Stearns & Foster Cassatt Ultra Plush Pillowtop - A 90-day review (and compared to Saatva Classic)
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- This is the long awaited review of the Ultra Plush Pillowtop Stearns & Foster King mattress, after 90-days of use.
This is an unaffiliated review. Just honest feedback.
I compare the mattress to the Saatva Classic 14.5" Plush Soft mattress reviewed here:
• Saatva Classic Review ...
You'll find a discussion of the mattress differences, the research and purchasing differences, and a direct 1-to-1 comparison.
PLUS: I give both mattresses letter grades! Woo!!
This is such a good video I just bought a mattress and it’s crazy how hard it is to find what your actually buying in them and when you ask around no one even knows anything about them this video is more useful then anything I’ve found
12/2021 MattFirm Sterns&Foster Cassatt Ultra Plush EPT Queen for $2,500. Mid-60 yo's side sleepers 240/170#. We originally ordered the Plush but due to a mix-up we got the Ultra Plush. We are very happy with it. Rotate it every 6-8 months. Love the coiled edge support as I sleep on the edge. Our hip and shoulder arthritis comes and goes, but not due to the mattress as this happens in vacations also. Acetamidine PM to the rescue. Obviously the center remains less used and hence is not as depressed. After 3 years, the top layers recover a good 90% plus after a full nights sleep. We use an adjustable base so a bit more flexing stress on the bed, but hasn't impacted the sleep quality. But now you can't find Ultra Plush anymore, and only Firm in Lux Estate EPT. Plush avail in the lower Estate series. What gives?
Chuck my wife and I were contemplating this exact decision. Thank you for the video! Super insightful, really appreciate it mate.
I’m looking to buy this S & F next year(2023). Could you provide an update on this mattress?
Thank you for the straightforward review! I've been searching for the right mattress for about a year. I'm a side sleeper with mid-back pain. The Saatva is on just about every best of list, so I thought it would be the one for me, but I found it super stiff just like you did. Even with a topper, I couldn't take it. Now, I'm on the Wink bed which is also on a lot of best of lists, but even though it's a smidge softer than the Saatva, it will be going back too, as I have a lot of pressure points on it. Now, I'm only looking at mattresses I can lay on first, and the Cassatt feels soooo good in the store. It's more expensive, so I'm really weighing it. If I get it, will update comment - comments really help me, so I hope this helps someone!
@1MJ981 I’m sorry to be replying so late! I missed the email somehow. I did have the plush soft Saatva and the “softer” Wink bed. Neither of them were soft enough for me. My friend has the luxury firm Saatva, and I really couldn’t tell much difference between his mattress and mine. I did end up buying the Stearns and Foster Cassatt plush pillowtop (I got a good deal on a floor model sale), and I’m happy with it. I don’t think any mattress is going to solve my back issues unfortunately, but I sleep well on this one. It’s got a great amount of cushioning, but my partner who doesn’t likes things as soft as I do says it’s not too soft. I hope you find or have found something great for you!
You never know where life may lead you! Thank you for this great quality review. It exceeded my expectations. I also value transparency while shopping!
Thank you for posting an honest mattress review. TH-cam is filled with so many sponsored mattress reviews, you have to search to find the real ones.
Thank you for this review. We have been searching for a soft mattresses & had been going around in circles because the mattress business can be very confusing today. We are definitely going to try out this mattress. Very informative. Much appreciated.
Thank you so much for your review! Absolutely honest. Hap just the same problem with my Sterns mattress. Had to do a lot of research before ordering mine.
Thank you for your real review. I just spent so much money.. my first real mattress. I'm a side sleeper. Hips, side of body, and shoulders are always sore now that I'm older Because most mattresses are too firm. I need to melt in the mattress, I need nothing firm based on my sleeping position. Soft and supportive is a type of mattress. Can't wait for them to deliver it.
The more feedback I see on these videos and the longer I have this mattress (6 months now), the more I am convinced this is THE mattress for side sleepers.
Thank you so very much for this review. My husband and I were debating between those two mattresses and this video has helped us in our decision.
Glad to hear that - I hope your choice works out!
Did you purchase the Cassatt?
Thanks Chuck! This is exactly what I was looking for. Stearns and Foster doesn't seem to offer the Ultra Plush in the Lux Estate Cassatt model. We plan to go with the plush PT and get an adjustable base from Mattress Firm. If you're still making videos and have the time, I'd love an update. Thanks again.
I do plan on doing a 24 month update this month on it. we have had quite some family/life things occur in the last 6 months, but now that I am free, I'll have it up soon. I hope your purchase worked out well!
My husband and I just bought the Stearns and Foster Cassatt king ultra plush pillow top. . Going on our 2nd night sleeping on it. After one night sleeping on it so far I am loving it.
Do you still like it?
Any update?
Thank you very much you helped me a lot after having two saatvas
Great review! I just purchased the St and Foster Cassatt Ultra Plush and am super excited to finally invest in a mattress that will help me get some good rest.
Love to hear after you have had it a bit what you think.
Do you like it?
@@amberhenson3589 Yes!!
I appreciate and saw your post today, Feb 1st, 2023
I decided to go with a Stearns & Foster, The Studio model. I have been trying to find a bed that will give me lower back support. Went from latex, to a purple, to an Intellibed, and not one gave me the support I am looking for. The Intellibed soft was a big mistake, I lay on this bed and feel the pain right away from lower back pain after having it for two years, today I am now going to try the Stearns & Foster Studio. My bed is a Twin XL does not mean a get a better price. I am praying tonight I will feel the support, the new bed will be a Medium Firm. Bought at Mattress Firm. Get 120 days to test it out. God Bless
I would of never considered this mattress, was going to go with the Saatva Plush, not now, going with the Sterns & Foster Cassatt Ultra Plush, ty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope it works out for you. We still love it a year in and looking to buy multiple more to outfit some business housing.
@@chuckjackson4487 Just got it delivered!!! paid 2700 for a king. Soooo comfortable!!!! You were right!!!
I found this review after buying my Saatva...i am returning it to buy the Sterns & Foster Cassatt Luxury Firm. Hands down, beautiful bed, comfy, sturdy. I'm paying 2.5 times more- also, getting the KING, just because it's so nice. Nice review. Thanks!
If you got this mattress already, can you give an update on how you like it? I am considering that exact mattress ATM.
I would also like to hear how the firm measures up.
@@chuckjackson4487 I have actually have not yet- about to buy a S & F. Luxury firmCassatt, they are on sale (-$400). I am deciding between the Cassatt and the Rockwell/reg price. I laid down on both- I don't think you could go wrong with either. The Rockwell is a bit more firm a 3, the Cassatt Luxury Firm is about a 4...both gorgeous and well-crafted;-)
I got the rockwell luxury firm(no pillow top). I am 2 weeks in- nice, may switch to luxury cassatt firm pillow top after trial. Top notch material, no smell, gorgeous look. No smell. And, I'm a smell phobe.
Yeah, sometimes the truth has to be sought and is not immediate. Thanks for your testimony.
Tom, mattress retail sales.
Great video Ty. We’ve been researching mattresses for weeks, (never knew there were so many mattress manufacturers) was considering buying the Saatva Plush and / or DreamCloud mattress but after your video changed our mind. Looking for “ultra plush” the softest on the market & your video convinced us to find a retail store to give Cassatt a try.
We wish you had mentioned the height of the mattress & IF it can be used on an adjustable frame. We are interested in the Saatva Lineal Adjustable Base for $2400 which is NOT returnable. While there are many adjustable bases Saatva is luxury & rated well.
Do you know if the Cassatt mattress can be used on the Saatva Lineal adjustable base because the height / flexibility matters. Kudos for video on a Plush Mattress!
Thanks! I can help a little with some of those questions. I should have mentioned in the video, that the Cassatt Ultra Plush is actually 16" think and the only one in that product line of that thickness. The other pillow tops at 15" and the non-pillow tops are even thinner. The S&F site shows this mattress on an adjustable base, but the S&F website is void of usable info.
When I was searching for a site that carried the mattress, I stumbled onto LivingSpace.com (for the store Living Spaces which has popped up in a lot of US metro areas in recent years). On that site, you can search for mattresses by brand that can be used on an adjustable base - this Cassatt Ultra-Plush DOES pop up in that search. Those two data points confirms to me that it can be used on an adjustable base.
That said, I am not able to confirm if the Saatva Lineal could be used, but when I look at pictures of the Lineal and the S&F adjustable base, they look almost identical in where the pivot points are, so my instinct tells me it should work - but being non-refundable would scare me a bit. Also, the Lineal weight limit is 850 lbs., the Cassatt King Ultra-Plush weighs 208 lbs., leaving you with 602 lbs. to play with. I can't find anything on the Lineal regarding mattress thickness, only that it works with any mattress built to be used with an adjustable, and the Cassatt appears to be one. The Lineal documentation says it works best with their 11.5" mattresses, that makes sense since thinner allows for more range in adjusting - I don't think that is an indictment on any maximum thickness.
Good luck!
It is awesome. Installation went great. The guys we're knowledgeable and very polite. Sleeping great 👍
After 120 days on the S&F Pollock Hybrid I’m exchanging it for a Cassatt Ultra Plush. Thanx for your great vid.
Just curious why you switched and if you like the Cassatt. I was debating between the ultra plush pollock and the ultra plush Cassatt. Was concerned about the pollock sleeping too hot.
Did you have the Lux Estate Hybrid Pollock ULTRA plush and it wasn’t soft enough??
No…it’s a hybrid so I think the tempurpedic component is what made it too firm for me. I don’t know what’s going on but I’m really not that fond of the Cassatt Ultra plush either. Just not meshing yet.
Hey great video I have one myself love it gives all the support while still feeling very plush I work at a mattress firm and if you needed help with more S&F we have a few selection with a very high stock count
Great job. I have the Stefan’s and foster silver dream and trying to decide if I should stick with them as there have been a lot of sagging issues lately.
Chuck, Great video. I was sold but a year later its not availiable. Now You can buy online like the rest and a call to sales just tries to push you into 6300.00 mattress. So they said the Lux Estate pt Soft would compare at 3899.00 Can you look at the sight and see if thats what you think?
Just bought one. It will be delivered in a couple weeks. I'll let you know how we do. We have a Simmons so it has some big shoes to fill.
I'm dying to know - how did it turn out?
Do you like it?
Hey cmon don't leave us hanging
Hi!! Thanks for the review!! I am a side and back sleeper. Do you think this mattress will be good for back sleepers also? Are you and your wife still loving it? No sagging? Thank you!!
Sorry for the delay...missed the notifications...Anyway, my wife does more back sleeping when she is comfortable and she spends the majority of most nights on her back in this mattress. That tells me it must be.
Its crazy youd think Satva is a soft mattress if you ever tried it before buying. The latex layering is a firmer feeling material so it should be an entirely different scale. Im a stomach sleeper so these latex topped beds are a dream. The Sterns foam beds is like sinking 3 inches into foam which is definitely what you seemed to be looking for. Glad you found what you wanted.
Chuck , now that you've had the mattress for a few months how do you find it in terms of coolness i.e. heat retention. This is a mattresse with some memory foam in it which is notorious for retaining body heat. Plus the fact that it is ultra plush and envelops more.
Also , how do you find the mattress in terms of being able to change positions ...does the plushness inhibit moving freely ?
Good questions. We are now 6 months in and I can say this about the heat: The heat is very well distributed. What I mean by that is, on my son's memory foam mattress, which used to be a guest room mattress, it gets hot and stays hot in the place you are laying, and stays cool to the touch everywhere. This S&F seems to radiate that body heat further out, so there is more of a gradient in heat as you move further from your original spot. Also, I sleep super hot, and I have not had a single night where my body temperature woke me up since getting it. That used to happen a few times a month with the old S&F we replaced. Can't say for sure why, but I suspect the materials are layered in a way to work like Under Armour, or sweat-wicking clothing. As I heat up, the mattress just pulls the heat away. At least that's what I "feel" like is happening.
6 months in and I don't find much in the way of movement restriction. In the first few weeks, I felt like a new hump was growing, but honestly, it is such a minor hump, that the occasional snuggle session on the hump flattens this bad boy out.
@@chuckjackson4487 Hi Chuck, thanks again for some very valuable info. The problem I face now is can't get the Cassat mattress where i am in Canada. The way S&F cleverly does it , in the usa too it seems, is that EACH f'n store or chain of stores has different names for their S&F mattresses . That way you cannot price compare or see reviews since the Crestone will have different name whether you buy it at the Hudson Bay or at Sleep Country. There oughta be a law against that.
Check Costco Kirkland signature mattress by stearns and foster, should be similar
I having been interested in the Saavta for quiet some time. Now I have started looking at the Sterns and Foster. I am leaning more to the Sterns & Foster now. I need a very plush mattress. I have neuropathy, sciatic, hip and shoulder pain. I never get a good nights sleep. The prices of these mattresses are unbelievable especially when it’s a one income family. Hopefully in the future I will be able to swing away to purchase the Sterns.
Hi Gina! I tried the plush soft Saatva, and it wasn’t at all soft enough for me. I even contacted the company to see if they mistakenly sent me the firm option. I know mattresses are subjective, but I don’t see how the Saatva is on so many “best of” lists for back pain. I have a lot of back and shoulder pain too. I ended up getting a really good deal on a Stearns and Foster because a local mattress store was selling the floor model. That seems to happen a lot in my area, so maybe that’s something to check out. Of course that meant I couldn’t return it, but the store said that if I were really unhappy to let them know, and they’d see what they could do. Luckily, I’m happy with it. I hope you find something you like too!
Oh, you might also consider the Simmons Beautyrest Harmony Lux ultra plush since you said you want something really soft. I tried it for 6 months, and it was the plushest I’ve ever tried, but maybe just a little too plush and sinky for me. They were great about the return and have a lot of sales through the year, so it might be something to try.
Correction to what was presented in this video. Stearns and Foster can be purchased on-line. We just put an order in for the Cassatt plush pillow-top at US-Mattress website who will deliver your mattress at no cost and offers set up and take away of your old mattress also at no additional cost. There may be other internet retailers, but these folks were the ones who happened to offer the best pricing for me.
It would be great to do a side-by-side review/comparison between the SF Ultra Plush and Plush pillow-top. I see that the comfort level for the Plush was a tad higher than the ultra-plus. The memory foam and other foam thickness appears to differ between the two.
Finally, Chuck - regarding your 1am wake-up calls. Get yourself supplemented on Prostate SR and also get Pumpkin-seed oil capsules. The prostate isn't going to get better as you get older, but I can tell you that you'll sleep through the night on these supplements. It's just a thing brother. Good video.
Correct, the mattress can be purchased online, the point I was hoping to make was that it can't be purchased online directly from the manufacturer Stearns & Foster website, which probably impacts the lack of information on the mattress on the site.
Thanks for the recommendations, no pun intended, but maybe I'll get my old ass in gear...
Did you get the Cassatt and how do you like it?
@@amberhenson3589 We did get the Plush Cassatt and we do like it well-enough but we are most likely going to take advantage of the 90 day exchange policy and swap it for the ultra-plus cassatt. The plush was much better than the foam mattress that we had and do not regret buying it at all. But, the ultra-plus, which we were able to go try out at another local store, feels even better so we're going to go for that one instead.
@@jeffwise6398 I ordered the ultra plush Cassatt a week ago from US mattress as well. I was debating between that and the pollock hybrid, but was afraid the hybrid would sleep hot.
For the 90 day exchange through US mattress, do you pay a fee and restocking fee to exchange?
@@amberhenson3589 i think its a 90 day exchange policy and there is a fee of $100 to do the exchange.
The problems with Stearns and Foster come out especially after a couple years , not after 90 days . Many reviews and reliable sites discuss this. Problems with durability and sagging...i took note of what you said at 25:25 re:pitting , already. Anyways, would be cool if you could give a follow-up after 12-18-24 mths. I was gonna put out $4000 a couple days ago for S&F Crestone in Canada but decided to read some sites like Sleep Like the Dead etc...wow lowest satisfaction scale... 62%. A store in Mtl. tells me he hasn.t stocked SF
3-4 yrs. becuz quality down. Yes, the name S&F has been around since 1842 or something but it's been bought over by TempurSealy for a while now. This mattress has a considerable amount of memory foam now. Take note : memory foam has only been around since the 60's and not in mattresses for quite after the 60's. What did Stearns and Foster have in their mattresses before that ? Probably natural products like wool, horsehair , alpaca etc. like the the really expensive mattresses out there are still doing (Hypnos, Glencraft etc...)
I can say this, 6 months in, that initial pitting/sagging stopped almost immediately - I was really surprised honestly. It's almost like buying a new pair of jeans (not stretchy jeans) and they conform a little and stay that way long term.
Some of what you share makes me wonder how much region plays into the research process and the sales stock. Believe it or not, I have never even heard of sleeplikethedead.com - so I looked it up directly and took a look. It's a busy site, so maybe this exists, but I couldn't find it. I would love to know what the sample size is for each of the different categories and brands. A little transparency on that would be helpful in backing up their seemingly "by the data" approach. But, yeah, had I seen this site, I probably would have been more hesitant than I was. But as example, Saatva comes in at 81 vs. the S&F 62, but is you summarize the lowest rating areas, S&F is big, heavy, people sink into it, and can't get out - otherwise it is all B's and up. Saatva on the other hand is heavy, has poor marketing materials, and real reviews are hard to come by.
Honestly, I would have though poor marketing and hidden reviews would have been a S&F low rating, not Saatva. Shows what I know...
@@chuckjackson4487 how is your S&F doing now? I just started working for a place that sells S&F and I want to make sure I’m recommending a good quality mattress to my customers.
Tempur-pedic lasts longer, according to my training (15-20 years), whereas S&F should last 10-12. That’s what they claim. I don’t know how accurate that is.
I assume that the memory foam topper is going to help with the longevity though.
Three years ago I finally replaced my Stearns and Foster Supreme Correct Comfort. It was 40 years old. Had 4 twin sizes. bought at different times. but slept on only one. Extremely firm which is what I love, despite being mostly a side sleeper. Probably should have gotten rid of it after 35 years, purchased in early 80's. Firmest mattress on market then and set (with box spring--twin) was in 1981? 1982? $800. But I bought them all at different dates at Macy's Furniture CLearance Outlet on Long Island. LET THAT SINK IN 40 YEARS, OK, LET'S BE REAL AND SAY 35). That was the quality back then. I have no idea what warranty was , since I purchased at the clearance center and never interacted with the company. Btw, S & F no longer makes twin, rather only twin XL. I also just read that they were bought by another well known brand?? forgot, think Sealys posturepedic., few years ago.
Replaced with a Saatva Classic, Firm, which is the firmest of the classics despite confusing nomenclature, It is rated 8 for firmness. Not as firm. and after 3+ years some sagging in the middle. Can't be flipped. I am (or was) normal weight approx 130 most of those years.
To be clear I like everything about Saatva, it is a quality mattress, thinking of checking out the Brooklyn Bedding Plank, but per videos, looks like it depresses with pressure. I want a mattress that I lie on top of.
We just got our Cassat Ultra plush pillow top delivered today. I have not slept on it yet but the mattress feels really hard did it soften up over time. It does not feel ultra plush at all
In hindsight, I recall having a similar impression, but I think it was just the memory foam stiffness. Not 10 minutes into laying on it did I start feeling it conform and now that we are nearly a year in, I can say, I never wake up with pains because it is too firm, but the areas that never get use, the pillowtop still has a bit if stiffness. I think the key here is that everything below the pillowtop, at least in our case, is what makes the mattress soft. It feels like the whole mattress gives, whereas many others I have slept on feel like the pillowtop gives, but the rest of the mattress won't budge. I hope it works out for you!
Do you like it?
I’ve been looking for soft but not hot like all the memory foam mattresses I have ordered. I tried Saatva and I’ve been sore or having numbness. I tried memory foam on top but way too hot. How hot does the mattress sleep in the Stearns and Foster?
I know this response is late, but I can say the mattress isn't the thing that gets me hot very often. The comforters, dogs, and cats do though.
Are you a hot sleeper? I’ve had a Tempur Pedic medium hybrid for about 2 months and it can become a furnace with that memory foam so I was thinking of swapping out to a stearns and foster.
I have a 2009 Sterns and Foster Blisswood
Luxury Plush Euro Pillow. This mattress has no sag. Still very comfortable in California King. I'm looking to see if they still make these but can't find information. The reason is the top part of Mattress is stained from kids. In less there's a way to clean it without ruin the mattress
My search on the interwebs tells me the Addison Grace is the closest comp, but it's starting to look that that is actually on the way out as we speak. I hopped on a customer service chat with a local store in my area and the rep told me the Hurston is the closest comp to the Addison Grace. Don't know if that helps, since its all a bunch of "maybes", but may be a starting point. Good luck!
@@chuckjackson4487 thanks for your work
THAT IS WHAT I DISLIKE ABOUT A SUPPOSEDLY UPGRADE (TV'S, PHONES, APPLIANCES, ETC), THEY ALWAYS TAKE AWAY SOMETHING YOU L💞VED & USED ❕⭕⭕
Do you still love your Sterns and foster cassatt mattress, I'm thinking of getting it.
I have the polluck luxury ultra plush. Just received my delivery. I have a high hump on the right side. Maybe due to handling during delivery.. or the 2 delivery guys getting it up the stairs to my bedroom. Heavy mattress, I saw the struggle. they said mattress is 400 pounds. The store said, the mattress will level and flatten out within 72hours. This isn't a pop up bed 🤣 but okay I'll wait the 72hours.
I'm interested in knowing - did that hump ever go away?
How does it feel when you sleep on your side. Do your hips sink in curving your back? Since it has been a year are there any divots?
This review is an A++ but I need an update on this mattress plz 🥺🥺🥺🥺
what is the return policy on the mattress? great helpful video. ...from Scottsdale, AZ
When I was searching for it, I found that S&F doesn't have a return policy (because you can't buy directly from them). The return policy will be dependent on the retailer. I can say, I bought from a NY located regional furniture store Raymour and Flannigan - I got a 45 day return period, but only if I used a mattress cover.
In AZ (I spent 15 years there and just came back to NY in 2018), if memory serves, Mattress Firm has one of the better policies, but it is for exchange only I believe and you have to keep it 21 days (but they give you up to 120 to exchange). I hear rumor Living Spaces carry this line of S&F, but I can't validate it. Allegedly they have a decent return/exchange policy.
@@chuckjackson4487 our local mattress firm gave us 120 days to return for full price
I bought a tempur pedic Lux adapt soft and I paid $4534.92 then I bought the adjustable base that cost me $1812.00 I must say it’s amazing how much comfort I receive from this bed the cost is a lot of money but I would buy this bed over and over again the main reason why I went with the tempur pedic was because of the warranty most mattresses require a sag of 1.5 inches where tempur pedic requires .75 or 3/4 of inch of sag in order to be replaced under warranty the only thing about the warranty with tempur pedic is in order to get the warranty covered you have to use either an adjustable base or flat platform base that tempur pedic recommends if I had to give this bed a number of how soft it is 1 being firm and 10 being soft I would put this bed at a 8 .
I'm so sad they don't make this mattress anymore 😪 I want the softest possible mattress. It's really hard to find an ultra-plush pillow top.
I've had 2 spine surgeries and have an implanted pain pump The pain pump is like having a hard hockey-puck device in my lower left abdomen. The mattress I have now is pretty old and it just kills me. I have a lot of pain and trouble sleeping. I'm looking for a very soft mattress thaf is adjustable and has an adjustable base. I've been looking at the Saatva Solaire mattress with the adjustable base. Do you know anything about that one or anyone that's tried it? One thing that bothers me is that the adjustable base isn't returnable like the mattress. I'm going to have to check out the one you bought at a mattress store as an alternative also. I'm just sick of not being able to sleep well and being in a lot more pain because of the old mattress I have, so I need to figure something out. How is the Stearns & Foster as far as coolness / breathability? Do you know if it can be purchased with an adjustable base / extra features?
Toppers
Pillow or Euro
However, you also have a tight top. Meaning there is no topper at all.
Mattress smell
Saatva is new construction when ordered.
Sterns and foster are pre- manufactured.
Which allows more time for off gassing.
Question
I thought you had stated you already had a base or foundation that reduced down from a king to a queen tgey for did not purchase a new one.
Foundation or boxspring is important to the type of mattress.
I think size difference does come into play as well due to distribution of weight.
Do you have the “Dreaded Butt Sag” yet? About to purchase the mattress today based on this review!
27ish months in and although you can tell where our bodies lie and spend the most time, it is obvious it is only compression of the pillow top and not the structural parts. i will be doing a 2 year video this weekend and will have pics.
Thank you! I purchased the same bed last night online. Looking forward to the video.
is the Sterns mattress good for bad backs too? I want plush pillow top, but I want some support too. I am a 100% side sleeper.
I can't say 100% for certain, but I am doing a 24 month review this month, and last March I got a bulging disc causing sciatica pain and the only time I felt good ever was on my left side on this mattress (or periodically, laying flat on my back on the floor). So, it did work for me for a spell. But, don't take that as medical advice, I know, even without back issues, any mattress could be the worst mattress for someone, when it is the best for another. I wish you luck!
Stearns and Foster is the Best you can get especially the pillow top it's super high Quality
Do u still like it after having it awhile
Help me. Please how is your review after the fact.? I want to know if you’re happy? With your stearns and foster? Is it sagging? On that ultra plush?
Hi Jamie - I apologize I am just seeing this months later, but I will be posting a 24 month review this month. It was delayed because we had a family illness and cross country move. But the review will focus on the minimal sagging (of course, I am 230 lbs, so my side is a little more worn than my wife's, but it hasn't played any role in decreasing the support and comfort), the still consistent softness of both materials and support mechanism, and the lack of pain in the morning. I'll have some pictures up to show how it looks after 2 years.
How do you feel about this mattress now?
I have been planning an update video for a couple months but just keep putting it off - that said, still love it. A year in, there is a little "pitting" on my side (250 lbs.), but only noticeable when you are evaluating for it, otherwise, don't even notice. Would make the purchase again. On a side note, through my business, I am looking to procure some corporate housing for my staff in a couple different states and I plan to outfit all of them with these mattresses (maybe not ultra plush, but the next step or two firmer - medium maybe). I feel the sleep one would get is worth buying these instead of junk - it is after all about productivity and a good night sleep while traveling is good for that.
It's really crappy that the most of the reviewers review 99% of bed in boxes with the 1% being the Saatva. I learned the hard way after getting a Nolah which was rated best for side sleepers by every mattress review on youtube, 4 years later I'm still waiting for it to soften but it's not going to happen. I'll be heading into the stores to try out beds, learned my lesson. These reviewers never review Beautyrest, Sterns and Foster, Aireloom or any other luxury brands.
I agree, you can't go wrong with an authentic Sterns & Foster, but you will break the bank. Majority of Saatva reviews online are sponsored and not reliable.
Just turned 50, Just bought a Hurston 😴😎
I just got the Cassatt Plush mattress and it’s firmer than I was thinking. Salesman said Ultra Plush is like a marshmallow and too soft for everyone he sold it to. Couldn’t test it. Is he exaggerating?
Personal preference aside, I have not felt a softer mattress than the Ultra Plush Cassatt. There was a commenter on one of my videos that insisted there was a softer S&F, but I can't recall what the model name was and couldn't validate the statement. I can attest that we are happy over a year later and have no complaints. Marshmallow - not sure about that, but I never have aches and pains after a full night sleep.
Isn’t the Lux Estate Hybrid Ultra Plush softer than the Cassatt?? Oh I don’t see an Ultra Plush version of Cassatt to try where I live. So far have only seen a plush, not ultra…
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i understand the way stern & foster does it actually. I refuse to buy a matress without laying on it & this new school trend of bed in a box/ordering online I just cant do that garbage & im a 27 year old that lives on the internet lol. Im too scared of ordering cause dont want to return & end up with no matress at all. im 6'4 280lbs i cant play with these weak baby matresses made for 150lb people. And by making you actually see it in person they can probably get a better target on customers that actually like their product vs some guy that just buys it on the internet. not to mention shipping/logistic less places for them to ship to. Btw I just ordered the Casatt Plush today they bring it in 2 days im so excited to see what its like lol. decided to look matress up before delivery, how is your , matress holding up Chuck Jackson? I got Plush cause dont want it too soft could possibly lead to sinking, that was my theory in the store
how's it holding up?
@@3pIcenTer great so far, but, it’s only two-3 months old. Only time will tell. I did not realize exactly how tall this mattress really is because the bed in the store was very low, my bed is slightly taller but when they brought it home it looked hilariously tall against my headboard lol. But I’ve gotten use to it, im satisfied personally
I done a lot of homework and tried Dreamcloud, Kingsdown, Temperpidic, and yes all the series of Stearns and Foster. I would not compare this to a Saatva. They really not even close quality and category. Even if they have inner springs and memory firm. I would compare SF to Kingsdown or Airloom. can tell you one thing you got wrong is the mircro coils aren't on all the Cassett or Lux estate editions. It's only added to the Lux estate hybrid Pollock edition. So your plush PT has just more of that HD memory form vs say the plush in regular Rockwell estate version. And it has the Casset has the nice Velvet handle touches, the better and more core coil alignments etc. But not all has micro coils. The SF has now updated their website to show this and all the missing cross sections since your review. I don't know if you a side sleeper but I would not get a Plush PT of you are combo sleeper like myself. I found that the Casset is good for me who is side sleeper and back. My wife weight is light so she likes it firm so the firm PT Casset was good compromise for us. Btw, more plush doesn't equates to more comfort level. We can afford the Reserve but felt that woild be too mushmellow of a bed thay won't give the proper support we need. Also the more you weigh, sometimes the beds does a better support even in a medium firm which could feel better vs going all plush which loses the support. I would not go with Saatva. They are online only for a reason. They are like Dreamcloud on marketing heavy but over time, their walls and material will break easy. Sagging is what all mattresses do over time. A new bed will take time to break in like new shoes. Sometimes more than a year. I don't expect ten years on a bed. I like to get a good 5 to 6 years max. Bed really should not be kept over ten years. Like a pillow, you don't wash them, so your want to continue with something you lay down each night after a decade?
Did you try the Hepburn firm? That’s the one I’m considering.
How's it holding up?
Very well - I will be posting a 24 month review this month - meant to do one at 18 months, but illness and a cross country moved delayed that.
Concern here. S & F only shows its known-for components on its website, and does not reveal actual materials nor engineering. So what are you actually sleeping on? The lack of transparency does not sit well with me.
The S&F site leaves a lot to be desired. That said, I didn't find any reports that would make me think they used materials that are out of line in the industry. You can find their CPSIA certificate showing the codes of the products they use and that they pass flammability tests - although lots of things we shouldn't be rolling around on would pass - and being honest, I don't know how to track those products down. The mattress tag does include all the ingredients, but I'm not a chemist, so I'm not confident what many of the ingredients are. That said, everything else in we ingest or use is already killing us to some level, at least this mattress will give me a comfortable death.
Bought a Saatva Plush few years back and it was fuken firm. I cant imagine how firm the “luxury firm” is. Probably feels like a solid rock. Had to get a tempurpedic matress topper. Dont buy Saatva.
I concur...I have not laid on a firm Saatva, but if the plush was any example, I bet the firm is no bueno.
Hi! is it hard to move in the bed bcuz of the softness? (stearn&foster)
Great questions. With the new one, the softness didn't play a part in moving it around, but the weight did. The weight is substantial and me being a rather big, strong guy had my moments of trying to pivot (Friends reference) an immovable object (heavy Stearns & Foster). With a boost from the kids though, it got where we needed and the shape had not changed.
That said, the older one we replaced, by the time we moved cross country in 2018, had a major "tacoing" issue. That one would fold in half if you looked at it wrong, which wasn't a "bad" thing for us, because the rental we had when we got to NY from AZ was an old build and a king size 16" mattress never would have made it through the narrow stairwell without folding.
If we had bought this mattress in that rental, we would be sleeping in the living room. Also, the tacoing did not appear to negatively impact the quality of the old one, but we only had it taco twice before getting rid of it - no idea what the effect would be if it happened frequently (think twice a year for multiple years).
@@chuckjackson4487 i think the O.P. meant is it hard to move IN the bed, given the softness ?
Hello! Please help? I just put down a deposit on an S&F, Luxury Estate, Plush, PT. (not super plush). Those are the specs I believe. Display model was discounted to 1500. After a few hours of negotiating I am paying $950 after tax. I know you said yours is the ultra plush? Anyway I can still back out but I am commenting to ask if I can trouble you for a quick update. Still going strong? I heard online about sagging. I am only 150 lbs, 6'1" so I doubt that'll be as much of a problem for me as others. It's a queen. The bed is just for me, I'm a caregiver to my parents and I need something great to help my back. I had bought a nectar and I am returning it. Absolutely horridly inconsistent. Everything from the temperature in the room to how long you spend sleeping in it and how much you can step all over it to break it in... SO many factors, no I am not gonna science out to make do for a bed I pay 1500 bucks for that's ridiculous. People saying "Oh break them in for 3-6 months". Break them in with my body? The bed is also breaking me in, hello? It's Hard as a brick when it's 65 degrees in here, then gets weirdly soft when its 75+ in here. Anyway thank you! :D Lol
Hopefully this gives younsome piece of mind. If I could attach a pic here, I could show how much sagging/pitting there is. To be honest, it is visible and although not huge, it would probably turn some people off. I understand though, that it is expectes when you lay a 6 foot weight on it in the same spot for 1/3 of every day for 18 months.
The truth is, yes, there are some human size divots in mine. But nothing that worries me and nothing that changes the performance. I am double the weight of my wife and mine is clearly deeper than hers.
All that said, I would make the purchase again in a heart beat.
I agree with you that the idea that you need to "break it in" over months is fairly ludicrous. Beds with break in by being used. The question is, at which point did it become comfortable and how long did it last after. Mine was comfortable immediately and has lasted the 18 months I've had it.
@@chuckjackson4487 Does give me peace of mind. Because I've had plenty of beds that developed a bit of a dent in them over time but if they were comfortable before the dent they stayed comfortable after. Plus being 150 lbs, more widely distributed due to height, I think it'll be less of an issue for me as maybe a person shorter and 200+ or such. Thanks a lot!
How big are you? Weight and height please.
anything new to report?
The Stearns & Foster pillow top ultra plush is a lumpy piece of garbage. My husband and I both sink into this bed even though we are of average height and weight. If you get too close to the edge you feel like you’re going to fall off. It has absolutely no support so every morning we wake up neck and back pain. The stitching around the bed is also uneven. On one end of the bed there is no gap between the mattress and the pillow top. On the other end of the bed there is a 2 to 3 inch gap between the mattress and the pillow top. The quality control is nonexistent on this product. This is an epic fail for Stearns & Foster.
That sounds just awful. While that is not my experience with either this new S&F or our old one, that doesn't mean others won't have just the complete opposite experience (just like the Saatva - we HATED it, but others absolutely love it). I will say this - based on the way you describe the craftmanship, or lack thereof, I have to think you are right and got the lumpy piece of garbage that wasn't quality controlled.
I certainly can't attest to the manufacturing QC nor that manufacturer as a company, but it sounds to me like you've got a legitimate gripe with that company that you should contact them about - maybe it's too old now and maybe it doesn't work (maybe you have and they weren't receptive), but the description alone of the uneven stitching and pillowtop construction tells me a fist-waving is due.
I wish you luck with getting it replaced, returned, or with a new purchase is that is what happens.
@@chuckjackson4487 We are in the process of replacing the mattress. The 30 days we had to wait to replace it couldn’t have come any earlier. Thanks.
@@Jack-2017 Are you replacing it with another brand?
@@videosabia No. We replaced it with Stearns & Foster FIRM pillow top. We haven’t had any back issues since we replaced the ultra plush pillow top.
Sounds like a DEFECTIVE MATTRESS 🤔🤔
There is no comparison between a saavta and SF. Its like a pinto vs Mercedes-Benz. Come on. Satavva need not even try to compete.
Informative, but i highly suggest you make a script and stick to it.
+1... Who does this clown think he is, rambling on like he's never sat down and spoke into a camera before.
Talk a little faster.. Would be great.. A little slow..
OMG! I had to give up after 13 minutes of blah blah blah! Does he ever get around to anything relevant about mattresses if you stick to the end? Interested in the mattress comparison, not where you met your wife, how long you lived in Phoenix, etc. Gees! Learn to edit and make your point!
I might re-record this and add a few extra minutes of "um" and "like", maybe some distractions and a few dogs barking. I've been making TH-cam videos for 13 years, over 10,000 hours recorded - I'm a pro.
Oh, wait, I had, um, like, 3 hours of video experience ever in my life when I made this.
I offer a world's of apologies for wasting so much of your precious time with my novice-ness. But, just a note, like, um, for real...you don't have to stick around watching and if you were really worried about your time being wasted, you wouldn't have commented. Although it was such a wonderfully crafted and helpful bit of feedback.
I'm trying to think of some more stuff I could write in hopes that you get around to reading this. I know you have no self-control and would need to read all the way to the end, just to be able to provide additional comment.
A little blah, blah, blah if you will. I was impressed though that in that 13 minutes you watched, you managed to absorb so much of my story, noting where I met my wife and the time we lived in Phoenix. I am appreciative of that level of interest in my professional video making and life's story.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your efforts in making my world so much better!