Fairy Type RUINED Ice Type...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มิ.ย. 2024
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The opening of this goes so hard
Bro I'm on the WAR PATH
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I just love ice moves as a category in any RPG. The fact that ice types suck so much in Pokemon is depressing
Unrelated excellent point.
I think that ice should resist just like, one more thing. I get it's meant to be the glass cannon type but as of right now it's way too much glass and not nearly enough cannon, y'feel?
Totally!!! I'm fine with it being the glass cannon role, but after all the power creep they're more like a glass napkin
I feel like ice and water should both resist each other
Ur rage is literally how I feel about bug type. JUSTICE FOR ALL THE ICY LITTLE GUYS AND THE BUGGY LITTLE GUYS!!
A fellow bug defender! Good to see there are great people out there!
Honestly, the majority of my favorite Pokémon are partially bug. I'm a sucker for a little goober
Ice and bug should resist fairy, but the bugs take it one step further and destroy fairy.
Bug may have started bad even then you had Scyther & Pinsir from the start. Gen 2 evolved the former into 1 of the most popular species in the series & gave it a new rival in Heracross. The Bug Type just kept getting more viable & if Beedrill were Flying instead of Poison it would have been Sabrina's weakness in Gen 1 thanks to Twin Needle.
In gen 8 I hit top 500 on smogon ladder with a team 4 ice types. One of them was Vanilluxe and I’m not joking
Well that makes you my damn hero. 18/10
eiscue is a penguin
JUSTICE FOR CREAMTOWN!!!
Always
Ice is such a fun type to use, and it's got a ton of the unique mechanics that can help a type thrive, like its own status and weather.
Frankly, I don't think removing one of its weaknesses would be a good change, it would actually be too powerful if it lost its Steel or Rock weaknesses. What I would like to see is maybe it resisting another type, or even two more.
My personal pick would be Ground, though I think Grass would be much more thematically fitting. As it stands, Ice just has no defensive strengths (resisting only itself is ridiculous), and it's really only useful in move coverage on non-ice types.
This is a bangin take. And you make a good point with Hail and Freeze.
Make fairy week to ice and ice resist fairy. Have ice just be neutral to water because yes it freezes it, but does freezing water really hurt the water? But have ice resist water. Keep the rock weakness because I like that they are both weak to each other. I think that’s a better balance for all types involved
Rock isn't weak to ice, but other than that, solid take. And given that rock SHOULD be weak to ice, solid 9/10
@@WobbleHawk you right lol, my bad. Meant that in regards to you saying ice should be strong against rock. But it does not read that way 😅
@@noahbias4002 Based. Based as hell
I still really dislike that Ice is basically pigeonholed into being a glass cannon type when the fighting type exists and it gets 5 super eff coverage instead of ice's 4 and is actually a good defense type with only 2 weaknesses and 3 resistance, meanwhile Ice types get the single worst defensive type bar none.
Fighting has 3 weaknesses, Psychic, Flying, and Fairy
God, thank you for saying Ice should be good against Water. I love Water types but it makes too much sense to have Ice be super effective against it.
Honestly I think ice and water should be super effective against each other, but the ramifications on that balance-wise might be a little crazy. Same thing goes for Ice and Fire but now I’m just coping lol
What about the move Freeze Dry?
@@darkdragon7210 Easy. Freeze dry becomes an automatic freeze move against specifically water types
@@WobbleHawk Which Water Types though? Cause Freeze Dry has its own Unique Type Chart!
Ice should have been Super effective against water from the start, (Freeze dry is just a mockery of that fact). Ice should have also resisted Bug, Grass, and Flying moves.
There’s no reason to give ice type so many weaknesses and how it’s offensives done far better by other types in the game.
The imbalance here is laughable.
Bro HARD agree
There is an igloo called Alolan Sandshrew. Also the best way to make Ice Types cool again would be a regional ice type Charmander with a Freeze Burn Move & Cold Fire Aesthetic. Also Vanillite Family is extremely cute & my fav Sinnoh Girl specializes in the ice type.
As anice type enjoyer i still must disagree here a bit. The thing is, if you consider actual performance of ice types in years right before introducton of fairies was abysmal, and 90% of time you had ice coverege move on actual good type pokemon like water, and even then in competitive Draco Meteor spam and dragons in general where unstoppoble, ice types where so bad that even in a time where dragons everywhere ice type was nowhere to be seen (besides mamoswine sometimes)
They instead fixed ice type in Gen 9 with reworked hail and new strong ice types
I think they're STARTED to fix ice type, but I still think it needs some work.
You definitely right on the ice type thing but it's not only ice type bug type definitely needs of some help too.
11:40 competitively in gen 5 that was the exact problem, people were stacking their teams with dragon types because they were really strong and countered other dragon types and the existing Ice types were completely unable to keep them in check, thus leading to the reason why fairy type exist.
Technically Ice should be resisted against the Dragon.
Ice and Fire are now Neutral
Ice is now immune to Water
Ice doesn't need offensive buffs as another part of the problem is how widespread availability of Ice moves are on other types it makes Ice Pokemon not really worth it when compared to Fairy where the good moves are very limited in availability outside of Pokemon of the type
The main problem with Ice types are tye Pokemon themselves and how Ice types really only work as either Sweepers or Fast supports but they KEEP trying to make them tanks which the type just CAN'T do, their usability would skyrocket if they just kept them to the classes that work
YESSS! I LOVEE ICE TYPES SM, THEY DESERVE BETTER
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I agree that Ice type needs above but I'm not sure what are those are the right balancing reason.
Make Ice Type Resist Flying, Fairy, Bug, & Dragon!
Make Ice & Water Resist each other kinda like Bug & Fighting Types!
What Type should Ice be Immune to if any?
This take slaps hard. Honestly, I might make an argument for ice/water being another normal/ghost. Counter immunities.
@@WobbleHawk Oh that's even Better!!! Them being Immune to each other!!!
Make the sound type.
Sound can reaist and be aupereffective on fairy, and ice can resist fairy and sound.
I don't see how those type interactions make sense, but from a balance standpoint I think you're spot on
I used to be a supporter of adding the Sound type to the games. There are some reasons why I don't think it's possible anymore. I'll try to not make my comment too long because I've thought about this for a while after having seen numerous videos on this idea. If you want me to go more in-depth, please ask.
1) They would have to take into account the Soundproof ability when figuring out how a hypothetical Sound type would interact with the current type chart. The earliest a Sound type could've been realistically introduced is Gen 3, debatably Gen 2. While the first sound-based attack was introduced in Gen 2(Snore, a move that at the time was a 40 base-power attack but later became a 50 base-power move), the first sound-based attacks that weren't dependent on the user being asleep were introduced in Gen 3(Uproar and Hyper Voice). It wasn't until Gen 4 that they started creating sound-based attacks that weren't Normal type.
2) When creating a new type, you have to be able to design moves of each category, which are physical, special, and status. How do you create a physical Sound-type attack that couldn't also work as a special-attacking move without making them behave like Photon Geyser, Shell Side Arm, and Tera Blast? All of the sound-based moves that exists as of the S/V DLC are either status moves of special attacks.
@@Tony_AM009 I get the point you're making, but I feel like you're limiting yourself. Sound is not just voice. There's a whole bunch of percussion options for physicals options.
@@WobbleHawk You're right to say that sound isn't tied solely to vocal noise. A part of me just feels like the game is less likely to create a new official type the more time passes.
Drum Beating could've been a physical, Sound-type attack if the Sound type was created in time for Sword & Shield. EDIT: Then again, the battle animation shows that Drum Beating summons large roots to strike the opponent.
Would Rumble make for a good name for a physical, Sound-type attack?
@@Tony_AM009 I could definitely see things like rumble and beating play into physical sound type, but at this point I doubt it'll ever happen