Having separate parts and being possible 40 years old, out of pure safety I think I would take the whole thing apart and rebuild it. New rotors and bearings, rebuilt calipers and hoses, and rebuild the kingpins and replace the bushings. That way you could also sand or blast and powder coat or paint the control arms. It’s a project that could be done as money affords.
Jeff I converted my 65 F250 to front discs awhile back. I searched for used parts in my area and came up empty. The only option for getting the needed parts used was to buy a donor truck and I didn't want to do that. So I started shopping for a kit. I ended up buying from CPP. In talking to them I was told that this kit wasn't always available because of the shortage of spindles. Explains my search failure. For anybody out there with an F250, the F100 disc brake kit will work. The I beams are the same between the two as well as the king pins. Down side is you will have 5 bolt at the front and 8 bolt at the rear if you still have the Dana 60 as I do. Great video, thanks!
Thanks for the info. Who is cpp? Im in the same boat. I’ve thought about swapping a 9in to have matching bolt patterns. I’ve also read that they did make Dana 60s with 5 lug axles but they are pretty rare
Thanks for the information - I bought a 1972 Ford F-100 and it has the Front Disc Brakes and because of this video - my set came from a 77 - 79 F-100. I bought rotors for 1973 and will be putting them on - hope they fit.
I remember converting my 70 F100 to disc brakes about a year ago. The installation went perfectly except for when I was bolting the tie rod ends. The disc brake setup came out of a 74 F100 and the thread of the tie rod on my 70 was not long enough for me to bolt it to the 74 spindle. Needless to say I ended up buying a whole new tie rod assembly for a 74 F100 because "while were here" the rubber bushings were shot. I also had to change out the master cylinder designed for a front disc brake setup in conjunction with a proportioning valve. Thanks for the info about the king pin stuff, that was something I totally did not think about when I had the I-beams out. 👍
About the only place that can adjust camber on these trucks (like if you want to lower em with shorter coils) is a alignment shop that does box trucks and larger. A lot of bigger trucks have used beam type with king pin suspensions and have the ability to bend beams. Great show sir. 👍
Can you do a video on the brake lines modification, master cylinder and proportional valve needed along with the modifications needed on the rear brake lines to fully convert the F100 to a front disc brake system?
Thanks for the video, I've got a '67 F-100 w/ power drums and have a few questions: 1 - Are the radius arms and i-beams the same between 5th Gen (67-72) and 6th Gen (73-79)? If not, it seems the only benefit to getting a full 6th gen setup versus aftermarket spindles is just to avoid messing with the kingpins 2 - I see kits with supplied spindles as well as kits that use the drum spindles, any reason to avoid the latter other than risking your spindles might be toast? 3 - Proportional valve? I always thought needed for discs but a factory drum setup wouldn't have that thanks
Please do the Kingpin video soon, my bearing surfaces are all scratched up. Keen to see how they are refreshed. Love the F100 content! Any chance of talking about Bumpside cabs on Dentside chassis?
I have a 1972 f100 ranger xlt stock all brake drums, watching this videos makes me thing about swapping the front drums to rotors. Is the rotors the same bolt pattern as the rear axle bolt pattern???? An answer will be much appreciated. Please let me know, Thank you.
I was parts manager at a Ford dealership in the 90’s and we had some camber adjusters for twin I-beam suspensions, but I can’t remember the brand name. But an alignment specialty supplier might still offer something like it.
The later trucks had ball joints instead of king pins and you could set the caster and camber by changing bushings. Fixed and adjustable bushings are available. The older setup with king pins had no provision for adjustment.
Thanks for this video Jeff, I have been waiting for a good how to on this. I am swapping a 76’ onto my 69’ and have discussed the subject on Fordification. Two quick questions for you: 1). I don’t have a lift in my shop, how else besides installing the assembly can I test the king pins? 2.) Is it possible to pull the king pins and just swap the spindles ? Keep up the great work !
Not sure of a good way to be honest. You don't need a ton of weight, just enough to stabilize the arm and prevent movement. Broken down like we had ours, you can tell pretty quick if they are bad. From what I've read you are better served using the arms that came with the spindles due to the changes Ford made in the steering stops.
Great video! I have a 65 F100 and I-Beams, Controller arms, spindles, and brakes. I already removed the kingpin and disassembled the rest because I am going to repaint everything. IIs it ok to use the same kingpin when I reassemble? Are you going to have a video on completing the brakes?
I know it is probably impossible for you to do 4wd, bit I have a 72 f100 with a dana 44 low pinion axle, I plan on doing disc brake conversion, so if you could possibly find at least a little info on what parts to use. forums get confusing by jumping all over the place and not giving a straight forward answer
Ok I’ve gotten me a complete disc brake setup from a 73-79 f150. I got everything but the proportion valve. Is there a way to tell what year the setup is. I have DJM lowering ibeams on my 71 now and was wanting to make sure I get the correct king pins for the spindles. Also will need to get new calipers or atleast rebuild the one I have with the setup. My setup has the shields that have the vents.
Can’t wait till the install that’s what I’m wanting to do on my 71 short bed. One question why would anyone bend the radius arms I understand the I beams but my radius arms have been bent for some reason.
I'm sure it slipped your mind but I'm sure you are going to replace all the rubber bushings or at least transfer them over from the current set cause I thought you put new on current setup
I have a 1969 f250 camper with 360 a/t previous owner had autofab lift put in (bent I beams 5” , longer springs and aluminum blocks and longer u bolts inThe rear) I wanted to do a drum to disc conversion. Truck has brand new kingpins put in. Any suggestions on weather or not it can be done with the current height I beams?
Autorestomod Manic Mechanic Gasoline Media Thanks I’ll have to look into finding either an aftermarket kit or a 72 or 73 disc set at a junk yard or online
@@AutoRestoMod I should have been specific. The "original" twin I-Beam suspension assemblies that folks are removing to do CV swaps. Where are they all going when they put in the "today it's cool" Crown Vic subframes? I have noticed the CV subframes climbing in cost and shrinking in budget availability.
Ford is batting a thousand when it comes to bad suspension design in the 60s. Sorry Ford guys but their suspension designs were pretty bad across the board for a very long time. I have one and I like some of the cars and trucks but they really left allot to be desired in the suspension area. I haven't seen the I beam bender in a long time which is why many used a torch.
A+++ guys heck my 2005 Chevy bummer h2 has single piston callipers hydroboost silliness gross it need bigger more pistons shet my 1981 toyota has 4 piston callipers
Having separate parts and being possible 40 years old, out of pure safety I think I would take the whole thing apart and rebuild it. New rotors and bearings, rebuilt calipers and hoses, and rebuild the kingpins and replace the bushings. That way you could also sand or blast and powder coat or paint the control arms. It’s a project that could be done as money affords.
Jeff I converted my 65 F250 to front discs awhile back. I searched for used parts in my area and came up empty. The only option for getting the needed parts used was to buy a donor truck and I didn't want to do that. So I started shopping for a kit. I ended up buying from CPP. In talking to them I was told that this kit wasn't always available because of the shortage of spindles. Explains my search failure. For anybody out there with an F250, the F100 disc brake kit will work. The I beams are the same between the two as well as the king pins. Down side is you will have 5 bolt at the front and 8 bolt at the rear if you still have the Dana 60 as I do. Great video, thanks!
Thanks for the info. Who is cpp? Im in the same boat. I’ve thought about swapping a 9in to have matching bolt patterns. I’ve also read that they did make Dana 60s with 5 lug axles but they are pretty rare
Please reconsider doing the King pin's and bushings. It would be a great teaching video for so many f100 owners.
We may do that on the I beams that are coming out of the truck.
Thanks for the information - I bought a 1972 Ford F-100 and it has the Front Disc Brakes and because of this video - my set came from a 77 - 79 F-100. I bought rotors for 1973 and will be putting them on - hope they fit.
Glad it helped!
I remember converting my 70 F100 to disc brakes about a year ago. The installation went perfectly except for when I was bolting the tie rod ends. The disc brake setup came out of a 74 F100 and the thread of the tie rod on my 70 was not long enough for me to bolt it to the 74 spindle. Needless to say I ended up buying a whole new tie rod assembly for a 74 F100 because "while were here" the rubber bushings were shot. I also had to change out the master cylinder designed for a front disc brake setup in conjunction with a proportioning valve. Thanks for the info about the king pin stuff, that was something I totally did not think about when I had the I-beams out. 👍
Huh, the tie rod thing is news to me. I'll have to consult the Fordification site and see what the gurus say. Thanks for the heads up!
Love the F100 videos, thank you!
About the only place that can adjust camber on these trucks (like if you want to lower em with shorter coils) is a alignment shop that does box trucks and larger. A lot of bigger trucks have used beam type with king pin suspensions and have the ability to bend beams.
Great show sir. 👍
Thank you!
Can you do a video on the brake lines modification, master cylinder and proportional valve needed along with the modifications needed on the rear brake lines to fully convert the F100 to a front disc brake system?
It will be part of the video series on the F100.
Good job. Thanks for the info on adjusting camber on these old trucks.
This is great....look forward to the next video on brakes
Thanks for the video, I've got a '67 F-100 w/ power drums and have a few questions:
1 - Are the radius arms and i-beams the same between 5th Gen (67-72) and 6th Gen (73-79)? If not, it seems the only benefit to getting a full 6th gen setup versus aftermarket spindles is just to avoid messing with the kingpins
2 - I see kits with supplied spindles as well as kits that use the drum spindles, any reason to avoid the latter other than risking your spindles might be toast?
3 - Proportional valve? I always thought needed for discs but a factory drum setup wouldn't have that
thanks
Please do the Kingpin video soon, my bearing surfaces are all scratched up. Keen to see how they are refreshed. Love the F100 content! Any chance of talking about Bumpside cabs on Dentside chassis?
Yeah, we can definitely look into that.
I have a 1972 f100 ranger xlt stock all brake drums, watching this videos makes me thing about swapping the front drums to rotors. Is the rotors the same bolt pattern as the rear axle bolt pattern????
An answer will be much appreciated. Please let me know, Thank you.
I was parts manager at a Ford dealership in the 90’s and we had some camber adjusters for twin I-beam suspensions, but I can’t remember the brand name. But an alignment specialty supplier might still offer something like it.
The later trucks had ball joints instead of king pins and you could set the caster and camber by changing bushings. Fixed and adjustable bushings are available. The older setup with king pins had no provision for adjustment.
it would be nice to speak on the master cylinder metering and what to look out for.
That's coming soon.
too cool. i love watching your vids
Thanks for this video Jeff, I have been waiting for a good how to on this. I am swapping a 76’ onto my 69’ and have discussed the subject on Fordification. Two quick questions for you:
1). I don’t have a lift in my shop, how else besides installing the assembly can I test the king pins?
2.) Is it possible to pull the king pins and just swap the spindles ?
Keep up the great work !
Not sure of a good way to be honest. You don't need a ton of weight, just enough to stabilize the arm and prevent movement. Broken down like we had ours, you can tell pretty quick if they are bad.
From what I've read you are better served using the arms that came with the spindles due to the changes Ford made in the steering stops.
I going to do that to my 65 FORD, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
You are very welcome.
Can you swap an 80s f150 I beam setup with ball joints to the older 60's and 70's trucks
I’m looking forward to a sway bar video. That’s something I’d like to add to my 74. She’s got a bit of roll to her around the corners lol
This one too. Like a ship in heavy seas.
@@AutoRestoMod I have 76 f100 setup under my 66 f100 I was able to find a sway bay and hardware replaced end links and it drives great.
Great video! I have a 65 F100 and I-Beams, Controller arms, spindles, and brakes. I already removed the kingpin and disassembled the rest because I am going to repaint everything. IIs it ok to use the same kingpin when I reassemble? Are you going to have a video on completing the brakes?
I would replace it.
Good morning sunshine you did it...
I know it is probably impossible for you to do 4wd, bit I have a 72 f100 with a dana 44 low pinion axle, I plan on doing disc brake conversion, so if you could possibly find at least a little info on what parts to use. forums get confusing by jumping all over the place and not giving a straight forward answer
More great information.
Thank you.
Ok I’ve gotten me a complete disc brake setup from a 73-79 f150. I got everything but the proportion valve. Is there a way to tell what year the setup is. I have DJM lowering ibeams on my 71 now and was wanting to make sure I get the correct king pins for the spindles. Also will need to get new calipers or atleast rebuild the one I have with the setup. My setup has the shields that have the vents.
Look for part numbers on the spindles.
How about the bushings at the little end of the beams? How to replace those?
We did a video on that.
Do u know if f-250 rotors will fit on f100 spindles . They did make f-250 with a single piston caliber.
www.fordification.com/tech/Ibeamsspindles.htm
Good read on F serise spindles.
Can’t wait till the install that’s what I’m wanting to do on my 71 short bed. One question why would anyone bend the radius arms I understand the I beams but my radius arms have been bent for some reason.
Possibly to correct a caster issue? One of the radius arms on the I-beams we have is bent at the bolt.
I have the camber problem on the passenger side only. Only about 10k miles on the kingpins.
Most big rig alignment shops can bend them. That's how they align most big rigs.
@@mattwalmer6162 thank you
1965 f100 here. Putting a chevelle conversion kit. I am sure I will need king pins
Any help would be great!!!
Will will look at doing the King pins on the I-Beams coming out of the F100.
I'm sure it slipped your mind but I'm sure you are going to replace all the rubber bushings or at least transfer them over from the current set cause I thought you put new on current setup
We didn't miss it, we'll hit that in the video on the sway bars.
I thoughty I heard you say Cam is in Quarenteen,is he 0kay? He is a nice guy I would hate to see him hurt by Covid 19.
Cam is fine we are practicing social distancing as requested by the Governor. He'll be back on soon.
I have a 1969 f250 camper with 360 a/t previous owner had autofab lift put in (bent I beams 5” , longer springs and aluminum blocks and longer u bolts inThe rear) I wanted to do a drum to disc conversion. Truck has brand new kingpins put in. Any suggestions on weather or not it can be done with the current height I beams?
If the beams are at correct ride height, it should be fine. All your camber is done with the beams, not the spindle. So brakes would not be an issue.
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Thanks I’ll have to look into finding either an aftermarket kit or a 72 or 73 disc set at a junk yard or online
Now you see way people put Crown Victoria front ends under those.
Eeeeeh not really. I am planning to do a video on that. I can see a reason for it...but not a fully compelling one.
Well if you want a car that looks like a truck then that's an option. But it's not really a truck anymore...
Almost anything is better then twin I beam, glad Ford went away from it.
@@classicstangbrn8964 engineering malice I call it
I was going to mention the eccentric bushings for alignment but I see someone already has. Don't know if they had them for the 70's models though.
I think they are for the '80s trucks.
You would think that with the popularity of the Crown Vic swap, these suspension assembles would be easier to come by.
Or harder...
@@AutoRestoMod
I should have been specific. The "original" twin I-Beam suspension assemblies that folks are removing to do CV swaps. Where are they all going when they put in the "today it's cool" Crown Vic subframes?
I have noticed the CV subframes climbing in cost and shrinking in budget availability.
Bushing replacement?
We did a video on that: th-cam.com/video/1QKTlTzrJ8E/w-d-xo.html
I kind of want to see a kingpin replacement, because.... Mine are shot on my 69'
We are looking at that.
Hey that’s my old truck you’re leaning on
Cool!
That looked like a hood for a 77-79 Continental Mark V leaning on that tree in the beginning.
can these disc brake transplants be installed on a 69?
Fordification has an awesome resource on this mod: www.fordification.com/tech/discbrakes01.htm
National parts depot is the absolute worst. Their customer service is absolutely horrid
You're thr one person that I've had say that...literally one person
Anyone got some for sell ?
Haha. Fixed the NPD audio...
Ford is batting a thousand when it comes to bad suspension design in the 60s. Sorry Ford guys but their suspension designs were pretty bad across the board for a very long time. I have one and I like some of the cars and trucks but they really left allot to be desired in the suspension area.
I haven't seen the I beam bender in a long time which is why many used a torch.
I guess 🤔
A+++ guys heck my 2005 Chevy bummer h2 has single piston callipers hydroboost silliness gross it need bigger more pistons shet my 1981 toyota has 4 piston callipers
Hey you want to trade that old Fairlane wagon off
Nope. Thanks for asking though.