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- Protect is no doubt the most important move in (doubles) Competitive Pokémon. With 12 variations of the move, each having a different purpose, I thought it would be interesting to rank them all on viability and usefulness.
Do you agree with my rankings? Which do you think deserve to be higher/lower?
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0:00 Intro/Criteria
0:59 Mat Block
1:54 Silk Trap
2:43 Crafty Shield
3:16 Quick Guard
3:45 Detect
4:23 Obstruct
5:02 King's Shield
5:43 Wide Guard
6:18 Protect
6:59 Burning Bulwark
7:50 Spiky Shield
8:27 Baneful Bunker - เกม
Detect only having 5 PP despite being identical to Protect which has 10 is so bizarre. Also, the description for the move makes it sound like it'd force a miss, not just be a Protect clone (which would actually give it an interesting niche of blocking Urshifu, Mighty Cleave, etc.).
That would be cool if detect forced a missed. Then the play around it would be moved that absolutely can't miss. Like swift and stuff.
Yeah, given the description, I would assume it would work that way. Make it so Detect forces a miss for any move that does not bypass the check for accuracy. Had an idea of a move that works like that called Pilfer. It's where the user steals or knocks off the opponents item if they make direct contact. It is supposed to be the signature move of Blazing Bandit, a Fire/Dark Past Paradox of Salandit.
That’s actually how it worked in the anime with Ash’s Sirfetchd when it used Detect.
The only benefit I can think for using detect over protect is that you are less likely from being prevented off using the move against pokemon with Imprision. Even then it's such a niche scenario it shouldn't even matter
If a Pokémon attacks a protect user while having an on-contact effect, such as rocky helmet or rough skin, does it do damage through protect? If so, that would actually be a good way to set detect apart with it prevent contact, but still wouldn’t be that useful.
In VGC, it is actually better to run detect than protect if the mon has it, since imprison is somewhat common and detect doesn't have to worry about it whereas protect does. Detect also has a slightly quicker animation if you are worried about timer lol
Medicham: Uses Imprison.
Detect users: "You fool!"
Medicham: "You sure?"
Game: "opposing Pokémon's detect has been disabled!"
Detect user: "...oh"
and pp really doesn't matter that much in vgc cuz the games are way shorter
The video does actually cover the use of imprison and the niche that Detect has over regular Protect. Didn’t know about the shorter animation though
yeah it shows that matt is a singles player lmao, dont think the 8 vs 16 pp has ever mattered, while imprison protect is definitely common enough that every mon that has detect & protect always run detect (biggest example being ursh)
Wide Guard does have use in singles, if very niche: it will still block moves it would block in doubles, like Earthquake or Surf, and unlike regular protect, it will never fail.
So it can actually be used as a stalling tech or for leftovers recovery.
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Burning bulwark is better than baneful bunker, and it's simply because burn is better than simple poison as a secondary effect of a protect bc if the opponent makes contact with you, more likely than not, they were a physical attacker and a burn will cripple them more than poison and if they were a special attacker, aside from pivot moves, they were unlikely to make contact with you anyway so the secondary effect will not come into play in this scenario.
but it doesn't block status like opposing burn though, or 1 of incineroar switch out move, mockery or backlash or something I forgot, it reduces both attacking stats
I’ll still say King’s Shield is better because I like Aegislash :D
It’s so sad and upsetting that these moves’ secondary effect don’t activate vs urshifu
Urshifus existence is sad on its own
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tbh in double baneful bunker is probably worse than spikey shield anyways as poisoning a pokemon means they can't be put to sleep or burnt anymore, which is p relevant in doubles, it's still probably a valid no.1 pick as the only useful protect variation for doubles tho
Not true though. Wide guard is used sometimes, spiky shield is always used when had the option, and so is detect (imprison is a thing in doubles). Burning Bulwark is not used because Gouging Fire sucks in doubles, but it would see a ton of play if it were in other mons (like Inceneroar, stay tuned for gen 10’s buff).
Can you rank all priority moves from worst to best
All of them are bassically the same move but different type so i dont know
Good idea. I’ll add that to the list!
@@Damarpw7 well this includes moves like sucker punch and thunder clap are different
@@zachpro5475 Oh i forgot about those
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Spidops' signature is probably one of the better protects variants, lowering speed is really good. Sadly, Spidops is about as useful as a pebble on the ground
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Generally speaking, I think Baneful Bunker would be the ideal move of the list for smeargle to use in doubles.
The only I can see competition is Obatruct when paired with a powerful physical attacker
Smeargle has been running spiky shield for years now, i don't think it's stopping.
The main reason is that smeargle is usually trying to also put opponents to sleep and it's quite hard to do that when they're already poisoned.
not when 99% of smeargle run spore (and dark void before it was banned from smeargle). spiky shield is the only protect move it uses, bar the occasional burning bulwark
Urshifu: what are you guys talking about? What is protect?
spiky shield: what am i to you
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Spiky Shield pulls through! Chespin was my Kalos starter & I loved using Spiky Shield it got me out of so many otherwise sticky situations.
King's shield should be much higher because it works so well on the one pokemon that gets it, triggering stance change while also increasing it's effective physical bulk even more
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Wide guard also doesn't fail if used in succession, so can fully stall out an Expanding force with terrain safely
Yeah the commentary doesn’t cover that but I put a note that you can spam Wide/Quick Guard but not in combination with protect like Crafty Shield
i only clicked on this video to see aegislash
Detect is generally considered better than protect is because of imprison strategies, although its not that huge a difference. Few mons run imprison protect strat specifically, its usually just an added benefit to using imprison trick room
Silk trap would be so good on any other Pokémon
Toxapex runs Protect over Baneful Bunker because BB only inflicts regular poison instead of toxic poison, and you can't toxic someone who's already poisoned, so sometimes it's actively detrimental.
Truth be told, I'd put Baneful Bunker a LOT lower, mainly due to its only effect being to inflict regular Poison. This will prevent the target from having different statuses applied, it won't do anything if they're already statused or immune to poison entirely, and is an opportunity for Magic Guard Pokemon to take advantage of. It's good, sure, but I wouldn't put it above Spiky Shield or even regular Protect
Not bad points, just pretty situational. Every Magic Guard Pokémon is a special attacker with the only Physical move they use sometime being Knock Off which is when that scenario could play out.
If you were running Baneful Bunker the idea would be to inflict poison as a status for the purpose of chip damage so you likely wouldn’t run sleep/para that follows.
In that case I just didn’t see how it wasn’t better than protect. Spiky Shield I see more of an argument since you can still hurt Steel and Poison types.
Thanks for the good input!
Mat block could’ve been so good needs more distribution and doesn’t require being the first move
The main difference between detect and protect is that detect had a 50% chance to work when used in repetition while protect has a 33% chance to work.
Detect has a 1/3 chance to work twice just like protect.
The formula for these moves changed a few times. It used to be 50% but as of Gen 6, Protect, Detect, Endure, etc. all have 1/3. Some protection moves can go off indefinitely too.
King's Shield only protects against damaging moves, and since the nerf to the Attack drop, it became a strictly worse version of Silk Trap.
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Mat Block is a global Protect though.
I had a triples team in X/Y that started out with max speed Greninja, Lv 1 Aron and Garchomp.
With Aron in the center slot, it worked like a constant global Taunt and usually, Mat Block would allow Aron to get off an Endeavor and Garchomp would get a free Swords Dance.
Second turn, Aron protected itself and Life Orb Protean Greninja and +2 Garchomp got to go mental.
It was filthy and the AI did NOT know how to handle this. :D
I'd argue Burning Bulwark is a lot better than Baneful Bunker bc the only way to get statused is through contact and in most cases if a pokemon is making contact they are a physical attacker who gets crippled from a burn as opposed to just being put on a timer from poison
Both Spiky Shield and Burning Bulwark are a lot better than Baneful Bunker in Doubles because you'd rather chip and weaken their offense, than trying to stall their HP with Poison.
It's still good but not as good.
Even in singles I would say Burning Bulwark is overall better because you punish physical attackers a lot more with the burn than poison which is better for defensive Pokemon, especially considering poisoning the opponent in singles is a lot easier and more common than burning.
Burning Bulwark is better than Baneful Bunker, even though it doesn’t protect against status moves. Although burn do less dmg than poison, that almost never matters, and even if it did, burn is wildly considered the better stat (specially in doubles). It also have the fact that, although some special mons do have contact moves, most of the contact moves are in physical attackers, which are DEMOLISHED by burn. An ogerpon is something, a burned ogerpon is something way less scary (even though you will have to force it not to use the signature move, since it does not have contact).
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Baneful bunker gives the enemy normal poison which you might not always want.
Quick and wide guard have the same failing system that protect does
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Wait I thought there was another difference than PP with Detect and Protect. I thought Detect could defend the user from moves like Phantom Force mean while Protect can't, so the only reason Detect has lower PP is to make it more reasonable and fair since it blocks, just barely, a wider pool of moves than protect. But IDK, I've never tested this myself.
Also, as a response to 5:27
I'd say King's Shield is immensely superior to Obstruct, mainly because it switches Aegislash's Defense & Sp. Defense stats with it's Attack & Sp. Attack stats, and it still protects against status moves.
And another thing that puts Baneful Bunker above Spiky Shield: it pairs beautifully with Toxapex's signature ability Merciless.
King’s Shield doesn’t block against status moves. For the list I wasn’t considering the interaction with Stance Change either, just the effect of the move if it was used on say Smeargle.
It would be cool if Detect had more to differentiate itself, but pretty much just a way to counter a “protect + imprison” situation.
@@MattBudYT Ah. I could've sworn that my Aegislash's King's Shield blocked Will 'o' Wisp once in the Battle Tree in Gen VII, I guess my memory is skewed.
Toxapex never uses Merciless, always Regenerator
@@agentglowstick8704 Well competitively, yeah. But I was thinking about all generations prior to Gen VIII when getting Pokemon with hidden abilities was really hard before Ability Patches were introduced. If you don't wanna wait through SOS battles until a Mareanie with Regenerator shows up, then Merciless is the next best option.
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I hate the move protect but that's partially because every game that has a battle tower has the NPC get a status condition and spam protect
Can’t wait for an electric type protect that paralyzes opponent, or a sleep protect that makes the Pokemon fall asleep
Id make the argument that Blazing Bulwark is the best protect move in doubles. The easiest move to compare against is Baneful Bunker as protect + status, which is useful because that’s what you put at the top. In a doubles setting, I think Burn is endlessly more valuable than Poison due to its ability to effectively destroy physical attackers ability to do damage in a fast paced game. It has so much more of an instantaneous effect, and while it’s damage is weaker than that of poison it still does damage to break focus sash and punish more passive mons. The only downside then of Bulwark is its susceptibility to status moves, which definitely is a downside, however i think the sheer threat of eliminating the offensive potential of like an Urshifu or Ogerpon with a Burn does so much compared to the larger chip damage of poison that it still performs comparatively if not better than Baneful Bunker.
Good points all around. Definitely is better against the physical attackers more likely to make contact. Really would be my #1 if it blocked status moves too.
Unfortunately Urshifu doesn't get effected by the burn or the poison with unseen fist ignoring the effects of those moves :(
Detect is better than protect due to the decreased PP imo. Rarely, if ever, would you need to click it more than 8 times and it has the added benefited of not getting locked down by imprison users. And on the off chance you get encore locked into it, you break out of it earlier due to having less PP. It's honestly just better protect.
New move ideas that popped into my head during this video.
Displace: The user distorts the field to protect itself and its allies from all moves that ignore accuracy.
Trick Gate: The user creates a portal to hide behind, protecting it from all moves and redirecting moves that do not make contact back to their user. This move can not be used twice in a row.
Obscure: The user creates a smokescreen before returning, protecting whichever Pokémon switches into their place.
Sand line: The user draws a line of sand to create a mystical barrier that protects both sides of the field for 3 turns. The Pokémon that used this move can't use it again during that battle.
Attrition: The user protects themselves against all moves. If the user performs any other move after this one, this move will fail until the user switches out.
Sabotage: The User Sabtages the opponent, preventing them from performing their intended action. Afterward, this move becomes disabled for 5 turns.
(Intended action refers to using any move, as well as switching out. This only targets one Pokémon in a double battle).
Decoy: This Pokémon uses a decoy as bait for a trap, protecting them from all moves and damaging the opponent for half of their max HP. However, this move usually goes last.
Pretty sure obscure would make a whole genre of pokemon build irrelevant
Interesting sort of philosophical question about how you make a list like this. Do you count "activates stance change" as an effect of King's Shield? I think maybe you should and that probably propels it forward a good bit
It’s tricky because if it calls Kings Shield through something like sleep talk it doesn’t activate Stance Change
Less about distribution as mentioned in the video and more about the move in a general sense.
King’s Shield is great on aegislash and pretty much necessary with its ability.
But say on Smeargle, or any other mon that theoretically would use it, it wouldn’t have the effect of switching forms. So just the effect of blocking attacking moves and lowering attack on contact was factored, while not blocking status moves was the main “con”.
A move like Bulwark is higher due to inflicting a status that usually can’t just be switched out and fixed like an attack drop. So the payoff is generally a lot better which is why I ranked it higher despite King’s Shield being more useful on Aegislash than Bulwark is on Gouging Fire.
There should a protect move that heals you if the opponent hits you.
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Another thing about Toxapex is its ability goes Merciless goes so well together with baneful bunker. Merciless means Toxapex always lands a critical hit on a poisoned target. The move and ability go together like bread and butter.
Except that toxapex has pitiful offense and as a defensive pokemon, it enjoys regenerator FAR MORE than baneful bunker. Also, toxapex usually also runs scald, which would be counter-productive with merciless because scald has 30% chance to burn
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protect, detect, spiky shield, max guard (if youre counting that) kings shield... thats what i can think of off the top of my head 😂
Me not reading the chapters so as not to spoil myself: wow endure is really high on this list.
And as the video goes on I am more and more certain it didnt make the list despite still having the same fail system in place...
It is not a protect variation therefore it wasn’t considered here.
Detect should be above protect, in VGC you are not going to run out of PP on detect. If you do, there is something seriously wrong with your team, and detect cannot be disabled by most imprison users
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Detect is better than protect in doubles though. Why is it so much lower?
maybe I wasn't paying enough attention, but why is kings shield worse than protect?
because it doesn't protect from status moves!
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the reason you would want lower pp is encore. if the move you get encore locked into runs out of PP the encore stops. in VGC games are so fast you would almost never actually run out of detect PP outside of getting encored.