Antivirus Tierlist: Best Antivirus in 2021

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    Wohoo, we reached 200K subscribers, and the most asked question as always is what is the best antivirus? or what antivirus or internet security software do I recommend? In this video, I break it down in tiermaker to create a list of the best antivirus software in 2021, based on recent tests on The PC Security Channel. Subscribe for more: th-cam.com/users/thepcsecuri...
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  • @pcsecuritychannel
    @pcsecuritychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +169

    This video will premier along with a Discord voice chat event. So you can jump in right after the video for Q&A. Don't miss it. Join here: discord.com/invite/y7q3qMM

    • @CleanWieCodein
      @CleanWieCodein 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😬🤗

    • @xi-jin-poohxinnie5493
      @xi-jin-poohxinnie5493 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cool

    • @mr.mastermind4840
      @mr.mastermind4840 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Where would you put Comodo Internet Security on the list?

    • @lorah3005
      @lorah3005 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Where would you put G Data Internet Security on the list?

    • @bmppondernavy
      @bmppondernavy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Are you able to test Vipre internet security

  • @whyyoutube8197
    @whyyoutube8197 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3222

    Think you should re-test everything in this list to make the results the most up to date. Also, differentiate between each products’ free and paid version.

    • @davidedallara1775
      @davidedallara1775 2 ปีที่แล้ว +391

      IMHO I would have made a tierlist for paid products and another for free ones

    • @mikopiko
      @mikopiko 2 ปีที่แล้ว +258

      True, he cannot mix the free versions with paid

    • @whyyoutube8197
      @whyyoutube8197 2 ปีที่แล้ว +110

      @@davidedallara1775 haha well I think mixing is fine. Because u never know… some of the brands’ free version might be better than the paid version of others… *coughs* McAfee

    • @AndroidFerret
      @AndroidFerret 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@whyyoutube8197 which one do you use ?

    • @AuriosCPU
      @AuriosCPU 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes i agreed with that advice

  • @maxwellsmart3156
    @maxwellsmart3156 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2450

    Some issues with Norton is that they have your credit card and the automatic renewal is infuriating. I see many older systems where Norton completely undermines performance. These need to be included in your testing results.

    • @kafadek825
      @kafadek825 2 ปีที่แล้ว +100

      Couldnt agree more. Have had clients return the Norton because after spending money to purchase it at a store, they cant se it if they dont enter CC details. For a product that will have that much access, I cant trust them for such mafia tactics

    • @belovedtruth3447
      @belovedtruth3447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      I've been using Norton for 2 years now. Never had issues. Looking at this video, I don't know what i feel. I'm confused. I thought Norton would at least end up in A tier!

    • @maxwellsmart3156
      @maxwellsmart3156 2 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      @@belovedtruth3447 Antivirus software is like insurance. You'll never know how good it is until it's too late. A more important question is why you chose Norton over anything else and if you've never had a problem you probably could have got away with MS Defender for free.

    • @supertrexandroidx
      @supertrexandroidx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yeah, I would never run Norton on a computer, myself. Way too many problems with it in the past. If you want things to unexpectantly stop working as you'd expect them to, then feel free to give it a go. ;)

    • @onlykindacrazy
      @onlykindacrazy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Note this may have changed but as of a year or 2 ago Norton was giving us nightmares trying to remove it. As in you would run the uninstaller and after reboot would reinstall itself. Ended up being deep in a file from their ISP triggering it. The malware that got on the machine was easier to remove.

  • @n1ce608
    @n1ce608 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1497

    1:30 Windows Defender
    2:00 McAfee
    2:37 Avira
    3:16 Bitdefender
    3:45 AVG
    4:13 Avast
    4:45 Kaspersky
    5:46 F-secure
    6:00 Sophos
    6:10 Malwarebytes
    6:49 Norton
    7:21 Eset

    • @letgodbetrueandeverymanali3656
      @letgodbetrueandeverymanali3656 2 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      Thanks for taking the time to do all that, appreciate ya Bro.

    • @AAAyanArshad
      @AAAyanArshad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ThankYou

    • @T_nology
      @T_nology 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you!

    • @Ryan-gc3sd
      @Ryan-gc3sd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks

    • @ray_x6959
      @ray_x6959 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Finally some that list then vps cus am noy a vpn nerd

  • @vdinh143
    @vdinh143 2 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    I appreciate the tremendous work put into this content. Keeping up with the ever changing landscape of cyber security is such a hassle but at the same time vitally important.

    • @godmaxeyyy
      @godmaxeyyy 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      this has nothing to do with cyber security sir

  • @jrgenw4795
    @jrgenw4795 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3101

    I really feel that defender really needs a new test with all the options active. It's improved a lot

    • @dashdashdash_
      @dashdashdash_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +265

      It still has a serious problem identifying new methods of old exploits, in some cases simply changing application flow or using obfuscation is enough to bypass it

    • @CeleronS1
      @CeleronS1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +113

      I would really like to see how defender acts when you are running malware on standard non-admin account. That is how usually most of corporate stuff runs.

    • @hircine92h
      @hircine92h 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@dashdashdash_ Thats because its very basic. I've always said Windows Defender is useless junk.

    • @enricofermi3471
      @enricofermi3471 2 ปีที่แล้ว +75

      There's really little workaround as I see it. Either you get a snappy fast nigh-unnoticeable that almost doesn't slow your machine in any daily task or a resource-hungry rhino of an antivirus like Kaspersky that makes you remember the days when CPUs were single-cored and everything ran from an HDD.

    • @filippogamer2994
      @filippogamer2994 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      I’ve heard that windows antivirus is the best free antivirus software that exists and it is also near resourceless

  • @lautaropiatti
    @lautaropiatti ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great work! we definitely need an updated tier list 🙂

    • @zheayy
      @zheayy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      yeah I need 2023 ver

  • @niksonrex88
    @niksonrex88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Malwarebytes saved my ass from a Trojan. Ill never forget that and ill forever be a malwarebytes enthusiast.

  • @calvinwhoa
    @calvinwhoa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +400

    Can’t wait for TPSC to roast Protegent “Anti-Virus”

    • @mason8335
      @mason8335 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Protegent is an easy S tier

    • @mc_mzcgt
      @mc_mzcgt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      @@mason8335 Agree it is in the S(uck) teir :)

    • @Mario583a
      @Mario583a 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What about ARTAV?

    • @MaksKCS
      @MaksKCS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mason8335 ratio

    • @idontmine7215
      @idontmine7215 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@MaksKCS counter + protegent mid + kaspersky fell off, the hood uses mcafee sadly

  • @deadpin
    @deadpin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +773

    Can you speak to the actual runtime efficiency of these as well? A simplistic test would be to use the CPU time metric (can be added in taskmgr; it's cumulative for the process lifetime; it's scaled per-process core) and just provide a Delta for how much CPU time was required during your malware test. E.g if software X took 5 cpu-minutes, but another took 4, than that's very useful to know.

    • @koli0842
      @koli0842 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      I would LOVE to see that. I'm a long time BitDefender user, eyeing Kaspersky for a while now, but my last memories of it that it was quite a hit on PC performance. I don't really care about explicit scan runtimes personally, but I still want files to open snappy, and games to run well.

    • @soundwavevr6164
      @soundwavevr6164 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@koli0842 Yeah, I remember back in the day Kaspersky slowing down the PC A LOT. I've recently only used the free version, but that one is cloud base, so there's little to zero impact with that one, but the paid are not the same thing. There's one huge problem I found on a friends computer cause by Kaspersky. He was constantly running out of disk space in his Windows partition and what I found was that Kaspersky Antivirus was generating these huge log files, they got to 60 GBs at some point, so I'm a bit reluctant against Kaspersky. It definitely has good protection though.

    • @koli0842
      @koli0842 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@soundwavevr6164 That's crazy.. and here I am, mad about nvidia driver hogging 2-3 gigs with driver download cache

    • @tiberiumnp8030
      @tiberiumnp8030 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      AV-TEST does official testing of this every year.

    • @stpedro-ht9ng
      @stpedro-ht9ng ปีที่แล้ว

      @@koli0842 If you have to run an AV with realtime protection it's always going to affect performance. That's the tradeoff that comes with running the minefield of viruses that is Windows.

  • @Spark010
    @Spark010 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Interesting review , it would be great to see a review of the A group options, to see which one comes out on top.

  • @kentaronagame7529
    @kentaronagame7529 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    You should do a tier list for home users and another tier list for business owners. Some of the higher ranked AVs in your list just completely suck when it comes to personal use even though I'd definitely keep them in a work environment.
    To me the only thing at home you need other than WD is a good adblocker, knowledge and/or common sense. If you're a walking hazard in life you can pair it will MB.

  • @YourCitizen
    @YourCitizen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +487

    I have had a HORRIBLE experience with Avira Antivirus. I had it on my family mac and not only did it not work, but it actually acted more like a malware than anything by failing to remove it's own files after uninstall, giving itself admin privileges without proper prompting, and even being so buggy as to have a total UI crash and prevented my system from shutting down at all.

    • @jm036
      @jm036 2 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      That's more of a Mac thing though. Completely different AV becuase it's a completely different OS. It also simply doesn't support uninstalling.

    • @GgGhost
      @GgGhost 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@jm036 no no, I've had this happen in other Windows PCs as well (curiously enough, not all of them, but still), Avira does do some shady stuff sometimes

    • @norm-bb3bb
      @norm-bb3bb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      ​​@@GgGhost The same thing happened to me but with AVG, I made some research and the same AVG has a solution if this happened

    • @kimberlypinelli6165
      @kimberlypinelli6165 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      FACTS SHIT IS ANNOYING ON MAC !!!!!!

    • @YourCitizen
      @YourCitizen ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@vlc-cosplayer plenty. Mostly targeted at the elderly, seeing as they are a large portion of the user base. The malware scene is not as "developed" as it is on Windows, but when it does happen it tends to be very severe.

  • @SniperOwl
    @SniperOwl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Grats on the 200k I've been here for a while and love to see you grow over the years. Well deserved.

  • @carlschneider4229
    @carlschneider4229 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    While it may take a bit of extra doing, I would really like to see a version of this but for Enterprise endpoint protection: Cylance, Webroot, Defender (paid), Trend Micro... It is surprisingly difficult to find real-world comparisons like you do for these higher end, but much more niche products.
    Granted, we also prioritize different things than consumers do, like RMM integration, vendor support, fleet management capabilities, and features like DLP, but security is still the bottom line: does it stop ransomware?

    • @goat8629
      @goat8629 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I use webroot and I believe that it is good enough for what I need

    • @LukeTheJoker
      @LukeTheJoker 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We had a virus ruin a computer a few years back, so I asked a friend who does high level government IT set up design and maintenance and he said to just get Trend Micro Maximum and forget about any issues.
      To be fair, he knows who we are and that we don't do much aside from forums, emails, TH-cam, and online shopping, but it has occasionally blocked some stuff for us over the years and we have had zero issues.
      Yes it costs more than some others, but I don't mind paying for the peace of mind.

  • @timeeternal5756
    @timeeternal5756 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Hello, can you do a Anti Virus Tierlist for 2024 plus live demonstration between free and paid versions?

  • @matox01tekk
    @matox01tekk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I have seen your videos, you have done such extensive in depth testing of antiviruses i have yet to see someone do something similar with so much value, with your knowledge you might as well do tier list and anyone who watched at least one of your test videos will know that the tier list will be on point and value all the important aspects of what the best antivirus should have.

  • @cdm297
    @cdm297 2 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Excellent video, just to add, we recently did some rigorous tests and comparison for enterprises in endpoint security and zero day vulnerability. We had included crowd strike and Fire eye in the mix too and found that when defender stack is combined ( defender for endpoint, identity, 365 and MCAS) it was kind of impenetrable fortress. Mind blowing to see how well it created a map of the attack.

    • @mogr488
      @mogr488 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      we?

    • @NopWorks
      @NopWorks ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@mogr488 He's talking as an enterprise customer about Enterprise products that are only for businesses. "Mind blowing to see how well it created a map of the attack" implies that it's a map of how an attack spread through the corporate network.
      And most product listed such as Defender for Endpoint, Microsoft Cloud Access Security (MCAS), Microsoft Identity Platform are all business-tier products.
      So "we" very likely means talking as a team or as an organization who have tested or used the products

  • @jgp6711
    @jgp6711 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Since you appear to view Windows Defender as the baseline, I would like to see each of the others matched against it, especially Bit Defender and Kaspersky to see what the differences are.

  • @TruthNTime
    @TruthNTime 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What happened to Comodo? I thought it was on par with Sophos at least. In fact, I downloaded it
    after watching your review on it. It was hard to configure I admit, and I still don't know what half
    of the settings are for but it seems to do a pretty decent job at detection...

  • @OfficialRedTeamReview
    @OfficialRedTeamReview 2 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    7:58 sounds good

  • @ignacymoscickifilms670
    @ignacymoscickifilms670 2 ปีที่แล้ว +531

    From my experience with Kaspersky, I'd move it down a tier. Far from perfect with the UI and it uses the rule of "if i kill EVERYTHING then nothing can harm". He likes to block programs from accessing some protocols (even CMD for that matter) and tells you nothing. So often you try to find solutions and look at the firewall and such, when it was Kaspersky all along. That's my point of view.

    • @skibidibomumdada9823
      @skibidibomumdada9823 2 ปีที่แล้ว +118

      Based on my experience, kapersky hasn't cause many problems and it usually only allerted me about the programs i used (like autoclickers, keygen etc) instad of blocking random stuff.
      Virus wise it has blocked basically everything so idk this is how it went for me

    • @davidlguerr
      @davidlguerr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      To me they have a big issue, response time. If you report them some malware or malicious URL takes ages to be processed and included in their databases. ESET acts quickly.

    • @DustOfOsiris
      @DustOfOsiris 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      That's very much true with Kaspersky business products. Delete some executable file on all computers in network due to false alarm and bury that in logs - pffft, it does this regularly. Silently block some crappy banking or government software which is needed to work ASAP - of course. My home Total Security, on the other hand, always notifies me when it tries to block or delete something.

    • @methamphetamememcmeth3422
      @methamphetamememcmeth3422 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      And what's wrong with the UI? It's perfectly fine.

    • @gkato
      @gkato 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@DustOfOsiris I have this experience with my job laptop. I've seen coleagues lost hours and hours trying to figure out what is wrong because Kaspersky doesn't say that it's blocking the program.

  • @stadiagamer9689
    @stadiagamer9689 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had Kaspersky but i had to replace it because it was crashing every time i've started my computer.. can anyone know a solution to that?

  • @wailkame740
    @wailkame740 2 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    As a cyber security analyst I think Eset is an A tier at least because it has so much features the one that caught my eyes is HIPS , this is a behavioral feature that give a headache for malware developers because it can catch the stealthy malware the type of malware that inject itself into legitimate processes

    • @wailkame740
      @wailkame740 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nickqqq385 do you prefer the short answer or the longest one .

    • @wailkame740
      @wailkame740 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      the short one is kaspersky

    • @isaiahvolcy3751
      @isaiahvolcy3751 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@wailkame740 agree I'm about to graduate as an IT cyber security analysis right now! Do yoU recommend going for my masters!

    • @iamtiedev
      @iamtiedev 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hello! I need your personal opinion, as a cybersecurity student, I currently use a MacBook Air, although I use Linux in a virtual machine, note that most in this area uses Windows? Do you recommend me to upgrade from the base MacBook Air M1 to an HP EliteBook with Windows? that will favor me? I appreciate your time in replying, greetings

  • @abitterberry2149
    @abitterberry2149 2 ปีที่แล้ว +173

    TPSC got bruteforced into making an antivirus tierlist!

  • @crisaghemo
    @crisaghemo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +289

    I'd really love to see you include how user friendly these are outside of just the protection levels. Given the vast majority of users will not have your knowledge, we simply might not know or even notice how to tweak or adjust the app. Annoyances like dubious marketing practices (like installing other programs or spamming you to do so), any relationships with questionable powers (china? russia? the mafia?), etc. Things like this are a concern I think.

    • @iznogoud8780
      @iznogoud8780 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      USA and Brits are not questionable powers? Oh, I forget. They are fluffy and white. And can't harm anybody

    • @ghoulbuster1
      @ghoulbuster1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@iznogoud8780 They are all small hat controlled anyways.

    • @Norbert011
      @Norbert011 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@ghoulbuster1 based

    • @Rollerbear712
      @Rollerbear712 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@iznogoud8780 I think I spot a triggered Chinese/Russian

    • @erikasilva6154
      @erikasilva6154 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@iznogoud8780 aren't Russians white?

  • @CadetClueless
    @CadetClueless 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can you do a test on Emsisoft, TotalAV, and Trend Micro? I think they are underrated and should be tested along with these AVs.

  • @guptagod
    @guptagod 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    A genuine review based on merit. Kaspersky is really excellent! Thanks for the review!

  • @math001
    @math001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Can't wait for my AV to get destroyed in this tier list

  • @fabriziomolinari7953
    @fabriziomolinari7953 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great explaination here. I am just Wondering, on the decent category you have Eset and AVG, however AVG is free and Eset is only Paid. Also there is the paid version of AVG Inter Security. So are you refering to this when comparing it to Eset or is AVG and it´s paid version the same for some reason?.

  • @emwhaibee
    @emwhaibee ปีที่แล้ว

    Much thanks for this Leo!
    Also, when do you usually do your best of tierlist? 2022 and 2023 tierlist where??

  • @imark7777777
    @imark7777777 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was interesting it was a nice overview which makes me intrigued to check out the other videos would love to see an updated version of this if anything's changed.

  • @Acts19quiz
    @Acts19quiz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +193

    Some years ago, as a long-time Norton user, I had a really bad infection that would just not go away at all. I knew it was there, I saw the web browser redirects, embedded DLLs (that would regenerate if I tried to manually delete them), and start-up executions, but Norton refused to detect anything and said, 'No infections detected!' (lol) I uninstalled Norton that day, alternated between Avast/AVG (depending on PC), got things cleaned up (along with help from Spybot S&D), and never looked back. I honestly expected Norton to be *lower*.
    Speaking of SS&D, it has an anti-virus in the paid version, does it not? I wonder how it would rank on this list.

    • @arhumraja8881
      @arhumraja8881 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Avast was bought by norton

    • @teaverge5691
      @teaverge5691 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      bro same its just a huge scam

    • @arhumraja8881
      @arhumraja8881 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Norton > Avast

    • @rutherfordthebrave2516
      @rutherfordthebrave2516 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah EDRs are the way to go now. I can p much get passed most AV without getting my payloads burned too often. EDRs however, I haven't figured out how to tackle that beast yet. It's beyond my skillet as of right now :(

    • @qhmr869
      @qhmr869 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rutherfordthebrave2516 Electronic Death Registration?

  • @erwintwr1193
    @erwintwr1193 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    your testing moved me to Kaspersky for the past year. really happy here! Keep the good times coming!

  • @wreckyman3602
    @wreckyman3602 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hi! Please can you make a tier list also for CPU Usage? Because some antiviruses really affect the performance!!

  • @diagorosmelos3187
    @diagorosmelos3187 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I agree with the MacAfee judgement. I had it and it let 35 Malware onto my business computer. One of my Techy friends removed MacAfee and installed ESET which immediately went to work and shredded the malware files MacAfee didn't even know was there! ( not sure if my terminology is correct)
    I had Norton about 5 years ago which was semi decent but kept telling me i had Malware even when i was off-line.
    Definitely going to go for Kaspersky after this vid. Cheers

  • @PerpetualPreponderer
    @PerpetualPreponderer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +184

    It would be really helpful if you could include each product’s privacy as well as system performance & resource usage to give us a complete ranking - that would help in making decisions.
    Evaluating them only on test results doesn’t really help because as users we still have to worry about whether the AV is also spyware, and also how much it hijacks our system resources instead of keeping them available for us to use.
    These considerations are every bit as important.

    • @roughriderdave
      @roughriderdave 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Yes I agree completely. The resource usage is critical, while the efficiency plays an important topic as well. To some users, it could be a deal breaker if it bogs the computer down too much, while some may just find a sweet spot for end result to time needed.
      Another thing is ads. I'm not referring to the free versions with the ads to upgrade to a full license. I'm referring to a paid subscription that still pops up with ads to purchase additional software from their company. Nobody likes ads, and it really shouldn't come from software that should actually be eliminating pop up ads.

    • @ThylineTheGay
      @ThylineTheGay 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      All antivirus are most likely spyware

    • @gregokeefe6502
      @gregokeefe6502 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I absolutely agree with you. Every business ecosystem and personal computer is different. A gamer will require little overhead and as much performance as possible, as would someone with aging hardware. Sometimes there is no option to upgrade computers etc due to business critical custom software and hardware locked licencing methods.
      Personally I believe there should be two charts. One for Generic Business(Server and several end users over 2 or 3 physical sites) and another for your everyday home user who will not bother with OS reinstalls, only clicking "Yes upgrade to the latest OS version now" button.
      In an ideal world you would have multiple Antivirus software installed with each one using different methods to protect/scan your system/data. However there is very little information about what is compatible with what concurrently and the performance impact. Maybe this is an idea for a future video.

  • @Adeptzed
    @Adeptzed 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Been looking forward to this video! I've always considered McAfee and Norton bottom/meme tier and replace them whenever I run into them. I appreciate you weighing-in on the antivirus scene. Thank you for all the quality videos!

    • @sushilkatikia1384
      @sushilkatikia1384 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Can you please explain why McAfee is meme ? I just want some advice because I have been using it since the past year. And by looking at the comments, I am getting scared 😅

    • @barrydsa
      @barrydsa 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sushilkatikia1384 Same, please tell me because it was pre installed on my laptop

    • @user-df3ty8ei2u
      @user-df3ty8ei2u 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sushilkatikia1384 its just not that good

    • @slavboii420
      @slavboii420 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd also probably add Avast in it (or at least the C tier)

    • @themanman7642
      @themanman7642 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sushilkatikia1384 It is basically adware

  • @Filmshake
    @Filmshake 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The way you make videos and speak are great. Thankyou from toast in Australia.

  • @splinter2229
    @splinter2229 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So Last year it was november , I mistakenly downloaded a file into my device and it had a virus in it ( the trojan one ) , so yeah days after the same virus attacked my other device which has A subscription to Kaspersky and surprisingly it gone past through it ( fully up to date ) , so i had to fully reset both devices . So yeah if possible , what could be the explanation on that scenario ? ( note : both devices are connected to the same internet )

  • @richardh9071
    @richardh9071 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Hi Leo, I understand F-Secure now uses the Avira engine (though, they used to use Bitdefender, and before that F-Prot and AVP/Kaspersky alongside their own engine, Orion).
    If you look at the signature names used by F-Secure recently, they correlate with the Avira engine.

  • @MeetVekaria
    @MeetVekaria 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Pls continue making or add a final recommendatory video on your best security setup using freeware or open-source tools for windows. Include everything for security. Antivirus, firewall, malware protection, internet security, and anything else we should have on our pc for a general security protection.

  • @TheStoff1975
    @TheStoff1975 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So, how is Kaspersky feeling today? Last year I bought a 2y license for it. But I’m gonna switch back to Bitdefender today. :(

  • @luckyizzac
    @luckyizzac 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I was on silent mode and almost had a heartattack when you hovered kaspersky in the meme tier

    • @mangicna_6195
      @mangicna_6195 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂😂i almost typed the F* word

  • @annihilator714
    @annihilator714 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Make video about your own pc like the essential tools, software do you use for productivity, security, efficiency, all extention, goto default software etc.

  • @Offutticus
    @Offutticus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +160

    I use Sophos due to your test results. I have used others (Bitdefender, AVG, and another I can't remember). Alongside it, I use Defender and Malwarebytes. I appreciate your Real World testing and its lack of painted crap.

    • @Akotski-ys9rr
      @Akotski-ys9rr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      You have 4 anti viruses running on your pc?

    • @Sharcade0
      @Sharcade0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I count 3. Sophos, Windows Defender and Malwarebytes. And I'm pretty sure he only uses Malwarebytes as a second opinion scanner and Windows Defender deactivates it's security features that are already covered by a different AV.

    • @theairaccumulator7144
      @theairaccumulator7144 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      The leastest infected computer

    • @Miguel-jm2pf
      @Miguel-jm2pf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@theairaccumulator7144 Not really, running multiple AVs will make security worse.

    • @mcdangles971
      @mcdangles971 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@Miguel-jm2pf That depends entirely on what each are doing. If they're two solutions doing the same job, yes, you're right. But it's fine to use Windows Defender and a third party A/V solution together (Defender will disable the aspects that are covered by the third-party solution), and Malwarebytes is almost always used as a second opinion scanner and not for live protection (which Sophos would be doing).

  • @prowler1567
    @prowler1567 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I have had a couple of different anti-virus software programs in the past. I have settled on ESET because of its ability to protect well but also because of its small footprint. I have had instances where some of the programs I used in the past didn't work so well on viruses, therefore I don't use them anymore. This has not been the case with ESET and I have been using it for several years now. Having a small footprint with good detection in my opinion works well for me.

    • @Kayan3963
      @Kayan3963 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have AVG antivirus on my phone

  • @adambrown3918
    @adambrown3918 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great review! Thank you. 😊

  • @bluescreenofwin
    @bluescreenofwin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Would love to see a test with Windows Defender with Endpoint with all the cloud enabled policies (ASR for example).

    • @bootydaddy9934
      @bootydaddy9934 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      you cant make money by making defender look good

    • @midleno8364
      @midleno8364 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@bootydaddy9934 you just debunked the entire reason why every website and youtuber go like WaaAAAH dEFenDEr baD wAAAh!!! better delete that comment before you get kidnapped my guy

  • @wolfpuppclips2371
    @wolfpuppclips2371 2 ปีที่แล้ว +404

    Make one for best FREE antivirus too and keep Windows Defender in S tier haha

    • @Two-Checks
      @Two-Checks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      With configure defender it seems to do all right.

    • @HamedEmine
      @HamedEmine 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Two-Checks The Attack Surface Reduction makes it stand out I think

    • @christiankleinramos7988
      @christiankleinramos7988 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      ??? Kaspersky Security Cloud Free is miles better than defender lmao. No need for extra configs unlike Defender to at least perform top. (Did I mention their horrendous "ransomware protection" that just completely locks down selected folders?) Basing on AV-test is like saying every antivirus is on par because most of the tested AVs there are literally similar in scores.
      Watching others' experiences such as TPSC's videos makes it very sure to look at its real life scenario.

    • @TheHobbitmann
      @TheHobbitmann 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@christiankleinramos7988 WD IS TRASH LIKE IT OR NOT

    • @christiankleinramos7988
      @christiankleinramos7988 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@TheHobbitmann Idk if you're angry at me or what since that's my point

  • @Avve22
    @Avve22 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I am using Kaspersky since 2010 and its been solid.. tested AVG (before Avast acquire), Norton, Avira, Bitdefender, Malwarebytes, but never left Kaspersky...

  • @ice_cream_mochi
    @ice_cream_mochi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wasn't Avast selling user data before? When I was looking for a decent antivirus I saw some reviews mentioning that and giving it less stars for that, so I think that's something worth mentioning

  • @cydonia4545
    @cydonia4545 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It would be great if you could evaluate Defender for Endpoints. Given the wide adoption of Microsoft cloud services, and it's integration with the other Defender products it's quite interesting as a solution set, but it would be great to see how it stacks up

  • @JustZacharyLund
    @JustZacharyLund 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Please look into the performance impact of each antivirus software as well.

  • @Androide323
    @Androide323 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for the video, but could you do an updated version with free only Antiviruses and rank them like you did here to see which one's the best free option? Thanks!

  • @thilanharshana1738
    @thilanharshana1738 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, you're rocks! Thank You for your course !!! I've learned so much!!!

  • @lars3285
    @lars3285 2 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Maybe a retest with eset but in the Smart Security Premium Version would be great, because they added a sandbox for unknown threats

    • @maariojm
      @maariojm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      yeah i want to see eset too

    • @dannydanutzu1
      @dannydanutzu1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Just mix letter of word eset and add one B=Beest!😁

    • @davidbennett1471
      @davidbennett1471 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I concur on looking at ESET deeper. We have it deployed to over 1500 endpoints, and have found it’s one of the most stable and accurate products we’ve ever used! The management console is extremely powerful, and their policy controls are exceptional.

    • @Skare147
      @Skare147 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@davidbennett1471 yes I think it is one of the best if you have to manage a lot of clients. Deployment, configuration and monitoring is really easy with eset protect

  • @ledgeri
    @ledgeri 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    A Yearly, Half yearly regular revisit would be nice!

  • @NarekStepanyan
    @NarekStepanyan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As i know, F-secure no more uses Bitdefender engine and develop its own. From third-party engines it only uses Avira Cloud signatures (APC).

  • @m0taboy
    @m0taboy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What version of F-security did you tested? In my opinion of experience i would but F-security above the karpersky.

  • @PreybirdMKII
    @PreybirdMKII 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Has there been any testing on Trend Micro vs any of these products?
    If not, is there a reason TPSC doesn't seem to test or include it on any lists?
    Just curious, not a criticism.

    • @user-oh5nh9yl4m
      @user-oh5nh9yl4m 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Trend Micro has a auto adjustment that if it detect threat more than a certain number it will use reputation rethar than signature. It can easily get 100% detect but it could cause half of the program you're using right now in your computer been terminate as a malware. Also it's very cloud depended and could perform as bad as WD in offline situations.

  • @Sciophobia.
    @Sciophobia. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +125

    All based off of personal experience; I will say that I have deployed Bitdefender Total Security to quite a bit of pcs (12+) of acquaintances and whose users are considered "high-risk". I like to run second-opinion scans and it has kept all of these computers clean despite catching a lot of threats.

    • @mooselexus
      @mooselexus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Which second opinions scanners in your opinion?

    • @igorthelight
      @igorthelight 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@mooselexus MailwareBytes products most likely

    • @mooselexus
      @mooselexus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@igorthelight
      Appreicated your insight.....Without question.:)

    • @davcar872
      @davcar872 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, but at the expense of high resource use. Memory.

  • @bylloo
    @bylloo ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm having an issue with what I believe is a hijacker. Tryed using google dns (testing if the issue was on the router) and restoring the computer to I date prior to when I noticed the issue, nothing solved. Do you know what would be the most advisable antivirus to try to deal with this one? (really trying to avoid formatting the pc)

  • @rimantasri4578
    @rimantasri4578 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have read that Avira can compete with Bitdefender in terms of main virus scanning and detection. Why is it so low in your table?

  • @iamfullofcracks5987
    @iamfullofcracks5987 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I am really interested to see how TinyWall performs in windows 11. See if it improves the malware and ransomware test. Since it's so lightweight it will be interesting see the difference.

    • @Hezeri
      @Hezeri 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't TinyWall just a firewall? That won't prevent malicious software from running and infecting your pc. It can only prevent you from downloading those programs from known locations or prevent the malicious programs from calling "home" by blocking outgoing connections to known malicious addresses. If the program is already on the pc, firewall doesn't prevent it from doing whatever it wants inside the computer. (including overriding the firewall settings)

  • @metehangunaydn6295
    @metehangunaydn6295 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    At last, you are making a video about av vendors products... Thanks so much, Leo.. I subscribed again now.. I wish you will make tests more often in your channel again as you were doing often in the past.. thanks again.. :)

  • @leandrojaramillo646
    @leandrojaramillo646 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Exellent Video Thanks for your time doing this comparison

  • @SebastiaanVaz
    @SebastiaanVaz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I downloaded a torrent, scanned it twice with Avast (first the rar, then again after unzipping) and both times no detection. Opened the .exe and got many virus notices. System totally infected and had to reinstall windows. Never Avast again.

  • @cyberwolfe
    @cyberwolfe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    May I inquire about Comodo? IS it something that you would not consider rating on this chart? Thank you. 👍🏼

    • @Julio_Fiss
      @Julio_Fiss 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Comodo is definetely on the meme category...

  • @petesky101
    @petesky101 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I would like to see more antivirus ranked, not just a few. Here some more you should add to such chart: ZoneAlarm, Immunet, ClamWin, Comodo , Dr.Web, F-PROT, FortiClient, G DATA, NANO Antivirus, Panda, 360 Total Security, Trend Micro, TrustPort, Vba32 AntiVirus.

    • @mandokir
      @mandokir 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Nobody uses that shit.

    • @Quisspo
      @Quisspo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Same, I personally used 360 for a few years now and it did its job well so far

    • @starleigh6680
      @starleigh6680 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mandokir 360 is so popular in China that companies in China are integrating it into their firmware security

  • @3isr3g3n
    @3isr3g3n ปีที่แล้ว +3

    We sell AVG since 2003 and the guys that developed the software originally are great guys.
    Support is still great since Avast got hold of them, and their AV is good in my book. My biggest gripe is that AVG and Avast are essentially the same product, but they still sell them under different names.

    • @Wave1dave
      @Wave1dave 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well according to wiki, AVG was bought by Avast in 2016 and Avast then by Norton (Gen Digital) in 2022, so no wonder.

  • @LaurentK
    @LaurentK 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That tier list doesn't really makes sense, BitDefender and malware byte at the same level ?

  • @theostene4444
    @theostene4444 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Where would you put comodo antivirus?

  • @jaken0
    @jaken0 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder where would you put Emsisoft, the one who you recommended back in the while.

  • @diuco17
    @diuco17 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Which one will get support and updates for windows 7?

  • @stew6662
    @stew6662 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    At my company I was using ESET last year which I thought was pretty good, but since then I switched to Malewarebytes End Point Detection and Response. One of the main factors of me choosing them was their rollback feature. You are right about Karsperky not having the best reputation based on their origins.

    • @dannydanutzu1
      @dannydanutzu1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Eset is actually winner in my top list!😁

    • @mowtow90
      @mowtow90 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@dannydanutzu1 I've been using Eset for years and I like it as well. Karspersky , I cant talk much because I have horrable memories of them from the XP era and its quite difficult for me to give them an other shot.

    • @ad1340yt
      @ad1340yt ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@mowtow90 try it again bud, trust me. Its literally perfect. I switched from malwarebytes to Kaspersky and I love it.

    • @CraftyLemons
      @CraftyLemons 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ad1340yti already have malwarebytes free version and im debating on buying the premium version using a googple play store card. Is this even possible? I dont feel comfortable using my debit card on my phone which i believe might have malware. I want the premium for the deep scan just to put my mind at ease. Do you think this is a good idea? Google play protect removed a malware app that looked like a samsung app and then i scanned with free malwarebytes and it said my device is clean, but im still not certain i trust its completely clean. Geek squad looked it over and said everything looks normal. Should i just do the premium malwarebytes? Or do you have a different recommendation? I mainly wanna go with malwarebytes since i already have it set up and account made, id rather not risk my data by setting up something new. I been under hella stress since finding that malware app, so any response is greatly appreciated boss🙏. Many blessings to you and your family

  • @bramvandenbroeck5060
    @bramvandenbroeck5060 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I am proud of my choice! Kaspersky is my go to antivirus for years now :) great video :p

    • @channel00023
      @channel00023 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same, i have been using kaspersky total security for about 9 year now.

  • @tryntrox
    @tryntrox ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i haven't used any antivirus software in years, ever since both Avira and Avast were detecting everyday apps as viruses, even happened with Kaspersky actually

  • @abdollah978
    @abdollah978 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thx for for doing this video, still i have a question.
    How about iobit systemcare and malware fighter?

  • @pyrotex8
    @pyrotex8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I would love to see more Linux Cybersecurity and also even macOS

  • @techguy6241
    @techguy6241 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can you do a best firewall's tier list?

  • @staffankrolbrevinge4022
    @staffankrolbrevinge4022 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What experience do you have in IT security? I feel that most of your decisions are completely different from mine. Defenders is no-way near C tier. I would say atleast A tier.

  • @user-sn9ph5cb8t
    @user-sn9ph5cb8t 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    which avast product were you testing?
    i would base it off avast one premeum

  • @joshtester5403
    @joshtester5403 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'd really like to see similar comparison for enterprises - I guess it's called EDR and I saw it on your channel. Vendors like BlackBerry/Cylance, Crowdstrike, SentinelOne etc.

    • @rommiemex9532
      @rommiemex9532 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed. Home/Small Business Antivirus solutions are laughable compared against some EDR solutions. Especially in regards to resource utilisation and efficacy.

    • @carlschneider4229
      @carlschneider4229 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Came here to say the same thing.

  • @The_Huddle.
    @The_Huddle. 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Antivirus is not enough, you need PROTOGENT.

  • @danielceja3729
    @danielceja3729 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's your opinion on SetinelOne, Crowdstrike, and Zimperium? I personally use sophos right now.

  • @michaelkaminski
    @michaelkaminski 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your videos and really appreciate the value you provide. Thank you..

  • @-GameHacKeR-
    @-GameHacKeR- ปีที่แล้ว +3

    there is a serious lack of comodo in this list and recently on the channel, I still would like to see Zonealarm tested as well, Also what about Trend Micro PC-cillin

  • @ostapkurtash6359
    @ostapkurtash6359 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi, given the current status of the world I don't want to use Kaspersky anmore. What would you suggest to use instead?

    • @ostapkurtash6359
      @ostapkurtash6359 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@iStrong113 that's what I went with. Kaspersky was good though

    • @gonzalomaldonado7740
      @gonzalomaldonado7740 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Try Bitdefender or F-Secure

    • @hologammer1133
      @hologammer1133 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thats crazy. Why tho? I get that you are afraid but you live once and they dont care about some randoms guy data even IF they monitor.

  • @andysalter7779
    @andysalter7779 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm sure a lot of people who are watching thing are now considering changing the Antivirus they use. Is it as simply as just using windows uninstall tools to remove them before installing a new one. Can any of these programs be used in tandem?

  • @tgmct
    @tgmct 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Curious why Trend Micro doesn't appear on your list?

  • @tomasbarek2852
    @tomasbarek2852 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    We want to see Protegent in a test! You could wait until April the 1st, I would not mind waiting because the date would fit perfectly, however I still want to see it in the test and how it will perform :D

  • @TheCocoaDaddy
    @TheCocoaDaddy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video!!! Personally, I had hoped Avira AntiVir would have ranked higher, but I respect your rankings and rationale. It's really good to get _your_ view on these products, so thanks for posting this and your other videos!

  • @skildfrix
    @skildfrix ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you considered testing Malwarebytes (free) and Windows Security and see how well both AVs work together?

  • @lightdelegate
    @lightdelegate 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks a lot for the video.
    How many things have been changed since that video 3 years ago?
    Should we trust, or is it possible to uninstall the Windows 11 Defender?
    And what about these days?
    I am using ESET nod 32 with a license. Is it safe for privacy or, better, a free Kaspersky?
    I have been watching some of your videos and started to think more and more about privacy when I understood that those who claim to protect us harvest our private data.

  • @RK-ly5qj
    @RK-ly5qj 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    well i think that regarding to ESET you didnt test all of features. There is totally different story for business usage - Endpoint protection.
    i think you should consider to separate the purpose. In fact Whole environment must be tested before deployment for business perspective, for home - whole methodology might be different and it will be cuz mostly its limited ;)

    • @kaboomcanuck2
      @kaboomcanuck2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Agreed - we've used since version 5 and it's been great - the upgrades to their business software and what it covers has also been fantastic . It has done a good job for us from my IT experience.

    • @samik83
      @samik83 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just based on the reviews I've read on it, I would put it in the good category.

    • @steingat
      @steingat 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Eset has also added a number of behavior based detection features since the last time that it was tested on this channel. It would be a good idea to retest.

    • @kiloaveklk2068
      @kiloaveklk2068 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ESET es un buen antivirus de hecho su versión para servidores me ha salvado en mas de una de una ocasión creo que debió estar en una mejor posición yo lo recomiendo sobre todo si usan Hyper-V

    • @jam6875
      @jam6875 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Whats different in the endpoint version?

  • @enricofermi3471
    @enricofermi3471 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've used Kaspersky, Dr. Web, Malwarebytes and Windows Defender throughout over 20 years of PC experience, and as I see it, either you get a snappy fast nigh-unnoticeable WinDefender that almost doesn't slow your machine in any daily task or a resource-hungry rhino of an antivirus like Kaspersky that makes you remember the days when CPUs were single-cored and everything ran from an HDD depending on how heavy you want your "armor" to be, with a range of other various AVs in between. I personally switched fully to WinDef around 2016~ish, and didn't have any problems, but then again, it's just a home PC and laptop, not a type of machines that will be specifically targeted, and the only problem they may encounter is the one sitting in the chair in front of the monitor.

    • @johnnyblaze9217
      @johnnyblaze9217 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      kaspersky is lightweight these days, the engine was redone multiple times. once in 2013 and another in 2017

    • @igorthelight
      @igorthelight 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@johnnyblaze9217 I used ESET Internet Security less than a year ago and then switched to Kaspersky Internet Security.
      And It's heavier :-)
      I have a descent PC (i7 4790k + 16 Gb RAM + SATA3 SSD)
      I agree with the author's statement: the main vulnerability is the stupid user himself ;-)

    • @johnnyblaze9217
      @johnnyblaze9217 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@igorthelight i never said it wasnt heavier than eset i merely said its lightweight these days which it is

    • @igorthelight
      @igorthelight 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johnnyblaze9217 I could agree - it's not that heavy. Especially on newer PCs ;-)

    • @johnnyblaze9217
      @johnnyblaze9217 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@igorthelight yup I run i5-3470k and gtx 1080 and it works great

  • @Zhonow
    @Zhonow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I can say that kaspersky is overall with more info about malware type detecting and less scan time

  • @gustevio
    @gustevio ปีที่แล้ว

    Here patiently waiting for the 2022 tierlist

  • @cIappo896
    @cIappo896 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I dunno about Kaspersky. My company, which will remain undisclosed, is moving away from Kaspersky due to some issue we weren't exactly told about, but we had to jump ship. Considering the scale of the company (probably >10k devices), I'd say there's a fairly big issue there.

    • @TGQ
      @TGQ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Or the company being paranoid about the Kaspersky being Russian. I have seen companies moving or banning employees from using certain common apps (even Discord/Messenger but they let you use Whatsapp which is owned by Facebook, and is known to spy on people even if messages say they are encrypted). They usually don't want to have even a tiny amount of controversy in their company, so they will move to others that don't have yet, or they haven't heard yet about their controversies.