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- Harley-Davidson dealer fees will ruin the perfect bike, the advertised price may look good but when you sit down to do the paper work the price jumps dramatically. You shouldn't be paying a ridiculous amount on top of your Harley-Davidson motorcycle purchase especially if it's used. Sometimes you can't help that your perfect used Harley is the hands of Harley-Davidson dealer, but there are some things you can do. If the Harley dealer is trying to add on dealer fees, call them out and ask a ton of questions.
You might be able to get them waived, if not the hardest thing to do is walk away from the perfect bike.
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What fees have you encountered a dealer trying to charge you on top of a used Harley-Davidson motorcycle?
Dealer markups for new bikes start at $5k in addition to paper work and other associated fees in my state.
Went in to Harley of New Port Richey. Fl to look at a Pan America. Leftover 2022 with msrp of 21,500 was 31,000 out the door in 2023.
I laughed at them
I did NOT buy a used fat bob that had about a $1500.00 fee. I questioned it, and it was for 'excess' reconditioning fees.
#1 The person that traded it in already took the hit.
#2 WTH would I buy a bike that wasn't taken care of?
Don't pay! Find out who is the top salesmen and go at the very end of the month the salesmen are paid on a tier based on how many bikes they have sold. Tell him i want to see the pink, the invoice you wont make a dime on this bike but you will get another unit to increase your tier and overall paycheck
@@LJSiar and get told to get fd
When a dealership says "Welcome to the H-D family" consider yourself fk'd.
Lol they know they got you then, you come in for the free coffee and it turns into a $500 coffee every time you visit.
You should try a Ducati. 😂
I have bought my last harley. I won't outlive the bike I have but if I do, the next bike will NOT be a harley
I've been recovering my HD dealer fees by showing up and eating every free hotdog and every free beer I can get. Not sure how many more beers it will take to get to $1300
LMFAO that's great, that's one way to do it. I never thought of it like that!
Considering the hot dogs at Costco are a buck fitty, that’s a lot of dogs!
@@mellsterr6192 I hear ya, but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. LOL
Get em back at the buffet! Lol
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The last bike i bought was from a used motorcycle dealership. The price listed was the price you paid. No extra paperwork, no finance fee. Stated what they did to the bike and a price. No haggling. The price was the price. Will go back to them when i need a newer one.
That's what I like right there, I get the prep fee and whatever but just tell me the price and I will decide from there if it's fair to me for what it is. My dad was in sales for 30 years and worked at dealer like that once, he loved it from the salesman's point of view. It made his job easier and the customers really seemed to like it, that concept needs to come back.
Tired of the bullshit fees , oh this bike is 3k over list ? For what ? Fuck off, that's bullshit MSRP is there for a reason on a new bike , being honest goes a long way , let me decide if it is a good deal . And yeah prep fee on used bike , go scratch your ass, what a wash and oil change , make it reasonable.
@@GixxerFoo Aren't they getting prep fees times 2 since it's taken from the person that traded it in?
If you question the low ball trade in, part of that IS the prep. it's just the way it is.
Enterprise should start selling bikes, their claim to fame is the price on the sticker is the price you pay.
What dealership???
The toughest part about getting the “right” deal at the time and place you want it is having the discipline to be willing to walk away. If you can’t get what you want, at the price point you think is fair and honest, you have to be willing to find it at another dealer or at another time. Just walk away.
That's so hard to do when it's everything you been looking for, can't get excited and sign your life away in the heat of the moment.
I was looking at a used road king a couple years ago and the dealership wanted to tack on an $800 prep fee, which they add on to all used bikes. I asked what it was for. They said that fee is their average cost to get a trade in ready to go so oil change, new tires, etc. I took my trade back the next week to see if we could work out a deal. They looked at my trade and gave me a fair figure to start then noting it needed tires, oil change and state inspection, started taking the cost of those off the trade value. I asked if they were gonna charge the next guy the $800 fee when they sold my trade. They said they would. Essentially they were double dipping. I politely told the salesman they were trying to screw me and I won’t do business with them.
You did the right thing by walking away there, it's insane how they get away with stuff like this.
I had the exact same experience at Conrad, Harley, Davidson, in Illinois. I refused to pay their safety fee on the used bike and then they tried to take away from my trade-in and I told him the same thing and then you’re going to have the new owner pay it too you’re like the government taxing us twice . Worst thing is that every person there acted like they had a attitude then and didn’t even care about us as a customer. I ended up going and buying a brand new bike at Illinois Harley but with outrageous high prep fee, but to justify that I got him to throw on a sissy bar and labor for nothing. I spent hours haggling at dealerships and still felt like I got ripped off, but maybe did a little less for doing so.
Harley dealers in IL. Charge a 795.00 safety inspection fee, 358.00 doc fee , full sales tax and sometimes another prep. Fee. Buying private all you pay in IL. IS A 25.00 tax, plus of course plates and title fees. This saves a private buyer thousands! GO PRIVATE!
Absolutely! That's the only way to go, it sucks though if you find the perfect used bike at a dealer. The price is fair but then the add ons come into play.
That Windy City group is famous for doing this nonsense.
So... Since they are charging you a "safety inspection fee" and something catastrophic fails, causing you to get hurt, They are now libel instead of Harley? LOL!
@@serafinsilva1055 if it doesn’t fail on that initial ride home, HD won’t honor that anyway. They will argue that you can’t prove it was like that when you got it from them.
LOL I know exactly which dealers do that. They don't even check anything
Just like car dealers, motorcycle dealers do not want to give you an out-the-door price. They want to get you in with the finance manager and hit you with all this extra stuff. That's why I'll never buy a new bike or a car.
Finance manager, that's the other person it's not my responsibility to pay for. To me that's something the sales person should do is run your credit and see where they can finance you.
@@GixxerFoo Well, the finance manager isn’t really the credit specialist, he’s just a higher level salesperson. When people think of him as something other than a salesperson, they are suddenly compelled to pay extra money for whitewall tires - AND finance at 18% for 120 months!
@@deebedwell580finance manager is the "Warranty Specialist" 😅😅😅
Buying my first and only harley, I knew there would be a learning curve. It was an ok experience. In the end, I didn't feel like they earned my repeat business. The accessory parts sales experience sucked! Plus, during the warranty, I've had them service my bike 3 times for over $500 each. I thought It was getting the full service inspection. They didn't even check the air filter. As an Aircraft Mechanic, I can wrench and was willing to support my local dealer to build a community; I just didn't find what I was looking for.
That's part of what is killing the company right there is the dealer experience at every level. They wonder why a lot of people don't come back to Harley after dealing with experiences like that!
Bought my '93 FLHS October 1992 off the showroom floor the day they put it out. $11,700. Still riding it.
Have not ever wanted another HD after the bad stealer experience with a CVO VROD. It was good in a straight line, but was always draggin' something in corners.
I have an '09 FZ1 for corner carving and track with 153 rwhp.
The hog is what it is, and I can work on it and I support my local indy.
Color option fee is ridiculous. The bike is on the floor already painted and they want to charge extra for a factory color.
Surprised they don't charge a cover fee to walk in the door.
Black was the base color, now it's grey. Now they are charging more just straight gloss black.
Our dealership just added a $45 admin fee for all service work orders!! Unbelievable!
I would imagine that's in addition to "shop supplies", that's ridiculous. They act like it's some kind of honor to do business there.
Last year I bought a 2020 heritage with 3300 miles on it. They wanted to charge me 800 bucks for a reconditioning fee, what needed reconditioning, nothing, started to walk out the door, they removed the fee and I made them reduce the price of the bike
Very nice work! I love how the fees magically disappear. I had the same thing with a dealer once and by the time he said oh we won't charge you that I was just done.
@GixxerFoo it's like ask for forgiveness vs permission
I live in Poland (European Union). I bought 2 new motorcycles and one used 6-year-old motorcycle from the dealer. There were no strange fees, and they were even happy to offer various discounts. In the case of a used motorcycle, the commission was small.
Used bikes are big business. I worked for a dealer and I would watch private seller ads. Bikes would sit and sit, someone would be asking $7500 (USD) and I would get cash from the owner go and pull out 5K in cash. Say I work for a dealer, I want the bike and put the cash on seat. We got it for 5 and put it out front $9995, come off 500 bucks to makes someone feel like they got a deal. Still got about 4500 profit on it, that's the inside on a dealer.
@@GixxerFoo In 2018 I paid 21 000 PLN for 2012 sportster superlow. Dealer bought it from previus owner for 19 000 PLN, so dealer took only 2000 PLN (about $500).
In 2016 I bought new sportster 883r (2015 from Last year). Price was 42000 PLN but I paid 33900 PLN.
In 2020 I bought new softail street Bob. Basic price was 62000 PLN but I bought it for 56000. I wish the prices were like before covid. It was easy to buy new Harley.
Maverick Harley-Davidson in Texas tried to tack on a bunch of junk fees when I bought my used bike. I was in the office negotiating for over an hour. It wasn't until I walked out the door that they came out to the parking lot and finally offered to remove them.
That's how it's done right there! I had a similar experience where I said up front I am not paying the "fees". The guy was just so arrogant and a comment he made got me to walk out, I literally told him I am just kicking tires. "Are we doing this or what"? I shook my head and said, not today and not here.
Gotta be willing to walk away.
Get 'em last day of the month. Look for the sad sales rep...
Kawasaki charges over 300 dollars for a basic oil change. All dealerships are getting out of hand
That is absolutely insane for an oil change! I get things have gone up but my gosh that's crazy!
I’ve always built my own bikes from scratch, so I don’t have to worry about a dealer, or Individual screwing me.
There's nothing wrong with that and you cut out all the bs!
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That’s what I want to do too. I can’t find a bike I want nor can I find a dealer near me I want to support.
I was looking at a used bike at what used to be Ray Price HD in Raleigh, N.C. several years ago. A salesman came up with all the usual talk and I told him flat out I was not able to buy, I was just looking. He asked if I wanted to take the bike for a test ride. Well, sure. I'll take a ride whenever I get the chance. Rode it and when I came back he wanted to talk some more. Well, it wasn't a "talk" it was a hardcore sales pitch. The man was very aggressive. I could hardly get a word in edgewise. This sort of thing turns me off and especially did so since I told him I was not in a position to buy right up front. One thing I noticed, in all his fast talking, was that he was going to charge me a shipping fee. On a used bike? No way! I reminded him that I had told him I wasn't looking to buy and then he acted all upset, pretty much said I had wasted his time. I felt like if anyone's time was wasted, it was my own. He said he had motorcycles to sell, which meant he was pretty much done talking to me. I told him good luck with that, a comment he didn't seem to like at all. I started to find the manager and see what he thought of what had gone down. Then I thought, why bother? This guy is his own worse enemy. I checked back by a few weeks later and he no longer worked there. Wonder why?
I won't turn down a chance to ride anything lol, I've dealt with that crap. If you've ever seen the movie "Used Cars", there was dealer called Lynn Hickey Dodge in OKC, it was a lot like that. Tire spikes that let you in but not out, they would valet your car and hide it, it was the worst of the worst. I could almost see some Harley dealers getting to that level of insanity.
At least he wasn't trying to sell you a lottery ticket to buy a new Harley. I went into the Miami HD dealership 30 years ago to buy a new bike with hard cash in hand. But they would only sell a lottery ticket giving you the privilege to buy a new bike at inflated prices. I told him to go procreate himself, and bought a used bike from an individual. One day when us boomers die off so will Harley with no entry level bikes to attract young people they will all buy Honda instead.
I had the exact same experience at Conrad Harley in Illinois . I literally told them you’re like the government taxing us twice. I refused to pay the fee on both bikes, and then have the new owner have to pay the fee again . The funny thing is their motto is “honesty upfront “ the truth is they sugarcoat it. when I brought it to their attention, they only seem to be pissed off. Didn’t even seem to care if I was a customer or not. I ended up going to a different dealership and buying a new bike. I paid their disgusting outrageously way over expensive prep fee at illinois Harley but to justify that they paid for the parts and labor for my sissy bar . At least they seem like they wanted me as their customer. I spent hours haggling and I still feel like I got ripped off , but maybe not as much as I would’ve had I not
That's insane, it's just unreal that dealers act like that and lose sales over that garbage. Even crazier is how they stay in business with people actually buying bikes there and love the place.
No matter how cheap you buy a bike , it’s constant money out when owning any bike, especially if you ride that thing regularly.
But…. we love em!
We sure don't buy them as a retirement investment lol, but they are so worth the money spent.
If it's a good bike, most of that money is going for tires.
No extended warranty ever for me. It's a rip off even if I didn't invalidate it in the first 1K miles by modification. Buy the thing, do NOT finance it for any more than it's worth and own it. Screw the HD dealers. They're(in general) thieves. If you need to finance a motorcycle for more than a year, think again before signing a debt note for it. It is a losing proposition. You don't really own it and you're gonna get burned. BTW, if "Eag;eMark" financing appears on your credit report, count on losing 50 or so points. They're considered a consumer finance company for high-risk borrowers. Do it through your own bank and stay away from HD dealer financing.
I would honestly say Harley's financing is pretty predatory for some people. You can easily end up paying for that bike 3 times over in interest if you ever do pay it off. You can tell when someone is trying to selling a CVO for more or close to the price of new. Buyer's remorse is a real deal.
When I started riding 12 yrs ago Harley dealer always had a good amount of people shopping.
A few months ago I acquired a 2nd bike so went in a few times to get parts, the showroom is like a ghost town now.
They have pretty much run everyone off to other brands or to the used bikes the way they have done things.
Here in Ireland, I purchased my 2003 Fatboy 2 years ago from the main Harley Davidson dealer, the owner of the shop is Biker and president of a 1% MC and gave me a great trade in deal on my own motorcycle, fantastic to deal with.
That's awesome! You know as long your on the good side of MC you're in pretty good vs the latter.
I will never buy a bike from a dealership.
I tried to buy a used bike from a dealership, a few years ago. I was willing to put up with their slimey tactics, to a point. I tried multiple dealerships, too. I cannot stand them any more.
It's that kind of garbage that turns so many people off from the brand!
Last Harley I bought was from an Indian dealer. Price was actually pretty good on the bike, and they had a doc fee that wasn't too bad, but my final negotiated price was OTD. They didn't make me insure it or plate it, and they delivered it 40 miles to my house as it was cold weather season. Yea for the Indian dealer!
That's awesome to hear! Indian dealers usually have really good deals on used Harleys. Sounds like they took care of you and treated you right!
My local dealer adds a$649 doc fee and $849 dealer fee. RIP off bastards.
That's exactly what I am talking about when I say junk fees, dealer and doc fees that's such a joke.
Have the strength to get up and walk!!!
@@FloatingFire358 l would never pay any rip-off fees for anything.
@@frankmarkovcijr5459 sorry! I didn't want to imply you did, trying to encourage others to walk off the deal . Its the same at almost all dealerships, not just HD.
Just say "no"...
Over the years (since 1990), I've gone to my local H-D dealership on 4 separate occasions wholly prepared to by a new motorcycle. The dealership screwed the pooch every single time. The last time (October 2023) they had the audacity to charge $1945.75 in fees plus an additional mystery deal add on of $755.61. I don't care if the greed is corporate's or the dealership's...all I know is that they seem content to be 0 for 4 in sales and I can't be the only customer that they've turned away. I'll continue to buy used from an independent shop or private party.
That's bad, it's amazing they even stay in business and even more amazing people will pay that too!
P.s. save on Fees, and by your harley, private party.all the good stuff has already been added, ect,ect. Cheaper to rebuild the motor, than to by a Bike, I.e. financing.
Harley is happy to help with private party sales now with financing, they hit you with fees there too.
I was looking to pick up a bike in 2022. My local HD dealer had a used bike I was interested in, but didn't list the price on the website. I filled out their online form requesting a price but they tried the hard sell of getting me on the phone, and trying to get me to come into the dealer. (I was looking to see if it was in the ball park of what I was willing to pay because I didn't want to waste their time, or mine) They flat out refused to give me a price unless I showed up in person, then they didn't have the bike they advertised and tried to talk me into something else.
I had also emailed a local Suzuki dealer, who gave me an out-the-door price over email. I went to the Suzuki dealer later that day and bought the bike. So, HD lost a sale by playing stupid games!
Annnnd Harley wonders why the aren't selling as many bikes, that's some serious BS and they played bait and switch at that.
My wife went into Seacoast HD in NH knowing what she wanted to buy and they were such jackasses she walked away and bought a used one from another woman.
She did the right thing not putting up with their crap if they are going to treat her like that!
Harley drove a lot of small mom & pop dealers out of business in the ‘90s when they made them all build huge palaces and sell all kinds of clothes and such. The remaining dealers are probably still trying to pay off that upgrade expense.
That's exactly why most all Harley-Davidson dealers are owned by investment companies anymore. It takes that pool of money to keep with the dealership requirements, very few wealthy individuals privately own dealerships.
Have not had the pleasure (?) of purchasing a bike from a dealer...was fortunate enough to find my 2005 Sportster XL200C and 2004 FXDL thru private sellers. 🙏
You aren't missing much and they sure treat it like you should be grateful to buy one from their dealer.
never bought from Harley dealer, but I have always haggled with an "all inclusive" price, thats means total, no hidden fees, and works well at used car dealers.
as for me, i have no intentions of ever buying a NEW Harley, i was 1 that dealers mistreated in the 90's and they went after the yuppies, several places wouldnt deal with me to sell me oil, then 1 dealer had a bike i liked, tried to work a deal, and I was offered peanuts for my old shovelhead, $600 claimed it was worn out, needed lots of work, they argued about transmission leak? I still had the factory chain oiler working, which keeps chain lubricated, but they used the oil splattered chain rear wheel to say it leaked, i walked out cussing, only been back 1 time in 15 years, that was to order new key.
I don't blame you a bit and they wonder why they aren't selling as many bikes these days!
@@GixxerFoo well after the mess in the 1990's, then that, I have always had used bikes, bought from individuals, & I wear my patch upside down, if you remember that movement? so im a permanently lost customer, how many more i wonder, & I have spread the word on flipped patches many years
Dealers are killing sales of all kinds of vehicles. Shame people can't buy direct from the factory. This affects all motorcycle brands. Of course the giant mega dealerships don't help(overhead must be superhigh).
I visited greenville, sc dealer last week. Nice dealership with good inventory. No info displayed on new or used bikes. No msrp, fees, mileage on used bikes, nothing. Not for me, so I left.
I wanted a Harley, so I went to my dealer as several bikes were priced right for me. Shit what a waste of time, I looked they went in the office and came back with way bigger payments than they said and advertised. I gave my dealer every chance to sell me a ride but, in the end, I stood there and watched the salesman's shoot himself in both feet. Ya know by the time I left I was angry and sad at the same time; the guy didn't even seem interested in selling anything. What the hell has happened to Harley Davidson.
I can't stand dealers like that, that turns me off so fast. I don't blame you a bit for walking out of there.
Just remember that depending on if you do all your own work on the bike and are going to do anything to the engine internals, a warranty might just be a waste of money depending on whether or not it still covers the engine after you’ve done some things to it. These days the warranty might only be applicable if you only add Screamin Eagle parts.
It is when it's done at the dealer using SE parts, the warranties aren't worth much when it's a fight to get it honored.
I think most all dealers are doing this regardless of manufacturer most are not even trying to hide it, ‘additional markup’
I've seen it at several dealers aside from Harley, Indian dealers haven't been so bad about it in my area. I feel like Indian is still trying to build up the brand and that's a great way to get someone turned off by Harley markups on an Indian.
I worked at an indian dealership where we charged a total of 695 dealer fee. That was it
A few years later went to work at another indian dealership. They charged 995-1495 on freight fee. 995 dealer fee and 499 dealer prep. It was quite difficult to sell bikes
I can see the 695 especially on a new bike, freight and prep etc. But you get anymore than that and people walk out, which is horrible if you're the one selling the bike.
BUMPUS in jackson Tennessee, $ 500 reconditioning fee and $395 doc fee, I won't buy from a harley dealer no more
Yeah I would bumpus right off the lot without a bike cause I wouldn't pay that either.
I can't really give you my experience on that. I did go to my local Harley dealer here in australia, back in 2014. I ordered a Softail with a Screaming Eagle 120ci motor, ape hangers, king & queen seat/sissy bat (or rather Harley's take on a king & queen seat/sissy bar). $50,000. I was knocked back on finance. I went out, found a 1997 Softail Custom with apes etc & a dodgy gearbox for $13,000. Bought a S&S 124ci crate engine $10,000 & a Jims Fat 5 Overdrive $5,000. So for $28,000 I got almost the same bike, but instead of a Twin Cam, I had a brand new Evo engine & a bulletproof gearbox. I love that bike. More than the Twin Cam I almost bought. I am still friends with the dealership boys. They are great people. My only gripe is they won't look at any bike built before 2000
Happy trails, Cowpoke
That's awesome! That hot Evo has got to be a monster and honestly a much better engine!
Great info as usual, thanks. It's going to be more relevant as all the new changes from H-D & the EPA start to run the costs up on new bikes. The dealers & bike shops are going to have more & more leverage. Unfortunately, those that are first time buyers are going to be more compelled to buying from a dealer thinking that it is safer to buy from them and I for one don't trust them. Even when you know the people. Sadly, the nature of the sales business.
You are 100% correct, I know I am not telling most people that watch the channel what they don't already know. You hit the nail on the head is that first time buyers feel safer buying from a dealer, in some cases it's more expensive but it might be best.
El cajone HD was selling a 1200 sporty used advertised at $10,500. The out the door price was $16,500 with fees
That is absolute insanity and just taking advantage of people... sad part is people probably got taken by that too.
Remember, they can charge anything they want & just might get it if they wait long enough. Just know what you want & what you are willing to pay before you head in the door. Like I always say “ I’m always looking & occasionally buying”…
Absolutely and they will charge whatever they can get away with!
Unfortunately there are many that will pay whatever they charge just because it is a Harley, same goes for Indian. Before getting my RE Hunter I rode, and still will ride my 1997 Valkyrie, made in the USA BTW. I shut up a Harley boy a couple years ago running his mouth by showing him the made in USA stamp on the bike.
My recommendation is to shop independant shops or private individuals only. My recent Dyna aquisition was done like that. No fees or surprises. My check was for the agreed upon amount, not a penny more! 120Rs are FUN!
Now that's a score finding a used bike with a 120R already installed!
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I have known the bike for 6 years but never thought I would be able to afford it or that any of the 3 owners would ever sell it. My main ride is an 03 SV1000S, and it still is but that Dyna is badass in different ways.
If you are in Germany it is well worth it to shop at the Würzburg Harley Davidson dealership. I went to 4 different Harley dealers and this one was the only one that had the right vibes. No stupid fees just reasonable fees.
It's just crazy how much easier it is do business on a bike outside the States, what I have heard it sounds like how it used to be here in the States.
I bought a used HD at a dealership and they gave me a great deal. The price was right and they put extra parts on the engine and waved 850 dollars in labor. They have been there for any parts I ordered and the only problem I had was a ignition switch. That I got from drag specialty's and I installed it myself. Finks Harley Davidson in Zanesville Ohio.
So I have a pretty good story I guess but it’s still not over. I purchased a 2012 fat bob from my local Harley dealer in the beginning of march of this year, it had a built 103 with lots of history, which I found out after the purchase.
Less than 1 month I heard a noise between 3-4k rpm’s, took it in and they found that the crank (which was replaced in October of ‘22) had was to much run out causing the piston skirts to slap the cylinder walls. Now the dealer has sent my heads and jugs out to Zippers to be redone, the dealer is putting in a performance crank, which should have been put in before. This is all on their dime which they didn’t want to do but after lots of talks they decided to do. Mind you this is my first Harley that I have bought from a dealer and probably my last. It’s been a huge pain for me.
Sounds like they are cutting you a really good deal there! Can't beat that, it's a pain in the butt to argue but it's gonna be worth it.
Big G'day GixxerFoo from Down Under 🇦🇺
It's 7am Saturday morning here in Melbourne Victoria Australia 🇦🇺
Great content yet again helping the HD community worldwide.
May all your days be Harley days
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Thank you! Finally summer and we can start getting out riding without freezing to death! Thank you for your support!
My most hated thing they try to do is the service fee on both ends. They give you less on a trade bc they’ll have to let the service department go through it and see what it needs. Then they try to hit you with a service fee on the used bike you’re buying. Nope
That's exactly how they do it, try to justify every aspect of low balling you.
Patience is a virtue, know exactly what you want and do a hard target search then wait. Don't worry how long it takes, it's well worth the wait. It's going to be YOUR bike.
I got a few saved on Marketplace and a couple on Craigslist. If there gone before you're ready, oh well, keep looking. Before you know it You'll have what YOU want when you're ready.
All that and no dealer.
You really got to take your time and watch the used market, for sure the right one not at a dealer eventually comes along.
Good content as always!
Sadly that's all it's turned into these days!
Great channel man, I look forward to it every week. My old cammed 88 is smoking from rear cylinder with a noise. Now’s the time to big bore. My question, I hope you can answer. Should I go S&S 100”? Will I see a big improvement? What can I do about my heads? I got the biggest Fueling kit/cams before I have to install springs. On the cheap, what direction should I go? Can’t really afford new heads but they’ll be off. Ideas?
The 100 inch kit is $$ compared to a 95", if you're working on a budged the 95" with some bolt in cams would really be some bang for the buck. A nice mild port job on the heads would run you about $800 bucks to port and get the heads cleaned up. You'll need valve springs unless you go with a bolt in cam. If you're goin on a budget the 95 inch kit with some bolt in cams, clean up the heads and it'll rip hard over stock!
@@GixxerFoo I couldn’t find the Twin Power brand 95” kit you recommended in a video from 3 years ago. Any other recommendations?
I had such a poor experience when buying my 2022 xl1200x that I will never go buy another Harley. I just totaled that bike and will be replacing it with an Indian Sport Chief simply because of the poor experience from start to finish. I'd much prefer to buy a Low Rider S, but there is no way on earth I am giving them my hard earned money again. (PS. I'm good...just lots of road rash. And yes, I wear gear.)
I feel you, that's why I say Harley shoots themselves in the foot time and time again. I am a Harley guy but I can say from own experience I have had a better experience just browsing the Indian dealers. It's not surprise to me the best inventory on a used Harley are at the Indian dealers. It's no mystery as to where all those Harleys came from used.
I bought mine Military Sales while abroad USS Midway VA-115 1981-83. Picked it up Portland Motosports in Fall of 83. Paid $25 Dealer set up fee. Still own and ride that Shovelhead.
Those Shovels are some fun bikes! Pretty cool you still have it after all these years!
My local HD still has not lowered prices on their 2023 bikes.
That's crazy, I've had people comment on the steals they got on 2023 models cause a lot of dealers are trying to get rid of them!
Make 'em an offer and then walk away.
Friend found perfect bike online. Went to dealer, looked at bike. Asked price. Was told that the payment could vary. Guy said he wanted the bike's price. They wanted his info for financing. Guy left dealer frustrated. All the small dealers are being swallowed up. Not sure who likes the dealer experience. I sure don't.
I enjoy watching on Fridays most of the time,other times i like to wait for all the great comments left behind,this is one of those times.
Cheers GF...
The comments do get really interesting, I try to keep up with them over the weekend and catch up with the rest on Mondays.
I work on my own bikes. You'll never see my bikes in the garage at Harley, ever! If I can't do something I call my buddy who owns a local bike shop! I believe anyone can work on their own bikes, man, just gotta watch, listen n learn. It can be intimidating at times, but thats what makes it fun!
Watch and listen is the best way to learn, take that knowledge and apply it!
Wife attempted to buy a used Softail Slim at Rock and Roll JD in Ohio . Initial price was $14,000 . She was putting $4000 down. After all the add-on BS ( dealer prep,delivery,1 year warranty, etc) payoff after 4k down was another 24k. Noped tf right out the door.
Oh hell yeah I would of been out the door too! That's just insanely crazy, I don't see how they stay in business like that.
I bought a brand new Deuce and paid on it for four years, no problem. I got behind on payments. I caught and got current on all payments and late fees. I paid them everything and had the finances to continue paying it. They said everything was good. Just continue pay as agreed. Then Harley Financing repoed it that week. Guess who will never buy another Harley, Ever. I sure like my Honda Fury!
That's absolutely crazy how they do business, I don't blame you for leaving Harley at all.
recently, i saw SDHD put a used street glide on sale for $10,900. i went in and their out the door came to $19,400, which included a 2 year warranty. COME ON MAN.
Holy crap that is absolutely insane! The price gets you in the door and then they tack on the fees.
I bought a new Yamaha a couple weeks ago.... looked on the importers web site $9995.. went into the shop Prise tag said $9995 thats what I payed plus the rego & WOF charges being a new bike... plus it gets a labor free service at 1000km ,oil/filter & valves..
I'm in New Zealand
That's awesome and that's the way it should be!
Bought my last new Harley in 2016. Couldn’t sell the old 2008 bike, nobody wanted it. Had to trade it in. Nobody wants a used bike anymore.
It ain’t just Harley. I was looking for a Yamaha MT-03… a bike that MSRP’s for a minuscule $4999. I couldn’t find a dealer that would give me an out-the-door price of less than $6800! A bike should jump 33% in junk fees alone.
That's just insane on a bike like that! They are getting popular now since they have the suspension, looks and features you used to only get on big bikes. Plus they are real world usable power and a blast to ride.
I've purchased two bikes from HD of Edmonton, one barely used, one new.. Both times, the price on the tag was the out the door price. Both buying experiences were great. Maybe our rules are a little different up here in the Great White North. Either way, I've cultivated a great relationship with the staff at the dealer and still own both bikes.
I’ve purchased several Harley-Davidson motorcycles new. I shopped around at different dealers to compare prices. Now upfront, I knew about how much the dealers were paying. I knew they needed a profit. But they weren’t going to get it all from me. I purchased a 2009 Road Glide because of the new frame. I got a good deal. I upgraded in 2021 to the new 2021 Road Glide Standard after shopping around to get a good deal.
That’s the secret. Shop around and don’t be afraid to walk!
Absolutely, especially if you're not afraid to take a road trip to get a bike too. You can find some deals if you're willing to do some traveling.
My experience years ago. Loved the sportser XR 1000. Rode up on my R/75. Mind you my first street bike was a 70 FLH. Salesman, sure you can handle this, it's preety fast. Uh my beemer was just as fast, & had a higher top end. I had cash. Attitude lost the sale.
Ummm the BMW would blow the the XR 1000 away, even with the performance kit they sold at the time. I love Harley but it isn't gonna hang with a BMW of the era.
I brought my 88 2006 ultra classic HD paid cash now with 45 thousand miles on it I need replacement parts HD can't help me I'm done with them
I know we often blame the dealers for the whole additional fee situation. My opinion is that the root issue here is with Harley corporate. They force dealers to invest in these extravagant and expensive buildings, staffing matrix and a ton of other required expenses. All unnecessary in my opinion. My local dealer is a true Mom and Pop operation from the 40’s. Owner tells me all the time about the pressure from corporate.
You got a good point, they force dealers into these things and they have to come up with other ways to cover those costs.
I blame the buyer, they set the stage with their ego that HD and others take advantage of. Not to mention the thumbing our nose at opportunities to buy new brands. There needs to be another, or more US made affordable motorcycles, if the buying public is not so worried about their ego. Frankly I am proud I don't own a Harley, or Indian, nothing against you that do, but why do you, is it just the name.
A buddy of mine just had the stator replaced at the HD stealer. It cost $1,053.32. I was like what? Are you kidding me? Now he admits he is not one to turn wrenched except the wrong direction. But crap I just put one in my old piece of crap and I just can't see it.
There are so many indy shops out there that will tell you they would love to charge what Harley dealers do but they like to sleep at night.
My local dealer wanted to charge me a $10,000 covid tax (dealer markup). I said I'm not paying that. The dealer said, "Let's go into the office and talk about it." I told them we just did and walked out.
I ended up at another local dealer with no added markup.
Talk about what?! 10K on top of the price?! A motorcycle isn't completely a life or death thing, they lost their minds.
Whenever I buy anything like a bike or car I always ask for the Out The Door Price! That is so I don't have to hear about any of those add on fees. If I like the price I will buy it if not I walk away. Sometimes they'll ask you so how do you intend to pay for it. I tell them we'll work something out! It all depends on the out the door price!
That's what exactly what I like to hear, and that's why I did business at Forman. They didn't yank you around, this is the price out the door with no BS.
Yes, it is the out the door price that is most important…
I work on my own I have for 40 years iv owned a 09 sportster 1200 custom for last 4 years my first harley probably my experience there not hard to work on lol at least for me I bought mine off of a older guy low miles and a good price it never was abused
Sportsters are some the easiest most straight forward engines out there, almost even more that the big twin Evo.
Just ask for the out the door price (final total). Get it in writing. Tell them what you want to pay. If they go for it, the fees don't matter. You're looking for the final price that can be agreed on. If the dealer won't work like that, move on to a different one. There's plenty of them out there.
They really don't like to do the OTD price cause that limits what they mess you over on later.
In 2019 I went to Man-of-War HD to check on 1200 Iron, on top of all their fees they add $1000 as standard mark up......plus they came up with some really bad financing thru local bank instead of the HD advertised financing rate
They made an iron unpurchaseable, last year I bought 2019 1200 Iron 5000 miles for $5000 from my Kawasaki dealer
It just blows my mind that they make these bikes unpurchaseable! Then I tell myself they do it because someone eventually bites, I am glad you didn't! Dang you got a heck of a deal on your 2019! Buying a bike used from a dealer that doesn't sell that brand is the way to do it!
I won’t by a used Harley from the dealership just for that very reason of the tacking on all the extra fees. I’ll stick with buying a used Harley or any other bike for that matter from a private owner with very low mileage.
That's the issue with trying to buy from the dealer used is the fees. They will ruin a good buy on a used bike in a hurry.
A couple years back one of the hd dealers near me got caught over charging for dealer paperwork by the state & had to pay back customers word is it cost them 50 grand to pay back LMAO !
Holy crap! That hurt, but that's what they get, good to hear something actually getting done about it!
Don't know if you heard, but H-D Co. is considering mandating that all dealerships begin implementing a 'visitation fee' payable by all non-employees (i.e., the public) who set foot in a H-D dealership. No word yet as to how much the fee will be, except that it may be less for females (reportedly because on average they are smaller than men and therefore take up less space and consume less oxygen - not sure where that leaves non-binary folks). Anyways, just wanted to give y'all a heads up to bring some cash (cash only) next time you drop in at you favorite H-D dealership. Will keep you posted as soon as I find out more.
I’m calling bs on this.
That's interesting, the way some of the dealers are it wouldn't surprise me charging admission just to get in and look around.
@@GixxerFoo Gotcha ! ; )
The last bike I bought was from a consignment dealer. I paid the asking price and a 90 documentation fee.
That's the way my local dealer did used bikes, they didn't take trade ins and they didn't buy used bikes. Consignment sales only, they didn't touch the bikes and only put them on the floor to sell. So everything was on you, they were just the middle man per say to sell it.
My buddy traded his Super Glide in on a brand new U Glide it was only 3 years old very low miles they did not give him shit for it They then turned around and sold it for 3 grand more then he got The bike only sat there a week before they sold it We know the guy that bought it 😮
I worked in a dealer and that's exactly what happens. We would scout the private seller ads, for example we'd offer cash $5,000 on a bike someone is asking $7500 for. Then we'd put it on the lot for $9,995 then take 500 off for someone make 4500 .
Only thing i ever get from harley dealer is a battery when you call they give you 1 price you go to get it it be $20
I have experienced that same thing myself as well.
The fees were one thing but the lie of come on in we have 3 used Sportster 1200 Customs in stock like our website shows and they had none. Tried to upsell me from a $7,500.00 1200 which is pricey already to a Softail Standard for $14,998.00+ tax, fees, and financing. I walked away, helmet in hand
I would of done the same thing! Sounds like a good old bait and switch there!
I've had car dealers try this crap and I just get up and leave and never come back. Buying from an individual with good maintenance records is the way to go. If you don't know enough about Harleys to look the motorcycle over and ask questions, ask the owner if he will take it to a mechanic of your choice to inspect it. If the motorcycle is dirty and the owner starts, well it needs this and that walk away.
It's hard to walk away sometimes but it can save you a lot of money and headaches.
I like buying used twin cams and evos (carbureated) from women who didn’t put many miles on em.
I see you know the secret, you see and add with all kinds of extra gear and accessories and you can tell someone got excited and lost interest.
For me it's the parts availability issues right now. I'm under warranty, everytime my bike is in the shop it's a month before they can get parts. My bike has been in over 2 months this time. Not a fan.
Oh yeah they have been having that for years. I went in to order an SE air cleaner, it was 2 weeks out.
I wish i knew about garbage fees the last time i bought my used Harley. The price was 16k but then after its all said and done (being fully paid off) it amounted to 26k HOLY SHIT!
Another thing is when you make payment i thought after every payment the interest was supposed to go down at least slightly. My last payment the interest went up 4 dollars. ??? I almost have it paid off and seeing a portion of my payment go to interest hurts but for it to go up as the payments go down is really infuriating.
The fees add up really quick and then if you finance the interest charges add up. Best thing is just not getting buried in dealer fees!
I found the bike that I wanted at a dealership but I really didn't need the bike. I went and looked at it and saw it had about $4,000 in upgrades but I still wasn't sure if I wanted to buy it. After looking at the same bike online the price was in the middle ($500 difference +/- ) but they didn't have the upgrades. I shot them a tax, title, out the door price and they accepted. I left happy with the price, the deal, and the experience.
Nothing wrong with that and that's how it's done. If they don't take it, take your business elsewhere.
Not just fees one Harley Davidson dealership I went too try to upsell the price of motorcycles this location has been bought out by another Harley Dealership back in June 2023 and they tried to sell me a 2023 Street Bob for 27,7XX. 720 monthly payments was what they wanted me to agree on. That was outrageous I just walked out of the store. I can see a street glide or a road glide, but for a street bob, get out of here.
They wanted that for Street Bob?! OMG how do these places stay in business, even more mind boggling is someone has to be biting on it or they wouldn't be doing it.
720 payments! You would never pay it off. On a 28000$ deal none the less.
The place was called Heritage Harley in IL I think it was located in town called Naperville. It's closed now they got bought out by an owner that owns multiple Harley Davidson in the Chicagoland area. A sales man at Illinois Harley Davidson in Countryside told me this.
Even if you paid $50 per month it is $36000. And I'm sure you would be paying wsy over 50. Your children would inherit your payment book. 60 years is a long time!!
This has happened with EVERY car dealership I have dealt with over the past 40 years. Just saying it's not just a HD issue. Maybe it's because so many car dealerships now own HD Dealerships? Shop smart.
I can't stand car dealers and the games, this is a huge reason why I am still driving the same truck I bought gently used 15 years ago lol.
Tucson Harley said my used 2019 Street Glide came with free batteries for life. I later found out I was charged $700 for it.
That's some crap right there! You need a battery once every 5 or 6 years, that's a pretty good scam.
In my area all motorcycle and car dealers add a bunch of BS fees. Always make an out the door offer. Just look up the NADA value guide and find out what the tax, and tag fees should be and make an offer. Either they take the offer or they don't.
That's the best way to do it and they don't like it when you bring up the book, try to bs you some more.
My local dealership, Laidlaws Harley-Davidson never charges any extra fees.
Matt and the guys are great.
You know that's exactly why they are a high volume dealer and been family owned for generations, they do things the way it should be done.
I was at a dealership in North Central Pa.They wouldn't accept a cash sale!!!
Okay, I had to read that twice. Business can't be that good that they will turn down cash. They want to finance it, pile on fees, bury you so you bring the bike back to sell it there and they double dip over and over again.
@@GixxerFoo I found my current ride a few weeks later on fb Marketplace,more options ,lower price ,low miles.Ill never go back to that dealership.
I have always gone the direction of buying privately. I get the safety done as part of the deal so my only extra fees are for reviewing the condition of the bike and getting it certified. You get dealer expertise without dealer markup. Ride on!
That's the beauty of those little shops! You don't have all the dealer BS.
Bought my last two bikes online. Last one being from Road Track & Trail. The price listed was the price you paid.
Heritage Harley got shut down for bad business practice of overcharging customers. They just relocated the scam to other Harley dealerships in the area
I am honestly impressed something was actually done about it. But like you said they just opened back up somewhere else.
It’s a clothing store that sells bikes 😂😂
Its has virtually turned into that now that they have dedicated "apparel stores".
Good Vid... Local dealership, it does help I know them, and them me. I was in there 2 weeks ago. Was caught looking at a '23 (new) Heritage. They offered to cut 1g below MSRP, and scrub the prep, & trucking. Even offered 1.9apr. Economy is struggling a bit in my area. Floor was covered in used and new bikes. Several '23's... When in DFW metro, or Austin TX markets, I feel the hustle. I ask for out the door number off the top. Just that seems to sort the Wheat from Chaf.
Thank you! That's awesome! Sounds like you found a good dealer! Can't beat them waiving fees and kicking some more off the top!
thank phuk i live in England where the price on the ticket is what you pay, new or used
I wish it was that way here! No games, no bs, price is the price, that's hard to find here in the States.