prob not. battlemage is just 1000 points higher than an A750 back in Sept 2024. It's looking like a 2025 release. It has the same cores as an a580 but only a bit faster than the A750...
If the leaked Specs are accurate.....12GB of VRAM and The GPU has 24 Xe2 cores, 192 execution units, 15 TFLOPs of single precision performance, and a 1.8 GHz base clock. Suggesting the Battlemage GPU is 50% faster than the Arc A750.
I use Arc in my PC. I use a Ryzen 7 5700X, Arc A770 16GB, 32GB RAM, 1tb nvme, a B550 motherboard, and 850W PSU. It does what I want it to do. I recommend Arc.
@@twinn61661I don’t remember off the top of my head but will try to guide you but try this: Open task manager, go to the details tab or process forgot with one Then right click “audio…” and set affinity and run it on like cpu 3 only. See if that fixes it.
I'm curious because I've thought about making a living room pc. So you don't think you need to be good at tinkering with gpus to utilize the arc? That's what most content creators say. You think it would be okay for someone who isn't tech savy?
@@danielhulan3058 I love my a770 but I wouldn’t make it a living room PC Card because they can get a bit power hungry and amd probably would be a better option if you wanted to keep it a little more efficient and use their 6k series at least if you just want a workstation conversion but you absolutely need to have a 3rd gen ryzen or higher that can utilize rezisable bar if not arc will be trash
@@danielhulan3058 I am medium+ at setups and tinkering but found this thing runs great out of the box. Just make sure resizeable bar is turned on (usually in BIOS) and it just goes!
Unfortunately the Arc cards do have the rep of the drivers when they dropped. But you are right.. intel's offerings look a LOT more worth trying now then back then.
I bought an A770 for 220 open box at Micro Center. Bought it to see what it was really like to use Intel GPU and it's not as bad as you think. Driver support is surprisingly good. Overall happy I picked it up!
December 22 2024 will be two years since purchasing my A770LE. Not one single ingame crash. One title...Rfactor2 will occasionally not launch...but zero crashes or freezes of any title during actual gameplay to date. Very, very smooth also...broadcast quality.
Gotta be old games or running upscaling, Arc is slower than a 6600, and isn't exactly cheap. The 6700 is a better 1440p GPU and AMD is running sales. Nvidia has that 12gb 3060 as well. Arc has some weird configuration issues too, requiring rebar, and only AMD supports "smart" rebar. Nvidia is bad with it, and I think Arc support is all per game driver optimization instead of a "smart" approach. This is why Arc is all over the place. I don't think Arc uses more than x8 PCIe either. It's a really messed up card, that has capabilities that are bottlenecked by Intel's own CPU and the PCI connection. It needs a new design to fix the bottlenecks, and maybe a new CPU platform.
@@ToastyBros Just installed an Intel Arc A750 and am very happy with the performance. Huge upgrade from my Intel Arc A380. It makes a really good match for my i5-12600KF.
I built my brother a pc with the A750 last prime day. Total cost was about $600. It dropped to $170 I think (maybe it will again tomorrow for prime day), I remember it was the same price as the A580 so it was free performance. It’s been a good gpu, and I recommend supporting competition in the GPU market.
mine is 11400f and an a750...1440p bliss...1st two days with the card were very frustrating..mb needed diff firmware to have sound w/card (weird)..after that no issues...if msi afterburner ever fully supports undervolting for arc look out
Oc. Guys,i'm kinda @crossroads here. I can get NEW Acer Bifrost edition A750 for 270 usd,or ,an open box standard one for less - 217 usd. Buuut,i'm not going 1440,and not all that in new games,more for the DirectX 11 games,and , even older titles. The deal here - should i go for Arc,and i could fragg around 😂,i don't care,or given what i need it for - should i get 3060 8/12 gb?
@@DuneRunnerEnterprises not really. Support for intel arc cards has massively improved performance with direct x11 games and lower. Also, the intel arc a750 is a great 1440p graphics card for around 200 dollars new (according to the model). And lastly, the 3060 is more than 100-150+ dollars more than the arc a750, and delivers about the same, if not worse performance. However, a good alternative, if you want to feel secure, is the amd rx 6600, or the 6600 xt. They cost around the same, and have generally good performance in comparason to the arc a750, with the rx 6600 being cheaper than the arc a750 for 20 dollars, and the amd rx6600 xt competing neck-and-neck with the arc card, sometimes beating it.
I run an Arc A310 in my HP 800 G4 SFF, i5-8400, 32gb ram as I play fairly mid range games, it scores just over 5000 on a benchmark so not bad for a $275 setup.
I've been using a Arc A580 as my daily driver for months now. Got it at $180 pm Amazon. So far it has lived up to my expectation on every game I own. Will definitely be upgrading to Battlemage when it releases.
I paired a Arc A750 with a Xeon e5 2680v4 CPU and had fantastic results. China x99 mobo had resizable bar enabled everything was smooth. Great bang for buck here.
I've got an intel arc a580 and it's surprisingly capable at 1440p gaming. I did a video on it with a bunch of different games. I will say, even though it's come a long way you will need to troubleshoot issues way more than amd and nvidia with every update to the drivers AND games. I hope intels next generation is more power efficient though because these cards are crazy power hungry compared to their equivalent amd and nvidia cards
If you watch sales and/or are OK with open box you can often land the A770 for under $250 and sometimes as low as $199 which IMHO makes it the king of budget GPUs right now.
I went from nVidia 1660 Super to ARC A750 and yea WOW, totally blown away by the upgrade for the price! When I got the A750 the 6600 was significantly more expencive and the 4060 more so again... so I thought I'd take the gamble and I in no way regret it. I'll be buying a Battlemage on launch!
Getting an RX 7600 (non-X) 8GB for $200 with all the bank offers possible here in India on Amazon Great Indian Festival sale (you can call this sale pretty equivalent to your Prime Day/Black Friday kinda thing in the US). I would personally like to go for 7600 and skip the A750 in the same price range
I have an older pc I built back in 2020, R5 3600 1660Super that I am planning to set up again for my wife as I just built a new pc, R9 5900X 4070Super as the 1660Super build was really lacking in modern games. I was thinking about putting a better GPU in the old rig and this seems great for the price.
I don't think Black Myth Wukong is wrong is far as performance goes. In 2024, this is on the lower end of mid range GPUs. When testing a 6600xt, and 6650xtm the performance was only a bit better. These results some accurate.
I did a budget commission build earlier in the week that was going to run the ASRock Arc 770 Challenger edition 16GB board since it was around $300 USD, but went with an RX 6700XT 16GB instead since my client had found it for the same price. The Arc isn't bad for a budget build since you can get them at a decent price point. However; since sometimes AMD boards of similar specs can come in at the same price point had have more reliable driver update timetables, it's generally a more favorable choice if there isn't a price difference. Even going down to the Arc 750 8GB, you can get the RX 6600 8GB for the same price. Intel's pricing just isn't competitive enough to outright save money compared to similar AMD boards. Since Intel's drivers have a reputation for not coming fast enough and/or being a little sketchy, (I know they've improved both their speed and stability recently) it's hard to recommend them over a more tested brand.
I feel like the price point for this should be $130 - $150. Nobody is talking about it because it's not worth it. The way it hung on cyberpunk would frustrate me, and 20-40fps on wukong is.. yeah. Driver support is not as good as AMD and Nvidia. For the same price you can get a RX 6600, and with AMD's new FSR you can get a SMOOTH 60-70fps on 1080p high. Not the stutter that was in this intel benchmark. With FSR on the Rx 6600 you can get 80fps in Wukong. 60fps in very high. For the same price, I feel this video is leading gamers to the wrong video card. 2nd gen battlemage might be interesting, but avoid these cards for now, unless you snag one at a major deal on a used one or something.
Got an arc a750 in my pc that I built for about $250 USD by spending six months deal hunting and finding parts like my case in the trash. What really made it a $250 build though, is my b450 never arriving from aliexpress, and then finally showing up a few days after I got a refund for it. As well as getting a used a750 LE in mint condition on fb marketplace for just $163 usd :D
I'd feel a lot better about getting this graphics card when Intel releases their next generation of cards. I wouldn't want to buy into an orphaned Intel product line.
I totally agree. My workshop PC runs a Sparke ARC A750 Titan OC, combined with an i5 10400 and 32 GB DDR4-2667 on an ASUS Prime B460-Plus. And it works totally fine. I have some NVIDIA and AMD GPUs in my other systems and ARC evolved a lot in the last 18 month (since I own one). Since I built many PCs for friends, family and some customers as a side hustle, I am really happy to see that. AMD is quite a bit more expensive but still an option if someone wants something with overall more mature drivers and features. And since NVIDIA got so expensive, I try to ditch them as often as possible. And since the RX760/XT and RTX4060/TI only have an x8-interface, I usually recommend an ARC as an upgrade for an older system, if it is new enough for Resizable Bar. Also, you guys mentioned it in the 500-$-PC build, but forgot it here: ALWAYS MAKE SURE TO ENABLE RESIZABLE BAR, but especially when running an ARC!!!
Latest Arc Battlemage leaked specs suggest its 50% more powerful than the A750 Which makes sense, the 750 is decent but no powerhouse Why release a new line if it isn't a step up from below mid-grade.
Same strategy AMD is shifting towards, compete in the average consumer market instead of the top of the line. I may be biased running a budget focused channel but I love that strategy
I get the strategy but I'm not sure competing for 2nd place is best The profit margin is higher for top end performance and with no competition you get all the sales Once all the 50 series GPUs are released there should be at least 5 including 40 series that are faster than 7900xtx Enter 60 series and AMD will drop to10th place or worse on the performance charts How is that a winning strategy if Nvidia GPU prices don't skyrocket?
The A750 is beaten by the RX6600 by 10-20% depending on the game and costs the same. Also, it handles Vulkan better too. Additionally, the A750 will perform massively worse in older titles. It really doesn't do DX9,10 or 11 very well at all and this is obvious when looking at Passmark test results, where the 6600 scores about 70% better than an A750.
@@Conumdrumit’s all about gaining market share and amd has dominated the mid range so much already if they actually focused on it it would be mostly there’s in theory and they’d have more money to make high end gpus right now amd has the goal of market share gain
It was the first GPU i bought and it did a great job with my 13600k, I ended upgrading to a 14900k and a 4070 ti super. but still have the Arc A750 and 13600k on my self
What no one is talking about is how these are absolute bangers when it comes to creative work and there's nothing from AMD or NVIDIA that competes with price to performance. Nvidia does still have the edge when comes to 3D rendering apps but that's it. Been running the Sparkle A750 a full year now and the money I've made with this bad boy has more than paid for itself. Can't wait to grab the B580 and B750 hopefully.
Picked up an opened-box Sparkle A380 ELF < $95 from Micro Center to "tinker" with an Intel GPU + rebar without spending double or more for an A580 or higher. Was able to tweak the factory default settings using the Predator BiFrost and ARC OC Tools software to perform between a RX 570 and RX 580 on Time Spy...4487. Got Borderlands 3/Tiny Tina's Wonderland 72-75 FPS 1080p Medium-High settings; equivalent or better than my overclocked XFX RX 470 8GB. A positive enough experience for me to give consideration to a Battlemage offering if/when that becomes reality.
I benchmarked black myth wukong the other day at Very High settings on my Arc A580 with a ryzen 5 4500 and got mid to high 40 fps without any lag issues
I still think there is much more performance to extract from these cards, the fact that the a750 has more Tflops than an rtx4060 (17.2 compared to 15.1) but its nowhere near a 4060 in terms of game performance is weird, If intel works on optimizing the drivers for those cards even more in the future i think they have the potential to age even better.
not to hate or anything but why test such an op rig with a $200 gpu? isnt this supoosed to be some budget pc type thing? so like the components would have to somewhat match right?
But it will cost more than 4060 counting in long term power cost, and tons of drawbacks that I really don't wanna talk anymore, but if u could get it cheap, it's really not that bad
No one is talking about 1st gen Arc because: 1. These cards were almost unusable at launch. Their drivers were terrible and just straight-up, didn't work. It took them waaaaay too long to get to now, where the GPU's are now in a usable state. Note, I said 'usable', not 'optimal'. As in, there are still bugs and problems here and there. Nothing HUGE, like there was at launch, but why waste your hard earned money when Nvidia and AMD (which is also cheaper than Nvidia) don't have these problems. 2. Battlemage (2nd gen Arc) releases Dec. 12 3. Not only does Battlemage release in Dec., but next gen Nvidia and AMD cards are coming in Jan. If you're on a limited budget, don't mind tinkering with settings on occasion AND absolutely need a GPU right NOW, then I think 1st gen Arc is a worthy option. If you don't fall into ALL three of those criteria, then there's no real reason to consider Intel. Not when 6000/7000 series AMD and 3000/4000 series Nvidia are sitting on store shelves and their next gen GPU's are less than two months away.
the problem with intel arc gpu are most software developers does not bother to support their software or apps to run "optimized" in intel gpu... it will probably take them a decade or two. same as radeon after they enter the market competing with nvdia. because nvdia literally runs 99% stability on most apps,3d software, 3d plugins,rendering, and games... while intel arc is not
My question is will they support them long term or abandon them shortly after the next generation comes out..... I hope they succeed because we need competition but I would rather stick with AMD until it's clear they're in it for the long haul.
You can get the RX6600 for the same price and it is a better performing GPU. This is why intel's market share gets rounded down to 0%. The problem with Arc is that a poor choice in memory subsystem design caused compatibility issues, requirin much patching via the driver. This is why it is unsurprising that the ARC driver package is over twice the size of the Nvidia one. Battlemage won't have this issue but it is too late. The reputational damage is already done.
Arc a770 has improved drivers with time But still lagging Also dev support is still not on par But that's a great news: b770 n b790 will be no joke especially for video editors
@@sonisudhanshu85 Sparkle A770 Titan OC edition 16gb. AsRock Mobo Ryzen 5800X 32gb DDR4. In Blender my old 2060 OC keeps up with it. I got it to add QuickSync to my system being that media engine comes with the card. Tried it in a dual GPU layout with my 4070 and DaVinci and Blender didn't like it. Running it by itself the 4070 outperforms it and in some renders it does by 10+ minutes. Maybe there's some future updates that will "fix" this as it has dual media engines and hopefully it will help get full utilization of them.
@@NTATchannelNickTaylor if i understand correct you are getting bad Blender Render times on arc a770 compared to rtx 4070 or even rtx 2060 OC, what about the Viewport performance while Modeling or Sculpting Assets, texturing and Animating them and what about Water/Cloud/Fog/Cloth and other simulations? Does it lags or freezes? And does it lags or freezes while Editing previews and Renders? Or i am getting things completely wrong and these are CPU dependents and not GPU dependents.
@@sonisudhanshu85 Its slow, I didn't write down actual numbers as I don't do content on that. It's very obvious that it's struggling, Viewport rotation very jittery where as the 4070 is not. I stopped and shut the machine down and put the 2060-OC back in until I got a 4070 a few days after.
The problem I have with ARC is I can't install my X-Plane 12 and Intel and Laminar Research keep pointing the blame at the other. So no more ARC for me.
Outside of gaming, ARC has some good features over AMD. Has built-in ray tracing and AI acceleration. Has some decent features if you stream, but never used them. XeSS from what I've heard is also better than FSR. Still went with A770, since it has 16GB VRAM. Looks to cheapest card with 16GB of VRAM.
These might end up like the LG line of phones which were cutting edge and top tier but had very poor marketing except for the occasional review on youtube which promoted them.
Reason why I'm not talking about them is simple - it's impossible to buy them where I live legally. You can buy Radeon 7900 XT or RTX 4090 but not Intel Arc
I saw a 3060 12GB on Facebook Marketplace for $190. Should I get that, the Arc A750, or a different GPU? I'm trying to stay around $200. My CPU is an i7 8700k.
Zero streaming support and ZERO VR support means a LOT of folks will have no use for it. Even if you aren't a twitch streaming, folks like being able to stream to friends in Discord, and the cards can barely handle OBS recording. Great for someone who will never, ever record or stream, and will NEVER want VR. Essentially at the moment they are the absolute best of the least useful cards.
Is it the video performance in TH-cam or the sequences from the games are a bit 'choppy', especially when the camera pans or moves around a lot? The value in FPS would make one think it's supposed the rendering is smooth enough
TH-cam always seems to introduce hiccups in my uploads where none exist in the original. My A770LE never stutters...in any title. I usually have MOZA Pithouse, OBS, Fanaleds, STEAM and the actual racing title running during live recording. Broadcast smooth video. Not sure what the various reviewer of these cards are doing to achieve such stuttering.
This isn't widely available in SEA and only the LE ones can be bought. Worse still, they're competing with old cards which is oddly more preferable. Brand power is still a thing so even if this is better than a 1660, it's not Nvidia. People just need to show this off more often.
I'm surprised no one ever does tests on Indie games because you'd think most of your incompatibility problems would be with those. Especially since a lot of them run on DX9 or DX11 where Intel had the most issues. Black Myth Wukong, while it's a cool game runs on UE5 which pretty much runs like trash on anything unless you're running an RTX 4080 Super or a 4090. The new Silent Hill 2 Remake also runs on UE5 and is taxing because of it unless you're running top tier gpu's. While ray tracing isn't an absolute need I like how Intel was a bit smarter with their implementation using hardware instead of software like AMD. I don't have any games that really have any RT capability. But it's there to play around with if I want to in the future. My one game I had an issue with on my Arc A770 was Black Mesa but I eventually found a fix for it and it works fine now. The game still loaded fine but it was missing textures on some objects and the flash light didn't cast light on surrounding surfaces. But it still ran at about 250fps while playing. One Indie game I own that I tested on my A770 when I got it was Amid Evil and it runs at about 600fps with unlimited fps set on the slider. But when you do that the card started putting off coil whine so I had to lock the fps slider to 200fps so it didn't make any noise. So far with the few indie games I own ARC seems to be a good alternative for those. Especially since it has a setting for integer scaling already in Arc Control. I remember a lot of people complaining about how long it took for AMD to put that in their drivers while Nvidia already had it from day-1.
Honestly if the Arc cards were good for gaming when they released then I would of honestly got one because they are so cheap here in SA and I wanted one when I was building my pc but I chose one of AMDs cards since it was the same price but if the arc cards keep getting better then I might consider upgrading to one
With Radeon virtual resolution(RSR) and FSR I can game at 1440p on a 1080p monitor then use FSR to boost fps. I see no reason to buy anything over $350 for a GPU these days.RSR and FSR is made for budget gamers.
Power consumption compared to its competitors? After a year of playing at 180w you're going to notice it in your bill.. and also its ability to Stream or render?
Streaming would never be an issue with this card . My 2060 with old 6th gen xeon streams beautifully .. streaming depends on cpu mostly not gpu ..multi thread cpu is key ..
No one (that has a clue about gaming PCs) would use a $200 GPU in a $1800 system you tested in. The 8Gb Arc 750 is for budget builds. R5 5600, 32Gb DDR4, 1TB SSD...ect. Also, that card uses way too much power for its performance.
As a person who had an intel arc a770 for over a year, its pretty good, But the performance can be super hit or miss especially with older games and with newer games, it took months for alan wake 2 to become playable so i veru recently swithed back to AMD with the 7600XT. Edit: a decent amount of older games just refused to run
They probably aren't interested right now because Intels newest GPU " Arc Battlemage "Xe2"" will be dropping very soon.
prob not. battlemage is just 1000 points higher than an A750 back in Sept 2024. It's looking like a 2025 release. It has the same cores as an a580 but only a bit faster than the A750...
If the leaked Specs are accurate.....12GB of VRAM and The GPU has 24 Xe2 cores, 192 execution units, 15 TFLOPs of single precision performance, and a 1.8 GHz base clock. Suggesting the Battlemage GPU is 50% faster than the Arc A750.
intel arc junkssss
@@Samuel-ft9hq thank you for your input DH
@@PCrealitys it will be something around 4070 from what they said
I use Arc in my PC. I use a Ryzen 7 5700X, Arc A770 16GB, 32GB RAM, 1tb nvme, a B550 motherboard, and 850W PSU. It does what I want it to do. I recommend Arc.
plenty have audio crackling issues when pairing a ARC A770 with a ryzen 5th gen. Just something to be aware of.
My build has arc a770 and ryzen 5 7600x. No issues and no audio crackling
My audio does sounds weird at times. I would have never guessed it’s my A770 16gb LE graphics card. I have a 5900x cpu.
what resolution are you using?
@@twinn61661I don’t remember off the top of my head but will try to guide you but try this:
Open task manager, go to the details tab or process forgot with one
Then right click “audio…” and set affinity and run it on like cpu 3 only. See if that fixes it.
I have been running my Arc 770 for 6 months and could not be happier. Running 1440p and haven't had a problem with AAA games.
Same except I've only had mine for a month or two!
I'm curious because I've thought about making a living room pc. So you don't think you need to be good at tinkering with gpus to utilize the arc? That's what most content creators say. You think it would be okay for someone who isn't tech savy?
@@danielhulan3058 I love my a770 but I wouldn’t make it a living room PC Card because they can get a bit power hungry and amd probably would be a better option if you wanted to keep it a little more efficient and use their 6k series at least if you just want a workstation conversion but you absolutely need to have a 3rd gen ryzen or higher that can utilize rezisable bar if not arc will be trash
@@danielhulan3058 I am medium+ at setups and tinkering but found this thing runs great out of the box. Just make sure resizeable bar is turned on (usually in BIOS) and it just goes!
What CPU do you have?
Unfortunately the Arc cards do have the rep of the drivers when they dropped. But you are right.. intel's offerings look a LOT more worth trying now then back then.
than back then*
@@GentlyUsedFrog o7
@@MegabyteRedSector o7
For that price the RX 6600 is a must. The ARC will be better in some cases, but for a more all around performance the Radeon is the choice.
I use a 6600 in my pc now with a R5 4500
arc junksssss
Was about to say this.
Don't forget about the higher power draw from Arc.
And significantly lower power draw, only requiring a single 8-pin connector instead of the two on the Arc
I may buy a intel card when the battle mage series releases
Yeah I'm also looking forward to Battlemage
I bought an A770 for 220 open box at Micro Center. Bought it to see what it was really like to use Intel GPU and it's not as bad as you think. Driver support is surprisingly good. Overall happy I picked it up!
Iva had my Arc a770 for almost a year now and I’ve had no issues, I love it
December 22 2024 will be two years since purchasing my A770LE.
Not one single ingame crash.
One title...Rfactor2 will occasionally not launch...but zero crashes or freezes of any title during actual gameplay to date.
Very, very smooth also...broadcast quality.
bought my arc a770 16gb a few months ago have been loving the 1440p performance
They are cheaper compared to nvidia cards I'm definitely thinking about a 16gig arc 770 gpu
Gotta be old games or running upscaling, Arc is slower than a 6600, and isn't exactly cheap. The 6700 is a better 1440p GPU and AMD is running sales. Nvidia has that 12gb 3060 as well. Arc has some weird configuration issues too, requiring rebar, and only AMD supports "smart" rebar. Nvidia is bad with it, and I think Arc support is all per game driver optimization instead of a "smart" approach. This is why Arc is all over the place. I don't think Arc uses more than x8 PCIe either. It's a really messed up card, that has capabilities that are bottlenecked by Intel's own CPU and the PCI connection. It needs a new design to fix the bottlenecks, and maybe a new CPU platform.
I have been using an Arc A580 in my son's PC. It really is a pretty solid card for the price!
How if the card came Out the other day.
@eljuancho2 Intel Arc A580 is what is in my son's pc. Intel Arc B580 is what came out the other day.
note to anyone rocking older rigs
If it don't support rebar don't bother trying.
Really don't know why I'm watching this video, I'm already planning for an Intel ARC A750 as my next upgrade.
Do it!
@@ToastyBros Just installed an Intel Arc A750 and am very happy with the performance. Huge upgrade from my Intel Arc A380. It makes a really good match for my i5-12600KF.
I built my brother a pc with the A750 last prime day. Total cost was about $600. It dropped to $170 I think (maybe it will again tomorrow for prime day), I remember it was the same price as the A580 so it was free performance. It’s been a good gpu, and I recommend supporting competition in the GPU market.
My steam rig that I have is a 13400f and an arc750. It’s a great card and is definitely a slept on card.
And you get the bonus of AV1 encoding withought having to get a 4090!
mine is 11400f and an a750...1440p bliss...1st two days with the card were very frustrating..mb needed diff firmware to have sound w/card (weird)..after that no issues...if msi afterburner ever fully supports undervolting for arc look out
running that setup except using the a770 16gb damn fine card
Oc.
Guys,i'm kinda @crossroads here.
I can get NEW Acer Bifrost edition A750 for 270 usd,or ,an open box standard one for less - 217 usd.
Buuut,i'm not going 1440,and not all that in new games,more for the DirectX 11 games,and , even older titles.
The deal here - should i go for Arc,and i could fragg around 😂,i don't care,or given what i need it for - should i get 3060 8/12 gb?
@@DuneRunnerEnterprises not really. Support for intel arc cards has massively improved performance with direct x11 games and lower. Also, the intel arc a750 is a great 1440p graphics card for around 200 dollars new (according to the model). And lastly, the 3060 is more than 100-150+ dollars more than the arc a750, and delivers about the same, if not worse performance. However, a good alternative, if you want to feel secure, is the amd rx 6600, or the 6600 xt. They cost around the same, and have generally good performance in comparason to the arc a750, with the rx 6600 being cheaper than the arc a750 for 20 dollars, and the amd rx6600 xt competing neck-and-neck with the arc card, sometimes beating it.
Very informative videos as usual, thank you for making high-quality content!
I run an Arc A310 in my HP 800 G4 SFF, i5-8400, 32gb ram as I play fairly mid range games, it scores just over 5000 on a benchmark so not bad for a $275 setup.
I've been using a Arc A580 as my daily driver for months now. Got it at $180 pm Amazon. So far it has lived up to my expectation on every game I own. Will definitely be upgrading to Battlemage when it releases.
I love my arc a580, i never could've imagine using intel for a gpu but here i am 💙
I paired a Arc A750 with a Xeon e5 2680v4 CPU and had fantastic results. China x99 mobo had resizable bar enabled everything was smooth. Great bang for buck here.
Wow! Didn’t know those old boards would work with rebar. Nice
@@ToastyBros some of the Chinese ones have rebar.
I've got an intel arc a580 and it's surprisingly capable at 1440p gaming. I did a video on it with a bunch of different games. I will say, even though it's come a long way you will need to troubleshoot issues way more than amd and nvidia with every update to the drivers AND games. I hope intels next generation is more power efficient though because these cards are crazy power hungry compared to their equivalent amd and nvidia cards
Always love seeing that epic Test Bench
*Waiting to see what battlemage has to offer*
If you watch sales and/or are OK with open box you can often land the A770 for under $250 and sometimes as low as $199 which IMHO makes it the king of budget GPUs right now.
Nice video. As a Linux user I have been sticking with team red for awhile now. So far my RX 5600XT is fine.
I went from nVidia 1660 Super to ARC A750 and yea WOW, totally blown away by the upgrade for the price! When I got the A750 the 6600 was significantly more expencive and the 4060 more so again... so I thought I'd take the gamble and I in no way regret it. I'll be buying a Battlemage on launch!
Getting an RX 7600 (non-X) 8GB for $200 with all the bank offers possible here in India on Amazon Great Indian Festival sale (you can call this sale pretty equivalent to your Prime Day/Black Friday kinda thing in the US).
I would personally like to go for 7600 and skip the A750 in the same price range
I have an older pc I built back in 2020, R5 3600 1660Super that I am planning to set up again for my wife as I just built a new pc, R9 5900X 4070Super as the 1660Super build was really lacking in modern games. I was thinking about putting a better GPU in the old rig and this seems great for the price.
I don't think Black Myth Wukong is wrong is far as performance goes. In 2024, this is on the lower end of mid range GPUs. When testing a 6600xt, and 6650xtm the performance was only a bit better. These results some accurate.
I did a budget commission build earlier in the week that was going to run the ASRock Arc 770 Challenger edition 16GB board since it was around $300 USD, but went with an RX 6700XT 16GB instead since my client had found it for the same price. The Arc isn't bad for a budget build since you can get them at a decent price point. However; since sometimes AMD boards of similar specs can come in at the same price point had have more reliable driver update timetables, it's generally a more favorable choice if there isn't a price difference. Even going down to the Arc 750 8GB, you can get the RX 6600 8GB for the same price. Intel's pricing just isn't competitive enough to outright save money compared to similar AMD boards. Since Intel's drivers have a reputation for not coming fast enough and/or being a little sketchy, (I know they've improved both their speed and stability recently) it's hard to recommend them over a more tested brand.
I feel like the price point for this should be $130 - $150. Nobody is talking about it because it's not worth it. The way it hung on cyberpunk would frustrate me, and 20-40fps on wukong is.. yeah. Driver support is not as good as AMD and Nvidia. For the same price you can get a RX 6600, and with AMD's new FSR you can get a SMOOTH 60-70fps on 1080p high. Not the stutter that was in this intel benchmark. With FSR on the Rx 6600 you can get 80fps in Wukong. 60fps in very high.
For the same price, I feel this video is leading gamers to the wrong video card.
2nd gen battlemage might be interesting, but avoid these cards for now, unless you snag one at a major deal on a used one or something.
Agreed👍 it's also way more power efficient.
Got an arc a750 in my pc that I built for about $250 USD by spending six months deal hunting and finding parts like my case in the trash. What really made it a $250 build though, is my b450 never arriving from aliexpress, and then finally showing up a few days after I got a refund for it. As well as getting a used a750 LE in mint condition on fb marketplace for just $163 usd :D
What CPU do you have?
RX580 is the GOAT for me- still happy with it 😌
I'd feel a lot better about getting this graphics card when Intel releases their next generation of cards. I wouldn't want to buy into an orphaned Intel product line.
I totally agree. My workshop PC runs a Sparke ARC A750 Titan OC, combined with an i5 10400 and 32 GB DDR4-2667 on an ASUS Prime B460-Plus. And it works totally fine. I have some NVIDIA and AMD GPUs in my other systems and ARC evolved a lot in the last 18 month (since I own one). Since I built many PCs for friends, family and some customers as a side hustle, I am really happy to see that. AMD is quite a bit more expensive but still an option if someone wants something with overall more mature drivers and features. And since NVIDIA got so expensive, I try to ditch them as often as possible. And since the RX760/XT and RTX4060/TI only have an x8-interface, I usually recommend an ARC as an upgrade for an older system, if it is new enough for Resizable Bar.
Also, you guys mentioned it in the 500-$-PC build, but forgot it here: ALWAYS MAKE SURE TO ENABLE RESIZABLE BAR, but especially when running an ARC!!!
Latest Arc Battlemage leaked specs suggest its 50% more powerful than the A750 Which makes sense, the 750 is decent but no powerhouse Why release a new line if it isn't a step up from below mid-grade.
Same strategy AMD is shifting towards, compete in the average consumer market instead of the top of the line. I may be biased running a budget focused channel but I love that strategy
I get the strategy but I'm not sure competing for 2nd place is best The profit margin is higher for top end performance and with no competition you get all the sales Once all the 50 series GPUs are released there should be at least 5 including 40 series that are faster than 7900xtx Enter 60 series and AMD will drop to10th place or worse on the performance charts How is that a winning strategy if Nvidia GPU prices don't skyrocket?
The A750 is beaten by the RX6600 by 10-20% depending on the game and costs the same. Also, it handles Vulkan better too. Additionally, the A750 will perform massively worse in older titles. It really doesn't do DX9,10 or 11 very well at all and this is obvious when looking at Passmark test results, where the 6600 scores about 70% better than an A750.
@@Lurch-Bot The A750 has no bearing on Battlemage
@@Conumdrumit’s all about gaining market share and amd has dominated the mid range so much already if they actually focused on it it would be mostly there’s in theory and they’d have more money to make high end gpus right now amd has the goal of market share gain
It was the first GPU i bought and it did a great job with my 13600k, I ended upgrading to a 14900k and a 4070 ti super. but still have the Arc A750 and 13600k on my self
Now bridge them with hybrid software driver level unifiers.
just built a 6 card crypto rig running a380s. pretty happy with it.
I was going to look for an Intel Arc card for my current build to try out, but with what was available and my budget, I went with an AMD RX 7600.
What no one is talking about is how these are absolute bangers when it comes to creative work and there's nothing from AMD or NVIDIA that competes with price to performance. Nvidia does still have the edge when comes to 3D rendering apps but that's it. Been running the Sparkle A750 a full year now and the money I've made with this bad boy has more than paid for itself. Can't wait to grab the B580 and B750 hopefully.
I've heard that these cards don't work so well on older hardware that lack Rebar.
Picked up an opened-box Sparkle A380 ELF < $95 from Micro Center to "tinker" with an Intel GPU + rebar without spending double or more for an A580 or higher. Was able to tweak the factory default settings using the Predator BiFrost and ARC OC Tools software to perform between a RX 570 and RX 580 on Time Spy...4487. Got Borderlands 3/Tiny Tina's Wonderland 72-75 FPS 1080p Medium-High settings; equivalent or better than my overclocked XFX RX 470 8GB.
A positive enough experience for me to give consideration to a Battlemage offering if/when that becomes reality.
I benchmarked black myth wukong the other day at Very High settings on my Arc A580 with a ryzen 5 4500 and got mid to high 40 fps without any lag issues
I upgraded to an Intel Arc graphics card and my Internet Explorer goes black and then returns back to normal often.
i actually bought an Sparkle Titan arc770 16gb and are very happy with that card. I got a smoking deal and i have no regrets
I still think there is much more performance to extract from these cards, the fact that the a750 has more Tflops than an rtx4060 (17.2 compared to 15.1) but its nowhere near a 4060 in terms of game performance is weird, If intel works on optimizing the drivers for those cards even more in the future i think they have the potential to age even better.
not to hate or anything but why test such an op rig with a $200 gpu? isnt this supoosed to be some budget pc type thing? so like the components would have to somewhat match right?
eliminates the possibility of a bottleneck.
So if there are any issues? They'll be the GPU.
But it will cost more than 4060 counting in long term power cost, and tons of drawbacks that I really don't wanna talk anymore, but if u could get it cheap, it's really not that bad
> Waow look at this amazing GPU
> Upscale to hit 1080p target at 40fps
No one is talking about 1st gen Arc because:
1. These cards were almost unusable at launch. Their drivers were terrible and just straight-up, didn't work. It took them waaaaay too long to get to now, where the GPU's are now in a usable state. Note, I said 'usable', not 'optimal'. As in, there are still bugs and problems here and there. Nothing HUGE, like there was at launch, but why waste your hard earned money when Nvidia and AMD (which is also cheaper than Nvidia) don't have these problems.
2. Battlemage (2nd gen Arc) releases Dec. 12
3. Not only does Battlemage release in Dec., but next gen Nvidia and AMD cards are coming in Jan.
If you're on a limited budget, don't mind tinkering with settings on occasion AND absolutely need a GPU right NOW, then I think 1st gen Arc is a worthy option. If you don't fall into ALL three of those criteria, then there's no real reason to consider Intel. Not when 6000/7000 series AMD and 3000/4000 series Nvidia are sitting on store shelves and their next gen GPU's are less than two months away.
the problem with intel arc gpu are most software developers does not bother to support their software or apps to run "optimized" in intel gpu... it will probably take them a decade or two. same as radeon after they enter the market competing with nvdia. because nvdia literally runs 99% stability on most apps,3d software, 3d plugins,rendering, and games... while intel arc is not
snagged a Sparkle a770 16GB new in box on eBay for under $250. It's the ROC dual fan though. It's a good value since it can stream with AV1
The problem I have with Arc are the software. I have an A770 and trying to get triple screen working on most titles is a major pain.
I’m thinking of getting an A750, I have a i5-12400f so it won’t be a bottleneck problem
My question is will they support them long term or abandon them shortly after the next generation comes out..... I hope they succeed because we need competition but I would rather stick with AMD until it's clear they're in it for the long haul.
You can get the RX6600 for the same price and it is a better performing GPU. This is why intel's market share gets rounded down to 0%. The problem with Arc is that a poor choice in memory subsystem design caused compatibility issues, requirin much patching via the driver. This is why it is unsurprising that the ARC driver package is over twice the size of the Nvidia one.
Battlemage won't have this issue but it is too late. The reputational damage is already done.
Arc a770 has improved drivers with time
But still lagging
Also dev support is still not on par
But that's a great news: b770 n b790 will be no joke especially for video editors
I was about to get this one but 6650xt went to 199.99 in prime days and went there right away
so a 50% less power cpu will work good with it also !!!???
Intel's drivers have sometimes faced issues with compatibility and optimization
Well arc does make for an awesome plex/jellyfin streamer at least.
Everybody waiting for Battlemage, that's why.
thank you guys for trying it on cyberpunk .
i already save money on my windows activation by not buying it
Being here in 7 minutes feels illegal
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same lol
I edit with DaVinci and create 3D with Blender, no Gaming. It's a very nice card just not for what I use a PC for.
Can you please elaborate What Arc card you have and what performance issues it gives with Blender and Editing Apps?
I am asking this because i want to build a PC and my use-case is exactly same to your, edit 4k videos with some vfx and create 3D with Blender.
@@sonisudhanshu85 Sparkle A770 Titan OC edition 16gb. AsRock Mobo Ryzen 5800X 32gb DDR4. In Blender my old 2060 OC keeps up with it. I got it to add QuickSync to my system being that media engine comes with the card. Tried it in a dual GPU layout with my 4070 and DaVinci and Blender didn't like it. Running it by itself the 4070 outperforms it and in some renders it does by 10+ minutes. Maybe there's some future updates that will "fix" this as it has dual media engines and hopefully it will help get full utilization of them.
@@NTATchannelNickTaylor if i understand correct you are getting bad Blender Render times on arc a770 compared to rtx 4070 or even rtx 2060 OC, what about the Viewport performance while Modeling or Sculpting Assets, texturing and Animating them and what about Water/Cloud/Fog/Cloth and other simulations? Does it lags or freezes?
And does it lags or freezes while Editing previews and Renders?
Or i am getting things completely wrong and these are CPU dependents and not GPU dependents.
@@sonisudhanshu85 Its slow, I didn't write down actual numbers as I don't do content on that. It's very obvious that it's struggling, Viewport rotation very jittery where as the 4070 is not. I stopped and shut the machine down and put the 2060-OC back in until I got a 4070 a few days after.
The problem I have with ARC is I can't install my X-Plane 12 and Intel and Laminar Research keep pointing the blame at the other. So no more ARC for me.
My first gpu ever was an arc a580. Was a decent card. But for $200 you can buy 3070’s on marketplace all day long
Having disposable income is what's holding me back from grabbing a Sparkle Orc.
I want one!
Bro I had this on my list, it's gonna go up now 😭😭
Spec wise it makes sense but...I play older game as well, drivers will probably be an issue .
Outside of gaming, ARC has some good features over AMD.
Has built-in ray tracing and AI acceleration.
Has some decent features if you stream, but never used them.
XeSS from what I've heard is also better than FSR.
Still went with A770, since it has 16GB VRAM.
Looks to cheapest card with 16GB of VRAM.
all you need is a 5800x paired with a 6800xt for 1440p ultra/high setttings
i have a discounted A770 16gb as a second card on my non-main PC. it runs pretty much everything very well now. Too bad Intel is gonna nuke the line.
These might end up like the LG line of phones which were cutting edge and top tier but had very poor marketing except for the occasional review on youtube which promoted them.
Used prices are what is holding me from arc.
Is gvgmall safe to shop?
Reason why I'm not talking about them is simple - it's impossible to buy them where I live legally. You can buy Radeon 7900 XT or RTX 4090 but not Intel Arc
I never knew much about the intel arc series tbh
I saw a 3060 12GB on Facebook Marketplace for $190. Should I get that, the Arc A750, or a different GPU? I'm trying to stay around $200. My CPU is an i7 8700k.
Offer 160 for the 3060
Doesnt this thing use twice the power of a 3060 or rx6600?
It can use 225w but at 100% in stock settings it pulls about 150-180w its around the same as 3060
Zero streaming support and ZERO VR support means a LOT of folks will have no use for it. Even if you aren't a twitch streaming, folks like being able to stream to friends in Discord, and the cards can barely handle OBS recording. Great for someone who will never, ever record or stream, and will NEVER want VR. Essentially at the moment they are the absolute best of the least useful cards.
So my GTX 1060 6GB is better for VR? 😂
ARC seems to have so many compatibility issues. Is that overblown?
I actually have that card being delivered Wednesday
Id already have an A770, but older games and emulation are at least 50% of what I play
Is it the video performance in TH-cam or the sequences from the games are a bit 'choppy', especially when the camera pans or moves around a lot? The value in FPS would make one think it's supposed the rendering is smooth enough
TH-cam always seems to introduce hiccups in my uploads where none exist in the original.
My A770LE never stutters...in any title.
I usually have MOZA Pithouse, OBS, Fanaleds, STEAM and the actual racing title running during live recording.
Broadcast smooth video.
Not sure what the various reviewer of these cards are doing to achieve such stuttering.
ARC is so underrated.
As someone who’s gunna play like 4 games on pc this graphics card might be it
This isn't widely available in SEA and only the LE ones can be bought. Worse still, they're competing with old cards which is oddly more preferable. Brand power is still a thing so even if this is better than a 1660, it's not Nvidia.
People just need to show this off more often.
I'm surprised no one ever does tests on Indie games because you'd think most of your incompatibility problems would be with those. Especially since a lot of them run on DX9 or DX11 where Intel had the most issues. Black Myth Wukong, while it's a cool game runs on UE5 which pretty much runs like trash on anything unless you're running an RTX 4080 Super or a 4090. The new Silent Hill 2 Remake also runs on UE5 and is taxing because of it unless you're running top tier gpu's.
While ray tracing isn't an absolute need I like how Intel was a bit smarter with their implementation using hardware instead of software like AMD. I don't have any games that really have any RT capability. But it's there to play around with if I want to in the future. My one game I had an issue with on my Arc A770 was Black Mesa but I eventually found a fix for it and it works fine now. The game still loaded fine but it was missing textures on some objects and the flash light didn't cast light on surrounding surfaces. But it still ran at about 250fps while playing. One Indie game I own that I tested on my A770 when I got it was Amid Evil and it runs at about 600fps with unlimited fps set on the slider. But when you do that the card started putting off coil whine so I had to lock the fps slider to 200fps so it didn't make any noise.
So far with the few indie games I own ARC seems to be a good alternative for those. Especially since it has a setting for integer scaling already in Arc Control. I remember a lot of people complaining about how long it took for AMD to put that in their drivers while Nvidia already had it from day-1.
Honestly if the Arc cards were good for gaming when they released then I would of honestly got one because they are so cheap here in SA and I wanted one when I was building my pc but I chose one of AMDs cards since it was the same price but if the arc cards keep getting better then I might consider upgrading to one
With Radeon virtual resolution(RSR) and FSR I can game at 1440p on a 1080p monitor then use FSR to boost fps.
I see no reason to buy anything over $350 for a GPU these days.RSR and FSR is made for budget gamers.
Maybe because other tech channels say its trash .
Power consumption compared to its competitors? After a year of playing at 180w you're going to notice it in your bill.. and also its ability to Stream or render?
Streaming would never be an issue with this card . My 2060 with old 6th gen xeon streams beautifully .. streaming depends on cpu mostly not gpu ..multi thread cpu is key ..
Is this sponsored video? small of people use intel cards
No one (that has a clue about gaming PCs) would use a $200 GPU in a $1800 system you tested in. The 8Gb Arc 750 is for budget builds. R5 5600, 32Gb DDR4, 1TB SSD...ect.
Also, that card uses way too much power for its performance.
Says who ? Many use the arc for many builds . It's prefrence. Who really cares if one is happy with their hardware performs then nobody makes rules .
As a person who had an intel arc a770 for over a year, its pretty good, But the performance can be super hit or miss especially with older games and with newer games, it took months for alan wake 2 to become playable so i veru recently swithed back to AMD with the 7600XT.
Edit: a decent amount of older games just refused to run
How's the 7600xt been treating you? Think about getting the 7700xt
Bro Black Myth: Wukong
is most demanding game on the planet, of course you won't get 60 fps
its downloading the game, from the speed im seeing it will not finish