume 6, they went two steps back with volume 7, it felt like I was having flashbacks of volume 5. A lot of pointless scenes, v5 had pointless dialogue, v7 had pointless actions.
Imagine thinking volume 6 was good lol
@@sammydray5919 it wasn't that good but I enjoyed it nonetheless
volume 7, however, just made me more frustrated rather than entertained just like in v5
Yeah there were sprinkles of "ok this aight" but much of it pointless or underdeveloped. Then having chapter 12 just nuke any kind of hope of better writing it chapter 11 brought. Like Qrow went from "he's an alright guy" to "ew get this dead bird off my hood". I just can't anymore either, Vex's videos will be the closest i get to watching now
Alright no one will miss you dickhead
Ironwood better get the respect he deserves in vol 8! And please let somebody drop kick Ruby, Yang and Qrow’s hypercritical asses
They soooo gonna mess everything up
loiiy Sailor at least we can look forward to the soundtracks. Because the songs portray more character development, rather than the actual show 😭 smh
@@Alexis-vm8ng the songs tells a better story
loiiy Sailor ugh they really do. They should have Jeff and Casey help write the story and characters then 😂😭
@loafhero Should've been Adam, but here we are.
"I'm sorry."
"I'm so Sorry."
"Hello again!"
Pyrrha? Is that you? You look so much older... male... and with great facial hair...
*ignoring the frantic scribbling of JaunexIronwood capitalizing on this moment of weakness to level the playing field with RubyxOscarXOzpin*
Crackshipping jokes aside, Vol 7 is where the Man Behind the Curtain is being exposed. Even if you believe that Monty wasn't the greatest storyteller ever, at least he knew the premise he was going for and stuck with it. At this point, you can't hide it anymore with Vol 7 and it's been a slow decent into madness since Vol 4.
THERE. IS. NO. CONSISTENCY. IN. RWBY.
It is the greatest weakness and most glaring flaw in this show. Even the most fledgling amateur writers understand consistency. Hell I expect a considerable lack of it from someone who is just starting out or someone writing something humorous that doesn't take itself seriously. That's something you'd expect in Red vs Blue, the concept that started this whole Company. Have a serious moment, then suddenly something wild and off the wall happens with no relation to the moment of drama AND IT'S CONSIDERED NORMAL.
This is supposed to be a team of professionals who do this for a living, yet they can't seem to figure out when you're writing something other then comedy, you need to have a layer of consistency to help the audience suspend their disbelief that these things can actually happen. They are WORSE then beginners who have just sat down to pen their first words.
That is the very definition of 'Retarded'.
They tried to turn a cute slice of life with elements of adventure and intrigue into a full blown action adventure story. And it's not working. Hell the original premise was barely being held together by Monty whom Shane tells us had to regularly fight Miles and Kerry to preserve the concept he wanted. Cute girls with outrageous weapons go to High School to learn how to fight Evil Monsters with Outrageous Fighting styles and occasionally get involved in Heroic Law Enforcement work.
What they're trying to get us to now accept is: Rogue Loose Cannons who don't play by the rules go on a epic journey to save the world from an ancient evil... while ostracizing official support because they're bad girls who don't play by the rules and everything is solved by the power of Friendship. Also look how virtuous, progressive, and socially aware our company is!
Even as a 20+ year writer, I'd struggle to get that latter concept to work properly while still being 'Politically Correct' and supportive of 'current age social struggles'. Kind of hard to write a story about Law Enforcement Trainees who bend and break the rules while supporting the whole 'FUK DA POLEESE' who are raging about actual Law Enforcement bending and breaking the rules of 'polite society'.
At which point I'd rather go ahead and just start making the main cast unaware terrorists who believe they're doing good-waaaaaait a minute....
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The bit about Ruby's "headspace" just before the Ace Ops fight was gold. Great content as always.
Also, Tyrian is always going to be my favorite.
Ruby deserved that reality check from Salem, she was too arrogant so Salem put her in her place
Zwei is the best written character at this point
Ah, so you’ve seen the light...!
Ironwood is like Erwin from Attack on Titan. They're willing to sacrifice everything for the greater good and have the mental strength to bear with they're decisons while being resented by every1. They even have badass names
The only issue is, Erwin actually made questionable decisions and was not necessarily an entirely good person. You could debate on whether or not he was right. The framing was also on point, because it was also gray, AoT wasn't trying to shove down your throat that he was evil/good. Ironwood in RWBY is just correct, his decision is the only appropriate one in that situation. Yet, they still frame him as a villain of sorts, with no reasoning behind it, other than "He is not as naive as the protags.".
@@historynerd205 Very true.
Erwin's motivation was particularly not as pure as Ironwood's. He just wanted to know if humans were outside the walls, to determine if his father's theory was true. And the ghosts he saw before he died in the final charge...Erwin felt the weight and guilt of all the lives he sacrificed. He did obviously take the sacrifices of his soldiers seriously, to the point of sacrificing himself completely as well, and to him the results his actions produced were what made the lives that were lost count. AoT's framing is, "you are backed into such a corner of a situation that none of your decisions will be 'good', you just have to make the best decision possible, which by everyone else's standards is a 'bad' decision because of how many people die from it." The idea is that the ideal is never possible.
To be sure though, I'd like to see who of the two would win Best Eyebrows.
@@oddbizarious224 Honestly, in terms of eyebrow game, probably Erwin. I mean, have you seen those things, they're majestic 💯
@@historynerd205 I feel like there's gotta be a meme somewhere out there with the comparison. If not, there should be.
Honestly now that I'm looking at RWBY more critically I think a ton of the stupid stuff in this show can be attributed to CRWBY having extremely crippling tunnel vision.
They didnt care about how Adam went out, they just wanted Blake and Yang to have a triumphant moment
They didnt care about developing the AceOps because they just wanted to introduce a rival team subplot
I could go on but I think everyone can fill in the blanks.
My personal issue with the whole thing is that instead of blabbering about trusting or not trusting Ironwood, they could have straight up focused on bring afraid of the news causing him to have a breakdown!
My biggest concern was not Ironwood betraying anyone, but that the information will make him lose his head and do something stupid! For the message about "trust" this volume wanted to deliver on, the trust issues between Ironwood and any other official would have been more than enough.
In all honesty, if they wanted to have the team be unsure about telling him, there should have been debate and fight between them about telling Ironwood instead of everyone being on the same page at all times.
The Crow v Clover fight made no sense from any perspective!
Why was Clover prioritizing Crow's arrest over the serial killer who works with Salem?
Take down Tyrian and when you are unable to also arrest Crow, well then you have done what you could!
If he had won the fight and told Ironwood that he let Tyrian escape to capture Crow then Ironwood would have probably threw them into a cell together because he could not trust someone as incompetent as Clover!
I really did like Ren's breakdown though.
It was never really explained, but it just seemed to make sense to me for some reason.
Ironwood tired his best, worked with everyone, sacrificed for the greater good.
And what did it get him? Being labeled a villain.
He tried so hard, gave up everything.
But in the end, it didn't even matter
There's another inconsistency.
Maidens can only be females.
Yet, Penny became a Maiden, but her soul comes from a man, therefore it's contradictive to have her become a Maiden, as she is merely a shell with a personality (aren't we all?).
So true
Maiden.EXE is updating...
Maiden.EXE stopped working.
Please replace current body since it creates paradox loop.
Well, apparently gender is a social construct and sex isn't real anymore.
@@internetaltar you are contraticting yourself
If I had no choice but to let team RWBY save the day, I'd join Salem in an instant.
One great lie to ruin the whole season lol. Besides the Volume 7 is a huge nothingburger to me. If Volume 8 is any better I'll just pretend that 85% of Volume 7 never existed
Honestly man after seeing the teasers it ain't looking so good, at least to me it's not.
@@windghost2 Well I did say if
@@waterdog737 True. My bad.
I’ve been pretending since season 4........ All of the build up from the first three seasons were wasted on half ass writing and janky fighting animation. I know the show didn’t start up “perfect” but at least it was entertaining and the choreography wasnt so jarring. Im still checking up on the show but man am I getting more and more detached from the entire show.
@@lillola9307 Don't watch V7 then if you're interested in it. It'll make you angry man.
The funniest thing about main characters' "we must save everyone" bs at the end of Vol.7 is how "consistent" it is: from what we've been shown in Vol.8 teaser trailer, they decide to leave the kingdom and "alert everyone", because it's either Atlas falls or all kingdoms fall. I don't think I should even explain what's the problem with that. Thinking of it now, I believe the apathy episode actually showed RWBY's real thoughts: the team is all for saving and protecting, doing heroic stuff, etc., but only as long as they don't risk anything and things don't get too hard. I mean, let's look at the Vol.7 finale - say, Ironwood went with their idea and tried to save Mantle and beat Salem. Considering RWBY and co's position, there would probably be hundreds, if not thousands of soldiers and drones between them and the big bad. And those soldiers would be the ones paying the bloody price.
Showing such a flaw in the MCs would be great deconstruction... Too bad the writers aren't smart enough to do that.
Vexed Viewer: Dismisses Jaune's arc
Jaune: *Run and Live*
To be fair, Jaune was kinda just there, this volume. He wasn’t annoying nor was he impactful.
Jaune next volume, looking at Atlas: Man, we gotta get over there!
They wanted to make a villain, but created a Hero instead.
Ironwood was right. It was either save as many people as you can or die trying to hopelessly save everything. Sometimes you have to sacrifice one thing in order to save another.
I hated two things more than anything this volume. First, Ironwood is portrayed like a villain, when in reality he's one of the only people making sense. Second, and more egregiously, Qrow.
Obviously, they replaced Vic which is sad enough as it is, but then they go and destroy the character too. First, they seem to immediately start him on a relationship with another guy, which I'm still not sure about. I don't give a shit if a character is gay or not, but if it blatantly contradicts the established character, then there's a problem. He's been shown thus far to be a pure and simple ladies man and a frequent drinker, albeit usually not to any extent that would harm him. Now he's something else entirely. Secondly, and this absolutely shocked me when I watched it, HE SIDES WITH TYRIAN!! Dude has been hunting down your niece AND nearly killed you with poison, but now you're going to team up with him to fight your fucking ALLY?!?!?! Sure, Clover wasn't his ally at the moment, but what the fuck kind of horrible monster do you have to be to take the side of your mutual enemy to the point of killing someone you care about?! As you said, Qrow killed Clover, there's no two ways about it.
Fuck this show, I can't keep track of all the characters they've fucked up. At least Pyrrha died before they could ruin her.
IW is only a villain cause he's againt team rwby
The only thing i disagree with is about the fight. People dont know how to analyze fights (cough cough) still fresh in my mind since i had to somewhat defend it a lot. Qrow did not team up entirely against clover just forced into a worse case scenario where CLOVER keeps attacking qrow even when qrows going for scorpio. Entirely on Clover, which messes up his character and not qrows.
You do realise they replaced Vic because he was being handsy with underaged fans at cons and shit right?
Edited to fix a typo
@@discorddrowned6970 You mean they completely threw him under the bus and cut all ties with him when there was absolutely no proof whatsoever of any wrongdoing, just baseless accusations that he was horrified by. I'm still stunned that anyone at Rooster Teeth could do that to him after years of calling him a coworker and friend.
To my knowledge, no actual proof of wrongdoing was EVER brought up, and he basically got shunned from his employers anyway.
@@ishmel11 The point is, there should be no scenario where Qrow attacks Clover in the story that we were presented with. Even worse, he attacks Clover while directly aiding an enemy who has already tried to kill him AND his niece. Tyrian even kills Clover with Qrow's weapon! There's no reason why that fight should have gone that way. Even if Qrow and Clover weren't being established as friends (or more) there is absolutely no reason why Qrow would ever do anything that would be even close to helping Tyrian.
The only way this show ends is when Warner Media kills Rooster Teeth for good, i have no sympathy for any of the people working on this show with the way they have treated the fans and have gone about doing absolutely nothing to fix this show from the start as well as giving people lip service, empty promises, and a bucket load of excuses. I'm shocked how these guys can look themselves in the mirror and actually be proud with what they produce and then praise it like its the next best thing.
And they completely disrespected Monty's legacy.
@023 Studios writers???? You know they consider you *insert buzzword* just for watching this video right?
@@bencegergohocz5988 I think you misread their comment. They said that they have some sympathy for the animators, but they have no sympathy for the directors, producers, writers, VAs, etc.
This is gonna be good
being dead is quite the blessing in hindsight of this show haha
@@blitzy1993 So it would seem because I don't want them to ruin me any further
@@adamtaurusragnathebloodedg8407 cinder at this point would love to have you guys as company and i'm afraid that ironwood might be on his way as well
@@blitzy1993 well ONLY! time will tell when volume 8 comes
@@adamtaurusragnathebloodedg8407 52 Days
Ironwood is the only reason I'm watching RWBY anymore tbh
watch how they kill him off because
Girls with Vs between their legs is so much better last time I check Rwby is not a girl's show
For me it’s Ironwood and Neo, though both will probably die in vol 8.
Justice For Irondaddy.
I had no idea there was a discussion about Ironwood not being the only one decent thing of the volume. Live and learn I guess.
I've seen people hate Ironwood.
And I'm like, "The dude who trusted our heroes, gave them upgrades, Huntsmen licenses, is working on plans to fight back against Salem?"
@Zoomer Waffen wait........ Kali isn't from Atlas.
🤣
@Zoomer Waffen can't argue with that. Now if O N L Y Yang was from atlas, then all my favorite characters would be atlesian
@Zoomer Waffen why though?
@The Doge-Emperor of Dogekind I'm aware, but she's my favorite character ironically, and I love her.
I hope ironwood's back is ok
AFTER HE CARRIED THIS VOLUME
There's 1 thing to this that I frankly do not get. When Watts arrives at the communication tower, he realizes that it "Wasn't finished, it was bait" but earlier in the volume when Ironwood was on the TV with Robyn Hill, he says "The tower is completed" and her semblance confirms this to be true.
Am I missing something here? Or is this a plot hole?
Robyn showed to everyone that he was telling the truth about the communications tower but after that they showed only Ironwood's face to hide the face that he was lying about it being finished.
@@DCSaunders This sentence makes no sense. Either the tower wasn't finished and he was lying, or Robyn's semblance doesn't work correctñy.
@@garyconstanza3120 At first they were telling the truth, but they hid the fact that he started lying by giving Ironwood a close-up when he said it was finished. Everyone assumed he was still telling the truth given how everyone knew how Robyn's Semblance worked. It was all an elaborate ploy to lure the villains into a trap.
@@DCSaunders Then Robyn's semblance is a crapshoot if Ironwood could so easily trick her.
@@garyconstanza3120 What does that have to do with anything?
Robyn probably saw her Semblance reacting to the Lie, but nobody else did.
Qrow's voice acting at 20:15 though LOL
That was so badly acted and delivered lmao. Vic would have done much better.
Lel
@@ms.conehead5228 "ThAt'S hOw iT aLwAyS GoEs"
@@lukejones7164 it sounded like he was running out of breath/or going through puberty again
I love Jason Liebrecht in...practically everything else; he would do much better here if he tried to make it his own and not emulate some lowlife with a bootleg Funko 🤣
RWBY starts to make sense if you imagine it's a "Twitch Plays".
Honestly sick of team Rwby and the holier than tho attitude , ( at least in my opinion) their hypocrisy of telling off Ozpin for keeping things from them then just forcing him to have to witness his past (which was messed up in itself cause they basically made him watch his loved one turn into what she is now , and watched the deaths of his daughters again which probably messed him up mentally the first time ) then all of a sudden when THEY keep information which was vital to the operation a secret and lied to ironwood’s face on multiple occasions , along with going behind his back and telling someone who they barely knew about an operation that was meant to be a secret . Also just all of a sudden not trusting someone who:
-was also in Ozpin’s inner circle with Qrow
-Gave them their license
-Welcomed them with open arms giving them a place to stay and eat
-updates their outfits (along with the one weapon upgrade for Jaune)
And was genuinely on their side not keeping anything from them. Apparently when it’s them its ok I guess???
Honestly I’m just sick or team Rwby’s we’re always in the right attitude and I’m just mad on how team Rwby and ect treated Ironwood.
If nothing else, I really hope Ruby gets her old voice back, it’s becoming a nuisance to my ears and she’s the _main character_ (albeit barely). It seems like the only thing the CRWBY would actually care to fix in the show.
It's crazy how shrill her voice has become over the years, it was so much better in the earlier volumes
Her voice was always ear grating. Since the yellow trailer even.
I’m not joking, I actually forgot Maria Calavera existed until I watched this video and it reminded me lmao
Maria who?
I would of liked it better if Oscar functioned as a support for Ironwood during the season. It’s clear that his only purpose in team RWBY is going to be the stress bag whenever someone gets mad at Ospin. He’ll only be Ospin’s next incarnation and not his own being. Him developing into something more is likely slim with how the authors are taking it.
I don't like season 7 because they were trying to make ironwood as bad as Salem but it was a morally grey situation, and everyone just follows what ruby does and no one at least tries to challenge her ideas. None of the main cast even tried to offer any solutions to iron wood. What makes robin hill more trust worthy than the man that you saw defend your asses at the fall of beacon? Winter was robbed of the winter maiden and was turned into a loser like qrow.
I expected Jacques Schnee to be some cross between Mr burns and Ed Wuncler, a cunning business man that will do whatever it takes to get what he wants, but he is literally a joke. Why does the richest man in the world need watts help to cheat in an election? He can literally pay people to do that on his own.
I wish we actually got to explore atlas,not mantle. I don't mind penny coming back, but she should've been a different penny one with little to no emotions but serve the military.
I know we're past the faunas discrimination arc but I find it odd that Adam is the only faunas we see with a SDC brand on himself, Blake should've been looking around for more enslaved faunas in season 7. In a place like atlas there definitely should be more enslaved faunas lying around.
I don't blame the main characters for not feeling excited for getting their licenses, all the handful of hunters we've seen thus so far suck and died and our main characters have accomplished more than those hunters. Three years at beacon to be a crossing guard?
There was an RTX long ago explaining Jame’s semblance. It’s to help him make hard decisions. That’s literally it.
HIS BASIC FUCKING SEMBLANCE FUCKING MAKES THE MOST LOGICAL DECISION AND RWBY STILL SAID “NO❤️”
You know,the way RWBY made Ironwood a villain for no good reason was almost the equivalent of what happened in "Timmy and Jimmy: Power Hour 3" where they basically made someone a bad guy for no good reason except to create a plot.
Can Rooster Teeth sell this IP already?
Tyrian and Ironwood were the only good things from this volume honestly. Sure Tyrian is still just insane, but thats what makes him so entertaining.
When the serial killer is "best boi" you know you've hit rock bottom.
And his amazing voice actor too
Editing is top notch as always. Another great video!
Thanks!
The problem with all of these "hard decisions" is that they're not hard at all because if the girls really wanted to the Captain America shtick all they would have to do is stay behind up to the last until they died trying to get people out. That's what would truly happen and has happened multiple times in history. Those that are doing the saving give of themselves until they die getting people out. However, that would be too high stakes for this show because for some reason this huge group must survive every encounter even though crap is supposed to be hitting the fan.
yeah in the clip shown cap basically says blow it up if you want but I;m not leaving he's very matter of fact about it and this forces them to try to save everyone it''s kinda dumb but he would have let them blow it up with him on it
It honestly baffles me that people think this volume was good 🙄🙄🙄
*this series
@@CNWhatImSaiyan True
Ironwood was good
Because the rwby fandom holds the title of "dumbest fanbase". There's a guy in here who told me Ironwood's decisions are only to make him comfortable.. I couldn't believe my eyes... literally every decision he makes has more and more people hate him because it inconveniences their lives. I'm convinced that if Mantle existed in our world... that they would have been those dumb people who protested 'No Masks' earlier this year.
Because it was good lmao fuck of hater
cinder in vol 1: hahaha i'm evil and i want power!
cinder in vol 2: hahaha i'm evil and i want power!
cinder in vol 3: hahaha i'm evil and i want power!
cinder in vol 4: ...
cinder in vol 5: hahaha i'm back! i'm still evil! i still want power!
cinder in vol 6: hahaha I'm evil and I want power
cinder in vol 7: hahaha I'm evil and I want power
ciner I'm vol 8: hahaha I'm evil and I power oh and I also have a backstory
Ironwood: “I don’t want to abandon Mantle, but we have to save as many people as possible.”
Team RWBY: “But that’s…BAD!”
I liked Ironwood before this volume. He was the only member of the inner circle that had doubts about Ozpin's plans and wasn't just always blindly following him, which is probably the source of the conflict between him and Qrow back then. Qrow has little respect it seems for Atlas or its military, but Ironwood not being a good little soldier and only doing as he's told is what actually rubs Qrow the wrong way.
This volume only made me like Ironwood more and feel that RWBY honestly has no clue what they're doing. Ironwood is what makes this volume memorable or even work. His character arc is great and it's sad that I feel they are trying to set him up as a villain than a someone with the weight of the world on his shoulders and trying to do the best he can as even his allies work against him to some degree.
I think a big problem with RWBY asa group is that they haven't faces consequences for their actions. They get by on dumb luck or because someone protects them somehow. An unauthorized mission in Vale that causes civilian casualties as a war machine rampages through the city? Nothing happens and Ozpin may have even used his influence to get the matter dropped. The Breach is only stopped from being a total disaster by the intervention of JNPR and Atlas and team RWBY treats it as a solid win that doesn't require them to step up their game even though none of them won their fights. They walk into a trap at Haven and only survive and get the relic because of Raven's actions and that Adam antagonized the people of Menagerie with the attack on the Belladonnas. Yang might've talked Raven into handing the relic over, but even that was only because Raven beat Cinder and Adam wasn't able to blow up Haven.
They haven't really had a major loss or setback since volume 3. They don't seem to regard Salem as the threat they should, especially once the White Fang is out of the picture. Even when Ruby talks to Salem, it's basically acting like if she is heroic sounding enough, Salem will give up or be swayed by her words. Because it's not like anyone ever tried to stand up to the immortal witch that could probably single handedly wipe out Atlas before.
Even if Ironwood's plan to raise Atlas is a temporary measure at best, it still will save many lives and keep a relic out of Salem's reach. It just doesn't change anything for the rest of Remnant. Mantle is most likely doomed, but is only useful to Salem in drawing away Atlas troops or as a bargaining chip. Vacuo will still be attacked no matter what. Mistral has nothing of interest for Salem outside of petty revenge on Raven. Beacon is still under her control most likely. Atlas wasn't exporting Dust or other goods, so it's not like the other kingdoms weren't already dealing with that. Ironwood's plan saves some lives and buys some time to try and maybe figure something else out.
His plan for Amity and revealing Salem's existence is at least a plan no matter the questions of its feasibility in aiding the other kingdoms. It removes Salem's anonymity and provides a common enemy for everyone to work against.
Sorry for the rambling, but Ironwood is one of the best characters and one who is actually facing that hard decisions must be made. But, we're supposed to root for RWBY whose plan is a death match against an immortal witch that is more powerful than their whole group combined. The wonders of protagonist based morality.
A quote I always liked from Dr Who was "If you can't save everyone, then at least save someone". RWBY would rather save nobody if everybody can't be saved. I can only hope Atlas falls and they have to deal with the fallout and wonder if they actually did the right thing.
Also waiting for Robyn to betray them because of Salem promising to spare Mantle if she helps get the relic for her.
V7 is just V5, remastered and with a budget. On the writing part though, it's on par with V5. It doesn't help that adding two writers did not help deal with the mood swings, make storylines more substantial, and CRWBY took this long to even consider it. Had it not been for the last shot of Ironwood losing it, I might not even consider V8 because I want to see where he can go from there.
Bad Things.
1: Team rwby you're defeating a team of professional Hunters with barely any training.. some may argue that Team Ruby are familiar with their fighting styles but that should also be vice versa considering the professional team Should Also Know How Team Rwby Fights.😂😂
2: Ren x Nora.. Why? What's already been established that they were Couple in Volume.. It would have been better if the relationship was Subtle. Lol.. how did Neo know To Transform Into Nora? Why Did Ren hesitate despite knowing that it was Neo?.. Why Would Neo resort to using that trick if she was easily capable of taking him down.
3: Oscar Punching Neo and Her not Reacting To It.
4: Qrow Siding With Tyrian. I'm sorry but I should not have to explain myself a why I put this down.
5: Ironwood Shooting Oscar.. Oscar was only one that was honest with him and he knew it..😂😂 it's just that the cheap way of trying to villainize Ironwood. Realistically it would been better if I would simply knocked him out knowing that Oscar Is Low On Aura and Captures Him To Keep A Close eye On Him.. besides killing him what only make the situation worse for him and after hearing Oscar's concerns about his Personalty being absorbed.. Ironwood Wonder if it is possible collective Souls into Robots which would result Oscar Soul and Personality being his Own.
6: the writing in general in the handling all the characters is complete crap.
I got more things to say but exhausting to think about Rwby's terrible writing
Matt Pac ‘team RWBY you’re feeding’. I think you meant ‘defeating’.
@@jaxusr235 thanks. Will edit
@023 Studios Thank You.
Any good things?
@@youwayo Good Things? Potential... but now it's just wasted potential. Are you aware That Monty Oum's Wife implied that Cinder fall was supposed to be more of a revolutionist/ Anti Villian. Not a one-dimensional villain that sociopathic and power-hungry... if that is the case and that would mean that it is possible that Cinder wants to free the world from Salem and Opzin Constant Influence... basically if you play Fire emblem houses she would be somewhat similar to Edelgard( but it depends know what route you play)
Vexed: what about Jaune?
Everyone: what ABOUT Jaune?
Nuff said.
It's absurd how well written and consistent Ironwood is as a character when he's litterally in RWBY.