The WORST: GOG Cut for Elder Scrolls 2 Daggerfall Unity
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ธ.ค. 2022
- At the time of release, the GOG CUT was Bad, full stop. By the time you are watching this video, it could be fixed. I love Daggerfall, and I love GOG, but The Daggerfall Unity GOG Cut at the time of release is/was not good and as a result many TH-cam Reviews (TM) (C) (LOL) have been contaminated by bad practices executed as a part of the GOG Cut. This has led to a lot of people believing things about Daggerfall Unity that are simply false.
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With the final version of Daggerfall Unity now coming into Release Candidates (Basically the real, non gog version of Daggerfall Unity is almost 1.0), the Lead Developer of Daggerfall Unity himself has gone on record as denouncing the GOG Cut as a SEVERELY outdated, containing countless bugs and issues that have been fixed, and more importantly, containing mods that, even if they were not outdated (which they are) compromise the original vision of Daggerfall, something Daggerfall Unity attempts to minimize with default settings. Thus, the GoG Cut isn't good for first time players, who should know the difference between the vision for the original game versus modified.
and where to fidn this better version?
@@SCARaw
They have one on the same website as daggerfall unity, the steam version isn't recommended but it can do the job well enough
Thank you for the video. Last September, I tried contacting the GOG representative, who first contacted me in June about the Cut, to ask him if the GOG Cut was going to eventually going to be updated, for both DFU itself and the mods. I never got an answer. My expectations are very, very low here that GOG will suddenly take time and money to update it, since it doesn't bring people to their store like it did back then it got released.
Save yourselves the frustration and get DFU from Interkarma and select your mods from Nexus. They're easier to install and manage than the other Bethesda titles. ;)
very sad i am very sadly not a very tech savvy guy and i hav ethe gog cut und it constantly crashes when i reach the overworld
Lol I play the gog version on linux and have had 0 issues
@@patriciusvunkempen102 I would just download the mods from the nexus mod page. There's plenty of videos around helping with how to install daggerfall unity mods. If you really don't want to, playing original daggerfall unity is still a good option.
So actually did download if from a non unity site and downloaded all the mods ..can I just copy the files from my pc to my other computer ???? My wifi is trash and it will take forever for me to be able to fund those nexus files
@@ooferrell if you have your pc's synced(with onedrive for example, no clue if there's other software for it), you can put it to the other computer through the onedrive personal file. You still had daggerfall unity right? Because none of those mods work with og daggerfall. If it's really such a hassle I'd recommend playing vanilla daggerfall unity.
People forget how important physical media is. You cannot have property rights if you do not have property.
Private Property may inherently be theft, but that statement refers to the people who own massive amounts of it while keeping everyone who doesn't at their whims. Digital "licenses" to use products ultimately owned by some megacorp are, in fact, extractive forms of theft. Remember even Hollywood tried to argue that people with VCRs were thieves: They _had to_ make that argument, because the alternative was that _they_ are thieves for trying to rob people of their personal property, aka recorded tapes they legally purchased. In the end the FCC comprimised of course and we're allowed to make personal copies not for profit or distribution, yet somehow video game emulators are still legal gray areas.
Corporations will use bourgeois law to spin _their_ theft into _our_ theft at every opportunity they get, and since they've bought the politicians who "represent" the people, they get their way 9 times out of 10
Physical media in games is dying because disc are limited in the amount of data they can hold and it is far cheaper and easier to beam the data over the internet. If you are that concerned you can download the stuff on a hard drive
@@chompythebeast "Private Property is Theft" was the best piece of Soviet propaganda ever tailored.
Sir. If I make a sandwich, is it our sandwich or my sandwich?
@@bobSeigar wouldn't the sandwich me personal property?
@@bobSeigar The notion that private property is theft comes decades before the Soviet Union, it's there in Proudhon and Marx and Engels from the start. And there is a misconception about what that phrase means which you seem to be operating under, which makes yours a good question. If the means of production and their products are held in common, then you have a common claim to things like bread and cheese and condiments, etc. Now, obviously this could be interpreted in the worst possible way by the (willfully) ignorant: that you have to share _one_ sandwich with _everybody._ Instead, the simpler interpretation is more logical: You're entitled to a sandwich at least as much as the next person is entitled to _another_ sandwich, so long as there are sandwiches to go around.
So long as we have a system of production that keeps sandwich components in supply, you will be able to eat sandwiches. Likewise, so long as there are vacant homes to occupy, you will have a home. This is, as you know, _extremely_ different from our present capitalist system, wherein in the USA we throw away over 40% of all food brought to market and we have _millions_ of unoccupied homes, yet 1/7 go to bed hungry and hundreds of thousands of people sleep on the streets each night. The fact that this is not only legal but treated as somehow _acceptable_ to such a scale, even within the richest empire in the history of the world, is proof of the violence and thievery that is fundamentally inherent to bourgeois property rights.
The wealthy who hoard and squander _astronomical_ wealth in relation to their fellow citizens and human beings, in no ambiguous or uncertain terms, _steal_ from the mouths of the cold and starving. That that will no longer be allowed to happen is the grand difference the working class and the human race will appreciate under socialism
It's nice they put it out, but I find Daggerfall is so involved in the first place with features that the original game with certain tweeks Unity already provide in the menu (namely, click attack, repair magic item and the guild quest list) are more than enough to make it nearly perfect for me. Daggerfall Unity is, in my opinion, the greatest, most significant modding project in the history of CRPGs, as it took a broken classic and made it what it was capable of being. No mods are really necessary to sing it's praises. It's base features are already a miracle of restoration.
Open Morrowind is, made from scratch.
@@gearfriedtheswmas Just the engine is made from scratch. OM uses oiriginal assets I'm pretty sure. Love it. Have many hours in OM.
Daggerfall Unity is amazing. Tons of hours into this as well. I tried playing the original again prior to DU, but it was just way too dated. Just plain un-fun. DU made it very fun again.
Edit: I played it before the GOG version. Now I've played the GOG version as well. Major fun every time.
@Noxti! Been a while now since I've played but I didn't have any crashes. I also didn't bother modding it. Played well enough as it was for me.
Modding it could be buggy as it's already pretty extensively modded. I only used options built into DU.
I just checked Galaxy. I played for 23hrs. So a pretty decent sampling but in no way far into the game.
@Noxti! Here's to hoping Starfield is Daggerfall in space! :)
Isn't this the "GamerZakh" edition? He made a couple Daggerfall Unity videos. The first one was like the only hour he played. The second was him bragging about he only played Daggerfall one time and was approched by GOG to help with the mods they were going to release with the GOG version of DFU. It seemed kind of weird GOG chose someone who had almost no playtime of the game to help with the mod pack.
GOG should have approached "Gamer Zaric" instead
Yes it essentially is, and basically 2-weeks or so after the disaster of a release that the GOG cut was "GamerZakh" disappeared and there have been no further updates or anything to the GOG cut since.
@Noxti! After I made this comment I went to the Daggerfall Unity GOG store page becuase I was curious how they were pitching it and only mentioned "GamerZakh" in the description. Those other influencers must not have been influencetal enough to get a shout out.
When I saw that video I wanted to uninstall the GOG cut as he didn't seemed qualified at all for making the cut.
@Noxti! GamerZakh was the only contributor that i could find since he made his video about it and mentioned he had barely played the game beyond his initial Daggerfall Unity video.
I was intimidated by manually modding Daggerfall Unity, so I started with the GOG cut, then tweaked to my own taste. Everything worked out fine for me.
I think this was a great idea for GOG to do this as it gave new players a pain-free gateway into the amazing world of Daggerfall.
I was an idiot and did it manually…. I HAVE NEVER DONE ANY Modding ever so it took me like straight 5 hours to understand ANYTHING… it was a pain
Modding DFU is extremely easy compared e.g. to Morrowind, Oblivion or Skyrim.
@@RealPi idk they're all about the same tbh. And oblivion and Skyrim are arguably easier since you can just get installers that put the files exactly where they need to go, which I've never had a problem using and they always tend to install the mods I want exactly the way they need to be installed.
@@gefehede7783 get the Nexus mod manager Vortex.
@@RealPi nothing is easier to mod then skyrim, relax
40+ hours into the GOG Cut and not a single crash yet, so your worry about the crashing seems to be unfounded in my case. Also, it was a good way to get introduced to the modding aspect, and I can update or remove the individual mods on the cut as I see fit (I've turned off auto updating for the GOG Cut in case they ever do decide to release an update, as I prefer to be in control.) I've even updated the Unity version just fine with no issues.
The main reason why I disagree with the general sentiment here, is because I wasn't even aware there was a Unity engine remake until the GOG Cut, and I'm sure it was the same for many people. The GOG Cut is a good thing by the sole reason that it brought awareness to its existence to people. Yeah, they didn't go about it the right way (they should have gotten permission from the mod authors), but I'm grateful that it's there otherwise I never would have known it existed. Now, if people choose to get the regular unity version after trying the GOG Cut, then all the better.
There's been a solid mixture of your type of "works for me lol" and opposed to that a lot of "This is unplayable" with a middle ground of "It works for 2-3 hours, then freezes" chiming in now and again. It's clear something is wrong, but as you can see it's not uniform across everyone's loadouts, and as mentioned in the video, the specs of the PC do matter.
@@Zhakaron Of course the specs matter when it comes to crashing, and admittedly I do have a high-end PC (I just finally had my first crash while using the travel options mod, 43 hours in), but your video comes off as the GOG Cut being a bad thing, which I would beg to differ as it gives much needed exposure to the Unity engine remake. I assume "Worst" is a series of yours and you slotted this video into that because it's a series you already have, but I think it's a bit harsh to imply the GOG Cut being the "Worst" by any stretch.
It's ok, you didn't watch the entire thing, but thanks for contributing.
@@Zhakaron What you've said is definitely fair to say, that a lot of the issues people are experiencing are due to the GOG Cut and not Daggerfall Unity itself. I personally found it strange that they only uploaded a "GOG Cut" of Daggerfall Unity, and not the base game itself as I was interested in comparing (this also certainly would have cleared up confusion for some, as they would have been making a clear distinction that there is a base DFU game.) Unfortunately, the issue lies with people misunderstanding the words "GOG Cut" at the end of it. I always understood it to be a heavily modded version of Daggerfall Unity, but it seems like a lot of people don't understand this going into it. In that regard, your video is very informative in correcting this (though it could have skipped on the clickbait title, as you yourself admitted it has.)
Sadly, it doesn't seem right now that they have any intent of updating the GOG Cut past its base release and resolving those issues you speak of.
I'm unsure of what you'll be saying about the GOG cut but when I saw them release it, I was quite bothered by the mod list. Having DREAM already be installed on it for example can make the game much harder on systems than the game would be without it and, if they're trying to have an easy way for people to jump into an older game, could turn people off of the game who may not know enough about the game to know what is causing problems or may not know how to turn off or remove mods entirely. If I were to release a better cut I would try to only have mods and settings that remain faithful to the original game and it's spirit/intentions and make sure most anyone can still run the game.
Also love that your going to be releasing a video talking about my favorite game on my birthday. Negative or not.
I find it strange how often forum posts both new and years old talk about how they love dream but they have performance issues with it. I have a run of the mill PC but my only problems with dream is that it, along with the other graphic style overhaul mods in the pack, look atrocious compared to standard sprite graphics.
Bruh. Just disable whatever you don't want in the mod settings.
@@southerndurden7618 Bruh. I'm saying someone new to the game and/or platform wouldn't know how to or that they could do that at all.
Problems they experience would most likely be from mods or they don't like something about the game and know not that they can change it in the settings or mod settings. GOG's lack of communication hurts the perception of the game and DF Unity's devs.
@@southerndurden7618 Having to answer dozens and dozens of questions from people that downloaded the GOG Cut, they had no idea you could enable or disable mods manually, or even how to access said mod-list, so no it's not that simple with a release that is meant to be "easy" for the general user.
Hey Zaric! I owe you a big *thank you* for everything Daggerfall-related. Not only for this great informational video, but also for all the previous ones, as you are the person who made me discover Daggerfall in the first place, years ago, in a time where I was not yet accustomed to commenting on videos, with your "Before Skyrim" series. 💛
Also Merry Christmas! 😉
GoG should have just asked the Dagger Unity devs if they would allow for the port to be available for download from Daggerfall's Library page and have a link/video to Zakh's tutorial on how to manually install mods from Nexus.
Yes that would've been better for already veteran Daggerfall players but the idea was to try and entice others that have never played it to come and give it a go. It didn't work because as I'm a massive Elder Scrolls (RPG) fan. I couldn't get it to it and I was let down by the fact that it wasn't stable even on a pc that could easily play Skyrim SE heavily modded..
How they stuffed it up is because no money was involved I suspect so there was thus no effort
@Noxti! ye, first rule of modding is to start small. Then after that start reading up on more stuff and carefully start adding more and more shit over the years. that's how I did things for skyrim. Modding shouldn't be seen as a "I want it and I want it NOW!" kind of hobby. It's like reading a book but with more effort to it that depends on yourself.
Honestly I'd have never bothered with the game in that case. I waste enough time working on setups for other beth games without having to learn another. Sometimes I just want to play a game without weeks of prep. Modding is tedious and having an option like this is nice. I can't speak for others experience but this pack worked fine for me. Installed the game, checked settings and made sure mods were enabled. That was literally it and I haven't had a crash on my computer or ran into issues in game.
@@southerndurden7618 Yeah only game i have modded to hell and back like that is skyrim. pdx games and rimworld for example are a lot more simpler to setup and usually you actually don't need to do anything either.
But yeah what Zhakaron said, atleast pick the stuff that actually works and doesn't clash with how the game is supposed to look like.
I'm so glad you made this video Zaric. I was thinking about getting into Daggerfally Unity but had no idea that the GOG version was so F up. Thank you for this high quality informative video.
Someone somewhere will always have it up for download for sure. This is gonna sound cheesy, but it's true, the Internet always prevails.
If you have a decent setup, I'd try it anyway. With a high-end gaming PC, you probably won't have many issues. Also, you are free to add and remove any mods as you see fit. It is the Unity version of the game, after all, and you can tweak it as you see fit. I think it's a nice starting point.
The GOG is cut is fine, the issues listed are very asinine beyond performance issues.
@@Holy_Discourses It's mostly "I don't like this preloaded mod list", yep. Personally it was more work for me to remove what I didn't want from GOG's version, so I'm going with a fresh install, but it ran well enough on my absolute refurbished 2014 potato of an office laptop.
I'm not really sure what the problem is with the mod authors not being asked. GOG isn't selling the GOG cut. They aren't selling their mods.
Copy-right isn't selling-right. You're correct that, I, personally don't see any moral problem with it however there is a legal problem. People in the past have been taken to court over this, for mods, yes.
@Noxti! You should actually explain your stance instead of uselessly stating it and adding nothing whatsoever to the conversation.
@@Noxti They were absolutely credited, a list including the authors and Nexus links is literally right on the store page.
i disabled sprinting on horseback, i personally hated the idea that i would have to look out for and dodge randomly spawning NPCs when im dashing across town looking for a specific residence. with a sufficient speed skill the horse is fast enough anyway, the sprint feature on horseback always felt a bit egregious to me anyway.
Interresting issue i didnt even know about, i play Daggerfall Unity for while now (thanks to you) and i always go to source and make my own list of submods i like. I agree if GOG is first in the search for Daggerfall Unity, its at least not cool and in worst it can lead to issues you described. I myself did the same at first, i watched your video and didnt even finished watching it, commented how do you have updated textures. Soon i arrived to the point of video you described submods. I felt very dumb, learned about Dream, Tedious Travels (RIP) and so on. Making similar mistake now and commenting while you didnt finished your point.. well, iam still human in the end lol.
I was always drawn to Daggerfall. It was one of the few games I would daydream about on a regular basis before ever playing it. I couldn't get into it due to having to play it through Dosbox. After DFU was released I finally got into Daggerfall. DFU lived up to my dreams and even surpassed them. Thanks to DFU, Daggerfall has become my favorite Elder Scrolls outing and one of my all-time favorite games.
EDIT: Had doubts about the GOG CUT, but still thought about getting it. Glad I watched your video. I'll just stick with standard DFU. And if I want to mod it further, I can always download more mods to add onto it.
It’s free, how much money did you save exactly?
GOG didnt put the modlist together, Gamerzakh did. he just wanted to modernize it, make daggerfall appeal to audiences that cant stand looking at old graphics. i think he succeeded in that and its really great for GOG to recognize and employ members of modding communities. Community efforts have always been so special to me, though modpacks ARE subjective. As someone who posts my personal modpacks on nexus and other modding sites, I know this. Mod guide = good, Modpack = bad. Ill never understand lol. Also, not his fault that DFU updated after the GOG CUT release. Great video, explained everything very well. I love DRM rants X D
If you have the opportunity, skim some comment replies on this video until you find Gamerzakh, he's dropped some insight relating to him having far less control than people believe. If you believe him, it actually does a disservice to put his name front and center like this.
Daggerfall vs DF Unity isnt about graphics. Df have them better than Arena. The point is that the game is really hard to play in terms of beating Dungeons, completing quests and progressing overall. For some reason Arena dont have this issues and is easier to beat even if it has much less content than Df. I think Unity is a way to make game more understandable and consistent.
"Nothing online is permanent" except for the things you least want to be. 🙂
I literally DL'ed the GOG Cut an hour before you uploaded this video. Every Mod included witht the repackaged cut can just be toggled on or off in the mod menu when booting up the game. Really, everyone DL'ing this should use common sense and check which mods are included. The permission argument is still valid though.
What you call Common Sense is actually being warped by your personal perception and lived expectations which vary from the majority, most people download something and expect it to work out of the box. Using the mod configuration menu scares many of the ones who've seen it, and most don't even know it exists and just click through the play button in the middle of the launcher.
Just because someone like you or me could very easily customize this product, doesn't change the common sense expectation which completely varies from ours.
@@Zhakaron I completely agree with you, I actually thought about including that as a side note in my post.
Not everyone is an experienced mod user, Ive been playing modded Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim set ups for ages myself so for me it was more instinctual.
@@Zhakaron
That is true, I do indeed have the ability to read, which warps my perception of common sense.
Like for example, that it is mentioned to be reimagined in the third word of the description. And that it mentioned it is modded in the about page on gog multiple times, including the mod list.
I agree, people do not know how to read, but that is a separate issue we should not cater to, since the game itself requires reading comprehension.
I also tested to see if I saw gog as the first option when searching daggerfall unity, and I do not. I see dfworkshop first, then the GitHub, videos and discussions, and then finally the gog version followed by the uesp article. I'm not sure how your search engine works, maybe it's biased.
Ignoring your snark, you are (perhaps unintentionally) correct, Google uses an algorithm to serve up results in an inherently biased way towards the individual user. Duck Duck Go does not have this bias, and Bing uses it's own algorithm different to Google's, so give those a try and you won't get personalized results the same way you do with Google.
Now, back to the snark. The entire point of the GOG Cut is to pander to those people. Otherwise you'd just link to a vanilla Daggerfall Unity installation and call it a day. If your point is "The Gog Cut shouldn't have existed at all" that's a valid point of view, just not the one I'm going with for the purposes of this discussion.
Now, if only you'd have used common sense and not appealed to something as vague and abstract as "common sense".
Daggerfall is a game that I've seen other people play, but never actually played myself. This video made me give it a try (not GOG's) and maaaaaaaan I really like it! It's a fantasy life sim with a focus on dungeons and player freedom. I can see why some younger dudes might not get it, but it speaks to me on a level that few modern game do. It has a lot of gems and nuances, but *it wants you dead* and doesn't care about you. Compare that to Todd's fantasy of "Become the leader of everything because you are here. Yay well done player!" It's night and day.
Anyway thanks Zaric, I don't think I ever would have given it a shot without this video, or some of your old clips.
While I don't agree with all of GOG's mod inclusions, what the release successfully did was convince me to play the game itself. I've since sunk many hours into it (not as much as TES III-V, mind you), and haven't run into many issues that are GOG specific. The extra mods just feel like creation club tbh lol.
What I was captivated by was the enhanced atmosphere, mostly due to DREAM, some 3D replacers, and lighting. So I feel conflicted hearing about how a large portion of the mod authors didn't approve of the release, and this drama in general. It makes me wonder how people feel about creation club if Skyrim AE was their first TES experience.
As a mod cocreator (Wildernes Overhaul), thank you for speaking out, Zaric!
Playing the world's smallest violin for mod authors, yet again.
I think mod packs can be good but the implementation is often terrible. A lot of the time when I was playing Minecraft with my friends using mod packs, we often had like no idea what we were doing or what anything was. Things were very weirdly put together and there was basically no useful documentation. There's a joke that my friend made about how now that they have finally added copper to vanilla Minecraft mod authors don't have to add 50,000 different homebrew copper ores.
Compare this to certain Wabbajack mod packs for Skyrim. FGModlists for instance has well documented and generally quite well explained mod packs for Skyrim and one for Morrowind that makes the game a lot prettier (though it does change styling so not for everyone) as well as coming with the tools to apply community patches. And Wabbajack modlists also download from the actual modding website and can give you an opportunity to actually read what you're putting in, while also giving you the convenience of not having to troubleshoot and configure everything in a 900 mod list lol
So yeah they can save you a lot of headache if for instance you're way more tentative about spending a lot of time troubleshooting mods (I spent like 90 times more time modding than playing), but a lot of the time they be horribly implemented.
"I spent like 90 times more time modding than playing" Sounds just like my experience with Skyrim on PC./ Most of my time is spent installing mods and trying to get them to work nicely together then being too tired afterwards to play. Modded Skyrim is the peak experience but my god it's a rough journey getting there.
Me too end up not touching the game for months because of turning too op after just one quest line
I'm of the opinion that the general attitude that exists in the DFU modding community where everyone feels like they have absolute control over their mods and can prevent others from making improvements or modding/adding to their own work, has done nothing but stifle the development of the community to the point that now, we have at best, a few QOL and graphics mods and 1 or 2 quest mods and basically nothing else.
This is only made worse by the fact that it's general policy over there to not include source code with released mods, which with the way DFU modding works only makes it more difficult to actually fix bugs of mods where the author has gone cold, because you can't open mods in Unity without their source code. Making patches so that two mods work together is pretty much non-existent in the community as a result. Since any attempt to go through code and make patches requires you to first get the source from the mod owner, who'll either refuse and tell you to send your code to them so they can incorporate it, or they won't respond because the last time they were on was a year ago, or maybe if you're lucky after a few days you'll get a response. This slows modding to a crawl.
I get it, they feel like they have the right to demand control over their mod. But here's the thing, they're already messing with something that doesn't belong to them. Modding is a community effort.
DFU's modding scene will never reach the heights it can with the kind of gatekeeping that goes on there.
The few times I've opened up development, they tried to fuck me over. There are a few people in the community you should definitely watch out for. Another big issue is people coming out of nowhere, dropping a really dope mod, and then never returning to update it and making it break later on.
Thankfully, several of the most active modders and mods have their own GitHub pages where people can get the source and import them in Unity. This being said, my GitHub is severely out of date! I'll need to get back to it.
The modding communities overall are pretty spoiled both userbase and people making the mods. Both are entitled to the highest degree. Nobody forces mod creators to make mods, and nobody owes mod users the mods either. If people relaxed instead of being eternally entitled pricks many issues and drama could have been avoided.
Creation Club is the answer
@@traattatata7973 You are basically asking Humans to not act like Humans.
This guy's got a tie on to play Daggerfall, Respect 🙏 I don't even know where my tie is.
Daggerfall makes me feel like a 14 year old again... Still my favorite of the series.
This is exactly how I feel about morrowinf
Thanks for the info, I'll have to download it stand alone. The first time I loaded in to create a character it crashed (the gog cut) and didn't touch it for a long time. Got back into it a week ago and haven't had too many problems.
Good intentions.
Bad execution.
Nice to see a video of you again. Finally the TH-cam algorithm was nice to me!
Thanks for the info. I was just thinking about trying DFU when I get home later. If i had stumbled upon the GOG cut I prob would have downloaded it thinking it was for the best. Now I know better. Good timing!
I have the GOG cut, and while I appreciate how easy it is just to just install & run, all the mods in there annoyed me. With Dream, yeah the game looks nicer, but now I notice there are occasional performance hiccups (my PC has parts from 2015...so not sure if the hardware is up to snuff for Dream). Sure, I can upgrade, but something doesn't sit right with me about having to upgrade my PC just to play Daggerfall. I don't play any newer games, so I don't have any new reason to upgrade in general, so why would I upgrade it to play Daggerfall?
Plus then you have all these other strange mods like the Airship mod. I'm not that familiar with the TES games, but I'm pretty sure airships aren't a part of the Daggerfall experience. Also that crosshair in the GOG cut really annoys me and I must be incredibly dumb since I couldn't find a way to turn it off.
Sure, the GOG cut mods can be disabled, but there's so much to go through that it becomes overwhelming especially for someone like myself who just wants to play Daggerfall without crashes, with "modern" controls (standard WASD FPS controls), plus other general fixes. I'm afraid of making the GOG cut worse by disabling too many mods, or even potentially breaking the game.
It seems like they could've done a less-is-more approach with the GOG cut instead of dumping dozens of mods into it. The best solution might be to compile my own barebones cut...and beat those skeletons in Privateer's Hold AGAIN!
"easy to install but the mods annoyed me"
As opposed to regular ol' daggerfall unity being *hard* to install?
@@colbyboucher6391 I mean, it is.
@@fingusa How? All you need to do is point it at your Daggerfall files.
@@colbyboucher6391 Before GoG DFU I was not even able to properly download it.
I think. Kinda hard to tell if I downloaded something wrong, if I did something wrong during installation or if the entire thing is just borked.
Its not exactly user friendly.
@@fingusa What? I just did it in five minutes. Downloaded Daggerfall on Steam, downloaded DFU and tossed it in a folder somewhere, started it up, it asked me where I put my Daggerfall files and I pointed it at the Steam install. Done.
i actually deleted GOG cut and modded my game manually because it was significantly outdated.
If they didn't ask me literally the day before it went up, I'd would have at least updated my shit. Sorry about that.
@@ninjasquidkamer7440 Hey man. While you're here, I actually didn't get Warm Ashes for whatever reason - I think because I was worried about conflicts with resting in dungeons. It turns out Wilderness NPCs was causing it. But now that I've seen how cool it is well into a game, is it possible to add it in mid game?
Use the start quest command to restart them each. Refer to the "WAQ##" files that went into the Quest files within streaming assets. I wouldn't worry about the Wilderness stuff though. Glitchy. Working on a C# version of it atm.
Merry Christmas Zaric!🎄
I just started my second playthrough of Witcher 3 after it got a new-gen update and can 100% agree that mods, if added, should all come with it's own checkbox to not only inform the player what exacly is different, but also to just give us an option to play the game the old way, the new way or a mix of two. I am happy that there are people who care for what some would call "a small inconvenience" when in reality it's a drop of water that drills a rock.
The most bizarre issue I had when placing this on a low end computer that merely disabling Dream didn't fully resolve the frame rate issue, for some godforsaken reason the GOG cut has this hideous motion blur effect that can't easily be disabled without manually tampering with configuration files.
Remember when I said that Daggerfall unity and the modern Community as a whole are like a living thing? The modern version of Daggerfall Unity actually supports changing visual effects in game. I don't remember if this is actually supported by the GOG cut or not, but I can tell you that there is a clear time when it wasn't supported by DFU, and now it is. In other words the GOG cut will likely always be behind the times and that assuming they keep it (semi) up to date at all.
@@Zhakaron It's an odd instance where I felt like the GOG Cut was generally more convenient than just copying my setup from a different PC, but in execution was just a big hassle.
I always laugh at the playable area of Daggerfall VS all the others that came after combined. I suggested someone take the playable terrain from all the other games and import it as an "island" way out in the bay. Just to give modders a toolset for essentialy importing every elder scrolls game into Daggerfall.
Can we start with fixing Cybiades? It's not where it should be so either the world maps or the landmass needs to be moved, and its one dungeon entrance is underwater.
You explained DRM AMAZINGLY
I hope GOG stays
If it goes away I will actually cry
It got me obsessed with retro games and tech
Could you share your modlist for the footage? Seems great
I believe that it is the GOG cut
Good to know. Just grabbed it off GoG yesterday, planning to play tomorrow... Anyone got a good guide video or playlist or something about daggerfall unity and its modding methods?
I haven't played Daggerfall yet but found this video very entertaining and informative regardless.
Quality content.
I don't personally think Dream as it is too well because of upscaled textures and some overly detailed ones.
I see two interesting ways Daggerfall could be improved with the existing models (perhaps with the addition of trees and minutia):
- Handpainted textures, similar to the handpainted 3D models which look very nice. This would probably lead to a more cartoony/Zelda look.
- Improved pixel art. Some of the pixel art in the base game is good, but I've seen a few mods that not only add missing art (like reused assets), but improve it. This would be more akin to pixelated Minecraft texture packs, which can change the whole mood of the game without sacrificing visual consistency.
And like I said before, some simple things like 4-sided plane trees (which there is one mod that implements it) give the game such a big boost in charm that I think one could go about improving it without having to aim for unachievable "photorealistic" graphics.
Also seeing how there are a few mods coming out for 3D characters gives me hope we can get nice low poly pixelated 3D characters.
Actually the dream author has recommended mods to download alongside dream on his nexus mod page with links and also has presets for each one already installed in the main files. He does recommend hand painted textures, improved dungeons, etc. It looks much more graphically consistent with all his recommendations.
@@abstr4cted496 yeah, and I still don't like the result. I've played Daggerfall both with Dream + good mods to go along with it as well as without + low poly/pixel art mods.
I simply found the latter more charming, trying less hard to look "realistic" and more so with an intentional art style.
completely agree with this video smh. i was new with modding and got it great on an old compute but then had issues with my new laptop and getting to run properly so i figured oh this is great!!! gog already has dream which i really wanted most and a few convenient changes... sadly it was a crashing buggy mess that took forever to even load which is sad considering my laptop can play newer games etc. saddens me because i love daggerfall. also what mod did you use for health bars on enemies lol that could def come in handy
It's frustrating to see situations like this happen. It's like Halo CE and its shitty PC port by Gearbox; a poor job was done and it became part of the reputation of the game undeservedly.
I love these videos and the ideas they inspire! There is a way we can get simple law to provide some assurances. For example, if a platform chooses to take down something that was previously sold with indeterminate possession, then an open source version must be made available. Same could be said for versions of the game should it somehow create conflicts and prevent usage such as a patch for newer Hardware. So if I'm playing tiger fall in my Tesla and all the sudden Bethesda says that they want to take a hard stance of being against Elon Musk, they can't do that.
man, i finally refound your channel. It was lost to me for about a year, when I had to get a new computer. And BOOM. your channel gives me an answer for a retro game I wanted but had problems...RIGHT OFF the bat. For people who don't know, THIS GUY "Zaric" is great and is a genius. He tells the TRUTH about games that are "popular" but have problems. And a great gamer. Hard to accomplish his succesfful tactics and game play
Daggerfall is a bit too barren for me. But, there was something about it that kept me coming back to it. But, I could never play it for long. All this large world felt pointless when it was an empty flat world. That's why I am happy that new engine and modding exist. While I could never call myself a daggerfall fan given my feelings toward the original game, I can still tailor the experience for me. :)
Man I'd hate to pause the video midway to stand on a soapbox, but the whole "modpacks are bad" line was said and I can't help myself.
*Edit* Yes, I know Zaric is strictly not taking a stance here. I am though, so, so focus on that when raising your pitchforks. I love Zaric's content, and he's right to not take a stance. I'm the idiot painting a target on myself
*Edit 2* This statement isn't about the GOG Cut. It's about the concept of modpacks and lists being disliked by the mod develoeprs in general.
Modpacks/Modlists accelerate the scenes around the game, and incentivize mod creators to create mods that interact well with each other. This is a GOOD thing. Minecraft solved this problem years ago. Skyrim is just now finally understanding this.
That being sad, Daggerfall is so old and Unity is so stable anyways that I don't think modpacks/lists are necessary right now. I know next to nothing about modding, yet I got a running mod order with barely any work. Do I want to see a modpack/list utility to appear and transform the Daggerfall scene? Sure, yes please make it happen... but I am not in a rush for it.
I'll get off my soapbox.
The problem with a modpack in Daggerfall Unity is that it's still being updated and each new version can require mods to be updated as well. That's not the case of the other Elder Scrolls titles. I've often seen it mentioned by GOG Cut's curator that players can simply get the Cut and install the latest fixes, but that causes the issue that some of the included mods simply won't work anymore and crash the game as the start or later on while playing.
When DFU will hit 1.0 and, thus, will stop having changes to its core coding, then I see modpacks as a possibility... as long as they're updated by their curators.
For your average normie like me with next to no programming experience, modpacks are like the only way to actually enjoy mods. So yeah.
@@fingusa you don't need any modding experience for daggerfall. It's only extracting a mod (you will need 7zip or winwar for this I recommend 7zip) to it's own folder then putting the .dfmod file that's in that into the daggerfall unity mod folder (to get to the mod folder click on unity folder, then daggerfallunity_data, then streaming assets, then mods). Once you do all that start up unity and go to mods on the bottom left and make sure the mods are activated then hit save and close. If a mod needs to be moved to take priority over another it will ask if you want to sort the mods automatically just hit yes then hit save like I said above. EZ PZ. Just carefully read instructions. Daggerfall is literally one of the easiest games to mod.
Edit: added more info
MY GOD IT'S HIM YOUNG SENATOR ARMSTRONG!!
Yeah it still crashes. I have a pretty good PC and I had to let a quest run out simply because it kept crashing when I tried to travel to the quest dungeon. I also think the inclusion of skyshards by default was a very odd choice. I like ESO but those things just seem out of place in Daggerfall
I like and prefer mod packs when all the mods in there work well together. Like the all in one mods you sometimes see authors release that contain all of their overhauls instead of getting them individually.
@zariczhakaron What mod did you use for the inventory? It looks awesome and a bit Divinity-like 👍🏽👏🏿
Nevermind - found it, Uncanny Interface, but couldn´t get it to work, like last time... :-(
@@kristianbennedbk922 Wish this was less of a common story for mods.
Subscribed because you look ever so dapper in your power suit.
I use the GoG Daggerfall because I use Galaxy and have modded it to my expectations.
It's good of you to put some word out.
Yeah I was pretty unimpressed with the gog cut, but I still like that it's in my GOG library. I mean I've linked my main DFU to my steam version of Daggerfall, but that doesn't feel as authentic as downloading a working version of DFU on a game launcher like GOG
I was going to start playing the GOG cut of Daggerfall Unity, but before I did I did some background research that led me to this video. I think I won't play the GOG cut and instead do all the mods manually because, from what recent reviews say, these problems still exist.
ZAric, funny you would come with this topic about " do we really own our games " cuz, recently i had this thought, and create an isolated email for my gaming accounts, that way if my youtube Gmail is cut or something, my games are still mine.
What you said about video game graphics is essentially a much more specific version of mine: a game first has to be playable, only then and after look appealing. A pretty pair of shoes look nice, but you'd never wear them if every two steps you'd hurt your ankle.
I find it surprising that they threw in all these mods like DREAM without informing newer players that these mods need to be configured to work together correctly.
Just for some insight, the mods are already configured to work together with the GOG install according to the DREAM instructions. They aren't just the mods installed and nothing else, presets and options are done.
@@GamerZakhbro that wouldnt be the worst but my potatoe laptop specs 😅
Ive enjoyed Daggerfall Unity and found it much less of a hassle than my previous DU install. Can anyone suggest which mods I should add or take away to make it better? Subjective of course but give me your opinion.
The diplomacy mod he’s using in this video looks like a very cool start
I just downloaded the gog cut of this as it was recommended by ppl instead of downloading off of xbox pc gamepass. Was that a mistake, or is it all fine for just going through Daggerfall for the first time?
Bro these try hards will tell you no. But it's fine. I have 300 hour in gog version. It's amazing
Good video. On another note, I want someone to make a multiplayer mod already.
th-cam.com/video/r2yBhFBGo88/w-d-xo.html
github.com/EmptyBottleInc/DFU-Tanguy-Multiplayer
forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?t=5946
@@Zhakaron I saw, can't wait for a completed version
GoG cut for me crashes constantly especialy when reaching the overworld at all after dungeon 1
I did not know with the travel mod you could follow roads
GamerZakh should Accept GOG Offer for a Mod Load Order! 🎮 👾 📺
When can we expect a chat between you and Interkarma?
I figured I'd reach out to him when he finally decides to stamp 1.0 on it. His intention is to move onto personal projects and I'd like to get a sense for his future plans, give him a chance to advertise his next thing, if he indeed has a next thing.
@@Zhakaron awesome. It's long overdue.
That would drive me batty nutso for sure. Im so damn particular about my mod loadouts when it comes to bethesda games. Every little detail really matters. I personally prefer a more vanilla experience *most* of the time. Any mods i get are just additive things, like new clothes, new lore accurate weapons and armor, maybe new locations that are lore accurate and all that. And when i do add things that tread the line, theres a lot of thought put into it. Do i use this, or does it break the feel i want?
Its why i hate modpacks personally. Theres so many mods in the lists usually that im just personally fine without. And while it may take me a week to fully assemble a working loadout that im happy with, its well worth it.
So taking the GOG cut and doing what they did with it... My god. If i didnt know for some ungodly reason, or if i just wanted to start somewhere recommended, expecting an 'updated vanilla experience' and then later discovered it was far from it? Oof. Just oof.
EDIT:
Also i did want to point out that its not just daggerfall that benefits from a very good and proper mod loadout. And while i know its insenuated, most people never really think it fully through. If youre playing fallout 4, and youre experiencing frequent crashes. Its very likely because of your mod loadout. The same can be said with New Vegas, and Fallout 3, and likely even the other elder scrolls games. Ive been using the same FO4 modbuild for about 3 years now, and in that time, ive crashed maybe 3 or 4 times. (That said, i did hit the VATS bug, and could never fix that. :/)
Discs 📀💿 & Cartridges supremacy.
Is the long and short of this, "disable all mods in the GOG cut"?
What a beautiful summary!
The only mod you could ever really need for daggerfall is an unofficial patch to fix glitches with quests, etc. Other than that I feel like everything else in the game is perfect, just some quests are completely unplayable and unable to be completed without some kind of guide to tell you ever little thing that can go wrong, so you don't accidentally do anything that locks you out of finishing the quest, most of what can go wrong being glitches. If anyone is thinking about giving daggerfall a try I highly recommend trying it as raw as possible through daggerfall unity, but with no mods except for unofficial patches to fix glitches, it will give you the best experience imo.
You know the GoG version is not set in stone and you can customize the mods to your liking, right? Everyone is free to disable the mods they don't like or add additional content to the game.
Good thing I checked out this video. I trust and respect GOG, but I would of been disappointed with this mod pack.
I don't remember paying for dfu, does gog offer it for free? I think I downloaded it directly from the dfu page...
They only offer it for free bundled with a bunch of mods that if someone just clicks the big green download box and doesn't scroll down the main page, will think all those mods are actually part of DFU.
I don't see the point in modding the older elder scrolls games. Daggerfall is, imo, perfect outside of the bugs and ditto with Morrowind. Oblivion and Skyrim need mods to be enjoyable, but this is me, again. This coming from a guy who started with Oblivion, loved it, and went back to the older games.
To force mods on someone and not only that but repackage them as your own is a big fucking nono.
Damn, completely agree.
I share the same priority list for things I appreciate in a game.
Gameplay does come before aesthetics.
Sorry Zaric but I seriously think this is on glue-eating TH-camrs not comprehending the idea of a modded game rather than GoG. They literally include the list of mods they've included on it's GoG page. This all comes across as extremely condescending.
That is certainly a valid point of view, but it isn't the only one.
If it were just a handful of stupid TH-camrs, I'd agree with you, but there's a broad section of the user-base that is under the impression that DREAM and Daggerfall Unity are one in the same. This is a frequent problem born from improper expectations. I mean you could just say well everyone who thinks that is stupid (aka normal), well, it's time to design your storefront for stupid (aka normal) people because Daggerfall Unity is being inundated with them. Just talk to the primary Developers and Mod authors who work with Daggerfall Unity and they'll tell you how much of a problem this has been.
I have to wonder what metaphorical place you are standing that you feel condescended to where as I've been personally thanked by several prominent members of Daggerfall Unity's mod development for this video.
One thing I always liked since Morrowind (Sort of Oblivion but I can understand the exclusion but I think it can still be included) are silver weapons, yes being a Witcher in olden days of Elder scrolls was a possibility but you do not understand the important significant of silver weapons.
But things will never be as indepth as before morrowind and even to this day when Survival mode for fallout 4 came out and then skyrim that disable fast travel, there is never a dedicated packmule follower like they exist solely to be a pack mule, sure you can make any NPC a packmule but their performance as packmule is questioned, plus I do not want my packmule to fight but my followers don't listen and must fight hte bandit chief on the other side of the cave.
I guess GOG won’t be my first Unity experience? what about Daggerfall Unity Vanilla +? heard good things about that
wow, 8min in and still didn't get to the point
Bro he's a daggerfall pro, patience is paramount. If you're able to play the game, you're able to wait for him to explain. He does get to the point.
I didn't know Senator Armstrong was a classic RPG fan. Nice.
Where do I find your mod list?
th-cam.com/video/fiTLMOeEZ7Y/w-d-xo.html always the pinned comment on the first video of live stream playthroughs.
@@Zhakaron thanks 👍
When preservation and modernization are both goals, you get this I guess
Ask anyone who mods what they consider "Essential mods"
Good luck getting a clear answer, leave it up to each person to make that call
The clear answer is "none".
Performance fixes?
@@jesfest fallout new vegas says hello.
seriously though, the 4gb patch is necessary unless you like the game crashing.
@@theghostofthomasjenkins9643
Yeah, see, that's where things get spicy.
You didn't call it a 4gb mod, you called it a 4gb patch. Likewise, there are community patches out there for games.
Normally I wouldn't care about semantics, but if we are going the route that patches = mods, then the developers are just modding their game post-release, too.
If I need to contest this, then I'll change my phrase to "only the mods designed to optimize the game and remove bugs, like a developer would/should". Altering the gameplay beyond that is never essential, even if the majority prefers a mod over the original.
The second you change the intended gameplay experience is the second you've gone into subjective territory.
@@jesfest it's user created, so i still consider it a mod even if it functions as a patch. if it was dev created, then i'd consider it just a post-release update patch or even DLC, depending on size and content.
I was ok with my mod being in there, if they continued to update it to the new version.
Have they done this?
I think this whole video can boil down to, "It should be called the GOG modpack." The players just need to do 2 seconds of research and realize its a modpack... It's honestly a great starting point. Doing a custom modpacks for yourself requires you to know what the mods do after all. IMO the GOG cut is a modpack that is easy to find and get and it allows you to see many mods without going through every mod and deciding if you want it or not and then making sure it runs well, configuring, and has balance, its a lot of steps. I played OG daggerfall but decided to stop and wait for the unity and now that the time has come gog was offering a easy to install modpack so I am playing the GOG cut.
Even though I have a massive Steam library, I've kept all my physical copies as well.
Definitely anticipating the Wayward Realms.
I was honestly wondering if it was just me
i mean some games on steam can run even without launching steam, but yeah a lot of games do need steam to launch
If you download all your games from steam onto external hard drives. You have physical copies. Put steam into offline mode. Hook the drive up and play.
The games that wont work like this are the ones that require 3rd party launchers. Basically Ubisoft and others like it. Or games that require a online connection.
I would need like 5tbs of external hard drive space to download all my games.
Steam in offline mode is a great thing that I've used on various trips. There are logistical issues with keeping a copy of steam in offline mode forever however that you will eventually run into. The software wasn't made to work this way.
@@Zhakaron As long as your external drives aren't plugged in you can put steam online. I'm just saying if you got a game you dont want to update it's on a drive then put steam offlinem
@@Zhakaron I hate this whole digital PC gaming crap. My PC dosent even have a rom drive.
It's why I'm starting to buy games for the switch in physical copies. Because I own that copy.
It's also why I'm considering buying old hardware like a xbox 360. Still lots of good games on the 360 I've never played.
Steam offline mode doesn't always work. I've had it requiring me to log in at the worst time when I needed to use if offline before. Also when your OS isn't supported anymore by the launcher, then the offline mode doesn't help, even if you would only need to log in once for it to be useable. People who use unsupported OS-es are always the minority, I know.
10:13 - more like 5 years of grind mate :) with the rest, I agree - KoW
I enjoyed daggerfall unity gog cut, but i hated the fast travel mod, so i disabled it.
Same it made my character auto speed run thought my gaming was bugged I didn’t understand it I just wanted to fast travel like normal Daggerfall so I also turned it off that shouldn’t have been included in fact it should start with all mods disabled but pre installed so the user can decide what mods they want active.
What person in their right mind would want to download a game already modded for them? Half the fun of games with mods is picking and choosing which to install, then spending 12 hours trying to figure out why the thing keeps crashing.
Closer to a week for me, not 12 hours, but I turn it into a whole Live-Streaming modding experience that everyone can share with me.
You are saying this as if manually modding a game doesn't end up with 12+ hours of trying to figure out what's broken.
At least with modpacks, if they are done properly, the mods tend to vibe with each other.
I wish GOG had another version of the Ultima games besides DOS. Those were some of my least favourite versions. They look ugly like most DOS games of that time. At least the Apple versions knew the limitations of the graphics and stuck with a simple palate that was mostly just white, and the Avatar didn't look like Ernie from Sesame Street.
I agree with this, the gog cut is bad.
hey bro, any chance you could drop your modlist? i really like how your game looks in this video
It'll be linked in tomorrow's video
@@Zhakaron excellent, thank you and looking forward to it
And I am looking forward to Warhammer 40k Dawn of War Collection from GOG...
Damn. I don't suppose there's a version of DFU that isn't tied to Steam, nor has a 50-million-instructions-long instruction set to setup and install?
You are as succinct and comprehensive as they come, great stuff.