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fun note, you can also get more than one because they're not a legendary. So imagine a team with literally cheated stats being legitimately obtained XD The stat cap in mystery dungeon is 999 in everything. I think they have it in everything but health XD
@@nathanielbass771 Nope, it isn't. 999 is the stat cap ONLY for health, everything else caps at 255. In EoS, Keckleon spawns with all of its stats between 254 and 255, except HP which instead is 200-300ish if my memory does not fail me. The cap stats are reachable legitimately with extreme patience and proper farming, mostly through Zero Isles or Destiny Tower for Life Seeds, Sitrus Berries and the vitamins.
To recruit it, I used my “immortal Budew” strategy. Mobile Scarf allows Budew to walk through walls. Budew Scarf in the bag causes Budew to gain PP about 1/3 of the time when he takes damage. This also triggers whenever you take 1 damage from an empty belly. With this, having an empty belly is an advantageous situation, because the PP for Synthesis will always refill much quicker than you’ll take damage. Therefore, you cut PP and Belly out from the game entirely, meaning you only need to manage your HP, which is easy with Synthesis. This also allows you to completely cheese dungeons like Zero Isle Center with very few risks.
@@luissalvadorangulolira9759 unequipping the scarf doesn't actually kick you out of the wall. So long as you don't go onto a normal/fluid tile you won't ever have to re-equip the mobile scarf.
Kecleon in general is just handled so weird. From being spawned on it's mat when the floor starts, the game considers it an enemy, but also like, a psuedo ally. Something i've noticed is that before stealing it auto-dodges literally everything you can throw at it, so it can't be hurt... except there are a slim number of ways to get past this. Force-hit attacks like aura sphere don't work, but for some reason, due to how it's handled, explosion _does._ So both you or enemy pokemon can explode on a passive kecleon and it will wildly mess things up. If you blow a kecleon up, it will immediately become aggressive and start attacking you back. It won't cause others to spawn, or change the music (or even cause a quote to appear in the action history), but it will try to clobber you. As far as I know it could even be recruited alone this way, but I can't say for sure. Once it's gone though, you can't buy from it's mat any more (assuming you didn't destroy all the items by exploding) as leaving the mat causes you to be immediately flagged as a thief, and from there continues as usual. It's even weirder if an ENEMY explodes on him though (this happened to me in one of the master-star dungeons, due to a drifblim's aftermath.) as he adopts really strange behavior. Kecleon will still retain it's immunity to you offensively, and you can't hit it - but it cannot hurt you either, and won't even attempt attacks. Despite that, it will start tailing you, leaving its mat and coming with you through the floor when it knows where you are. If an enemy appears, it will zip over to it with its 2x speed and thrash them, even. This psuedo-teammate kecleon will stay on the floor you found it, but it will be the strangest buddy while you're around. I have no idea if it will react or fix it's AI if you pick up/buy/steal items from its mat after this (the drifblim blew everything up) but it's an extremely weird quirk of kecleon's shopkeep AI and the way explosion is processed, and unable to miss.
That same glitch also works with (and is more commonly done with) the Pass Scarf because of the way passed off attacks are coded When you pass off an enemy's move, technically that still counts as their attack, so passing it onto Kecleon causes the same temporary ally glitch as you described when they use an explosion move near him (Oh and you can still buy and sell stuff normally and he'll still follow you around and kill enemies for that floor) ...likewise if you're INCREDIBLY unlucky like I was one time, if an enemy with a Pass Scarf passes off your move onto Kecleon, technically that means YOU'RE the one who attacked him, quickly prompting him to beat you to death 😅
@@HiTcHxBI0HuntA yes definitely the best one, second I'd says is either super mystery dungeon or red blue rescue. Or you could play that new one which is a remake.
There's also the thing about if you spend too many turns in the same floor you automatically lose. With all the prep you have to do before and how long you're gonna defeat keckleons, is not unreasonable to get to that
actually, all you have to do is find the shop, which might be around 100 turns. From what I remember, the wind is something like 300 to 500 before you get removed or warned, not sure. You can also do this in ANY dungeon(some have bonuses to kekleon shops appearing). The wind is annoying mostly when you're leveling or trying to catch a randomly moving pokemon on the floor(such as a fleeing thief or lost one in need of rescue...it's AWFUL when they can float or swim and move over water/lava and you have to wait forever to complete the mission)
@@nathanielbass771 There must be a way for a Pikahu to recruit Kecleon, right? SDo i really need this hyper-specific Set-Up this TH-camr here says? And even if o do that, i cant help but wonder: How do i reach the Door afterwards??
Kecleon's level is actually not hardcoded, but part of dungeon floor data. This is why your Kecleon is Lv. 42, as that's the level it spawns at in Marine Resort. It's like Lv. 90 by the end of Zero Isle North (not that you can recruit things there, but still). I recruited mine in Mt. Horn where it spawns at Lv. 48. Other excellent user is Altaria. Swablu has what is perhaps the best exclusive item for Kecleon (and pretty good on its own). Tuft Bow prevents stat drops to Swablu and Altaria as a passive effect. You know all these Defense boosts from Acupressure? What if the Kecleon couldn't just Screech them away? There's no need to hide them if Kecleon can't kill you. I consistently hit the wind warnings without ever dying, because at 255 +10 Defense even Kecleon stats aren't enough (and no crits because group H has Critical Dodger), while without buffs it was like 60 per hit at Lv. 100 capped stats.
Great video. Of course, 7:52 serves as a reminder that it's also important to have a plan to get to the exit without being killed after finally recruiting your precious Kecleon. Personally I used a Pure Seed to warp to the stairs.
0:12 I was genuinely so shocked when this didn't transition into "That is an even lower percent than the amount of people that watch my videos and are also subscribed to the channel", but thank Arceus above it didn't.
I've managed to escape Kecleon quite a few times since they stop chasing you when you go to a different floor, but I've never managed to recruit them. This video is going to be good.
I actually stole from Kecleon a whole lot. When I noticed the shop of Kecleon and the stairs to the next floors are close enough and I didn't have any new recruit with me, I would take all of his items first and ran for my dear life. Sometimes it worked wonderfully and I got all of those cool items for free.
I loved stealing from Kecleon. My usual strategy was to use a Trawl Orb by the staris to snatch all the goodies and then get down to the next floor. Any Kecleon that got into the room with me would get hit by a Foe-fear orb
@@Wings_Of_Nightfall Couldn't you leave a party member at the stairs take all the item's then switch party leader and just got straight down the stairs?
Hey Freezai, I'm a big fan of the content and it's really cool to see PMD on this channel. I come from this game's speedrunning community and have done a lot of work on routing out the Recruit 'Em All No Wondermail (REA No WM) category, this is definitely one of the more accurate videos I've seen from someone outside of the community, but there are still a few problems imo. First, when you steal stat boosting items still work as normal so you can just use a violent seed and get to +10 (yes PMD state stages go to +10) the acupressure stuff is pretty unnecessary. Second, not every kecleon comes at level 42, and actually you got a relatively low level one that has 254 in its attacks and defenses instead of the usual 255, also even when you recruit kecleon despite it normally having 255 to all stats other than HP it still gets +1 to HP every level. And third (mostly for the viewers), you don't need jumpluff and any pokemon with the fast friend IQ skill at level 99+ with a golden mask can do it. Jumpluff's kinda a bad choice to recruit kecleon with because its natural stats are bad so it takes longer to get to a point where it can make all the ranges you need, it's pretty bad for if you want to recruit anything other than kecleon (if you're gonna sink all these resources to get kecleon why not sink them into a pokemon that is good at traditional recruiting as well), and chlorophyll while cool is pretty slow and annoying to use (just set stuff up so you can OHKO kecleons), in the vid you can see that despite having maxed attacking stats on jumpluff with +10 on both of them wide slash still needed to crit to OHKO. To OHKO kecleons you can either use moves that get STAB or get boosted by weather, but if you want wide slash to OHKO (you definitely do) then probably the easiest way is to do some shenanigans with skill swap and get guts on whatever pokemon you choose to use (this makes it so instead of absolutely needing a crit to OHKO at 255 attack you just need to get 172 or higher base attack stat with +10 and guts active, this might sound like more work for little reward at first but trust me saving as much time as you do by OHKOing is definitely worth it even casually). Still a great video and a fun showcase of some odd PMD mechanics. P.S. The PMD speedrunning discord (you can find it pretty easily if you just go to the speedrun. com profile for PMD sky and click on the little discord icon) has a lot of people and resources with more knowledge than bulbapedia or serebii that are always willing to help. P.P.S. I'd absolutely love to see a Freezai vid on the "jirachi exploit", there are currently no videos about it on youtube and it's super cool/gamebreaking
cool insight, i mainly used bulbapedia as a reference but it looks theres a lot more to be learned, Jirachi exploit sounds cool ill take a look! I mainly made this vid bc i loved Mystery dungeon as a kid and as a casual, the number 1 toughest thing i remembered from it was trying to recruit kecleon
Worth mentioning that if you recruit Groudon and have him on the squad, you can have permanent sun when fighting Kecleon. Chlorophyll in this game means you can attack twice in one turn.
as far as bosses go? yeah but in mystery dungeon any mon can get to 999 hp (500 in orginals) and 255 in all other stats and moves cna get extra +99 power from gingsengs And with linking of moves and abilties + iq skills (explorers) you can do crazier stuff then what kecleon can do
@@mhx5071 well only bosses that have 500+ hp already if you feed them a reviver seed before beating them again, with deoxys having highest at 950 hp. But normally cap is 500 without the bug.
@@zyella277 Off base stats alone though I assume kecleon is the most broken mon in mystery dungeon history. Like maybe arceus in Super. (Haven't completed the orb but still its probably not stronger) The only thing comparable in the main series is like eternamax eternatus
@@irishpenguin2047As recruit off yeah since i dont think any mon comes close to maxed everything. Funny enough its natural stats isnt actually as insane, for L1 dungeons Alakazam comes close and internally Meganium have the best overall stats
I remember when my bro and I found out about this. It literally took us 2 weeks of getting meganium, the wall hack seed, oran berries, and solar beam. Worth it
This video made me vividly remember how panic inducing this game could be. The boss fights were actually challenging and there were so many mechanics that made it one of my favorite games ever to play. I'm 24 now but whenever I see a PMD video, I feel 10 again.
Back when I played Red, I recruited Kecleon by doing the same thing, except with my Venusaur. It's crazy how as kids we did things w/o knowing the statics: 0.1% is SO small!😅 I was also mad that Kecleon wasn't one-shotting everything like it did to me
I remember going out of my way to use Delibird for this. Hatched one with Mind Reader and Ice Ball, and got Delibird's exclusive item Snow Brooch which lets Delibird attack twice in the hail. One Hail Orb later, bang, two never-miss rounds of the five-hit Ice Ball in one turn, and after being many Kecleon with this I finally did get one.
This is so interesting. I was attacked by them by canceling to buy because I wanted to change what I buy and ending up as stealing. I scared me so much back when I was a kid.
I accidentally stepped off the mat in a Kecleon Shop and didn't have enough money. Since I couldn't buy the items, I tried to fight him, and ended up just reloading my save.
I remember always being so worried and careful in the shop. I accidentally stole items more than once. At some point I ended up getting fed up with being anxious about or avoiding the shop entirely and tried to defeat Kecleon but I don't think I survived that one haha.I didn't know you could even recruit Kecleon, so it was pretty interesting to see this!
I remember planning it out for literal irl days when I wanted to recruit everyone in Sky. And then I recruited like the 3rd Kecleon. It felt nice but all that time collecting reviver seeds and the golden mask (not using wonder mail generators) and violent seeds and a mobile orb and tight belt. And then I just… didn’t really need any of it. I was quite thankful though that it only took 3 Kecs
Im so happy you made a video about this game. I remember doing the research myself out of curiosity and found out that it was actually possible to recruit him. The strategy i heard was using a ghost type pokemon or mew and a lot of apples to go inside walls and use moves like blizzard to kill them all at once, plus all of the extra stuff to get the recruit rate up.
once i accidentally stole as a kid because when he said "are you going to pay for that?" i thought saying no meant you would drop the items back (listen i was little and really shit at reading) and the absolute FEAR when he called me a their-
I would love to see more PMD content. Maybe something like an analysis of the battle system or something like that. I realize your main area is competitive singles, but I think it’d be cool to see some more branching out.
Absolutely love red rescue team and it was always a bucket list challenge for me in that game to recruit kecleon, had done a lot of theory crafting on it, so this video hit the spot. Good stuff man thanks for your content.
If you cover more PMD, I'd love a video on Purity Forest/Zero Isle South/Destiny Tower dungeons. Kek is absurdly broken in Purity Forest but is utterly worthless in the Zero Isle South and Destiny Tower.
Reminds me of maplestory where major bosses' defenses ignore 300% of your damage, so you need the ignore-defense stat to exceed 66.6% to start dealing 1% of your damage. But sources of that stat are decimal & multiply with each other for diminishing returns, so stacking 40%-ignore lines nets you 64% with 2, 78.4% with 3, 87% with 4, & 92.2% with 5, which gets ~76% of your damage through a 300% def boss. Most sources that big have opportunity costs that cut into your actual damage, so most of your sources that don't compromise damage will be 5,10,15,20%.
Back in the day I got Keckleon, but using a different method. Simply put, I did the Jirachi quest and wished for new friends. That's how i recruited a low level keckleon super easily
OMG thank you so much I never would have gotten around to googling this information but now I'm about to waste my 20's chasing this dream of recruiting the demon shopkeeper
I remember that I once recruited kecleon in Pokemon mystery dungeon Blue rescue team, But I erased the data because I was still a smol Child.... Holy...
Huh, didn’t think I’d see a mystery dungeon video from you. I like it, more please. I’d kind of like to see your opinions on each of the games, the best and worst parts of each game and maybe like a tier list of the starters in each game.
The only game when you'll reasonably get Keckleon is in Super Mystery Dungeon. It does requires you to have 750 Pokemon (out of 779) and finished the game, so it's not exactly easy, but it's way better. It's still pretty strong iirc.
@@KogasaTatara514 Yeah, just checked out. Granted it's low level, but it's weaker than a Tirtouga of the same level, so it's not really convincing. The real OP monster in this game is Vigoroth because it has Slaking's stats without the drawback.
iirc this one time was playing Explorers of Sky where i used Roar on an enemy Pokemon in a hallway which caused it to get blown back and slam into Kecleon in the next room (who i had no idea was even *in the way*). this caused it to become aggressive and start attacking me and i was lucky i even managed to get away from it
I think I managed to do this back in the day because my main chracter ate such an ungoldy number of gummies (and there wasn't a limit seemingly back then) in Blue Mystery Dungeon. If I remember correctly, there were some ways of getting block breaking/walking in game, can't remember exactly how
While I haven't yet attempted recruiting Kecleon, I have stolen from him and escaped several times; it's quite simple. I just grab all the goods and then eat a pure seed so I warp near the staircase, and boom, I make my getaway.
I never recruited kecleon as a kid, but I was able to the most recent time I played through blue rescue team. I spent about a month grinding a new save file from the start of the game until level 96. My strategy, as Cubone, was to hold friend bow, learn earthquake, and keep going through Wyvern Hill with my inventory consisting of: a trawl orb, one-room orb, escape orb, then fill the rest wit reviver seeds. I walk around until I find a kecleon shop, then I use the one-room orb, walk to the steps so I can quickly leave the floor and escape orb out of the dungeon if I need to, then steal kecleons items using trawl orb by the steps. Walk around until kecleons surround me, then earthquake all of them until I recruit one. I recruited one in an absurdly short amount of time (2 trips to wyvern Hill + KOing a total of maybe 15 kecleons) but this isnt normal and anyone who tries this will most likely have to kill WAY more kecleons. If you attempt this be ready to prepare and grind up for a good while for this and be prepared to repeat these steps over and over for a while.
Man I love your videos. Pulled up a memory I forgot I had. Til this day I always felt the smallest sense of dread whenever I saw a Kecleon and literally only now remember it’s because this was the first Pokémon to ever k.o. me when I was 6 lmao
I still find it annoying that there's no cancel, so if you accidentally leave the 3x3 keckleon shop without the money to buy the items, you're straight up dead.
I actually didn't know how to buy/sell with him so I accidentally stole and was terrified when he brought the homies, I had to google what was going on
When I had this in middle school I’d tried for weeks to get kecleon, and had set up my starter to specifically farm them I was explaining this whole thing to my friend and during explaining the chance of getting it (which was wrong because it was mid 2000s) But mid conversation one asked to join, it was wild On the other hand, I had the benefit of it being Pokémon blue rescue team, so no brackets for iq
@@nenmaster5218 any pokemon can get kecleon! you just need to be a high level and have a friendship bow and other things to help with friendship you don't have to use exactly what he does like using specific pokemon, but you do need to have things to raise your friendship :) pikachu would be great since it can learn thunderbolt, meaning if you're surrounded by kecleons, you can take them out quickly!
With a LOT of setup and some patience this is actually not that hard. But I would love more Pmd or other spinoff content, as since there's no competitive scene there's probably a lot I don't know or haven't explored in the games
holy shit, a modem guide to doing this! thanks so much for making this-it made me relive some trauma and encouraged me to get back to playing my recent playthru of pmd: sky. i’m hoping to recruit all pokémon in the game on this file, too. i’m terrified of doing this, but i will fucking do it, i swear.
A. I wish we'd get a BRAND NEW Mystery Dungeon game. B. In Super Mystery Dungeon, I'd equip that gem that revive fallen allies and go to town against their army while they either cover me for my escape or just fight endlessly until we can eventually leave with our loot. I'd also have the gem that allows me to see enemies or the map or something. Now if we had the Kecleon policy in real life we'd probably be a little safer, just a little. Note: I'm never going to stop stealing from him as long as he's got good loot, the team of thieves inspired me as a kid. The Weavile, Arbok and the Scorpion fella. (Never liked gen 4 so I don't remember it's name) C. Every time: Our battle will be legendary!
Fun fact, if you have access to save stats, rng in PMD is determined by actions. It cycles through a table as you perform different actions (doesn't calculate on the fly).
I did it with a Meganium spamming solar beam on sunny weather. I used Cresselia with her special item and double team to boost Meganium's evasiveness. Cresselia also knew lunar dance, which refilled PP, and I had a Smeargle sketch the move so I had infinite PP. I ran out of violent seeds after a couple of attempts (I didn't have many to begin with) so I started bringing a pokemon with helping hand to raise Meganium's attack to maximum whenever needed. Took me a good while but I guess it was worth it just for bragging rights
It took me years to recruit Kecleon. I managed to recruit him on Red Rescue Team. I used level 100 Swampert with a friend bow and attempted this many times over the years. He finally joined me and was nearly killed as soon as I got him because I ran out of reviver seeds. When I escaped the dungeon he had less than 10 hp left. If he died I would have been so pissed lol.
I remember back when I was a kid, there was a Kecleon shop that spawned right next to the stairs. So the lesson I took away was "don't steal unless you see an opportunity where you won't get caught" :)
Managed to recruit kecleon after only 3 attempts with this strategy, worth mentioning that hoppip is actually recruitable pretty early in the game (Apple woods) so you can literally take it everywhere during your playthrough and level it up and give it gummies until it gets fast friend ability, for me by the time i finished the main story my hoppip was already level 43 and learned fast friend farmed some golden seeds with the golden chambers quest got it to level 100 and even completed zero isle north to get golden mask with it, I recruited kecleon before starting the aegis cave story and also managed to recruit every pokemon with it
Kekleon killed me when I wanted to ask what price what I took was and because I had low money he jumped me, so him punishing me for "stealing" always made me mad, even worse is my game corrupted when I died so I lost my inventory from that encounter AND my money and progression in that mission I was doing
What makes kecleon especially so dangerous is the move screech. If screech lands on your pokemon, your defence gets junked. Making any physical attack ohko or 2hko no matter how much you boost your defense. It was the cause of so many failures to recruit kecleon that I tried a trick to skill swap sound proof on my pokemon.
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@@UnknownVir when you go to the channel's about section there only a Twitter, TH-cam, twitch and discord link. I just want to make sure that he has all the information he needs to find and properly report an account trying to scam people into pretending they are him. They use the same channel icon, their name looks similar enough if you don't read it too closely. These scam accounts are a scourge and annoying.
@@UnknownVir or am I stupid in thinking that you were calling me sus, when you meant Freezai's comment looked sus. I'm sorry. I thought you were calling me sus.
I don't know with TH-cam comments and what level of irony and sincerity people operate under. Sorry again
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@@Jackie_3 Step 2: Oh? You're approaching me?
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I was fully expecting the Kecleon to become completely average after it joins you, cool to see it's just as broken once it's on your team.
kecleon breaks the mold by staying as powerful when becoming a playable character lol
fun note, you can also get more than one because they're not a legendary. So imagine a team with literally cheated stats being legitimately obtained XD The stat cap in mystery dungeon is 999 in everything. I think they have it in everything but health XD
Kecleon be like Cid on Final Fantasy Tactics
@@nathanielbass771 Nope, it isn't. 999 is the stat cap ONLY for health, everything else caps at 255. In EoS, Keckleon spawns with all of its stats between 254 and 255, except HP which instead is 200-300ish if my memory does not fail me.
The cap stats are reachable legitimately with extreme patience and proper farming, mostly through Zero Isles or Destiny Tower for Life Seeds, Sitrus Berries and the vitamins.
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To recruit it, I used my “immortal Budew” strategy. Mobile Scarf allows Budew to walk through walls. Budew Scarf in the bag causes Budew to gain PP about 1/3 of the time when he takes damage. This also triggers whenever you take 1 damage from an empty belly. With this, having an empty belly is an advantageous situation, because the PP for Synthesis will always refill much quicker than you’ll take damage. Therefore, you cut PP and Belly out from the game entirely, meaning you only need to manage your HP, which is easy with Synthesis. This also allows you to completely cheese dungeons like Zero Isle Center with very few risks.
You sir are an absolute genius
Oh... my goodness
Guess what I'm building next time I play, good lord.
Don't you need the golden mask equiped to even have positive recruitment rate?
@@luissalvadorangulolira9759 unequipping the scarf doesn't actually kick you out of the wall. So long as you don't go onto a normal/fluid tile you won't ever have to re-equip the mobile scarf.
Kecleon in general is just handled so weird. From being spawned on it's mat when the floor starts, the game considers it an enemy, but also like, a psuedo ally. Something i've noticed is that before stealing it auto-dodges literally everything you can throw at it, so it can't be hurt... except there are a slim number of ways to get past this. Force-hit attacks like aura sphere don't work, but for some reason, due to how it's handled, explosion _does._ So both you or enemy pokemon can explode on a passive kecleon and it will wildly mess things up.
If you blow a kecleon up, it will immediately become aggressive and start attacking you back. It won't cause others to spawn, or change the music (or even cause a quote to appear in the action history), but it will try to clobber you. As far as I know it could even be recruited alone this way, but I can't say for sure. Once it's gone though, you can't buy from it's mat any more (assuming you didn't destroy all the items by exploding) as leaving the mat causes you to be immediately flagged as a thief, and from there continues as usual.
It's even weirder if an ENEMY explodes on him though (this happened to me in one of the master-star dungeons, due to a drifblim's aftermath.) as he adopts really strange behavior. Kecleon will still retain it's immunity to you offensively, and you can't hit it - but it cannot hurt you either, and won't even attempt attacks. Despite that, it will start tailing you, leaving its mat and coming with you through the floor when it knows where you are. If an enemy appears, it will zip over to it with its 2x speed and thrash them, even. This psuedo-teammate kecleon will stay on the floor you found it, but it will be the strangest buddy while you're around. I have no idea if it will react or fix it's AI if you pick up/buy/steal items from its mat after this (the drifblim blew everything up) but it's an extremely weird quirk of kecleon's shopkeep AI and the way explosion is processed, and unable to miss.
that's honestly so funny to me
I don't know why I imagined that last segment so vividly, but it gave me a good cackle XD
That same glitch also works with (and is more commonly done with) the Pass Scarf because of the way passed off attacks are coded
When you pass off an enemy's move, technically that still counts as their attack, so passing it onto Kecleon causes the same temporary ally glitch as you described when they use an explosion move near him
(Oh and you can still buy and sell stuff normally and he'll still follow you around and kill enemies for that floor)
...likewise if you're INCREDIBLY unlucky like I was one time, if an enemy with a Pass Scarf passes off your move onto Kecleon, technically that means YOU'RE the one who attacked him, quickly prompting him to beat you to death 😅
One time a Enemy blow up, and destroyed his Items, imideatly making him aggro.
Now this is something worth looking into. I definitely need to replay these games!
Love seeing PMD get some shine. Explorers of Sky is to this day one of the best Pokémon games ever made
Agreed. The pmd series is criminally under rated
So true, love that game
Always wondered why the games get such a bad rating/grade. Any idea? And if you would recommend one PMD is it EoS?
@@HiTcHxBI0HuntA Definitely get Explorers of Sky, it contains everything from Time/Darkness plus a whole bunch of bonus content
@@HiTcHxBI0HuntA yes definitely the best one, second I'd says is either super mystery dungeon or red blue rescue. Or you could play that new one which is a remake.
There's also the thing about if you spend too many turns in the same floor you automatically lose. With all the prep you have to do before and how long you're gonna defeat keckleons, is not unreasonable to get to that
actually, all you have to do is find the shop, which might be around 100 turns. From what I remember, the wind is something like 300 to 500 before you get removed or warned, not sure. You can also do this in ANY dungeon(some have bonuses to kekleon shops appearing). The wind is annoying mostly when you're leveling or trying to catch a randomly moving pokemon on the floor(such as a fleeing thief or lost one in need of rescue...it's AWFUL when they can float or swim and move over water/lava and you have to wait forever to complete the mission)
I recommend lush prairie. Kecleon shops are all over the place there
I’m pretty sure that the ominous wind doesn’t remove you until the 4th time it appears.
@@nathanielbass771 The turn amount depends on the dungeon, it can be 500 but some are also a 1000
@@nathanielbass771 There must be a way for a Pikahu to recruit Kecleon, right?
SDo i really need this hyper-specific Set-Up this TH-camr here says?
And even if o do that, i cant help but wonder: How do i reach the Door afterwards??
Kecleon: "Oh? You're approaching me?"
Jumpluff: "I can't recruit you without getting any closer."
Kecleon: "Then come as close as you'd like!"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kecleon's level is actually not hardcoded, but part of dungeon floor data. This is why your Kecleon is Lv. 42, as that's the level it spawns at in Marine Resort. It's like Lv. 90 by the end of Zero Isle North (not that you can recruit things there, but still). I recruited mine in Mt. Horn where it spawns at Lv. 48.
Other excellent user is Altaria. Swablu has what is perhaps the best exclusive item for Kecleon (and pretty good on its own). Tuft Bow prevents stat drops to Swablu and Altaria as a passive effect. You know all these Defense boosts from Acupressure? What if the Kecleon couldn't just Screech them away?
There's no need to hide them if Kecleon can't kill you. I consistently hit the wind warnings without ever dying, because at 255 +10 Defense even Kecleon stats aren't enough (and no crits because group H has Critical Dodger), while without buffs it was like 60 per hit at Lv. 100 capped stats.
This is way better because you can sit on the stairs and prevent YOUR Kecleon dying to other hostile Kecleon.
Fuck yes thank you
The shit this community pulls off never ceases to amaze me
Get a lv 3 kekleon for the flex
No crits group h?
Great video. Of course, 7:52 serves as a reminder that it's also important to have a plan to get to the exit without being killed after finally recruiting your precious Kecleon. Personally I used a Pure Seed to warp to the stairs.
The Level fills up with Kecleon thoughhhh, soooo how the h-ll do i get tto the Stairs?
0:12 I was genuinely so shocked when this didn't transition into "That is an even lower percent than the amount of people that watch my videos and are also subscribed to the channel", but thank Arceus above it didn't.
I've managed to escape Kecleon quite a few times since they stop chasing you when you go to a different floor, but I've never managed to recruit them. This video is going to be good.
I actually stole from Kecleon a whole lot. When I noticed the shop of Kecleon and the stairs to the next floors are close enough and I didn't have any new recruit with me, I would take all of his items first and ran for my dear life. Sometimes it worked wonderfully and I got all of those cool items for free.
I loved stealing from Kecleon. My usual strategy was to use a Trawl Orb by the staris to snatch all the goodies and then get down to the next floor. Any Kecleon that got into the room with me would get hit by a Foe-fear orb
@@Wings_Of_Nightfall Couldn't you leave a party member at the stairs take all the item's then switch party leader and just got straight down the stairs?
@@XenithShadow I've only ever played the Explorers games in which that is not possible.
YWNBAW
Hey Freezai, I'm a big fan of the content and it's really cool to see PMD on this channel. I come from this game's speedrunning community and have done a lot of work on routing out the Recruit 'Em All No Wondermail (REA No WM) category, this is definitely one of the more accurate videos I've seen from someone outside of the community, but there are still a few problems imo. First, when you steal stat boosting items still work as normal so you can just use a violent seed and get to +10 (yes PMD state stages go to +10) the acupressure stuff is pretty unnecessary. Second, not every kecleon comes at level 42, and actually you got a relatively low level one that has 254 in its attacks and defenses instead of the usual 255, also even when you recruit kecleon despite it normally having 255 to all stats other than HP it still gets +1 to HP every level. And third (mostly for the viewers), you don't need jumpluff and any pokemon with the fast friend IQ skill at level 99+ with a golden mask can do it. Jumpluff's kinda a bad choice to recruit kecleon with because its natural stats are bad so it takes longer to get to a point where it can make all the ranges you need, it's pretty bad for if you want to recruit anything other than kecleon (if you're gonna sink all these resources to get kecleon why not sink them into a pokemon that is good at traditional recruiting as well), and chlorophyll while cool is pretty slow and annoying to use (just set stuff up so you can OHKO kecleons), in the vid you can see that despite having maxed attacking stats on jumpluff with +10 on both of them wide slash still needed to crit to OHKO. To OHKO kecleons you can either use moves that get STAB or get boosted by weather, but if you want wide slash to OHKO (you definitely do) then probably the easiest way is to do some shenanigans with skill swap and get guts on whatever pokemon you choose to use (this makes it so instead of absolutely needing a crit to OHKO at 255 attack you just need to get 172 or higher base attack stat with +10 and guts active, this might sound like more work for little reward at first but trust me saving as much time as you do by OHKOing is definitely worth it even casually). Still a great video and a fun showcase of some odd PMD mechanics.
P.S. The PMD speedrunning discord (you can find it pretty easily if you just go to the speedrun. com profile for PMD sky and click on the little discord icon) has a lot of people and resources with more knowledge than bulbapedia or serebii that are always willing to help.
P.P.S. I'd absolutely love to see a Freezai vid on the "jirachi exploit", there are currently no videos about it on youtube and it's super cool/gamebreaking
cool insight, i mainly used bulbapedia as a reference but it looks theres a lot more to be learned, Jirachi exploit sounds cool ill take a look! I mainly made this vid bc i loved Mystery dungeon as a kid and as a casual, the number 1 toughest thing i remembered from it was trying to recruit kecleon
as someone who does a lot of personal pmd max% stuff, thanks for commenting this, i was gonna write one up myself but you touched on everything lol
What the fck I’m not reading this.
What he meant to say was “nice video!”
sick info dump, cool video and dope comment
Worth mentioning that if you recruit Groudon and have him on the squad, you can have permanent sun when fighting Kecleon. Chlorophyll in this game means you can attack twice in one turn.
Keckleon will take out the Groudon with ease though lol.
Sun is permanent when set using an orb, isn’t it?
Remember kids! Stealing is wrong... If you're WEAK.
Kecleon is probably even more busted then Mega Rayquaza in gen 6
as far as bosses go? yeah
but in mystery dungeon any mon can get to 999 hp (500 in orginals) and 255 in all other stats and moves cna get extra +99 power from gingsengs
And with linking of moves and abilties + iq skills (explorers) you can do crazier stuff then what kecleon can do
@@zyella277 you can actually get Pokémon with 999 health rbrt aswell
@@mhx5071 well only bosses that have 500+ hp already if you feed them a reviver seed before beating them again, with deoxys having highest at 950 hp. But normally cap is 500 without the bug.
@@zyella277 Off base stats alone though I assume kecleon is the most broken mon in mystery dungeon history. Like maybe arceus in Super. (Haven't completed the orb but still its probably not stronger)
The only thing comparable in the main series is like eternamax eternatus
@@irishpenguin2047As recruit off yeah since i dont think any mon comes close to maxed everything. Funny enough its natural stats isnt actually as insane, for L1 dungeons Alakazam comes close and internally Meganium have the best overall stats
I was always so scared of stealing because of the trauma of getting ganbanged on the hardest dungeons when i was 14 yo.
eh you can find a the kekleon market, go to the stairs and use the orb that sucks all the items towards you. take what you need and run for the hills
I remember when my bro and I found out about this. It literally took us 2 weeks of getting meganium, the wall hack seed, oran berries, and solar beam. Worth it
This video made me vividly remember how panic inducing this game could be. The boss fights were actually challenging and there were so many mechanics that made it one of my favorite games ever to play. I'm 24 now but whenever I see a PMD video, I feel 10 again.
my only mechanic was to have my bag full of reviver Seeds and apples, and pray to not get a Monster House 😞
I love this, more videos about spinoff games are something I would highly appreciate.
Back when I played Red, I recruited Kecleon by doing the same thing, except with my Venusaur. It's crazy how as kids we did things w/o knowing the statics: 0.1% is SO small!😅
I was also mad that Kecleon wasn't one-shotting everything like it did to me
This is some quality stuff, the PMD community will never die
I remember going out of my way to use Delibird for this. Hatched one with Mind Reader and Ice Ball, and got Delibird's exclusive item Snow Brooch which lets Delibird attack twice in the hail. One Hail Orb later, bang, two never-miss rounds of the five-hit Ice Ball in one turn, and after being many Kecleon with this I finally did get one.
Ahh, i remember my childhood, grinding away at Kecleons with my overpowered Sceptile, and then accidetaly saying '''no" to the recruitment...
This is so interesting. I was attacked by them by canceling to buy because I wanted to change what I buy and ending up as stealing. I scared me so much back when I was a kid.
I accidentally stepped off the mat in a Kecleon Shop and didn't have enough money. Since I couldn't buy the items, I tried to fight him, and ended up just reloading my save.
I remember always being so worried and careful in the shop. I accidentally stole items more than once. At some point I ended up getting fed up with being anxious about or avoiding the shop entirely and tried to defeat Kecleon but I don't think I survived that one haha.I didn't know you could even recruit Kecleon, so it was pretty interesting to see this!
I remember planning it out for literal irl days when I wanted to recruit everyone in Sky. And then I recruited like the 3rd Kecleon. It felt nice but all that time collecting reviver seeds and the golden mask (not using wonder mail generators) and violent seeds and a mobile orb and tight belt. And then I just… didn’t really need any of it. I was quite thankful though that it only took 3 Kecs
Well you still needed the golden mask at least.
Im so happy you made a video about this game. I remember doing the research myself out of curiosity and found out that it was actually possible to recruit him. The strategy i heard was using a ghost type pokemon or mew and a lot of apples to go inside walls and use moves like blizzard to kill them all at once, plus all of the extra stuff to get the recruit rate up.
Mfer taught me not to steal as a child. Also merely seeing his carpet at the edge of my screen gives me ptsd
This is actually so interesting
imagine stealing from store, beat up the clerk and then he decides to become your best friend
Wow, didn't expect mystery dungeon to appear here :D
once i accidentally stole as a kid because when he said "are you going to pay for that?" i thought saying no meant you would drop the items back (listen i was little and really shit at reading) and the absolute FEAR when he called me a their-
I would love to see more PMD content. Maybe something like an analysis of the battle system or something like that. I realize your main area is competitive singles, but I think it’d be cool to see some more branching out.
I love how Keckleon uses the move Thief to attack you in PMD1 as a punishment for being a thief
Absolutely love red rescue team and it was always a bucket list challenge for me in that game to recruit kecleon, had done a lot of theory crafting on it, so this video hit the spot. Good stuff man thanks for your content.
do you hear this guys voice lmfao
@@vespii whats your point??
@@xenonhhd8383 uhm black people shouldn't have rights?
@KingDon Important to note that the video is in Explorers of Sky as opposed to Red Rescue Team so some of the information does not apply to that game
"Would you like to buy that?"
"Oh, my bad, I don't have enough. Let me retur-"
*DEATH*
0:56 For me it was an accident. I accidentally walked off Kecleon’s mat in gates to infinity after I thought I paid for the item
One of my core memories is wondering what would happen if I stole from kecleon and realizing my terrible mistake right after, I'll never forget it
If you cover more PMD, I'd love a video on Purity Forest/Zero Isle South/Destiny Tower dungeons. Kek is absurdly broken in Purity Forest but is utterly worthless in the Zero Isle South and Destiny Tower.
"Buy my merchandise, or today will be your demise"
-Kecleon
i love this style of content! it’s great to see you talk about the spin offs
Imagine being a little kid and kelcleon was your favorite pokemon, just to find out that the only way to recruit one is to do all this
Reminds me of maplestory where major bosses' defenses ignore 300% of your damage, so you need the ignore-defense stat to exceed 66.6% to start dealing 1% of your damage. But sources of that stat are decimal & multiply with each other for diminishing returns, so stacking 40%-ignore lines nets you 64% with 2, 78.4% with 3, 87% with 4, & 92.2% with 5, which gets ~76% of your damage through a 300% def boss. Most sources that big have opportunity costs that cut into your actual damage, so most of your sources that don't compromise damage will be 5,10,15,20%.
Back in the day I got Keckleon, but using a different method.
Simply put, I did the Jirachi quest and wished for new friends. That's how i recruited a low level keckleon super easily
They don’t act like invincible demon monsters if you recruit them though .
OMG thank you so much I never would have gotten around to googling this information but now I'm about to waste my 20's chasing this dream of recruiting the demon shopkeeper
Freezai making a tutorial about recruiting Kecleon in Mystery Dungeon?
Yeah, i'll take that.
Cool, you got Kecleon.
Now comes the next challenge:
*ESCAPE THE FLOOR WITHOUT IT DYING*
Nice video! I'm a big fan of mystery dungeon and I love seeing the recognition!
Now catch 4 billion unique spindas
I remember that I once recruited kecleon in Pokemon mystery dungeon Blue rescue team, But I erased the data because I was still a smol Child.... Holy...
I love the mystery dungeon content, it also fits your style really well
Kecleon taught me that stealing is only wrong if you do it unprepared
Huh, didn’t think I’d see a mystery dungeon video from you. I like it, more please. I’d kind of like to see your opinions on each of the games, the best and worst parts of each game and maybe like a tier list of the starters in each game.
This was not the freezai content that I expected but it’s the freezai content that will very likely get him to 100k
The only game when you'll reasonably get Keckleon is in Super Mystery Dungeon. It does requires you to have 750 Pokemon (out of 779) and finished the game, so it's not exactly easy, but it's way better.
It's still pretty strong iirc.
Nah, Kelceon is normal strength in SMD. The one you get, at least. Kinda disappointed me when I did all that for a regular Pokemon.
@@KogasaTatara514 Yeah, just checked out. Granted it's low level, but it's weaker than a Tirtouga of the same level, so it's not really convincing.
The real OP monster in this game is Vigoroth because it has Slaking's stats without the drawback.
iirc this one time was playing Explorers of Sky where i used Roar on an enemy Pokemon in a hallway which caused it to get blown back and slam into Kecleon in the next room (who i had no idea was even *in the way*). this caused it to become aggressive and start attacking me and i was lucky i even managed to get away from it
It’s always a treat to see PMD content even today, keep up the great work
I think I managed to do this back in the day because my main chracter ate such an ungoldy number of gummies (and there wasn't a limit seemingly back then) in Blue Mystery Dungeon. If I remember correctly, there were some ways of getting block breaking/walking in game, can't remember exactly how
Awesome to see you make a PMD video! Keep up the great work.
I just replay this game yesterday and THIS on my recommendation! GG for you to beat this challenge!
While I haven't yet attempted recruiting Kecleon, I have stolen from him and escaped several times; it's quite simple. I just grab all the goods and then eat a pure seed so I warp near the staircase, and boom, I make my getaway.
I'd use a Pure Seed and then use a Trawl Orb. 😆
@@Pandachu123 Ooooh yeah I've done that too, forgot about that!
I used the water/lava, then switched places with the little demon, and ran like hell
I never recruited kecleon as a kid, but I was able to the most recent time I played through blue rescue team. I spent about a month grinding a new save file from the start of the game until level 96. My strategy, as Cubone, was to hold friend bow, learn earthquake, and keep going through Wyvern Hill with my inventory consisting of: a trawl orb, one-room orb, escape orb, then fill the rest wit reviver seeds. I walk around until I find a kecleon shop, then I use the one-room orb, walk to the steps so I can quickly leave the floor and escape orb out of the dungeon if I need to, then steal kecleons items using trawl orb by the steps. Walk around until kecleons surround me, then earthquake all of them until I recruit one. I recruited one in an absurdly short amount of time (2 trips to wyvern Hill + KOing a total of maybe 15 kecleons) but this isnt normal and anyone who tries this will most likely have to kill WAY more kecleons. If you attempt this be ready to prepare and grind up for a good while for this and be prepared to repeat these steps over and over for a while.
Man its so cool to see people focusing on the spin offs! Please do more PMD videos
Really cool to see you make a video on PMD
Man I love your videos. Pulled up a memory I forgot I had. Til this day I always felt the smallest sense of dread whenever I saw a Kecleon and literally only now remember it’s because this was the first Pokémon to ever k.o. me when I was 6 lmao
I still find it annoying that there's no cancel, so if you accidentally leave the 3x3 keckleon shop without the money to buy the items, you're straight up dead.
I actually didn't know how to buy/sell with him so I accidentally stole and was terrified when he brought the homies, I had to google what was going on
When I had this in middle school I’d tried for weeks to get kecleon, and had set up my starter to specifically farm them
I was explaining this whole thing to my friend and during explaining the chance of getting it (which was wrong because it was mid 2000s)
But mid conversation one asked to join, it was wild
On the other hand, I had the benefit of it being Pokémon blue rescue team, so no brackets for iq
HELP! There must be a way for a Pikahu to recruit Kecleon, right?
Do i really need this hyper-specific Set-Up this TH-camr here says?
@@nenmaster5218 any pokemon can get kecleon! you just need to be a high level and have a friendship bow and other things to help with friendship
you don't have to use exactly what he does like using specific pokemon, but you do need to have things to raise your friendship :)
pikachu would be great since it can learn thunderbolt, meaning if you're surrounded by kecleons, you can take them out quickly!
We really need a Pokémon Mystery Dungeon explorers remake because that game is so underrated
It doesn't need a remake, the ds art and music is timeless
No. F*ck remakes (especially modern Pokemon ones which are lazy and watered down AF).
I like the Sootopolis city music sound in the first.
With a LOT of setup and some patience this is actually not that hard. But I would love more Pmd or other spinoff content, as since there's no competitive scene there's probably a lot I don't know or haven't explored in the games
Tip: while Items that let you escape the dungeon don't work after stealing. Seeds that teleport you to the stairs. Do still work
"There is nothing more difficult than recruiting Kecleon"
Me, who solo queues in Unite as a supporter:
Hoopa & Mr. Mime would like to have a talk with you.
@@shinekuelsword2412 too real bestie 😔
holy shit, a modem guide to doing this! thanks so much for making this-it made me relive some trauma and encouraged me to get back to playing my recent playthru of pmd: sky. i’m hoping to recruit all pokémon in the game on this file, too.
i’m terrified of doing this, but i will fucking do it, i swear.
A. I wish we'd get a BRAND NEW Mystery Dungeon game.
B. In Super Mystery Dungeon, I'd equip that gem that revive fallen allies and go to town against their army while they either cover me for my escape or just fight endlessly until we can eventually leave with our loot. I'd also have the gem that allows me to see enemies or the map or something. Now if we had the Kecleon policy in real life we'd probably be a little safer, just a little. Note: I'm never going to stop stealing from him as long as he's got good loot, the team of thieves inspired me as a kid. The Weavile, Arbok and the Scorpion fella. (Never liked gen 4 so I don't remember it's name)
C. Every time: Our battle will be legendary!
Mirror move is also a good move to use, it’s actually broken lol it kinda works as counter
Fun fact, if you have access to save stats, rng in PMD is determined by actions.
It cycles through a table as you perform different actions (doesn't calculate on the fly).
Enjoying the mixup of content!
I did it with a Meganium spamming solar beam on sunny weather.
I used Cresselia with her special item and double team to boost Meganium's evasiveness. Cresselia also knew lunar dance, which refilled PP, and I had a Smeargle sketch the move so I had infinite PP. I ran out of violent seeds after a couple of attempts (I didn't have many to begin with) so I started bringing a pokemon with helping hand to raise Meganium's attack to maximum whenever needed. Took me a good while but I guess it was worth it just for bragging rights
love the mystery dungeon content but I'd say recruiting chansey in red/blue rescue team or beating joyous tower is harder than recruiting kecleon
Pikasprey did a hilarious stream where he got Ponyta and Chansey in one run
@@le5450 will be looking this up lol
It's episode 51 of his pmd blue rescue, but the entire series is worth a watch
It took me years to recruit Kecleon. I managed to recruit him on Red Rescue Team. I used level 100 Swampert with a friend bow and attempted this many times over the years. He finally joined me and was nearly killed as soon as I got him because I ran out of reviver seeds. When I escaped the dungeon he had less than 10 hp left. If he died I would have been so pissed lol.
Would’ve liked to see you go over a few other options for recruiting Kecleon (as many do exist), but overall still a good video
@@jamesdinius7769 I think they meant stuff like Jirachi
It's videos like this that make me realize I've been playing one of my all time favorite video games wrong for a little over a decade
So great to see someone like you bring more attention to the PMD series. Loved the video!
I think it’s probably the first video I saw who recrut him in Explorator of sky ! Very nice video man !
Blue rescue team was strangely my first pokemon, and I am so glad to see our boy freezai discuss it
Tail glow manaphy, sit in water and just kill them till you get the recruit (lvl100 and the recruit boosting item)
“The perfect storm that is Jumpluff” such a great line lol
So is 0:54
4:11 the merchandise being the same number as kecleon recruitment rate is so satisfying
You actually did it damn ! It seemed impossible when you explanined it at first ^^'
To recruit kecleon into your team, first you must become a god.
Tip to steal from kecleon: trawl orbs in the stairs room or take everything from the shop then eat a pure seed
"Kecleon, the strongest pokemon in the universe" was very satisfying to hear
I remember back when I was a kid, there was a Kecleon shop that spawned right next to the stairs.
So the lesson I took away was "don't steal unless you see an opportunity where you won't get caught"
:)
I'm so happy this challenge is still popular! I'm replaying Sky at the moment too
Managed to recruit kecleon after only 3 attempts with this strategy, worth mentioning that hoppip is actually recruitable pretty early in the game (Apple woods) so you can literally take it everywhere during your playthrough and level it up and give it gummies until it gets fast friend ability, for me by the time i finished the main story my hoppip was already level 43 and learned fast friend farmed some golden seeds with the golden chambers quest got it to level 100 and even completed zero isle north to get golden mask with it, I recruited kecleon before starting the aegis cave story and also managed to recruit every pokemon with it
Now THIS is what I'm talking about. This is a top 10 of all time video. Freaking love the content my guy
Kekleon killed me when I wanted to ask what price what I took was and because I had low money he jumped me, so him punishing me for "stealing" always made me mad, even worse is my game corrupted when I died so I lost my inventory from that encounter AND my money and progression in that mission I was doing
What makes kecleon especially so dangerous is the move screech. If screech lands on your pokemon, your defence gets junked. Making any physical attack ohko or 2hko no matter how much you boost your defense. It was the cause of so many failures to recruit kecleon that I tried a trick to skill swap sound proof on my pokemon.