I devoted myself to my company 100% , my managers called me the king of above and beyond. Then a few months ago, I was verbally attacked by a supervisor who confused me for someone else. I was humiliated infron of multiple people. Once things cold off, I wanted an apology. My manager scolded me for ordering them around and demanding an apology. I then out of anger said " i deserve a raise for this" my manager got angry and said "its nice you think that but there are no raises for people who are just bearly meeting expectations" . Since then I stopped going above and beyond, no more of hours call, and no more staying late. After all I'm just "bearly meeting expectations". A few weeks ago my managers called me a "quit quitter". I had no idea what that was, looked it up, found your channel. I am a PROUD QUIT QUITTER :3
It's shame that you had to experience that. I really hope you you are looking for a new job, it might take months but I guess anything would be better than working in that toxic environment
You are not quite quiting just doing your job as stated just because you are not doing extra doesn't mean you're quite quiting just working as your job required
Maybe you do your job so well the managers feel you are a threat to them. Quietly look for a better job elsewhere, better to be prepared. It’s good to stay in practice at looking for jobs.
I know someone who has worked for the same company for almost 40 years. Manufacturing. Often pulling 60-80 hour work weeks. He came down with an aggressive form of cancer and his company is not allowing him to take time off. That's what loyalty buys you.
And I think many of the older generations learned these harsh lessons when they are ill, burnt out, let go, and lose tons of years with their families thT weren't rewarded. These companies see you as a number to make them more profits and aren't loyal.
@@anitaknight3915 whats sad is every year another large set of naive young people come into the workforce giving away the majority of their life after being tricked, preyed upon, and brainwashed by older people in higher positions to use them and throw the discarded remains when no longer useful
I had two coworkers tried to get my ass fired because they’re blindly loyal to our former company. Company got shut down recently and all of us lost our jobs except for our finer boss those two loyally cock sucked. Sad thing is those two guys USED to be my friends. Not only they’re unemployed but they also lost a good friend.
@@artimus7525 they were never your friends. You only know your true friends when situations get tough. Till such a situation they are just acquaintances.
@@gamergodofjustice I am so angry at every employer that does unpaid overtime. Because it normalises it. Fuck everyone that does unpaid overtime and bosses that expect it
If quiet quitting causes strain on your team, it means you have allowed yourself to be taken advantage of for so long that your team is under staffed as a result of people doing more than what they were hired for.
YOUNG folks these trends against workers by governments and corporations will only worsen and just getting started. do NOT get pregnant, get tubal ligation for both the guy and girl and even more importantly use daily birth control pills and Morning After pill once each time after sexual activity and use a condom. Children will be born into absolute poverty as we enter the Greatest Depression starting these next few years which will last a very long time and be 10 times as severe as in Japan and Greece.
Quiet firing is when employer doesn't promote or give you a raise ever. It would be fun when both quiet quitting and quiet firing meet - match made in heaven.
Or when you're a part-timer or seasonal employee and all of a sudden, you're getting less hours compared to a bunch of new hires. I can't feed myself at 4 hours every 2 weeks.
I'm old enough to remember when the motto was "an honest day's work for an honest day's pay." You were loyal to the company and the company was loyal to you. (Yes, I'm ancient!) Every job was expected to pay a living wage. Sure, the janitor was driving a basic car and living in a small house while the execs had Cadillacs and large houses, but there wasn't this "How dare you expect to have a decent life without 3 PhDs or job skills known by only .000001% of the population?!?" crap that plagues the business community today. Why shouldn't a Walmart worker make enough to live on? Why should they need government assistance to afford mac and cheese and an apartment with 5 roommates? All that does is make us tax payers subsidize the Walmart family and allow them to sock a few more billion away into their pockets each year. It's simply not possible for everyone to work high skill jobs. 1 - not everyone has the capacity or opportunity to learn. 2 - there aren't enough high skill jobs to employ everyone. Heck, janitors, who keep areas clean and safe, are arguably better for society than many paper pushers. Companies have been eliminating jobs for decades and making their employees work 2-3 jobs without 2-3 times the pay. Yes, there are times to go above and beyond, but it's not sustainable in the long run. It's not healthy for workers nor for the economy. We can't continue to have executives pocket more and more of the profits (while using loopholes to avoid taxes) while the rest of us either work too many hours and subsidize those who can't find jobs because we're working their job as well as our own, or are unemployed because companies won't properly staff up, preferring to treat people like lightbulbs - wait until they burn out then toss them out.
This is real. They owners and bosses made maybe 20x the rest of us. Now they make over 300x more than the average paid-not the lowest paid employee. And the janitors don’t work for them-all that labor is outsourced and pays even less than ever.
I'm a Housekeeper, so close to a Janitor. I once kept my workplace free on Covid and kept it open. I was told I was amazing for a month, but they still effed me over.
Thats how I always see it as work life balance and don't going above your pay grade job description if you won't be rewarded or compensated for it. These companies are taking gross advantage. People don't want to go above and beyond working harder for someone to make them rich and you burnt out with zero raise or promotion.
Work-Life balance is important. I recently scaled back by security 🚔 hours by choice to reduce the stress, BS 🦬, conflicts. I'm also currently transferring into a higher paying DHS contract post. I'd like to make more $$$ BUT I don't need conflict, stress.
Funny enough I've never had a raise unless I switched to a better pay job. Been quiet quitting even before I knew what it was. Also been red pilled before i knew what that was. Gotta stand up for yourself in all bouts of life. No one else will.
@@Roescoe it was done to boomers, boomers did it to your generation, your generation will do it to subsequent generations. Your generation is no different, including the notion that your generation is different and more enlightened. Every generation thinks that. Me, I’m Gen X, we are no different either. So maybe, just maybe, all the generations should find commonality and find the real culprits. These culprits are not designated by age, or colour, or language, or sex, but by those who truly live as parasites behind the scenes. They are the ones who get us fighting each other. It’s their only trick. They have been here for thousands of years. Good luck and peace be with you.
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I've been an IT Professional for 20+ years at this point. EVERY corporation I have EVER worked for, rewarded working above and beyond with nothing but more work and being pigeon holed into the position you are in, being denied promotion and raises because you have made your self too valuable right where you are at. Promotions are rarely more than a popularity contest. ONLY go above and beyond when absolutely necessary, otherwise keep your head down, nose to the grindstone and do ONLY your job, nothing more, nothing less.
@@Kvs1920 "Here's a project I need done by end of day. It will take a week? Well that's not acceptable, even though I've known about it for a month and you could have easily met the deadline if I told you back then. Now drop everything and get this done, but don't drop the 10 other things that are due today or we'll look bad."
From my experience with corporations they are happy to pay someone who shows up on time and does nothing, and quick to fire some one who shows up a couple minutes late and does most the work
Yeah they're awful at paying attention to who actually does what. They only pay attention to surface level things that don't show anything. You don't do the song and dance of "work parties" because you had actually important things to do? Fired.
yeah noticed that as well. especially in the beginning of my career, i was always overperforming, taking initiative etc. Barely got praise for the success but got called someone with 'variable' output because i couldn't keep that up all the time. In comparision co-workers were working max 2 hours a day becauses management had no clue of actual workload.
So, this is me, always has been. Except im not late. I just show up and do everything. Ive come to realize its not that their unaware, they fear hard workers because their lazy. And because their lazy anyone who outpaces them is seen as a threat rather than an asset. Ive been thru like 12 companies. Corporate and family. Corporate bosses are incompetent and they fear you replacing them and when its family companies that do want good workers then co workers fear you and try ti make you a bad guy to maintain favorite status. This is why i just started my own company. Everywhere i go people just get intimidated by my work history and act weak.
I have 2 friends who are extremely hard workers making 115k a year at a STEM Job and they were let go after giving 11 years and 13 years to a company due to profits. I SUPPORT QUIET QUITTING!
I support quitting all together, and just living off the land off grid, but the government ( corporate puppets to keep us enslaved) has made LAWS against this kind of living so they can keep their power over us.
@@joem9528 that’s just not true bro what are you talking about, like less than 20 percent of the USA make that money. You get a spouse with anything about 60k your doing better than most people on EARTH. The much out of touch comment I’ve ever heard.
Going above and beyond will only get you a heavier workload. It happened to my teammate Jeff. Jeff was smart, helpful, and went above and beyond. They piled so much on him that he quit a year later. He was one of the best people we had. I hope he is doing well.
@@Zebulization not only did they notice him, I got the Random, "tell us how you feel about this comment" survey for that comment as well. Interesting bot detection algorithm.
If I'm expected to go above and beyond, then so should my pay. If I were to call a subscription service and request the premium service for the same price as the basic service, I would be laughed at. Yet, employers regularly do the same thing with their employees and that's normal? These greedy boomers always go silent when you tell them that fair exchanges are how capitalism works, which is just so ironic, because they like to call us communists just for wanting a livable wage, yet here we are educating them on how capitalism works...
Yeah I was a Jeff thought I make a name for myself self by helping as much as I can, but when I couldn't because my own workload increased people would think I was being lazy. Eventually I stopped helping souch cause why for ungrateful coworkers. Then management would try to gaslight me into doing the work of lazy employees. Never again life too short to be taken advantage of.
My response to 'this is fallacy': my friend got a job in finance. She's a master of Excel and excellent with numbers. She had straighten out lots of previous people f* ups and saved a lot of money as well also outside of her scope. She didn't put herself out there. Not only she didn't get promotion (someone else did) but at EOY summary she got rating 2 out of 6, (which is bad). The higher rating the better bonus. When she asked "why?", received a reply that "she must be more visible". Corporate world is a joke.
I feel like there's so much promoting out there on the sheer basis that someone's personality is more charismatic than another person's personality. In the case of your friend, of course she isn't as visible as a salesperson--her talent is crunching numbers! Not bragging about it or talking people up..!
There is a huge difference between quiet quitting and being lazy. I am a nurse that quiet quit in about 1980. I am still working at 67 and I have enjoyed my career of quiet quitting. I just enjoy my patients and my coworkers. I love your channel, thank you.
The people against “quiet quitting” are just the people who want to hold you back. They are the people who fight against others getting a raise. They are the same ones who reward themselves and complain when they didn’t their recognition. Just take care of yourself. Because no one else will…..
What you just said matches the stereotype of someone who looks like you do. You are some goofy dumb young person who lacks the ability to say anything original because you are that unintelligent. Everything is not a debate, you or anyone else replying with a comment attempting to rebut what I just said is irrelevant. Delusion based on people saying incorrect things then either getting the response they wanted due to intimidation or support from others has ruined conversation online.
They sound exactly like the people whose job the quiet quitters would be doing. Whenever anyone makes a move towards healthy boundaries, people who are used to taking advantage of others are really quick to show themselves though this type of unsubstantiated whining.
I prefer to name it: - act your wage - optimise your income - balanced contribution - Return on Job - ROJ In the end, don’t waste your time making someone else rich, only if they make you rich in the process.
I agree. Quiet quitting is for the most part a meaningless term. There is no quitting involved, you still work there. In fact, most of the time it means you're doing 100% of your job and nothing else. You do what you gotta do. Act your wage sounds like a catchy name for it.
Wanna work with someone that you get rich together because they don't earn much more than you do? I'm afraid you're not gonna like the answer, which is sad since it's really the only one at the point we are as a species...
We called quiet quitting “work-life balance” in the 90’s & 2000’s. Nothing new and I was lucky enough to have managers promoting this and encouraging their employees to use their time off.
When I first heard of "quiet quitting" my first thought was about people who just quit their job on the spot: either not showing up or never coming back from lunch. I can agree that the name doesn't reflect "act your wage and do your job description"
even quitting your job on the spot i see no problem with, these companies will fire you with 0 notice so why should you give them notice unless it personally benefits you.
Same. I was like "Quiet quitting? Sounds rude, why would they quit without saying anything..." then when I heard what it actually refers to I'm like "wait, isn't that how everyone should act always at every job?"
It paints a very negatively on the workers. Now, i know this is absolutely shocking, but i am going to ask you - who can benefit AND afford from such image. The employees. Or the employers. The fact that someone is even considering this means the money talks and talks very very efficiently.
I am 54 and it drives me crazy when people my age or older think anybody should go above and beyond without compensation. It has been my experience that the people that are liked or good friends of the boss make the most money….. period. It has nothing to do with experience or work ethic. It took me a long time to come to grips with that fact, but I made the necessary adjustment to just do my job or move to different jobs. You won’t be missed at any of those jobs.
Right, I and most of the people at the factory I work at makes 14.00 per hour, but for the summer, we found out that the upper management and owners college breaking kids come in there to screw off for party money for their spring and summer break and get 18.00 per hour, How's that for disrespecting your employees who are not there to get party money, but rather pay their bills.
Next time my landlord raises my rent suddenly, I'm going to tell him "You need to learn to not demand instant gratification in life." and see how that works out.
I think the baby boomers as the worst polluting (and thus making human extinction almost certain in a few hundred years if not sooner) and one of the if not the greediest generations that has ever lived to go above and beyond for humanity and terminate their existence so they can become fertilizer and help minimize the global damage they have done.
t's okay to pick up the slack of other people IF you actually have a choice of accepting/rejecting their job aka not being forced to do it and IF you are going to be adequately compensated for it.
In college, a teacher of mine gave me a worst grade compared to my peer, on an assessment we had to complete. Later i talked to him, and shown him evidence that i worked harder (git commits) and he told me bluntly "You see, this might serve you as a lesson, when you hit the market, it doesn't matter how much you work, if you don't "sell" how hard you work, and sometimes it will matter most how much people perceive how hard you work, not how much real effort you put into it". Gotta remind myself of that.
I heard about "quiet quitting" long after becoming self employed. Quiet quitting is what enabled me to build my way out of working for incompetent managers.
My last two jobs provided management with bonuses for keeping labor costs down. That is one thing I have tried to find out about before going to an interview, and even asking at the interview. That practice essentially eliminates the possibility of any raise based on merit, or any other factor for that matter. Also, if they describe It as "one big family, " run like hell.
If you consistently "go above an beyond", your consistency will become the norm for your boss. This will make life harder both for you and your colleagues. At the same time, it is unlikely that you will get any sort of raise or promotion or anything except a pat on the back. Don't go above an beyond.
This is true, although I can only speak from a retail perspective. There is always someone at my work who goes above and beyond and always talking about how they're going to get bigger numbers. Well, those people always get more and more and more work dropped on them. They get hassled all the time by upper management to get specific things done. They're also the ones who end up doing the jobs of ten people. And every single time, they end up burnt out and either quit, or get replaced due to being unable to keep up. All the regular workers who just do their work and stay quiet end up sticking around for a long time if they want to. Edit: I forgot to add, they never get raises for going above and beyond. A great example would be my current manager. He was recently asked to temporarily manage two departments at the same time. Well after a few weeks, they decided he's just going to manage two departments, with ZERO pay increase, and zero extra benefits or vacation time.
I agree that you need to let management know when your going above and beyond is not sustainable in order to protect yourself and others. If you are constantly putting in more than you can consistently do then they will be in for a sorry surprise when the next emergency comes in and no one can do it because they have been going above and beyond for too long...
Sometimes they don't even give u a pat on the back. Sometimes they only focus you if you went home early or if ur numbers barely didn't hit what they usually do
My husband in a retail job got management training with the promise of moving up and then never got the raise or promotion but was expected to do management things. Pretty sure that's the company taking advantage of him not the other way around. He found a new job and changed companies.
See now that’s what you do. This “quiet quitting” trend is just nonsense. You really want to move up in a company you show you’re capable, actually live up to your talk, and stand up for yourself if management tries to take advantage. If they don’t want to pay or promote based on what you actually do, then you let them find out just what all you were doing for them by going somewhere else and leaving them in the lurch.
@@endorbr yes, it again like he said in the video, while you look for other jobs, you quiet quit, just go the bare minimum that your job title is! Not do management crap that they give you to do that you aren't getting paid to do!
This is exactly why Job hopping is becoming so popular. I was with a company for a year and saw enough from the long term employees to know they were getting strung along. If you weren’t one of the MDs you weren’t satisfied with your pay, ever. This was enough ammunition for me to pull the trigger on that job and move on with a nearly 50 percent gross pay increase. I truly feel bad for those employees who go above and beyond and never get the treatment and rewards for their hard work that they deserve because of their more “agreeable nature”
This reminds me of an experiment I conducted at work about 10 years ago. I’ve worked many different jobs and I’ve always been an incredibly hard worker. I regularly took on jobs which normally required multiple people to complete, and did them more efficiently by myself. But it’s always been a bit of an uphill battle getting promotions and I’ve wondered at times whether I was making myself too valuable to promote. I decided to put this theory to the test when I got a job at Walmart after moving to a new area. I started in a low level inventory position, and while I was fast at stocking freight I regularly did the bare minimum. I’d show up, get my telzons and my audits for the day, then find somewhere out of the way to in the storeroom to sleep and play on my phone. I’d do a few audits real quick and then walk around and gladhand with other associates and department heads. Technically speaking I did my “job” but I only put in maybe 2 hours of real, actual work in an 8 hour shift. The result? Inside of 2 months they made me the grocery department manager. I then proceeded to work my butt off I’m that job, staying late and accomplishing as much as I physically could every single shift. The result of that? I got crapped on by my superiors, constantly told there was so much more I should be doing. The conclusion I reached was that there really isn’t an unbreakable connection between a persons upward trajectory in a given career path and the effort they put in or even how much they accomplish; it all comes down to how you’re perceived.
Walmart is just like that! I worked at the Walmart home office and same thing happened to me. I outperformed my team I was in and I arrived late ONE time and I was under a microscope for 6 months after that. It didn't matter how good of a job I did, ANY little thing wrong that I did they were on me and asking about it. They didn't care if I was outperforming the rest of the team! I started doing the bare minimum, quiet quitting, and then roughly a month later I put in my two week notice!
I think a lot of people underestimate the power of "too valuable to promote". If you always go above and beyond, not only you might find yourself in a situation where you don't get promoted, while the management hires/promotes someone from their family, you might also be too good at your current position to be promoted. After all, where are they going to find another hard working nice guy that always goes above and beyond? They promote you, and the next guy just does his job and maybe sometimes goes that extra mile... if he ever feels like it. They'll keep you down and only think of the consequences when you quit.
Happened to me, asked for a sharp raise in line with the work done, they say no, I walk away, a year later the project closed... I was surprised it collapsed that quick
As per your contractual obligation via employment contract lol. It's like these people forget that a contract is a legal agreement. "I will perform this job description for this pay".
I've been "quiet quitting" for a while and still testing the waters where it takes me. It doesn't mean I am lazy, mind you. But I basically get paid from 9 to 5 and that's when I stop working. Back in the day I would sometimes still pump out 1 or 2 extra hours each day. The thing is, nobody ever thanked me for it. My boss didn't even register how hard I worked, because he went home before me. So he didn't even see I was working my ass off, just that the work somehow got completed. So I changed tactics: I work less - in the sense that I don't work unpaid extra hours. And I complain more how hard the work is, that it's not doable in the allotted time etc. So far, seems to work, the company is looking for additional help. Also, in my "free" time I haven't been idle, but I started working on myself and my career. I now use the 2 extra hours I freed up each night to get some learning done, and I already have one additional Linux engineering certification under my belt. That didn't (yet) pay out, but I am pretty sure it will help me when I decide to go for another position or renegotiate my salary when the time comes.
"Quiet quitting" would be looked at differently if everyone doing it, would state that they are using their freed-up time to better themselves and their skills. From what I have seen, the ones posting videos don't really ever talk about improving themselves. But that is the thing, people think doing or learning new things at work is only for the betterment of the company, no you are bettering your real-life work experience, to make you look better for a better job at "hopefully" a better company. Also, can't be mad at your boss for leaving early or at a specific time, when or if you ever take his spot you would have the chance to do the same. That is a perk of bettering yourself for you and even for the company.
@@user-qr4ey3xv4j Nah I am not mad at my boss for that, I just wanted to illustrate that I trapped myself in a toxic mindset. I wanted to prove myself, was motivated and thought that the extra hours would later on pay dividends. But that was a false perception because the extra effort didn't even register with the higher ups. At least for me, it was a whole package of different factors: I was new, I wanted to prove myself, and I was really on board with the company's mission. And, of course, my employers didn't complain about the extra hours. I was never forced, mind you. My boss also always said to just get the work done, he doesn't care if I fuck around 90% of the time as long as the work gets done. Sounds good, doesn't work if the workload is high enough. So overtime was not enforced, but encouraged. All of that combined led to a mindset that made me believe I was not working hard enough, that I had obligations to the company and colleagues and so on. Took me time and growing up to realize that.
Smart man. Did something similar at the job I just quit. Studied and passed my Professional Engineering exam which will have a payout when I get my license next year. Company wasn't allowing me to work on what I initially interviewed for and what I repeatedly requested. They kept telling me I had to get better at the menial, endless tasks that they forced upon me and even said that it is my job description now. Yea fuck no. Studied and passed the test and immediately started looking elsewhere. Start my new job on Monday and I'm taking all of my experiences and the advice from this community with me to all future jobs going forward. They will literally use you for all you're worth and then act like you're not performing to standard. I was literally doing the job of multiple people. They fired the guy who was helping me because they didn't like him. The Texas Unemployment Workforce Commission even scolded our HR department and my manager for firing him because he had over 20 years of experience with NO incidents or write-ups until we fell under the new manager. 5 months later he is methodically getting fired after being intentionally set up to fail by giving him assignments he didn't know how to do with quick deadlines and not offering any assistance. The shit manager even told me "don't help him out when he asks for help". Fucking evil. I'm running the SECOND I notice toxicity like this in the future. (In case any were wondering, I definitely helped out my partner. We were in the ringer together and let each other know when the manager was slandering the other.)
I prefer Act your Wage over quiet quitting. Many years ago I went above and beyond at a job, shifted a ton of work out of our backlog, and broke a metric record for most work done in one day. Brought it up in a 1:1 with the Team lead a few days later and got a blank look- not so much as a 'Good job' for the effort. Suffered a nasty tendonitis flare up for all the time spent at the computer too. Never bothered to work that hard ever again. Instead, its easy enough to stay in the top half or top third of performers. And job jumping is a guarantee of a pay raise, whereas staying in a company is not.
I did something that saved my company thousands of dollars a month. When management was patting me on the back, I asked if it would be reflected in my paycheck. They laughed. I never did anything extra again. They aren't around anymore.
Funny, i did the same thing, saving a costly mistake and probably an entire contract with a big company... never got a raise, so i stop caring... They close business 3 months later...
@@jessikapiche6097 They keep telling us that capitalism is super efficient, but I think that's one more talking point that does better in theory than in practice. Companies rarely do what's in their financial best interests. There's too many other personal and factional motivations mixed in. A rational actor would make sure you had every reason to keep looking out for the company, and a pay raise is the easiest form for that to take. But nah...
A person I know caused an $18,000 loss for a company but still got paid at the end of the week, so it happens both ways, anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything
I stopped "overinvesting" in my job when I saw several coworkers not being recognized for their extra work. Now I have no regrets or expectations from my employer and saved myself from disappointment.
Exactly, because an investment without a return is a bad investment. (And i do consider eternal return, but i don't use that to excuse earthly greed and dishonorable actions)
"Quiet quitting" is my favorite meme. The haters don't realize that the DEFINITION of "quiet quitting" according to the CEOs and upper management interviews you posted, is JUST DOING THE JOB and not answering emails after hours when you're an hourly employee. That's why it's just so delicious. Everyone that's mad thinks it's about being lazy. Nope. These managers are complaining about not being able to steal employees' time.
Great Video. And for those that don't believe nepotism exists.... It took our Director of IT 10 years of hard work, working weekends, extra late hours and 6 promotions to get Director in our US Office. Meanwhile our CEO hired his daughter straight out of college. She made Director in 18 months and gets to work in the London Office - paid relocation. Nepotism at it's finest.
sweet, does the CEO own the company as well? Guess her daughter will be next in line to be the CEO thereafter. Or if the company got bankrupt, he gets to work as a CEO instead for another company.
Yeah, I've seen that happen over and over again. Even when you are an employee (which I am) you should always be loyal to yourself, not to the company.
I am discouraged worker exactly because of this plague afflicting corporate jobs. I am pretty good at what I am doing, but the managers keep me as contractor so they get a cut of my billing from the vendor while their friends and relatives are made FT with full benefits. Unfair world and I dont want to bust my rear knowing that I will not be rewarded....
@@natejenkins2647 now is NOT the time to start a family. A global economic collapse is starting so please do NOT get any girl pregnant, use protection and give her birth control. You need very good constant steady income for several years before planning a family. Wait till at least 35-40 years old before considering marriage and family. Young people dont understand yet the full hard times coming
"Work your wage" I like that better than "quiet quitting" for what I'm witnessing. When you realize you are actually overqualified and being blocked from reaching your potential and growing, time to relax and start applying for jobs that can meet you where you are, or where you want to be. It's not lazy, it's working hard setting goals and boundaries!
They deserve to lose talent they don't invest in. It's like they're just collecting pawns and tools and have them rot in a shelf somewhere, without maintenance.
You teach people how to treat you and those people learn very quickly. For example: are you the employee who comes in early, stays late, covers for your teammates, gives up your weekends, runs around like a crazy person? Well, your fellow teammates have observed this and will let you pick up all the slack while they coast. You know who else notices? Your manager. They will now assign you more widgets because you're the only one worrying yourself sick about getting them done. If you think for one minute that you should keep giving your soul to the company you work for, hoping that one day they will approach you and say " My gosh, we are so very sorry we have let you kill yourself working so hard for us without being fairly rewarded, here is a raise, bonus and retroactive pay", if you're thinking that will happen, get your head examined quickly.
People always say to work hard and be noticed to be rewarded. But if you are noticed, it's not in a good way. They notice they can take advantage of you.
I think another nuanced problem as well is that some people never ask for a raise. You need to push a little to get what you want. If even after explaining to management why you deserve more, and you don't get it: time to quiet quit.
I disagree. You give 100% while you're there, meaning you handle 100% of your duties, then you leave for home and home it is, not a "remote office". The term was poorly chosen. You're doing 100% of your job, given a 40 hour work week. Don't take work home, don't stay late. Not 38 hours, not 44 hours. And home is home. That's still 100% of your job.
@@bigalbbq8483 my job wants me to come to work on time. I'm a tow truck driver who work 12hr shifts 5 days a week and 2 nights out the week I'm on call. Meaning I don't go home at night and work my full 12hr shift the following day. I only get paid commission only so there's a lot of hours where I'm sitting around not doing anything.. not getting paid but I'm obligated to be there. I recently had a meeting with my boss and manager. I told them, "my time is important to you and it's even more important to me. If I'm going to be sitting around for hours not making any money throughout the day I'm just going to decide to take an hour or a half at the beginning of the day to myself". My schedule is 10am - 10pm. I have no personal life many businesses don't open until 9am and are closed by the time I get off. I have literally 1 day to conduct all personal business as I'm off on Sunday and Monday
@@bigalbbq8483 yea what i mean is 75% of your max effort. Enough to get your work done,on time, and with good quality, maybe get a head start on other things but DEF none of this go above and beyond every day for every task when they sure as shit dont pay you that kind of wage
"Don't expect to get everything handed to you" is exactly what you should tell companies who expect their employees to go above and beyond all the time with no reward
Two weeks notice in the USA across all 50 states and territories is a mere social courtesy. Not a legal requirement. It's like tipping, not actually legally required. Ironically though about tipping, despite the low "tipped wage" it is ALWAYS the employers responsiblity to "make up" any lost difference between that and 7.25 an hour so it works out to at minimum 7.25 an hour. In practice though most tipped employees make more than 7.25 an hour from tips.
A better example of quiet quitting in retail was what i did. I never ignored a customer and always went above and beyond to help. But my job was also to clean the entire store by myself. At first, i went above and beyond every night when no-one else did. But as the responsibilities started piling on, i dropped them. I started working at a chill pace like everyone else. Funnily enough, i was bad at quiet quiting. At my fastest, i worked at the speed of 2+ people. At my slowest, i was still more productive than anyone else in the store.
Let me give my example of how i quiet quit. When i was working at circle k back in 2019, i was literally the best worker there. I did everything a good night shift did, while also doing the work of other employees (because night shift takes blame if something isnt done). So when the other night shift quit, i was the only one doing night shift and was working 6 days a week. The problem came if someone tried to call out. If someone calls out, you are responsible for calling all your coworkers to see if they can take the shift and i would 7/10 take their shifts. After a year of this crap, and not one single raise because i didnt interact with my boss at all. I stopped taking extra shifts, i stopped doing other workers work like cleaning bathrooms, and i stopped stocking the cooler even though those weren’t my jobs. I stuck to MY job description because i was going above and beyond and come to find out i was the lowest paid employee there even with night differential. Because i never interacted with my boss and my coworkers did. My coworker who worked there 3 months less got promoted to shift lead and made $3 more than me.
Common night shift dilemma, blame the person you never see. When you are busy and have to deal with everything the day shift didn't do. Also had the pleasure of having a spy sent to my shift. My night shift crew was highly trained as I can't hold their hand, but also made it clear what my aspections were what needed to get done. Got done early cool, idc chill on your phone, just don't do it on camera.
I feel like half these people are just mad that they didn’t have the self awareness to recognize that they were being taken advantage of when we do. Oh well
I agree. They're bitter criticizing people as lazy when it's really we work smarter not harder if we won't be rewarded or paid more for it. We learned we're taken advantage of and continuing to make these corporations rich while we burn out. The older generation learned that loyalty and hard work didn't pay off.
Loyalty exists but it isn't obtained through hard work or in fact work of any kind at all. Loyalty can be found when people get tested: you have a problem and you can't respect your job's parameters for a limited time. Managers that understand and disregard usual requirements for the sake of "being people" can expect some amount of loyalty. Those that punish should not. The more trust is built between two individuals the more loyalty can be obtained. Even if such a loyal manager were to be given orders to fire you, they would still do their best to speak on your behalf, give you a heads-up and give you excellent referrals and any benefits they can upon exit. Such people are as rare as rubies.
Also these idiots don't seem to realize going above and beyond makes you are a target. I've had so many managers target me for going above and beyond because they see me as a threat I actually think it's a detriment to most people's careers. It's happened in fact for almost every job because a lot of these managers are screw ups ( one forgot to lock the store up at night and began making false allegations against me after he noticed the owner praising my work ). Another job as a bookkeeper i was targeted by a co-worker who went so far as to physically alter my files. I've seen it happen to countless others as well. People who go the extra mile are the number one target for sycophantic, incompetent managers and it's almost impossible to prove.
I'd like to add to that the fact that if you work hard, then the manager won't need that many employees thus his pay/bonus will decrease. The more employees he has the better for him. That's why at some Companies they don't implement things that would speed up/decrease the workload. Plus the other employees will hate your for making them look bad and thus possibly giving them more work as well.
I agree with Joshua 100%. I was also first deluded, when I joined KPMG as an auditor, thinking hard work, grinding, staying late and performing at maximum would get me ahead. I was completely and utterly wrong. Some idiots I worked with would never work hard, they would just do the bare minimum and leave work after 8 hours, they got easily promoted whereas I didn't. Turns out their managers liked them more, they were buddy-buddy and hung out often during after work drinks having 'fun'. Moreover they had easier clients as well. I had complex clients, demanding and when things became difficult, the racist manager I was working for never took any accountability, this ego centric prick simply blamed it on the associates doing the field work in his report to the director. No honest communication, no real support, no mutual encouragement and development. This was such a fake, toxic environment. It's eat or be eaten. Long story short, there are others who were in my position too. I now regret wasting my time for that company. Instead I should have worked on myself, learnt maybe new skills and tried to start my own ventures online, or something. There is no way I will ever be financially independent by slaving away for another company, hoping they will acknowledge my existence. It feels so undignified.
Josh, I respect you because you're down to earth. You understand how things work in the real world for most people. I work as a laborer. When they had an opening in the payroll department, I have an education in accounting, I applied for the position. Not only did I not get called for an interview, they hired someone externally. They were suppose to hire internally first. So my devotion as a laborer. until my chance came to climb the ladder, didn't mean a thing to them. So now I just do my job, nothing more or less. I don't like that mentality; however, they let me know that there is no climbing the ladder for me. I don't take it personally. My labor is just a transaction. Nothing more, nothing less.
That makes me angry 😠 . I had that happen to me once when I wanted to move from an admin position to IT and I was told that it would be “too large” of a pay raise. So you can hire someone else from outside who doesn’t know the company systems but you can’t give a good employee a promotion? F- you!
If they saw that you're very good in your current position, they would be stupid to put you in a different position where you might not be that good. Plus it might be harder to find someone to replace you than to find someone in the payroll department.
@@adjcsee4476 that did cross my mind, about the pay. Right now there are massive labor shortages in my area and we're losing employees left and right. I never planned on staying with this company, even though I have spent 13 years there so far. If I had been able to work myself up the ladder I may have considered in staying. I give myself another year and will look elsewhere. A change is always good from time to time. They've lost a lot of skilled and well educated laborers in return for lesser experienced and educated people who got a red carpet to their nice office jobs. When a company doesn't view their employees as part of their investment it's safe to say they're not sailing in the right direction. Btw, a coworker who also worked labor had a Masters in economics. When he applied for a position which would have benefited from his education, and he too wasn't called for an interview, he quit and went elsewhere. And that was after years of him working in labor.
@@sebastienbolduc5654 that’s rough man. And I understand what you mean. I did security for 8 1/2 years and the year COVID happened I was going to quit and totally screwed any chance of me leaving 2020, 2021, and part of 2022. I only managed to quit because I moved states. It was a breath of fresh air. My company sucked and didn’t do anything good. The schedulers had no idea what the work sites looked like or anything. So they’d give a horrible explanation of what it looked like or the job actually was.
I learned this in a hard way during my 20s. The faster that you were the more job that they gave you. They were never that fast when you asked for compensation.
Lol reminds me of what my dad told me when he was in Soviet Engineering corps. One of the troops asked his commander "What if they don't pay us?". Commander: "They pretend to pay us, we pretend to dig"
Work smart, don't work hard. If you do work hard, your only rewards are what you set up for yourself: proficiency in something, successfully building something and then carrying that knowledge to your resume and next job.
I think it all depends on your situation. If your bosses will reward hard work "quiet quitting" is really dumb. If your bosses will just abuse you and not reward hard work, you might as well leave that place for one that will.
Going above and beyond only increases expectations. If an employer sees you performing at a sprinting pace, they will always expect you to go at that pace. At any moment you try to slow down and take a breath, they'll say that you're "underperforming". This is especially true working in tech.
So true, the MSP I work at implemented a hot seat program where a technician fields all incoming calls for the day and I had racked up a lot of calls. I prioritized contractual clients as it seemed logical and a penny pinching non-contractual client whined about their call taking a long time. So there I was surrounded by a small dicked manager, another manager and the owner and nobody had my back. My loyalty for years and rockstar status meant nothing. Now I kill my case queue and since my case count is low, they keep trying to assign me cases of less knowledgeable technicians or one pathological liar who was hired about a year and a half ago.
Today's favor becomes tomorrow's expectation. All going above and beyond does most of the time these days is make your CEO more money while you get more work.
In my experience, I’ve worked at a job for 13 years. I’ve learned and done things that were not stipulated in my contract in to earn a supervisor position one day. A few years later the position came up but the selection process was being delayed. When I’ve realized they were training up other candidates and they were getting noticed meanwhile I was being kept busy but not seen by the store manager. I was passed over promotion and was “promised “ another position next year 😂😂ve quiet quitted right then and there. 2 months later found a better career and been happy ever since
I work 7-4 and that is. In mid mid 50’s now spend my entire adult life after university working all the time for “the man” and ended up with a heart attack, ruined health and mentally tired. Quit , sold my house, move to a quiet little place and relaxing now. I live close to where I work so I can walk, do my job quietly with no stress and enjoy my life now. No more destroying myself for a corporation that just out to suck everything out of me. Less money but also less wasting money on junk I really don’t want or need.
Hey Josh I work as a Amazon driver when I first started here I would bust my butt doing 30-40 stops an hour where as the rate Amazon asks for is 20, I did that for a whole year thinking I would get a promotion and got nothing not even an acknowledgement from my boss so now they get 20-25 an hour
I went above and beyond for 3 years getting employee of the month several times and having the most tickets completed and issues resolved out of 30 people. This was for computer work. Yet, time after time after time. People who watched youtube or facebooked all day and did the min requirement (20-30 tickets) vs the 60-80 tickets I was doing. Would get promoted. Crazy. I LITERALLY COULD SEE THEIR SCREENS ON FACEBOOK OR TH-cam FOR 6-7 hours A DAY. THEN THEY WOULD GET PROMOTED. no exaggeration. After I voiced my concerns by submitting an HR complaint and going the right way. I had one of the owners come up and address me and tell me there was nothing he could do about it. Then I told him to f off and then I quit.
You were too good at your job so they wanted you there. Something similar happened to me. A manager wanted to take me in his department and the general manager refused because I was too good on my curent job...Finally, another manager asked for me and GM approved it. I think they knew I would leave the company if I wouldn't get a promotion. I feel sorry for the girl that has my old job now, she is as miserable as I was...
At my old job, when I was the new guy, I definitely went above and beyond more often than not. I talked to a senior manager one day and asked why his store numbers were never above or below expectations even tho i knew he was a badass salesman. He sat middle of the pack consistently. He said because if you put in too much effort too long at this career, then they will expect that to be the norm instead of something to celebrate. They will expect you to continue doing better then average so the people at the bottom don't look as bad. Thank god I don't work there anymore.
Happened to me too. There was this guy who worked days, mostly. He had all the contacts, people knew him, he joked with the brass... I had the support of my immediate superior, who was retiring, my boss, and the crew I worked with. I worked nights, weekends, holidays. I worked well beyond of what was expected of me. Longer hours, covering shifts, covering the time off people wanted to take, covering sick days. Never messed up. On the up and up, so to say. In the end who got the promotion? Can anyone guess? My second runner-up left after a few months to persue other opportunities. I stayed and now work for a guy with the biggest list of fuck ups in the company, but the bosses there knew him and were on the first name basis. In the end they didn't even listen to my superior, a man they held in high esteem, who went to bat for me multiple times. I just do what I have to, not an ounce more. Might be time for me to persue other avenues of employment.
The comment about picking up peoples slack... If they have people all doing their jobs and they have more work then what their job titles and pay require.....then THE COMPANY NEEDS TO HIRE MORE EMPLOYEES!
And to state the obvious if everyone goes and does that, then where is the motivation for the co. to hire anyone they just replaced? The more slack you pick up the more you change the job permanently. The slack picker upper is creating a sh*t job for themselves and if the rest of the team helps them out they are doing the same to themselves
I went above and beyond many times. I offered improvements that would improve the way we work. The outcome? Watching incompetent people getting promoted and running teams whilst taking credit for my work and ideas. And people who worked 'above and beyond' being completely shafted. Nope, not anymore. I do what I have to and go home. I dont owe anyone a thing.
At my first job I started by going above and beyond, and I enjoyed it. I kept doing more and more, I kept getting asked to do more, I could make it work and I didn't mind, it was all good for a few months. Then paycheck issues arose and I stopped taking on anything new, just doing whatever I was already doing. Then upper management (that never interacted with us lowly grunts) started criticizing me and middle management (who knew me and all that I did) never stuck up for me. And at that point I backed down to what I was hired to do and would only do other things when I was doing literally nothing else. Then a new manager joined and resolved my paycheck issues in 5 minutes, at that point I would make myself sparse so I couldn't even be asked to do anything and would just barely do my job to the point that no one would complain. If the other manager couldn't take 5 minutes out of his schedule to send an email to fix my paycheck then I wouldn't spend 5 minutes to help anything. I watched the spaces around me start to crumble (figuratively and literally) and wouldn't even bat an eye. Then the upper management went on a tirade about me. Made up complete lies about unsafe actions I was taking while operating a forklift (firable offense) and literally demeaned me while doing it. I was let go for "insubordination" because I told her she was wrong and proved how she was wrong. The unemployment checks were nice. Moral of the story: always do the minimum because management has already found a way to do less than the minimum.
Every time I've gone above and beyond I've been rewarded with nothing, being taken advantage of, or fired for no real reason. I prioritize my health and my family now.
After 8 months of working hard I got targeted by few of my colleagues and two managers. I spoke to my Boss about it and this made things even worse. All I wanted is some understanding and maybe a change. Apparently I feel like everybody hates me for speaking my mind, I never said a word to any of my colleagues. I don’t like dramas and attention but now I’m punished for being a god worker as well as being honest. Three weeks ago I become an employee of the week and this made my haters hating me even more. A week ago I gave my leave notice and can’t wait to stop going there. A had few red flags about the toxicity of this place at the very beginning, always listen to your intuition. I can’t believe what twisted world we live in. Bad people gang up and do what ever it takes to push you down. What is the funniest thing of them all is that I never liked this job, since day one I’ve been studying and developing new skills so I can find a better job. Mean while the haters at work think I want to be always the “best” . Toxic people that stay at same job for years are useful idiots brainwashed to believe that the work place and company is loyal to them. I can’t believe how braindead some people are. And guys we are talking about distribution centre job 😂😂😂
@@PenNamed I really want to go in to IT or Online Customer Support. First thing I started with is training my Touch Typing. So far I have 50 hours of typing practise and my speed is 70WPM. I started a course for Interpreting, Certificate Principals of Customer Support, currently studying for CamptiaA+ and AWS certification. Also some coding languages.
You are right, listen to your intuition. In those toxic places there is a group of employees of long term that put all their efforts to get rid of those that do not match that toxicity.
@@QwertyUiop-xd8tb amen….you are spot on. Is exactly what is happening. A bunch of old employees, unhappy souls not only lost for the wrong reasons but also emotionally invested for the wrong reasons. I think those type of people are afraid of someone genuine , honest, and hard working swiping them away. And if you think…their matching toxicity is what keeps them in that place. It’s like a nest full of snakes. I feel sad for those type of people, because they are not using their potentially for their own growth and benefit. I have never ever been afraid of moving on, and changing countries, cities, and places looking for my own peace and happiness.
People who go above and beyond are almost never rewarded for it and I'll say that after working years in corporate. It's how you do lose good talent, but I don't think the people who do literally quit really ever reach that level of acknowledgement like getting a star in elementary school most time managers are happy to have you work harder and they take the credit and the bonus that comes with it.
Lol. I work for a tow truck company. A few months ago they fired a guy everybody dreamed as having a bad attitude after 15 years of service. As he put it, they asked him to work nights temporarily and that then became his permanent position contrary to the original agreement. Over time his attitude became a little more testy. To find balance he kept to himself. As a new driver I was told to leave him alone. After my second time seeing him I approached him like, "what up dude" he hoped out of his truck and we became trusted coworkers. For context, he's an older white male from WV and I'm a slightly younger black male. Longer story short, he finally had enough acted out and they fired him. A few months later I've just recently put in my 2 weeks. That's more than they deserve. Everybody else seem to just quit outright.
Yup I know that feeling; I've done it in the restaurant industry for a very long time. Finally managed to get an Assistant GM position and I'm doing everything I can to bust my ass and help out with everything like I'm supposed to. My GM tells me: I'm not doing enough. At that point I gave up, and started working what was expected in the position once they decided to hire another Assistant GM and demote me to shift lead (in turn decreasing my pay as well). Mind you, I made them RUN OUT of the Salmon Dish (one of the pricier entrees in the spot) 2 weeks after I started... the amount of money I probably made them in that time was probably ludicrous I left shortly after and found a job with CBI Security now. Where merit literally means everything.
It's called the Peter Principle. You'll never be given a promotion if you pose a threat to their job. "Hey, how come the newbie can do your old job of 40 hours a week in 20?" Those words have never been spoken due to our good old friend, Peter. LOL
@@halohawkxx reading your comment was inspiring and good for you leaving to a better opportunity. That hit me reading how you made them a ludicrous amount of money. I feel the same and most aren't rewarded by their merit nor valued/compensated for their hard work. We're making these companies record profits while being grossly taken advantage of.
There's a difference between working hard and being taken advantage of. If your employer just want your effort for free then they are the lazy and selfish ones.
These people are maniacs, Walmart does not pay their staff to memorize the layout of the entire store, they don't even pay enough to cover the labor required to operate the store, let alone to render every employee a dedicated customer service rep. If you want personalized service, go hire a lawyer or commission an art project, don't wander into a big box store and then freak out because the short term, minimum possible pay workers are not able to lead you around like some kind of idiotic tour guide.
@@1439315 knowing the right aisle for a given kind of product is very different from memorizing the entire inventory and specific layout of the ever-changing *big* box store, which is what Karen in the beginning was looking for. 'Above and beyond' and all that
Not to mention that fact that new products are stocked constantly, because, you know, it's retail. I was listening to that complaint in disbelief. The funnier aspect is I bet the know it all doesn't know every single thing about the company they work for unless they are self employed. That's why they have a specific position. Why is a retail worker expected to do more, be more responsible then they would want to be at work?
I always at every job went above and beyond and was absolutely NEVER rewarded. Not only that, they expected 100% and when I would give 100% they would be like: Amazing! Now give more! Give us 130% because you can do it! No bonus, no thank you no nothing but a burn out.
I worked a job where as a teamlead none of my peers did their duties listed out in the contract. So effectively if you only do what the job description says, you’re doing more than most of your peers. What’s worse is if you stop, you can be written up, all the while seeing your peers do less than half the work. Factories suck.
I used to always be one of the hardest workers and 99% of the time it just netted me extra work over everyone else everyday and it went this way at multiple companies.
I commented on the last quiet quit video...I am one of those "quiet quitters." Left my job of 5 years after pouring in effort day after day, never seeing an increase in my pay (which was production based), and the final straw was when I learned that the company was taking 25% of the jobs install pay (skilled trade) to pay the new hires who were making an hourly wage, but we (the installers) were told we would make 100% of the pay for whichever jobsite we were on...Long story short, someone mentioned having enough money to pay the bills and so on...I am a single father in an urban area. I receive less than $100 per month in child support payments from the mother who hasn't put an effort into seeing her emotionally damaged son in over 10 years of his 15 years of life. Notice the price of gas lately? Groceries? If you think it's okay to make the bills and have nothing left, good on you, but here, there is no room for error in the budget. Money doesn't get wasted on frivolity, it is spent trying to better our lives. I didn't have the benefit of parents who paid my way through college, bought my first car or set up a trust...I have worked to the bone for all that we have. I am worth more than $14 per hour to install fiberglass insulation...crawling through attics and crawlspaces...climbing 3-4 sections of scaffolding that OSHA would have shut down because the pieces were mismatched and the safety rails no linger fit. Going home and scrubbing my skin with a fingernail brush in a cold shower every day...these are reasons I left my job of 5 years. This is what a quiet quitter looks like. hard working individuals whose worth is never valued.
You're correct! People misinterpret the term as "lazy" when most workers aren't willing to go above and beyond working hard for greedy companies who don't value or compensate their hard work.
Sorry to hear your struggle, I to work in construction right out of high school no dad or anyone to Gide me I was brought to the United States of America at the age of 2 years old illegally had no say in the matter I grew up with very low expectations of the pay and work I can get, at times I was shamed and treated worst than you can imagine, I never let those employers put me down I kept my head down worked hard every day regardless someone always noticed and I would get offers to be someone’s helper because I was the best help you can find. All a long studying the game Learning, taking in all the info possible even. After 6 Years I became a master of my trade I have been working in construction for 20 years now a few years ago I was able to fix my immigration status, soon as I did I got my contractors license and i now own a company with over a million dollars in sales for the last two years. I wouldn’t have got were I am at now if I did the quiet quitting thing all y’all talking about
@@rlr8189 First of all, congratulations! That, in itself, is quite a feat! That said, it isn't something everyone can do, takes money to make money when you go solo. I didn't have the luxury of growing up in the industry, actually, I spent years in the Army straight out of high school. Not many jobs outside of security or law enforcement for an Airborne Infantryman. I recently went back to school though, and have learned a new trade, and am currently in the process of opening my own photography studio. I hope I have as much success as you have had!
@@wobblinbob Hey brother Thank you for your service and bravery, there is not much advice I can say to a braver man than me, hope you are proud of the service you gave, keep working hard don’t ever look to what your neighbor is doing better or not doing keep focus no matter what the pay is just place your self in position to acquire the most knowledge possible and always walk through life with a end goal
I can guarantee you that the people complaining are not the type to go above and beyond. I can confidently say that because if you are the type who have gone above and beyond, then you know that the only two things you get from it or more work from management and the resentment of your colleagues.
I used to go above and beyond at my previous job. You know, young, passionate, wanted to help the company grow so the the company could help me grow. Worked 2-3 more hours each day, also on weekends without any day offs for two years in a row. But i didnt even get a thank you, let alone a raise. This was now expected of me, so when i finally refused to work on weekends my manager went crazy (no one else did it, just me). I said fuck it and transferred to another department. Guess what? They finally had to hire THREE new people to do the job that i did and each of those three earned more than me. Apparently i was the only idiot to believe this above and beyond crap. Never again though. You get what you pay for.
Ever since I first started working in corporate, I realized somebody is keeping the ship moving because so many people are doing the bare minimum. I didn't realize that later on the reason why people are doing the bare minimum is because they found out that doing the most equated to almost the same amount is doing the least.
I'm impressed with your constructive responses to criticism. Many people struggle to respond without getting defensive and insulted. As for "quiet quitting", I think it's a fantastic concept with an unfortunate name that is ripe for misinterpretation. Thanks for your helpful insights on the phenomenon!
I was very engaged at a job for almost 20 years. Volunteered for extra work, was a lot more productive than almost everyone. It got me very little in return. I ended up disengaging, did the bare minimum and left. Quiet quitting is nothing more than disengaging from a miserable situation, and if a person gets to that point, it's time to go.
I work in a small company who's boss is the kind that practices a technique I call "Don't breath and they won't notice me". When I first entered the company 5 years ago I'd go above and beyond to be noticed, work extra unpaid hours, and even invested my free time to develop the first stages of an app that would make our products visible in 3D and even AR for clients, allowing them to choose the characteristics of the product to their liking. Well, my boss not only shunned down my idea but some time later literally stole it from me to get a government's grant for "innovation". From that day on I decided I'd do the bare minimum and thanks to covid I managed to convince him to allow me to work remote every afternoon, which I usually don't even work unless there's urgent work to do. Also, my salary has been frozen since before covid; this year we're definitely going to get record profits and nothing will change despite massive inflation.
Apparently I’ve been doing this for years. I want to hike mountains and make art and go on long drives with my mornings and evenings, and if I don’t even get anything extra for using that time to arrive early and stay late… why would I? I’m still one of the most applauded employees at my job, but everyone knows that at 5 o’clock, I’m gone, I’m off grid, and I’m not working anymore till tomorrow. I just thought that was called healthy boundaries.
People working the hardest don't always get rewarded. I have seen people who suck up to the bosses get rewarded much better without doing much work. And the hard worker keeps getting more work.
Saw and witness that first hand! I had been applying for a level 2 position for about 6 months in my company. Then a lazy ass comes along, kisses ass with management and within 2 months gets that level 2 position! After that I stopped and just did the bare minimum
100% agree. I don't want cake in the breakroom, I don't want my employer to give their idea of 'work life balance', I don't want stupid trophies, or to hear about anyone's pronouns or how the company values diversity. I want to maximize income and minimize my time/effort and headaches.
as a future business owner, I hope my employees never feel like they are not appreciated and this channel has really helped me open my eyes to what to incentivize them with.
The hell of it is, it's not even really that hard to get right. If you hire somebody for tasks A, B and C, keep them doing tasks A, B and C, and don't start demanding they also do X and Y without compensating them properly for it. Further, if they _do_ manage X and Y as well, make sure you notice it and offer them that extra compensation for adding X and Y to their workload. See, sounds like common sense, don't it?
*Quiet quitting affecting the team workload* => No. If that is happening long term, then the company is understaffing because it relies on the workers to put in extra time that they shouldn't have to. The concept of using the overall workload (based on what the employer / boss provides as the workload) as a justification against quiet quitting is a recipe for disaster. Short term, exceptions can be chosen to be made. Long-term, employers can take advantage of the situation and increase the workload because they know you'll think more about impact upon the co-workers. At the start of COVID, my company had lay-offs and my group's staffing was never restored afterwards because we all put in an effort to focus on the workload instead of our hours, which resulted in 60 hours per week. The focus the company took for the layoffs were salary driven so they could layoff $X amount of salaries (i.e. not quiet quitters). With 60+ hour work-weeks, we were able to try to hold our heads above water. Now, we have other groups in the company which are working fewer hours, getting more people for staffing because they are sticking closer to 9 to 5. It's the boss / employer who should be evaluating the team workload and making sure the team has appropriate coverage. If they refuse to do so, people need to evaluate how they are going to respond to that and they should not be shamed for choosing to work just the hours they are paid for.
I am Gen X and I literally agree with you 100%. Anyone trying to "shame" you with stupid labels is ONE downturn away from saying exactly what you are saying. To me, those label type personalities are way more entitled than any quiet quitting shaming label they choose to throw at you. Keep up the good fight, because workplace narcissists have created this crap work environment, we all must now work in. I have worked as a Senior Director, then got laid off all the way back down to entry level in a new industry due to ageism blacklisting. It is a real thing and I have successfully utilized the "use this job to fund your escape" strategy and leap-frog 4 crap jobs back into a six-figure job again in the new industry. I got divorced (eerily similar to you) when I got laid off as she could not tolerate that the lifestyle had to change until I built myself back up again. It took seven long years to get a decent job again. Please don't ever lose hope; I nearly did but there really is light at the end of the tunnel. Thanks for everything you do.
In my experience...if you start off as an eager beaver they expect a yes every time...if you say no...they leave you alone and dont expect more from you...and i learned to say no
I have to admit I have implemented quite quitting at my job and started my TH-cam channel. There is no way anyone at my job could say that I wasn’t working extremely hard as a matter of fact I was the most efficient and consistent worker the company had according to my peers. Unfortunately management hired a lot of people that were not qualified and decided it was my job to pick up their slack. I naturally started quiet quitting because they only applied pressure on me and the other people that worked hard while creating easy assignments for everyone else.
That’s managements problem IMO. Why are they so afraid to fire people? Managers are supposed to hire and fire. Arguably they quiet quit first by refusing to do the hard parts of their job description.
@@ladyeowyn42 you’re exactly right it is managements problem. Unfortunately because they did not handle their business around 20 of the best workers left.
I worked hard as an undergraduate which got me accepted into a top professional school, so in some cases, hard work does pay off. However, that is just one part of the equation. In my professional life, I owned my own business and I also worked for others. As far as my business was concerned-hard work paid off. As far as working for others I would have to say that relational skills were the most important in getting ahead. Those who were liked and made an effort to be a friend of the boss moved further than those who slaved away often to have their work disregarded or the credit for it taken by someone else. My sister worked in a system that was regulated by an outside agency. She was the head of her department and worked like a slave to improve the poor rating of that department (a mess that happened long before she was employed there). In a couple of years, she was able to obtain a perfect score from the rating agency-a massive accomplishment. Her superiors brought her in the following morning to congratulate her on her amazing accomplishment. That afternoon she was let go due to budget cuts. Can you imagine? She was absolutely devastated. Her situation is not isolated and I have heard similar stories throughout the years. I'm retired, but I'm fortunate to be able to talk to younger adults and many echo a similar philosophy. They see their parents slaving at a job, working at night and weekends-and they ask, "Why?" Gone are the days when a company was loyal or protected its workers. I'll end with one more story. I knew a man who worked for the big telephone company of the day. His brother unexpectedly passed away within weeks of this man's starting and his supervisor told him to take as much time as he needed to heal. That act of kindness made him incredibly loyal to that company and he worked hard as he felt that the company had his back, so he had the company's back. Over time, the company changed with new management and truly became a horrible place to work. It was famous for making its senior employees' lives extremely difficult, possibly in an effort to get them to quit before they reached early retirement age (and a nice pension). This man's attitude completely changed. He did his job, but no more. His goal was to get to his early retirement and leave the company that he now despised (over 30 years later). I'm happy to report that he did make it to early retirement, but he was nearly destroyed by the company in the process. Instead of blaming employees companies need to look at why their employees are acting the way that they are. You can't treat someone like a piece of office equipment and then expect them to give their life for the sake of corporate profits. Of course, people should do their job-but not the job of two or three. Young people are savvy and they know that if they don't take care of themselves no one (including their company) will.
I really appreciate these videos that you do. It lets a lot of us know that we aren't crazy. A lot of us are hard workers and there's nothing wrong with wanting to feel appreciated correctly by not being taken advantage of. For all the people who say that "doing just enough" is bad are really just completely ignorant to how lucky/fortunate they may have had it. I've had some jobs where I was rewarded all the time, and I've had a job that after 8 years of being there, hoping things would change; waiting for that "break" it never happened. It's hilarious to see how some people think "going above and beyond" works 100% of the time - they have this boomer mentality, literal sh** in their brains that they can't clean out because they can't see things differently or see things for what they really are unless it benefits them.
"Your participation trophies don't mean anything" "You've gone above and beyond for 3 years, and I don't want to pay you more, but there's a participation tro- I mean, there's pizza in the break room" Maybe the older generations got used to us being happy with participation trophies (Of course we were, we were 5) but now that we're adults, they're upset when we aren't as happy for the same garbage. God forbid we ask for what we're worth
To add on: it's hilarious that they think we want participation trophies in the first place. Dude, the point is that I want you to STOP just giving me goddamn meaningless trophies. Pay me more finally.
lmao reminds me of how my stupid employer thought bringing us all McDonalds breakfast would make us happy; instead of properly staffing us and giving us better pay.
Are you kidding? The older generations got immediate promotions and raises for doing what they now consider “quiet quitting.” That’s why they call us lazy. No point in slaving for no reward.🙄
@@lampario2862 Do you know where war medals come from? They started as gold coins. Officers were favourite picking and all sorts. So, they turned them into commemorative tokens. 'Participation trophies'.
But this is the thing tho *they didn't get just participation trophies, they got raises, promotions and bonuses as well* . Back in those days upward mobility in these companies was genuinely possible with hard work due to the economic prosperity they had at the time, for us that prosperity is largely gone and so are the tangibles that came with the participation trophies. But these boomers are either too out of touch or not willing to accept that their idealism toward working was only possible becuase of prosperity in the past.
Joshua Bro, I understood your point the first time around. You were very clear about the information that you gave. You presented it very well and with supported evidence. Do not worry about these naysayers trying to twist your words. I think they are corporate people trying to troll you. I totally understood what you were saying about quiet quitting. It is about ceasing to go above and beyond when you realize that you have been consistently doing it and your job is taking advantage of you and never rewarding your hard genuine effort. That was very clear and I support you and your argument because I am living proof of constantly being loyal to the job and they keep messing over you and not returning the loyalty you gave them. We all know about all of the prejudices and injustices that go on in the workplace, and to ignore them would be foolish. Keep doing what you do Joshua. Keep telling the truth and don't worry about the naysayers.
I think what a lot of the critics miss about the quit quitters is that many, if not most, have already gone and above and beyond long before deciding it isn't worth it. Favoritism, work place politics, lack of any room for advancement (waiting for someone to die, quit, or retire in flat organizations is a huge issue)- the carrot is so far out of sight, all we can see is the stick.
When I got my first job 13 years ago, my Mother told me "Don't work too hard, or they will start expecting it out of you ever day". I don't think it's wrong to set your own standards with your regular performance. If you want to get promoted and move up in the company, then go above and beyond what is expected of you, but there is no reason to judge others who choose to perform on a standard level. As a manager or supervisor, if you want your employees to all go above and beyond then you must make it worthwhile. Make them want to choose to be all they can be while they are at work. It doesn't have to be a pay raise or a pizza party. Sometimes being a better leader is all people want. Sometimes delegating work appropriately will keep your whole team happy.
As someone who has worked in both retail and customer support for minimum wage, I can say with certainty that we are not paid what we are worth; nor does hard work lead anywhere but the expectation that you continue to give that 150%. It is not rewarded and it doesn't lead to advancement. A company of thousands and there is never a business need that will allow you to advance. Yet what will happen, is you will be asked to train other people, asked to take over calls when other employees are having difficulty, walk the floor to answer digital flags (this is specific to the jobs I have held), and more without a raise or any other form of compensation. When you do this for an extended period of time and finally muster up the courage to go ask for a raise, they say yet again "sorry it's just not in the budget" which is how that conversation will go down every time you approach them. "Quiet Quitting" isn't laziness, it's not, not doing your job. It's simply the realization that the job and ultimately the people who you work for have zero intention/incentive to help you rise. All that extra effort means nothing to them other than free labor and they will get upset if you stop providing it. Quiet Quitting is simply doing your job and nothing more. Today's CEOs are so out of touch with reality they actually believe that we should be happy with the scraps that they are forced to pay us by law. They could give us a living wage and still make 50 million in profit, but they choose not to. The workplace used to have pensions, real ability to work your way up from the bottom. That doesn't happen these days. You have to know someone to get ahead. The only people these CEOs have to blame is themselves. They got too greedy and now they are paying the price. If you want us to come in and give a 150% then it's on you and your company that needs to step up. Treating everyone like they are basically slaves who should be grateful that the master smiled at them and his offered crumbs isn't going to cut it.
My brother does this. He never goes more than 80% at new jobs, so his improvement over time has more impact. my parents always say he’s doing things wrong, but his constantly increasing pay when he hasn’t got a degree seems to me to prove them wrong lol.
@@kylelouthan4759 I couldn’t agree more. It’s to bad a lot of people believe the “hard work will get you to the top lie” by the time you realize it’s not true you’ve worked at a company 10 years are afraid to change jobs.
Thank you so much for standing your ground and educating people. I actually just walked away from a job and was quite quitting before I found my new one. Imagine spending $10,000+ on Christmas decor, not providing Holiday pay OR providing food to your employees but STILL demanding that they make more money for their company. It's just wild to me. Thank you for everything that you do. I appreciate you 💙💜
Rated a 3 out of 5 on PRODUCTIVITY on the 5 year annual review. IT was BOTH a professional & personal insult. A healthy guy who goes to the gym weekly, eats healthy, NOT married; NO kids who tears it up at work gets insulted this way. NOT long after that i quit with NO notice. They had turnover before i worked at this dpt and i knew it.
Quite a few years ago I changed departments in the company for a higher paying job. I thought working hard and going "above and beyond" was the right thing to do. I was putting in 12 hour days, 6 days per week, with on-call as well. Then when the company had problems and needed to let some people go I was let go. I was shocked, to say the least. Even though I had been there for 5 years. But because I was the last on (Changing Departments), supposedly, I was the first to go. Honestly, I should have just been a lazy shit like the others and refused on-call and extra hours or "helping out" by doing extra unpaid hours. There is a word for what I was doing..."sucker".
I devoted myself to my company 100% , my managers called me the king of above and beyond. Then a few months ago, I was verbally attacked by a supervisor who confused me for someone else. I was humiliated infron of multiple people. Once things cold off, I wanted an apology. My manager scolded me for ordering them around and demanding an apology. I then out of anger said " i deserve a raise for this" my manager got angry and said "its nice you think that but there are no raises for people who are just bearly meeting expectations" . Since then I stopped going above and beyond, no more of hours call, and no more staying late. After all I'm just "bearly meeting expectations". A few weeks ago my managers called me a "quit quitter". I had no idea what that was, looked it up, found your channel. I am a PROUD QUIT QUITTER :3
It's shame that you had to experience that. I really hope you you are looking for a new job, it might take months but I guess anything would be better than working in that toxic environment
You should quit and find a job that pays more and watch them beg to keep you.
Similar thing is happening to me right now....
You are not quite quiting just doing your job as stated just because you are not doing extra doesn't mean you're quite quiting just working as your job required
Maybe you do your job so well the managers feel you are a threat to them. Quietly look for a better job elsewhere, better to be prepared. It’s good to stay in practice at looking for jobs.
I know someone who has worked for the same company for almost 40 years. Manufacturing. Often pulling 60-80 hour work weeks. He came down with an aggressive form of cancer and his company is not allowing him to take time off. That's what loyalty buys you.
worse, they'll get hr to ask around if anyone would like to donate some of their paid time off to him.
And I think many of the older generations learned these harsh lessons when they are ill, burnt out, let go, and lose tons of years with their families thT weren't rewarded. These companies see you as a number to make them more profits and aren't loyal.
@@anitaknight3915 whats sad is every year another large set of naive young people come into the workforce giving away the majority of their life after being tricked, preyed upon, and brainwashed by older people in higher positions to use them and throw the discarded remains when no longer useful
I had two coworkers tried to get my ass fired because they’re blindly loyal to our former company. Company got shut down recently and all of us lost our jobs except for our finer boss those two loyally cock sucked.
Sad thing is those two guys USED to be my friends. Not only they’re unemployed but they also lost a good friend.
@@artimus7525 they were never your friends. You only know your true friends when situations get tough. Till such a situation they are just acquaintances.
If everybody does their job, and the work is still not done, then the employer needs to hire more help.
Or you know they could show up and work for free like they want their workers to do.
Also if you get denied time off because of coverage you dont have enough employees. I should be able to take any day off I want.
@@flux6472Agree 100%!! It's not a benefit, if I don't get to choose when I'm off.
@@gamergodofjustice I am so angry at every employer that does unpaid overtime.
Because it normalises it.
Fuck everyone that does unpaid overtime and bosses that expect it
But then the ceo can't buy another buggati
If quiet quitting causes strain on your team, it means you have allowed yourself to be taken advantage of for so long that your team is under staffed as a result of people doing more than what they were hired for.
It can also mean your coworkers are slacking because you covered them for so long.
@@ReptarKingOfMeat No because in that case the strain on the team already existed
YOUNG folks these trends against workers by governments and corporations will only worsen and just getting started. do NOT get pregnant, get tubal ligation for both the guy and girl and even more importantly use daily birth control pills and Morning After pill once each time after sexual activity and use a condom. Children will be born into absolute poverty as we enter the Greatest Depression starting these next few years which will last a very long time and be 10 times as severe as in Japan and Greece.
@@ReptarKingOfMeat no. It means you're not doing your minimum expected amount of work
Bingo!
There's a saying: "we work hard enough not to get fired, they pay enough for us not to quit"
In other words I pretend to work and they pretend to pay me 💰
thats a funny one, never heard it before,
George Carlin said that i think
That's exactly what i feel is really going on...
like in soviet russia. they pretend to pay us, we pretend to work
Quiet firing is when employer doesn't promote or give you a raise ever. It would be fun when both quiet quitting and quiet firing meet - match made in heaven.
They would be a quiet couple😂😂😂
Employer gives some golden handcuffs (10 karat) for employee to stay "out of the way"
This sounds like an actual thing
I mean.... sounds like every part time job actually
In the end it doesn't matter because the employer still loses. They lose money for
poor quality product/performance.
Or when you're a part-timer or seasonal employee and all of a sudden, you're getting less hours compared to a bunch of new hires. I can't feed myself at 4 hours every 2 weeks.
I'm old enough to remember when the motto was "an honest day's work for an honest day's pay." You were loyal to the company and the company was loyal to you. (Yes, I'm ancient!) Every job was expected to pay a living wage. Sure, the janitor was driving a basic car and living in a small house while the execs had Cadillacs and large houses, but there wasn't this "How dare you expect to have a decent life without 3 PhDs or job skills known by only .000001% of the population?!?" crap that plagues the business community today.
Why shouldn't a Walmart worker make enough to live on? Why should they need government assistance to afford mac and cheese and an apartment with 5 roommates? All that does is make us tax payers subsidize the Walmart family and allow them to sock a few more billion away into their pockets each year.
It's simply not possible for everyone to work high skill jobs. 1 - not everyone has the capacity or opportunity to learn. 2 - there aren't enough high skill jobs to employ everyone. Heck, janitors, who keep areas clean and safe, are arguably better for society than many paper pushers.
Companies have been eliminating jobs for decades and making their employees work 2-3 jobs without 2-3 times the pay. Yes, there are times to go above and beyond, but it's not sustainable in the long run. It's not healthy for workers nor for the economy. We can't continue to have executives pocket more and more of the profits (while using loopholes to avoid taxes) while the rest of us either work too many hours and subsidize those who can't find jobs because we're working their job as well as our own, or are unemployed because companies won't properly staff up, preferring to treat people like lightbulbs - wait until they burn out then toss them out.
This is real. They owners and bosses made maybe 20x the rest of us. Now they make over 300x more than the average paid-not the lowest paid employee.
And the janitors don’t work for them-all that labor is outsourced and pays even less than ever.
I'm a Housekeeper, so close to a Janitor. I once kept my workplace free on Covid and kept it open. I was told I was amazing for a month, but they still effed me over.
I think my housekeeper is more valuable than I am....Living wages for all.
Sounds like slavery with extra steps
This comment is based
Quiet quitting is literally just having a good work/life balance.
Thats how I always see it as work life balance and don't going above your pay grade job description if you won't be rewarded or compensated for it. These companies are taking gross advantage. People don't want to go above and beyond working harder for someone to make them rich and you burnt out with zero raise or promotion.
It's a great term to trigger boomers who want to squeeze you for more than they pay you.
Work-Life balance is important. I recently scaled back by security 🚔 hours by choice to reduce the stress, BS 🦬, conflicts. I'm also currently transferring into a higher paying DHS contract post. I'd like to make more $$$ BUT I don't need conflict, stress.
Funny enough I've never had a raise unless I switched to a better pay job. Been quiet quitting even before I knew what it was. Also been red pilled before i knew what that was. Gotta stand up for yourself in all bouts of life. No one else will.
@@Roescoe it was done to boomers, boomers did it to your generation, your generation will do it to subsequent generations.
Your generation is no different, including the notion that your generation is different and more enlightened.
Every generation thinks that.
Me, I’m Gen X, we are no different either.
So maybe, just maybe, all the generations should find commonality and find the real culprits.
These culprits are not designated by age, or colour, or language, or sex, but by those who truly live as parasites behind the scenes.
They are the ones who get us fighting each other.
It’s their only trick.
They have been here for thousands of years.
Good luck and peace be with you.
I had a job a while back where every time you gave 110%, it immediately became the new 95%. Needless to say, turnover at that company was pretty high.
When everyone strives to be super, no one is. I try to tell people that, but they just don’t see it
You are right on target. Ben there, done that one too. (For a few years.) Needless to say, not working there any more. :) Thank god.
Absolutely.
HERE IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.🤔
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LET THAT SINK IN.🤷♂️
WHY?🤷♂️🤔
BECAUSE THEY ARE A CHEAP LABOR POOL,TO REPLACE AMERICAN WORKERS,WHO ARE WAKING UP (QUIETLY QUITTING) ,TO ALL THE UNCOMPENSATED, EXPLOITATION OF LABOR,BY THE OLYGARCHS. 🤔
THINK ABOUT IT,THE CORPORATE OLYGARCHS ARE GAMBLING ON THE HOPE, THAT THE ILLEGALS WON'T DARE ORGANIZE OR MAKE TROUBLE FOR THEM.🤔
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THINK ABOUT IT!🤷♂️
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I've been an IT Professional for 20+ years at this point. EVERY corporation I have EVER worked for, rewarded working above and beyond with nothing but more work and being pigeon holed into the position you are in, being denied promotion and raises because you have made your self too valuable right where you are at. Promotions are rarely more than a popularity contest. ONLY go above and beyond when absolutely necessary, otherwise keep your head down, nose to the grindstone and do ONLY your job, nothing more, nothing less.
Well said.
IT are the red-headed step children of most companies. In my experience anyway.
Thanks for getting the job done quickly here are two more and I need them done today.
@@Kvs1920 "Here's a project I need done by end of day. It will take a week? Well that's not acceptable, even though I've known about it for a month and you could have easily met the deadline if I told you back then. Now drop everything and get this done, but don't drop the 10 other things that are due today or we'll look bad."
“Promotions are nothing more than a popularity contest” - this one hit really deep.
From my experience with corporations they are happy to pay someone who shows up on time and does nothing, and quick to fire some one who shows up a couple minutes late and does most the work
Yeah they're awful at paying attention to who actually does what. They only pay attention to surface level things that don't show anything. You don't do the song and dance of "work parties" because you had actually important things to do? Fired.
PREACH!
YOU HIT THE NAIL BANG ON THE HEAD!
yeah noticed that as well. especially in the beginning of my career, i was always overperforming, taking initiative etc. Barely got praise for the success but got called someone with 'variable' output because i couldn't keep that up all the time. In comparision co-workers were working max 2 hours a day becauses management had no clue of actual workload.
@@LilacMonarch I never do work parties, even when I was in the military
So, this is me, always has been. Except im not late. I just show up and do everything. Ive come to realize its not that their unaware, they fear hard workers because their lazy. And because their lazy anyone who outpaces them is seen as a threat rather than an asset. Ive been thru like 12 companies. Corporate and family. Corporate bosses are incompetent and they fear you replacing them and when its family companies that do want good workers then co workers fear you and try ti make you a bad guy to maintain favorite status. This is why i just started my own company. Everywhere i go people just get intimidated by my work history and act weak.
I have 2 friends who are extremely hard workers making 115k a year at a STEM Job and they were let go after giving 11 years and 13 years to a company due to profits. I SUPPORT QUIET QUITTING!
I support quitting all together, and just living off the land off grid, but the government ( corporate puppets to keep us enslaved) has made LAWS against this kind of living so they can keep their power over us.
Me too if the situation requires it
" Why are we paying these two guys so much when we can hire two new guys to do the same for half the cost?"
I guarantee you that came up in a meeting.
If you’re making 115k after over 10 years they should be glad they got let go. Not trying to be a dick but they are trying robbed for their time
@@joem9528 that’s just not true bro what are you talking about, like less than 20 percent of the USA make that money. You get a spouse with anything about 60k your doing better than most people on EARTH. The much out of touch comment I’ve ever heard.
Going above and beyond will only get you a heavier workload. It happened to my teammate Jeff. Jeff was smart, helpful, and went above and beyond. They piled so much on him that he quit a year later. He was one of the best people we had. I hope he is doing well.
oh, the bots have noticed you.
@@Zebulization not only did they notice him, I got the Random, "tell us how you feel about this comment" survey for that comment as well. Interesting bot detection algorithm.
If I'm expected to go above and beyond, then so should my pay. If I were to call a subscription service and request the premium service for the same price as the basic service, I would be laughed at.
Yet, employers regularly do the same thing with their employees and that's normal?
These greedy boomers always go silent when you tell them that fair exchanges are how capitalism works, which is just so ironic, because they like to call us communists just for wanting a livable wage, yet here we are educating them on how capitalism works...
Yeah I was a Jeff thought I make a name for myself self by helping as much as I can, but when I couldn't because my own workload increased people would think I was being lazy. Eventually I stopped helping souch cause why for ungrateful coworkers. Then management would try to gaslight me into doing the work of lazy employees. Never again life too short to be taken advantage of.
@@nathankimball5380yup life is too short
My response to 'this is fallacy': my friend got a job in finance. She's a master of Excel and excellent with numbers. She had straighten out lots of previous people f* ups and saved a lot of money as well also outside of her scope. She didn't put herself out there. Not only she didn't get promotion (someone else did) but at EOY summary she got rating 2 out of 6, (which is bad). The higher rating the better bonus. When she asked "why?", received a reply that "she must be more visible".
Corporate world is a joke.
Agree!
Wow
I feel like there's so much promoting out there on the sheer basis that someone's personality is more charismatic than another person's personality. In the case of your friend, of course she isn't as visible as a salesperson--her talent is crunching numbers! Not bragging about it or talking people up..!
It absolutely is, I solve most of my problems quietly without causing a ripple for anyone so of course they assume nothing happens.
There is a huge difference between quiet quitting and being lazy. I am a nurse that quiet quit in about 1980. I am still working at 67 and I have enjoyed my career of quiet quitting. I just enjoy my patients and my coworkers. I love your channel, thank you.
Even if you did quiet quit, i still want to take a sec to say thank you for your service. Nurses are next to Angels.
@@jessikapiche6097 I disagree. I don't trust nurses and doctors as far as I can throw them.
@@jessikapiche6097 "thank you for your service." thats what we say to war heros...
@@e.t.9868 cool. better not get any treatment for anything and enjoy a shit life if hurt hypocrite
@@Jimothy-723 "thanks for your service" is just an empty phrase which is said to military members and now healthcare workers, it doesn't mean much
The people against “quiet quitting” are just the people who want to hold you back. They are the people who fight against others getting a raise. They are the same ones who reward themselves and complain when they didn’t their recognition.
Just take care of yourself. Because no one else will…..
They're the ones who get mad at others for trying to get raises for sure.
What you just said matches the stereotype of someone who looks like you do. You are some goofy dumb young person who lacks the ability to say anything original because you are that unintelligent. Everything is not a debate, you or anyone else replying with a comment attempting to rebut what I just said is irrelevant. Delusion based on people saying incorrect things then either getting the response they wanted due to intimidation or support from others has ruined conversation online.
They sound exactly like the people whose job the quiet quitters would be doing.
Whenever anyone makes a move towards healthy boundaries, people who are used to taking advantage of others are really quick to show themselves though this type of unsubstantiated whining.
They're just mad they worked their butt off for years and got little reward for it.
I prefer to name it:
- act your wage
- optimise your income
- balanced contribution
- Return on Job - ROJ
In the end, don’t waste your time making someone else rich, only if they make you rich in the process.
I agree. Quiet quitting is for the most part a meaningless term. There is no quitting involved, you still work there. In fact, most of the time it means you're doing 100% of your job and nothing else. You do what you gotta do. Act your wage sounds like a catchy name for it.
Let's try to slowly change it to act your wage.
Well said!
Act your wage is the best tern. Pay minimum wage? You get minimum effort. Thats the way it goes
Wanna work with someone that you get rich together because they don't earn much more than you do?
I'm afraid you're not gonna like the answer, which is sad since it's really the only one at the point we are as a species...
We called quiet quitting “work-life balance” in the 90’s & 2000’s. Nothing new and I was lucky enough to have managers promoting this and encouraging their employees to use their time off.
Wowwww
When I first heard of "quiet quitting" my first thought was about people who just quit their job on the spot: either not showing up or never coming back from lunch. I can agree that the name doesn't reflect "act your wage and do your job description"
It never did but corporations and media made it seem that way.
That's what I thought as well.
even quitting your job on the spot i see no problem with, these companies will fire you with 0 notice so why should you give them notice unless it personally benefits you.
Same. I was like "Quiet quitting? Sounds rude, why would they quit without saying anything..." then when I heard what it actually refers to I'm like "wait, isn't that how everyone should act always at every job?"
It paints a very negatively on the workers. Now, i know this is absolutely shocking, but i am going to ask you - who can benefit AND afford from such image. The employees. Or the employers.
The fact that someone is even considering this means the money talks and talks very very efficiently.
I am 54 and it drives me crazy when people my age or older think anybody should go above and beyond without compensation. It has been my experience that the people that are liked or good friends of the boss make the most money….. period. It has nothing to do with experience or work ethic. It took me a long time to come to grips with that fact, but I made the necessary adjustment to just do my job or move to different jobs. You won’t be missed at any of those jobs.
I go to work for money. You want more work? More money. Period.
At 51, I've seen the same and act accordingly now.
Right, I and most of the people at the factory I work at makes 14.00 per hour, but for the summer, we found out that the upper management and owners college breaking kids come in there to screw off for party money for their spring and summer break and get 18.00 per hour, How's that for disrespecting your employees who are not there to get party money, but rather pay their bills.
Next time my landlord raises my rent suddenly, I'm going to tell him "You need to learn to not demand instant gratification in life." and see how that works out.
I think the baby boomers as the worst polluting (and thus making human extinction almost certain in a few hundred years if not sooner) and one of the if not the greediest generations that has ever lived to go above and beyond for humanity and terminate their existence so they can become fertilizer and help minimize the global damage they have done.
Not wanting to pick up the slack of others, because it is unfair is the definition of quiet quitting.
t's okay to pick up the slack of other people IF you actually have a choice of accepting/rejecting their job aka not being forced to do it and IF you are going to be adequately compensated for it.
Agreed, which ironically makes the people complaining about quiet quitting sound like the slackers.
I was going to explain why life is unfair and you have to look out for yourself, but you keep doing you friend.
"Life is unfair, now do my job" -- average quiet quitting critic
You're a quiet quitter, now do MY job. Nice reply 😁
In college, a teacher of mine gave me a worst grade compared to my peer, on an assessment we had to complete. Later i talked to him, and shown him evidence that i worked harder (git commits) and he told me bluntly "You see, this might serve you as a lesson, when you hit the market, it doesn't matter how much you work, if you don't "sell" how hard you work, and sometimes it will matter most how much people perceive how hard you work, not how much real effort you put into it". Gotta remind myself of that.
Life lesson...but still an asshole.
firstly, he is right
secondly, fuck him for enforcing it himself.
That's a horrible lesson, especially depending on the field,
Your professor was a washed up bitter had
Same thing happened to me. I wish we are not in this boat.
Dystopian af
I heard about "quiet quitting" long after becoming self employed. Quiet quitting is what enabled me to build my way out of working for incompetent managers.
incompetent mangers....for real its so infuriating!
For sure! I left a job 6 months ago for that exact reason. Passive-aggressive manager, who I felt didn't know nearly as much as he pretended.
You can only go as high as your incompetency...
;)
My last two jobs provided management with bonuses for keeping labor costs down. That is one thing I have tried to find out about before going to an interview, and even asking at the interview. That practice essentially eliminates the possibility of any raise based on merit, or any other factor for that matter. Also, if they describe It as "one big family, " run like hell.
Good advice... "One big family" are indeed words of doom in corpo speak.
This is great advice.
It’s not about merit but profit. Maximizing profit for shareholders.
If you consistently "go above an beyond", your consistency will become the norm for your boss. This will make life harder both for you and your colleagues. At the same time, it is unlikely that you will get any sort of raise or promotion or anything except a pat on the back. Don't go above an beyond.
This is true, although I can only speak from a retail perspective. There is always someone at my work who goes above and beyond and always talking about how they're going to get bigger numbers. Well, those people always get more and more and more work dropped on them. They get hassled all the time by upper management to get specific things done. They're also the ones who end up doing the jobs of ten people. And every single time, they end up burnt out and either quit, or get replaced due to being unable to keep up. All the regular workers who just do their work and stay quiet end up sticking around for a long time if they want to.
Edit: I forgot to add, they never get raises for going above and beyond. A great example would be my current manager. He was recently asked to temporarily manage two departments at the same time. Well after a few weeks, they decided he's just going to manage two departments, with ZERO pay increase, and zero extra benefits or vacation time.
I agree that you need to let management know when your going above and beyond is not sustainable in order to protect yourself and others. If you are constantly putting in more than you can consistently do then they will be in for a sorry surprise when the next emergency comes in and no one can do it because they have been going above and beyond for too long...
This is the true innovation of capitalism, finding any way possible to make more profit.
Sometimes they don't even give u a pat on the back. Sometimes they only focus you if you went home early or if ur numbers barely didn't hit what they usually do
Usually not even a pat on the back.
My husband in a retail job got management training with the promise of moving up and then never got the raise or promotion but was expected to do management things. Pretty sure that's the company taking advantage of him not the other way around. He found a new job and changed companies.
Congratulations to him.
Hopefully things are going well.
See now that’s what you do. This “quiet quitting” trend is just nonsense. You really want to move up in a company you show you’re capable, actually live up to your talk, and stand up for yourself if management tries to take advantage. If they don’t want to pay or promote based on what you actually do, then you let them find out just what all you were doing for them by going somewhere else and leaving them in the lurch.
@@endorbr yes, it again like he said in the video, while you look for other jobs, you quiet quit, just go the bare minimum that your job title is! Not do management crap that they give you to do that you aren't getting paid to do!
This is exactly why Job hopping is becoming so popular. I was with a company for a year and saw enough from the long term employees to know they were getting strung along. If you weren’t one of the MDs you weren’t satisfied with your pay, ever. This was enough ammunition for me to pull the trigger on that job and move on with a nearly 50 percent gross pay increase.
I truly feel bad for those employees who go above and beyond and never get the treatment and rewards for their hard work that they deserve because of their more “agreeable nature”
Large corporations thrive on agreeable, ego-sensitive types. Everyone's gotta stick to the script!
This and when they under-utilize your capabilities and don't give you any real means of growth for your capabilities.
This reminds me of an experiment I conducted at work about 10 years ago.
I’ve worked many different jobs and I’ve always been an incredibly hard worker. I regularly took on jobs which normally required multiple people to complete, and did them more efficiently by myself. But it’s always been a bit of an uphill battle getting promotions and I’ve wondered at times whether I was making myself too valuable to promote.
I decided to put this theory to the test when I got a job at Walmart after moving to a new area. I started in a low level inventory position, and while I was fast at stocking freight I regularly did the bare minimum. I’d show up, get my telzons and my audits for the day, then find somewhere out of the way to in the storeroom to sleep and play on my phone. I’d do a few audits real quick and then walk around and gladhand with other associates and department heads. Technically speaking I did my “job” but I only put in maybe 2 hours of real, actual work in an 8 hour shift. The result? Inside of 2 months they made me the grocery department manager. I then proceeded to work my butt off I’m that job, staying late and accomplishing as much as I physically could every single shift. The result of that? I got crapped on by my superiors, constantly told there was so much more I should be doing.
The conclusion I reached was that there really isn’t an unbreakable connection between a persons upward trajectory in a given career path and the effort they put in or even how much they accomplish; it all comes down to how you’re perceived.
Did you end up taking your foot off the gas in the department manager position and start gladhanding again?
As they say, perception is reality!
My husband's boss killed two promotions my husband should have had because he knew if my husband left, his department would tank. Sick.
Walmart is just like that! I worked at the Walmart home office and same thing happened to me. I outperformed my team I was in and I arrived late ONE time and I was under a microscope for 6 months after that. It didn't matter how good of a job I did, ANY little thing wrong that I did they were on me and asking about it. They didn't care if I was outperforming the rest of the team! I started doing the bare minimum, quiet quitting, and then roughly a month later I put in my two week notice!
@@DaBrown101 don't worry, that's currently true of me at my engineering job. That's why I've recently discovered quiet quitting.
I think a lot of people underestimate the power of "too valuable to promote". If you always go above and beyond, not only you might find yourself in a situation where you don't get promoted, while the management hires/promotes someone from their family, you might also be too good at your current position to be promoted. After all, where are they going to find another hard working nice guy that always goes above and beyond? They promote you, and the next guy just does his job and maybe sometimes goes that extra mile... if he ever feels like it. They'll keep you down and only think of the consequences when you quit.
Not too valuable to give a damn raise though. There's no excuse.
Happened to me, asked for a sharp raise in line with the work done, they say no, I walk away, a year later the project closed... I was surprised it collapsed that quick
People want discounted labor and then get angry that they get discounted labor quality.
exactly
"Quiet quitting", a.k.a. "doing exactly what you're being paid to do". 🙃
As per your contractual obligation via employment contract lol. It's like these people forget that a contract is a legal agreement. "I will perform this job description for this pay".
I've been "quiet quitting" for a while and still testing the waters where it takes me. It doesn't mean I am lazy, mind you. But I basically get paid from 9 to 5 and that's when I stop working. Back in the day I would sometimes still pump out 1 or 2 extra hours each day. The thing is, nobody ever thanked me for it. My boss didn't even register how hard I worked, because he went home before me. So he didn't even see I was working my ass off, just that the work somehow got completed. So I changed tactics: I work less - in the sense that I don't work unpaid extra hours. And I complain more how hard the work is, that it's not doable in the allotted time etc. So far, seems to work, the company is looking for additional help. Also, in my "free" time I haven't been idle, but I started working on myself and my career. I now use the 2 extra hours I freed up each night to get some learning done, and I already have one additional Linux engineering certification under my belt. That didn't (yet) pay out, but I am pretty sure it will help me when I decide to go for another position or renegotiate my salary when the time comes.
All the best man! It's a win win as far as I see
But why did you work 2 hours unpaid? Don’t make sense.
"Quiet quitting" would be looked at differently if everyone doing it, would state that they are using their freed-up time to better themselves and their skills. From what I have seen, the ones posting videos don't really ever talk about improving themselves. But that is the thing, people think doing or learning new things at work is only for the betterment of the company, no you are bettering your real-life work experience, to make you look better for a better job at "hopefully" a better company. Also, can't be mad at your boss for leaving early or at a specific time, when or if you ever take his spot you would have the chance to do the same. That is a perk of bettering yourself for you and even for the company.
@@user-qr4ey3xv4j Nah I am not mad at my boss for that, I just wanted to illustrate that I trapped myself in a toxic mindset. I wanted to prove myself, was motivated and thought that the extra hours would later on pay dividends. But that was a false perception because the extra effort didn't even register with the higher ups. At least for me, it was a whole package of different factors: I was new, I wanted to prove myself, and I was really on board with the company's mission. And, of course, my employers didn't complain about the extra hours. I was never forced, mind you. My boss also always said to just get the work done, he doesn't care if I fuck around 90% of the time as long as the work gets done. Sounds good, doesn't work if the workload is high enough. So overtime was not enforced, but encouraged. All of that combined led to a mindset that made me believe I was not working hard enough, that I had obligations to the company and colleagues and so on. Took me time and growing up to realize that.
Smart man. Did something similar at the job I just quit. Studied and passed my Professional Engineering exam which will have a payout when I get my license next year. Company wasn't allowing me to work on what I initially interviewed for and what I repeatedly requested. They kept telling me I had to get better at the menial, endless tasks that they forced upon me and even said that it is my job description now. Yea fuck no. Studied and passed the test and immediately started looking elsewhere. Start my new job on Monday and I'm taking all of my experiences and the advice from this community with me to all future jobs going forward. They will literally use you for all you're worth and then act like you're not performing to standard. I was literally doing the job of multiple people. They fired the guy who was helping me because they didn't like him. The Texas Unemployment Workforce Commission even scolded our HR department and my manager for firing him because he had over 20 years of experience with NO incidents or write-ups until we fell under the new manager. 5 months later he is methodically getting fired after being intentionally set up to fail by giving him assignments he didn't know how to do with quick deadlines and not offering any assistance. The shit manager even told me "don't help him out when he asks for help". Fucking evil. I'm running the SECOND I notice toxicity like this in the future. (In case any were wondering, I definitely helped out my partner. We were in the ringer together and let each other know when the manager was slandering the other.)
I prefer Act your Wage over quiet quitting. Many years ago I went above and beyond at a job, shifted a ton of work out of our backlog, and broke a metric record for most work done in one day. Brought it up in a 1:1 with the Team lead a few days later and got a blank look- not so much as a 'Good job' for the effort. Suffered a nasty tendonitis flare up for all the time spent at the computer too. Never bothered to work that hard ever again. Instead, its easy enough to stay in the top half or top third of performers. And job jumping is a guarantee of a pay raise, whereas staying in a company is not.
My sister went above and beyond for the company she worked for, she then got a job related injury and the company went above and beyond to rid of her.
I did something that saved my company thousands of dollars a month. When management was patting me on the back, I asked if it would be reflected in my paycheck. They laughed. I never did anything extra again. They aren't around anymore.
Good.
That will teach them.
Funny, i did the same thing, saving a costly mistake and probably an entire contract with a big company... never got a raise, so i stop caring... They close business 3 months later...
@@jessikapiche6097 They keep telling us that capitalism is super efficient, but I think that's one more talking point that does better in theory than in practice. Companies rarely do what's in their financial best interests. There's too many other personal and factional motivations mixed in. A rational actor would make sure you had every reason to keep looking out for the company, and a pay raise is the easiest form for that to take. But nah...
A person I know caused an $18,000 loss for a company but still got paid at the end of the week, so it happens both ways, anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything
@@sourabhps Why do you think anecdotal evidence is meaningless?
I stopped "overinvesting" in my job when I saw several coworkers not being recognized for their extra work. Now I have no regrets or expectations from my employer and saved myself from disappointment.
Exactly, because an investment without a return is a bad investment.
(And i do consider eternal return, but i don't use that to excuse earthly greed and dishonorable actions)
"Quiet quitting" is my favorite meme. The haters don't realize that the DEFINITION of "quiet quitting" according to the CEOs and upper management interviews you posted, is JUST DOING THE JOB and not answering emails after hours when you're an hourly employee. That's why it's just so delicious. Everyone that's mad thinks it's about being lazy. Nope. These managers are complaining about not being able to steal employees' time.
It's a phrase, not a word.
Depends on the industry.
i always thought quiet quitting was people leaving their positions without notice. ya know, "no call no show."
Well said!
Employers get what they pay for😎😎😎😎
Great Video.
And for those that don't believe nepotism exists....
It took our Director of IT 10 years of hard work, working weekends, extra late hours and 6 promotions to get Director in our US Office.
Meanwhile our CEO hired his daughter straight out of college. She made Director in 18 months and gets to work in the London Office - paid relocation.
Nepotism at it's finest.
sweet, does the CEO own the company as well? Guess her daughter will be next in line to be the CEO thereafter. Or if the company got bankrupt, he gets to work as a CEO instead for another company.
Yeah, I've seen that happen over and over again. Even when you are an employee (which I am) you should always be loyal to yourself, not to the company.
I am discouraged worker exactly because of this plague afflicting corporate jobs. I am pretty good at what I am doing, but the managers keep me as contractor so they get a cut of my billing from the vendor while their friends and relatives are made FT with full benefits. Unfair world and I dont want to bust my rear knowing that I will not be rewarded....
@@natejenkins2647 now is NOT the time to start a family. A global economic collapse is starting so please do NOT get any girl pregnant, use protection and give her birth control. You need very good constant steady income for several years before planning a family. Wait till at least 35-40 years old before considering marriage and family. Young people dont understand yet the full hard times coming
@@rejectionistmanifesto8836 This is my plan, i'm 23
"Work your wage" I like that better than "quiet quitting" for what I'm witnessing. When you realize you are actually overqualified and being blocked from reaching your potential and growing, time to relax and start applying for jobs that can meet you where you are, or where you want to be. It's not lazy, it's working hard setting goals and boundaries!
They deserve to lose talent they don't invest in. It's like they're just collecting pawns and tools and have them rot in a shelf somewhere, without maintenance.
You teach people how to treat you and those people learn very quickly. For example: are you the employee who comes in early, stays late, covers for your teammates, gives up your weekends, runs around like a crazy person? Well, your fellow teammates have observed this and will let you pick up all the slack while they coast. You know who else notices? Your manager. They will now assign you more widgets because you're the only one worrying yourself sick about getting them done. If you think for one minute that you should keep giving your soul to the company you work for, hoping that one day they will approach you and say " My gosh, we are so very sorry we have let you kill yourself working so hard for us without being fairly rewarded, here is a raise, bonus and retroactive pay", if you're thinking that will happen, get your head examined quickly.
Your statement is so true. The time you start a job is the time to set expectations.
People always say to work hard and be noticed to be rewarded. But if you are noticed, it's not in a good way. They notice they can take advantage of you.
I think another nuanced problem as well is that some people never ask for a raise. You need to push a little to get what you want. If even after explaining to management why you deserve more, and you don't get it: time to quiet quit.
Very true
Have seen with one of my co-workers
Poor girl does so much
She's getting paid 18k rupees per month here in india
@@jasonfrederick5210 Here's the issue: at way too many places merely asking for a raise will get you on the chopping block.
Quiet quitting is not about being lazy or doing no work. Its basically realizing your company doesnt value you, and you may as well give 75% vs 110%
I disagree. You give 100% while you're there, meaning you handle 100% of your duties, then you leave for home and home it is, not a "remote office". The term was poorly chosen. You're doing 100% of your job, given a 40 hour work week. Don't take work home, don't stay late. Not 38 hours, not 44 hours. And home is home. That's still 100% of your job.
@@datroof2262 i think op is referring to 75% of effort possible, not 75% of work you’re supposed to be doing.
Nope it's just you do the job they hired you for, that's it no more.
@@bigalbbq8483 my job wants me to come to work on time. I'm a tow truck driver who work 12hr shifts 5 days a week and 2 nights out the week I'm on call. Meaning I don't go home at night and work my full 12hr shift the following day. I only get paid commission only so there's a lot of hours where I'm sitting around not doing anything.. not getting paid but I'm obligated to be there.
I recently had a meeting with my boss and manager. I told them, "my time is important to you and it's even more important to me. If I'm going to be sitting around for hours not making any money throughout the day I'm just going to decide to take an hour or a half at the beginning of the day to myself".
My schedule is 10am - 10pm. I have no personal life many businesses don't open until 9am and are closed by the time I get off. I have literally 1 day to conduct all personal business as I'm off on Sunday and Monday
@@bigalbbq8483 yea what i mean is 75% of your max effort. Enough to get your work done,on time, and with good quality, maybe get a head start on other things but DEF none of this go above and beyond every day for every task when they sure as shit dont pay you that kind of wage
Being personable and friendly with management is worth way more than working above and beyond unfortunately just how it is
My dad always said, "It's not What you know, but WHO you know". I suspect it's true.
"Don't expect to get everything handed to you" is exactly what you should tell companies who expect their employees to go above and beyond all the time with no reward
Them: This is "at will" employment meaning we can fire you for any reason at any time.
Me: Walks out
Them: WAIT YOU HAVE TO GIVE US 2 WEEKS FIRST!!!
This is my notice that for the next two weeks I will be doing F-all.
In case anyone wonders: In "at will" states, you do NOT have to give two weeks notice.
@@fisheyenomiko You also don't have to give notice in other states.
Over the next two weeks, you're going to notice that I no longer work here.
Two weeks notice in the USA across all 50 states and territories is a mere social courtesy. Not a legal requirement. It's like tipping, not actually legally required. Ironically though about tipping, despite the low "tipped wage" it is ALWAYS the employers responsiblity to "make up" any lost difference between that and 7.25 an hour so it works out to at minimum 7.25 an hour. In practice though most tipped employees make more than 7.25 an hour from tips.
A better example of quiet quitting in retail was what i did. I never ignored a customer and always went above and beyond to help. But my job was also to clean the entire store by myself. At first, i went above and beyond every night when no-one else did. But as the responsibilities started piling on, i dropped them. I started working at a chill pace like everyone else.
Funnily enough, i was bad at quiet quiting. At my fastest, i worked at the speed of 2+ people. At my slowest, i was still more productive than anyone else in the store.
Let me give my example of how i quiet quit. When i was working at circle k back in 2019, i was literally the best worker there. I did everything a good night shift did, while also doing the work of other employees (because night shift takes blame if something isnt done). So when the other night shift quit, i was the only one doing night shift and was working 6 days a week. The problem came if someone tried to call out. If someone calls out, you are responsible for calling all your coworkers to see if they can take the shift and i would 7/10 take their shifts. After a year of this crap, and not one single raise because i didnt interact with my boss at all. I stopped taking extra shifts, i stopped doing other workers work like cleaning bathrooms, and i stopped stocking the cooler even though those weren’t my jobs. I stuck to MY job description because i was going above and beyond and come to find out i was the lowest paid employee there even with night differential. Because i never interacted with my boss and my coworkers did. My coworker who worked there 3 months less got promoted to shift lead and made $3 more than me.
Common night shift dilemma, blame the person you never see. When you are busy and have to deal with everything the day shift didn't do. Also had the pleasure of having a spy sent to my shift. My night shift crew was highly trained as I can't hold their hand, but also made it clear what my aspections were what needed to get done. Got done early cool, idc chill on your phone, just don't do it on camera.
@@jasonmajere2165 sounds about right when I did security. Just don’t let people see you on you phone and your fine. Lol
I feel like half these people are just mad that they didn’t have the self awareness to recognize that they were being taken advantage of when we do. Oh well
I agree. They're bitter criticizing people as lazy when it's really we work smarter not harder if we won't be rewarded or paid more for it. We learned we're taken advantage of and continuing to make these corporations rich while we burn out. The older generation learned that loyalty and hard work didn't pay off.
I'm 57. What you are saying is true. There is no loyalty. Don't drink the corporate Kool-Aid. Going above and beyond just gets you more work.
Loyalty exists but it isn't obtained through hard work or in fact work of any kind at all.
Loyalty can be found when people get tested: you have a problem and you can't respect your job's parameters for a limited time. Managers that understand and disregard usual requirements for the sake of "being people" can expect some amount of loyalty. Those that punish should not.
The more trust is built between two individuals the more loyalty can be obtained. Even if such a loyal manager were to be given orders to fire you, they would still do their best to speak on your behalf, give you a heads-up and give you excellent referrals and any benefits they can upon exit.
Such people are as rare as rubies.
Also these idiots don't seem to realize going above and beyond makes you are a target. I've had so many managers target me for going above and beyond because they see me as a threat I actually think it's a detriment to most people's careers. It's happened in fact for almost every job because a lot of these managers are screw ups ( one forgot to lock the store up at night and began making false allegations against me after he noticed the owner praising my work ). Another job as a bookkeeper i was targeted by a co-worker who went so far as to physically alter my files. I've seen it happen to countless others as well. People who go the extra mile are the number one target for sycophantic, incompetent managers and it's almost impossible to prove.
Something like the nail that sticks out attracts the hammer.
I'd like to add to that the fact that if you work hard, then the manager won't need that many employees thus his pay/bonus will decrease. The more employees he has the better for him. That's why at some Companies they don't implement things that would speed up/decrease the workload. Plus the other employees will hate your for making them look bad and thus possibly giving them more work as well.
So frickin true
I agree with Joshua 100%. I was also first deluded, when I joined KPMG as an auditor, thinking hard work, grinding, staying late and performing at maximum would get me ahead. I was completely and utterly wrong. Some idiots I worked with would never work hard, they would just do the bare minimum and leave work after 8 hours, they got easily promoted whereas I didn't. Turns out their managers liked them more, they were buddy-buddy and hung out often during after work drinks having 'fun'. Moreover they had easier clients as well. I had complex clients, demanding and when things became difficult, the racist manager I was working for never took any accountability, this ego centric prick simply blamed it on the associates doing the field work in his report to the director. No honest communication, no real support, no mutual encouragement and development. This was such a fake, toxic environment. It's eat or be eaten.
Long story short, there are others who were in my position too. I now regret wasting my time for that company. Instead I should have worked on myself, learnt maybe new skills and tried to start my own ventures online, or something. There is no way I will ever be financially independent by slaving away for another company, hoping they will acknowledge my existence. It feels so undignified.
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Josh, I respect you because you're down to earth. You understand how things work in the real world for most people.
I work as a laborer. When they had an opening in the payroll department, I have an education in accounting, I applied for the position. Not only did I not get called for an interview, they hired someone externally. They were suppose to hire internally first. So my devotion as a laborer. until my chance came to climb the ladder, didn't mean a thing to them. So now I just do my job, nothing more or less. I don't like that mentality; however, they let me know that there is no climbing the ladder for me. I don't take it personally. My labor is just a transaction. Nothing more, nothing less.
That makes me angry 😠 . I had that happen to me once when I wanted to move from an admin position to IT and I was told that it would be “too large” of a pay raise. So you can hire someone else from outside who doesn’t know the company systems but you can’t give a good employee a promotion? F- you!
If they saw that you're very good in your current position, they would be stupid to put you in a different position where you might not be that good. Plus it might be harder to find someone to replace you than to find someone in the payroll department.
I’m wondering is the pay that you’re currently getting better than what it would have been? Also if you can’t get a better job elsewhere,
@@adjcsee4476 that did cross my mind, about the pay. Right now there are massive labor shortages in my area and we're losing employees left and right. I never planned on staying with this company, even though I have spent 13 years there so far. If I had been able to work myself up the ladder I may have considered in staying. I give myself another year and will look elsewhere. A change is always good from time to time. They've lost a lot of skilled and well educated laborers in return for lesser experienced and educated people who got a red carpet to their nice office jobs. When a company doesn't view their employees as part of their investment it's safe to say they're not sailing in the right direction. Btw, a coworker who also worked labor had a Masters in economics. When he applied for a position which would have benefited from his education, and he too wasn't called for an interview, he quit and went elsewhere. And that was after years of him working in labor.
@@sebastienbolduc5654 that’s rough man. And I understand what you mean. I did security for 8 1/2 years and the year COVID happened I was going to quit and totally screwed any chance of me leaving 2020, 2021, and part of 2022. I only managed to quit because I moved states.
It was a breath of fresh air. My company sucked and didn’t do anything good. The schedulers had no idea what the work sites looked like or anything. So they’d give a horrible explanation of what it looked like or the job actually was.
"When they pretend to pay you, you also pretend to work".
Hard work is mostly rewarded with more hard work.
Yep 👍 if you want something to get done give it to the busy guy
I learned this in a hard way during my 20s. The faster that you were the more job that they gave you. They were never that fast when you asked for compensation.
Lol reminds me of what my dad told me when he was in Soviet Engineering corps. One of the troops asked his commander "What if they don't pay us?". Commander: "They pretend to pay us, we pretend to dig"
Work smart, don't work hard. If you do work hard, your only rewards are what you set up for yourself: proficiency in something, successfully building something and then carrying that knowledge to your resume and next job.
I think it all depends on your situation. If your bosses will reward hard work "quiet quitting" is really dumb. If your bosses will just abuse you and not reward hard work, you might as well leave that place for one that will.
Going above and beyond only increases expectations. If an employer sees you performing at a sprinting pace, they will always expect you to go at that pace. At any moment you try to slow down and take a breath, they'll say that you're "underperforming". This is especially true working in tech.
YUP
Very true I work on tickets all the time and if I finish eight tickets in one day they'll expect that every single day so no I always Pace myself
So true, the MSP I work at implemented a hot seat program where a technician fields all incoming calls for the day and I had racked up a lot of calls. I prioritized contractual clients as it seemed logical and a penny pinching non-contractual client whined about their call taking a long time. So there I was surrounded by a small dicked manager, another manager and the owner and nobody had my back. My loyalty for years and rockstar status meant nothing. Now I kill my case queue and since my case count is low, they keep trying to assign me cases of less knowledgeable technicians or one pathological liar who was hired about a year and a half ago.
Today's favor becomes tomorrow's expectation. All going above and beyond does most of the time these days is make your CEO more money while you get more work.
In my experience, I’ve worked at a job for 13 years. I’ve learned and done things that were not stipulated in my contract in to earn a supervisor position one day. A few years later the position came up but the selection process was being delayed. When I’ve realized they were training up other candidates and they were getting noticed meanwhile I was being kept busy but not seen by the store manager. I was passed over promotion and was “promised “ another position next year 😂😂ve quiet quitted right then and there. 2 months later found a better career and been happy ever since
I work 7-4 and that is. In mid mid 50’s now spend my entire adult life after university working all the time for “the man” and ended up with a heart attack, ruined health and mentally tired. Quit , sold my house, move to a quiet little place and relaxing now. I live close to where I work so I can walk, do my job quietly with no stress and enjoy my life now. No more destroying myself for a corporation that just out to suck everything out of me. Less money but also less wasting money on junk I really don’t want or need.
What career field are you in? I ask because I am a young adult trying to figure out what may work for me career-wise
@@airari24 I was in IT for 25 years, I found a job in a small family business where I moved. Very different but relaxing and no stress
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Hey Josh I work as a Amazon driver when I first started here I would bust my butt doing 30-40 stops an hour where as the rate Amazon asks for is 20, I did that for a whole year thinking I would get a promotion and got nothing not even an acknowledgement from my boss so now they get 20-25 an hour
In real world 9 of 10 cases. You got promotes cause playing office politics not because what you achieve
I just found this guy and wow, he’s saying everything I’ve felt and seen for 15 years, keep it up mr fluke
I went above and beyond for 3 years getting employee of the month several times and having the most tickets completed and issues resolved out of 30 people. This was for computer work. Yet, time after time after time. People who watched youtube or facebooked all day and did the min requirement (20-30 tickets) vs the 60-80 tickets I was doing. Would get promoted. Crazy. I LITERALLY COULD SEE THEIR SCREENS ON FACEBOOK OR TH-cam FOR 6-7 hours A DAY. THEN THEY WOULD GET PROMOTED. no exaggeration. After I voiced my concerns by submitting an HR complaint and going the right way. I had one of the owners come up and address me and tell me there was nothing he could do about it. Then I told him to f off and then I quit.
sounds like you became to valuable where you are
You were too good at your job so they wanted you there.
Something similar happened to me. A manager wanted to take me in his department and the general manager refused because I was too good on my curent job...Finally, another manager asked for me and GM approved it. I think they knew I would leave the company if I wouldn't get a promotion.
I feel sorry for the girl that has my old job now, she is as miserable as I was...
How could an owner say there was nothing he could do? Isn't he the fucking owner? lmao
Perverse incentives all around
Sounds like nepotism going at your workplace to me.
At my old job, when I was the new guy, I definitely went above and beyond more often than not. I talked to a senior manager one day and asked why his store numbers were never above or below expectations even tho i knew he was a badass salesman. He sat middle of the pack consistently. He said because if you put in too much effort too long at this career, then they will expect that to be the norm instead of something to celebrate. They will expect you to continue doing better then average so the people at the bottom don't look as bad. Thank god I don't work there anymore.
I agree, it is sad that he said that.
I always try to create a situation where people working hard get more.
Happened to me too. There was this guy who worked days, mostly. He had all the contacts, people knew him, he joked with the brass...
I had the support of my immediate superior, who was retiring, my boss, and the crew I worked with. I worked nights, weekends, holidays. I worked well beyond of what was expected of me. Longer hours, covering shifts, covering the time off people wanted to take, covering sick days. Never messed up. On the up and up, so to say.
In the end who got the promotion? Can anyone guess?
My second runner-up left after a few months to persue other opportunities. I stayed and now work for a guy with the biggest list of fuck ups in the company, but the bosses there knew him and were on the first name basis.
In the end they didn't even listen to my superior, a man they held in high esteem, who went to bat for me multiple times.
I just do what I have to, not an ounce more. Might be time for me to persue other avenues of employment.
The comment about picking up peoples slack... If they have people all doing their jobs and they have more work then what their job titles and pay require.....then THE COMPANY NEEDS TO HIRE MORE EMPLOYEES!
When is the last time a CEO spent his nights cleaning the toilets and the floors in the office so he could pay people more ?.
They are just lazy.
And to state the obvious if everyone goes and does that, then where is the motivation for the co. to hire anyone they just replaced? The more slack you pick up the more you change the job permanently. The slack picker upper is creating a sh*t job for themselves and if the rest of the team helps them out they are doing the same to themselves
I went above and beyond many times. I offered improvements that would improve the way we work. The outcome? Watching incompetent people getting promoted and running teams whilst taking credit for my work and ideas. And people who worked 'above and beyond' being completely shafted. Nope, not anymore. I do what I have to and go home. I dont owe anyone a thing.
Yep! Use that creative energy to go above and beyond for your own personal projects ✨️
It's a hard lesson learned and really shady when you present something to make things better and then they take credit for your ideas.
You weren’t doing it right, keep doing your best and eventually you’ll get there.
@@kujas oh riiiiight. Silly me.
@@TheFishman3226 I know you’re silly, next time be more productive and do your best.
At my first job I started by going above and beyond, and I enjoyed it. I kept doing more and more, I kept getting asked to do more, I could make it work and I didn't mind, it was all good for a few months. Then paycheck issues arose and I stopped taking on anything new, just doing whatever I was already doing. Then upper management (that never interacted with us lowly grunts) started criticizing me and middle management (who knew me and all that I did) never stuck up for me. And at that point I backed down to what I was hired to do and would only do other things when I was doing literally nothing else. Then a new manager joined and resolved my paycheck issues in 5 minutes, at that point I would make myself sparse so I couldn't even be asked to do anything and would just barely do my job to the point that no one would complain. If the other manager couldn't take 5 minutes out of his schedule to send an email to fix my paycheck then I wouldn't spend 5 minutes to help anything. I watched the spaces around me start to crumble (figuratively and literally) and wouldn't even bat an eye. Then the upper management went on a tirade about me. Made up complete lies about unsafe actions I was taking while operating a forklift (firable offense) and literally demeaned me while doing it. I was let go for "insubordination" because I told her she was wrong and proved how she was wrong. The unemployment checks were nice.
Moral of the story: always do the minimum because management has already found a way to do less than the minimum.
I was shocked by the title, 5 seconds into the video, I get it
You can go above and beyond for decades and get noticed as well but no one from management will ever reward you for it.
Every time I've gone above and beyond I've been rewarded with nothing, being taken advantage of, or fired for no real reason. I prioritize my health and my family now.
After 8 months of working hard I got targeted by few of my colleagues and two managers. I spoke to my Boss about it and this made things even worse. All I wanted is some understanding and maybe a change. Apparently I feel like everybody hates me for speaking my mind, I never said a word to any of my colleagues. I don’t like dramas and attention but now I’m punished for being a god worker as well as being honest. Three weeks ago I become an employee of the week and this made my haters hating me even more. A week ago I gave my leave notice and can’t wait to stop going there. A had few red flags about the toxicity of this place at the very beginning, always listen to your intuition. I can’t believe what twisted world we live in. Bad people gang up and do what ever it takes to push you down. What is the funniest thing of them all is that I never liked this job, since day one I’ve been studying and developing new skills so I can find a better job. Mean while the haters at work think I want to be always the “best” . Toxic people that stay at same job for years are useful idiots brainwashed to believe that the work place and company is loyal to them. I can’t believe how braindead some people are. And guys we are talking about distribution centre job 😂😂😂
Doesn't surprise me. The prettiest shit goes on at warehouses. Very school like environment. Yes sir. No sir
what skills are you developing if you don't mind me asking?
@@PenNamed I really want to go in to IT or Online Customer Support. First thing I started with is training my Touch Typing. So far I have 50 hours of typing practise and my speed is 70WPM. I started a course for Interpreting, Certificate Principals of Customer Support, currently studying for CamptiaA+ and AWS certification. Also some coding languages.
You are right, listen to your intuition. In those toxic places there is a group of employees of long term that put all their efforts to get rid of those that do not match that toxicity.
@@QwertyUiop-xd8tb amen….you are spot on. Is exactly what is happening. A bunch of old employees, unhappy souls not only lost for the wrong reasons but also emotionally invested for the wrong reasons. I think those type of people are afraid of someone genuine , honest, and hard working swiping them away. And if you think…their matching toxicity is what keeps them in that place. It’s like a nest full of snakes. I feel sad for those type of people, because they are not using their potentially for their own growth and benefit. I have never ever been afraid of moving on, and changing countries, cities, and places looking for my own peace and happiness.
People who go above and beyond are almost never rewarded for it and I'll say that after working years in corporate. It's how you do lose good talent, but I don't think the people who do literally quit really ever reach that level of acknowledgement like getting a star in elementary school most time managers are happy to have you work harder and they take the credit and the bonus that comes with it.
Lol. I work for a tow truck company. A few months ago they fired a guy everybody dreamed as having a bad attitude after 15 years of service.
As he put it, they asked him to work nights temporarily and that then became his permanent position contrary to the original agreement. Over time his attitude became a little more testy. To find balance he kept to himself.
As a new driver I was told to leave him alone. After my second time seeing him I approached him like, "what up dude" he hoped out of his truck and we became trusted coworkers. For context, he's an older white male from WV and I'm a slightly younger black male.
Longer story short, he finally had enough acted out and they fired him.
A few months later I've just recently put in my 2 weeks.
That's more than they deserve. Everybody else seem to just quit outright.
Yup I know that feeling; I've done it in the restaurant industry for a very long time. Finally managed to get an Assistant GM position and I'm doing everything I can to bust my ass and help out with everything like I'm supposed to.
My GM tells me: I'm not doing enough. At that point I gave up, and started working what was expected in the position once they decided to hire another Assistant GM and demote me to shift lead (in turn decreasing my pay as well). Mind you, I made them RUN OUT of the Salmon Dish (one of the pricier entrees in the spot) 2 weeks after I started... the amount of money I probably made them in that time was probably ludicrous
I left shortly after and found a job with CBI Security now. Where merit literally means everything.
It's called the Peter Principle. You'll never be given a promotion if you pose a threat to their job. "Hey, how come the newbie can do your old job of 40 hours a week in 20?" Those words have never been spoken due to our good old friend, Peter. LOL
@@halohawkxx reading your comment was inspiring and good for you leaving to a better opportunity. That hit me reading how you made them a ludicrous amount of money. I feel the same and most aren't rewarded by their merit nor valued/compensated for their hard work. We're making these companies record profits while being grossly taken advantage of.
@@youtubehatestruthtellers8065 hopefully that man ended up somewhere better.
There's a difference between working hard and being taken advantage of. If your employer just want your effort for free then they are the lazy and selfish ones.
These people are maniacs, Walmart does not pay their staff to memorize the layout of the entire store, they don't even pay enough to cover the labor required to operate the store, let alone to render every employee a dedicated customer service rep.
If you want personalized service, go hire a lawyer or commission an art project, don't wander into a big box store and then freak out because the short term, minimum possible pay workers are not able to lead you around like some kind of idiotic tour guide.
if you want to know where something is ask a girl. They might just have a heart & try to direct you in the right aisle.
If you ever worked at Walmart you'll know they don't train you. Layout? Back room? Top shelf? You'll learn those by having management yell at you
@@1439315 knowing the right aisle for a given kind of product is very different from memorizing the entire inventory and specific layout of the ever-changing *big* box store, which is what Karen in the beginning was looking for. 'Above and beyond' and all that
@@dabirdalton Sure they provide one, but when I worked there I was never taught how to use it other than "scan that barcode there"
Not to mention that fact that new products are stocked constantly, because, you know, it's retail. I was listening to that complaint in disbelief. The funnier aspect is I bet the know it all doesn't know every single thing about the company they work for unless they are self employed. That's why they have a specific position. Why is a retail worker expected to do more, be more responsible then they would want to be at work?
I always at every job went above and beyond and was absolutely NEVER rewarded. Not only that, they expected 100% and when I would give 100% they would be like: Amazing! Now give more! Give us 130% because you can do it! No bonus, no thank you no nothing but a burn out.
PREACH!
I worked a job where as a teamlead none of my peers did their duties listed out in the contract. So effectively if you only do what the job description says, you’re doing more than most of your peers. What’s worse is if you stop, you can be written up, all the while seeing your peers do less than half the work. Factories suck.
I used to always be one of the hardest workers and 99% of the time it just netted me extra work over everyone else everyday and it went this way at multiple companies.
I commented on the last quiet quit video...I am one of those "quiet quitters." Left my job of 5 years after pouring in effort day after day, never seeing an increase in my pay (which was production based), and the final straw was when I learned that the company was taking 25% of the jobs install pay (skilled trade) to pay the new hires who were making an hourly wage, but we (the installers) were told we would make 100% of the pay for whichever jobsite we were on...Long story short, someone mentioned having enough money to pay the bills and so on...I am a single father in an urban area. I receive less than $100 per month in child support payments from the mother who hasn't put an effort into seeing her emotionally damaged son in over 10 years of his 15 years of life. Notice the price of gas lately? Groceries? If you think it's okay to make the bills and have nothing left, good on you, but here, there is no room for error in the budget. Money doesn't get wasted on frivolity, it is spent trying to better our lives. I didn't have the benefit of parents who paid my way through college, bought my first car or set up a trust...I have worked to the bone for all that we have. I am worth more than $14 per hour to install fiberglass insulation...crawling through attics and crawlspaces...climbing 3-4 sections of scaffolding that OSHA would have shut down because the pieces were mismatched and the safety rails no linger fit. Going home and scrubbing my skin with a fingernail brush in a cold shower every day...these are reasons I left my job of 5 years. This is what a quiet quitter looks like. hard working individuals whose worth is never valued.
You're correct! People misinterpret the term as "lazy" when most workers aren't willing to go above and beyond working hard for greedy companies who don't value or compensate their hard work.
Sorry to hear your struggle, I to work in construction right out of high school no dad or anyone to Gide me I was brought to the United States of America at the age of 2 years old illegally had no say in the matter I grew up with very low expectations of the pay and work I can get, at times I was shamed and treated worst than you can imagine, I never let those employers put me down I kept my head down worked hard every day regardless someone always noticed and I would get offers to be someone’s helper because I was the best help you can find. All a long studying the game Learning, taking in all the info possible even. After 6 Years I became a master of my trade I have been working in construction for 20 years now a few years ago I was able to fix my immigration status, soon as I did I got my contractors license and i now own a company with over a million dollars in sales for the last two years. I wouldn’t have got were I am at now if I did the quiet quitting thing all y’all talking about
@@rlr8189 First of all, congratulations! That, in itself, is quite a feat! That said, it isn't something everyone can do, takes money to make money when you go solo. I didn't have the luxury of growing up in the industry, actually, I spent years in the Army straight out of high school. Not many jobs outside of security or law enforcement for an Airborne Infantryman. I recently went back to school though, and have learned a new trade, and am currently in the process of opening my own photography studio. I hope I have as much success as you have had!
@@wobblinbob Hey brother Thank you for your service and bravery, there is not much advice I can say to a braver man than me, hope you are proud of the service you gave, keep working hard don’t ever look to what your neighbor is doing better or not doing keep focus no matter what the pay is just place your self in position to acquire the most knowledge possible and always walk through life with a end goal
I can guarantee you that the people complaining are not the type to go above and beyond. I can confidently say that because if you are the type who have gone above and beyond, then you know that the only two things you get from it or more work from management and the resentment of your colleagues.
Truth!
I used to go above and beyond at my previous job. You know, young, passionate, wanted to help the company grow so the the company could help me grow. Worked 2-3 more hours each day, also on weekends without any day offs for two years in a row. But i didnt even get a thank you, let alone a raise. This was now expected of me, so when i finally refused to work on weekends my manager went crazy (no one else did it, just me). I said fuck it and transferred to another department. Guess what? They finally had to hire THREE new people to do the job that i did and each of those three earned more than me. Apparently i was the only idiot to believe this above and beyond crap. Never again though. You get what you pay for.
Ever since I first started working in corporate, I realized somebody is keeping the ship moving because so many people are doing the bare minimum. I didn't realize that later on the reason why people are doing the bare minimum is because they found out that doing the most equated to almost the same amount is doing the least.
I'm impressed with your constructive responses to criticism. Many people struggle to respond without getting defensive and insulted. As for "quiet quitting", I think it's a fantastic concept with an unfortunate name that is ripe for misinterpretation. Thanks for your helpful insights on the phenomenon!
I was very engaged at a job for almost 20 years. Volunteered for extra work, was a lot more productive than almost everyone. It got me very little in return. I ended up disengaging, did the bare minimum and left. Quiet quitting is nothing more than disengaging from a miserable situation, and if a person gets to that point, it's time to go.
I work in a small company who's boss is the kind that practices a technique I call "Don't breath and they won't notice me". When I first entered the company 5 years ago I'd go above and beyond to be noticed, work extra unpaid hours, and even invested my free time to develop the first stages of an app that would make our products visible in 3D and even AR for clients, allowing them to choose the characteristics of the product to their liking. Well, my boss not only shunned down my idea but some time later literally stole it from me to get a government's grant for "innovation". From that day on I decided I'd do the bare minimum and thanks to covid I managed to convince him to allow me to work remote every afternoon, which I usually don't even work unless there's urgent work to do. Also, my salary has been frozen since before covid; this year we're definitely going to get record profits and nothing will change despite massive inflation.
I feel your pain, did something similar and had a similar outcome
They stole your product and you didn't get any compensation, and you are begging them to let you work from home?
Apparently I’ve been doing this for years. I want to hike mountains and make art and go on long drives with my mornings and evenings, and if I don’t even get anything extra for using that time to arrive early and stay late… why would I?
I’m still one of the most applauded employees at my job, but everyone knows that at 5 o’clock, I’m gone, I’m off grid, and I’m not working anymore till tomorrow.
I just thought that was called healthy boundaries.
People working the hardest don't always get rewarded. I have seen people who suck up to the bosses get rewarded much better without doing much work. And the hard worker keeps getting more work.
Saw and witness that first hand! I had been applying for a level 2 position for about 6 months in my company. Then a lazy ass comes along, kisses ass with management and within 2 months gets that level 2 position! After that I stopped and just did the bare minimum
100% agree. I don't want cake in the breakroom, I don't want my employer to give their idea of 'work life balance', I don't want stupid trophies, or to hear about anyone's pronouns or how the company values diversity.
I want to maximize income and minimize my time/effort and headaches.
as a future business owner, I hope my employees never feel like they are not appreciated and this channel has really helped me open my eyes to what to incentivize them with.
The hell of it is, it's not even really that hard to get right. If you hire somebody for tasks A, B and C, keep them doing tasks A, B and C, and don't start demanding they also do X and Y without compensating them properly for it. Further, if they _do_ manage X and Y as well, make sure you notice it and offer them that extra compensation for adding X and Y to their workload.
See, sounds like common sense, don't it?
*Quiet quitting affecting the team workload* => No. If that is happening long term, then the company is understaffing because it relies on the workers to put in extra time that they shouldn't have to. The concept of using the overall workload (based on what the employer / boss provides as the workload) as a justification against quiet quitting is a recipe for disaster. Short term, exceptions can be chosen to be made. Long-term, employers can take advantage of the situation and increase the workload because they know you'll think more about impact upon the co-workers.
At the start of COVID, my company had lay-offs and my group's staffing was never restored afterwards because we all put in an effort to focus on the workload instead of our hours, which resulted in 60 hours per week. The focus the company took for the layoffs were salary driven so they could layoff $X amount of salaries (i.e. not quiet quitters). With 60+ hour work-weeks, we were able to try to hold our heads above water. Now, we have other groups in the company which are working fewer hours, getting more people for staffing because they are sticking closer to 9 to 5.
It's the boss / employer who should be evaluating the team workload and making sure the team has appropriate coverage. If they refuse to do so, people need to evaluate how they are going to respond to that and they should not be shamed for choosing to work just the hours they are paid for.
I think the subreddit antiwork is a huge reason people associate things like quiet quitting with just being entitled and lazy.
it's more the CEOs and mainstream media using small examples of bad behavior as the rule rather than the exception they are.
Perception is reality unfortunately
You send _ONE_ dog walker with an unmade bed on Fox news and all of a sudden _YOU'RE_ what's wrong with "kids these days"
@@godforreal7355 People don't watch the news to be informed, they watch it to be told what to think.
@@godforreal7355 I honestly don’t think that person-kin was a bad representation tbh.
I am Gen X and I literally agree with you 100%. Anyone trying to "shame" you with stupid labels is ONE downturn away from saying exactly what you are saying. To me, those label type personalities are way more entitled than any quiet quitting shaming label they choose to throw at you. Keep up the good fight, because workplace narcissists have created this crap work environment, we all must now work in. I have worked as a Senior Director, then got laid off all the way back down to entry level in a new industry due to ageism blacklisting. It is a real thing and I have successfully utilized the "use this job to fund your escape" strategy and leap-frog 4 crap jobs back into a six-figure job again in the new industry. I got divorced (eerily similar to you) when I got laid off as she could not tolerate that the lifestyle had to change until I built myself back up again. It took seven long years to get a decent job again. Please don't ever lose hope; I nearly did but there really is light at the end of the tunnel. Thanks for everything you do.
In my experience...if you start off as an eager beaver they expect a yes every time...if you say no...they leave you alone and dont expect more from you...and i learned to say no
I have to admit I have implemented quite quitting at my job and started my TH-cam channel. There is no way anyone at my job could say that I wasn’t working extremely hard as a matter of fact I was the most efficient and consistent worker the company had according to my peers. Unfortunately management hired a lot of people that were not qualified and decided it was my job to pick up their slack. I naturally started quiet quitting because they only applied pressure on me and the other people that worked hard while creating easy assignments for everyone else.
That’s managements problem IMO. Why are they so afraid to fire people? Managers are supposed to hire and fire. Arguably they quiet quit first by refusing to do the hard parts of their job description.
@@ladyeowyn42 you’re exactly right it is managements problem. Unfortunately because they did not handle their business around 20 of the best workers left.
I worked hard as an undergraduate which got me accepted into a top professional school, so in some cases, hard work does pay off. However, that is just one part of the equation. In my professional life, I owned my own business and I also worked for others. As far as my business was concerned-hard work paid off. As far as working for others I would have to say that relational skills were the most important in getting ahead. Those who were liked and made an effort to be a friend of the boss moved further than those who slaved away often to have their work disregarded or the credit for it taken by someone else.
My sister worked in a system that was regulated by an outside agency. She was the head of her department and worked like a slave to improve the poor rating of that department (a mess that happened long before she was employed there). In a couple of years, she was able to obtain a perfect score from the rating agency-a massive accomplishment. Her superiors brought her in the following morning to congratulate her on her amazing accomplishment. That afternoon she was let go due to budget cuts. Can you imagine? She was absolutely devastated. Her situation is not isolated and I have heard similar stories throughout the years.
I'm retired, but I'm fortunate to be able to talk to younger adults and many echo a similar philosophy. They see their parents slaving at a job, working at night and weekends-and they ask, "Why?" Gone are the days when a company was loyal or protected its workers. I'll end with one more story. I knew a man who worked for the big telephone company of the day. His brother unexpectedly passed away within weeks of this man's starting and his supervisor told him to take as much time as he needed to heal. That act of kindness made him incredibly loyal to that company and he worked hard as he felt that the company had his back, so he had the company's back. Over time, the company changed with new management and truly became a horrible place to work. It was famous for making its senior employees' lives extremely difficult, possibly in an effort to get them to quit before they reached early retirement age (and a nice pension). This man's attitude completely changed. He did his job, but no more. His goal was to get to his early retirement and leave the company that he now despised (over 30 years later). I'm happy to report that he did make it to early retirement, but he was nearly destroyed by the company in the process.
Instead of blaming employees companies need to look at why their employees are acting the way that they are. You can't treat someone like a piece of office equipment and then expect them to give their life for the sake of corporate profits. Of course, people should do their job-but not the job of two or three. Young people are savvy and they know that if they don't take care of themselves no one (including their company) will.
Thank you for sharing these stories.
I really appreciate these videos that you do. It lets a lot of us know that we aren't crazy. A lot of us are hard workers and there's nothing wrong with wanting to feel appreciated correctly by not being taken advantage of. For all the people who say that "doing just enough" is bad are really just completely ignorant to how lucky/fortunate they may have had it. I've had some jobs where I was rewarded all the time, and I've had a job that after 8 years of being there, hoping things would change; waiting for that "break" it never happened. It's hilarious to see how some people think "going above and beyond" works 100% of the time - they have this boomer mentality, literal sh** in their brains that they can't clean out because they can't see things differently or see things for what they really are unless it benefits them.
"Your participation trophies don't mean anything"
"You've gone above and beyond for 3 years, and I don't want to pay you more, but there's a participation tro- I mean, there's pizza in the break room"
Maybe the older generations got used to us being happy with participation trophies (Of course we were, we were 5) but now that we're adults, they're upset when we aren't as happy for the same garbage. God forbid we ask for what we're worth
To add on: it's hilarious that they think we want participation trophies in the first place. Dude, the point is that I want you to STOP just giving me goddamn meaningless trophies. Pay me more finally.
lmao reminds me of how my stupid employer thought bringing us all McDonalds breakfast would make us happy; instead of properly staffing us and giving us better pay.
Are you kidding? The older generations got immediate promotions and raises for doing what they now consider “quiet quitting.” That’s why they call us lazy. No point in slaving for no reward.🙄
@@lampario2862 Do you know where war medals come from? They started as gold coins. Officers were favourite picking and all sorts. So, they turned them into commemorative tokens. 'Participation trophies'.
But this is the thing tho *they didn't get just participation trophies, they got raises, promotions and bonuses as well* . Back in those days upward mobility in these companies was genuinely possible with hard work due to the economic prosperity they had at the time, for us that prosperity is largely gone and so are the tangibles that came with the participation trophies. But these boomers are either too out of touch or not willing to accept that their idealism toward working was only possible becuase of prosperity in the past.
Joshua Bro, I understood your point the first time around. You were very clear about the information that you gave. You presented it very well and with supported evidence. Do not worry about these naysayers trying to twist your words. I think they are corporate people trying to troll you. I totally understood what you were saying about quiet quitting. It is about ceasing to go above and beyond when you realize that you have been consistently doing it and your job is taking advantage of you and never rewarding your hard genuine effort. That was very clear and I support you and your argument because I am living proof of constantly being loyal to the job and they keep messing over you and not returning the loyalty you gave them. We all know about all of the prejudices and injustices that go on in the workplace, and to ignore them would be foolish. Keep doing what you do Joshua. Keep telling the truth and don't worry about the naysayers.
I think what a lot of the critics miss about the quit quitters is that many, if not most, have already gone and above and beyond long before deciding it isn't worth it. Favoritism, work place politics, lack of any room for advancement (waiting for someone to die, quit, or retire in flat organizations is a huge issue)- the carrot is so far out of sight, all we can see is the stick.
When I got my first job 13 years ago, my Mother told me "Don't work too hard, or they will start expecting it out of you ever day". I don't think it's wrong to set your own standards with your regular performance. If you want to get promoted and move up in the company, then go above and beyond what is expected of you, but there is no reason to judge others who choose to perform on a standard level. As a manager or supervisor, if you want your employees to all go above and beyond then you must make it worthwhile. Make them want to choose to be all they can be while they are at work. It doesn't have to be a pay raise or a pizza party. Sometimes being a better leader is all people want. Sometimes delegating work appropriately will keep your whole team happy.
As someone who has worked in both retail and customer support for minimum wage, I can say with certainty that we are not paid what we are worth; nor does hard work lead anywhere but the expectation that you continue to give that 150%. It is not rewarded and it doesn't lead to advancement. A company of thousands and there is never a business need that will allow you to advance. Yet what will happen, is you will be asked to train other people, asked to take over calls when other employees are having difficulty, walk the floor to answer digital flags (this is specific to the jobs I have held), and more without a raise or any other form of compensation. When you do this for an extended period of time and finally muster up the courage to go ask for a raise, they say yet again "sorry it's just not in the budget" which is how that conversation will go down every time you approach them. "Quiet Quitting" isn't laziness, it's not, not doing your job. It's simply the realization that the job and ultimately the people who you work for have zero intention/incentive to help you rise. All that extra effort means nothing to them other than free labor and they will get upset if you stop providing it. Quiet Quitting is simply doing your job and nothing more. Today's CEOs are so out of touch with reality they actually believe that we should be happy with the scraps that they are forced to pay us by law. They could give us a living wage and still make 50 million in profit, but they choose not to. The workplace used to have pensions, real ability to work your way up from the bottom. That doesn't happen these days. You have to know someone to get ahead. The only people these CEOs have to blame is themselves. They got too greedy and now they are paying the price. If you want us to come in and give a 150% then it's on you and your company that needs to step up. Treating everyone like they are basically slaves who should be grateful that the master smiled at them and his offered crumbs isn't going to cut it.
@@kylelouthan4759 Your comment is spot on...I agree 100%.
My brother does this. He never goes more than 80% at new jobs, so his improvement over time has more impact. my parents always say he’s doing things wrong, but his constantly increasing pay when he hasn’t got a degree seems to me to prove them wrong lol.
@@kylelouthan4759 I couldn’t agree more. It’s to bad a lot of people believe the “hard work will get you to the top lie” by the time you realize it’s not true you’ve worked at a company 10 years are afraid to change jobs.
Thank you so much for standing your ground and educating people. I actually just walked away from a job and was quite quitting before I found my new one. Imagine spending $10,000+ on Christmas decor, not providing Holiday pay OR providing food to your employees but STILL demanding that they make more money for their company. It's just wild to me. Thank you for everything that you do. I appreciate you 💙💜
Rated a 3 out of 5 on PRODUCTIVITY on the 5 year annual review. IT was BOTH a professional & personal insult. A healthy guy who goes to the gym weekly, eats healthy, NOT married; NO kids who tears it up at work gets insulted this way. NOT long after that i quit with NO notice. They had turnover before i worked at this dpt and i knew it.
They didn’t want to give you the additional 2 points, thus causing you to ask for a raise.
@@soldierz18 Oh i sure as hell knew that on the spot cheap bastards.
Quite a few years ago I changed departments in the company for a higher paying job. I thought working hard and going "above and beyond" was the right thing to do. I was putting in 12 hour days, 6 days per week, with on-call as well. Then when the company had problems and needed to let some people go I was let go. I was shocked, to say the least.
Even though I had been there for 5 years. But because I was the last on (Changing Departments), supposedly, I was the first to go.
Honestly, I should have just been a lazy shit like the others and refused on-call and extra hours or "helping out" by doing extra unpaid hours.
There is a word for what I was doing..."sucker".