Wow, this video was such a treat to watch. I've had the chance to talk with Brian a few times at a few MWAF's and he just oozes speaker knowledge and loves to talk about all the cool stuff they've designed and come up with. I love watching documentaries and this was a little like a speaker design documentary. I loved hearing about all the design features the new Signature series incorporated. This is one of the best 40 minutes I've ever enjoyed on TH-cam. Thanks Mr. Toid for posting this interview!
I loved it as well. Funny story, I went up the next day and told Brien it didn’t record just as a joke. He’s like oh let’s record it again. He was so excited to just talk about speakers. And honestly, I really enjoyed talking with him. He has so much knowledge I could’ve talked to him the entire day and then some. It was so neat getting that behind the scenes knowledge that you just never seem to get.
This is awesome! I hope you do more interviews with Brian or parts-express. Sometimes it's hard to find other resources describing the different Dayton Audio products and I learned a ton in a few minutes here. You are doing the Lord's work sir!
Just a suggestion, your illumination could improve a lot installing a soft light on the back wall aiming to you and your guests. That will provide a sense of depth and will avoid the impression of stickers.
I am very excited about that 10" signature driver! I will definitely be looking at that one for a 3-way with a horn loaded AMTPRO-4 mid and AMT2-4 acting almost like a supertweeter ~8kHz up.
If the Marc Anthony quote "if you do what you love. You'll never work a day in your life" were a person. It would be this guy. He's amazing! Please more of him. He's probably forgotten more about driver design than I'll ever know. His passion is so contagious too. I'm ready to go design a speaker now! ✌️
I can't wait for that new omnimic system, it sounds so intriguing. Also the price point for that low frequency exciter sounds awesome, especially for the load it's designed to take! Great video Nick, so much cool stuff to look forward to!
That's awesome! Only just started the video, but what a cool idea having the curve of the surround be continuous to that of the cone. Also, brushed aluminium truly does look beautiful, shame it can never come across properly over video. Looking forward to finishing watching this tomorrow!
BTW, you and I need to have a way to talk more. I am finally getting serious about doing this as a potential career option. I also miss our discussions. I'll send you my email addresses on the forum.
I want to build a 3-way speaker system. Could you suggest which series of Dayton Audio drivers is best for DIY? Is it the Reference or Signature series? I want to go for the Reference series woofer. Is it the best? Please help.
Love the new rescore woofer. Hate it how no one's talking about that one. It's a game changer for small form factor or line arrays. Especially with tectonic bmr's.
I want a full on three way design with these drivers. One or two 8" or even the 10" as bass driver, the smaller onew for mids and something like the tekton tweeter or an amt. I hope some designer can make that happen so I can copy it. I love the look and price to performance of these
Great video! Always a big learning curve with this channel!! I do have a question wich is about something completely different. I am making plans for a 2way floorstanding with the typical, tweeter, midrange and two woofer per speaker. They are all the same impedance (6 ohms and all close to 89 db/1 watts). My question: is it better to connect the woofers paralel or in serie? My amp is pretty stable to 2 ohms but I want the load on my amp to be as light as possible while keeping the bass tight. I generally listen at 75- 85db, very rare for me going louder. Sorry for the long question, thanks in advance!
Was just planning to pickup an imm6, however now I'll have to wait! USB-C would be much better than 3.5mm. And only for 29.99! What a deal. Any idea when it'll be released or more details revealed? And will it be compatible with desktop too?
Thank you for asking. I am going to try to finish the DSP and crossover this weekend. Hopefully everything will be available by next weekend if all goes well. If not the following week.
Nice, I got a two-way in the works using the 6.5" signature and the rs28 fabric tweeter. Though the driver measures surprisingly different to the published specs, the FS and QMS was higher than expected, so maybe the suspension needs some time to break in. I was also thinking of using them in a closed transmission line given the high FS. it has significantly lower cone breakup compared to the RS180 drivers.
@@Toid I haven't been able to put it on a baffle and measure, but it did model a bit different in WinISD when I was trying to get a vented design for the two ways. Here are the TS parameters I got from DATS (SIG180-4 6.5" driver): Re 4.073 -- Fs 50.81 -- Qts 0.5256 -- Qes .5558 -- Qms 9.658 -- Le 0.2958
@@crackyflipside, my Signature 180 measures a bit different. Re 3.58ohm, Identical Fs @ 50.81, Qts .4582, Qes .4813, Qms 9.551, Le .2842 (accidentally left it at 10k)
I saw the signature series and was wondering how it compares to the reference series which I like a lot for the money and I also just built a MTM with the designer series woofer and those are little beats to. I'm going to just have to try them
i still have 4 8" RS225-8 drivers laying around for making two bass boxes. i think i will go to make a sealed box with minimum 57 liters, probably more in the area of 75 liters to have a softer roll off and less loud resonance at the low end, applying the golden ratio from width to depth to height or something like that and put two horizontal boards inside with 4 rectangles cut out to improve the stiffness of the box. and apply them also in odd ratios in relation to the height to not induce standing waves inside. at the front the box should have rounded edges left and right. these drivers can go up very high but i want to pair them with a two way box standing on top. i have to take the distance of the mid woofer and the two bass woofers into account to not create phase issues if the x-over frequency is too high and the distance of the lower woofer and mid woofer is too long. i think the only weakness of the RS225-8 woofers are their mechanical/electrical losses which i want to compensate by not using a passive crossover but using a directly connected class-d amp with the two channel TPA3255 and using an active crossover. that should result in a very high damping factor and drive the rs225 very well.
Brian if you are listening, would you ever consider doing a DIY driver line that had a woofer finish trim ring. I hate the look of exposed driver screws lol! Or would this be to hard to do?
Which REW track do I need to play for frequency response? (128k 256k etc.) I just figured the longer the more accurate it would be but the more patience it required lol.
@@Toid yes I understand, but it seemed like you could give me the simple straight answer... I'm trying to measure frequency response (not distortion or waterfall or phase)... Which track should I use? And by that I mean, I assume, it's one of the 128 256 512 k options etc, with the sine sweep. And how critical is the playback level, or does it only matter to take the measurement at approximately my desired listening volume (enough to make noise floor irrelevant, say 75-85db)? I have the umik-1 btw. Seemed the best quality/price when I made the purchase, better than the umm6, but I was unaware of the omnimic. Sound source for the PC (my only source) is the Khadas tone board DAC.
@@Artcore103 I’m sorry you felt that way. But honestly I’m probably not the right person to ask since I haven’t used rew in about four years. So I don’t really know the interface and/or settings that you would want to check anymore. But as a generality you want a quick response.
@@Toid thanks. Love the channel. I plan to build something similar to your most recent klipsch-esque speakers with the textreme and horns, but I'm going to use my jbl 2225h 15" drivers, and another 15 or 18 eventually to supplement the low bass, as subs built into the mains - mainly for sensitivity and extension down low, to ~20hz, but all passive, with a 400+wpc amplifier. But the cabinets will be partially modular or at least able to be modified because I'll start with just my 2225h 15s, tuned to roughly 30hz. Not afraid of DSP correction. I'm already using these woofers in my current 3 ways, which have a JVC ribbon tweeter above 8-10khz, and an akai phenolic horn mid... But it can't cross low enough, is low power handling, and nothing about the speaker or driver/crossover implementation is ideal. Sounds good anyway with EQ, but obviously not nearly as good as what they could be with a design like yours. The 2225h itself is awesome, but it's crossing near 1.6khz, but they're in big ported boxes and I do get a solid 30hz.
Interesting question. We were actually at a live event where people were blaring music next-door. And the only way to really cover that up was with background music. Ideally, I wouldn’t have any music on there, but this particular case I had to.
@@DJ_Colossal that’s a good call. I’m not sure how much of a difference it would’ve really made though. The music was so loud. It sounded like it was right there in the same room as us. We did the best we could with what we had. But if I can figure out something different next year, I will. All suggestions are welcome.
Wow, this video was such a treat to watch. I've had the chance to talk with Brian a few times at a few MWAF's and he just oozes speaker knowledge and loves to talk about all the cool stuff they've designed and come up with. I love watching documentaries and this was a little like a speaker design documentary. I loved hearing about all the design features the new Signature series incorporated.
This is one of the best 40 minutes I've ever enjoyed on TH-cam. Thanks Mr. Toid for posting this interview!
I loved it as well. Funny story, I went up the next day and told Brien it didn’t record just as a joke. He’s like oh let’s record it again. He was so excited to just talk about speakers. And honestly, I really enjoyed talking with him. He has so much knowledge I could’ve talked to him the entire day and then some. It was so neat getting that behind the scenes knowledge that you just never seem to get.
This is awesome! I hope you do more interviews with Brian or parts-express. Sometimes it's hard to find other resources describing the different Dayton Audio products and I learned a ton in a few minutes here. You are doing the Lord's work sir!
Just a suggestion, your illumination could improve a lot installing a soft light on the back wall aiming to you and your guests. That will provide a sense of depth and will avoid the impression of stickers.
Miss something, the light should be high and illuminate head and shoulders
I appreciate it. This was at an event, where we were stuck with the lighting we had. But I will definitely keep that in mind for next time.
Lol it feels like they filmed this in the garage with the lights off
I am very excited about that 10" signature driver!
I will definitely be looking at that one for a 3-way with a horn loaded AMTPRO-4 mid and AMT2-4 acting almost like a supertweeter ~8kHz up.
If the Marc Anthony quote "if you do what you love. You'll never work a day in your life" were a person. It would be this guy.
He's amazing! Please more of him. He's probably forgotten more about driver design than I'll ever know. His passion is so contagious too. I'm ready to go design a speaker now! ✌️
I can't wait for that new omnimic system, it sounds so intriguing. Also the price point for that low frequency exciter sounds awesome, especially for the load it's designed to take! Great video Nick, so much cool stuff to look forward to!
This is good stuff. Love to see you talk to the brains behind some of these drivers. Im a huge Dayton fan too.
That's awesome! Only just started the video, but what a cool idea having the curve of the surround be continuous to that of the cone. Also, brushed aluminium truly does look beautiful, shame it can never come across properly over video. Looking forward to finishing watching this tomorrow!
Yeah, the things Brian talks about are stuff we don't typically get to hear, which is not only unique but invaluable, IMO.
BTW, you and I need to have a way to talk more. I am finally getting serious about doing this as a potential career option. I also miss our discussions. I'll send you my email addresses on the forum.
@@ajc-th5ei hey mate. I did send an email at the time btw
Interesting product! I would prefer the Alu cone woofer in silver, which looks even cooler!
I am super interested in seeing a build with this woofer it looks so great!
Awesome vid and exciting new products. Looks like I might be in for a few new mics!!
You and me both 😁
Nick, this is awesome!!! Keep it up buddy.
The background music is so relaxing.
I thought you’d like it
OmniMik 40k due around end of year!!!! Yaa! Thanks for the info. That saves me the heartbreak of buying a substitute.
I love Dayton Audio!
I want to build a 3-way speaker system. Could you suggest which series of Dayton Audio drivers is best for DIY? Is it the Reference or Signature series? I want to go for the Reference series woofer. Is it the best? Please help.
Love the new rescore woofer. Hate it how no one's talking about that one. It's a game changer for small form factor or line arrays. Especially with tectonic bmr's.
Interestingly, enough, I have two of them to do something with on the channel. If you have a suggestion or something, you’d like to see, I’m all ears.
A sound bar designed with these and the bmr would be amazing!
@@lukeselker5175 so funny story, that’s exactly what I was thinking 😁
I want a full on three way design with these drivers. One or two 8" or even the 10" as bass driver, the smaller onew for mids and something like the tekton tweeter or an amt.
I hope some designer can make that happen so I can copy it. I love the look and price to performance of these
Great video! Always a big learning curve with this channel!!
I do have a question wich is about something completely different.
I am making plans for a 2way floorstanding with the typical, tweeter, midrange and two woofer per speaker. They are all the same impedance (6 ohms and all close to 89 db/1 watts).
My question: is it better to connect the woofers paralel or in serie? My amp is pretty stable to 2 ohms but I want the load on my amp to be as light as possible while keeping the bass tight. I generally listen at 75- 85db, very rare for me going louder.
Sorry for the long question, thanks in advance!
Filleting has been done on a lot of drivers years ago including Mission, Advent, even Dayton's RS series etc. Even Logitech does it
Love it, this is great, this is cool.
Glad you liked it
Was just planning to pickup an imm6, however now I'll have to wait! USB-C would be much better than 3.5mm. And only for 29.99! What a deal. Any idea when it'll be released or more details revealed? And will it be compatible with desktop too?
I’m not sure exactly when it’s going to be released, but I think it’s closer to the end of the year.
@@ToidAh, thats unfortunate. Maybe i'll have to get a standard imm6 for the time being then...
Hi Toid, when do you planing on finishing Zarbo's 1980's speakers?
Thank you for asking. I am going to try to finish the DSP and crossover this weekend. Hopefully everything will be available by next weekend if all goes well. If not the following week.
Nice, I got a two-way in the works using the 6.5" signature and the rs28 fabric tweeter. Though the driver measures surprisingly different to the published specs, the FS and QMS was higher than expected, so maybe the suspension needs some time to break in. I was also thinking of using them in a closed transmission line given the high FS. it has significantly lower cone breakup compared to the RS180 drivers.
Maybe it does. That’s called that it’s surprisingly different. Did it model quite differently as well?
@@Toid I haven't been able to put it on a baffle and measure, but it did model a bit different in WinISD when I was trying to get a vented design for the two ways. Here are the TS parameters I got from DATS (SIG180-4 6.5" driver): Re 4.073 -- Fs 50.81 -- Qts 0.5256 -- Qes .5558 -- Qms 9.658 -- Le 0.2958
@@crackyflipside, my Signature 180 measures a bit different. Re 3.58ohm, Identical Fs @ 50.81, Qts .4582, Qes .4813, Qms 9.551, Le .2842 (accidentally left it at 10k)
I agreed with toids, the dustcap looks vintage and cheap for me.
Please make a video about the new Yaber k2s and compare it to the apollo p40 ❤
Missing the links. I might try these in my doors
Thank You, I updated them
Awesome. Sorry if I missed it, but is there a rough ETA on the 8" and 10" Signature Woofers? Looks like the 6.5" is the largest in-stock.
All he said is that they’re still on the water. So there’s no ETA yet. You know how customs can be. But it shouldn’t be too long.
@@Toid thanks, great news
Great video , thank you
I saw the signature series and was wondering how it compares to the reference series which I like a lot for the money and I also just built a MTM with the designer series woofer and those are little beats to. I'm going to just have to try them
It has waaay lower cone breakup compared to the RS180 so you can get away with lower order crossover higher up in 2-way range.
@crackyflipside nice!
i still have 4 8" RS225-8 drivers laying around for making two bass boxes.
i think i will go to make a sealed box with minimum 57 liters, probably more in the area of 75 liters to have a softer roll off and less loud resonance at the low end, applying the golden ratio from width to depth to height or something like that and put two horizontal boards inside with 4 rectangles cut out to improve the stiffness of the box. and apply them also in odd ratios in relation to the height to not induce standing waves inside. at the front the box should have rounded edges left and right.
these drivers can go up very high but i want to pair them with a two way box standing on top. i have to take the distance of the mid woofer and the two bass woofers into account to not create phase issues if the x-over frequency is too high and the distance of the lower woofer and mid woofer is too long.
i think the only weakness of the RS225-8 woofers are their mechanical/electrical losses which i want to compensate by not using a passive crossover but using a directly connected class-d amp with the two channel TPA3255 and using an active crossover. that should result in a very high damping factor and drive the rs225 very well.
Could the signature series be used in car audio for use in doors?
Any idea if there is an 8 ohm version coming of the signature line?
Brian if you are listening, would you ever consider doing a DIY driver line that had a woofer finish trim ring. I hate the look of exposed driver screws lol! Or would this be to hard to do?
I would love to see this!
I would like to see the DA version of some Markaudio drivers.
That would be nice! I also would like to see some signature series tweeters.
What is best sounding subwoofer Dayton has?
What happend to the dayton esoteric line? I also wish dayton did a collab with hypex or pascal and give us better quality high end diy amps.
let us know when the signature series offers 8 ohm versions.
just ordered 2 300es yesterday
Which REW track do I need to play for frequency response? (128k 256k etc.)
I just figured the longer the more accurate it would be but the more patience it required lol.
That’s the exact issue that I’m refer to in this video. It all depends on what you are measuring. One of the many reasons I appreciate the Omnimic.
@@Toid yes I understand, but it seemed like you could give me the simple straight answer... I'm trying to measure frequency response (not distortion or waterfall or phase)... Which track should I use? And by that I mean, I assume, it's one of the 128 256 512 k options etc, with the sine sweep. And how critical is the playback level, or does it only matter to take the measurement at approximately my desired listening volume (enough to make noise floor irrelevant, say 75-85db)?
I have the umik-1 btw. Seemed the best quality/price when I made the purchase, better than the umm6, but I was unaware of the omnimic. Sound source for the PC (my only source) is the Khadas tone board DAC.
@@Artcore103 I’m sorry you felt that way. But honestly I’m probably not the right person to ask since I haven’t used rew in about four years. So I don’t really know the interface and/or settings that you would want to check anymore. But as a generality you want a quick response.
@@Toid thanks. Love the channel. I plan to build something similar to your most recent klipsch-esque speakers with the textreme and horns, but I'm going to use my jbl 2225h 15" drivers, and another 15 or 18 eventually to supplement the low bass, as subs built into the mains - mainly for sensitivity and extension down low, to ~20hz, but all passive, with a 400+wpc amplifier. But the cabinets will be partially modular or at least able to be modified because I'll start with just my 2225h 15s, tuned to roughly 30hz. Not afraid of DSP correction.
I'm already using these woofers in my current 3 ways, which have a JVC ribbon tweeter above 8-10khz, and an akai phenolic horn mid... But it can't cross low enough, is low power handling, and nothing about the speaker or driver/crossover implementation is ideal. Sounds good anyway with EQ, but obviously not nearly as good as what they could be with a design like yours. The 2225h itself is awesome, but it's crossing near 1.6khz, but they're in big ported boxes and I do get a solid 30hz.
I love aluminum cones
Would love it if he was on a Sound Advice live.. Pretty sure you'd run over time and not even know it.
Honestly, we didn’t even realize how long we were talking until the camera shut off mid interview. Then I realized it’s probably time to wrap up lol.
I need a fool-proof frequency response measurement system.
That’s the new Omnimic. I’m really looking forward to that.
@@Toid oh nice, did he say when?
@@hifiman4562 I can’t remember if he said one. I time stamped The omnimic V3 if you want to listen to that part. We talked a lot of dates
Where's the DUST Cap?
why is there a background noice music?
Interesting question. We were actually at a live event where people were blaring music next-door. And the only way to really cover that up was with background music. Ideally, I wouldn’t have any music on there, but this particular case I had to.
@@Toid Not the end of the world but the background noise is still there I guess you only had one mic so couldn't close mic.
@@DJ_Colossal that’s a good call. I’m not sure how much of a difference it would’ve really made though. The music was so loud. It sounded like it was right there in the same room as us. We did the best we could with what we had. But if I can figure out something different next year, I will. All suggestions are welcome.
That’s a lot prettier then in the podcast now that I can see it closer
Yeah, the website and even the video don’t do it justice. I really like that black anodized aluminum cone.
Great interview, though please put some foam sound damping tiles on those walls, that reverb tail is distracting. Also yes, mic positioning ;) :)
Let the man talk!
Unfortunately, Peerless has scuttled many DIY designs with their minimum qty policy.
Yeah, it really is sad
Why would you put that terrible audio piano elevator in there?? I can't listen to this.
How can an audio channel have this bad audio?