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It takes time and sacrifice to be good isn’t it. I think the same as all other jobs. If you become really good, you end up rolling your own gig - you can earn alot too.
I agree @putriashikin3129. Please take into account perspectives from government docs and primary care practitioners… To paint a better picture of the reality in healthcare sector
My wife was a scoliosis patient in UMSC last year, undergoing a surgery under private. The surgeon operated two days per week. Each day there were about 8 patients that he needs to operate. On that day of surgery, the doctor started operating at 8am. My wife was the second last patient of the day at 7pm. The doctor continued to operate the last patient at 9pm. The surgeon popped by my wife's bed at 1145pm to check on her. And the next morning at 8am, he was checking my wife's progress again! Doctor is a noble job. I admire the team who work relentlessly to help the patients. Till day, i am very grateful for whatever the doctor has done for my wife.
@@brandonling9663 i agree. It sounds cliche as i am a doctor myself. The monetary benefits that come with it is good but should not be the first driving point to pursue it as career. One s just wont survive the workload. This is the issue. However im 100% agree that doctor in kkm is underpaid.
The most satisfying part as government dr is helping patients who can ill afford private fee and really greatful for the help. Bt as he rightly mention, the non clinical work really a push factors
Hopefully government can implement a great system that retains great talent in government services. It’s gonna be challenging but it certainly great long term investment 👍👍
Workload is not just double but quadruple quintuple but pay is from double to 10 times and above.. When u are extremely exhausted (and no proportionate monetary reward) there will be no passion left over..
@@必敗-e7m,it is system issues here and money is secondary.once the system is identify and implementation is paramount and now is the budgetary (money issues including staffs salary has to increase to closer to private practice).DR is human ,they need work,life and balance.
This podcast episode doesn't represent the majority of the medical doctors in malaysia, which most of them are in the government services, and definitely are underpaid. Majority of them do not have the opportunity to become specialist, and not all medical specialist choose to go to the private centers, simply because of the dedication to serve underprivileged Msians.
@ramziness Agree with majority of ur points except lack of opportunity. Nowadays almost all disciplines have alternative pathway. Even neurosurgery, urology etc have direct pathway. Previously one need to do general surgery before can sub in those field. If u talking about those who grad 20 years ago then yes. The new MO Nowadays have plenty of opportunities. Just that they are too protected. Work 60 hrs a week already write to press. The oldies like us did 80 to 100 hrs week.
good insight, looking at it from many angles. However, from this podcast everyone can notice he is a very senior doctor. To come to his level and to get to the salary he bring home, the amount of training is tremendous and it requires dedication and sacrifices. And kkm ecosystem has changed, training is very much jeopardized. it is definitely not as what Dr James said in this podcast. Our current generation are more interested in the money rather than gruelling with long hours of working to improve and come to the highest level. Even with the salary less than dr ali are making (well according to kkm) i am willing to continue to serve, but to be honest kkm is a sinking ship. Lack of leadership, being reactive mostly rather than visionary, the situation not gonna change.
Well said, it is very much depend on KKM Top management which did not wanted to change.why long hour work is the compulsories for houseman(lacking of sleep make wrong decision and encouraging substandard quality especially in surgeries). Malaysia government has given huge budget to health care every year and that doesn't benefits to healthcare government staffs.KKM must improve the quality of services and less waiting time for patients and sugary operation, everything is human factors and not willing to push harder to get to the targeted(money wrongly spend to unproductive areas).
If you have non-doctors steering the ship as a Captain, of course it will sink. It is heading to where the Captain had no clue but to rely on statistics to manage the ministry. 😂😂 It is occuring too often now than naught we had incompetency in both private and government sectors in Snr Mgmt. Main politic is the way to go now. It seems the motto "Just hire the specialist or competent people to perform the work" is across the Management board. The problem is, how do you identify if the specialist is competent or satay je if you have no clue yourself. Tadaa, it caused more incompetency. Bye 😂🎉
@@yengchai actually as long as the higher up want to amend the situation it doesnt matter they are doctors or non doctors. At higher administration in kkm we have people with MD or MBBS. They got pay same tangga gaji with clinician for attending meetings to try make the service better. The outcome is still the same. Its inbreed in the malaysian mentality, kerja celup celup gaji masih masuk mentality is the culprit. Hence the reactive to each single things rather than being visionary. The lack in leadership.
Just want to clarify something that some comments have brought up such as this is why private hospital bills / premiums are increasing. Consultants in Private Practice follow a strict guide that governs how much they can charge for a procedure. Consultants cannot charge more than what is specificed in this guide. And these charges have not changed since 2002. So... any increases in costs is unlikely to be due to consultants charging more.
@@amadeuslow9898 not so accurate with you statement. Doctor get pay from many ways. For example a patient go to a doctor, the doctor will charge consultation fee. Yes that is fix and the price is not extremely high if you look back to the bill. Then if the doctor perform certain procedure, then the doctor charge the “work done” and yes it is not that high. Then the medicine that prescribe to the patient, certain expensive drug doctor will get commission. Then the doctor will have to visit patient at ward. Simple calculation, if a doctor having 20 patient per day one patient he get 200 for 30 days it is 120k. Does 200 per patient consider expensive?
Bear in mind that he is a specialist.Most medical officers in government earn ~6k , with oncall rate rm9/hr for working from 8am till second day 12pm/5pm,with oncalls 1-2 times per week.Even random waiter earns more pay per hour. Still think dr earns a lot? Dr's work deals with life,not just any random job
@@meganuke9091 take that MO's earning and minus his time spend for studies + loan/ptptn/parents money for tuiton fees which can reach up to hundred of thousands of dollars based on universities and compared it to a waiter salary. U will get the answer
It is prudent to remember that those who "qualify" to study medicine are "gifted" and merit-ed, as they deal with human lives. There are many other ways to earn and make money. If financial remuneration is your objective, perhaps "re-consider" your career path and options. Not many of us appreciate a healthcare personnel who is #delulu. Thank you. #YOLO
@@meganuke9091 that rate 9.16/hour is their oncall elaun(means they stay in hospital for 28 hours at least),comparable to/lesser than any part time job u get outside -eg: starbuck 10/hr can read up about recent issue ,understaff,overwork and underpaid,a lot drs exit kkm to private and mogok basically ignored by goverment
@@meganuke9091 yes,the oncall elaun 9.16/hr is what they get for (work inhouse 28hr at least in hospital),to put into context,starbucks pay 10/hr otherwise the monthly salary dont tally with the workload and working hours can read up about recent issues : drs are overwork,underpaid. Many opted to exit KKM as there are so many issues,example not extending drs that served 7 years and etc.they just ignore drs mogok so public cant blame anyone for longer waiting time,more errors as they are the same group that belittle drs when they try to protect their rights
Also bare in mind, private doctors pay a huge amount in income tax. Not all of that money is disposable income. Plus the numbers might be eye popping for many but when you see how many rich ppl there are in this country (just look at the cars on the road and the houses in some areas), I can tell you they are not all doctors. Most of them aren't.
What you don't see: 5 years of medical school 2 years of housmanship (60+ hours/week at the lowest hierarchy) 2 years of medical officer (36-hour oncall RM9/hour, still low in the hierarchy. PTD can scold you) 4 years of general specialty training (Self-paid, self-directed, but the government can bond you) 1.5 years of gazettement (bureaucracy to delay your training) 3 years of fellowship training (intense, long working hours) 3-7 years of serving bonds as a consultant This path isn't necessarily worth it. Not many could make it
@MrMoneyTv Please make this into a series. Recently, doctors get the spotlight and rightly so. Other professions have their role to play in the society although they don’t save lives. However, the disparity between salaries and responsibilities of some profession can be surprising to some. It will be a great series to inform the audience of career choices and finance.
1. Not to mention the increasing medicolegal risks: if a private hospital doctor makes a single mistake, only one case and the patient files a lawsuit, the doctor could potentially lose a lifetime's worth of earnings. For example, in recent cases involving tonsil and appendix surgeries, millions were awarded to patients and their families. The doctor would then have to work tirelessly to repay these amounts. 2. Let's not forget that doctors and surgeons, whether in private or government sectors, are among the highest income tax contributors in the country. This is partly because their income falls within the highest tax bracket of 28-30%, with no options for tax evasion due to the tax system that prohibits them from operating under an Sdn Bhd structure. Additionally, most doctors have a reputation for being personable and agreeable, making them an easy target for tax audits.
Medical legal cases are settled by medical indemnity insurance. They will raise your premium a lot if you have had negligence suit. But premium is tax deductable. Many useless doctors that have caused death and permanent injury to patients are still practicing.
Don't need to go to these private doctors. The government hospital doctors are just, or may even be better, qualified. Hope the government will build more hospitals soon and be able to retain their doctors with better perks.
Great episode! Would love to see an episode for other career like pilot, offshore, architect, software engineer, etc. For pilot please invite captain JFK!
One of the best way is to change the government hospital to non- profit oriented hospital that run its own. Enroll citizen into national insurance plan using EPF money. Use insurance payout to cover hospitals fee.
Contrary to some assumptions, doctors in private hospitals do not typically earn RM 100,000 per month. In fact, verifiable data from government reports and industry surveys can provide a more accurate picture of doctors' earnings in Malaysia's private healthcare sector. Additionally, it is possible to bring real surgeons forward to disclose their actual income statements, though, for privacy reasons, their identities would need to be protected. For example, while a surgeon in a private hospital can sometimes make up to RM 50,000 in a single month, this is not a consistent figure every month. There are instances where a surgeon might earn as much as RM 70,000 to RM 80,000 during a particularly busy month, but in another month, their earnings might drop to as low as RM 15,000. This fluctuation is because working in private healthcare operates much like a business-income can vary significantly depending on the number of procedures, patient load, and other factors. In reality, for a private doctor to maintain an average monthly income of RM 30,000, that would already be considered quite high. It's essential to understand that while private healthcare can be lucrative, the income is not always as steady or predictable as some might assume.
Specialist training is a complex matter- local masters vs external exams, making sure prog with adequate training, while adding in the need to recognize via medical act.
This video had open the eyes to d public, Malaysia MOH is one of best that maintain standard n guidelines for health care to Malaysians. We r greatful. I had pts come from Indonesia,Drs qualified from Indonesia n at this group not at par with Malaysia 's trained dr. Ours are the best. I m proud of our programme n i respect them. I m a nurse. V work as a team n v share the passion in our field. V too support n comfort each other when save a pt failed despite full resuscitation done.
In the past, this country "lost" some very talented specialists due to education limitations for their offsprings. Remember, doctors in government service are humans too, they too have families and a future they need to plan for. Talents go global, especially a "borderless" industry such as healthcare. It takes at least 2 generations to replenish those lost talents.
This interview is entirely misleading and poorly conducted. Your portrayal does not accurately reflect the true state of Malaysia's healthcare system and, in fact, exacerbates the challenges faced by doctors who are already under immense pressure. Firstly, not all doctors transition to private practice, nor do all specialists earn RM 300-400k per month. While it is true that some doctors in private practice achieve such earnings, it is important to note that many others, especially those in the public sector, do not. A senior consultant or specialist with over 15 years of experience serving in the government sector, providing care to the community for a nominal registration fee of RM 1-5, typically earns a fixed salary of only RM 15k-20k per month. The number of such consultants is not large. The general salary scale in the government sector is as follows: - Houseman (0-2 years): RM 3k-4k - Medical Officer (2 to >10 years): RM 4k-7k - Specialist (10 years+): RM 7k-10k - Consultant (>15 years): RM 10k-20k By allowing your interviewee to generalize the earnings of all doctors in such a way, you risk creating a public misconception that government doctors are greedy when they advocate for better compensation. Secondly, you asked your interviewee which fields deal with life and death the most, and he responded with neurosurgery, orthopedics, and trauma. This is both confusing and misleading. Every medical specialty deals with life and death. By endorsing his narrow perspective, you mislead your audience into believing that only surgeons play a critical role. In reality, the majority of patients are managed by non-surgical teams, including primary care doctors, internal medicine specialists, and pediatricians, among others. During the COVID-19 pandemic, who were the professionals dealing with life and death? It was not only surgeons but everyone in the medical field. Please refrain from asking questions that diminish the contributions of non-surgical teams. Thirdly, your concluding remark, "Now I want to become a doctor," is tone-deaf. If you genuinely mean it, welcome to the profession. However, it is worth noting that fewer people aspire to become doctors due to the ongoing struggle to improve salaries for government doctors, whose maximum salary cap upon retirement is around RM 20k. Posting this video only adds insult to injury. In conclusion, I suggest that you invite more representative voices to your platform, such as the leader of Hartal Doctor, Schomos MMA (a fair, vocal, and true leader like Dr. Timothy Cheng), or even the Health Minister. Perhaps you should also invite this interviewee back for a discussion on the monetary aspects. It would be enlightening to see how inaccurate your interview truly is.
For doctors who are genuinely committed to serving the community within the government sector, the current pay scheme makes it incredibly challenging for them to survive. This is due to several key reasons: Reason 1: Upon graduation, even those who have studied at local universities are burdened with substantial debt. - Tuition Fee Loans: These can range from RM 100,000 to RM 1,000,000 for an undergraduate course. - Specialist Training: If they choose to pursue a master's degree to become a specialist, they are often required to sign a contract that binds them for 5-7 years or face a penalty of RM 500,000 to RM 1,000,000. - Work Assignments: Over the years, they are frequently assigned to district hospitals or transferred to other states due to the demands of public hospitals. While a "housing allowance" is provided, it often falls short, covering less than 50% of the accommodation costs required to serve these communities. Reason 2: The path to becoming a doctor requires significant personal sacrifice. - Education: They must dedicate five crucial years of their 20s to undergraduate studies. - Career Progression: Afterward, they spend another decade working grueling on-call shifts of over 20 hours a day just to climb the professional ladder. Shockingly, their on-call rate is a mere RM 9 to RM 15 per hour. To put this in perspective, even a computer repair technician can earn RM 50 for simply formatting a PC. Reason 3: Public perception of doctors' earnings is grossly misguided, leading to a decline in patient appreciation for public doctors. Your decision to glorify an ENT surgeon in private practice only adds to this insensitivity. However, there is a silver lining in this video, should one be astute enough to recognize the glaring discrepancy between the earnings of private doctors, who can make RM 400k, and government doctors, who earn as little as RM 3-4k (with consultants making RM 15-20k). The real question becomes whether you are advocating for everyone to join the private sector, which would force the public to pay exorbitant fees for even minor ailments, or whether you are encouraging the community to stand with local doctors in demanding better salaries for government doctors. Narrowing the gap between private and government sector salaries would help retain more doctors in the public sector, ensuring they continue to serve the community rather than being driven to the private sector. Do you wish to be seen as a hero or a villain in this narrative? Please consider your position carefully, Mr. Money.
I know of lots of doctors who work in private because 1. Better pay. Let’s be honest, why should they earn 15-20k/month in government when they can make 100k/month in private? 2. Efficiency. You can get any blood results or scans done quick, no delay in results. Efficiency translate into better patient outcomes. 3. Better control of your working hours. You can to a degree control the number of hours you work. To simplify, the more hours you work, the more procedures/consultations and hence more earnings. It is not up to private practice doctors to narrow the gap between private and government sector. That is the duty of the government and the medical associations/council.
Saying that between business and medicine , he chose medicine because can always do business . Speak volumes of his primary intentions and commitments. “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.” Why not interview a REAL government specialist doctor to portray a realistic picture of what’s happening on the ground. Those with sincere intentions and remained in public service. Not someone using social media to promote his own clinic and plucking numbers out of the air . My 2 cents 🤟🏻
Specialty training in private sector wont work since these are the same junior doctors required to serve in government settings. Who will be paying their salaries? Of course the government won’t be paying for them to serve in private sector (when government also doesn’t have enough MO numbers) and of course not the private hospital since they are profit making businesses especially with the risk of medicolegal issues that comes with it. Doesn’t matter medical or surgical based, training for specialist can only be done with years of hands on experience. The guest also points out very important point, there is just not enough cases / complex cases for the junior Drs to train on in private hospitals.
As a Dr for 12 years and a trainee now, must say a long awaited open discussions with facts and figures. Points out the long hours of work, sleepless night, the balance between family and work, while having other colleagues peak earlier in their careers. Long journey yes, but rewarding at the end as a whole. Bravo to team, for the advice and prospects given.
consultant deserves high pay as it takes lots of money, dedication, discipline, training, stress, and social sacrifice to reach that stage - that only very few people can endure.
I'm all for rewards that suit the effort and I understand that the journey to be a doctor is a long, hard, winding and expensive road... When I was young, i knew that to be a doctor is to be in an honorable and respected profession... However, in recent times, I often hear parents suggesting to their kids to be a doctor because "you can earn a lot", "you can be super rich", etc... Coupled with numerous instances when I hear doctors recommending surgeries for seemingly trivial/superficial/not-too-serious issues (I know I'm just a lay man with zero medical knowledge), i began developing a sense of mistrust on doctors.... surgeries used to be the last resort after trying lifestyle changes or medications, etc but now seems like the first thing to do for a quick fix... As mentioned in the video (i watched the whole thing), private sector doctors earn more the more they see patients and do procedures/surgeries/etc... which may (or may not, depending on the doctor's initial reason to be one) push the doctor to lean towards a profit driven mindset... Which led me to question... are they recommending these surgeries/procedures/medical products or drugs based on a profit driven mindset or do they really have the patient's best interest at heart? So the question now is, how can we identify a profit driven doctor from one that has our best interest at heart? Can you make a video on that?
Always ask for second opinion when In doubt, if most doctors share the same opinion then it should be safe to consider it's necessary to do the surgery
Good and informative interview for next generation doctors and current housemen. For younger generation doctors,don’t stop and leave your field too early ,don’t be calculative in work ,passion should be the main thing to succeed.
This is actually a bullshit interview. You might as well interview the Prime minister and ask him about the salary and put the topic as how much actually malaysian earning
Housemanship as you call it or internship as it's called elsewhere is learning on the job or practical training to expand one's knowledge and to gain wider experience, there is usually a senior doctor or consultant around to take second opinion or refer to if there are complications. Many junior doctors doing their internship have to work 80-100 hours a week (including being on duty within the hospital in case there is a call)
Housemanship now is 60-62 hours/week. They have better life than medical officer. Until government decides to stop pampering houseman, quality is deteriorating.
If everything he said is to be taken at face value. He is in the minority.....this interview gives a serious misconception about private doctors....go get a respectable dr who is willing to give you an interview
Nurses and heathcare staff also play an important role in the medical field. Unfortunately, they are suffering quietly in their working environment, with understaff and low numeration reward and increment, as well as lacking support from the professional body and the government as well as the medical clinic/hospital. Why are we paying the exorbitant fees for the medical service?
The solution for underpaid Ministry of Health (MOH) staffs (PPK, MLT, JM, SN, Dr) is simple: Start charging patients for the consumables items or maybe half or even 20% of the cost price would make a HUGE difference. Sadly, this will hardly ever happen (you know why).
The "easily rm100k a month" is a very serious misleading...A specialist in government only can earn around rm10k..if is that easily rm100k a month, i am pretty sure at least half of the specialists in government already left kkm..
@@teohjc i still believe he is being honest since its really easy for him to make, but not necessarily others especially in medical based specialty. To give you a context, rhinoplasty which he does mostly can be completed in about an hour, and he charge at least, minimum let say cincai 10K for each procedure (should be much more, even lower section for delivery also already cost higher). Doing 10 a month is definitely not impossible..since in private settings, he probably do these surgeries on others non medically indicated cases as well. Its very true that some of private Drs makes up to that amount/more..but some especially medical based specialists can only earn around 20- 30K a month if they don’t do any surgeries. And..its also true actually more than half of the specialists in government already left kkm.
If you choose to do specialisations you have to be ready to make a lot of sacrifices. Not everyone managed to pass the exams. You're not guaranteed to succeed and pass your exams. Work environment can be toxic and demanding. A lot of bully issue you may face when working as a HO. Not to mention nowadays you are working as a contract MO.
My brother, who runs a small accountancy firm, spends 100k per mth every month, not counting the 20+ staff salaries. That's why medicine is not a 1st choice of study no more. My niece with straight As' is taking physiotherapy. Generally, they earn more than doctors
Is not easy to be a specialist doctor(study hard+long time work hour)...a specialist doctor work in goverment hospital,he/she salary should be at least above 30k per month. They deserve that paycheck.
@@TheBubleTea Too bad in government sectors ur promotion is time-based. Specialist get extra allowances which if I’m not mistaken ~2-3k and thats all. So a senior non specialist doctor can have higher pay than a junior specialist doctor. With this contract doctor system (which was purposely intended to drag the salary progression, reduce numbers of government doctors, due to limited healthcare budget), a junior specialist can get as low as 8-9k.. Oncall rate is the same of ~RM10/hr during the weekends probably RM15-17/hr during weekdays..
Pay wise & responsibilities if u compare with DR and lawyer... I think lawyer would have a better advantage. Lawyer's win or fail the case still receive payment. If a DR screwed up a case will end up being sued or lose the DR license.
It's like saying that business graduates earns a lot money because the top graduates who are successful businessman or CEO earns millions... Most doctors are either top of their cohort academically to qualify for local medical schools or have to spend a million ringgit overseas to get the degree . Among them , majority will become medical officers or GP .. some will become specialists ...of which la large group will stay on in the government . The private specialist make up a small group of the total number of doctors in Malaysia . And in addition to understanding that they are the top, they have spent many years training n working in government and most only starting work in private near age 40.
Mixing private and public service all together makes a conflict of interest. Imagine during public service hour, for reasons to make money, never even register the patients for operations and make them panic that they need to wait and make a bank load from them referring to private service to a friend or themselves. What you all think?
Can I ask how much is Mr Money making ?? Income is personal and confidential. Do not generalise. This is inappropriate. What is with the obsession with doctor salary ?
My first thought was ,wooow, there are so many sick people that can make specialists or doctors earn good money. No doubt some patients have cash or medical card to pay famous specialists, but still the greatest wealth or money saving is to stay healthy always. Have a quality of life starts now, this doctor also already said he is yearning for.
You know if i have a complicated health problem. Its still HUKL will be my choice. Especially the list of doctors they have and experience of multiple surgeons per consultantion makes it more accurate
Like he said, some only…not most…not even average….according to his logic of “some”, some doctors in singapore earn million SGD. majority of doctors pay is lower than even average pay of singaporean
As a medical officer (non specialist) i have no plans to specialise cos ive seen how hard those specialist work, yes they earn a lot of money in private, but they also work very hard, they dun have time to spend the money they earned, unless u really love ur job (which for me after covid i dun love as much). i think i can get better ROI for my time with stock investing, this isnt a typical route most doctors are taking, in fact i dunno any of my peers whos doing this, but i have a deep interest in stock investing, and so far i can understand concepts and evaluate companies well, i dun recomend this for other people, but just want to point out that specialization isnt the only choice for doctors
I wud say if u Wan to go into stock investing, I'm personally in bursa cos I'm more familiar with msia company vs US company, and bursa isn't as competitive vs US market, but I wud say u need to be proactive, read a lot and also constantly learning
The real reason insurance premiums keep going up is from 2 sources. The hospital fees and the investors' expectations of earnings from the hospital/ insurance companies returns of investment every year ..please get your facts right. Again i point out ....private specialists fees has been the same since 2013...yes 2013. Bar a few updates here and there
You can buy one house per year. By retirement you would have 50 houses. 5000x50 =RM 250,000 permonth retirement money. Plus all house assets worth RM 100 millions. Then you die. Your children and wives will spend them.
I presume senior doctors making 100k a month. Junior not even a quarter. Meaning 45yr old doctors. Means 10more years to retirement. By retirement have 10million in a bank account.
What do you expect when the government doesn't charge its patients? Try getting medical service in the US where there is no prevalent free public healthcare.
Not sure why everyone is surprised that specialist are making 60k a month. Thats actually on the low end. Tons of ObGyn and cardiologists make easily 500k upwards a month . They have dedicated at least 20 years of their life studying . So its not surprising that they have one of the highest income.
@@yewkl912 Yup. A baby is born almost everyday. And Malaysia has one of the highest cases of heart problems. Check out the costs to insert 1 stent then u will understand why they make so much
Government are trying their best to retain specialist in the system by allowing them to work 4 days per week. 1 day off for private practice. And government specialists have an army of support staff. So it isn't just about money after all. 20k a mth is not exactly poor mind u 😂😂
@user-ss4im8ce6n I dunno where u gt ur facts frm. Please verify again. It is true if u saying MO pay. Bt a specialist will jump to UD 54 straight and within 5 years to 56.
You cherry 🍒 picked a random young starting-out-doctor of dubious standing to interview to increase your viewing rating reflected your sincerity of educating your public!
Does any Doctor in MY know the HYPOCRITICAL OATH? It is all about MONEY. Malaysia Government Sector is SO POOR with Malaysians getting their degrees overseas and many from Ukraine. Private Hospitals are no better except more facilities and perhaps a clever Doctor. BUT< Malaysia does NOT have the DRUGS for treatment in Government Hospitals and have to access from the Private Hospitals or travelling to Singapore for treatment. If you SAKIT - PRAY to GOD you can afford the Medical Treatment or MATI!!!!!!
When such interviews are aired , we have the public thinking that doctors are taking in money . What is lost is that the word doctor covers such a large and diverse group . It's like saying the top politician s in the country on average can earn a few hundred millions in their lifetime .. and everyone ones to be a politician ... But we have that ordinary member of a political party to committee member of small town .. And we have different political parties ..some of which are irrelevant ... At least all those politicians don't have to spend a million ringgit to get a degree ..
the title should be renamed to “Private Doctors” instead of “Doctors”. You are basically giving the wrong impression to people by generalising the title.
Please dont forget about the medicolegal risk that comes with it. Having spend half of your lifetime to reach this then suddenly a patient died under ur supervision. Sued 4 million. Bye2. Balik kampung terus.
"Lack of manpower", on that, can I help? 34 y.o. in software and have everything except not that wealthy, but I hate what I do. Can I start working towards a career change to be a doctor? My motivation is not money, but for the thrills. I hate software despite being good at it. Real-life blood, gore, and bodies don't faze me but make me excited. Is it too late for me to change my career?
It’s not going to be a fun journey. Medical school, HOship, etc. Not to mention the cost involved. If you think you can go thru that then more power to you!
Tbh its never too late but u need 5 years medical school (then 39 years old), and waiting 1-2 years before employed as Houseman (age 40-41 years old), then u go through housemanship around 2 years if no issue (then 42-43 years old). Only after housemanship will u be fully registered as a doctor but still need to follow orders. Housemanship also will drain u physically and mentally so some people (like me) might be ready to see the everything and save the world but get burnout in the end being the lowest of the low 😂 I would suggest getting into being a medical assistant if thrill is what ur after. Its faster and thrilling too. Less hectic. But all the best to you though. It can happen.
It’s always those who gung ho over blood and gore don’t phase me that later become numb and unable to provide even the most simple of assistance when actual emergencies come in. Fucking joker
They are the causes of hiking medical fees and treatment as well as your medical insurance premium. They learned from patient from initial phase and eventually 'slaughtered' them with high medical fees. Hard work and long working hours are not excuses or reasons for you to serve your patients. Admit it you study medicine for MONEY.
Doctors fees are governed by the MMA schedule ( not updated for the past 13 years ) which you can refer online, doctors charges are capped. whereas private hospitals charges are unregulated, which has been rising steadily over the years. The rise in premium can be attributed to the rising hospital charges, whereby they made a huge profit year on year
@@FTS80TSF Who decide when to discharge when long stay is not necessary? Who decide to refer other discipline when is not necessary? Who decide to order investigations when is not necessary? Why charge 1 box of glove when only use 1 pair? Some practices are uncommon when in government hospital. Children are well after few days but keep them in the hospital until the charges become maximum (pediatric under insurance cases).
its usually 2 to 4 hours to see the doctor but the pharmacy is always far worse that exceed 3 hours. The worse, government pharmacy cheats medicine amount lots of the times. They also forced you to collect medicine every month although the doctor appointment is between 3-6 months. Why they cant give you full meds amount till the next appointment because many patients come from faraway more than 100km away? The doctor cant meddle on pharmacy decisions! The pharmacist are rude in government hospitals too. If you ask everyone, most people will say government sectors are far too worse than private in every aspect. The hospitals have rooms and beds for doctors to sleep in. We are not in the 80s anymore. There is no longer 36 hours no sleep BS, all lies. Lets face the fact, government sectors workers doesnt care much because they draw less pay. Another reason that they refused to jump into private sectors is they lack of confidence.
At this rate....good luck to all Malaysians to find a good doctor in 10 to 15 years. I myself have considered looking at Thailand and Singapore for future treatment because of the decline in standards and treatment of our specialists. Most of out bright and clever ones are NOT doing medicine anymore. Did he fail to mention the dearth of 'unqualified ' medical graduates flooding the housemanship till one has to wait for years to do your housemanship training....yes years
Hey public, next time when u sick and no money, who will u find? Gov or private? Salute those dr who stays in Gov instead of earning 300-400k per month in private
Completely wrong. Hospital charges are also significant and our health insurance system is maintained by BNM. Most people have insurance so the fee system works accordingly, very rarely are there cash patients unless it involves aesthetics and cosmetic medicine. Private practice is like the name suggests, private. You DONT have to go to private medical centers.
Please compare the healthcare insurance policies as well as other insurance policies with those of "other first world" countries. There is an urgent need for the insurance companies in this country to carry some weight now before it is too late. #legacy #rebirth
not bad la but got crypto bros in KL also can take home 70-100k a month these days and still in early 30s and only work 4-5 hours a day, globalisation changed the game
If you talk to the majority of medical officers working in the public health sectors you might see a different picture - you'll get a lot of shit in your career path definitely it's not an easy path, even if you have passion for the career/profession.
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I suggest you invite gov doctors next or owners of clinic to hear their perspectives as well 😊
Yup that’s the plan. Haha 🤣
@@putriashikin3129 I would say there will be difficulties for them to expose the truth due to their current positions as public servants
It takes time and sacrifice to be good isn’t it. I think the same as all other jobs. If you become really good, you end up rolling your own gig - you can earn alot too.
I agree @putriashikin3129.
Please take into account perspectives from government docs and primary care practitioners…
To paint a better picture of the reality in healthcare sector
Gov dr here
My wife was a scoliosis patient in UMSC last year, undergoing a surgery under private. The surgeon operated two days per week. Each day there were about 8 patients that he needs to operate.
On that day of surgery, the doctor started operating at 8am. My wife was the second last patient of the day at 7pm. The doctor continued to operate the last patient at 9pm. The surgeon popped by my wife's bed at 1145pm to check on her. And the next morning at 8am, he was checking my wife's progress again!
Doctor is a noble job. I admire the team who work relentlessly to help the patients. Till day, i am very grateful for whatever the doctor has done for my wife.
@@brandonling9663 i agree. It sounds cliche as i am a doctor myself. The monetary benefits that come with it is good but should not be the first driving point to pursue it as career. One s just wont survive the workload.
This is the issue. However im 100% agree that doctor in kkm is underpaid.
The most satisfying part as government dr is helping patients who can ill afford private fee and really greatful for the help. Bt as he rightly mention, the non clinical work really a push factors
Hopefully government can implement a great system that retains great talent in government services. It’s gonna be challenging but it certainly great long term investment 👍👍
Staying in gov practice will lead to least some administrative work
Workload is not just double but quadruple quintuple but pay is from double to 10 times and above.. When u are extremely exhausted (and no proportionate monetary reward) there will be no passion left over..
@@必敗-e7m,it is system issues here and money is secondary.once the system is identify and implementation is paramount and now is the budgetary (money issues including staffs salary has to increase to closer to private practice).DR is human ,they need work,life and balance.
Gov sector, make mistake, gov get sued. Safer for individuals, that is why you get both altruistic doctors and also useless doctors in gov
This podcast episode doesn't represent the majority of the medical doctors in malaysia, which most of them are in the government services, and definitely are underpaid. Majority of them do not have the opportunity to become specialist, and not all medical specialist choose to go to the private centers, simply because of the dedication to serve underprivileged Msians.
Yes. Totally agree. And I think healthcare staff in government should be paid more. It’s crazy to hear the responsibility they have to undertake.
@@MrMoneyTValso the Healthcare staff and nurses in the private hospital too
@ramziness Agree with majority of ur points except lack of opportunity. Nowadays almost all disciplines have alternative pathway. Even neurosurgery, urology etc have direct pathway. Previously one need to do general surgery before can sub in those field. If u talking about those who grad 20 years ago then yes. The new MO Nowadays have plenty of opportunities. Just that they are too protected. Work 60 hrs a week already write to press. The oldies like us did 80 to 100 hrs week.
Now this is someone talking out of their ass. Absolute garbage.
good insight, looking at it from many angles. However, from this podcast everyone can notice he is a very senior doctor. To come to his level and to get to the salary he bring home, the amount of training is tremendous and it requires dedication and sacrifices. And kkm ecosystem has changed, training is very much jeopardized. it is definitely not as what Dr James said in this podcast. Our current generation are more interested in the money rather than gruelling with long hours of working to improve and come to the highest level. Even with the salary less than dr ali are making (well according to kkm) i am willing to continue to serve, but to be honest kkm is a sinking ship. Lack of leadership, being reactive mostly rather than visionary, the situation not gonna change.
Well said, it is very much depend on KKM Top management which did not wanted to change.why long hour work is the compulsories for houseman(lacking of sleep make wrong decision and encouraging substandard quality especially in surgeries). Malaysia government has given huge budget to health care every year and that doesn't benefits to healthcare government staffs.KKM must improve the quality of services and less waiting time for patients and sugary operation, everything is human factors and not willing to push harder to get to the targeted(money wrongly spend to unproductive areas).
If you have non-doctors steering the ship as a Captain, of course it will sink. It is heading to where the Captain had no clue but to rely on statistics to manage the ministry. 😂😂
It is occuring too often now than naught we had incompetency in both private and government sectors in Snr Mgmt. Main politic is the way to go now. It seems the motto "Just hire the specialist or competent people to perform the work" is across the Management board. The problem is, how do you identify if the specialist is competent or satay je if you have no clue yourself. Tadaa, it caused more incompetency. Bye 😂🎉
@@yengchai actually as long as the higher up want to amend the situation it doesnt matter they are doctors or non doctors. At higher administration in kkm we have people with MD or MBBS. They got pay same tangga gaji with clinician for attending meetings to try make the service better. The outcome is still the same. Its inbreed in the malaysian mentality, kerja celup celup gaji masih masuk mentality is the culprit. Hence the reactive to each single things rather than being visionary. The lack in leadership.
Just want to clarify something that some comments have brought up such as this is why private hospital bills / premiums are increasing. Consultants in Private Practice follow a strict guide that governs how much they can charge for a procedure. Consultants cannot charge more than what is specificed in this guide. And these charges have not changed since 2002. So... any increases in costs is unlikely to be due to consultants charging more.
meaning 2002 already set a super high standard looking into the future 30-50 years
@@amadeuslow9898 not so accurate with you statement. Doctor get pay from many ways. For example a patient go to a doctor, the doctor will charge consultation fee. Yes that is fix and the price is not extremely high if you look back to the bill. Then if the doctor perform certain procedure, then the doctor charge the “work done” and yes it is not that high. Then the medicine that prescribe to the patient, certain expensive drug doctor will get commission. Then the doctor will have to visit patient at ward. Simple calculation, if a doctor having 20 patient per day one patient he get 200 for 30 days it is 120k. Does 200 per patient consider expensive?
Bear in mind that he is a specialist.Most medical officers in government earn ~6k , with oncall rate rm9/hr for working from 8am till second day 12pm/5pm,with oncalls 1-2 times per week.Even random waiter earns more pay per hour. Still think dr earns a lot? Dr's work deals with life,not just any random job
You sure random waiter earn more than doctor because some waiter I know in my area earn 40 ringgit per day not hour. With zero benefits.
@@meganuke9091 take that MO's earning and minus his time spend for studies + loan/ptptn/parents money for tuiton fees which can reach up to hundred of thousands of dollars based on universities and compared it to a waiter salary. U will get the answer
It is prudent to remember that those who "qualify" to study medicine are "gifted" and
merit-ed, as they deal with human lives. There are many other ways to earn and make money. If financial remuneration is your objective, perhaps "re-consider" your career path and options. Not many of us appreciate a healthcare personnel who is #delulu. Thank you. #YOLO
@@meganuke9091 that rate 9.16/hour is their oncall elaun(means they stay in hospital for 28 hours at least),comparable to/lesser than any part time job u get outside -eg: starbuck 10/hr
can read up about recent issue ,understaff,overwork and underpaid,a lot drs exit kkm to private and mogok basically ignored by goverment
@@meganuke9091 yes,the oncall elaun 9.16/hr is what they get for (work inhouse 28hr at least in hospital),to put into context,starbucks pay 10/hr
otherwise the monthly salary dont tally with the workload and working hours
can read up about recent issues : drs are overwork,underpaid. Many opted to exit KKM as there are so many issues,example not extending drs that served 7 years and etc.they just ignore drs mogok
so public cant blame anyone for longer waiting time,more errors as they are the same group that belittle drs when they try to protect their rights
Also bare in mind, private doctors pay a huge amount in income tax. Not all of that money is disposable income. Plus the numbers might be eye popping for many but when you see how many rich ppl there are in this country (just look at the cars on the road and the houses in some areas), I can tell you they are not all doctors. Most of them aren't.
Doctors are slaves at the end of the day.
What you don't see:
5 years of medical school
2 years of housmanship (60+ hours/week at the lowest hierarchy)
2 years of medical officer (36-hour oncall RM9/hour, still low in the hierarchy. PTD can scold you)
4 years of general specialty training (Self-paid, self-directed, but the government can bond you)
1.5 years of gazettement (bureaucracy to delay your training)
3 years of fellowship training (intense, long working hours)
3-7 years of serving bonds as a consultant
This path isn't necessarily worth it. Not many could make it
Gazetment 1.5 years? Nope. It is 6 months
@@sureshnaidu201 maybe the whole process of bureaucracy
To earn money with less effort, become lawyer better actually.
Realistically, how many can make it to 100k per month in any profession? 100k is CEO already. How many CEO's are there in the country?
The saliva got to be sweet and smell like channel.@standardnnn6064
@MrMoneyTv Please make this into a series. Recently, doctors get the spotlight and rightly so. Other professions have their role to play in the society although they don’t save lives. However, the disparity between salaries and responsibilities of some profession can be surprising to some. It will be a great series to inform the audience of career choices and finance.
That’s a great idea!! How much they earn!
1. Not to mention the increasing medicolegal risks: if a private hospital doctor makes a single mistake, only one case and the patient files a lawsuit, the doctor could potentially lose a lifetime's worth of earnings. For example, in recent cases involving tonsil and appendix surgeries, millions were awarded to patients and their families. The doctor would then have to work tirelessly to repay these amounts.
2. Let's not forget that doctors and surgeons, whether in private or government sectors, are among the highest income tax contributors in the country. This is partly because their income falls within the highest tax bracket of 28-30%, with no options for tax evasion due to the tax system that prohibits them from operating under an Sdn Bhd structure. Additionally, most doctors have a reputation for being personable and agreeable, making them an easy target for tax audits.
Medical legal cases are settled by medical indemnity insurance. They will raise your premium a lot if you have had negligence suit. But premium is tax deductable. Many useless doctors that have caused death and permanent injury to patients are still practicing.
Tax avoidance*
@standardnnn6064 even indemnity has a limit. For example the tonsil case, that anesthetist only cover up to 1m. The rest, she have to pay
I'm a medical officer Gred UD52 I earned max RM 8k a month. My starting salary back in 2014 was RM 4.3k.
u are government doctor. private doctor pay very high
Do u feel satisfied? Feel underpaid?
RM8k is considered a lot. People don't realize most Malaysians only earn an average of RM 5.5k.
Don't need to go to these private doctors.
The government hospital doctors are just, or may even be better, qualified.
Hope the government will build more hospitals soon and be able to retain their doctors with better perks.
Great episode! Would love to see an episode for other career like pilot, offshore, architect, software engineer, etc. For pilot please invite captain JFK!
One of the best way is to change the government hospital to non- profit oriented hospital that run its own. Enroll citizen into national insurance plan using EPF money. Use insurance payout to cover hospitals fee.
Contrary to some assumptions, doctors in private hospitals do not typically earn RM 100,000 per month. In fact, verifiable data from government reports and industry surveys can provide a more accurate picture of doctors' earnings in Malaysia's private healthcare sector. Additionally, it is possible to bring real surgeons forward to disclose their actual income statements, though, for privacy reasons, their identities would need to be protected.
For example, while a surgeon in a private hospital can sometimes make up to RM 50,000 in a single month, this is not a consistent figure every month. There are instances where a surgeon might earn as much as RM 70,000 to RM 80,000 during a particularly busy month, but in another month, their earnings might drop to as low as RM 15,000. This fluctuation is because working in private healthcare operates much like a business-income can vary significantly depending on the number of procedures, patient load, and other factors.
In reality, for a private doctor to maintain an average monthly income of RM 30,000, that would already be considered quite high. It's essential to understand that while private healthcare can be lucrative, the income is not always as steady or predictable as some might assume.
10 years ago i saw my client's payslips, a brain surgeon with private hospital in jb making rm100k ++ a month
Specialist training is a complex matter- local masters vs external exams, making sure prog with adequate training, while adding in the need to recognize via medical act.
This video had open the eyes to d public, Malaysia MOH is one of best that maintain standard n guidelines for health care to Malaysians. We r greatful. I had pts come from Indonesia,Drs qualified from Indonesia n at this group not at par with Malaysia 's trained dr. Ours are the best. I m proud of our programme n i respect them. I m a nurse. V work as a team n v share the passion in our field. V too support n comfort each other when save a pt failed despite full resuscitation done.
Doctor that take 100k back home deserve it as it is really hard earn money. No joke. Not everyone can take the stress.
In the past, this country "lost" some very talented specialists due to education limitations for their offsprings. Remember, doctors in government service are humans too, they too have families and a future they need to plan for. Talents go global, especially a "borderless" industry such as healthcare. It takes at least 2 generations to replenish those lost talents.
Thank you for the insights from this episode!
This interview is entirely misleading and poorly conducted. Your portrayal does not accurately reflect the true state of Malaysia's healthcare system and, in fact, exacerbates the challenges faced by doctors who are already under immense pressure.
Firstly, not all doctors transition to private practice, nor do all specialists earn RM 300-400k per month. While it is true that some doctors in private practice achieve such earnings, it is important to note that many others, especially those in the public sector, do not. A senior consultant or specialist with over 15 years of experience serving in the government sector, providing care to the community for a nominal registration fee of RM 1-5, typically earns a fixed salary of only RM 15k-20k per month. The number of such consultants is not large. The general salary scale in the government sector is as follows:
- Houseman (0-2 years): RM 3k-4k
- Medical Officer (2 to >10 years): RM 4k-7k
- Specialist (10 years+): RM 7k-10k
- Consultant (>15 years): RM 10k-20k
By allowing your interviewee to generalize the earnings of all doctors in such a way, you risk creating a public misconception that government doctors are greedy when they advocate for better compensation.
Secondly, you asked your interviewee which fields deal with life and death the most, and he responded with neurosurgery, orthopedics, and trauma. This is both confusing and misleading. Every medical specialty deals with life and death. By endorsing his narrow perspective, you mislead your audience into believing that only surgeons play a critical role. In reality, the majority of patients are managed by non-surgical teams, including primary care doctors, internal medicine specialists, and pediatricians, among others. During the COVID-19 pandemic, who were the professionals dealing with life and death? It was not only surgeons but everyone in the medical field. Please refrain from asking questions that diminish the contributions of non-surgical teams.
Thirdly, your concluding remark, "Now I want to become a doctor," is tone-deaf. If you genuinely mean it, welcome to the profession. However, it is worth noting that fewer people aspire to become doctors due to the ongoing struggle to improve salaries for government doctors, whose maximum salary cap upon retirement is around RM 20k. Posting this video only adds insult to injury.
In conclusion, I suggest that you invite more representative voices to your platform, such as the leader of Hartal Doctor, Schomos MMA (a fair, vocal, and true leader like Dr. Timothy Cheng), or even the Health Minister. Perhaps you should also invite this interviewee back for a discussion on the monetary aspects. It would be enlightening to see how inaccurate your interview truly is.
For doctors who are genuinely committed to serving the community within the government sector, the current pay scheme makes it incredibly challenging for them to survive. This is due to several key reasons:
Reason 1: Upon graduation, even those who have studied at local universities are burdened with substantial debt.
- Tuition Fee Loans: These can range from RM 100,000 to RM 1,000,000 for an undergraduate course.
- Specialist Training: If they choose to pursue a master's degree to become a specialist, they are often required to sign a contract that binds them for 5-7 years or face a penalty of RM 500,000 to RM 1,000,000.
- Work Assignments: Over the years, they are frequently assigned to district hospitals or transferred to other states due to the demands of public hospitals. While a "housing allowance" is provided, it often falls short, covering less than 50% of the accommodation costs required to serve these communities.
Reason 2: The path to becoming a doctor requires significant personal sacrifice.
- Education: They must dedicate five crucial years of their 20s to undergraduate studies.
- Career Progression: Afterward, they spend another decade working grueling on-call shifts of over 20 hours a day just to climb the professional ladder. Shockingly, their on-call rate is a mere RM 9 to RM 15 per hour. To put this in perspective, even a computer repair technician can earn RM 50 for simply formatting a PC.
Reason 3: Public perception of doctors' earnings is grossly misguided, leading to a decline in patient appreciation for public doctors. Your decision to glorify an ENT surgeon in private practice only adds to this insensitivity.
However, there is a silver lining in this video, should one be astute enough to recognize the glaring discrepancy between the earnings of private doctors, who can make RM 400k, and government doctors, who earn as little as RM 3-4k (with consultants making RM 15-20k).
The real question becomes whether you are advocating for everyone to join the private sector, which would force the public to pay exorbitant fees for even minor ailments, or whether you are encouraging the community to stand with local doctors in demanding better salaries for government doctors. Narrowing the gap between private and government sector salaries would help retain more doctors in the public sector, ensuring they continue to serve the community rather than being driven to the private sector.
Do you wish to be seen as a hero or a villain in this narrative? Please consider your position carefully, Mr. Money.
@@leonardchow-h5i thank you for your comments..i hope your comment is read & highlighted by mr money.
Why so long the comment? Summarize better ma
I know of lots of doctors who work in private because
1. Better pay. Let’s be honest, why should they earn 15-20k/month in government when they can make 100k/month in private?
2. Efficiency. You can get any blood results or scans done quick, no delay in results. Efficiency translate into better patient outcomes.
3. Better control of your working hours. You can to a degree control the number of hours you work. To simplify, the more hours you work, the more procedures/consultations and hence more earnings.
It is not up to private practice doctors to narrow the gap between private and government sector. That is the duty of the government and the medical associations/council.
@@tankgod888 Sorry, not good at summarizing. Perhaps you can help me thank you
Saying that between business and medicine , he chose medicine because can always do business . Speak volumes of his primary intentions and commitments. “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.”
Why not interview a REAL government specialist doctor to portray a realistic picture of what’s happening on the ground. Those with sincere intentions and remained in public service. Not someone using social media to promote his own clinic and plucking numbers out of the air . My 2 cents 🤟🏻
WELL SAID !
You are lucky, this doctor is very “honest” in answering your question.
Specialty training in private sector wont work since these are the same junior doctors required to serve in government settings. Who will be paying their salaries? Of course the government won’t be paying for them to serve in private sector (when government also doesn’t have enough MO numbers) and of course not the private hospital since they are profit making businesses especially with the risk of medicolegal issues that comes with it. Doesn’t matter medical or surgical based, training for specialist can only be done with years of hands on experience. The guest also points out very important point, there is just not enough cases / complex cases for the junior Drs to train on in private hospitals.
Thanks for such insightful podcast. Enjoyed it immensely. Such a well rounded perspective!! Well done Mr Money!!
Glad you enjoyed it! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Lol...seriously
As a Dr for 12 years and a trainee now, must say a long awaited open discussions with facts and figures. Points out the long hours of work, sleepless night, the balance between family and work, while having other colleagues peak earlier in their careers. Long journey yes, but rewarding at the end as a whole. Bravo to team, for the advice and prospects given.
Thank you Doctor! ✌🏼 thanks for saving lives too
These are not the reasons for you to charge high price in private. Patients were your teachers and they eventually paid you to become rich.
consultant deserves high pay as it takes lots of money, dedication, discipline, training, stress, and social sacrifice to reach that stage - that only very few people can endure.
A lot of politics involved also.
Tons of brains too for cina dr.
Are you asking for sympathy?
Not true.
I'm all for rewards that suit the effort and I understand that the journey to be a doctor is a long, hard, winding and expensive road... When I was young, i knew that to be a doctor is to be in an honorable and respected profession...
However, in recent times, I often hear parents suggesting to their kids to be a doctor because "you can earn a lot", "you can be super rich", etc...
Coupled with numerous instances when I hear doctors recommending surgeries for seemingly trivial/superficial/not-too-serious issues (I know I'm just a lay man with zero medical knowledge), i began developing a sense of mistrust on doctors.... surgeries used to be the last resort after trying lifestyle changes or medications, etc but now seems like the first thing to do for a quick fix...
As mentioned in the video (i watched the whole thing), private sector doctors earn more the more they see patients and do procedures/surgeries/etc... which may (or may not, depending on the doctor's initial reason to be one) push the doctor to lean towards a profit driven mindset...
Which led me to question... are they recommending these surgeries/procedures/medical products or drugs based on a profit driven mindset or do they really have the patient's best interest at heart?
So the question now is, how can we identify a profit driven doctor from one that has our best interest at heart?
Can you make a video on that?
That’s a good suggestion. Haha 🤣
Always ask for second opinion when In doubt, if most doctors share the same opinion then it should be safe to consider it's necessary to do the surgery
Good and informative interview for next generation doctors and current housemen. For younger generation doctors,don’t stop and leave your field too early ,don’t be calculative in work ,passion should be the main thing to succeed.
Gross income then not take home. Take home pay = net pay after all deductions
Frank and candid interview 👍
Private specialist Dr yes can be 60 K per month but MO in KKM 10K to 12 K maximum UD 54..please invite MO from KKM ...
It will be interesting to interview the pilot
Do understand that the mentioned salary is for those working in private sectors, as a specialist/consultants.
Yep he has mentioned it explicitly
This is actually a bullshit interview. You might as well interview the Prime minister and ask him about the salary and put the topic as how much actually malaysian earning
Housemanship as you call it or internship as it's called elsewhere is learning on the job or practical training to expand one's knowledge and to gain wider experience, there is usually a senior doctor or consultant around to take second opinion or refer to if there are complications. Many junior doctors doing their internship have to work 80-100 hours a week (including being on duty within the hospital in case there is a call)
Housemanship now is 60-62 hours/week. They have better life than medical officer. Until government decides to stop pampering houseman, quality is deteriorating.
@@ws4412you are a doctor? pamper? are you sure?
i dont want to be negatives and not that i want to compare. but my HO work lesser hours than me
@@ws4412 Much better in Malaysia 👍
HO this days work around 60 to 65 hours perweek
If everything he said is to be taken at face value. He is in the minority.....this interview gives a serious misconception about private doctors....go get a respectable dr who is willing to give you an interview
…for private doctors.He draws a picture of high salary and normal salaries. Amazing once you go private
Some people just likes to brag, your sunway marketing team did a horrendous job by getting you this gig
Very well said looking at his talking style alrdy show minority 😅
@@NoneedToknow-n1n Yes, and also because he does mainly rhinoplasty surgeries.
U mean this dr is not "respectable" enough?
Nurses and heathcare staff also play an important role in the medical field. Unfortunately, they are suffering quietly in their working environment, with understaff and low numeration reward and increment, as well as lacking support from the professional body and the government as well as the medical clinic/hospital. Why are we paying the exorbitant fees for the medical service?
The solution for underpaid Ministry of Health (MOH) staffs (PPK, MLT, JM, SN, Dr) is simple:
Start charging patients for the consumables items or maybe half or even 20% of the cost price would make a HUGE difference.
Sadly, this will hardly ever happen (you know why).
You should interview specific upstream oil and gas consultant, even insane.
Bring in dentists and pharmacists too! Would be interesting to hear from them too as healthcare professionals
The "easily rm100k a month" is a very serious misleading...A specialist in government only can earn around rm10k..if is that easily rm100k a month, i am pretty sure at least half of the specialists in government already left kkm..
@@teohjc i still believe he is being honest since its really easy for him to make, but not necessarily others especially in medical based specialty.
To give you a context, rhinoplasty which he does mostly can be completed in about an hour, and he charge at least, minimum let say cincai 10K for each procedure (should be much more, even lower section for delivery also already cost higher).
Doing 10 a month is definitely not impossible..since in private settings, he probably do these surgeries on others non medically indicated cases as well. Its very true that some of private Drs makes up to that amount/more..but some especially medical based specialists can only earn around 20- 30K a month if they don’t do any surgeries.
And..its also true actually more than half of the specialists in government already left kkm.
Str to the point!!!! Damn shiok to hear all these info
Way better than all the other bs channel
Subspecialist in gov dont even get extra allowance … but many
choose to stay to serve the country
If you choose to do specialisations you have to be ready to make a lot of sacrifices. Not everyone managed to pass the exams. You're not guaranteed to succeed and pass your exams. Work environment can be toxic and demanding. A lot of bully issue you may face when working as a HO. Not to mention nowadays you are working as a contract MO.
My brother, who runs a small accountancy firm, spends 100k per mth every month, not counting the 20+ staff salaries. That's why medicine is not a 1st choice of study no more. My niece with straight As' is taking physiotherapy. Generally, they earn more than doctors
Who do you mean spend? Spend or earn?
Is not easy to be a specialist doctor(study hard+long time work hour)...a specialist doctor work in goverment hospital,he/she salary should be at least above 30k per month. They deserve that paycheck.
@@TheBubleTea Too bad in government sectors ur promotion is time-based. Specialist get extra allowances which if I’m not mistaken ~2-3k and thats all. So a senior non specialist doctor can have higher pay than a junior specialist doctor. With this contract doctor system (which was purposely intended to drag the salary progression, reduce numbers of government doctors, due to limited healthcare budget), a junior specialist can get as low as 8-9k.. Oncall rate is the same of ~RM10/hr during the weekends probably RM15-17/hr during weekdays..
Pay wise & responsibilities if u compare with DR and lawyer... I think lawyer would have a better advantage.
Lawyer's win or fail the case still receive payment. If a DR screwed up a case will end up being sued or lose the DR license.
Yesssssss! Let’s build medical schools, each student fees would be 1-2M, they will be making a lot of money in the future!
It's like saying that business graduates earns a lot money because the top graduates who are successful businessman or CEO earns millions... Most doctors are either top of their cohort academically to qualify for local medical schools or have to spend a million ringgit overseas to get the degree . Among them , majority will become medical officers or GP .. some will become specialists ...of which la large group will stay on in the government . The private specialist make up a small group of the total number of doctors in Malaysia . And in addition to understanding that they are the top, they have spent many years training n working in government and most only starting work in private near age 40.
Please post other interviews on lawyers and engineers.
Mixing private and public service all together makes a conflict of interest. Imagine during public service hour, for reasons to make money, never even register the patients for operations and make them panic that they need to wait and make a bank load from them referring to private service to a friend or themselves. What you all think?
Please make a video about Malaysian architects.
how can someone practice in Malaysia after completing MRCP ?
start working in 2019 as a gov doctor and now my salary only RM5300 after epf and socso😂
Can I ask how much is Mr Money making ?? Income is personal and confidential. Do not generalise. This is inappropriate. What is with the obsession with doctor salary ?
My first thought was ,wooow, there are so many sick people that can make specialists or doctors earn good money. No doubt some patients have cash or medical card to pay famous specialists, but still the greatest wealth or money saving is to stay healthy always. Have a quality of life starts now, this doctor also already said he is yearning for.
well these are top % of doctors - specialists working in private sectors with decades of experience
You know if i have a complicated health problem. Its still HUKL will be my choice. Especially the list of doctors they have and experience of multiple surgeons per consultantion makes it more accurate
Like he said, some only…not most…not even average….according to his logic of “some”, some doctors in singapore earn million SGD.
majority of doctors pay is lower than even average pay of singaporean
As a medical officer (non specialist) i have no plans to specialise cos ive seen how hard those specialist work, yes they earn a lot of money in private, but they also work very hard, they dun have time to spend the money they earned, unless u really love ur job (which for me after covid i dun love as much). i think i can get better ROI for my time with stock investing, this isnt a typical route most doctors are taking, in fact i dunno any of my peers whos doing this, but i have a deep interest in stock investing, and so far i can understand concepts and evaluate companies well, i dun recomend this for other people, but just want to point out that specialization isnt the only choice for doctors
totally agree. i guess you are a Klinik kesihatan MO? to have adequate time to evaluate stocks
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Yes I am, left hospital once I got enuf experience working in ED, and just settle down in kk
good to hear that. I am a houseman in my 4th posting now. Hope to follow your footstep too, Dr. 😊
I wud say if u Wan to go into stock investing, I'm personally in bursa cos I'm more familiar with msia company vs US company, and bursa isn't as competitive vs US market, but I wud say u need to be proactive, read a lot and also constantly learning
i started investing a little into blue chips like maybank as i have not much time to look at stock market while working 😅
Now you know why insurance premium keep going up
The real reason insurance premiums keep going up is from 2 sources. The hospital fees and the investors' expectations of earnings from the hospital/ insurance companies returns of investment every year ..please get your facts right. Again i point out ....private specialists fees has been the same since 2013...yes 2013. Bar a few updates here and there
@@NoneedToknow-n1n its been there from 2013 at very high rate
Because some doctors earn so much other doctors who earn 10 -12 k a month get charged like those who earn 200k.
60k is not an exception. It’s a normal basic number. Power.
That’s why people become private hospital specialist. It’s a highly paid profession. 🤑
@@MrMoneyTV this is not accurate, excuse me. many do not earn 60k. You are spreading misinformation
You can buy one house per year. By retirement you would have 50 houses. 5000x50 =RM 250,000 permonth retirement money. Plus all house assets worth RM 100 millions. Then you die. Your children and wives will spend them.
I presume senior doctors making 100k a month. Junior not even a quarter. Meaning 45yr old doctors. Means 10more years to retirement. By retirement have 10million in a bank account.
His voice and way of speaking is 99% like... Rafizi Ramli
Better resign and do whatever you want. You don't deserve to call doctor
Why do you say that?
Kerajaan punya tak sampai 100k sebulan. 50k pun tidak.
What do you expect when the government doesn't charge its patients? Try getting medical service in the US where there is no prevalent free public healthcare.
@@Layla_r0se 100k setahun pun takde
Not sure why everyone is surprised that specialist are making 60k a month. Thats actually on the low end. Tons of ObGyn and cardiologists make easily 500k upwards a month . They have dedicated at least 20 years of their life studying . So its not surprising that they have one of the highest income.
Sure or not
@@yewkl912 Yup. A baby is born almost everyday. And Malaysia has one of the highest cases of heart problems. Check out the costs to insert 1 stent then u will understand why they make so much
Then you should talk abt how much the patients hv to paid at private hospitals...... to relate the paid the dr gat......
Government are trying their best to retain specialist in the system by allowing them to work 4 days per week. 1 day off for private practice. And government specialists have an army of support staff. So it isn't just about money after all. 20k a mth is not exactly poor mind u 😂😂
Agree. 20k is still above average income! But I can totally understand how they would feel when they see private practice Drs making 10x more.
To achieve 20k currently in government u roughly need to be around 50 years old with promotion to jusa.. 40 years old at most around ~10-12k
If 20k after tax is ok but before tax it is low.
@@AVIATOR-by4kk Government income only the basic and critical allowance is taxable. Other are tax free.
@user-ss4im8ce6n I dunno where u gt ur facts frm. Please verify again. It is true if u saying MO pay. Bt a specialist will jump to UD 54 straight and within 5 years to 56.
You cherry 🍒 picked a random young starting-out-doctor of dubious standing to interview to increase your viewing rating reflected your sincerity of educating your public!
Well, there are other non clinical pathway for doctors. Like the IHH director, is also a doctor as well.
Other than dr episode, can we have lawyer episode, engineer episode etc
Does any Doctor in MY know the HYPOCRITICAL OATH? It is all about MONEY. Malaysia Government Sector is SO POOR with Malaysians getting their degrees overseas and many from Ukraine. Private Hospitals are no better except more facilities and perhaps a clever Doctor. BUT< Malaysia does NOT have the DRUGS for treatment in Government Hospitals and have to access from the Private Hospitals or travelling to Singapore for treatment. If you SAKIT - PRAY to GOD you can afford the Medical Treatment or MATI!!!!!!
When such interviews are aired , we have the public thinking that doctors are taking in money . What is lost is that the word doctor covers such a large and diverse group . It's like saying the top politician s in the country on average can earn a few hundred millions in their lifetime .. and everyone ones to be a politician ... But we have that ordinary member of a political party to committee member of small town .. And we have different political parties ..some of which are irrelevant ... At least all those politicians don't have to spend a million ringgit to get a degree ..
Interview one, generalized all 😂😂
the title should be renamed to “Private Doctors” instead of “Doctors”. You are basically giving the wrong impression to people by generalising the title.
Russia grad?
Does he pay tax?
I don't think so
Please dont forget about the medicolegal risk that comes with it.
Having spend half of your lifetime to reach this then suddenly a patient died under ur supervision. Sued 4 million. Bye2. Balik kampung terus.
That's only if negligence is proved.
@@Janovial sure
@@nananananananananana2132 Are you asking for sympathy so that you are allowed to earn?
"Lack of manpower", on that, can I help?
34 y.o. in software and have everything except not that wealthy, but I hate what I do. Can I start working towards a career change to be a doctor?
My motivation is not money, but for the thrills. I hate software despite being good at it. Real-life blood, gore, and bodies don't faze me but make me excited. Is it too late for me to change my career?
If you have the money and passion to change, why not ? Your life story is yours. but there is no guarantee you will not hate your new career.
@@abellyold4859😂 can't guarantee anything. I am doc , yearning to try tech field too
It’s not going to be a fun journey. Medical school, HOship, etc. Not to mention the cost involved. If you think you can go thru that then more power to you!
Tbh its never too late but u need 5 years medical school (then 39 years old), and waiting 1-2 years before employed as Houseman (age 40-41 years old), then u go through housemanship around 2 years if no issue (then 42-43 years old). Only after housemanship will u be fully registered as a doctor but still need to follow orders. Housemanship also will drain u physically and mentally so some people (like me) might be ready to see the everything and save the world but get burnout in the end being the lowest of the low 😂
I would suggest getting into being a medical assistant if thrill is what ur after. Its faster and thrilling too. Less hectic.
But all the best to you though. It can happen.
It’s always those who gung ho over blood and gore don’t phase me that later become numb and unable to provide even the most simple of assistance when actual emergencies come in. Fucking joker
They are the causes of hiking medical fees and treatment as well as your medical insurance premium. They learned from patient from initial phase and eventually 'slaughtered' them with high medical fees. Hard work and long working hours are not excuses or reasons for you to serve your patients. Admit it you study medicine for MONEY.
Doctors fees are governed by the MMA schedule ( not updated for the past 13 years ) which you can refer online, doctors charges are capped. whereas private hospitals charges are unregulated, which has been rising steadily over the years. The rise in premium can be attributed to the rising hospital charges, whereby they made a huge profit year on year
@@FTS80TSF Who decide when to discharge when long stay is not necessary? Who decide to refer other discipline when is not necessary? Who decide to order investigations when is not necessary? Why charge 1 box of glove when only use 1 pair? Some practices are uncommon when in government hospital. Children are well after few days but keep them in the hospital until the charges become maximum (pediatric under insurance cases).
36:43 information on law not entirely accurate.
its usually 2 to 4 hours to see the doctor but the pharmacy is always far worse that exceed 3 hours. The worse, government pharmacy cheats medicine amount lots of the times. They also forced you to collect medicine every month although the doctor appointment is between 3-6 months. Why they cant give you full meds amount till the next appointment because many patients come from faraway more than 100km away? The doctor cant meddle on pharmacy decisions! The pharmacist are rude in government hospitals too. If you ask everyone, most people will say government sectors are far too worse than private in every aspect. The hospitals have rooms and beds for doctors to sleep in. We are not in the 80s anymore. There is no longer 36 hours no sleep BS, all lies. Lets face the fact, government sectors workers doesnt care much because they draw less pay. Another reason that they refused to jump into private sectors is they lack of confidence.
Private doctors charges too much.
Just to make money fast.
At this rate....good luck to all Malaysians to find a good doctor in 10 to 15 years. I myself have considered looking at Thailand and Singapore for future treatment because of the decline in standards and treatment of our specialists. Most of out bright and clever ones are NOT doing medicine anymore. Did he fail to mention the dearth of 'unqualified ' medical graduates flooding the housemanship till one has to wait for years to do your housemanship training....yes years
i know few consultants who dont even charge for consultation but if ur bad luck enough then u can jump into a hole scammer
After this video, Dr James would be so busy.
Hey public, next time when u sick and no money, who will u find? Gov or private? Salute those dr who stays in Gov instead of earning 300-400k per month in private
No wonder private hospital charge so damn high !!!! Crazy
Hospital charges another set. Haha 🤣 nurse say hello to u also money
Good
Should bring in doctor jason leong
Dont worry, most people wont be able to get to that level of specialism that allows them to earnt that much.
Doctors earn ridiculous amount of money but yet they dont help others financially.
No wonder insurance premium so freaking high. Why private doctors charging so high and the government don’t control their charges?
Completely wrong. Hospital charges are also significant and our health insurance system is maintained by BNM. Most people have insurance so the fee system works accordingly, very rarely are there cash patients unless it involves aesthetics and cosmetic medicine. Private practice is like the name suggests, private. You DONT have to go to private medical centers.
Please compare the healthcare insurance policies as well as other insurance policies with those of "other first world" countries. There is an urgent need for the insurance companies in this country to carry some weight now before it is too late.
#legacy
#rebirth
The private specislist fees are regulated by LAW....in Malaysia
..it has stayed the SAME since 2013
@@NoneedToknow-n1n yeah exactly. Malaysia honestly has a very well regulated health insurance system but i am not too sure about the 2013 one.
@@ljyeang U have to ask the private hospitals, specifically the board of directors, and shareholders .
not bad la but got crypto bros in KL also can take home 70-100k a month these days and still in early 30s and only work 4-5 hours a day, globalisation changed the game
Crypto bros… another level la 😅😅 let’s not compare that
Doctors are so underpaid in hospitals. Government should exempt them at least from paying taxes.
If you talk to the majority of medical officers working in the public health sectors you might see a different picture - you'll get a lot of shit in your career path definitely it's not an easy path, even if you have passion for the career/profession.