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One thing I know from the field that Peter doesn't realize, is that the problem in psychology is just as bad as gender studies. Only it has been going on for 50 years instead of 10 to 20. The problems with psychology are exponentially greater than people think. It's 50 years of building with bullshit, on a foundation of bullshit. Freud was better than what we have today imo.
The problem is many people, because of the known ludicrous idiology of these "Gender Expert" Academics , may not take the much wider problem of just how currupt and broken the peer-review system is as serious;ly as they should. The Replication Crisis that now spans across almost every discipline means a massive majority of research papers can not be replicated. So in the strictest sense are a waste of time and money, and 100% prove how incompetent or corrupt the whole, not just parts, of the system is. It is no less as a scam to keep academics in jobs as any other scam I have ever seen. And good luck finding an honest full disclosure academic / researcher.
Like many I was a researcher, molecular biology to be specific. Even in the more "pure" sciences there is a massive amount of garbage. I left after I realised just how bad it actually was. I went in to quality control in manufacturing after that. A lot less nonsense when you need to make something that performs exactly the same every time, millions of times over.
Academia has been this way for millennia. The differences lie in what comes out of it given any particular culture's values. For example, go to the Middle East and you will find peer-reviewed papers in their top scientific journals proclaiming that one wing of a fly is poisonous and the other is the antidote because it says so in the Quran and to disagree would mean losing everything, maybe even your life in some countries. Enlightenment might be the closest we've come to the acceptable proclamation of differing ideas publicly.
The essence of what he's getting at midway through is this. The point of peer review in science *should be* to check the methodology and reasoning of submitted research. Instead, these journals are "peer reviewing" whether the results are acceptable to their established dogma. They have completely abdicated any responsibility to actual science.
That should be the big take-away from this story although I'm sure most people are just here to stick it to the regressive left. Not the progressive left, the regressive left.
@virginiahobby3726 Grants bring their own corrupting influence. I read an article 20-25 years ago, where a scientist started looking into increased incidences of a rare cloud pattern. It was in his field and it was interesting. Then at the end, he thought it should be further studied because ... it might be related to climate change. Not, "Hey this is interesting. It could help us better understand the world around us." Rather, "How can I tie this to a hot topic with lots of grant money available?" One can see where this is headed. It may be a gradual process, but the "climate change" grant money is going to corrupt the research. Continued funding will require that he find links to climate change. Instead of seeking truth (a deeper understanding of a natural phenomenon) he's going to be seeking continued funding.
I was a philosophy student of Peter. Loved his classes. That was in 2006'ish... before this nonsense surfaced so mainstream. Proud of his work on this stuff.
I was in his science/pseudoscience course in 2018ish. Right when all of this was going on. Really great to get his pov as it was going. Incredible teacher. Best one at the university when he was there
MAN YOU GOT LUCKY !! WE ARE THE SAME AGE AND WE THINK EXACTLY THE SAME , BUT HE IS ON ONE SIDE AND I AM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COUNTRY , DANG IT , WE WERE MADE FOR EACH OTHER AND SEE NO WEDDING RING, , SHOULD I GO GET HIM, KIDNAP HIM, HOG TIME HIM AND KEEP HIM ?? THIS IS ONLY PLACE WHERE I READ PEOPLE LIKE ME BUT WE NEVER MEET , AND WE NEVER WILL! THIS IS ACTUALLY VERY CRUEL !!
The "Prank" was like when investigative reporters showed how inept TSA was at the airport. Were they thanked for exposing the flaws/shortcomings? Hell no. They were villified.
I finished all of my course work for a Master’s Degree and when it came to my thesis, I could not get approval from my advisors to write a paper on my culminating experience because I would not fall in line with their ideologies. So after having worked my way through college, paying my own way, I walked away without a Master’s because I refused to comply. I sleep at night knowing that I did not betray my intellectual integrity. The school was CSUN, 1997. Since then, it’s gotten sooo much worse. Thank you for “punking” those bastards.
@@robertsmall1657I have not (yet.) Thank you for the encouragement! I may just reopen that chapter of my life to finish it MY way. Honestly, your reply made me feel less hopeless. Again, thank you for acknowledging my comment.
I refuse to believe this was a prank! This was a experiment to expose how BROKEN academic peer review process is. This was the biggest story of century and never got the exposure it was deserved.
This is the first time I have heard them describe it as a prank. I guess it was but they for sure set out to expose the insanity. And they succeeded. They will never be forgiven.
Been following Peter since this whole thing started. Those papers legitimately shocked me. I cannot believe I live in a world where a "field of study" fell for something as insane as what they got published
Same. I am old enough that I missed most of this nonsense at university, but only just. Peter, Helen, James, and Jordan Peterson will go down in history as heroes of classically liberal academia.
@@donquijote6030 If you want to see how truly insane the cult can get go and look up what happened at Evergreen in Oregon. Benjamin Boyce who was working there at the time has a great archive of this.
my favorite is how one of the papers was basically sections on mein kampf but rewritten as intersectional feminism and it was accepted by people who, ideologically, are the quickest to call others not zees. The ideological derangement and its metastization in academia is pathetic.
I worked in environmental chemistry, doing research on acid rain. We analyzed 3,000 samples a year for 22 parameters, over 10 years. A meta analysis of that huge database led to a conclusion that contradicted the commonly accepted paradigm. We couldn't get published because the gate keepers had to defend their misconceptions. When so many others confirmed our conclusions, the gate keepers got onboard and claimed they made this discovery on their own. We have never been acknowledged and never received an apology. The circus goes on, and this is in the so-called hard sciences where you're not supposed to be able to game the system.
SOMEONE ALSO STOLE MY WORK, THE LOW DOWN VARMITS !! I AM 75 WITH PhD , NOT BRAGGING , IT TOOK ME MANY YEARS , I DIGRESS, AND OF ALL MY CAREERS, AS THINK I HAVE 49 DEGREE'S ! I WENT TO X-RAY SCHOOL AT 17 IN 1967, WELL WOMEN HAVE SO FEW CHOICES AND BEING MARRIED WITH KIDS , JUST KILL ME , AND ALSO NUCLEAR MEDICINE, AND WE WEAR THESE BADGES THAT ARE TO DETECT RADIATION , AND DEAD HUSBAND USE TO SET UP NUCLEAR POWER CHEMISTRY LABS , CALLED HIM HOMER SIMPSON , SO HAD FRIENDS AS MOHTER EARTH , THAT OLD HIPPY MAGIZINE WHERE I LIVE , ASSVILLE NC ( THEY ARE LYING AND IT IS A SEIGE BUT I DIGRESS AND BODIES FLOATING OUT OF COFFINS AND MY RELATIVES SO JUST A BARREL OF FUN BUT LOW DOWN VARMITS OF LESBIAN BUTCHES , YIKES , SO NOW THE TRULY FAT, UGLY NO PERSONALITIES SO THEY BLAME IT ON ANYONE , WOMEN , WHO DO NOT WEIGH 250 LBS , SO THE BOYS GOT THIS AND ONLY THIS , I JUST GIGGLE AS IN MAN YOU ARE REALLY GOING TO REGRET THIS , I DIGRESS SO THE "FRIEND AND I GOT TO TALKING ABOUT THE RADIATION THAT IS EMITTED HERE BY GRANITE , SO WE DID DIAGRAMS AND MADE MODELS AND EUREKA , WE HAD THE OZONE DETECTOR AND HE NEVER EVER GAVE ME CREDIT AS WITHOUT ME HE NEVER COULD HAVE DONE IT , SO FFF HIM BUT IT WORKED AND IT MADE MONEY, FOR HIS LOW DOWN ARSE!! SO GET IT !!
I understood everything up until the part where "THEY GOT AWAY WITH IT"..? Perplexed. You have DOCUMENTED EVIDENTIAL PROOF. Was litigation out of the question?
@@NotThisShipSister1 It's a rat's nest. They would say they rejected our article because of problems with the statistics - they actually did say that. No prejudice there. As you know, litigation is very expensive. We were a marginally funded, largely volunteer, low-budget operation, struggling to keep going, year after year. In a fair world you would be right. And this is just one example - I could give you many.
*_Albert Einstein REFUSED to participate_* with the notion of "Peer Review." His take, in the 1930s was that peers have *_always_* been able to review an article *_AFTER_* publication. Why give power to a few, *_Hidden_* people who are NOT experts in the narrow topic they are reviewing? This is why *_power_* is such a dangerous thing. A benign ruler can have all the power in the world and everything works well, but they don't live forever. The next guy won't necessarily be as benign. This is why America is *_not_* a democracy; "power TO the people" is only as good as the people are moral and educated. As we saw with the *_Climate-Gate_* fiasco, cliques of "experts" can create a hidden barrier so that certain ideas NEVER make it to publication. Thus, the Logical Fallacy that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" can NEVER be met for ideas the Gatekeepers deem unworthy. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
Yes we never wanted to be the mob rules the rights of the individual was supposed to be as important as the many. Yet it has become exactly what the founders didn't want. Why do we have seatbelt laws in every state because of a small group mothers against drunk drivers. And after it was passed in all states deaths increased in the national highway safety commissions statistics so they changed how they calculated them. 😮😮😮
@patrickday4206 A lot of car improvements are followed by people driving more carelessly. How often are people found asleep or reading behind the wheel of self driving cars? Seat belts do save lives as long as driver behavior doesn't change, but it changed.
@@jamesfowley4114 The reason I will not be comfortable using the self-driving for a long time is because whereas self driving systems generally don't make mistakes (and the amount of mistakes they make will decrease over time), they can be confused by a random stuff humans simply never would. So if I need to watch over the car and be ready to take over anytime, it will be easier to simply just drive it the whole time
The most depressing part of this was the end where Peter points out that these papers had no effect on the new established norm, it's simply too deeply entrenched.
Yep, that’s the leftist utopia that Universities have all become. Let that inform how seriously you might consider the opinions and positions that emanate from these cesspools. I do that as a survivor of the system so called “higher education”.
What mass media is is the PR for the rulers, i.e., bankers, CEOs, large landlords, the powerful 0.01%. They own the media, they use it to advance their interests.
If I were newly-elected president who, say, wants to drain the swamp of corruption and propaganda, I'd invite Peter Boghossian to become my new Secretary of Education.
The Dept of Education needs abolished and the power returned to the states. Our students have consistently spiraled downward since the DOE was founded. It's a bureaucratic morass of toxic dogma.
Wow...truth really is stranger than fiction. Major kudos to Peter Boghossian and his colleagues for roasting these "journals" in such epic fashion; unfortunately, it's disgusting (but not surprising) that nothing has changed despite the exposure.
I love the metaphor (or is it a simile?) of "idea laundering." Taking something dirty and ill-gotten, running it through a "cleansing" process, for legitimate uses on the other end. It's just perfect !
Decades of longitudinal studies showing a negative correlation between intelligence and mental illness were summarily dismissed by ONE Cosmo style survey accepted as “science.” Because Mensa members weren’t special enough. This is the most glaring example of anti science that psychology allows to fester in the present.
The field of psychology allowed Mensa to squat all over numerous longitudinal studies showing a negative correlation between intelligence and mental illness with a sloppy Cosmo magazine style survey. And TH-cam will likely delete this. This seems a touchy subject…
TH-cam keeps blocking this, so last attempt The field of psychology has allowed a lazy, nonscientific survey from a social club to remain unchallenged with regard to the correlation between intelligence and mental illness. This is after numerous longitudinal studies on the matter showing a consistent negative correlation between intelligence and mental illness. Here ya go, TH-cam. Shuck it into the ether. Again.
Just look at heart studies over the last 40 years; Eggs are bad, eggs are good, eggs are bad, eggs are good. Pretty much everything you could eat or drink has been "linked to" heart disease and/or Cancer. There used to be a website called numberwatch that listed all the things that global warming had been "linked to".
There really should be no peer review journals outside of the hard sciences. Even in the hard sciences, "experts" should be viewed with extreme skepticism.
@@drbobinski1 Yeah. Even in the hard sciences it's difficult to trust peer reviews because, in all fairness, the reviewees would need to spend a lot of man hours to do an adequate review and that would greatly distract from their own work. I must admit that I don't know if reviewees are getting paid or not, but unless they are well compensated, they're probably just going to skim the paper and rubber stamp it.
Having worked a corporate job for 20 years, it is quite easy to force an idea on people when they don't agree with it, simply by threatening to take their pay cheque away.
@@TBonerton Yeah, you either have to be ready to burn bridges or to just suck it up. Only once did I ever just stand up in a meeting and quit, but it was one of the best feelings ever!
I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "prank." Yes, it WAS a prank, and a hugely hilarious one at that, but it also had a serious purpose: to expose the corruption of the peer-review process. It succeeded on BOTH counts. A thing can simultaneously be X AND Y.
@@g8trdone I agree. However an ideology like this is only prominent if it has funding. If all the state funding were to drain away from these journals there would be nearly nothing left of it. Sure paper might still be written but the counter argument would stick. Because this is a circle of ideologically captured people raising cash by pushing this to the extremes..... Take the automatic cash away and they would need to work with more of the real world economic situation.
Professor Boghossian gives the best summary I have heard of the flaws in academic publishing. The problem is that everybody knows this and continues to support the system, at least in the social sciences.
This exposes the implicit bias that can taint peer review - people love to tout it as a gold standard but it’s far from it and can encourage echo chamber thinking. Kudos to the WSJ for doing their due diligence to finally pick up on it but how pathetic it took them that many times to look deeper!
Yes, and the Half-Truth of this is the history of civilization -- modifying the environment to fit our needs -- buildings, technology, etc. Sadly, some have become lost in *_Logical Fallacies_* like False Equivalence. For example, changing the meaning we give ideas and concepts as a way of "changing the environment." What we're not supposed to see are the fallacies upon which such thinking is based. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
@@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry I think a more charitable take on the OP is that ideologically captured social sciences are trying to change immutable facts of the world by changing the language that surrounds it. Taxation without representation was also an unfair reality, but every part of it is a reality that is man made. Not an immutable fact of the world
The peer review thing works, that's why it has remained a key part of the scientific process. This "prank" / experiment exposed the rot in woke academia, not academia in general.
Ooh, ooh, ooh! Now do Climate Change. That is at the heart of academia, and certainly climate science isn’t agenda driven or driven by rent-seeking behavior among academic professionals. Right?
I do wonder whether the mechanism of peer review and the system for tenure decisions built on it are a consequence of the liberal arts/humanities trying to claim that their endeavors are "science" and deserve the same popular support and respect as the real sciences. What alarms me even more than the pressure Peter describes as being put on junior faculty to conform to the dominant narrative is what must be even worse for the graduate students needing faculty approval for research and writing projects and for their eventual job prospects, especially if they are aiming for an academic career.
I've been concerned with the notion of *_"Toxic Inertia"_* for several decades. Self-reinforcing systems are held in place by *_self-interest_* which perpetuates those systems to avoid the "pain" of conflict and change. But things like bathing, brushing your teeth, etc., are vital to keep disease at bay. If we don't debate ideas (a form of "mental cleansing"), then a different kind of disease is given a chance to build in *_Darkness._* In the 1930s, Leftists praised fellow Leftists in Germany and Italy -- both governments a form of Socialism. After WWII, Leftists told us that Nazis and Fascists were on the Right. But we can tell Left and Right by their *_behavior._* Left loves BIG government (collectivism), while the Right loves TINY government (individualism). Leftist Capitalism also loves BIG government and tries to use regulations to quash Free Market Capitalism. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯
Your positions on left and right are good in theory. In reality, both are subject to the rule of "toxic inertia". If unchecked, both lead to the rigid government structure that demands 100% compliance to the dominant ideology. Example: state of Kansas elected a governor who followed the idea of small government to a T. Result? Citizens revolted and Kansas now has a Democrat governor. If the slogan was not a TINY government but rather EFFICIENT government, it would have met the desires of the public who want not just a TINY government, but a government that SERVES them, public schools open 5 days a week, garbage picked and streets clean. Another example: city of San Francisco where citizens revolted against leftist the dogma and recalled a woke DA. More changes coming in the city government - give it some time. As long as there is one thing that we take religiously, which is a functional democracy allowing free, honest and fair elections and peaceful transfer of power, we will make the pendulum swing, hopefully not too far either direction, if we have truly free and independent press.
@@Tamara-qd5dc Thanks for the discussion, but I disagree with your conclusions. I don't know the details about Kansas, but I suspect there were more variables involved than your simple presentation of the facts. One of the key problems in American politics, today, is a *_Lack of Proper Education._* When people have grown up *_Selfish_* and *_Expecting Government Services_* that are unconstitutional, you have an immoral and ignorant combination which works against the Constitution. No system in this universe is perfect, but for a system like the *_Original_* Americanism to work, it must include a Moral and Educated electorate. Today, we have *_neither!_* Power is the problem, and *_Power TO the People_* is not only a Communist slogan, but a recipe for disaster. ALL power is a corrupting influence. And when the Good Guys gain power for "good" things, we are in danger because the Good Guys won't live forever. That power will come back to bite *_everyone!_* The ONLY services the Federal government should be offering are those listed in the Constitution. States can add services, but even there, I'd prefer that states give up power and offer it to the cities and counties. Decentralization of power is ideal. Compassion from individuals, NOT collectives, is also ideal. Any voter who wants BIG perks from government is either *_ignorant_* or *_evil,_* and possibly BOTH! 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯 VOTER EDUCATION: * Constitution (including the philosophy behind its few provisions), * History (including the details of how the Deep State got started, corrupting our government), * Logic (including how to recognize accurately the Logical Fallacies used by politicians to confuse you), and * Public Servant Track Records (so that you know who is truly honoring their Oath of Office). Resources at jbs [dot] org
Yeah when furver is built up any group can become the monster. Like thinking that a Christian country is best and that section doesn't matter in the constitution or something similar.
The compost that feeds toxic inertia is tenure: There is no basis for tenure in today's world - tenure was designed initially to enable people to speak against the Power. When the System is gamed such that you must speak to the Power to obtain tenure then it is self-evident that the System is broken. Tenure today is the pat on the head for the 'favoured' disciples.
Anytime I can see Peter speak (besides his own show) I’m always all in. Especially on this topic. It’s so funny how they did this and just so brilliant! It shows that our system doesn’t care about the people they are supposedly representing. Let’s look at NIH. And hmmmm. There’s a doctor we have been talking about for years…… 🤷🏼♀️
Really ? More like you only got intersted in the subject in 2020 and now think you are an expert. Am I right ? There was nothing new about Covid, or the research papers released around it. Just new to many entitled people who never had to care about pathogens going past outbreak point before. Note : ESR teams globally have stopped 1,860 outbreaks since 1996, from getting out of control, just in countries you probably dont care about amoung people you dont care about.Because if you did, you would know that does not happen without proper science behind it. It is a pity peoples privilaged basically disease free childhoods have created a portion of the population too lazy to learn how that happened.
The “genuine” critical theory articles are asinine conjecture that’s published in a mercenary motivation. The journal publishers accepting these absurdities are mercenary, The peers whe engage in “I’ll scratch your back and you scratch mine” approval of these idiotic thesis are mercenary as they share the same prestige, tenure, salary hike that the writers are driven by. And the gouging universities that employ these “scholars” that intend to indent their students for life are utterly mercenary, with the boards of trustees are littered with representatives of banks setting exorbitant tuition for worthless “education.” Some of the “sociologists” submitting these stupid papers hire ghost writes, yet another mercenary and perpetrator of fraud in the chain of fraud.
If you want to see how truly insane the cult can get go and look up what happened at Evergreen in Oregon. Benjamin Boyce who was working there at the time has a great archive of this.
You may as well urinate in the ocean and expect to make it less salty. This is why I gave up in the field of psychology which was my passion. It had stopped making any sense. Or rather those who 'practice' it had become irrational, unhinged. The horror was that they defined their own absurdity as wisdom and insight. I fled.
I graduated from Purdue University in 1983. (a decidedly right leaning, anti-woke place) I started in Engineering (five semesters), then transferred to Criminology (sociology and psychology gobbledigook). I stopped spending money on text books, as the teachers didn't really teach anything. Took really good notes in lectures, and regurgitated each teacher's point of view on things back to them in tests and papers. My grades went noticeably upward from my math and science semesters! Hahaha. Even at Purdue in the early 80's - humanities was already woke and pointless.
I attended a public community college and later a private university, starting in 1995. Even then our professors made us learn "Ebonics" and one time a student dared to suggest some people are criminals because of their culture and not oppression. Oh boy... He got lambasted by two professors standing directly over his desk for fifteen minutes. They were shaking and screaming at him. One broke off and had to leave she was so traumatized by his assertion. My university was in Manhattan, so it was even worse.
In the mid-1970s I took a Sex and Sociology class at WSU and wrote a paper much like this. My sociology and sex prof hated it. My Anthropology professor loved it, laughed all the way through. Edit: both classes required a 20 page paper and the paper submitted to both classes (both professors knew I was submitting the paper to both classes) was 45 pages long.
Much like with "A Modest Proposal", the critics are angry that they've been had! 😁 The tenure set-up is like a protection racket brought about by writing papers. The pen IS mightier than the sword!!
As they say in academia - Publish or Perish. Students are also forced to regurgitate this ideological rubbish to pass subjects and then PAY for it. I remember gagging as I ticked the necessary boxes when writing assignments.
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Indeed. I don't know who made that wikipedia page, but it's not too far off. I'm more proud of co-creating the Keynes vs. Hayek rap videos though than anything else.
I've been trying to get this idea over to my bosses at work. The world is built around people who think something is true which isn't. And for the most part, people only think it's true because they are told it's true, or that's the way it's always been. But it hasn't always been, people just think it has. Point out a fact, and people's brains short circuit. So they go into attack mode. YOU must be wrong, because I'm right.
Wouldn’t make any differences. All the Black Studies, Queer Studies, Lesbian Studies, Lesbian Dance Theory etc., the academics involved are activists - they aren’t interested in truth.
Yeah! A few years of national service would do them more good than a lifetime of fancy book learning, amirite? The problem isn’t that some academic journals aren’t grounded in hard scientific enquiry; the problem is that they’re not as open about it as they could be. Also, any journal in which ideas are discussed would undermine its own scope by limiting itself to only those ideas which are empirically testable and/or logically verifiable. Creative, experimental thought is an important feature of academia and it must not be lost.
I’ve been saying this for a decade. I taught research methods in a school of education and psychology for 14 years. It was their leadership Doctoral program. Our school wasn’t woke but the professors were all Democrats.
I'd agree if that included all religious studies. If we are getting rid of make-believe disciplines might as well start with the grandfather of all snake-oil-based illusions.
One way to interpret his experiment is to acknowledge that he has accomplished an appeal to authority fallacy. Peer reviewers deferred to his expertise, giving the benefit of doubt. Moreover, philosophy is often an effort to make a simple argument more complex. Hegel is the exemplar in this regard. Considering the attenuation of new ideas, the boilerplate ideas of the western canon, with sufficient fluff, is all contemporary philosophers have to work with today.
My wife is twice published on nursing burnout and career development. The work she and her team went through makes it seem shocking when i hear this. This pranking was prescient of the recent retraction of papers in noted journals
@@darbyheavey406Not necessarily. Consider the articles in Nursing literature on new age therapeutic touch promoted by gullible and simple minded nurses and the journals themselves. Absurd.
I've never understood why he has that name. We don't see him telling any lies in the bible. In fact God lies to us in the first few pages of the bible and the serpent is punished for telling us the truth. Blaming our stupidity on an invisible guy with horns is the single most irresponsible trait in christianity. It's why you keep on voting for the same people who are in the pockets of the corporations that are killing us.
I love the “dark chocolate is good for you” academic scam. People still tell me it’s good for me 😂 Don’t correct me unless you research this scam first.
So let me get this straight: If someone wrote these papers and actually believed/wanted to sell these ideas, there wouldn’t have been an issue? Seems to me the only reason these papers were considered “bad” was because the authors intent was to mock the system and its ideology.
I raised my daughters by making them answer their own questions. If they would ask a question, I would first ask them “what do you think the answer is?” Then I would deconstruct the concept and start asking them questions to lead them to their own answers filling in any gaps along the way. When they were disciplined, we would have a conversation about the reason for the consequence and the intended values lesson. Today, they are 20 and 26 and routinely blow my mind with how intuitive and wise they can be. They are adults I really enjoy talking to.
These people running these journals are the same people that said believe the "science" on COVID but refused to allow any unapproved science. This whole thing delegitimizes the whole industry.
TH-cam censors all the words with meaning. They want us using soft language. We have people using words like unalived, pdf file, and grape. They are really doing a stellar job aren’t they!!!
Who funds these journals and if it’s government grants, state universities or private entities, then they need to be exposed and the money source ended. Of course this boils down to money and these people sucking off the taxpayer/ government tete, it imperative they keep the gravy train going.
Stop sending them students. Stop giving to fund-raisers. They won’t change anything until it threatens the bottom line. Can’t have tenure if you can’t pay salaries.
What we need is a new type of publication! Entitled: “This didn’t work, Why?” Where every experiment writes up their hypothesis, their structure, their results and then speculate why in multiple different ways Why it didn’t work. This allows less duplication and opportunities for others to try and correct hiccups.
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One thing I know from the field that Peter doesn't realize, is that the problem in psychology is just as bad as gender studies. Only it has been going on for 50 years instead of 10 to 20.
The problems with psychology are exponentially greater than people think. It's 50 years of building with bullshit, on a foundation of bullshit.
Freud was better than what we have today imo.
The problem is many people, because of the known ludicrous idiology of these "Gender Expert" Academics , may not take the much wider problem of just how currupt and broken the peer-review system is as serious;ly as they should.
The Replication Crisis that now spans across almost every discipline means a massive majority of research papers can not be replicated. So in the strictest sense are a waste of time and money, and 100% prove how incompetent or corrupt the whole, not just parts, of the system is.
It is no less as a scam to keep academics in jobs as any other scam I have ever seen. And good luck finding an honest full disclosure academic / researcher.
Could you hyperlink the paper your guest is talking about?
This wasn’t just a prank but a total unmasking of the insanity of woke academia.
Brilliant work!
Yes, I totally agree but at the same time the lack of any impact of this so called unmasking is truly terrifying.
What peter proved is how bad propaganda brainwashes And dumbs down students.
It's academia in general, the wokeness just exposed it.
The grievance studies papers was one of the greatest accomplishments at exposing the ideological rot in academia.
Like many I was a researcher, molecular biology to be specific. Even in the more "pure" sciences there is a massive amount of garbage. I left after I realised just how bad it actually was. I went in to quality control in manufacturing after that. A lot less nonsense when you need to make something that performs exactly the same every time, millions of times over.
Sadly normies don't know there are tiers of journals.
Grievance studies showed some journals are a joke.
Academia already knew that.
Never heard of Sokol?
Academia has been this way for millennia. The differences lie in what comes out of it given any particular culture's values. For example, go to the Middle East and you will find peer-reviewed papers in their top scientific journals proclaiming that one wing of a fly is poisonous and the other is the antidote because it says so in the Quran and to disagree would mean losing everything, maybe even your life in some countries. Enlightenment might be the closest we've come to the acceptable proclamation of differing ideas publicly.
@@prodebates9182still making excuses? Care to give us the names of "real" academic journals.
The essence of what he's getting at midway through is this. The point of peer review in science *should be* to check the methodology and reasoning of submitted research. Instead, these journals are "peer reviewing" whether the results are acceptable to their established dogma. They have completely abdicated any responsibility to actual science.
That should be the big take-away from this story although I'm sure most people are just here to stick it to the regressive left. Not the progressive left, the regressive left.
They get Grants too.
Spot on. Scary stuff.
@virginiahobby3726 Grants bring their own corrupting influence. I read an article 20-25 years ago, where a scientist started looking into increased incidences of a rare cloud pattern. It was in his field and it was interesting. Then at the end, he thought it should be further studied because ... it might be related to climate change. Not, "Hey this is interesting. It could help us better understand the world around us." Rather, "How can I tie this to a hot topic with lots of grant money available?"
One can see where this is headed. It may be a gradual process, but the "climate change" grant money is going to corrupt the research. Continued funding will require that he find links to climate change. Instead of seeking truth (a deeper understanding of a natural phenomenon) he's going to be seeking continued funding.
Bingo
I was a philosophy student of Peter. Loved his classes. That was in 2006'ish... before this nonsense surfaced so mainstream. Proud of his work on this stuff.
Do you know where to get the manuscripts?
Wow that's like saying you were in jbp maps of meaning courses in the same era
@@jcmick8430 any of those people are equally as fortunate.
I was in his science/pseudoscience course in 2018ish. Right when all of this was going on. Really great to get his pov as it was going. Incredible teacher. Best one at the university when he was there
MAN YOU GOT LUCKY !! WE ARE THE SAME AGE AND WE THINK EXACTLY THE SAME , BUT HE IS ON ONE SIDE AND I AM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COUNTRY , DANG IT , WE WERE MADE FOR EACH OTHER AND SEE NO WEDDING RING, , SHOULD I GO GET HIM, KIDNAP HIM, HOG TIME HIM AND KEEP HIM ?? THIS IS ONLY PLACE WHERE I READ PEOPLE LIKE ME BUT WE NEVER MEET , AND WE NEVER WILL! THIS IS ACTUALLY VERY CRUEL !!
The "Prank" was like when investigative reporters showed how inept TSA was at the airport. Were they thanked for exposing the flaws/shortcomings? Hell no. They were villified.
Which is why they destroyed their own reputations as dangerous.
I finished all of my course work for a Master’s Degree and when it came to my thesis, I could not get approval from my advisors to write a paper on my culminating experience because I would not fall in line with their ideologies. So after having worked my way through college, paying my own way, I walked away without a Master’s because I refused to comply. I sleep at night knowing that I did not betray my intellectual integrity. The school was CSUN, 1997. Since then, it’s gotten sooo much worse. Thank you for “punking” those bastards.
Did you ever write a book or a specific article or post about the details? I would love to hear it. I’m sure many others would too!
@@robertsmall1657I have not (yet.) Thank you for the encouragement! I may just reopen that chapter of my life to finish it MY way. Honestly, your reply made me feel less hopeless. Again, thank you for acknowledging my comment.
Please write about your experience. Your experience would be very valuable for academic honesty.
I'd read about that! Please get your experiences down in print!!
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I refuse to believe this was a prank! This was a experiment to expose how BROKEN academic peer review process is. This was the biggest story of century and never got the exposure it was deserved.
This is the first time I have heard them describe it as a prank. I guess it was but they for sure set out to expose the insanity. And they succeeded. They will never be forgiven.
First time I have heard of it. I need to investigate further.
There's a clip somewhere in which the writers almost die of laughter when their papers get valued, though.
Still, a great exposé.
Its trolling for Truth. A Modest Proposal if you will.
@@davidgreenwood6029 Word.
Been following Peter since this whole thing started. Those papers legitimately shocked me. I cannot believe I live in a world where a "field of study" fell for something as insane as what they got published
Same here. I credit him, James and Helen for opening my eyes on how far gone the universities truly are.
Same. I am old enough that I missed most of this nonsense at university, but only just. Peter, Helen, James, and Jordan Peterson will go down in history as heroes of classically liberal academia.
@@donquijote6030 If you want to see how truly insane the cult can get go and look up what happened at Evergreen in Oregon.
Benjamin Boyce who was working there at the time has a great archive of this.
The Arts ONLY consist of this garbage.
my favorite is how one of the papers was basically sections on mein kampf but rewritten as intersectional feminism and it was accepted by people who, ideologically, are the quickest to call others not zees. The ideological derangement and its metastization in academia is pathetic.
I worked in environmental chemistry, doing research on acid rain. We analyzed 3,000 samples a year for 22 parameters, over 10 years. A meta analysis of that huge database led to a conclusion that contradicted the commonly accepted paradigm. We couldn't get published because the gate keepers had to defend their misconceptions. When so many others confirmed our conclusions, the gate keepers got onboard and claimed they made this discovery on their own. We have never been acknowledged and never received an apology. The circus goes on, and this is in the so-called hard sciences where you're not supposed to be able to game the system.
SOMEONE ALSO STOLE MY WORK, THE LOW DOWN VARMITS !! I AM 75 WITH PhD , NOT BRAGGING , IT TOOK ME MANY YEARS , I DIGRESS, AND OF ALL MY CAREERS, AS THINK I HAVE 49 DEGREE'S ! I WENT TO X-RAY SCHOOL AT 17 IN 1967, WELL WOMEN HAVE SO FEW CHOICES AND BEING MARRIED WITH KIDS , JUST KILL ME , AND ALSO NUCLEAR MEDICINE, AND WE WEAR THESE BADGES THAT ARE TO DETECT RADIATION , AND DEAD HUSBAND USE TO SET UP NUCLEAR POWER CHEMISTRY LABS , CALLED HIM HOMER SIMPSON , SO HAD FRIENDS AS MOHTER EARTH , THAT OLD HIPPY MAGIZINE WHERE I LIVE , ASSVILLE NC ( THEY ARE LYING AND IT IS A SEIGE BUT I DIGRESS AND BODIES FLOATING OUT OF COFFINS AND MY RELATIVES SO JUST A BARREL OF FUN BUT LOW DOWN VARMITS OF LESBIAN BUTCHES , YIKES , SO NOW THE TRULY FAT, UGLY NO PERSONALITIES SO THEY BLAME IT ON ANYONE , WOMEN , WHO DO NOT WEIGH 250 LBS , SO THE BOYS GOT THIS AND ONLY THIS , I JUST GIGGLE AS IN MAN YOU ARE REALLY GOING TO REGRET THIS , I DIGRESS
SO THE "FRIEND AND I GOT TO TALKING ABOUT THE RADIATION THAT IS EMITTED HERE BY GRANITE , SO WE DID DIAGRAMS AND MADE MODELS AND EUREKA , WE HAD THE OZONE DETECTOR AND HE NEVER EVER GAVE ME CREDIT AS WITHOUT ME HE NEVER COULD HAVE DONE IT , SO FFF HIM BUT IT WORKED AND IT MADE MONEY, FOR HIS LOW DOWN ARSE!! SO GET IT !!
Egos and money are as big a problem in academia as they are anywhere else.
I understood everything up until the part where "THEY GOT AWAY WITH IT"..? Perplexed. You have DOCUMENTED EVIDENTIAL PROOF. Was litigation out of the question?
@@NotThisShipSister1 It's a rat's nest. They would say they rejected our article because of problems with the statistics - they actually did say that. No prejudice there. As you know, litigation is very expensive. We were a marginally funded, largely volunteer, low-budget operation, struggling to keep going, year after year. In a fair world you would be right. And this is just one example - I could give you many.
*_Albert Einstein REFUSED to participate_* with the notion of "Peer Review." His take, in the 1930s was that peers have *_always_* been able to review an article *_AFTER_* publication. Why give power to a few, *_Hidden_* people who are NOT experts in the narrow topic they are reviewing? This is why *_power_* is such a dangerous thing. A benign ruler can have all the power in the world and everything works well, but they don't live forever. The next guy won't necessarily be as benign. This is why America is *_not_* a democracy; "power TO the people" is only as good as the people are moral and educated.
As we saw with the *_Climate-Gate_* fiasco, cliques of "experts" can create a hidden barrier so that certain ideas NEVER make it to publication. Thus, the Logical Fallacy that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" can NEVER be met for ideas the Gatekeepers deem unworthy.
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Yes we never wanted to be the mob rules the rights of the individual was supposed to be as important as the many. Yet it has become exactly what the founders didn't want. Why do we have seatbelt laws in every state because of a small group mothers against drunk drivers. And after it was passed in all states deaths increased in the national highway safety commissions statistics so they changed how they calculated them. 😮😮😮
Well said
@patrickday4206 A lot of car improvements are followed by people driving more carelessly. How often are people found asleep or reading behind the wheel of self driving cars? Seat belts do save lives as long as driver behavior doesn't change, but it changed.
Purple cross? So, you’re a SkyCunt god believerFCK? That’s rich.
@@jamesfowley4114 The reason I will not be comfortable using the self-driving for a long time is because whereas self driving systems generally don't make mistakes (and the amount of mistakes they make will decrease over time), they can be confused by a random stuff humans simply never would. So if I need to watch over the car and be ready to take over anytime, it will be easier to simply just drive it the whole time
The most depressing part of this was the end where Peter points out that these papers had no effect on the new established norm, it's simply too deeply entrenched.
We have been infiltrated. The communist plan has worked
Yeah that is very disconcerting
Yep, that’s the leftist utopia that Universities have all become. Let that inform how seriously you might consider the opinions and positions that emanate from these cesspools. I do that as a survivor of the system so called “higher education”.
All mainstream media is a close cousin to this.
More like in-breeding.
Mainstream media is where the gender studies honour students are employed, biggest reach, the other big one is government jobs, influence.
What mass media is is the PR for the rulers, i.e., bankers, CEOs, large landlords, the powerful 0.01%. They own the media, they use it to advance their interests.
Recently someone made a video of
20 different news agencies saying the exact same line
“Misinformation is a threat to our democracy.”
Like Lemmings
Possibly the father
If I were newly-elected president who, say, wants to drain the swamp of corruption and propaganda, I'd invite Peter Boghossian to become my new Secretary of Education.
Trump 2024
Yes!
The big myth.
DJT excels at selecting great people.
The new Canon.
Got it.
A few clouds are dispensing now.
The Dept of Education needs abolished and the power returned to the states. Our students have consistently spiraled downward since the DOE was founded. It's a bureaucratic morass of toxic dogma.
The Grievance Studies Affair is a beautiful collection of work. Thank you Peter, James and Helen 🫖
I wish every college student in America could have at least one class taught by a professor like Peter.
We have many, but none of them are in the liberal arts.
2 + 2 = 5 !!! Approved. Men have babies........... approved !!!!!!!!!
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“Her penis”
the truth is what the establishment/big brother says it is.
A few days ago, the leader of a UK political party, the Liberal Party, was asked on air whether a woman can have a penis.
His reply: 'Clearly, yes'.
In support of what you say, I have posted a Comment quoting some nonsense by a British Establishment politician. But YT had removed it😆🤣😆🤣
Wow...truth really is stranger than fiction. Major kudos to Peter Boghossian and his colleagues for roasting these "journals" in such epic fashion; unfortunately, it's disgusting (but not surprising) that nothing has changed despite the exposure.
I love the metaphor (or is it a simile?) of "idea laundering." Taking something dirty and ill-gotten, running it through a "cleansing" process, for legitimate uses on the other end. It's just perfect !
The problem in psychology is beyond 50%. It’s more like 90%.
More like 90% screwed up, right?
Decades of longitudinal studies showing a negative correlation between intelligence and mental illness were summarily dismissed by ONE Cosmo style survey accepted as “science.” Because Mensa members weren’t special enough. This is the most glaring example of anti science that psychology allows to fester in the present.
The field of psychology allowed Mensa to squat all over numerous longitudinal studies showing a negative correlation between intelligence and mental illness with a sloppy Cosmo magazine style survey. And TH-cam will likely delete this. This seems a touchy subject…
TH-cam keeps blocking this, so last attempt
The field of psychology has allowed a lazy, nonscientific survey from a social club to remain unchallenged with regard to the correlation between intelligence and mental illness. This is after numerous longitudinal studies on the matter showing a consistent negative correlation between intelligence and mental illness. Here ya go, TH-cam. Shuck it into the ether. Again.
@@ericchristen2623 right
Every time I hear on the news that "New research shows that [everybody was wrong all along] ..." I become very critical.
You should be
Just look at heart studies over the last 40 years; Eggs are bad, eggs are good, eggs are bad, eggs are good. Pretty much everything you could eat or drink has been "linked to" heart disease and/or Cancer. There used to be a website called numberwatch that listed all the things that global warming had been "linked to".
Not only that, "It's worse than we thought!"
2:18 he says “we delved into the literature, I think I lost quite a few brain cells in that process” - LoL!😂👍
@jeff, i caught that, too. and felt it. i can relate any time i hear tony faucci speak. 🥴
There really should be no peer review journals outside of the hard sciences. Even in the hard sciences, "experts" should be viewed with extreme skepticism.
Agree Kirk. A peer reviewed journal in cold fusion would reject claims. These soft sciences are really game-able.
@@drbobinski1 Yeah. Even in the hard sciences it's difficult to trust peer reviews because, in all fairness, the reviewees would need to spend a lot of man hours to do an adequate review and that would greatly distract from their own work. I must admit that I don't know if reviewees are getting paid or not, but unless they are well compensated, they're probably just going to skim the paper and rubber stamp it.
Having worked a corporate job for 20 years, it is quite easy to force an idea on people when they don't agree with it, simply by threatening to take their pay cheque away.
@@TBonerton Yeah, you either have to be ready to burn bridges or to just suck it up. Only once did I ever just stand up in a meeting and quit, but it was one of the best feelings ever!
100%. the experts reviewing it should be vetted.
Love this story. Having worked in Academia for decades I can appreciate how easily it is exposed as a fraud and how absurd it is.
All academia? In what way? And what did you do for decades
"The purpose of the journal is to forward certain conclusions that effect public policy"
He did not prank anyone; he exposed the prank.
I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "prank." Yes, it WAS a prank, and a hugely hilarious one at that, but it also had a serious purpose: to expose the corruption of the peer-review process. It succeeded on BOTH counts. A thing can simultaneously be X AND Y.
Thank you for the great questions you asked him. They sure helped me!
I really appreciate that!
I can't take my jaw off the floor ... what in the world?! I am struggling to comprehend what my ears just heard. The world has gone mad!!
Its worse than that. World hasn't just gone mad. We are discovering, just now, that the world is mad .. and we hadn't noticed.
Welcome to the Corporate States of America
Idiocracy
Those that would have you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities. Truly terrifying times
At least ya heard it. Been trying to show people this for 7 years and they refuse to listen or watch
The Money has to drain out for any of this to change
It's not about money.
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I agree. However an ideology like this is only prominent if it has funding.
If all the state funding were to drain away from these journals there would be nearly nothing left of it.
Sure paper might still be written but the counter argument would stick. Because this is a circle of ideologically captured people raising cash by pushing this to the extremes.....
Take the automatic cash away and they would need to work with more of the real world economic situation.
Incorrect. Academics work for peanuts. The reward is in the power to spread false ideology.
@@g8trdone that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If there was no money, there would be no system
" Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. " ------ Richard Feynman
Very nicely done interview of a truly unbelievable “debunking” of modern academia.
Get rid of tenure! No longer means much when many are living by lies
And who is going to do that?
Professor Boghossian gives the best summary I have heard of the flaws in academic publishing. The problem is that everybody knows this and continues to support the system, at least in the social sciences.
This exposes the implicit bias that can taint peer review - people love to tout it as a gold standard but it’s far from it and can encourage echo chamber thinking. Kudos to the WSJ for doing their due diligence to finally pick up on it but how pathetic it took them that many times to look deeper!
reality is unfair, we'll just change it!
Yes, and the Half-Truth of this is the history of civilization -- modifying the environment to fit our needs -- buildings, technology, etc. Sadly, some have become lost in *_Logical Fallacies_* like False Equivalence. For example, changing the meaning we give ideas and concepts as a way of "changing the environment." What we're not supposed to see are the fallacies upon which such thinking is based.
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Sorry, Kevin, but isn't that exactly what your, "founding fathers" were saying back in the 1770's?
@@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry I think a more charitable take on the OP is that ideologically captured social sciences are trying to change immutable facts of the world by changing the language that surrounds it.
Taxation without representation was also an unfair reality, but every part of it is a reality that is man made. Not an immutable fact of the world
Must have been a great laugh down the pub dreaming up those papers!
The peer review thing works, that's why it has remained a key part of the scientific process. This "prank" / experiment exposed the rot in woke academia, not academia in general.
Ah, this is just an "isolated incident"... Peer Review is just one of the elements of this. If its corrupted, that impacts everything connected to it.
Ooh, ooh, ooh! Now do Climate Change. That is at the heart of academia, and certainly climate science isn’t agenda driven or driven by rent-seeking behavior among academic professionals. Right?
@@SeattleAllen Vile Heretic! You have sinned against the Sacred Narrative! Next time, don't say the quiet part out loud... :)
I do wonder whether the mechanism of peer review and the system for tenure decisions built on it are a consequence of the liberal arts/humanities trying to claim that their endeavors are "science" and deserve the same popular support and respect as the real sciences. What alarms me even more than the pressure Peter describes as being put on junior faculty to conform to the dominant narrative is what must be even worse for the graduate students needing faculty approval for research and writing projects and for their eventual job prospects, especially if they are aiming for an academic career.
@@BaltoJohn and this ultimately produces another generation of academia without the skills of critical thinking - just information regurgitation
I've been concerned with the notion of *_"Toxic Inertia"_* for several decades. Self-reinforcing systems are held in place by *_self-interest_* which perpetuates those systems to avoid the "pain" of conflict and change. But things like bathing, brushing your teeth, etc., are vital to keep disease at bay. If we don't debate ideas (a form of "mental cleansing"), then a different kind of disease is given a chance to build in *_Darkness._*
In the 1930s, Leftists praised fellow Leftists in Germany and Italy -- both governments a form of Socialism. After WWII, Leftists told us that Nazis and Fascists were on the Right. But we can tell Left and Right by their *_behavior._* Left loves BIG government (collectivism), while the Right loves TINY government (individualism). Leftist Capitalism also loves BIG government and tries to use regulations to quash Free Market Capitalism.
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Leftist capitalism is often called crony capitalism
Your positions on left and right are good in theory. In reality, both are subject to the rule of "toxic inertia". If unchecked, both lead to the rigid government structure that demands 100% compliance to the dominant ideology. Example: state of Kansas elected a governor who followed the idea of small government to a T. Result? Citizens revolted and Kansas now has a Democrat governor. If the slogan was not a TINY government but rather EFFICIENT government, it would have met the desires of the public who want not just a TINY government, but a government that SERVES them, public schools open 5 days a week, garbage picked and streets clean. Another example: city of San Francisco where citizens revolted against leftist the dogma and recalled a woke DA. More changes coming in the city government - give it some time. As long as there is one thing that we take religiously, which is a functional democracy allowing free, honest and fair elections and peaceful transfer of power, we will make the pendulum swing, hopefully not too far either direction, if we have truly free and independent press.
@@Tamara-qd5dc Thanks for the discussion, but I disagree with your conclusions.
I don't know the details about Kansas, but I suspect there were more variables involved than your simple presentation of the facts.
One of the key problems in American politics, today, is a *_Lack of Proper Education._* When people have grown up *_Selfish_* and *_Expecting Government Services_* that are unconstitutional, you have an immoral and ignorant combination which works against the Constitution.
No system in this universe is perfect, but for a system like the *_Original_* Americanism to work, it must include a Moral and Educated electorate. Today, we have *_neither!_*
Power is the problem, and *_Power TO the People_* is not only a Communist slogan, but a recipe for disaster. ALL power is a corrupting influence. And when the Good Guys gain power for "good" things, we are in danger because the Good Guys won't live forever. That power will come back to bite *_everyone!_*
The ONLY services the Federal government should be offering are those listed in the Constitution. States can add services, but even there, I'd prefer that states give up power and offer it to the cities and counties. Decentralization of power is ideal. Compassion from individuals, NOT collectives, is also ideal. Any voter who wants BIG perks from government is either *_ignorant_* or *_evil,_* and possibly BOTH!
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VOTER EDUCATION:
* Constitution (including the philosophy behind its few provisions),
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* Logic (including how to recognize accurately the Logical Fallacies used by politicians to confuse you), and
* Public Servant Track Records (so that you know who is truly honoring their Oath of Office).
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Yeah when furver is built up any group can become the monster. Like thinking that a Christian country is best and that section doesn't matter in the constitution or something similar.
The compost that feeds toxic inertia is tenure: There is no basis for tenure in today's world - tenure was designed initially to enable people to speak against the Power. When the System is gamed such that you must speak to the Power to obtain tenure then it is self-evident that the System is broken. Tenure today is the pat on the head for the 'favoured' disciples.
This guy is an academic hero.
Every time I hear this story I laugh my ass off. It never gets old.
Anytime I can see Peter speak (besides his own show) I’m always all in. Especially on this topic. It’s so funny how they did this and just so brilliant! It shows that our system doesn’t care about the people they are supposedly representing. Let’s look at NIH. And hmmmm. There’s a doctor we have been talking about for years…… 🤷🏼♀️
See most "COVID" "studies" and you will understand there is little science left in our days.
That is why I typically spell it sience when writing about it.
I for one do not want to help corrupt the idea of real science!
Really ? More like you only got intersted in the subject in 2020 and now think you are an expert. Am I right ?
There was nothing new about Covid, or the research papers released around it. Just new to many entitled people who never had to care about pathogens going past outbreak point before.
Note : ESR teams globally have stopped 1,860 outbreaks since 1996, from getting out of control, just in countries you probably dont care about amoung people you dont care about.Because if you did, you would know that does not happen without proper science behind it.
It is a pity peoples privilaged basically disease free childhoods have created a portion of the population too lazy to learn how that happened.
just the left
You pranked the sociologists, whoa man. Epic. Get this man a medal.
The “genuine” critical theory articles are asinine conjecture that’s published in a mercenary motivation. The journal publishers accepting these absurdities are mercenary, The peers whe engage in “I’ll scratch your back and you scratch mine” approval of these idiotic thesis are mercenary as they share the same prestige, tenure, salary hike that the writers are driven by. And the gouging universities that employ these “scholars” that intend to indent their students for life are utterly mercenary, with the boards of trustees are littered with representatives of banks setting exorbitant tuition for worthless “education.” Some of the “sociologists” submitting these stupid papers hire ghost writes, yet another mercenary and perpetrator of fraud in the chain of fraud.
This should be on every form of media known to man, front page.
Well done.
Getting published can be as simple as.....reciprocal knob shining.
Ouch.
I never heard about this before today but it does not surprise me one little bit.
If you want to see how truly insane the cult can get go and look up what happened at Evergreen in Oregon.
Benjamin Boyce who was working there at the time has a great archive of this.
“If there was no racism, there’d be no climate crisis.”
Jane Fonda
Really?
She’s also Hanoi Jane.
Hollywood idiocracy
Why is that wrong?
@@jsquire5pa why ? Because they are both wrong and have nothing to do with each other. Non sequitur
You may as well urinate in the ocean and expect to make it less salty. This is why I gave up in the field of psychology which was my passion. It had stopped making any sense. Or rather those who 'practice' it had become irrational, unhinged. The horror was that they defined their own absurdity as wisdom and insight. I fled.
Man, I am so sorry.
As a non-academic, who had suspicions of what was going on, I found this post hilarious. Thank you.
humanities departments were already becoming awful 15-20 years ago.
I graduated from Purdue University in 1983. (a decidedly right leaning, anti-woke place) I started in Engineering (five semesters), then transferred to Criminology (sociology and psychology gobbledigook). I stopped spending money on text books, as the teachers didn't really teach anything. Took really good notes in lectures, and regurgitated each teacher's point of view on things back to them in tests and papers. My grades went noticeably upward from my math and science semesters! Hahaha. Even at Purdue in the early 80's - humanities was already woke and pointless.
I attended a public community college and later a private university, starting in 1995. Even then our professors made us learn "Ebonics" and one time a student dared to suggest some people are criminals because of their culture and not oppression. Oh boy... He got lambasted by two professors standing directly over his desk for fifteen minutes. They were shaking and screaming at him. One broke off and had to leave she was so traumatized by his assertion. My university was in Manhattan, so it was even worse.
These trollings are a kind of reductio ad absurdum. Well done!
Truly glorious. It’s proof that play is more powerful than mere protest.
Now we know why evolution thoery still has traction despite modern day discovery's
Every system man can create, can be manipulated.
Their papers were sheer genius! Onion-esque one might say.
Onion-esque
Oniony 😊@@arthurwieczorek4894
In the mid-1970s I took a Sex and Sociology class at WSU and wrote a paper much like this. My sociology and sex prof hated it. My Anthropology professor loved it, laughed all the way through.
Edit: both classes required a 20 page paper and the paper submitted to both classes (both professors knew I was submitting the paper to both classes) was 45 pages long.
This sheds light on a lot of my suspicions I’ve been trying to make sense of for the past 14 years of teaching. Clearly I’ll never get tenure!
Falsifiable hypothesis, with a strong devil's advocate, gets you the best ampliative truth.
I’ve heard Peter tell the hoax story many times and never get tired of it. Love when he cracks up
Much like with "A Modest Proposal", the critics are angry that they've been had! 😁
The tenure set-up is like a protection racket brought about by writing papers.
The pen IS mightier than the sword!!
This isn’t satire…but it is very funny.
As they say in academia - Publish or Perish. Students are also forced to regurgitate this ideological rubbish to pass subjects and then PAY for it. I remember gagging as I ticked the necessary boxes when writing assignments.
Ditto.
“If you liked this video . . .” Sadly, there was no “it gave me cold sweats” button, so I hit “like.” Great job, gentlemen-carry on!!👏👏❤️
"John Papola is the co-founder, CEO, and creative director of Emergent Order, a creative studio based in the Austin, Texas, area. He is an American video producer and director who has worked for Spike TV, Nickelodeon, and MTV as well as for creative ad agencies such as Crispin Porter, Razorfish and JWT."
Indeed. I don't know who made that wikipedia page, but it's not too far off. I'm more proud of co-creating the Keynes vs. Hayek rap videos though than anything else.
Have any of these crazy journal articles been cited by other articles? That would be truly hilarious.
Endless numbers..you know it..
I've been trying to get this idea over to my bosses at work. The world is built around people who think something is true which isn't. And for the most part, people only think it's true because they are told it's true, or that's the way it's always been. But it hasn't always been, people just think it has. Point out a fact, and people's brains short circuit. So they go into attack mode. YOU must be wrong, because I'm right.
David Gilmore..." You Know I'm Right"...
Peter Boghossian for President. The man is brilliant. He's one of the few that really gets how insane this has gotten.
He’s a unapologetic atheist. He never get elected.
The "Borg" of the intellectual universe.
Sleep
Resistance is futile. Well, let's hope not. I will resist.
This kind of crap is why people shouldn't be allowed to be professors until after they have at least five years of non academic full time employment.
Wouldn’t make any differences. All the Black Studies, Queer Studies, Lesbian Studies, Lesbian Dance Theory etc., the academics involved are activists - they aren’t interested in truth.
Yeah! A few years of national service would do them more good than a lifetime of fancy book learning, amirite?
The problem isn’t that some academic journals aren’t grounded in hard scientific enquiry; the problem is that they’re not as open about it as they could be. Also, any journal in which ideas are discussed would undermine its own scope by limiting itself to only those ideas which are empirically testable and/or logically verifiable. Creative, experimental thought is an important feature of academia and it must not be lost.
it's just to make more leftie voters
There should never be a “Studies” category on any post secondary education facility. Nor should there be any public funding for such nonsense.
I’ve been saying this for a decade. I taught research methods in a school of education and psychology for 14 years. It was their leadership Doctoral program. Our school wasn’t woke but the professors were all Democrats.
I'd agree if that included all religious studies. If we are getting rid of make-believe disciplines might as well start with the grandfather of all snake-oil-based illusions.
@@sandollor Yes. Let’s get rid of all religious studies classes in public universities. OK. We just cancelled 8 classes.
Brace yourself, Leonard. It's coming soon to a university near you: Studies Studies, the comparative investigation of woke curricula.
@@jguenther3049 Awesome!
One way to interpret his experiment is to acknowledge that he has accomplished an appeal to authority fallacy. Peer reviewers deferred to his expertise, giving the benefit of doubt. Moreover, philosophy is often an effort to make a simple argument more complex. Hegel is the exemplar in this regard. Considering the attenuation of new ideas, the boilerplate ideas of the western canon, with sufficient fluff, is all contemporary philosophers have to work with today.
My wife is twice published on nursing burnout and career development. The work she and her team went through makes it seem shocking when i hear this.
This pranking was prescient of the recent retraction of papers in noted journals
Nursing is reality based. Even reality based research can be wrong…
@@darbyheavey406Not necessarily. Consider the articles in Nursing literature on new age therapeutic touch promoted by gullible and simple minded nurses and the journals themselves. Absurd.
Tell the same lie long enough and people will accept it as truth 😂
The Devil is Having a Field Day in the West !
The prince of lies is a fitting nickname.
I've never understood why he has that name. We don't see him telling any lies in the bible.
In fact God lies to us in the first few pages of the bible and the serpent is punished for telling us the truth.
Blaming our stupidity on an invisible guy with horns is the single most irresponsible trait in christianity.
It's why you keep on voting for the same people who are in the pockets of the corporations that are killing us.
Ironically Peter is a staunch atheist so he doesn’t believe in the devil
That's slander. Lucifer's lawyers will be contacting you.
I love the “dark chocolate is good for you” academic scam. People still tell me it’s good for me 😂 Don’t correct me unless you research this scam first.
I hadn't realised i'd caused such an outsized contribution to clinate change .
😂😂😂
This was an excellent conversation. I love Petey B.❤
So let me get this straight:
If someone wrote these papers and actually believed/wanted to sell these ideas, there wouldn’t have been an issue?
Seems to me the only reason these papers were considered “bad” was because the authors intent was to mock the system and its ideology.
Remember reading about this, but didn't know the back story or who Peter was. He's obviously a brilliant man!
I raised my daughters by making them answer their own questions. If they would ask a question, I would first ask them “what do you think the answer is?” Then I would deconstruct the concept and start asking them questions to lead them to their own answers filling in any gaps along the way. When they were disciplined, we would have a conversation about the reason for the consequence and the intended values lesson. Today, they are 20 and 26 and routinely blow my mind with how intuitive and wise they can be. They are adults I really enjoy talking to.
12:13 “but never in the heavy rain”🤣🤣🤣🤣.
ha ha ha!!!
I can't stop laughing at the title
This guy is a genius, he deserves a PhD for comedy!!
So 7 papers in 7 years to get tenure? It's so unfortunate, Peter was so close of getting a full time job!
Got a BS in Mech Eng at Portland State University in 1990. The place was wacko back then….in ENGINEERING!
Do we have Woke bridges spanning rivers here and there?
I caught onto this after watching the Movie, No Intelligence Allowed. Then later I read Thomas Sowell, Intellectuals and Society..
These people running these journals are the same people that said believe the "science" on COVID but refused to allow any unapproved science.
This whole thing delegitimizes the whole industry.
This is probably one of the scariest video I've seen this year....great post.
Unfortunately, these institutions are damaging these kids minds to a point it is going to make their life extremely difficult.
Thank you TH-cam for protecting me from the word "rape".
TH-cam censors all the words with meaning. They want us using soft language. We have people using words like unalived, pdf file, and grape. They are really doing a stellar job aren’t they!!!
AHH MY EYES
The actual outcome of this is terrifying because nothing has changed…..yet…
When I first learned what tenure was... Forget it. It's forever tainted my listening of human beings proud of such accomplishments.
Note that in exact sciences, life sciences, and engineering, the system works most of the time.
“Forced to write to the orthodoxy” - say less. That’s exactly what’s going on.
Thank you for this. At one point in time, I thought I had missed the plot. 😅 Phew! It's good to know my instincts are still on point.
I never tire of hearing these stories.
Classic
Love these guys
Keep up the good work
Nice to have sanity somewhere out there
Who funds these journals and if it’s government grants, state universities or private entities, then they need to be exposed and the money source ended. Of course this boils down to money and these people sucking off the taxpayer/ government tete, it imperative they keep the gravy train going.
But who exactly will implement such a plan?
I can't see how we fight this. It seems the ideologues are to entrenched in our institutions.
Stop sending them students. Stop giving to fund-raisers. They won’t change anything until it threatens the bottom line. Can’t have tenure if you can’t pay salaries.
Someone’s child was permitted to major in nonsense studies. Parents don’t love their children enough to be honest with them.
"Untethered to reality... the musings of ideologues...." Such an important perspective.
I guess we all suspected such we're happening 😳 , but have no idea how it works 🤔. Thank you for the education.
Combined with the grooming or dumbing down of the students and others this evil is easily foisted on society. Thank you
What we need is a new type of publication! Entitled: “This didn’t work, Why?” Where every experiment writes up their hypothesis, their structure, their results and then speculate why in multiple different ways Why it didn’t work. This allows less duplication and opportunities for others to try and correct hiccups.