CEO GETS GHOSTED, NOW WANTS JOB SEEKERS TO PAY TO APPLY?! |

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  • @jillmortlock8439
    @jillmortlock8439 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1087

    I used to be in retail management. When recruiting I always made sure that I contacted every unsuccessful applicant. Yes it was time consuming but it was just common courtesy, plus each of those applicants could be customers and I wanted them to know that although unsuccessful this time, the company appreciated them applying.

    • @JoshuaFluke1
      @JoshuaFluke1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +406

      You are an MVP in a sea of people who don't care. We appreciate you.

    • @zergslayer69
      @zergslayer69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +92

      Thank you for not ghosting. Even if you gave some cookie cutter answer at least there's closure.

    • @ThingsILikke
      @ThingsILikke 3 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      I have been emailed and called by two people I interviewed with out of the 200 people in my lifetime I interviewed with. It probably took them 3 minutes but it really stood out as classy .

    • @m.rakelinggara.2174
      @m.rakelinggara.2174 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      We need more good people like you in the recruitment business.

    • @channul4887
      @channul4887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@JoshuaFluke1 "You are an MVP in a sea of people who don't care. We appreciate you."
      And how do you change people's mindsets, Josh? By making videos to tell them that it's ok to not have a courtesy to tell someone that you won't be attending a meeting that they know they have in their schedule?

  • @masterpaladin
    @masterpaladin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +763

    If I got 5 bucks for every time a place I applied to ghosted me, I wouldn't need a job.

    • @tobiasreaper3650
      @tobiasreaper3650 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Say it louder for the people in the back

    • @5556665012008
      @5556665012008 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@tobiasreaper3650 IF I GOT 5 BUCKS FOR....

    • @ItsOKtobeNormal
      @ItsOKtobeNormal ปีที่แล้ว +19

      What I hate is when they act like you got the job and you end up not getting it, just tell me I didn't get it, be honest.

    • @paulstrauss9146
      @paulstrauss9146 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lol! Right!?

    • @dragonstooth4223
      @dragonstooth4223 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      me too

  • @catsparkle
    @catsparkle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1080

    Plot twist: They never officially reject your application, they just keep the deposit.

    • @acloud7604
      @acloud7604 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      Plot twist twist: Me and my ski mask bros come in to rob the place at 2:48 AM from the back window

    • @businesscat4435
      @businesscat4435 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      No company is good enough to make someone pay. I'd rather walk dogs for a living than endure more of this insane feudalist bullshit from corporations

    • @Seattle-2017
      @Seattle-2017 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yes - exactly! It's a new business model for sleazebag CEOs!

    • @rejectionistmanifesto8836
      @rejectionistmanifesto8836 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.

    • @StardragonEX2
      @StardragonEX2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I pretty sure some employers would just do that to earn money.

  • @SeaFlower38
    @SeaFlower38 3 ปีที่แล้ว +839

    I agree! How about they pay people for applying? Lol. The whole process is pretty time consuming, inconvenient, and often unrewarding for an applicant.

    • @noble7461
      @noble7461 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      Just got an email from a company I didn’t even apply to requesting I take an aptitude test which takes an hour or more. Really really don’t want to waist my time jumping through hoops for nothing.

    • @abbiealverez2960
      @abbiealverez2960 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Exactly we have to update our resume, customise a cover letter, travel, pay for petrol and parking and they want us to pay, fuck off i would not want to work there

    • @codingstation7741
      @codingstation7741 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@noble7461 I don't know who tf started using aptitude tests as a screening method 😤

    • @llVIU
      @llVIU 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      recruiters get paid to talk to us. We don't get paid to apply to jobs. And it's a business transaction for the benefit of the company AND the employee. The company gets an employee, the employee gets a job.
      Better example: when an agency tells me to drive 1-2 hours to their agency. "for an interview". But it's not an interview with the company, it's with the agency. Any questions that they have, they can ask over the e-mail or phone. Any paperwork they need, they can send via e-mail. Making me waste several hours of my time for some 20 year old kid getting 10 minutes of experience interviewing a person. Who should be paying who here?

    • @RDA8191
      @RDA8191 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What world do you live in where applying for a job is supposed to be "rewarding for an applicant"? What an absolute joke of mentality

  • @MDobri-sy1ce
    @MDobri-sy1ce 3 ปีที่แล้ว +537

    At least Dairy Queen gave me a free ice cream after the interview and I wasn’t even hired after but it was still something!

    • @Kanal7Indonesia
      @Kanal7Indonesia 3 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      That's so sweet, literally

    • @johniii8147
      @johniii8147 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      lol

    • @RockyZajThoj
      @RockyZajThoj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Lol same happened to me too.

    • @Greenthumb6a
      @Greenthumb6a 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Sometimes managers at corporate jobs bend rules or directly break rules because they’re humans with empathy. I worked at a predatory loan office after college and talked many customers out of all kinds of loans that they didn’t need or couldn’t get out of if they would’ve applied. Literally would give them financial advice and try to help them find an alternative solution before borrowing money from us.
      But our manager at Wendy’s in high school would take wraps and cheese and sauces and make us cheese quesadillas. He knew he could get in deep shit but didn’t care because it was shit that we were gonna throw away and it was a tiny thing that meant a lot to us.

    • @bccsivxx-xxivvii
      @bccsivxx-xxivvii 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@Greenthumb6a I used to do the same thing, talk people out of getting loans when I worked for a place that did payday loans. I'd spend more time talking them out of it and looking for other solutions than it would take for me to write the loan. Around half of the people were coming in wanting a loan to pay medical bills, usually from one of those freestanding ER places that started popping up everywhere around 12, maybe 15 years, where they charge $60 for an aspirin. Collections would be telling them they were going to sue them and garnish their wages or even send the police to their house to arrest them and put them in jail if they didn't pay. Of course that's all BS, they can't throw you in jail anywhere in the US, and in my state they can't garnish wages for anything except taxes and child support. They're almost never going to sue for anything less than $5k, likely $10k. Medical bills don't count against your credit the same way as other debt, at least in my state, it can't be counted against you when applying for a home loan and a lot of places never bother reporting it anyway. And they have to accept a payment plan if you offer, whether it's $20 a month or whatever. I handed out flyers I made up with the contact info on how to file complaints with the state attorney general, OCCC, CFPB & FTC for the ones threatening jail time. Anyway, the ones that did get it, I made sure they knew the terms we weren't supposed to talk about, like it can be canceled if paid back within 3 days, or payment plans available with a fraction of the interest rate. I hate the way corporations run our country and our lives, trapping people in that crap. There was one senior manager that wanted to fire me over it. I flat out refused to stop what I was doing, telling her it's in the best interest of our customers and it'd be a disservice to withhold everything I counseled them on. But I was a model employee, my store still had the best numbers in the region with 15 others, and HR and some of her superiors actually backed me up, and said that wasn't a valid cause for termination. Surprising, because it probably was, this being an at will state.

  • @gureno19
    @gureno19 3 ปีที่แล้ว +291

    Love how companies feel betrayed when a candidate ghosts them....but when a company ghosts an applicant, which happens all the time, its a non issue.

    • @DJCaine
      @DJCaine 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      ALL THE TIME

    • @rafael502
      @rafael502 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Same thing how they expect 2 week notice when you quit, but fire you with zero notice

    • @Segphalt
      @Segphalt 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@rafael502 Not just zero notice but will out and out lie about how there is no expectation of downsizing less than a week before doing so.

    • @craigedwards2411
      @craigedwards2411 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it is because you are just a burden! You are also replaceable but only when we (the company) want or need to replace you.

  • @emeraldxtouch
    @emeraldxtouch 3 ปีที่แล้ว +491

    Now imagine this in reverse - candidates asking for a 5 pound refund for every time they applied and NEVER got an answer. That's a time and resources investment as well, isn't it? Funny how employees are expected to just take it but employers think it's justified to charge already broke people 5 pound for the OPPORTUNITY (not even the guarantee) to get a job. Can you even post this, unironically? Because it's terrifying if any business owner thinks this is appropriate in any circumstances.

    • @sportsfan1717
      @sportsfan1717 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Corporate entitlement at its finest.

    • @aussiegruber86
      @aussiegruber86 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Some of the application processes I have done takes hours to apply for 1 job, they take all your personal information all your data and you never hear back...... all wasted time

    • @clutchboi4038
      @clutchboi4038 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Shit Id apply at 100 places a day lol

    • @scienceskills
      @scienceskills 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cristina, i don0t know why but what you say reminds me of the policies about cookies we are always forced to accept to use Internet services. What about if we let them pay for that? 😅

    • @wimeatsworld
      @wimeatsworld 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How do you think I paid for my Ford Mustang?

  • @XxVeexX19
    @XxVeexX19 3 ปีที่แล้ว +322

    Wait this CEO is mad that a guy did what every job does to it's un-chosen applicants??? 🤣🤣🤣

    • @cr4yv3n
      @cr4yv3n 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The irony is palpable ! 🤣

  • @PiroFyre
    @PiroFyre 3 ปีที่แล้ว +264

    My company literally has a notice on top of our careers page, saying if any recruiter approaches them and ask for money to apply, it's a scam. We don't charge applicants for applying.

    • @taavi948
      @taavi948 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      No normal company does.

    • @kristenlueken4023
      @kristenlueken4023 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      So.... You're saying i shouldn't give every random guy who knows how to copy/paste corporate job speak onto Indeed my SSN, license number, personal history, bank routing number, and a job application fee....? Then how do I get a job? ;)

    • @turtle4826
      @turtle4826 ปีที่แล้ว

      don't some states have laws about this, especially union heavy states like new jersey? if anything this is a liability issue that could see future civil lawsuits.

    • @SoulTouchMusic93
      @SoulTouchMusic93 ปีที่แล้ว

      my first thought, i'd think it was a scam company too.

    • @ZenAurora
      @ZenAurora 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's what I would think too if I saw that. I hear about many people who got scammed by unscrupulous individuals posting fake ads for jobs in government and very large companies.

  • @leafodan3730
    @leafodan3730 3 ปีที่แล้ว +252

    “It takes time and money to find new employees”.
    Yeah … that’s the job. Spend time and money finding good people.

    • @grantoden8242
      @grantoden8242 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      It's like the guy has been oblivious to the costs of running a business all this time.

    • @МарияК-з1е
      @МарияК-з1е 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      It's called investment. If good candidate is found, return of investment will happen within 1st day of his or her employment

    • @llVIU
      @llVIU 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      at least recruiters get paid for searching for people. We don't get paid for looking for a job.

    • @moldovanmoldovan7593
      @moldovanmoldovan7593 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Spend even more to retain them. No? then goto 1

    • @TarsonTalon
      @TarsonTalon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You know, instead of immediately firing the experienced staff so you can get newbies you don't have to pay as much.

  • @ddevulders
    @ddevulders 3 ปีที่แล้ว +254

    Haha this reminds me of this time a company wanted me to complete a 'coding challenge relevant to their platform' so they briefed me a feature ticket I needed to create a pull request for to show my competence, now this should never be a problem if it wasn't for the ticket actually being assigned 4 hours of work by their senior dev. The look on their faces when I told them that, sure I would do their challenge, for the 125 an hour I would normally charge for freelance work.
    I can't believe people think it's okay to ask someone to work for free just for a chance to be hired? like who do you think you are? Jordan Belfort?

    • @sohaibarif2835
      @sohaibarif2835 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      The only companies that should be able to get away with this are ones who would never make you do this. You would complete a 4 hour sprint for google, microsoft or amazon for this chance just to tell others you did it. But those companies would never let an outsider touch their non-open source code.

    • @ddevulders
      @ddevulders 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@sohaibarif2835 I think you're right in both statements, I would be more willing to provide work to a company in which the result of hiring is tremendous but the same companies that hold this value would never ask anyone to because they simply don't require that input to get a result for their product in the first place.

    • @Seattle-2017
      @Seattle-2017 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      They're just making free work from job "applicants" part of their business model. Kind of like a modern day, white collar slavery.

    • @johnpenguin9188
      @johnpenguin9188 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Lol, that tells you a lot about a company.
      They don’t have any concerns about people stealing their code or poking about looking for security holes... and if they actually use code written by applicants, then they are just plain nuts.
      They’re clearly not a serious company.

    • @МарияК-з1е
      @МарияК-з1е 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Lol, it's like translation firms sometimes. They would give you an entire document to translate, proofread, etc as your "test". Later on, people would see their work published as an official translation for decrees or something else. No money for the labour, of course, as it was "just the test" after which they would never called back

  • @pllpsy665
    @pllpsy665 3 ปีที่แล้ว +312

    If it's ok for a company to e-mail someone 1year+ after an interview to tell them they found someone else then it's totally ok to send a e-mail refusing an offer 1year+ later.

    • @seinfan9
      @seinfan9 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I had an email rejection notice that the position was cancelled about 4 years after I applied. The idiots never found anyone lmao. The department likely got canned.

    • @AlyssaTaylor9
      @AlyssaTaylor9 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      One I applied for a position, only to hear back well over a year later that the position had re-opened and I was invited to interview.
      Like... no thanks. Sounds to me like the other person quit and you just need to fill the slot asap.

    • @tobiasreaper3650
      @tobiasreaper3650 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@seinfan9 that's great

    • @cedric3973
      @cedric3973 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Man the number of times I have had this happen is crazy.

    • @anastasiacline6159
      @anastasiacline6159 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I'm an aerospace manufacturing engineer and while I was in college I applied to be a tailor at David's Bridal after I bought some things from them to alter my own wedding dress and THEY asked me to apply. I didn't hear anything after that and it's been 6 years since I applied. They called me up just last month to offer me the job! LOL!

  • @Tinab275
    @Tinab275 3 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    They ghost applicants all the time with no manners or courtesy. Same as when they fire people they are let go unceremoniously but when you leave you have to give 2 weeks notice as courtesy.

  • @simulatrix
    @simulatrix 3 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    Pay to apply? Sounds like college admissions

  • @princessmarlena1359
    @princessmarlena1359 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Total double standards. They can ghost applicants, but applicants can’t ghost them.

    • @rosevan7845
      @rosevan7845 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you consider that it is far more common to hear,read,watch a ghost story about a human that has died than about a company that died I would say that when a corporation does it the term used should properly be zombied/undeaded,or generically, /monstered. Those terms are not as catchy for this and are experiencing heavy useage in other situations so I understand turning these nouns to verbs will have to wait for mainstream appeal.
      Not so much a double standard as no standard at all. There is a reason the warning for scams exsist. That reason is that CEO's are criminally inclined and certain bechaviors are illigal. More than likely because the potential for abuse is 98.6%.

  • @kitsune7351
    @kitsune7351 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Most executives are narcissists: usually grandiose and often malignant. This CEO is doing us a favor by showing us upfront that the company is a toxic work environment.
    Any updates on their luck? I'm sure people are breaking their application server to pay to apply 🙄

    • @philipdrew1066
      @philipdrew1066 ปีที่แล้ว

      But they have an enormous beating heart

  • @businesscat4435
    @businesscat4435 3 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Each time a temp agency promises the job will go permanent, I ask to read the "contract" (since they claim it's a contract, but it's a temp job) and say I need it in writing, they refuse. F recruiters.

    • @None-0n3
      @None-0n3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      A temp agency is a union for scabs. Except they don't get good pay or benefits

    • @Julez60
      @Julez60 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      * a scab agency

  • @sportsfan1717
    @sportsfan1717 3 ปีที่แล้ว +108

    It appears companies and recruiters don't like being ghosted, so why did they start the trend?

    • @llVIU
      @llVIU 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ahahahhaha you hit them right on the nail

    • @grimgoreironhide9985
      @grimgoreironhide9985 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Cuddly Cooper Probably when letters were first used. I don't think ghosting is a modern thing.

  • @chris-solmon4017
    @chris-solmon4017 3 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Funny - recruiters ghost people all the time.

  • @SuprousOxide
    @SuprousOxide 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Worse is my old company who would make an offer and then string people along for months, and THEN tell them the position had evaporated. So sorry, hope you didn't give up on the job search in the mean time

    • @matthewridgeway9250
      @matthewridgeway9250 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They string along in case the chosen applicant leaves.

  • @darkoz1692
    @darkoz1692 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    "It takes time and money to find new employees"
    Yep, welcome to the business world.

  • @AugustusTitus
    @AugustusTitus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    "We need new revenue streams!" "Why don't we try charging job applicants?" "That's brilliant!"

    • @turtle4826
      @turtle4826 ปีที่แล้ว

      *Department of Labor and comptroller office has entered the chat*

  • @retrofraction
    @retrofraction 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    That CEO is going at this 100% the wrong way.
    If a job seeker doesn’t see value in interviewing for the position, you need to make the position worth their time.
    Aka quit being cheap AF and raise the wage.

  • @DannyD-lr5yg
    @DannyD-lr5yg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    This smacks of insecurity!
    Reminds me of a “wackiest lawsuits” list I saw the other day - one man in Austin, TX _sued a woman he went on a date with, because she’d been on her phone the whole time._ They ended up settling, with her paying him back the $17.50 for a movie ticket and 1/2 of the popcorn, in exchange for him never contacting her again 😂
    Tl;dr This manager is the business version of someone who’d sue their date for being bored by them 🤣🤣😭

    • @stefan1360
      @stefan1360 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Man why is America so easy on the "I'm gonna sue you" trigger? How butthurt can some people get...

    • @drillingig2368
      @drillingig2368 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stefan1360 laughs in European

    • @gokublack8342
      @gokublack8342 ปีที่แล้ว

      @stefan1360 Gotta sue alot to stop these greedy companies/landlords from screwing us. Pretty much every landlord(that is an LLC individuals are usually better about it) will try to find some way to screw you out of your deposit if anything people don't sue enough in some cases or landlords wouldn't pull that bs

    • @zachroberts1988
      @zachroberts1988 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@stefan1360 the weirder thing is he probably spent a few hundred in court just to file the case...

    • @rosevan7845
      @rosevan7845 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@stefan1360 If you have the time money and inclination it is the only way to get anything out of the parasite. If americans were paid for the productivity they produce the butthurt would go away and so would the hunger, anxiety and willingness to do anything to keep a job. But you knew that....

  • @JamesB21a
    @JamesB21a 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    It's funny, I am seeing more and more disclaimers on job postings warning about scams - saying they do not charge an application fee or any other type of fee. If your actions make everyone think you are a scammer, you are not conducting business properly.

  • @andyfarquhar3402
    @andyfarquhar3402 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Had an on-site interview invite for a Process Engineer position at a semiconductor fab. The job description mentioned nothing about having to give sales pitches or consulting type presentations. The company asked me to put together a 30 minute power-point presentation for the first part of the interview, which would then be followed by two-one hour panel interviews and lunch on-site with a hiring manager at their cafeteria. I asked if candidates are offered any compensation for putting together these presentation, and was told "It is a part of our interview process and we don’t compensate for interviews". Obviously I declined the interview, due to their lack of respecting a candidates time. I'm fine with hours of behavior based interview questions, but asking me take time out of my day and put effort into a product (basic definition of work) with no compensation, is garbage.

    • @matthewridgeway9250
      @matthewridgeway9250 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It is also an act of stealing intellectual property. Any beneficial tricks will be adopted and stolen without your consent.

    • @whatsonhermindblog123
      @whatsonhermindblog123 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      !!!!!! Yes good on you for recognizing the disrespect

    • @WakkoKakko
      @WakkoKakko 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They'll do anything they can to get you to do billable work for free.

    • @pawelhyzopski6456
      @pawelhyzopski6456 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What if we sign nda with them that they cannot use it? 😅

  • @ankitkalavagunta8951
    @ankitkalavagunta8951 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    This is enlightening Joshua, it's easy for people like us to give all the power to these companies because we fear being judged.

  • @anarchoboof9429
    @anarchoboof9429 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is a prime example of why you don't treat CEOs different than the janitor. Someone keeps agreeing with this guy even when he says stupid shit because he's in a position of power. You should be vehemently honest with these people. It reveals their true colors, while also releveling their sense of self.

  • @crusader2.0_loading89
    @crusader2.0_loading89 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I applied for a job through a recruiting company and was told I didn't get it. A few months later I wound up talking to one of the people who interviewed me. He told me they were told I had decided not to accept the job. Turns out one of the other applicants had a higher education and because of this, the recruiting company were able to negotiate a higher salary and thus commission, so they screwed me over to get that...wow,I wrote this before Josh mentioned it in the video...

  • @almosthelpless9374
    @almosthelpless9374 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Can I pay the deposit in exposure?

    • @pawelhyzopski6456
      @pawelhyzopski6456 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I believe you should reverse charge them minus 5gbp as your exposure is worth more.

  • @seanm2047
    @seanm2047 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I got ghosted by the company I was already working for. It wasn’t even a different department, I even asked the director for feed back via email and he didn’t respond.

  • @jutau
    @jutau 3 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    Can I charge Josh a fee for me spending my time to watch the videos. And if I'm satisfied by Josh, I'll return it?

    • @JoshuaFluke1
      @JoshuaFluke1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Welp

    • @jutau
      @jutau 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@JoshuaFluke1 I was satisfied.

    • @kapjoteh
      @kapjoteh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@JoshuaFluke1 welp is apparently puppy in some language according to google translate

    • @acreativename2781
      @acreativename2781 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kapjoteh It's "Welpe" in german.

    • @Radeo
      @Radeo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kapjoteh it's the cousin of "gulp"

  • @patthetech
    @patthetech 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    I have shotgunned so many applications over the years that I have been in the position of "who are you again?" when setting up the first interview. If you aren't spraying and praying, your chances of getting a call back are slim.
    95% of the ads I reply to have the words "only those selected will be contacted" somewhere in them. The days of the PFO letters from every application are long gone. to quote a great thinker of our time "Ain't no one got time for that!"

    • @IL_Bgentyl
      @IL_Bgentyl 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      From what I’m seeing most applicants aren’t selected. Recruiting managers select a majority of people.

  • @0x007A
    @0x007A 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Employers should advertise a position for two weeks, interview during the third week, and extend an offer of employment by the end of the fourth week. No multiple interviews; one interiew with the hiring manager, not with human resources nor with genitalia-wacking-on-the-table "techncial team bros"

  • @aeow8859
    @aeow8859 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I spent a weekend applying to an internal job at my company. The day after the HR lady sent me an email (no apology) saying they were no longer fillign the role. Not "we found somone else" not " sorry you werent successful" literally " we actually decided we were no longer going to have this job exist".
    I asked if they then had any feedback on my application and she told me they hadn't actually read any of the applications.
    I took a couple of " days off" after that.

  • @blaisetelfer8499
    @blaisetelfer8499 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    If only there was a way to reverse this. If I got $5 every time I was ghosted by an Indian guy who emailed me about an "urgent need" or "job opportunity", I wouldn't even need a job.

    • @WakkoKakko
      @WakkoKakko 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I would make a decent side hustle that way from each Indian recruiter that has ever contacted me about a job that either pays less than $15/hour or required relocation while having requirements that I couldn't meet.

  • @BAIGAMING
    @BAIGAMING 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    4:40 This has happened to me so many times Josh. The worst is when the company has a location 5 minutes away, but they'll only interview me at a location 4 hours away (I tell them this fact clearly and they don't care or they have internal fights and politics between different locations). I woke up at 4AM to get to an interview by 9AM only for a certain company to not even know what interview questions to ask and they only had a 10 minute interview for me. The worst part was when they followed up with me, at first I was happy to get feedback for the first time in my life, but then it turns out they were only being nice because they wanted me to work for a custodian position (I had been applying and interviewing with them for chemical engineering quality assurance roles, then they had the gall to tell me to take a custodian position).

    • @Pulapaws
      @Pulapaws 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would have said sure but pay me like a I was a chem engineer. I worked a job where they did that too and I took the job way above mid wage cleaning houses, lol.

  • @johnshellenberg1383
    @johnshellenberg1383 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    This is illegal in Canada. Thank gawd, and let's hope it stays that way

    • @hellstromcarbunkle8857
      @hellstromcarbunkle8857 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not if you let the Tories (or whatever they are calling themselves today) and their allies back in power

  • @DietrichGarbo
    @DietrichGarbo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I just don’t do LinkedIn. It is the worst of Boomer Facebook. Frankly I would rather be unemployed than deal with these people.

  • @brostoevsky22
    @brostoevsky22 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The worst part about applying for new jobs (in the US at least) is when you apply via Indeed or whatever and then you have to fill out the same information on the company's separate web portal. It's such a waste of time and goes against the point of Indeed, which is convenient as hell.

    • @pawelhyzopski6456
      @pawelhyzopski6456 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I feel indeed is half dead now. Lots of scraped content.

  • @raven4090
    @raven4090 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is an excellent video! It's true that we've learned that any employer asking you for money is a scam. Some of these people are really full of themselves.

  • @45scienceproject
    @45scienceproject 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Well Josh, the listing has been removed so I sent their hiring team a nasty email instead. Keep up the reality checks, my dude. You're killing it.

  • @eduh7950
    @eduh7950 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Best answer I think you can give for "Are you interviewing for other jobs at the moment?" is:
    "Well, I've recently been contacted by headhunters for potential interviews, but your company seemed interesting / different which got me intrigued and here I am."
    Always turn the question back to the interviewer in a way that is respectful but at the same time promotes your worth as a potential employee. Always remember they are looking for people on the same basis you're looking for a new job so no one is really has the upper hand.

  • @Havok577
    @Havok577 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Time to start calling them out on linkedin in front of everyone. Time to get right in their passive aggressive faces.

  • @moisesvillagran8956
    @moisesvillagran8956 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I find your reviews extremely enjoyable. Keep up the good work! We need more honest, real people on the web.

  • @sebastien__l
    @sebastien__l 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think this is a brilliant idea. As a potential job applicant, nothing would save me more time than companies openly broadcasting how stupid they are and save me the energy of engaging with them, or worse, going through the process, get hired, go through onboarding only to THEN find out your managers and/or colleagues are people like this. Love it, awesome time saver.

  • @williamj.dovejr.8613
    @williamj.dovejr.8613 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have a cousin who was really going through it...job rejection after another, he gets a application to one place, they string him along, he tries to pinpoint when he can come in for a interview, they hang up on him. He gets a call from one job he applied for, gets hired but he wasn't done. Late at night he drove to the place that jerked him around...got out with a bag of s***, lit it, and threw it at the door. He's been at the job a year now. I wouldn't have done it, but I understand.

  • @packrat-y7j
    @packrat-y7j 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Story time! It's 2009, I'm living in nyc and trying to find a new job. I am at round 3 of interviews with Time magazine, and literally half way to the office when i get a phone call that the CEO cancelled my interview for that day, and they would call me back to reschedule. Fun fact. They didn't.

  • @sawyer4981
    @sawyer4981 3 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    Just when you think you've seen it all, Josh comes in clutch with more insanity. The level of disconnect between Executives and the rest of the world is unreal.

    • @FairyKit
      @FairyKit 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I got hired for subway when I was 16 and worked a shift. The manager said it was a "trial" shift. After the shift he told me, "you're not a good fit. But here's a check and a free soda." I was actually kind of sad because I thought I finally got a job as a teen. I wanted to work..

    • @CST1992
      @CST1992 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FairyKit How much time later did you actually get a proper job?

    • @FairyKit
      @FairyKit 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CST1992 I was in high school at this time. I could only get a job at the high school I went to as a daycare assistant

    • @CST1992
      @CST1992 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FairyKit Yikes. Anyway, hope you learned some useful skills.

    • @FairyKit
      @FairyKit 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CST1992 yeah it's been a good 12 years since that happened

  • @MegaGlaive
    @MegaGlaive 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    There's another reason this would backfire against the CEO if he charges applicants ... A job offer that requires you to make a down payment is one of the primary red flags of a PYRAMID SCHEME. This will cause a lot of people who are aware of this fact ... to avoid the company.

  • @jamal3298
    @jamal3298 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Petition to charge employers for rejecting me. I could've used that time to do some dogsitting, doordash, etc.

  • @losfromla1480
    @losfromla1480 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I think Lauren told him it was an absurd, stupid idea. He didn't want to hear it from Lauren so he's asking the LinkedIn crowd about it.

  • @pierre-rose7783
    @pierre-rose7783 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The worse part of it is that it's not even the type of job that everyone wants !

  • @AnthonyMcqueen1987
    @AnthonyMcqueen1987 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    There is no way in hell i would pay to apply at some company to get rejected anyway nope best to work for yourself.
    The corporate world is a massive joke that includes their precious CEOs.

  • @patmarek1222
    @patmarek1222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    7:12 that comment "but have you taken leave of your senses?" is so fitting it's wow!
    Those CEOs belong in a madhouse I swear.

  • @foobar1269
    @foobar1269 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I would live to pay $5 to apply for a job. They just have to pay me $50 for travel, $10 for meal, and $100 for not going to another interview, and missing opportunities. If I don't get the job then they will have to refund my $5 and pay me $1,000.00 compensation for emotional damage.

  • @DustinDustin00
    @DustinDustin00 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The number of days I spent interviewing and then being told the position went away -- filled in house, there was a reshuffle, etc. I should have been paid for that day of stress. I had managers that were royally pissed and still wanted to hire me and weren't allowed to. They kept in touch and spent months trying to get positions re-opened for me. Corporations be crazy.

  • @pierre-rose7783
    @pierre-rose7783 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good employees may be hard to find, but finding a good boss is even harder these days !

    • @tachyontee3877
      @tachyontee3877 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Horrible bosses are everywhere. 😅

  • @SuvrathHegde
    @SuvrathHegde 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I used to think that these kind of video are getting boring and repetitive. Then I realize that unlike most of the youtubers, even if your video has same theme, I learn a lot of other stuff, like how the recruiters work. Keep up the good work Joshua.

  • @Kyrylo_Maverick
    @Kyrylo_Maverick 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Why it does sound like an offended 15yo girl who complains about how unfair the world is? :D. So funny tbh.

  • @georginaydenov6470
    @georginaydenov6470 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Haven't even seen it, but I know that it is 🔥

  • @roar6047
    @roar6047 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    One thing about telling them that you are interviewing with other companies: It can actually be a plus! I.e. companies want applicants who are more in demand, plus will work faster to expedite the interview process if they like you (I've had that happen in the past). So it just kind of depends, and I've only had that positive experience with certain tech/startup companies.

  • @vaexperience
    @vaexperience 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Unfortunately these past couple of years in tech have been employer market... too many laid off and unemployed employees to choose from and as such anecdotally the behaviours have been awful towards the candidates.
    On the last point of not sharing that you're interviewing with other places: I always recommend to do the opposite and actually use that in your advantage to expedite the process. You should let the recruiter or hiring manager know that you are speaking with other companies and ask directly to expedite the process as you're interest in their position. The interviewing can take months so any little nudge or haste from the team is favourable to candidates.

  • @ProcrastiNYEtor
    @ProcrastiNYEtor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Looks as though Larry has been rightfully shamed into removing the post from his profile. Keep up the good work, Joshua!

  • @DLviewer2
    @DLviewer2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    A simple solution to this would be to have then recruiter and the applicant pay each other 5 dollars for each other's time.

    • @TikeMyson69
      @TikeMyson69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The taxman wins again

  • @thehousehacker
    @thehousehacker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The only company that asks you to pay to join is a multi level marketing company lol
    I will say that I think Lawrence is annoyed the guy no showed to a scheduled interview, which is a lot different than not getting back to you. I would say its more like if a company scheduled an interview time and when you arrive they tell you that the interview was canceled but that still doesn't justify charging people to apply lol

  • @machetekid07
    @machetekid07 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The kick in the balls is that you’ll never complete the application process cuz they’ll never call you back and they’ll keep your $5

  • @d1zguy864
    @d1zguy864 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    linkedin has become daddy day care for adults

  • @michalyne
    @michalyne 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Charging to apply, that's a great idea!!! However I intend on charging for my time applying, interviewing, background check, drug test, talking to the idiots in your company and since I've run a company I'll be charging ninety bucks and hour, therefore I will have made ninety bucks during the interview alone. Had I thought of that idea I wouldn't need a job. Its astonishing how greedy and out of touch these nitwits are.

  • @lumeronswift
    @lumeronswift 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Imagine only being able to apply for only one job at a time while waiting months at a time to hear back.

  • @briang1747
    @briang1747 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A lot of valid points! Excellent...never really thought about things in those terms.

  • @momorinkyun
    @momorinkyun 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've been ghosted by companies so many times! Of course I could ghost someone else as a result.
    And also, here in Ukraine, an actual scam going with charging people before signing them a test task, lol.

  • @JessicaHicks
    @JessicaHicks 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, I haven't even watched fully, but the CEO sounds out of it. I have to discuss this one, thanks for posting!

  • @botondhetyey159
    @botondhetyey159 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Man, this is a great idea! I should charge 5 euros to every company I'm applying for, and I'll refund them if they don't ghost me.
    Might not even need a job, tbh

  • @Paltheus
    @Paltheus 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think this is one of your best call-outs ever. Good work!

  • @lindafirth1562
    @lindafirth1562 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Josh - taking this idea a bit further..... So the corporate owner might look far more favourably on the candidate who pays him the most to apply for the job, rather than looking for the best qualified candidate. Bribery and corruption spring to mind!

  • @mattneil1449
    @mattneil1449 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are helping a lot of young people wake up and it's a great thing. This corporate bs is for the birds.

  • @rnistuk
    @rnistuk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So I commented, and big tough CEO, Lawrence Broadie, blocked me after posting a snide response to my comment that proved he didn't read it.
    Electrify's customers and employees need to flee. He's not very good at creative marketing or communications.

    • @rnistuk
      @rnistuk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      So I was able to re-edit my comment to respond to to Broadie's snide comment, and suggested he stop digging...
      And he took down the post.

  • @ImaginaryMdA
    @ImaginaryMdA 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes, the real issue in society right now is that people looking for a job have too much money, and companies too little.

  • @maestreiluminati87
    @maestreiluminati87 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I like to make my own little headcanon about CEOs Like these, like how this guy acts so indignant because ever since his "early entrepreneur" days he was treated as the President and everyone around him would lap up to him, so he literally does not know how to react to people treating him like a fellow plebian.

  • @elliotjones3098
    @elliotjones3098 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    that's funny. As a candidate, I've been ghosted a million times by messed up companies. It got where that if they reached out to me for a job ( or through a third party ), then I requested a deposit from them, that would be refunded upon being hired....as a sign of good faith on their part, so MY time wouldn't be wasted. No takers obviously

  • @electroquests
    @electroquests 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    That's so relatable. I've recently started getting messages regarding jobs openings. It's a beginner level job which requires at least 2-3 years of experience. If you won't give jobs to freshers (Those who don't have experience - Just to be clear) how will they get experience?
    By the way, love your videos, thank you very much. You've helped me a lot, please keep up the good work!

  • @TarsonTalon
    @TarsonTalon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Only someone confident that society won't allow vigilantes to hang them on a nearby tree are this arrogant. This is levels of arrogance never seen before in history.

  • @saywhatnow57
    @saywhatnow57 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Doesn't that guy who skipped the interview realize it's going to go in his permanent record?

    • @xlayerscience9966
      @xlayerscience9966 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ?

    • @BdelaCAS
      @BdelaCAS 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      what permanent record? that thing was useless in school, it's useless after

    • @gregt194
      @gregt194 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@BdelaCAS I think he’s joking

    • @saywhatnow57
      @saywhatnow57 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@BdelaCAS I was definitely joking. But I have been told by HR to rewrite a resignation letter in case I ever wanted to come back, because mine wasn't good enough and it would be in my permanent file. This was at a large university. I told them no. Within two months that university was a client of my new company I've now had for 13 years.

    • @BdelaCAS
      @BdelaCAS 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@saywhatnow57 that must be fun, did it ever come back again or talk with the same people?

  • @ssgus3682
    @ssgus3682 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At my current job I had to pay for my fingerprints once I had a conditional officer but the key is I was already offered the job pending background check.

  • @david2358
    @david2358 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    1:50 did the CEO say they give a detailed feedback why someone was declined an offer? Which Planet is this?

    • @JoshuaFluke1
      @JoshuaFluke1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He gonna get sued lol

    • @kpheine
      @kpheine 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Which planet does people sue over a feedback?

    • @matthewperkins1169
      @matthewperkins1169 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Junior Campos in most places you aren’t really allowed to say anything other than dates employed and position. Even going into detail of why someone left, or if they were fired, can get you sued. If someone losses a job offer because of what you said, then they have a case against you. That’s why smart managers don’t give their opinions on past employees lol

    • @kpheine
      @kpheine 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@matthewperkins1169 wow, this is absolutely bonkers but thanks for the info

  • @mattkochanowski6196
    @mattkochanowski6196 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this is exactly how companies and recruiters behaving - they string you along for weeks/months with these 5 or 10 stage recruitment process and out of the sudden they ghost you. But when table turns this becomes a problem...

  • @michaelrulewicz5390
    @michaelrulewicz5390 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is like the World of Warcraft joke that there's a guild application fee.

  • @John-fr9up
    @John-fr9up 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you Josua -- every job seeker needs to hear this. BTW have you been on diary of a CEO? -- you need to be.

  • @Nogardtist
    @Nogardtist 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    pay to apply
    totally not a scam

  • @Voorhees-Jason
    @Voorhees-Jason 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The place I work for was like my 4th interview in the same week. They were the first ones to make an offer and I had other interviews lined up to. They made me an offer I could not refuse. They knew my time was valuable, they did not try to haggle very much. They gave me an offer that was above market value for my role. Here it is almost 3 years later and I am happier then I ever been with any job.

  • @veaccara
    @veaccara 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Preaching the gospel of truth, amen brother

  • @Thenobelfan
    @Thenobelfan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Joshua , love your videos , this may actually not be such a bad idea .. for a completely different reason , when people are applying for an important role , many people who are not qualified apply for roles . This means some good resumes get dumped in alot amongst a lot of irrelevant CVs. That way people will apply for roles relevant roles and not flood companies with irrelevant CVs.

    • @JoshuaFluke1
      @JoshuaFluke1  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Automated systems

    • @Thenobelfan
      @Thenobelfan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JoshuaFluke1 yes, but they don’t always filter out those CVs and some very relevant CVs do not get included . All I am saying is there needs to be a strong system to discourage people from randomly applying to the detriment of relevant seekers . Keep up the great work Joshua .

  • @businesscat4435
    @businesscat4435 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Recruiters make around 200 bucks an hour when the worker only gets 25 an hour, which is why consulting agencies are so aggressive. They make hand over fist from their workers and it's sick.

    • @Seattle-2017
      @Seattle-2017 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Are you serious - $200 an hour? Don't they get paid on commission?

    • @cpK054L
      @cpK054L 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dafuq kind of overpriced firm are you working for?
      My last firm made 65 per hour while I made 45 plus a small perk
      I'm sure the company before that was making 70 while I was making 35 per hour.
      200 per hour better be a super niche skillset.

  • @modifiedjaymill
    @modifiedjaymill 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    CEO needs to be fired for stupidity

  • @fluoroproilne
    @fluoroproilne 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Every application to a job increases the pool of candidates to choose from. This is why, any additional applicant increases the quality of the final person hired to the position. Applicants should get paid for their time and efforts put in preparation to interviews, because them applying ultimately benefits the company. Pay me for my interview and I'll turn up, what's the problem?

  • @lysabelle3990
    @lysabelle3990 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The amount of times that I have applied and gotten an auto response that my application was received and then never heard back from the company saying the job was even filled is ridiculous. I have applied to positions and not gotten a call and taken it upon myself to contact them about the status of my application, only to be told that they aren't hiring and that they just keep postings up just incase. As an applicant or employee your time or needs are just not valued today, a lot of companies just want what they can get out of you with a complete disregard to any hardships that they are putting on you. However when you give them the same energy and do your job but have no loyalty to that organization, you see all these negative news stories.

  • @biffmercury
    @biffmercury 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    There was a pretty big name visual effects company owner, who got so tired of being called to meetings with film studios that didn’t result in more work for his visual effects company, that he started charging to go to meetings.

    • @biffmercury
      @biffmercury 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Solve Everything Amen!

  • @GreyFox250
    @GreyFox250 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for doing what you do Josh! I am surprised and also not surprised at the nonsense you bring to the light. Employers are definitely unhinged. Keep up the good work!

  • @philcooper9225
    @philcooper9225 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Nobody in their right mind is going to be respectable and respectful? Lolwut

    • @JoshuaFluke1
      @JoshuaFluke1  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can do that by saying 'I have a new job'. Perfectly respectable. Especially if it's a random response months after you apply.

    • @philcooper9225
      @philcooper9225 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@JoshuaFluke1 lolwut?
      Not what I asked

    • @philcooper9225
      @philcooper9225 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JoshuaFluke1 Alright dude well I hope you are able to heal your narcissitic abuse syndrome and can be less weird and defensive in the future! You can heal from your abuse!!