Professor Sedgwick, many thanks for sharing your views, and profound knowledge, in this matter. I must agree, whichever the definition or classification of far right there seem to include an anti Muslim agenda. I believe France is only a flavour of Central European countries. Great conversation, many thanks to both of you. 👍🏽😘
@@israelmorris1789 Yes ,according to Wikipedia, he was a Muslim which means he has submitted his will to our One Creator Rabbuna Allah . And did you know that according to the the Holy Quran even prophet Moses commanded the people whom have submitted to our One Creator to put their trust into Him: (84. Moses said, “O my people, if you have believed in Allah, then put your trust in Him, if you have submitted.”) Surah10 Yunus (Jonah) ayah 84 from the Holy Quran the last book revealed by our Creator Allah Almighty to the last of his prophets Muhammad (peace be upon them all). I pray to our One True Creator to guide us to the truth. Ameen
Lol these guys are gonna fail in the end, don't worry. At-Taubah 9:32 "They wish to extinguish Allah’s light[[ i.e., religion of truth. ]] with their mouths, but Allah will only allow His light to be perfected, even to the dismay of the disbelievers"
Thanks so much for the great conversation ! I think it was a great idea to work on the nuances within the far right movement, it is very good to have an understanding of what we are dealing with. While it is true that the Trump and similar movements are wide tents inside of which not everyone is necessary racists or anti-Muslim, we should not forget that they are very comfortable or at least do not have any problem being in the same tent with the KKK, American Nazis and generally hateful people that would hurt the "other "in any way possible or at least not object to it. In other words their right wing priorities for them are above their humanity. So in the end of the day they are all the same, for me at least.
Along similar lines, I’d recommend “Dark Star Rising: Magick and Power in the Age of Trump” by Gary Lachman. This one connects Christian New Thought and the prosperity gospel to trends in general thought and the occult, which the Trump and Putin cults exemplify. I’m also a fan of Sedgewick’s earlier “Against the Modern World.”
Thank you once again for another stimulating discussion. It sounds like the United States is the perfect model for the ideal nation, from what is being discussed. We have 50 distinct, regional cultural identities in our fifty united states. A typical Texan is not the same as the typical Californian, for instance. Oddly though, it is the most politically liberal, modernist and secular of the fifty that are most welcoming to migrating Muslims. Our conservative fellow Americans derisively call our caring cities "Sanctuary Cities". When did sanctuary become a description of evil? When conservatives (Trumpites) decided it so. These conservatives promote a TRADITION that does not include Muslims in the U.S. The story of Ukraine's separation from Russia, as the USSR disintegrated, and Boris Yeltsin's role in it is very interesting and worth study, by the way. (Hitler's Mein Kampf is published by 'liberal' Boston publisher Houghton Mifflin. We liberals in the US are not frightened by ideas that we disagree with.)
Maybe because the USA is huge and some states are almost like an entire country in Europe and some are even bigger. Unlike in Europe where people are stuffed together due to the small area and high population density. Also the USA has always been a multi-ethnic country, Hispanics, blacks, whites, Asians, and we can see refugees from Somalia, Indian subcontinent, and other places... Immigration to USA is not a new thing, and America is not originally a white country although the majority are originally White Europeans but the consensus is that it belongs to the native Americans. Unlike Europe, it was always considered a white man's country. So you have historical and geographical differences between Europe and USA.
Whether conservatives or liberals are really more welcoming is debatable. Not because conservatives are tolerant, but rather that plenty of liberals see Islam as a threat in the religion's inherent conservatism. There are also thriving Muslim communities in the very conservative American southwest as it is a pretty tolerant region for its more conservative nature.
@@plung3r huh Europe was never considered white man’s country?! Well it is known as the dark continent, one where northern Europeans discriminate against southern Europeans, you have to admit that Europeans historically have not been open to other religions except Satanism.
Thank Q for this fantastic debate ,it is always a pleasure to listen to and to learn as they are very imformative ,wish you well and keep up the good work and bless you and your guest.
My humble request to brother Paul please invite Prof. Micheal Penn on the Topic of middle eastern Christians and Muslims relation in the history of Muslim rule.
You might also enjoy the Abdal Hakim Murad video “Riding the Tiger of Modernity” (riffing off of Evola’s book). It’s on the Cambridge Muslim college channel.
Allow me Paul to point out to the irony prevalent in this discussion, which is sadly the reality of traditional Islam, the somewhat elephant in the room, and the countless similarities it shares with the traditional (radical) right, I’m not well aware with your precise Islamic views but from a quick look at your videos and the sort of comments I see from people here, there’s definitely a strong traditional favor of Islam running around deep. I’d like to show some of the similarities between the two worldviews now and these are only from the top of my head: -A view that looks at history as only moving in declining direction, while this is prevalent in the radical right it is also prevalent in traditional Islam which views history as hitting its golden age in the time of the prophet and his companions and only declining from there to our day with no possibility of reversing this except by an apocalypse that destroys our world and starts a new one. -A belief in hierarchy based on caste in the case of the radical right (RR) and on religious belief in the case of traditional Islam (TI), in TI there are the upper caste (the true muslims) and the lower caste (the christians,jews, fake muslims, and everybody else) despite in TI it is definitely easier to up yourself by converting. -A belief in a totalitarian militraristic state in a constant eternal struggle with everyone else. -Antisemitism (obviously) -A belief in an apocalypse brought about by holy war. -A strong opposition to liberal, secular and democratic values and individual freedoms and rights, and a hate towards LGBTQ people and seeing them as decadence that must be destroyed.
It's weird with the right...on one hand I agree with most of what they say but then I hear some of them go off on Muslims and even be rather secular and it's just... ugh 😫
9:05 - I'slam is only a word meaning 'salvation' ie that which brings a out safety. The quran answers such anti-city peons is surah Al-Ahzab 33:60 لَّئِن لَّمْ يَنتَهِ ٱلْمُنَٰفِقُونَ وَٱلَّذِينَ فِى قُلُوبِهِم مَّرَضٌ وَٱلْمُرْجِفُونَ فِى ٱلْمَدِينَةِ لَنُغْرِيَنَّكَ بِهِمْ ثُمَّ لَا يُجَاوِرُونَكَ فِيهَآ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is disease and those who spread rumors in the city do not cease, we will surely gristle you by them; then they will not remain your neighbors therein except for a little,
Islam should be understood as Submission ONLY to God(Allah) without associating partners with Him in worship or worshipping other deities. The first Muslims were Adam(pbuh) and Eve(Gbph) and the first anti-God(Allah) rebel was Lucifer. Noah(pbuh), Abraham(pbuh), Moses(pbuh), Jesus(pbuh) and the last and final messenger Mohamed(pbuh) were all Muslims or Submittees ONLY to God(Allah) without associating partners with Him or worshipping other deities. Lucifer, Nimrod, Pharaoh, Atheists, Agnostics, Polytheists, Pantheists, Animists and Pagans are NOT Muslims or Submittees ONLY to God(Allah) without associating partners with Him in worship or worshipping other deities. Assigning the terms Islam and Muslims only to followers of prophet Mohamed(pbuh) is not fully correct. Islam and Muslims existed from Adam(pbuh) and Eve(Gbph) to the last Revelation to prophet Mohamed(pbuh).
I think people are cautious about making claims against people who testify to the two Shahadas, because no one wants to pretend to take God‘s place as judge. That’s dangerous.
These fears of yours are projections from your own mind. You are also conditioned by propaganda, as seen in the BBC documentary “The power of nightmares.”
@@thedukeofholland3926 what you’re complaining about is the effects of climate change and the effects of the support of dictators in the Middle East. The US and the West in general has been in the driver seat for many decades, so the missteps caused blowback.
@@thedukeofholland3926 Also, our response to 9/11 was clumsy and ill intentioned. We had the world on our side but we decided not to accept the offer to send bin Laden to the world court, and then we decided to double down on full spectrum dominance, the Pentagon term, and waste millions of lives and vast treasure on a useless counterproductive war.
A bit of a fascinating difference between your reaction to Salman Rushdie being stabbed a dozen times and the 'tragic murder' of Darya Dugina, who claimed the Bucha massacre was staged, went to Mariupol and did selfies in the ruins, advocated the invasion of Ukraine and additional invasions. She seems very much to have aligned with her father, who described Ukrainians against the invasion as 'some kind of bastard race that emerged from the sewer' She was also a huge fan of Marine La Pen by the way.
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Just in time alhamdulilah, I was in need for something to listen to, and what's better than a juicy blogging theology video.
You are not alone, I feel the same way you do. Blogging theology is one of my best companion, thanks.
Brother Paul ,
You always find extremely interesting guests for that I thank you .
Follower for life
Brother Paul and the professor having blast I definitely enjoyed this historicity stream
This was my professor at AUC about twenty years ago when I went to college!!!!! I got an ‘A’ in his class!
Allah blesses you and your guests in both worlds for your service to Islam and Muslims, thank you, Paul!
Fascinating conversation as usual, I had no clue about Julius Evola until this conversation; keep putting out this great content. Jzk
Professor Sedgwick, many thanks for sharing your views, and profound knowledge, in this matter.
I must agree, whichever the definition or classification of far right there seem to include an anti Muslim agenda.
I believe France is only a flavour of Central European countries.
Great conversation, many thanks to both of you.
👍🏽😘
Thank you for your consistency very much appreciated Paul :)
Thank you paul for what you have done in my life my Allah bless you with longevity
Amazing to listen to this podcast as usual Paul, thank you
may Allah protects and guides us...............
Anyone noticed the amount of books behind both of them? We had 2% of those in whole school 😂😂
Dear brother paul Allah bless you you are doing great work on this planet and we love you
Glad to see Mark Sedgwick on here, I love his work! You should have him back on to talk about René Guénon
Great idea!
Didn't Rene Guenon revert to ISLAM. ?
A long time ago. ?
@@israelmorris1789 yes, he was a Muslim academic.
@@israelmorris1789
Yes ,according to Wikipedia, he was a Muslim which means he has submitted his will to our One Creator Rabbuna Allah .
And did you know that according to the the Holy Quran even prophet Moses commanded the people whom have submitted to our One Creator to put their trust into Him:
(84. Moses said, “O my people, if you have believed in Allah, then put your trust in Him, if you have submitted.”)
Surah10 Yunus (Jonah) ayah 84 from the Holy Quran the last book revealed by our Creator Allah Almighty to the last of his prophets Muhammad (peace be upon them all).
I pray to our One True Creator to guide us to the truth. Ameen
Lol these guys are gonna fail in the end, don't worry.
At-Taubah 9:32
"They wish to extinguish Allah’s light[[ i.e., religion of truth. ]] with their mouths, but Allah will only allow His light to be perfected, even to the dismay of the disbelievers"
Thanks so much for the great conversation ! I think it was a great idea to work on the nuances within the far right movement, it is very good to have an understanding of what we are dealing with.
While it is true that the Trump and similar movements are wide tents inside of which not everyone is necessary racists or anti-Muslim, we should not forget that they are very comfortable or at least do not have any problem being in the same tent with the KKK, American Nazis and generally hateful people that would hurt the "other "in any way possible or at least not object to it. In other words their right wing priorities for them are above their humanity. So in the end of the day they are all the same, for me at least.
God bless you Paul!
Along similar lines, I’d recommend “Dark Star Rising: Magick and Power in the Age of Trump” by Gary Lachman.
This one connects Christian New Thought and the prosperity gospel to trends in general thought and the occult, which the Trump and Putin cults exemplify. I’m also a fan of Sedgewick’s earlier “Against the Modern World.”
Such a deep take on an important topic thank you Paul and your guest :)
Dugin was a student of his muslim teacher (philosopher and thinker Haydar Jamal) who influenced him immensely..
Thank you once again for another stimulating discussion. It sounds like the United States is the perfect model for the ideal nation, from what is being discussed. We have 50 distinct, regional cultural identities in our fifty united states. A typical Texan is not the same as the typical Californian, for instance. Oddly though, it is the most politically liberal, modernist and secular of the fifty that are most welcoming to migrating Muslims. Our conservative fellow Americans derisively call our caring cities "Sanctuary Cities". When did sanctuary become a description of evil? When conservatives (Trumpites) decided it so. These conservatives promote a TRADITION that does not include Muslims in the U.S.
The story of Ukraine's separation from Russia, as the USSR disintegrated, and Boris Yeltsin's role in it is very interesting and worth study, by the way. (Hitler's Mein Kampf is published by 'liberal' Boston publisher Houghton Mifflin. We liberals in the US are not frightened by ideas that we disagree with.)
Maybe because the USA is huge and some states are almost like an entire country in Europe and some are even bigger. Unlike in Europe where people are stuffed together due to the small area and high population density. Also the USA has always been a multi-ethnic country, Hispanics, blacks, whites, Asians, and we can see refugees from Somalia, Indian subcontinent, and other places... Immigration to USA is not a new thing, and America is not originally a white country although the majority are originally White Europeans but the consensus is that it belongs to the native Americans. Unlike Europe, it was always considered a white man's country. So you have historical and geographical differences between Europe and USA.
@@plung3r No doubt you are correct. The U.S. has many advantages.
I pray to our One True Creator to guide us to the truth. Amen
Whether conservatives or liberals are really more welcoming is debatable. Not because conservatives are tolerant, but rather that plenty of liberals see Islam as a threat in the religion's inherent conservatism. There are also thriving Muslim communities in the very conservative American southwest as it is a pretty tolerant region for its more conservative nature.
@@plung3r huh Europe was never considered white man’s country?! Well it is known as the dark continent, one where northern Europeans discriminate against southern Europeans, you have to admit that Europeans historically have not been open to other religions except Satanism.
Thank you for sharing, interesting story, Subhanallah
Please bring on Ahmed Paul Keeler, Author of
RETHINKING ISLAM & THE WEST A New Narrative for the Age of Crises
Thank Q for this fantastic debate ,it is always a pleasure to listen to and to learn as they are very imformative ,wish you well and keep up the good work and bless you and your guest.
Glad you enjoyed it!
My humble request to brother Paul please invite Prof. Micheal Penn on the Topic of middle eastern Christians and Muslims relation in the history of Muslim rule.
You might also enjoy the Abdal Hakim Murad video “Riding the Tiger of Modernity” (riffing off of Evola’s book).
It’s on the Cambridge Muslim college channel.
Thanks!
Allow me Paul to point out to the irony prevalent in this discussion, which is sadly the reality of traditional Islam, the somewhat elephant in the room, and the countless similarities it shares with the traditional (radical) right, I’m not well aware with your precise Islamic views but from a quick look at your videos and the sort of comments I see from people here, there’s definitely a strong traditional favor of Islam running around deep.
I’d like to show some of the similarities between the two worldviews now and these are only from the top of my head:
-A view that looks at history as only moving in declining direction, while this is prevalent in the radical right it is also prevalent in traditional Islam which views history as hitting its golden age in the time of the prophet and his companions and only declining from there to our day with no possibility of reversing this except by an apocalypse that destroys our world and starts a new one.
-A belief in hierarchy based on caste in the case of the radical right (RR) and on religious belief in the case of traditional Islam (TI), in TI there are the upper caste (the true muslims) and the lower caste (the christians,jews, fake muslims, and everybody else) despite in TI it is definitely easier to up yourself by converting.
-A belief in a totalitarian militraristic state in a constant eternal struggle with everyone else.
-Antisemitism (obviously)
-A belief in an apocalypse brought about by holy war.
-A strong opposition to liberal, secular and democratic values and individual freedoms and rights, and a hate towards LGBTQ people and seeing them as decadence that must be destroyed.
It's weird with the right...on one hand I agree with most of what they say but then I hear some of them go off on Muslims and even be rather secular and it's just... ugh 😫
👍
good information.
Britain already has 4 million Muslims, and an increasing convert community. That population is significant enough.
Dugin also has an academic relationship with Sheikh Imran Hoesin, the Muslim eschatologist.
The closet shia russian supporting dajjal named imran hosein
9:05 - I'slam is only a word meaning 'salvation' ie that which brings a out safety. The quran answers such anti-city peons is surah Al-Ahzab 33:60
لَّئِن لَّمْ يَنتَهِ ٱلْمُنَٰفِقُونَ وَٱلَّذِينَ فِى قُلُوبِهِم مَّرَضٌ وَٱلْمُرْجِفُونَ فِى ٱلْمَدِينَةِ لَنُغْرِيَنَّكَ بِهِمْ ثُمَّ لَا يُجَاوِرُونَكَ فِيهَآ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا
If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is disease and those who spread rumors in the city do not cease, we will surely gristle you by them; then they will not remain your neighbors therein except for a little,
Amazing
Assalamualaikum,invite David Livingston please
*If the best of the best (crusaders) couldn't stop Islam, these guys are just clowns.👆*
picture in thumbnail is from muslim riots in western countries or from a sharia majority tolerant country like pakistan ?
whats the point fo your question
are u a Muslim Mr Paul? im sorry im new here
Islam is in a Catch 22. Pontification does not resolve it!
But purification does
Assalamualeykum Warahmetullah they can't stop it the golden time of Isa Aleyhi Selam And Imam Mahdi Aleyhi Selam is coming!
Can you do a deeodive on Jesus' foster father? Joseph the carpenter and why the Quran hid that from the Muslims to perhaps protect Marry?
Islam should be understood as Submission ONLY to God(Allah) without associating partners with Him in worship or worshipping other deities. The first Muslims were Adam(pbuh) and Eve(Gbph) and the first anti-God(Allah) rebel was Lucifer. Noah(pbuh), Abraham(pbuh), Moses(pbuh), Jesus(pbuh) and the last and final messenger Mohamed(pbuh) were all Muslims or Submittees ONLY to God(Allah) without associating partners with Him or worshipping other deities. Lucifer, Nimrod, Pharaoh, Atheists, Agnostics, Polytheists, Pantheists, Animists and Pagans are NOT Muslims or Submittees ONLY to God(Allah) without associating partners with Him in worship or worshipping other deities. Assigning the terms Islam and Muslims only to followers of prophet Mohamed(pbuh) is not fully correct. Islam and Muslims existed from Adam(pbuh) and Eve(Gbph) to the last Revelation to prophet Mohamed(pbuh).
I think people are cautious about making claims against people who testify to the two Shahadas, because no one wants to pretend to take God‘s place as judge. That’s dangerous.
Rq
Do not expect your colonization to happen without resistance.
What colonisation
These fears of yours are projections from your own mind. You are also conditioned by propaganda, as seen in the BBC documentary “The power of nightmares.”
@@joefilter2923 Not really. The demographic change is real, it is unavoidable that this will have political consequences.
@@thedukeofholland3926 what you’re complaining about is the effects of climate change and the effects of the support of dictators in the Middle East. The US and the West in general has been in the driver seat for many decades, so the missteps caused blowback.
@@thedukeofholland3926 Also, our response to 9/11 was clumsy and ill intentioned. We had the world on our side but we decided not to accept the offer to send bin Laden to the world court, and then we decided to double down on full spectrum dominance, the Pentagon term, and waste millions of lives and vast treasure on a useless counterproductive war.
A bit of a fascinating difference between your reaction to Salman Rushdie being stabbed a dozen times and the 'tragic murder' of Darya Dugina, who claimed the Bucha massacre was staged, went to Mariupol and did selfies in the ruins, advocated the invasion of Ukraine and additional invasions. She seems very much to have aligned with her father, who described Ukrainians against the invasion as 'some kind of bastard race that emerged from the sewer' She was also a huge fan of Marine La Pen by the way.
Yes people do not like to say that she inserted herself into the war, even if she was not the primary target.