They’re all stupid, made even worse when you factor in Jaune, the guy the show claims is the “strategist” but he does nothing aside from the bare minimum.
Team RWBY fucked over Remnant hard and there is no coming back from it. Heck, Salem didn't even have to try. The 'heroes' caused more damage than she could (and it is funny how the 'heroes' ended up destroying 2 Kingdoms. The fall of Beacon looks tamed compared to this).
What pisses me off the most is RWBY had no good reason to lie to James in Vol. 7 and NEVER attempted a compromise when he did find out about their betrayal. All the while immediately trusting a thief they don't know anything about, and Emerald, who was partially responsible for two of their friends' deaths and Yang's dismemberment AND their school being destroyed.
I agree. RWBY should have been honest with Ironwood after all that he did for Yang and Weiss. Giving Yang a fair punishment after attack Mercury unprovoked during the tournament by disqualifying her. Giving Yang a new arm after her bravery during the Fall of Beacon. Defending Weiss after she lost control of her powers and tried to attack that snobby rich woman. And how to they repay him? By lying to his face and leak information to a known criminal behind his back.
I still find Ren's "I can see emotions" power to be so stupid. His power was always that he could hide people from grimm by basically supressing the emotions so they can't be detected. To me, an extension on that power would have been the ability to redirect the source of those emotions. Such as him using his power to hide someone who is fearful and then redirecting that fear to a grimm, that way other grimm see it as the source and attack it thinking it is their target, as long as it is one of the less sentient grimm. But no, gotta give their exposition mouthpiece the ability to just state how other characters are feeling because the writers can't do that any other way.
That's exactly what I've been saying. These Relics are more of a problem than Salem. But on the other hand, they won't be able to summon the Brothers, and humanity will lose its second chance forever.
I guess this show hates military guys like Ironwood, bad ass guys who were former slaves like Adam or any form of a healthy and functioning relationship between two people. And some people say that Kaneki x Touka from Tokyo Ghoul, Denji x Reze from Chainsaw Man and Kousei X Kaori from Your Lie in April are toxic relationships.
@@samflood5631 Military guys = bad guys according to the writers. Except Ironwood isn't militaristic?? Y'all are hunted down by monsters, weapons & soldiers are what you need. Nobody's raising an army to invade their neighbour, sit down RWBY writers...
Everyone: (We like James Ironwood.) Rooster Teeth: I took that personally (Proceeds to assassinate James' character and make Team RWBY make stupid decisions) Everyone: (We hate Team RWBY now.) Also Rooster Teeth: What are we doing wrong?! 🙄🙄🙄🙄
@@thomasraines1396 I see. Could you give a f**k about the whole scene between Ruby and Yang sobbing over their dead mom? Nora calling Ren out on his angsty bad boyfriend attitude? Blake and Yang's fart of a relationship? All of the badly written death scenes and shock value in this volume 8?
@@samflood5631 no I really couldn’t it’s all trite melodrama. Summer isn’t a character, she’s a plot device, rarely ever brought up or talked about by Ruby or Yang who was added by Monty on a whim. I don’t care about Nora or Ren as characters. Yang and Blake are utterly superfluous and unnecessary as characters (Volume 9 really shows this).
I can’t help but be upset with how Ironwood and Penny were treated in Volume 8, both were pretty much my favorite characters in the whole show and it’s just fucking depressing to see how one of them becomes a psychotic murder man and the other finally becomes a real girl only to die almost immediately afterwards, this is fucking atrocious.
It amazes me that the white knights are still defending this hot garbage show. That they would justify the writer's terrible choices and bad writing over anything they do. They can make Team RWBY start killing innocent people and the fandom would cheer for them, the writers lame excuse" they didn't had a choice." It's mind blowing how badly the heroes are written and the fans don't mind, they eat it up like there was nothing wrong with the show.
Would you consider me a white knight? Your opinion on the show is subjective and not objective fact. Also your point about the "white knights" defending every action of team rwby even when they kill innocents is fundamentally against their character. The only way I see them possibly doing that is if they were given literally no choice or some ultimatum
@@grantlangkamp1909 The "white knight" term in this context is talking about those who, regardless of references provided, will always defend the terrible writing choices and inconsistent morality of the main protagonists along with the obvious contradictions in lore. It would take them slaughtering innocent people for no reason and the failure for any consequences for the "white knights" to actually take a step back and look at things. Because most of them have little standards for writing or obvious blind spots for this show.
Question, why couldn’t team RWBY take the mantle and atlas refuges somewhere safe like Vale, Minstrel or Menagerie? And don’t give me the excuse that Minstrel doesn’t have any Hunters or Vale is still polluted with Grimm or that Menagerie is overpopulated with Faunus. The other three nations have safer environments and better resources to provide for the surviving refugees of both Mantle and Atlas.
Menagerie IS overpopulated, so all you would be doing is making life 100% more hard for the people who live there. Menagerie is also waaaay smaller than all the other countries, and Atlas is full of racists
@@juicebox7372 So it's best to leave them in a desert wasteland with little resources, harsh conditions, dangerous number of Grimm and an entire kingdom who has a grudge against them?
Alright this is going to be pretty so long I apologize in advance. 1. When it comes to Ironwood I don’t necessarily have a problem with him spiraling into complete insanity after everything that happened: everyone crapping on him in volume 7, the fact they comment on the fact he looks tired along with his beard shows he’s most likely hasn’t gotten much sleep (and even if he did it most likely wasn’t good), having to deal with Robyn and her cronies, learning about Robyn knowing about Amity during a high stress situation, learning that Salem can’t be killed during the Grimm invasion, sleeving his arm to stop Watts, the chess piece in his office, Salem appearing and basically saying “I’m on my way”, Yang defending her and the cat’s stupid decision of telling Robyn about the Amity Project, Yang complaining about his plan which he used to lure out Watts (which worked). So yeah after all of that it’s not a surprise he went crazy, my problem is that none of the characters react or care that he does, Qrow spends all of volume 8 being angsty about a guy he knew for (at the very most) a few weeks and wanting to gut James like a fish, only to be talked out of if by Robyn of all people. Ruby and the help flounder around trying to save everyone. But even after all that they still could’ve salvaged his character if they had him go out like any of Noble Squad from Halo Reach, Grifter from Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox or even just have Qrow go through with his plan of killing but have it legitimately be seen as a sad moment/and or mercy killing. Have Qrow’s killing of Ironwood be like Optimus Prime from “Transformers” after Megatron dies: “You left me no choice Brother” or Daryl from “The Walking Dead” as he mercy kills Dale while claiming “Sorry Brother.” But he doesn’t even get that, right up until he dies he’s still being shat on. Hell the only one who seems remorseful and sad at how things went down is James (his crying before he fights Winter) 2. Emerald very easily could be a plant (just like Robyn could’ve been). 3. Qrow not only starts the fight on the ground, he also has enough time to switch his weapon to its sword form and then stop look at Tyrian, he has enough time to stop and look at his weapon it gets knocked out of his hands and finally he attacks Clover when Tyrian is tied up on the ground when he isn’t a threat to anybody. 4. Ruby and her gaggle of morons should have a “Spec Ops: The Line” type of realization. 5. Marrow is honestly one of the biggest tools in the entire series. 6. The entire end of Volume 8 gave Cinder the same amount of plot armor as a character named Prometheus from a comic called “Cry for Justice” from DC. 7. Watts’s rant while undeniably amazing and filled to the brim with over the top scenery chewing was all in vain all in the name of making Cinder look cool. 8. The whole “Military bad” and Marrow’s asinine “THEY’RE JUST KIDS!” line are insanely stupid, a fully functioning military would be welcome in such a world and any notions of “kids” being kept out of the conflict would be tossed aside out of basic necessity for survival (sort of like the Walking Dead) instead of most of the kingdoms relying on what are essentially wandering mercenaries. 9. The people of Atlas and Mantle also come form a frozen tundra and Vacuo is a desert, these people consist of improvised, malnourished poor people or aristocratic assholes who more then likely have never had to live off the land, not only that but the people of Vacuo have chips on their shoulders for people from Atlas as Atlas screwed them over during the Great War and finally Vacuo has its own set of Grimm (with what are basically the sand worms from Dune of Beetlejuice). The plan to move all these morons to Vacuo is a logistical and strategic nightmare and would realistically end with them all dying in various ways (lack of resources, shift in climate, Grimm, their fellow man).
To add on what you said in regards to the evacuation of Mantle and Atlas, iirc they had an hour to evacuate everyone out of both areas. You expect me to believe an hour was long enough to evacuate thousands/millions of people in the portals? I find that highly unlikely.
yea, we're going to be _told_ via character dialogue that Ruby's plan saved more lives. Just like we're _told_ Robyn's the hero of Mantle residents despite never being seen fighting Grimm in Mantle. And we were _told_ Menagerie isn't an awesome paradise that the Faunus would thrive in.
Couldn’t team RWBY just send the refugees to a more secure area with all of the protection and resources they need to survive? Like Vale, Argus, Haven or maybe Mengerie? Sure there will be racial tension between the humans and Faunus on the Isle, but Mengerie has the resources that these refugees need to survive. Better than sticking them in a desert kingdom that has a grudge against them. Face it, the Vacou Plan was doomed from the start. Who cares if Shade Academy has the best Hunters ever. What these refugees need is food, shelter and a perfect environment to survive. I mean, everyone from Atlas and Mantle would suffer from Overheating and Dehydration because they spent their entire lives in a cold environment that snows 24/7. It’s like throwing a Polar Bear into a desert to see if it will survive on its own.
Team rwby are not heroes ironwood had only one way to beat Salem take atlas high in the sky to make sure the relic doesn't get stolen sure the people that don't live in atals would have probably die but the rest of the world would have been saved because Salem plans to summon the gods would failed forcing Salem to go back to the drawing board for maybe a year or more years until she can find a way up to atlas giving everyone more time to deal with Salem but no team rwby doesn't want that sure letting people die sucks but that's war sometimes in war you have to make a choice to save a few people or a bigger group of people that's the sad true but it has to be done team rwby doom the world
While Ironwood takes Atlas into the sky, Weiss and Penny and RBY coordinate to evacuate Mantle to Argos. And Winter works up in Atlas to send spare troops to make sure everyone is protected in both cities. Bam. Compromise.
To me, the most insulting part of the second half of v8 is what they did with Jacques. After spending most of the volume occasionally using him to make a few cheap jokes where he acts OOC, Winter tells him that he’s going to be rescued from the destruction of Atlas, but then decides to insult him by telling him that it was Weiss’s decision, implying that Winter hates him enough to wish he was dead. We’ve never been given any reason as to why Winter hates her own father this much, much more than Weiss, but it’s expected of RWBY to give us the bare minimum of backstory. Then after dangling a carrot in front of his face after he found out that he’s going to lose his home, his fortune and his company, facing guaranteed poverty on top of being led by a band of vengeful communist terrorists, they make Ironwood shoot him with one blast so that there’s nothing left where he was. Now some may argue that he had it coming by being a dick to James right before, but think about it, he had no way of knowing that it was team RWBY, Oscar and Emerald that were actually responsible for Atlas’s impending collapse, which both his daughters were complicit in, he probably has no idea about Salem. Of course he’s going to blame James for this, since as far as he’s concerned, he was in charge of Atlas until team RWBYs coup. Rooster teeth seems to genuinely hate him and ever since ‘as above, so below’ has taken every opportunity to humiliate him and beat him when he’s down. All while rewarding terrorists like Robyn and Emerald who are far worse people, with forgiveness and being there ones who lead the former residents of Atlas, and acting sympathetic to genocidal narcissistic maniacs like Cinder. At least Arthur Watts got to exert his Chad energy against Cinder, Jacques got nothing.
Ah but you must remember, women can do anything in RWBY and be praised. All men are inherently evil from birth in their eye (Remnant is basically a matriarchal hellhole for guys.)
Ironwood finally stand aganist salem giving his all to the very end. Would have been cool especially compared to salem he is a protagonist. Losing to an immortal magical god witch but giving it all he got. Even see Salem fight differently like grim stuff, magic usage like you tried so I'll actually give you a fight
They went to Chad genie guy and risk the hell out of gambling Penny's soul. He could have easily made a vessel like container to hold her soul not a body. We know that tech exists because of the maiden transfer machine Oz had
@@silvertongue.242_99 she wouldn’t be able to survive in a body like that. That’s the thing even though they establish he can only work with blueprints he’s able to make Penny a new body simply because he’s told to “get creative” but something like what I mentioned should’ve happened if they were consistent.
This show needs no villains. The heroes do all the heavy lifting. Cinder, Salem etc are just there to motivate Team RWBY to get out of bed and do their thing. And on that note -- justice for Ironwood!
Don’t recall if this was addressed in the show or by any commentary, but if the portals are meant to be “one way” incidentally from RWBY’s instructions, then how would Cinder have any way back to Atlas/Salem?
Only the portals to Vacuo are one way, once you step through those you can’t go back. One would think with how literally the staff guy was he would have made both of the portals unable to be gone through once you’ve stepped through them as they’re both leading to Vacuo but they’re not.
@@michaeldorsey9231super easy barely an inconvenience. But it’s not like they were consistent with his rules either seeing as how Penny was only made human because they told him to “get creative”.
I still believe Jaune's semblance should have been electromagnetism instead of aura customer service. He would have Pyrrah's magnetic powers as well as so much needed range that he is missing since his weapon can't turn into a gun, he would have worked as a buffer to Nora's semblance and he would be versatile enough to make up for the lack of experience. Plus, it woudl make much more sense for Penny to die if they don't have a healer on standby!
A agree with a lot of what you say but there is one thing that you got wrong. The reason Jaune's semblance worked on Penny ios because her aura is not artificial. It is why she was able to become a maiden as well. her creator is more like her father. Her literally severed part of his aura, his soul to give her life. She doesn't have a fake aura but a real one. She has computer programming, but she also has a soul. So as ther Virus was trying to control her, her own spirit was fighting against it. The fact that the spirit could fight the virus shows boosting her aura to make it stronger would keep her in control. That one thing annoyed me, but most of the rest I agree with.
Potentially, Penny could overcome the virus if Jaune hadn't intervened. All everyone else had to do was hold her down and cheer her on. Besides, it's more of a hack than a virus.
So team RWBY is completely in the wrong here they probably kill a lot of people and yes ironwood had a plan it wasn't a great but it was a plan team RWBY didn't have a plan until later there no consequences for team RWBY action because to be honest ironwood didn't have to let them used his stuff upgrade there weapon he didn't even have to give yang her robot arm yet the show really want you to be on the side of team RWBY and emerald was forgiven to quickly hell haze was more interesting then the other villain Salem didn't have to much team RWBY basically did it for her
At least Ironwood wouldn’t force his people into Vacou, which is a desert wasteland with little to no resources, harsh conditions and a kingdom that has a grudge against them.
@samflood5631 To be fair, Team RWBY hoped the portals would lead the people to the CITY of Vacuo. Not some random spot in the kingdom. Thus, everyone got stranded because RWBY wasn't specific. It's a Monkey's Paw. Think like in DBZ, when Krillen, Gohan and Dende wished for Piccolo to be brought back to life and to be sent to Namek. But instead of being teleported to their feet, Piccolo was teleported to a different spot on the planet.
39:42 I don’t find it clever cause the story still breaks these rules. During Neo fight with Ruby, she falls back though one entrance portal and Cinder goes back though it(coincidentally the portal where Ironwood and Salem are)when it being a one way ticket would apply to the entrance portals, not just the exit portal.
@@thomasraines1396 ironwood:there are over 5,000 people alive in atlas, before the day you arrived, how many are alive now, I wonder. How many will be alive tomorrow?, I thought my duty was to protect Atlas from Salem but I was wrong I have to protect the city from you."
Holy heck. This series has gone off the rails. I think most heros are fighting each other because the Villiana are... few. (Like Salem, Cinder and Tyrain. Mercury will jump ship in Vacuo)
C'mon, it ain't Marrow's fault that the writers used him like a tool for some reas- *thinks back to why the white fang are so bad* well a specific reason.
Hey bro keep up with these kind of stuffs with V9, I'm super enjoy it. It's like a longer version of Vexed's enjoyable RWBY volume review. Keep up with good work ❤️
Yeah especially since Ironwood and daddy Tamas have quite similar characters the only difference being that Tamas is more selfish. And still ones writter made a complex hero and other team of writers made worst character assassination. RIP Irondaddy you will not be hurt by writters again.
Eh, not really. For anyone to care about Oscar losing his personality. We need to have an actual reason to care about Oscar as a character to begin with. That is a valid criticism and good point. For example just like how killing a random red shirt character that no one cares about has no meaning in a story. We need a reason to care about these RWBY characters before we can be expected to care about their struggles, demise or death of their personality. In Oscar's case his personality is practically non-existent, his character is wildly inconsistent. No one has any real reason to care about him being possessed because Oscar is more of a plot device than a character to even begin with. And the show itself doesn't seem much care about Oscar being possessed either. It shows Oscar being a butt monkey.
I know you probably won't see this or reply to my comment but I believe one of the main reasons husband didn't use his Cane let's say the writers thought of this back then and then just pull it out their ass kind of like they did this volume but a few reasons I believe he didn't use his Cane is because if cinder had got killed her power would have ended up going to Salem OR emerald and Salem was still have the fall made in powers , another reason is I don't think he can control how much kinetic energy comes out of the cane and he could have disable eyes the ground underneath where the vault was in the students above could have collapsed into sinkholes around the school and more people could have died those are the only few reasons I believe the cane wasn't used
And their was a weird animation movement they kept making. The general keeps putting his hands on someone's shoulder too many times. I mean, what the fuck? He didn't do it in previous volumes.
@@Dragonzord571 we have this problem on Twitter most of what rwby critics complain about is subjective. Some people really love/enjoy the story/writing of the show me included,does that mean that rwby is perfect? No.
@@johnkonig865 Simple, it would lead to all of Remnant sans those who got onto Amity dying. This would also limit genetic diversity. Alongside this, any soil they have would eventually become unfarmable, and they would hope they have blue collar workers up there with em to maintan stuff. Salem is also well, immortal, and likely could find a way up there
@@chrisdiokno5600 If I don't remember it wrong, it was Ironwood's plan to unite Remnant against Salem, he simply tried to get Atlas into the sky since facing her and the greatest horde of Grimm in known history alone wouldn't help anyone, it's just a temporary measure till enough forces can be amassed to actually win a straight-up fight.
@@chrisdiokno5600 Mate, those aren't mutually exclusive, if Salem can't match the might of the united kingdoms he can bring Atlas and its remaining forces down and lock the relics away as they had done before. If they're truly united, they might even be able to use the opportunity and bring back the brothers to end the threat of Salem for good.
Way to ruin any point you may have had by implying autist is a.) a word and b.) a word usable in an insulting way, given what's clearly meant to be referencing. Gotta love the ignorant children of the world thinking everyone has a cool, edgy bigot faze that makes their edgy bigot faze okay.
@@Dragonzord571 It's the new retard, specifically, used only in a derogatory manner. And if you can't make a point without saying bigoted words, you don't really have a point worth listening too. How can you be mature enough to break down and talk about an artform when you can't even conceptualize the emotions of others as a thing you should be concerned about on a simple moral level? Nothing you say about art has value if you don't understand peoples emotions. It's just sound and fury and rage, lacking any substance.
The substance is within the arguments. They stand or fail on their own. Everything else is flavor. Don't like it, fine. Move on. Moralize to a demographic I belong to all you want, I'll just laugh at you for being cringe.
@@Dragonzord571 You're arguing with an autistic individual about your use of a bigoted term specifically targeting individuals like him. You really don't see how that can affect someones perception of your ability to judge and analyze a situation, contrivance or other issues in a matter? Also trying to claim the 'totally autistic' card while using bigoted terminology to insult a character you don't like is laughable.
There's a lot of subjectivity here and a lot of objectively wrong statements and failure to comprehend key stuff. I'm not a sjw but the continual use of the r slur is worrisome. Constant insulting doesn't help anyone and won't get your point across. Do you think that the people your insulting are going to listen to you? Having said all of that I did actually agree on a few of your points
I only real people I insulted were the writers and consoomers. No one else. I couldn't care less if people are offended by words I'm not directing at them and my audience also knows what my intentions were. If people won't listen because of a word then that's on them.
@@grantlangkamp1909 You didn't even give examples of what I got wrong and by Hitchen's Law it can be dismissed without evidence. And your point is stupid. It's just a word and most people know it's just a word. They know it's not directed at them but the fictional characters and choices of the writing. I don't care if someone gets offended for other people and neither does the bulk of my audience as they understand context most of the time.
It genuinely feels like the writers were pissed off that people still liked Ironwood, so they assassinated his character out of spite.
And then in turn, out of spite, we continue to say "Iron Daddy did Nothing Wrong."
@@randomcenturion7264 who the heck is saying that?
@@randomcenturion7264 That's not fair. We all agree he fucked up when he trusted team RWBY.
@@YouthRightsRadical This is true.
I guess the writers hate rich military guys with respect and authority.
I just realized how little people try to take combative advantage of the fact that cinder has only one good eye
They’re all stupid, made even worse when you factor in Jaune, the guy the show claims is the “strategist” but he does nothing aside from the bare minimum.
Team RWBY fucked over Remnant hard and there is no coming back from it. Heck, Salem didn't even have to try. The 'heroes' caused more damage than she could (and it is funny how the 'heroes' ended up destroying 2 Kingdoms. The fall of Beacon looks tamed compared to this).
At least Beacon is salvageable, Atlas and Mantle are both gone.
Are we really sure Salem's the main villain of this show? Because it really doesn't feel like it.
What pisses me off the most is RWBY had no good reason to lie to James in Vol. 7 and NEVER attempted a compromise when he did find out about their betrayal. All the while immediately trusting a thief they don't know anything about, and Emerald, who was partially responsible for two of their friends' deaths and Yang's dismemberment AND their school being destroyed.
I agree. RWBY should have been honest with Ironwood after all that he did for Yang and Weiss. Giving Yang a fair punishment after attack Mercury unprovoked during the tournament by disqualifying her. Giving Yang a new arm after her bravery during the Fall of Beacon. Defending Weiss after she lost control of her powers and tried to attack that snobby rich woman. And how to they repay him? By lying to his face and leak information to a known criminal behind his back.
I still find Ren's "I can see emotions" power to be so stupid. His power was always that he could hide people from grimm by basically supressing the emotions so they can't be detected. To me, an extension on that power would have been the ability to redirect the source of those emotions. Such as him using his power to hide someone who is fearful and then redirecting that fear to a grimm, that way other grimm see it as the source and attack it thinking it is their target, as long as it is one of the less sentient grimm.
But no, gotta give their exposition mouthpiece the ability to just state how other characters are feeling because the writers can't do that any other way.
They had to make him a plot device to serve as an in universe reason as to why the Ace Ops got folded by RWBY (even then, the reason is total ass).
Why didn’t they just throw the relics into the void if they can’t beat Salem make her goal literally impossible not what she does
Excellent point.
They’re not smart.
That's exactly what I've been saying. These Relics are more of a problem than Salem. But on the other hand, they won't be able to summon the Brothers, and humanity will lose its second chance forever.
Just your daily reminder that Ironwood got character assassinated.
Adam: What about me?
I guess this show hates military guys like Ironwood, bad ass guys who were former slaves like Adam or any form of a healthy and functioning relationship between two people. And some people say that Kaneki x Touka from Tokyo Ghoul, Denji x Reze from Chainsaw Man and Kousei X Kaori from Your Lie in April are toxic relationships.
@@samflood5631damn
@@samflood5631 Military guys = bad guys according to the writers. Except Ironwood isn't militaristic?? Y'all are hunted down by monsters, weapons & soldiers are what you need. Nobody's raising an army to invade their neighbour, sit down RWBY writers...
Do not fall.
I don't know, maybe make railings that's an adult height?! With an air net?!
Everyone: (We like James Ironwood.)
Rooster Teeth: I took that personally (Proceeds to assassinate James' character and make Team RWBY make stupid decisions)
Everyone: (We hate Team RWBY now.)
Also Rooster Teeth: What are we doing wrong?!
🙄🙄🙄🙄
14:02-Don’t point your blamey little fingers at Ironwood. It was your idea to side with Tyrion which resulted in Clover’s death.
Exactly I could give a fuck about Qrow’s little angst fest.
@@thomasraines1396 Don't you mean that you couldn't give a f**k about Qrow's angst fest?
@@samflood5631 no I’m pretty sure that’s a way to say it.
@@thomasraines1396 I see. Could you give a f**k about the whole scene between Ruby and Yang sobbing over their dead mom? Nora calling Ren out on his angsty bad boyfriend attitude? Blake and Yang's fart of a relationship? All of the badly written death scenes and shock value in this volume 8?
@@samflood5631 no I really couldn’t it’s all trite melodrama. Summer isn’t a character, she’s a plot device, rarely ever brought up or talked about by Ruby or Yang who was added by Monty on a whim. I don’t care about Nora or Ren as characters. Yang and Blake are utterly superfluous and unnecessary as characters (Volume 9 really shows this).
I can’t help but be upset with how Ironwood and Penny were treated in Volume 8, both were pretty much my favorite characters in the whole show and it’s just fucking depressing to see how one of them becomes a psychotic murder man and the other finally becomes a real girl only to die almost immediately afterwards, this is fucking atrocious.
And what was the point of making Penny a human when they’re just going to kill her off two episodes later?
They where also my favorite characters, along with Watts, meaning my top three characters died in the spend of one épisode
@@samflood5631For the sake of drama, angst, and shock value
It amazes me that the white knights are still defending this hot garbage show. That they would justify the writer's terrible choices and bad writing over anything they do. They can make Team RWBY start killing innocent people and the fandom would cheer for them, the writers lame excuse" they didn't had a choice." It's mind blowing how badly the heroes are written and the fans don't mind, they eat it up like there was nothing wrong with the show.
Would you consider me a white knight? Your opinion on the show is subjective and not objective fact. Also your point about the "white knights" defending every action of team rwby even when they kill innocents is fundamentally against their character. The only way I see them possibly doing that is if they were given literally no choice or some ultimatum
@@grantlangkamp1909 The "white knight" term in this context is talking about those who, regardless of references provided, will always defend the terrible writing choices and inconsistent morality of the main protagonists along with the obvious contradictions in lore. It would take them slaughtering innocent people for no reason and the failure for any consequences for the "white knights" to actually take a step back and look at things. Because most of them have little standards for writing or obvious blind spots for this show.
People ruthlessly shitting on RWBY brings me joy
34:08
Also they all must be dead because NONE OF THESE PEOPLE APPEAR OR EVEN ARE REFERENCED IN VOLUME 9.
It’s like team RWBY don’t even care about the people they’re supposed to protect.
And they try and claim they got “everyone out”.
Question, why couldn’t team RWBY take the mantle and atlas refuges somewhere safe like Vale, Minstrel or Menagerie? And don’t give me the excuse that Minstrel doesn’t have any Hunters or Vale is still polluted with Grimm or that Menagerie is overpopulated with Faunus. The other three nations have safer environments and better resources to provide for the surviving refugees of both Mantle and Atlas.
Plot. Vacuo is the only place these morons haven’t harassed yet.
Because that required too much brain power from the writers.
Menagerie IS overpopulated, so all you would be doing is making life 100% more hard for the people who live there.
Menagerie is also waaaay smaller than all the other countries, and Atlas is full of racists
@@juicebox7372 So it's best to leave them in a desert wasteland with little resources, harsh conditions, dangerous number of Grimm and an entire kingdom who has a grudge against them?
@@samflood5631 They were better off in either Vale or Argus. Hell, even Haven Academy was a far better option than what they went with.
Alright this is going to be pretty so long I apologize in advance.
1. When it comes to Ironwood I don’t necessarily have a problem with him spiraling into complete insanity after everything that happened: everyone crapping on him in volume 7, the fact they comment on the fact he looks tired along with his beard shows he’s most likely hasn’t gotten much sleep (and even if he did it most likely wasn’t good), having to deal with Robyn and her cronies, learning about Robyn knowing about Amity during a high stress situation, learning that Salem can’t be killed during the Grimm invasion, sleeving his arm to stop Watts, the chess piece in his office, Salem appearing and basically saying “I’m on my way”, Yang defending her and the cat’s stupid decision of telling Robyn about the Amity Project, Yang complaining about his plan which he used to lure out Watts (which worked). So yeah after all of that it’s not a surprise he went crazy, my problem is that none of the characters react or care that he does, Qrow spends all of volume 8 being angsty about a guy he knew for (at the very most) a few weeks and wanting to gut James like a fish, only to be talked out of if by Robyn of all people. Ruby and the help flounder around trying to save everyone. But even after all that they still could’ve salvaged his character if they had him go out like any of Noble Squad from Halo Reach, Grifter from Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox or even just have Qrow go through with his plan of killing but have it legitimately be seen as a sad moment/and or mercy killing. Have Qrow’s killing of Ironwood be like Optimus Prime from “Transformers” after Megatron dies: “You left me no choice Brother” or Daryl from “The Walking Dead” as he mercy kills Dale while claiming “Sorry Brother.”
But he doesn’t even get that, right up until he dies he’s still being shat on. Hell the only one who seems remorseful and sad at how things went down is James (his crying before he fights Winter)
2. Emerald very easily could be a plant (just like Robyn could’ve been).
3. Qrow not only starts the fight on the ground, he also has enough time to switch his weapon to its sword form and then stop look at Tyrian, he has enough time to stop and look at his weapon it gets knocked out of his hands and finally he attacks Clover when Tyrian is tied up on the ground when he isn’t a threat to anybody.
4. Ruby and her gaggle of morons should have a “Spec Ops: The Line” type of realization.
5. Marrow is honestly one of the biggest tools in the entire series.
6. The entire end of Volume 8 gave Cinder the same amount of plot armor as a character named Prometheus from a comic called “Cry for Justice” from DC.
7. Watts’s rant while undeniably amazing and filled to the brim with over the top scenery chewing was all in vain all in the name of making Cinder look cool.
8. The whole “Military bad” and Marrow’s asinine “THEY’RE JUST KIDS!” line are insanely stupid, a fully functioning military would be welcome in such a world and any notions of “kids” being kept out of the conflict would be tossed aside out of basic necessity for survival (sort of like the Walking Dead) instead of most of the kingdoms relying on what are essentially wandering mercenaries.
9. The people of Atlas and Mantle also come form a frozen tundra and Vacuo is a desert, these people consist of improvised, malnourished poor people or aristocratic assholes who more then likely have never had to live off the land, not only that but the people of Vacuo have chips on their shoulders for people from Atlas as Atlas screwed them over during the Great War and finally Vacuo has its own set of Grimm (with what are basically the sand worms from Dune of Beetlejuice). The plan to move all these morons to Vacuo is a logistical and strategic nightmare and would realistically end with them all dying in various ways (lack of resources, shift in climate, Grimm, their fellow man).
To add on what you said in regards to the evacuation of Mantle and Atlas, iirc they had an hour to evacuate everyone out of both areas. You expect me to believe an hour was long enough to evacuate thousands/millions of people in the portals? I find that highly unlikely.
@@wingadept8793 exactly it’s utter crap they “got everyone out”, just because the show claims it doesn’t make believable.
yea, we're going to be _told_ via character dialogue that Ruby's plan saved more lives. Just like we're _told_ Robyn's the hero of Mantle residents despite never being seen fighting Grimm in Mantle. And we were _told_ Menagerie isn't an awesome paradise that the Faunus would thrive in.
@@konstellashon1364 yep, all told never shown.
Couldn’t team RWBY just send the refugees to a more secure area with all of the protection and resources they need to survive? Like Vale, Argus, Haven or maybe Mengerie? Sure there will be racial tension between the humans and Faunus on the Isle, but Mengerie has the resources that these refugees need to survive. Better than sticking them in a desert kingdom that has a grudge against them. Face it, the Vacou Plan was doomed from the start. Who cares if Shade Academy has the best Hunters ever. What these refugees need is food, shelter and a perfect environment to survive. I mean, everyone from Atlas and Mantle would suffer from Overheating and Dehydration because they spent their entire lives in a cold environment that snows 24/7. It’s like throwing a Polar Bear into a desert to see if it will survive on its own.
Team rwby are not heroes ironwood had only one way to beat Salem take atlas high in the sky to make sure the relic doesn't get stolen sure the people that don't live in atals would have probably die but the rest of the world would have been saved because Salem plans to summon the gods would failed forcing Salem to go back to the drawing board for maybe a year or more years until she can find a way up to atlas giving everyone more time to deal with Salem but no team rwby doesn't want that sure letting people die sucks but that's war sometimes in war you have to make a choice to save a few people or a bigger group of people that's the sad true but it has to be done team rwby doom the world
If it weren’t plot (and if Salem actually gave a fuck about Mantle) literally everyone would’ve died.
While Ironwood takes Atlas into the sky, Weiss and Penny and RBY coordinate to evacuate Mantle to Argos. And Winter works up in Atlas to send spare troops to make sure everyone is protected in both cities.
Bam. Compromise.
"Trust is a risk"
Wouldn't that be something a villain would say?
To me, the most insulting part of the second half of v8 is what they did with Jacques.
After spending most of the volume occasionally using him to make a few cheap jokes where he acts OOC, Winter tells him that he’s going to be rescued from the destruction of Atlas, but then decides to insult him by telling him that it was Weiss’s decision, implying that Winter hates him enough to wish he was dead. We’ve never been given any reason as to why Winter hates her own father this much, much more than Weiss, but it’s expected of RWBY to give us the bare minimum of backstory.
Then after dangling a carrot in front of his face after he found out that he’s going to lose his home, his fortune and his company, facing guaranteed poverty on top of being led by a band of vengeful communist terrorists, they make Ironwood shoot him with one blast so that there’s nothing left where he was.
Now some may argue that he had it coming by being a dick to James right before, but think about it, he had no way of knowing that it was team RWBY, Oscar and Emerald that were actually responsible for Atlas’s impending collapse, which both his daughters were complicit in, he probably has no idea about Salem. Of course he’s going to blame James for this, since as far as he’s concerned, he was in charge of Atlas until team RWBYs coup.
Rooster teeth seems to genuinely hate him and ever since ‘as above, so below’ has taken every opportunity to humiliate him and beat him when he’s down. All while rewarding terrorists like Robyn and Emerald who are far worse people, with forgiveness and being there ones who lead the former residents of Atlas, and acting sympathetic to genocidal narcissistic maniacs like Cinder. At least Arthur Watts got to exert his Chad energy against Cinder, Jacques got nothing.
Ah but you must remember, women can do anything in RWBY and be praised. All men are inherently evil from birth in their eye (Remnant is basically a matriarchal hellhole for guys.)
Sadly Watts dies all in the name of making Cinder look cool.
@@galanga21890 she does.
TBF Robyn is attempting to help the common folk. I mean James DID impose martial law
@@chrisdiokno5600 not until Salem showed up with her dumbass whale.
Ironwood finally stand aganist salem giving his all to the very end. Would have been cool especially compared to salem he is a protagonist. Losing to an immortal magical god witch but giving it all he got. Even see Salem fight differently like grim stuff, magic usage like you tried so I'll actually give you a fight
They went to Chad genie guy and risk the hell out of gambling Penny's soul. He could have easily made a vessel like container to hold her soul not a body. We know that tech exists because of the maiden transfer machine Oz had
I thought of something even more terrifying, she has the body but it’s just an empty husk, completely hollow no organs, nothing.
@@thomasraines1396 oh creepy a horrific vessel but I guess they saying how would the soul stay alive
@@silvertongue.242_99 she wouldn’t be able to survive in a body like that. That’s the thing even though they establish he can only work with blueprints he’s able to make Penny a new body simply because he’s told to “get creative” but something like what I mentioned should’ve happened if they were consistent.
Season 8 of RWBY has the most, "awww, hugs are nice" moments in an entire anime series, in 3 episodes.
Not even halfway through and I forgot this is almost an hour long
Lmao Sam I thought this would be like 40
This show needs no villains. The heroes do all the heavy lifting. Cinder, Salem etc are just there to motivate Team RWBY to get out of bed and do their thing.
And on that note -- justice for Ironwood!
Don’t recall if this was addressed in the show or by any commentary, but if the portals are meant to be “one way” incidentally from RWBY’s instructions, then how would Cinder have any way back to Atlas/Salem?
Only the portals to Vacuo are one way, once you step through those you can’t go back. One would think with how literally the staff guy was he would have made both of the portals unable to be gone through once you’ve stepped through them as they’re both leading to Vacuo but they’re not.
@@thomasraines1396 well that’s certainly lucky
@@michaeldorsey9231super easy barely an inconvenience. But it’s not like they were consistent with his rules either seeing as how Penny was only made human because they told him to “get creative”.
13:37, That isn't what hypocrisy means, unless she had secrets herself. It's just a contradiction.
I still believe Jaune's semblance should have been electromagnetism instead of aura customer service.
He would have Pyrrah's magnetic powers as well as so much needed range that he is missing since his weapon can't turn into a gun, he would have worked as a buffer to Nora's semblance and he would be versatile enough to make up for the lack of experience. Plus, it woudl make much more sense for Penny to die if they don't have a healer on standby!
A agree with a lot of what you say but there is one thing that you got wrong. The reason Jaune's semblance worked on Penny ios because her aura is not artificial. It is why she was able to become a maiden as well. her creator is more like her father. Her literally severed part of his aura, his soul to give her life. She doesn't have a fake aura but a real one. She has computer programming, but she also has a soul. So as ther Virus was trying to control her, her own spirit was fighting against it. The fact that the spirit could fight the virus shows boosting her aura to make it stronger would keep her in control.
That one thing annoyed me, but most of the rest I agree with.
Potentially, Penny could overcome the virus if Jaune hadn't intervened. All everyone else had to do was hold her down and cheer her on. Besides, it's more of a hack than a virus.
So team RWBY is completely in the wrong here they probably kill a lot of people and yes ironwood had a plan it wasn't a great but it was a plan team RWBY didn't have a plan until later there no consequences for team RWBY action because to be honest ironwood didn't have to let them used his stuff upgrade there weapon he didn't even have to give yang her robot arm yet the show really want you to be on the side of team RWBY and emerald was forgiven to quickly hell haze was more interesting then the other villain Salem didn't have to much team RWBY basically did it for her
At least Ironwood wouldn’t force his people into Vacou, which is a desert wasteland with little to no resources, harsh conditions and a kingdom that has a grudge against them.
@samflood5631 To be fair, Team RWBY hoped the portals would lead the people to the CITY of Vacuo. Not some random spot in the kingdom. Thus, everyone got stranded because RWBY wasn't specific. It's a Monkey's Paw.
Think like in DBZ, when Krillen, Gohan and Dende wished for Piccolo to be brought back to life and to be sent to Namek. But instead of being teleported to their feet, Piccolo was teleported to a different spot on the planet.
39:42
I don’t find it clever cause the story still breaks these rules. During Neo fight with Ruby, she falls back though one entrance portal and Cinder goes back though it(coincidentally the portal where Ironwood and Salem are)when it being a one way ticket would apply to the entrance portals, not just the exit portal.
Love the Gamera and toku scenes edited in.
At this point Ruby Rose might as well be Captain Walker.
Ruby Rose: “I didn’t mean to hurt anybody.”
@@thomasraines1396 Pyrrha Nikos: do you feel like a hero yet?.
Penny Polendina: do you even remember why you're here?.
@@cutlerhanks926 Lie Ren: “Don’t you get it?! It’s a lie! You’re no fucking hero! You can’t save anyone! This is all your fault! Yours!”
@@thomasraines1396 ironwood:there are over 5,000 people alive in atlas, before the day you arrived, how many are alive now, I wonder. How many will be alive tomorrow?, I thought my duty was to protect Atlas from Salem but I was wrong I have to protect the city from you."
@@cutlerhanks926 Ruby Rose: “This isn’t my fault.”
Holy heck. This series has gone off the rails.
I think most heros are fighting each other because the Villiana are... few. (Like Salem, Cinder and Tyrain. Mercury will jump ship in Vacuo)
C'mon, it ain't Marrow's fault that the writers used him like a tool for some reas- *thinks back to why the white fang are so bad* well a specific reason.
Hey bro keep up with these kind of stuffs with V9, I'm super enjoy it. It's like a longer version of Vexed's enjoyable RWBY volume review. Keep up with good work ❤️
Ikr? Loved this
Yeah especially since Ironwood and daddy Tamas have quite similar characters the only difference being that Tamas is more selfish. And still ones writter made a complex hero and other team of writers made worst character assassination. RIP Irondaddy you will not be hurt by writters again.
So any predictions for what lessons Ruby will Learn next volume
None that will matter
Be yourself
@@haruokumura4271 They have been themselves, and look how that's screwing everyone else.
@@haruokumura4271that’s basically what it boils down to sadly.
Eh, not really. For anyone to care about Oscar losing his personality. We need to have an actual reason to care about Oscar as a character to begin with. That is a valid criticism and good point. For example just like how killing a random red shirt character that no one cares about has no meaning in a story. We need a reason to care about these RWBY characters before we can be expected to care about their struggles, demise or death of their personality. In Oscar's case his personality is practically non-existent, his character is wildly inconsistent. No one has any real reason to care about him being possessed because Oscar is more of a plot device than a character to even begin with. And the show itself doesn't seem much care about Oscar being possessed either. It shows Oscar being a butt monkey.
Great video.
The rwby heroes don’t even take out their own enemies their enemies take out each other ironic isn’t it
RWBY is bad now.
It kinda always was but had that rough charm
@@Dragonzord571 but it has only gotten much worse from there hasn't it?
@E . A i wouldin't say its that bad
@E . A aguin not really it dose has good things vol 1-3 never seen vol 4-5
Vol6-8 kinda fails
always has been
I know you probably won't see this or reply to my comment but I believe one of the main reasons husband didn't use his Cane let's say the writers thought of this back then and then just pull it out their ass kind of like they did this volume but a few reasons I believe he didn't use his Cane is because if cinder had got killed her power would have ended up going to Salem OR emerald and Salem was still have the fall made in powers , another reason is I don't think he can control how much kinetic energy comes out of the cane and he could have disable eyes the ground underneath where the vault was in the students above could have collapsed into sinkholes around the school and more people could have died those are the only few reasons I believe the cane wasn't used
And their was a weird animation movement they kept making. The general keeps putting his hands on someone's shoulder too many times. I mean, what the fuck? He didn't do it in previous volumes.
Jakethesurgen
Would I be able to use your volume 8 ironwood robot fake out idea for my Rwby fanfiction
Go ahead
I only watched this show because I hoped that RWBY would have a comeback and had hope for season 5 but it kept getting worse after season 6.
10:50 same
14:30 I agree
you finished volume 9?
I honestly hope v8 is the last.
Damnit.
@@aimanimran3010 Apparently v9 was one of the better seasons with an ok ending. If it ends there then that should be their high note.
Kaiser?
No. but he's a friend of the channel
It’s here finally
Facts
This dude talks like a time traveler from 2009.
I love Volume 8. I've been a fan of RWBY since 2015. I'm so excited for volume 9
And that is perfectly fine. It's still really bad.
@@Dragonzord571 subjective
@@grantlangkamp1909 Incorrect. How a story is constructed is not subjective.
@@grantlangkamp1909 your enjoyment is subjective. Contradictions and errors in continuity/characters is an objective flaw
@@Dragonzord571 we have this problem on Twitter most of what rwby critics complain about is subjective. Some people really love/enjoy the story/writing of the show me included,does that mean that rwby is perfect? No.
TBF, James plan would only work in the relative shortterm
Why?
@@johnkonig865 Simple, it would lead to all of Remnant sans those who got onto Amity dying. This would also limit genetic diversity. Alongside this, any soil they have would eventually become unfarmable, and they would hope they have blue collar workers up there with em to maintan stuff. Salem is also well, immortal, and likely could find a way up there
@@chrisdiokno5600 If I don't remember it wrong, it was Ironwood's plan to unite Remnant against Salem, he simply tried to get Atlas into the sky since facing her and the greatest horde of Grimm in known history alone wouldn't help anyone, it's just a temporary measure till enough forces can be amassed to actually win a straight-up fight.
@@johnkonig865 Nope, it was "Keep the Relic out of her hands and let everyone else do what they can."
@@chrisdiokno5600 Mate, those aren't mutually exclusive, if Salem can't match the might of the united kingdoms he can bring Atlas and its remaining forces down and lock the relics away as they had done before. If they're truly united, they might even be able to use the opportunity and bring back the brothers to end the threat of Salem for good.
Way to ruin any point you may have had by implying autist is a.) a word and b.) a word usable in an insulting way, given what's clearly meant to be referencing. Gotta love the ignorant children of the world thinking everyone has a cool, edgy bigot faze that makes their edgy bigot faze okay.
A. It is a word
B. My arguments still stand. If you can't see past the words you don't like, that's a personal problem and I don't care.
@@Dragonzord571 It's the new retard, specifically, used only in a derogatory manner. And if you can't make a point without saying bigoted words, you don't really have a point worth listening too. How can you be mature enough to break down and talk about an artform when you can't even conceptualize the emotions of others as a thing you should be concerned about on a simple moral level? Nothing you say about art has value if you don't understand peoples emotions. It's just sound and fury and rage, lacking any substance.
The substance is within the arguments. They stand or fail on their own. Everything else is flavor. Don't like it, fine. Move on. Moralize to a demographic I belong to all you want, I'll just laugh at you for being cringe.
@@Dragonzord571 You're arguing with an autistic individual about your use of a bigoted term specifically targeting individuals like him. You really don't see how that can affect someones perception of your ability to judge and analyze a situation, contrivance or other issues in a matter?
Also trying to claim the 'totally autistic' card while using bigoted terminology to insult a character you don't like is laughable.
Cope
There's a lot of subjectivity here and a lot of objectively wrong statements and failure to comprehend key stuff. I'm not a sjw but the continual use of the r slur is worrisome. Constant insulting doesn't help anyone and won't get your point across. Do you think that the people your insulting are going to listen to you? Having said all of that I did actually agree on a few of your points
I only real people I insulted were the writers and consoomers. No one else. I couldn't care less if people are offended by words I'm not directing at them and my audience also knows what my intentions were. If people won't listen because of a word then that's on them.
The r word! @JakeTheSurgen how could you! You were the chosen autist!
@@Dragonzord571 you only replied about one thing about my comment,what about every other point I made? My points still stand
@@grantlangkamp1909 You didn't even give examples of what I got wrong and by Hitchen's Law it can be dismissed without evidence. And your point is stupid. It's just a word and most people know it's just a word. They know it's not directed at them but the fictional characters and choices of the writing. I don't care if someone gets offended for other people and neither does the bulk of my audience as they understand context most of the time.
@@Dragonzord571 self aware people are the only ones that understand context is more important that the words themselves.