And the April’s Fools video about bulky Ice-types and bulky Rock-types. It would culminate in Aurorus and Hisuian Avalugg, of which Hisuian Avalugg exists literally as a cool setpiece boss in Legends Arceus.
i miss ferrothorn so much every time i play gen 9 and that little shit ogerpon wellspring comes out i close my eyes and think of my beautiful thorny friend
Bulky grass is a super cool archetype cause you usually see casual people saying Grass isn't good as a type, but its role in competitive metagames is one of my favourites ~Ferrothorn would save gen 9 ou~
Ferro is dope. Excellent support and utility without being passive with its high base power physical attacks and decent attack stat. Being steel without being weak to earthquake is also just so huge defensively. Grass secondary typing gives it a slew of unique resistances to go alongside steel’s already good defensive profile. Just a very unique and well designed mon overall.
I enjoy competitive pokemon as a hobby that if I had a different childhood (not been introduced to League of Legends by my cousin at age 8) I would engage with intimately but instead I consume what I do second hand through content like yours. My favourite archetype of pokemon has always been bulky grass and I'm travelling 7 hours by transit home to see family today. So, almost unironically "YIPPEE"d when I opened my youtube homepage to this.
The thing about Shaymin Sky in DPP OU was "Yes, this is frail. It's weak to a lot of common types and is weak to Stealth Rock. But the thing about Shaymin is that it can be deceptively hard to kill. It wasn't "bulky" but it had a lot of longevity. You know how sometimes Pokemon spam Protect and Substitute to rack up HP? Well, imagine that but it's on a Pokemon where the Protect gets replaced by Air Slash, doing damage, while effectively protecting yourself. With Serene Grace, 60% of the time you were failing to do anything to Shaymin as it spammed Substitute and Leech Seed to high heaven. Oh, what about using grass types to block leech seed. Well, no grass type in DPP can be both immune to Leech Seed and resist Air Slash. None. There was no Pokemon that could do this. Even in Generation V this doesn't change. What you wanna use Ferrothorn? Good luck stalling out Shaymin Sky with Ferrothorn. See how well that goes. The only Pokemon that actually qualifies as immune to Leech Seed and resisting the combination of Air Slash and Seed Flare, is Gholdengo in Generation 9! And even in this ridiculous scenario, Shaymin Sky has Earth Power anyway. So yeah, may not be bulky, it is certainly unkillable at times.
Grass feels like what Rock was originally designed (and functioned in gen 1) to be (complementing each other very well at that), even without its more gimmicky traits added in later gens like powder immunity. Tons of weaknesses but very crucial rare resistances that threaten those among the most powerful types in the game (Ground/Water) in return. Rock's biggest issues in comparison is that one of the types it countered was phased out very quickly (Normal) and also other types either were introduced or brought to prominence that did its job objectively better (Steel/Ghost).
I don't really play mons Im more of just. A lurker who enjoys the sometimes incoherent tangents of a madman movie director but the most I've played was USUM ou in 2019 and man THERE AINT NO WALL like AV tangrowth. If no one else got me, growth got me.
Hearing BKC mention AV on Serperior brings me back. Everyone always told me immediately after ORAS came out that AV Serp was awful, but I consistently put in work with it. Leaf Storm, Giga Drain for recovery and a second stab, HP Fire for steels, and Dragon Pulse for the Latis. Only big issue is Heatran
I think it’s just a hyper offensive mon that just so happens to be blessed with a good defensive profile. Kart doesn’t want to do anything but attack for the most part. And without HP or Def EVs, it’s not too bulky without switching in to resisted attacks.
yes in SM OU synthesis + defog with with grass z is one of the best counters to physical offensive lando and sd garchomp out there, outspeeding both, removing their rocks, living their unboosted z moves, synthesising off earthquakes comfortably and with the right spread able to ohko them back with z grass to, It also permablocks ferro from doing pretty much anything as its immune to leech and defogs its hazards. Knock off also gives you pretty impressive utility to, since now your a pivot its a lot easier to click knock vs things that its not as effective against- if garchomp stays in you'll just eat eq and synth it off anyway, and there's a lot of knock targets for grasses in SM - tornadus rocky helmet, heatran lefties, defensive magearna items, pivoting ferro/kart items, zap items, etc etc. great example of what grass provides defensively, a bulky piece with utility that also provides a genuine progress return via its knock and z move.
It’s interesting because it is weak to many types, but its resistance profile is impressive and completely unique. If the rest of your team can handle fires and icies well, its ground, electric and water (super common offensive types) resistances are massive.
I legitimately think this thought process comes from single player, since grass types usually aren't that good. In competitive, defensive grasses are great in every gen since ADV Celebi, who is equally as good as broken steel Jirachi. DPP is a low point but FWG was everywhere at a point and Venusaur is the best pokemon in UU. In gen 5 and later, grass just gets better and better.
It's a skew type; ungodly bad into somethings, but will be straight up immovable in a late game if those things are gone. I always think of how Celebi has some of the worst weaknesses possible, but if those are gone you cannot take it down. Celebi has this habit, in older gens, of popping up when the meta leans a certain way for it to wall main threats.
Meganium surely is much better as a bulky grass type in gen 2 than eggie, even if the latter is a better mon. It actually has a decent speed stat, so it can go first here and there, eggie is so slow, meganium also has much better special bulk, and no quad weaknesses, so it's not that bothered by hp bug. Team support with screens as well.
The stats don't matter, Eggy has better support moves and can boom. Stun spore/leech seed/sleep powder/explosion are great progress making tools. Meganium had it's usual issue of "doing literally nothing", even back in gen 2. It's just too passive, even by wall standards. It leaves the opponent with to much free reign to just swap around it. Eggy's typing is also fine as long as you manoeuvre it properly, resisting machamp for example is something it has over Meganium.
@@Bladius_ It sounds like we agree on a lot here, that eggie is indeed a much better progress maker, sleep powder/explosion and STAB psychic does a lot more for you than meganium. In terms of stall/support though? Meganium is a better screen setter, has instant recover, and yes, stats do matter, here is an example. HP electrics, , meganium doesn't particulary care about hp ice, due to its much better special bulk and instant recovery, eggie is actually sort of scared of them. I'm curious about machamp though, yes, eggie resists cross chop, and then what? You are a speed tie away from dying to HP bug, because again, eggie is indeed very slow.
The Heatran with Lava Plume is statistically more likely to run flash fire due to burn redundancy, so Flamethrower Heatran will win more often than tying given enough set permutations (I made all my stats up)
Praise the eternal Rocky Helmet Tangrowth, destroyer of broken Mega Metagross, Worry Seeder of SD Gliscor...cinema
Breloom is Gen 3
@@Hockeystick213breloom in Gen 3 is a fighting type with spore. Swampert is a breloom answer
So proud of Bulky Grasses overcoming the immense priviledge of water types to establish themselves in their own right
What resisting two top 5 types does to a singuler typing in Mons.
now we need a video about bulky ground types
And the April’s Fools video about bulky Ice-types and bulky Rock-types. It would culminate in Aurorus and Hisuian Avalugg, of which Hisuian Avalugg exists literally as a cool setpiece boss in Legends Arceus.
30:22 "Ah. I am nice and hydrated once again." My bulky grass-types after I water them. I keep them exceedingly well-hydrated.
my gengar criting giga drain on the swampert switch in: 30:22
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Swampert: An enormous, damp, muddy amphibian.
Gengar: "Giga Drain. My thirst is quenched."
Scald burn
i miss ferrothorn so much every time i play gen 9 and that little shit ogerpon wellspring comes out i close my eyes and think of my beautiful thorny friend
That's one of the reasons i don't enjoy gen 9, bring back the goat Ferro
Gen 9 OU really does be missing Tangrowth and Ferrothorn this time around, between Waterpon, Defensive Grounds, Bolt, Sleep Power/Spore, etc.
Ferrothorn would've made Ogerpon balanced lol. It would force her to run Superpower
@@MaahirMomtaz12agreed bc encore is such a huge part of its moveset that dropping it or dropping power whip would make it a lot more manageable
Hydrapple kinda fills the void of tangrowth and does a lot of more interesting things in my opinion
@@andrewwojtas8486Not really. Dragon’s weaknesses to fairy and ice make them very different
@@MaahirMomtaz12 nah toxicroak and cactune be cooking Waterpon
Bulky grass is a super cool archetype cause you usually see casual people saying Grass isn't good as a type, but its role in competitive metagames is one of my favourites
~Ferrothorn would save gen 9 ou~
Forcing Wellspring to consider running Low Kick/Superpower would be so nice, it already wants other moves as well like Play Rough, Encore, etc.
Ferrothorn saved every Generation we just failed to realize it until it was gone.
Ferro is dope. Excellent support and utility without being passive with its high base power physical attacks and decent attack stat. Being steel without being weak to earthquake is also just so huge defensively. Grass secondary typing gives it a slew of unique resistances to go alongside steel’s already good defensive profile. Just a very unique and well designed mon overall.
Ferro GOATED
Ferrothorn is helped out by having the best type in the game as a secondary type.
I enjoy competitive pokemon as a hobby that if I had a different childhood (not been introduced to League of Legends by my cousin at age 8) I would engage with intimately but instead I consume what I do second hand through content like yours. My favourite archetype of pokemon has always been bulky grass and I'm travelling 7 hours by transit home to see family today. So, almost unironically "YIPPEE"d when I opened my youtube homepage to this.
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The thing about Shaymin Sky in DPP OU was "Yes, this is frail. It's weak to a lot of common types and is weak to Stealth Rock.
But the thing about Shaymin is that it can be deceptively hard to kill. It wasn't "bulky" but it had a lot of longevity. You know how sometimes Pokemon spam Protect and Substitute to rack up HP? Well, imagine that but it's on a Pokemon where the Protect gets replaced by Air Slash, doing damage, while effectively protecting yourself. With Serene Grace, 60% of the time you were failing to do anything to Shaymin as it spammed Substitute and Leech Seed to high heaven.
Oh, what about using grass types to block leech seed. Well, no grass type in DPP can be both immune to Leech Seed and resist Air Slash. None. There was no Pokemon that could do this. Even in Generation V this doesn't change. What you wanna use Ferrothorn? Good luck stalling out Shaymin Sky with Ferrothorn. See how well that goes. The only Pokemon that actually qualifies as immune to Leech Seed and resisting the combination of Air Slash and Seed Flare, is Gholdengo in Generation 9! And even in this ridiculous scenario, Shaymin Sky has Earth Power anyway.
So yeah, may not be bulky, it is certainly unkillable at times.
Priority though
What moves et do you suggest and stats?
Grass feels like what Rock was originally designed (and functioned in gen 1) to be (complementing each other very well at that), even without its more gimmicky traits added in later gens like powder immunity. Tons of weaknesses but very crucial rare resistances that threaten those among the most powerful types in the game (Ground/Water) in return.
Rock's biggest issues in comparison is that one of the types it countered was phased out very quickly (Normal) and also other types either were introduced or brought to prominence that did its job objectively better (Steel/Ghost).
I can't believe bkc had to be rebooted on camera
The return of hour long history of videos, beautiful.
Kartana having more physical bulk than some rock types is funny to me
I don't really play mons Im more of just. A lurker who enjoys the sometimes incoherent tangents of a madman movie director but the most I've played was USUM ou in 2019 and man THERE AINT NO WALL like AV tangrowth. If no one else got me, growth got me.
fr i was heartbroken to know that AV tangrowth is bad now in USUM, that was my favorite mon of all time
Biblically accurate BKC there at the end... was he speaking the language of the gods?
it’s Tangrowth Tuesday
Cool but we want to know more about DPP tiering drama though
stay tuned. I've never seen so many people praising machamp's positive contributions to the metagame before now
@@BKCplaysPokemon if what you say is true, it is stupid that Smogon wont ban Iron Head or No Guard. Only Jirachi or Machamps
@@Gear1211 Hell nah 💀
it seems tame so far but iuno
Hearing BKC mention AV on Serperior brings me back. Everyone always told me immediately after ORAS came out that AV Serp was awful, but I consistently put in work with it. Leaf Storm, Giga Drain for recovery and a second stab, HP Fire for steels, and Dragon Pulse for the Latis. Only big issue is Heatran
Kartana is a bulky Grass, right? It has almost as much physical bulk as Ferrothorn.
Special bulk isn't real.
I think it’s just a hyper offensive mon that just so happens to be blessed with a good defensive profile. Kart doesn’t want to do anything but attack for the most part. And without HP or Def EVs, it’s not too bulky without switching in to resisted attacks.
it's just another min-max'd terror
yes in SM OU synthesis + defog with with grass z is one of the best counters to physical offensive lando and sd garchomp out there, outspeeding both, removing their rocks, living their unboosted z moves, synthesising off earthquakes comfortably and with the right spread able to ohko them back with z grass to, It also permablocks ferro from doing pretty much anything as its immune to leech and defogs its hazards. Knock off also gives you pretty impressive utility to, since now your a pivot its a lot easier to click knock vs things that its not as effective against- if garchomp stays in you'll just eat eq and synth it off anyway, and there's a lot of knock targets for grasses in SM - tornadus rocky helmet, heatran lefties, defensive magearna items, pivoting ferro/kart items, zap items, etc etc. great example of what grass provides defensively, a bulky piece with utility that also provides a genuine progress return via its knock and z move.
Bulky grass is my favorite ^.^ watching this with my cradily plush
Celebi is one of my fav mons. Did they really had to make uturn a bug type move?😢
Resisting all of water, electric, ground, and itself is quite amazing
how many times I heard people say grass type is bad defensively
It’s interesting because it is weak to many types, but its resistance profile is impressive and completely unique. If the rest of your team can handle fires and icies well, its ground, electric and water (super common offensive types) resistances are massive.
I legitimately think this thought process comes from single player, since grass types usually aren't that good. In competitive, defensive grasses are great in every gen since ADV Celebi, who is equally as good as broken steel Jirachi. DPP is a low point but FWG was everywhere at a point and Venusaur is the best pokemon in UU. In gen 5 and later, grass just gets better and better.
It's the Wolfe Glicke video effect where automatically more weaknesses = bad type
It's a skew type; ungodly bad into somethings, but will be straight up immovable in a late game if those things are gone.
I always think of how Celebi has some of the worst weaknesses possible, but if those are gone you cannot take it down. Celebi has this habit, in older gens, of popping up when the meta leans a certain way for it to wall main threats.
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Giga Drain has 16 PP in generation 4.
Did you really put Exeggutor in the thumbnail but not Ferrothorn? Taking sides I see
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Meganium surely is much better as a bulky grass type in gen 2 than eggie, even if the latter is a better mon.
It actually has a decent speed stat, so it can go first here and there, eggie is so slow, meganium also has much better special bulk, and no quad weaknesses, so it's not that bothered by hp bug.
Team support with screens as well.
The stats don't matter, Eggy has better support moves and can boom. Stun spore/leech seed/sleep powder/explosion are great progress making tools.
Meganium had it's usual issue of "doing literally nothing", even back in gen 2. It's just too passive, even by wall standards. It leaves the opponent with to much free reign to just swap around it.
Eggy's typing is also fine as long as you manoeuvre it properly, resisting machamp for example is something it has over Meganium.
@@Bladius_ It sounds like we agree on a lot here, that eggie is indeed a much better progress maker, sleep powder/explosion and STAB psychic does a lot more for you than meganium.
In terms of stall/support though? Meganium is a better screen setter, has instant recover, and yes, stats do matter, here is an example.
HP electrics, , meganium doesn't particulary care about hp ice, due to its much better special bulk and instant recovery, eggie is actually sort of scared of them.
I'm curious about machamp though, yes, eggie resists cross chop, and then what?
You are a speed tie away from dying to HP bug, because again, eggie is indeed very slow.
There will be no Ferrothorn to save you this time
History of bulky grass types (sans meganium)
On a serious note, how do you not go to the restroom every/every other hour at work if you're this hydrated?
Make a video of the history of substitute if you haven’t already
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Scarf Heatran Lava Plume vs Scarf Heatran Flamethrower. Who will win?
It’s close, but I think Heatran takes this one.
The Heatran with Lava Plume is statistically more likely to run flash fire due to burn redundancy, so Flamethrower Heatran will win more often than tying given enough set permutations (I made all my stats up)
@@redwarrior118 wouldn’t that mean flamethrower heatran would be more likely to run flame body, hence making lava plume heatran the clear winner?
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