A few years ago I contacted Eminence with a basic question and within minutes Matt replied with a detailed and helpful answer. Pretty amazing and rare to have the head engineer take time to reply to a small retail customer. The Eminence drivers I've used have also been excellent, particularly for the price.
That is really impressive. I haven’t dealt with them in that sense. But all of my interactions with everyone eminence has always been very good as well.
I absolutely love this driver, I built my LCR last year using them, towers are configured - WTWWW with (4) DAYTON reference 10” Woofers and this compression driver, bass for days and dynamics are crazy, flat to 25 hz, center channel is WTW with (2) 10 Dayton reference woofers and the same horn and compression driver, all active Xovers, currently compression driver is crossed @ 700hz.
@@trentnell Hi…Can you link to your speaker build? I got a couple of these drivers after watching this video and would love to see what you did as I patiently wait for Toid’s build video.
Good to see these technical interviews with the engineers. I've used Eminence compression drivers in the past and haven't been disappointed, will most likely keep using them in the future. Thanks for the great content.
Yeah.. We should not forget that as soon as we go down below 10k, a power coming to a driver increases dramatically. And when you state your tweeter plays down to 1k, you have to make sure it will survive a full power. PS I want this one at Amazon EU pls.
Nice......................... These drivers may find themselves in my alternate pair of midrange cabinets. Like the horns too. Competition is the JBL / Selenium D405 TRIO Super Driver 150W RMS 8 Ohms 2" exit throat 4" voice coil crossing over as low as 500Hz. Your 2-way theatre build w/ the TeXtreme will be very cool to see. 🔈🔉🔊
I used Eminence 12" drivers for a old yamaha box and I swear that the sound quality went from a 300$ speaker to a 1500$ speaker in sound quality. I'd love to use a compression driver from them for the replacement of a blown driver in the same box in the future. Ive only had good results from them.
I have been looking at these and the Radian 636P8s ($220) because of their low crossover point (636s 500hz @ 24db) and cost to make my LCR theater speakers, but paired with 2 12s. Now I will have to see what Nick comes up with using 2 15s. Will Nick go with ported 15s or sealed? I guess we will have to wait and see :).
It better be amazing. It costs $480 in Canada, plus all the stupid tax Trudeau can pile on 🙄. I have used Eminence drivers a lot and they are extremely good. Great service as well!
The Faitalpro HF1460 is almost double the price of the Eminence N314X-8 and if their performance is similar, there is no reason to consider the Faitalpro HF1460.
I’ll have a design out using this and the horn it was tested in. I’m starting to get pretty excited about this build, especially after seeing the waterfall.
Lamar Audio did a Comression Driver featuring a woven Carbonfibre Diaphragm before Eminence did. The M1 Driver was released back in 2019 already. You should have done some research before claiming a "worlds first". Its a midrange Driver which can play from 50Hz up to 7kHz when fitted to an appropiately sized horn that can provide loading down to 50Hz.
Looks interesting! The 1.4 / 1.5 " exit drivers seem to provide the best compromise between low and high frequency extension. It looks like the break up mode will be pretty well damped with this material. Looking forward to seeing your project with this driver. It would be interesting to see results with this mated to several different horns/ waveguides both measurements wise and listening results.
Remember the SA 8535 Ribbon? Or the RBN 1801 Alcons, drivers they refuse to sell to anyone else? If they can manufacture such, somebody else must be able to.
I love Danley products. Such good quality. I haven’t personally heard the drivers yet, but based off the data, I can’t imagine them sounding bad in anything designed properly.
Maybe there is something special to compression drivers, but why is this material not also used in "normal" drivers? Should have advantages there as well, shouldn't it?
It actually is used in normal drivers as well. Mainly it’s been used in midrange drivers, but it’s still relatively new, so there’s not a lot of companies using it yet
@@skavcic it's not according to them. The textreme material cones etc is made by a separate company, that's why multiple companies have textreme drivers
This looks like it may be a very nice sounding driver. I just wish they made more horns that have built in vanes to improve horizontal dispersion like the Selenium HC23-25. Otherwise most of these horn/drivers simply beam straight out after the first octave.
I agree with you. I would really like to see more like more constant directivity horns, such as the Dayton H6512. That’s one if my favorite horns to use, but it doesn’t load past 1Khz. Plus it’s only a 1”.
@@Toid I am thinking of buying a 3D printers and seeing if I can build a horn with these features. Also considered trying to modify one with those direction vanes on front. The HC23-25 works great on having a wide sound stage and not blasting who ever is directly in front of it. But does not do well past 8k so another tweeter for is needed for those frequencies. The DS18 pro dkn25 bullet tweeter works perfectly with a wide sound stage.I bought a couple of those and they are good they beam very little..
Is it just me or is it sort of amusing that the great designer of compression drivers cares not about room acoustics during an interview with an audio guy? (-:
I believe Matt was just in his office. It was very generous of him to take time out of his busy schedule to educate us. I really appreciate he did it. You have to remember he doesn’t livestream ever. So having a proper setup is to be expected.
Typically you wouldn’t be deciding between a compression driver and a ribbon tweeter. However, I love both depending on the application. The main difference I will point it is that Ribbon teeeters will go higher in frequency, but can’t go as low as this compression driver. They struggle the lower in frequency you go.
That's common with all cds. But the freq response for a large diaphragm is insane on this . falloff at 15khz & this goes to 30khz with the same drop off lol. If you want the lowest distortion you have to look for a be dome tweeter like sbacoustics one. But then you won't get sensitivity.
@@datdudeinred not really. Here is one. Search for"Test Bench: Eighteen Sound ND3ST 1.4” Compression Driver". it has about 0.25% based on audioxpress. BUT it measured waterfall not good at all. And I don't understand why if second and third harmonic are low. Next one -(maybe more realistic) "Test Bench: Celestion CDX14-2420 1.4” Compression Driver"
I don’t get your approach at all. You spoke of the popularity of two-way boxes with large bass drivers. WHY??? If you care about sound and fidelity, you don’t use two-way loudspeakers. End of story. And now you gave this efficient, brutally loud driver with superb damping, and you throw it away on two-way speakers! What do JBL Vertec speakers do? They use three-way systems dedicated compression midrange drivers, and they sound fantastic. If you like shitty sound, keep building two-way boxes. If you care about sound, use drivers like these _midrange_ Eminence transducers in 3- or 4-way systems. Thanks for listening.
Oh man. 'Audio professionals' attending a video interview using audio equipment so poor that it's just a pain for your ears to listen to. Matt, please, do yourself and your viewers the favor and invest only a few bucks in professional video conference hardware. This would make it easier for your audience to identify you as a 'real' audio professional. Addendum, just to clarify: I stopped watching this video just a few seconds after Matt began to talk. It's a pain for the ears of anyone who cares about sound.
Oh good grief. Your poor ears. And we all needed to read how terribly they were abused. Thanks for letting us know how hyper-sensitive you are. Some people.
Just to clarify, I asked Matt to do this so that you guys could get the information straight from the source. He is not in front of the camera regularly and because of that does not have a professional setup. Yet he was gracious enough to spend time out of his day and prepare this material for all of us to benefit. This was a great gesture by Matt and I would hope all will come to see it as such.
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A few years ago I contacted Eminence with a basic question and within minutes Matt replied with a detailed and helpful answer. Pretty amazing and rare to have the head engineer take time to reply to a small retail customer. The Eminence drivers I've used have also been excellent, particularly for the price.
That is really impressive. I haven’t dealt with them in that sense. But all of my interactions with everyone eminence has always been very good as well.
Lovely to see 2 guys appreciating each other's contribution.
I'm super stoked to see your 2 channel speaker design for this Toids. Subscribed.
I've been dying to get more info on these. So glad you guys teamed up for this build.
I absolutely love this driver, I built my LCR last year using them, towers are configured - WTWWW with (4) DAYTON reference 10” Woofers and this compression driver, bass for days and dynamics are crazy, flat to 25 hz, center channel is WTW with (2) 10 Dayton reference woofers and the same horn and compression driver, all active Xovers, currently compression driver is crossed @ 700hz.
Would love to see the speakers.
@@codyscharkey-gd1sz not sure if that works or not to post a link but figured I’d try.
Nice!
@@trentnell Hi…Can you link to your speaker build? I got a couple of these drivers after watching this video and would love to see what you did as I patiently wait for Toid’s build video.
Good to see these technical interviews with the engineers. I've used Eminence compression drivers in the past and haven't been disappointed, will most likely keep using them in the future. Thanks for the great content.
I’ve been using these drivers. Bang for the buck is off the charts. Make a 2” version!!
Yeah.. We should not forget that as soon as we go down below 10k, a power coming to a driver increases dramatically. And when you state your tweeter plays down to 1k, you have to make sure it will survive a full power.
PS I want this one at Amazon EU pls.
Nice.........................
These drivers may find themselves in my alternate pair of midrange cabinets. Like the horns too. Competition is the JBL / Selenium D405 TRIO Super Driver 150W RMS 8 Ohms 2" exit throat 4" voice coil crossing over as low as 500Hz.
Your 2-way theatre build w/ the TeXtreme will be very cool to see. 🔈🔉🔊
That sounds like an awesome setup! I’m looking forward to the build. I can’t wait to have it completed
I used Eminence 12" drivers for a old yamaha box and I swear that the sound quality went from a 300$ speaker to a 1500$ speaker in sound quality. I'd love to use a compression driver from them for the replacement of a blown driver in the same box in the future. Ive only had good results from them.
I have been looking at these and the Radian 636P8s ($220) because of their low crossover point (636s 500hz @ 24db) and cost to make my LCR theater speakers, but paired with 2 12s. Now I will have to see what Nick comes up with using 2 15s. Will Nick go with ported 15s or sealed? I guess we will have to wait and see :).
It better be amazing. It costs $480 in Canada, plus all the stupid tax Trudeau can pile on 🙄. I have used Eminence drivers a lot and they are extremely good. Great service as well!
Looking forward to the two way. Thanks
Faitalpro HF1460 seems to have similar characteristic. Thanks to this video I now realized that the 700-800Hz decay is due to horn's own resonance.
Interesting, I need to look into that driver. Thanks for the great information.
@@Toid Audioexpress has measurements for both drivers if you're interested.
Excellent! I was just reading up in their site. Looks like it measures really well.
The Faitalpro HF1460 is almost double the price of the Eminence N314X-8 and if their performance is similar, there is no reason to consider the Faitalpro HF1460.
@@cpaint69 wow, I thought it's similar price from TLHP...
Ohhh!!! MTM!!! The D'Appolito Configuration!!!😮
Would like to see an MTM configuration in a Danley Sound Labs type horn!!!
Interesting always a fan of Eminence products
I’ll have a design out using this and the horn it was tested in. I’m starting to get pretty excited about this build, especially after seeing the waterfall.
Lamar Audio did a Comression Driver featuring a woven Carbonfibre Diaphragm before Eminence did. The M1 Driver was released back in 2019 already. You should have done some research before claiming a "worlds first". Its a midrange Driver which can play from 50Hz up to 7kHz when fitted to an appropiately sized horn that can provide loading down to 50Hz.
Looks interesting! The 1.4 / 1.5 " exit drivers seem to provide the best compromise between low and high frequency extension.
It looks like the break up mode will be pretty well damped with this material.
Looking forward to seeing your project with this driver. It would be interesting to see results with this mated to several different horns/ waveguides both measurements wise and listening results.
What woofer would you pair this with?
what would be a great 2 way nearly full range speaker that we can use with this driver and what woofer to take
I'd love to know which INXS song Matt mentioned he uses to test his drivers!
I could be totally mistaken, but don't they use these a lot for under water sound equipment?
You got me on that one. Definitely could be, but I don’t know.
Remember the SA 8535 Ribbon? Or the RBN 1801 Alcons, drivers they refuse to sell to anyone else? If they can manufacture such, somebody else must be able to.
Any chance these will be made available at the smaller 1" exit size?
Wonder how it would sound in some Danley Sound Labs Jericho Cabs???🤔
I love Danley products. Such good quality. I haven’t personally heard the drivers yet, but based off the data, I can’t imagine them sounding bad in anything designed properly.
Is this same tech sb acoustic uses, did they borrow from eminence or vice versa?
Maybe there is something special to compression drivers, but why is this material not also used in "normal" drivers? Should have advantages there as well, shouldn't it?
It actually is used in normal drivers as well. Mainly it’s been used in midrange drivers, but it’s still relatively new, so there’s not a lot of companies using it yet
Ok, it's two months since this video and I want to see a DIY build using these compression drivers! :D
It’s on it’s way
The Eminence Acoustinator that Danny Richie uses in his new Brute model speaker?
It does not use TeXtreme
Wow!!
It’s pretty impressive, isn’t it? I was shocked to see their data. Have a Happy Easter Philip!
Sure looks like a bass-shaker
Doesn’t perlisten speakers use the textreme material in their speakers?
Good call. They do. In their midrange drivers.
They use SB Acoustics drivers.
@@skavcic it's not according to them. The textreme material cones etc is made by a separate company, that's why multiple companies have textreme drivers
@@skavcic That makes sense since the satori woofers (which look like the ones or a variant of the ones Perlisten uses) use the TeXtreme material.
Ex Machina Soundworks uses it as well.
This looks like it may be a very nice sounding driver. I just wish they made more horns that have built in vanes to improve horizontal dispersion like the Selenium HC23-25. Otherwise most of these horn/drivers simply beam straight out after the first octave.
I agree with you. I would really like to see more like more constant directivity horns, such as the Dayton H6512. That’s one if my favorite horns to use, but it doesn’t load past 1Khz. Plus it’s only a 1”.
@@Toid As a layperson, not knowing anything, could the H6512 be modded to accommodate? DIY with a router? 😎
@@Toid I am thinking of buying a 3D printers and seeing if I can build a horn with these features. Also considered trying to modify one with those direction vanes on front. The HC23-25 works great on having a wide sound stage and not blasting who ever is directly in front of it. But does not do well past 8k so another tweeter for is needed for those frequencies. The DS18 pro dkn25 bullet tweeter works perfectly with a wide sound stage.I bought a couple of those and they are good they beam very little..
@@utooboobnoob They sell an adapter to do that.
@@jimthvac100 Good to know. Thanks!
Is it just me or is it sort of amusing that the great designer of compression drivers cares not about room acoustics during an interview with an audio guy? (-:
I believe Matt was just in his office. It was very generous of him to take time out of his busy schedule to educate us. I really appreciate he did it. You have to remember he doesn’t livestream ever. So having a proper setup is to be expected.
@Toid you are right of course. Just a pet peeve of a recording engineer. (-:
If money wasnt an object; does a compression driver come to mind you think ranks really high if not the best? or is this it ;)
For me, this is the best I’ve heard.
not a audiophile but how does it compare to a ribbon driver?
Typically you wouldn’t be deciding between a compression driver and a ribbon tweeter. However, I love both depending on the application. The main difference I will point it is that Ribbon teeeters will go higher in frequency, but can’t go as low as this compression driver. They struggle the lower in frequency you go.
what a general question. you need to do research little harder of how you like your music to sound
@@Toid thank u was what i was wondering...to decide on yes or no u gotta hear it with others on your application...sorry the question was so general
Destortion % is still high. It is changing only breaking point in highs.
That's common with all cds. But the freq response for a large diaphragm is insane on this . falloff at 15khz & this goes to 30khz with the same drop off lol.
If you want the lowest distortion you have to look for a be dome tweeter like sbacoustics one. But then you won't get sensitivity.
@@datdudeinred bliesma 34mm dome is quite decent if you want a larger, higher sensitivity dome with good specs
@@datdudeinred not really. Here is one. Search for"Test Bench: Eighteen Sound ND3ST 1.4” Compression Driver". it has about 0.25% based on audioxpress. BUT it measured waterfall not good at all. And I don't understand why if second and third harmonic are low.
Next one -(maybe more realistic) "Test Bench: Celestion CDX14-2420 1.4” Compression Driver"
A perfect example how to drown a fish. Full attention given for the waterfall so that you neglect the dirty frequency response.
Tell him to buy a decent microphone
I don’t get your approach at all. You spoke of the popularity of two-way boxes with large bass drivers. WHY??? If you care about sound and fidelity, you don’t use two-way loudspeakers. End of story. And now you gave this efficient, brutally loud driver with superb damping, and you throw it away on two-way speakers! What do JBL Vertec speakers do? They use three-way systems dedicated compression midrange drivers, and they sound fantastic. If you like shitty sound, keep building two-way boxes. If you care about sound, use drivers like these _midrange_ Eminence transducers in 3- or 4-way systems. Thanks for listening.
Oh man. 'Audio professionals' attending a video interview using audio equipment so poor that it's just a pain for your ears to listen to. Matt, please, do yourself and your viewers the favor and invest only a few bucks in professional video conference hardware. This would make it easier for your audience to identify you as a 'real' audio professional.
Addendum, just to clarify: I stopped watching this video just a few seconds after Matt began to talk. It's a pain for the ears of anyone who cares about sound.
I care about sound and I could still listen. But yeah it sounds like crap lol
It’s effectively a phone call in a small office not a sound studio. 😂
Oh good grief. Your poor ears. And we all needed to read how terribly they were abused. Thanks for letting us know how hyper-sensitive you are.
Some people.
Just to clarify, I asked Matt to do this so that you guys could get the information straight from the source. He is not in front of the camera regularly and because of that does not have a professional setup. Yet he was gracious enough to spend time out of his day and prepare this material for all of us to benefit. This was a great gesture by Matt and I would hope all will come to see it as such.
What is the INXS track?