An Undeniable Prognosis (Best Atheist Arguments)
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Then don't. :)
The truth is even brilliant scientists have no way of proving how a singularity coming about and into existence at a finite moment (as is predicted by the equations of general relativity) and currently expanding with an edge can exist without outside agency, a creator, GOD.
EBER: Would we have solved the problem as to how or where the raw material that gave rise to the Big Bang originated-the singularity?
HAWKING: We might decide that there wasn't any singularity. The point is that the raw material doesn't really have to come from anywhere. When you have strong gravitational fields, they can create matter.
WEBER: But that's assuming that there's already something, namely the strong gravitational field, which is the source for the matter.
HAWKING: There doesn't really have to be any beginning to the universe. It might be that space and time together are like the surface of the Earth, but with two more dimensions, with degrees of latitude playing the role of time. In that sense, you can say that the surface of the Earth starts off at a single point at the north pole and as you move downwards in latitude; the circle gets bigger, and that corresponds to the universe expanding. When you get down to the equator, you reach a maximum size, and that corresponds to the universe reaching a maximum size.
WEBER: Why is it so important whether there is or is not an edge to space-time?
HAWKING: It obviously matters because if there is an edge, somebody has to decide what should happen at the edge. You would really have to invoke God.
If you like, it would be a tautology. You could define God as the edge of the universe, as the agent who was responsible for setting all this into motion. If you want a complete theory, then we would have to know what happens at the edge. Otherwise, we cannot solve the equations.
Gibberish!
nycinstyle but if you invoke god you must define him and his magical powers as well. You might say "but this is magic" but at a point, scientists thought magnets were magical as well from being able to draw metals toward them, to generating electricity, to generating a force with a change in current and now it is one of the most well known and studied phenomenon.
"Some myths deserve to be broken apart, out of respect for the human intellect."
That would be palatable if there were nothing higher than human intellect. However, your attitude is a conceit. The Creative Force in Nature stands above human intellect. Human intellect is fragile and vulnerable to delusion and prone to failure. Nature is perfect.
The universe, itself, is not always existing. Humans inhabit the universe. Life and intelligence cannot arise from inanimate matter and energy on its own. The likelihood of some type of Creative Outside Agency bringing about the universe is high. Impossible to reason no outside greater intelligence exists if the universe began into existence in a singularity as is predicted by the the equations of General Relativity backed by the scientific observations of Hubble.
Ask yourself atheist, how did I ultimately get here? Then try to reason there is no form of greater intelligence that exists to make you. Impossible. A distant Piper is what Einstein called God. He reasoned everything is determined. Even the thoughts in our heads.
@RUSSIAN ROBOT Have fun believing bullshit in your head. That is whst everybody but you thinks about what you write.
No kidding! I'm supposed to believe in all these things crammed down our throats in academic institutions, but....I refuse to be indoctrinated with religious rituals called peer review that can only be passed if massive assumptions are taken on blind faith.
Logic is so much more rewarding than just simply believing.
+MC Mark Markson (MusicLover) How is a belief in God not logical or rational?
Greg S Because for logic you need consistency. A belief in something you don´t know anything about is not logical as I define it. A belief that god created the universe in 7 days is not logical (also the universe is still expanding) A belief that we are all a product of incest (Adam and Eve the only humans...urg)
A belief that a god is loving yet condemns people to eternal torture is not logical. Or sacrificing his son the way he did.
If god wants humans to pray and worship him. He should speak up now since we have cameras now and would´t have to trust a 2000 year old book without any proof anything in there is true. An all knowing god should know how skeptical people with free will would be of writing like that.
It´s also not logical how the church is absurdly rich since it accumulated it´s wealth with it´s reign of terror in the past and shares very very VERY little with the poor and homeless.
To finish my point: Logic needs reason and there is no reason to belief in something you don´t know anything about but fairy tales. Is belief in Santa Claus logical?
Belief in god makes you stop thinking. That may be helpful if thinking gives you bad memories and you are too weak to comfort the negativity on your own. Or because your friends and family and local community are religious too and you grew up with it and don´t want to be left out.
I'll address most of your points.
1) there's no reason to interpret 6 days creation literally. In fact, this was even understood in the 3rd century as seen thru the writings of Origen and Augustine.
2) Who said you can't hold an evolutionary viewpoint and believe in God? I'm a Catholic, and the Church accepts it as very likely.
3) we are only punished according to what we do and if we love God. If I refuse to accept the drive within me to search for God, then I will go to Hell *because God will not force me to be with Him forever in heaven*. Would you want to spend eternity with God if you didn't want him here? No. While in Hell, I would be punished according to whatever unforgiven sin I committed. The counter to that is seeking forgiveness from God.
4) the Catholic Church is the single most charitable organization in the world. A large portion of its wealth that people criticize is focused in preservation of art and history. You don't see museums being criticized though, do you?
5) Finally, none if what you present disproves or even makes unlikely the existence of God. I asked if it is unreasonable to believe in a creator God. So, *why is it unreasonable to believe that the one thing that is non-contingent, eternal, and set the universe in motion is an ultimate creative being: God*?
Greg S 1) True. That´s why you don´t call it fact´s but belief. Good point.
2) You can! I said you SHOULD NOT. Because God is getting smaller the more knowledge we get of the universe. How much of the bible is simply wrong? Ever checked it?
3) So If I don´t want to go into heaven but did´t sin...where do I go? I did not refuse to accept the drive within me to search god. I looked and I found him. He is an old human definition for things humans could´t explain (Like fire and stars)
3.1 God kinda forces me to his will. Not wanting to submit to his will is a promised eternal punishment by the rules he put in place as written by various humans.
3.2 What sins do children that die in birth commit and what do they do after their death.Sucks on gods tit? Grow up? Cause no entropy..cause you are dead...not alive...
3.3 What is gods will anyway. Can you say it in your own words without quoting? And do you really qualify for heaven (He kinda has a lot of rules
4) proof? The Catholic Church is also the wealthiest and has had a long time of a tyrannical rule to acquire all that wealth for hundreds of years. Until Martin Luther stopped it a little bit at least (Since the church has been squeezing out the majority they had trouble feeding their families. Not prosper like the church with total autority.
The Catholic church has a lot to pay for. How much do you know about the church finances? I bet very little.
5. Lastly. Because since science has been created the existence of god seems less and less likely, not the other way around. We don´t know everything but if you claim god for everything that we don´t know of yet...well just wait until we disprove whatever you think god is.
There is neither logic or reason to belief in god So tell my why I should? In my belief it would serve poor people more if the money a church costs (several million. depending on size) would be spend on creating a home and food for poor people. Not just spend a little bit from your total income.
And the church is NOT the most charitable institution.I will disprove you instantly when you try with facts :D
Before I answer the other responses, I would like your proper response to #5. It wasn't a scientific question that I asked you, where you can simply say, "science hasn't provided that answer..._yet_...therefore, the question is irrelevant"
(quotes used for paraphrasing).
Did I not give a very logical reason for God: *What do you propose set the universe in motion and/or brought it into creation?* What else could it be? By virtue of it causing/moving nature, is it not supernatural? Does it not appear to be an eternal, all-powerful, creative/designing entity, given the outcome (i.e. The universe)? This is a question that is philosophical, not scientific.
You've not answered this other than saying _there is no logical reason to believe_.
knock knock
--"Who is it?"
-"It's me, Jesus. Let me in."
--"Why do you want in?"
-"I want to save you."...
--"Save me from what?"
-"From what I'll do to you if you don't let me in.
Cris .LaFlames The Jew says, "Christians and Muslims are wrong!"
The Christian says, "Jews and Muslims are wrong!"
The Muslim says, "Jews and Christians are wrong!"
Atheist says.. You’re all correct!
Cris .LaFlames Jesus walks into a inn, hands the innkeeper three nails, and says, "Can you put me up for the night?"
Cris .LaFlames Religions seems to be a very touchy subject, especially when a priest sees some young boys enter the church.
@@rushhour775 Oof
Harsh
It calms me to hear a crowd clapping for arguments like these instead of spreading hate.
Me too, my friend. Thanks for stopping by, check out some of my other videos some time. :)
Yeah, with one hand.
Same
Hate is driving force behind any religion because it simply doesn't allow free thinking !!
Religion is responsible for the loss of many of our species because they didn't believe in that same religion !!
It's good to be an atheist because you can't kill, oppres, discriminate, rape, abuse, insult or even thank some one in the name of NOTHING.
If you happen to do so, it's your own responsibility and that's what's lacking all people that believe in any kind of religion or higher power.
Personal responsibility !!
@@classesanytime if we had no religion this world would be horrible. Peopled be killing and raping all over the place. Having an objective source for things is the only reason we're talking rn.
Science flies you to the moon. Religion into Skyscrapers
nice
Oops, my bad.
Look at the two Koreas! Both were devistated by the Korean War! South Korea went on to become a First World/industrialized/prosperous/modern nation with a 30 plus % Christian minority & is growing with religious freedom! North Korea touts itself as an "official atheist state" & even fortune telling has died out! What fortunes are there for them? North Korea is a Fourth World communist/atheist hell-hole, however being an atheist state should have been more prosperous than South Korea with growing Christianity & religious freedom! In N.K., the Bible & Christianity are both illegal !!!!!
+RonSafreed I don't think that North Korea is an atheist state, considering they worship their dictator as a god.
TH-cam Account Yeah, I would've typed that out but I got lazy.
Being an agnostic in an Arabic country is hard. I can't tell even my mother because if I did I'm sure she'll kick me out of the house or something worse. I hope that this generation stops believing in this nonsense in order to build a better country with no racism sexism homophobia pedophilia or descrimination. 🙏
That's tough. Try to get into college abroad and escape. No one should have to face that torture
Let me see if I'm getting this right, your saying pedophilia, homophobia, sexism, racism, exist because of the belief in God??
@@georgehunt6381 I don't quite think that's what she is saying. If you look at most Arabic counties those issues are way more prevalent because people believe such horrible behavior is morally absolute based on their Religious beliefs. As a matter of fact pretty much all Abrahamic monotheistic religions (Islam, Christian, Judaism, etc) if taken serious and litteral one can make racism, sexism, homophobia, pedophilia and discrimination seem like a moral act of "God". Just read the Quran, Torah or the Bible. Those books are flooded with such toxic traits and of taken litteral on can think their toxic behavior is "God's" absolute moral will.
@@EJ-jx9te I was writing my answer with reservation seeing the Arabic background and knowing that much discrimination is a way of life in that region if the world. I was looking for the author perspective.
However, I must disagree with you in your remarks towards Christianity and the Scriptures. I've been a believer and have studied the Bible for close to 40 years now. There is nothing in those pages that encourages that type of behavior. If I said that no one in the christian word act that way, we both know that would be a lie. Unfortunately, some do. Some just have a narrow mind and belief they have a right to oppose their hatred on others.
@@georgehunt6381 The Bible is full of some of the most sadistic crap. And if taken litteral it can influence people to act in a very negative way. Just look at all the hate expressed by Religious fanatics and fundamentalist. Look at the Dark Ages. Look at the Crusades. Now most Christians now a days are not this evil (most don't take the Bible litteral anymore) but we can't turn a blind eye to the sadistic stuff in the Bible and act like it can't be used to promote hate.
Here are some examples of such evil:
Genocide:
The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (and the death of every person inside) (Genesis 19:24), the destruction of Jericho (Judges 1:8), the massacre of the Philistines (Samuel 23:2), the genocide of the Gezrites and Amalekites which “left neither man or woman alive” (Samuel 27:8) the killing of 127,000 Syrians because they said the Israelites worshiped a God of the hills but not a God of the valleys (1st Kings 20:28), the murder of every member of the religion of Baal (2nd Kings 10:19-27) killing 120,000 men for not worshipping God (2nd Chronicles 28:6) and killing two thirds of the Moabites and making the rest slaves (2nd Samuel 8:2).
Racism/Discrimination:
Chapter 25 of the book of Numbers (verses 1-13) tells of when the Israelis began to inter-marry (it uses the term “commit whoredom”) with the Moabites, a neighbouring ethnic group with a different religion. This provoked the rage of God who commanded Moses to “hang them”. One man had married a “Midianitish”. An Israeli, Phinehas killed both of them with a javelin. God praises him for this and declares he “hath turned my wrath away from the children of Israel.” He then rewards him with a “covenant of peace” and the covenant of everlasting priesthood.” Moral of the story, God doesn’t want you to mix with people other you’re own.
Mixed marriages are denounced again. When Nehemiah was governor he found that Jews had inter-married with other ethnic groups. He “cursed them, and smote certain of them” for committing “this great evil”. He concludes with a malicious vague sentence Thus “cleansed I them from all strangers”. (Nehemiah 13:23-30) The exact form of this ethnic cleansing is not described. Yet this is included (without criticism) in the Christian holy book and we are supposed to worship and live our lives according to it.
Far from being open to all people, non-Israelis were actually banned from joining the religion. “An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever;” (Deuteronomy 23:3) So even if an extremely distant ancestor was from a neighbouring ethnic group, you could not become a Jew. Only pure Israelis could join.
The book of Nehemiah (chapter 13) records that when people were told of this law, “they separated from Israel all the mixed multitude.” (Nehemiah 13:3) So here we have an ancient version of ethnic cleansing.
Sexism:
The sexism begins at the very beginning of the Bible where man is crated first (the implication being as he’s more important). Woman on the other hand is created from a small part of man’s body (his rib) as “a help” for man (Genesis 2:18). The standard argument to justify sexism for centuries quoted Genesis claiming God himself intended women to solely attend the needs of men. Just to make it clear when Adam and Eve are banished from Eden (note how in the story Eve is the guilty one while Adam is innocent, further justification for sexism) as punishment god declares that Adam “shall rule over thee”. (Genesis 3:16) This we have the beginning of the justification for the second class treatment of women.
It only gets worse. Women are not to have any influence; in fact it is preferable that they do not even speak. 1st Corinthians (14:34-5) says “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak: but to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame to speak in the church.” So not only should they not speak but they should also obey their husbands (the only cases where I have heard the use of obedience in the house is for children and dogs). They should also be kept ignorant of anything their husband doesn’t want them to know. Way to go Bible on degrading the status of half the world’s population!
Just in case I’m using an extreme or obscure example, I’ll give more examples. Ephesians 5:22-5 “Wives submit yourselves unto your husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church.” So your husband is like God and should be obeyed as such. This arrogance is clear proof that the Bible was man-made. Colossians 3:18 also declares “Wives, submit yourselves unto your husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.” So hear that ladies, God is telling you to do everything your husband tells you.
This is not all; in fact I’m only getting going. 1st Timothy 2:11-5 says “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” This is probably the most offensive and sexist comment of them all. It combines forbidding women to speak, keeping them in subjugation (according to the dictionary this means to bring under control or to enslave), declaring they can never be above man (presumably then always beneath him) and tops it off by proclaiming they have nothing worth listening to.
Then there is Romans 7:2 which says “For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth.” St Peter (the one who founded the Christian Church) said (1st Peter 3:1-3) “ye wives, be in subjugation to your own husbands.” This is a practice the Church continues to promote to this day.
Slavery:
“You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.” (Leviticus 25:44-46)
“When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.” (Exodus 21:20-21)
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.” (Ephesians 6:5)
“Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts.” (1 Timothy 6:1-2)
Pedophilia:
Joseph as grown man marries a 12-13 year old Mary.
It's OK to sell your daughter (no mention is made of age) to a man for him to use as a sex slave.
if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant ... If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed ... If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. Exodus 21:7-10
Homophobia:
Lol I'm not even going to comment on that. There are far too many texts to choose from
I think I speak for most atheists when I say that I'm not 100% sure god doesn't exists, Im only 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%
sure.
TeaPea102938 *numerical value continues* 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
Well, I'm 100% sure that the God of the Bible doesn't exist... He's obviously too retarded to be a real god.
well then, what happens when you (after your death) you find that a God does exist? At least you won't really lose anything when all your life you believe in god then find out he doesn't exist. At least, if he doesn't exist, then there is no afterlife and you'll turn into nothingness--simply non-existent. Whereas, what if you God does exist and you all your life having not believed in a god, finds out he exists?
You'll practically lose everything.
Marini Fernandez Someone who believes something based on Pascal's Wager is not being honest with themselves. Atheists have "faith" that no god would exist that would eternally punish a sentient being for being rational, logical, and honest, and seeking the truth as BEST we can, rather than what you propose which is to PRETEND to believe and then expect a god to not recognize this false pretense. I think God would reward those who are most honest with themselves, if he indeed does exist. Those who are fakers, can go to hell. Including faking a belief in any god.
Agreed teapot, you do speak for most atheists because like you they also overcompensate in their rhetoric because their logic is flawed and they have a weak argument. I'm 99.87586878574635244757% sure of that, lmao
"Some myths deserve to be broken, out of respect for human intellect."
This should be remembered
It's a myth that you have to work hard to be successful in life
""Some myths deserve to be broken, out of respect for human intellect."" How about the myth of atheism? Out of respect for human intellect, provide some evidence for your belief in atheism. There is good evidence for the existence of the biblical God. Look at the arguments based on scientific evidence such as the kalam cosmological agrument, the argument from fine tuning, etc... The philosophical argument from morality. The historical evidence for the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. If you don't have evidence for your position (most atheists don't), at least start with countering the evidence for the existence of God. Atheism is wishful thinking, based on what? Confirmation bias?
I dare any religious person to prove the existence of their specific God or Gods without involving the words/phrases.
1 - Look around you.
2 - The *insert holy book* says this.
3 - Okay but ... *insert another question to dodge previous question.*
Creation. Something has to be made from something. Nice try though.
Daft Jared
Alright, if something has to be made from something, who made God?
Daft Jared
Also, let's say that your argument is valid (it's not at all) it still doesn't prove your specific God is the true God. Buffoon.
A specific God is irrelevant until any form of God can first be proven. God (whichever God) is a necessary being. We as humans, within our universe are contingent. This means that we (and the universe) must come from something as we continue into our existence, making us contingent. God, however, is necessary, meaning that he is the fundamental being that is and forever will be the source of all things. Nothing has created God, for he is not contingent, and as humans our minds are simply incapable of processing this factor, as we are restricted to the laws of our contingent universe.
And the only way you can prove there is a SPECIFIC God is through the individual's own beliefs. This is through revelations, whether through personal experience or oral and written communication. Arguing a specific God is found within the roots of religions themselves and actually calls for a different conversation.
Man I would kick ass as god, I'd end all suffering on my first day an you wouldn't even have to worship me.
Good point, I think even Hitler who is widely considered one of the worst humans ever would struggle to be as fucked up as the Christian god, even if he wiped out everyone in the world except white people that still one ups the flood that killed everyone and since he sterilized or killed sick people he would probably do away with sickness to.
+blakdust3 Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
+M.H. Bales " And God allows evil to happen because very often good can come from it. "
Do you please mind elaborating here ?
What good can happen from some deadly virus such as Ebola ?
A young kid has cancer, is he supposed to be happy just because " something good MIGHT happen " to him ?
+blakdust3 If you had no suffering at all, how would you know?
+Nightverslonn Well, because I'm god I invented it (for some reason)
If you have an heart atack..... would you prefer someone takes you to church or to an hospital?
Some really deluded people would say church. Thanks for stopping by, check out some of my other videos sometime. :)
Hospital. Heres one for you, if after that heart attack you find yourself on your death bed, would you rather there be a God or no God.
@@Kimkong2 no god.. because there is none
@@ryanc2115 exactly my point. With God its never an issue about rationality , even in an analogy where hypotheticals are drawn im expected to answer, but when i ask mine, you dismiss it with "there is none'". You just do not want a God, even if He did exist.
@@Kimkong2 because he doesnt until proven otherwise
“Who created the universe to have a relationship with one species of primate..........Lucky us”🤣
Sam Harris ftw. Thanks for stopping by, check out some of the other videos on the channel if you get a chance.
I love Sam Harris, just had to put that out there 😂.
Nice strawman
I dont understand this can you explain thanks
Sam harris sounded more like doing a stand up bit. Lol
If you need an old book of fairy tales and an imaginary man in the sky to tell you not to kill, covet, cheat, and steal, then there's something innately wrong with you to begin with.
Nah, people need God to confirm what they have in their hearts already.
All those are actually cultural constructs. Animals kill, cheat, steal and take from each other all the time. Survival of the fittest is the only law for them. At some point we humans have decided that it'd be nice if we could all feel a little more safe from each other and created laws to dissuade people from those things, and they are now a norm all around the globe.
These things are taught to children by adults, they're not in their hearts as they are born.
Timo Rutanen that’s incorrect. Empathy and morals are a result of cognitive thought and our ability to think about things that we can’t just see in front of us
@@dylanbuckley2928 pretty sure empathy is learned. Small kids have no concept of a perspective different than their own (check out the subject called theory of mind), and in fact children seem to not pass the "Unexpected contents" test before four or five years.
And morals are DEFINITELY a cultural construct.
Funny how atheist are trying to disprove the Bible. The Old Testament is archaic, the stories never happened, or certain ones never did, is some of the banter I've come across. But then thet get to the New Testament and they cannot disprove Christ. There is to much evidence, by the Scriptures, others historians of that time, and other major religions that prove Christ walked the earth and was crucified.
So, atheists are changing the dates of events and the times the books were written along with the authors names of the books, anything to try and disprove the Word of God.
They want to do this so they can live their life as they please, do as they want, with no consequences.
But since God is the Almighty and creator of all things, His Word will stand forever. And Scripture clearly shares that those who reject Christ and choose to die in their sins will pay the penalty of eternal separation from God, and I'll leave at that.
The truth is simple, Science does all the hardwork and Religion takes the credit .
Point blank truth my friend, said it all. Religion for me, is like that mistletoe on the Apple plant, happy to eat away common sense and fact just for the purpose of maintaining it's purpose of profiting from mental slavery.
Regarding the Creator, science will always be just what the cups can think to understand the man who made them. This is the comparison used by God to make us understand our limitations (the HUGE difference between us and divinity). Therefore, we will never have mind capabilities to understand how God (the Creator) has come into existence.
1) Science and Religion are mutually exclusive
2) Humans started using "science" a long time ago, even if this specific term wasn't used at the time. It has developed slowly over the years, although much quicker recently. Many religious people contributed greatly towards science and scientific theories, which allowed us to build on them and advance. The foundation was set by many religious people, and without a foundation you can't build a house. Unfortunately these people aren't mentioned often because they were of a particular "religion". As far as I am aware, the scientific method itself (which we use today) came from a Muslim called Ibn-Al-Haytham. He is often referred to Alhazen. I wonder why...?
It's an interesting topic that needs to be researched on more - an advice to myself, you and anyone reading this.
To reject the existence of an uncreated or uncaused first cause is to reject the principle of sufficient reason. The only way science can make sense of the created universe is because the universe is intelligible. Therefore, the universe is intelligible only because it must have been thought into being by a great primordial transcendent intelligence (note - this is not an argument supporting "intelligent design" but the case for "intelligibility." That great primordial transcendent intelligence is the uncreated uncaused first cause through which the universe and everything in it came to be, or God..
@Materia There is no problem between the truth about God/Jesus and evolution. The Creator of all seen and unseen (God) is outside of time and His creation was made through evolution (in our perception).
All this reality could not evolve randomly by itself, without intelligence behind, from that singularity expanded at Big Bang, that singularity coming from what? from nothing? The evolution of the Universe to the present time reality proves intelligence, otherwise nothing more complex like intelligent life could ever be produced.
The "intelligence behind", mentioned above, may be the exact value of the speed of light matching the manifestation of what we call "gravity" working together since the primordial conditions to form in the end intelligent life that is able to feel/understand/admire/enjoy/respect/love the Creator.
1/2 > 1/3 > 1/4 > ... 1/n > ... 1/infinite proves that we can go infinitely to smaller numbers greater than zero, which in physics means that we can go infinitely to smaller things, in other words science will never be able to know from what this reality is made.
No matter how small a particle is, the system of reference can be decreased to its level of size and see that it is made from smaller things, and so on, this is the infinite involved. In other words, anything is made from something smaller and also it is included in something bigger. Any physicist knows this fact but most of them will not admit it publicly.
“What if you’re wrong about the great Juju at the bottom of the sea?” One of the best ever
I thought it was funny that on first pass it was "Juju up the mountain" and then Juju lost a few thousand meters of height
I really love his book The God delusion
Aaaaaaaand *drops mic*
Titus Gray Yeah but I’m from Cameroon central west africa and the mountain Juju is a real belief and there are actually physical juju’s which are people. I dont believe they hold any power but a LOT of folks do
Rather juvenile but you know what can you expect with what he was given
"But he loves you!"
And he needs money.
Genius
Don't you think that while falling into that argument, a person admits being a miserable loser with no one to love them but imaginary friends?
You all are saying that because you either come from a catholic or protestant society. They're the reasons why we have a growing number of atheists on the world. If Orthodoxy was the most populous branch of christianity, I'm sure all of you would've had different stances than you have now. However, that is just my opinion.
@@markoscream8466 your opinion is not a fact; and atheists exist because of religion; if they didn’t exist of course atheist wouldn’t exist; religion is dogma, atheist have to exist in order to fight biases and utterly bullshit
I used to be Christian until I realized how idiotic it was. It would have made sense back in a time where our universe was mysterious and complex and scientific principles were just starting. Now as our technology progresses we start to discover more things about our creation. Religion is basically an easy way out to explain the unexplained instead of diving deeper to find its actual source.
Brace yourselves for the youtube hate comments
+Kevin De Souza So you said, "Back in the time our universe was mysterious, therefore Christianity made scene." Now with our higher technology, how dose the universe come to existence. Think about a logical explanation of how the universe existed. Here is an argument I would like you to consider.
1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause
2. The universe began to exist
3. Therefore, the universe has a cause
Someone had to create the universe, I can't just make itself, because then it would have to already exist, which means the universe exist before it exist. Therefore someone made the universe.
+Roddy Yeh Well there is right and wrong in the world, If there is right and wrong, then there must be a moral law. Moral law can't just come from nothing, so there must be a moral law giver. Moral law giver is God.
I still think religion is a great way of promoting morals and ethics, people just way too carried away in it. I just dont really believe in all the god stuff
+Teresa workman
It amazes me the level of denial people of faith have. They've been so brainwashed they can no longer entertain the idea that there may not be a god. As if "mora law" couldn't possibly have been invented and written by man. Religion is a man made IDEA. God didn't radio signal these ideas into someone's head so they could document them for all mankind. Think about hour outrageous that sounds. Have a look at how the Mormon faith was created. Joseph smith invented a religion on his own terms and people actually followed him. It's not far fetched to believe that someone did something similar 2000 years ago with Christianity. Especially with no way for common people to fact check these bizarre ideas.
Fairly sure the religious people in this comment section didn't even watch the video, they just scrolled down to the comments to make an irrational rant. I simply refuse to believe that a grown human being can watch this video, understand what is being said (especially Neil deGrasse Tyson's points), let it sink in and still not find it reasonable.
Julian Nikolay Krogh-Fredriksen It is hard to believe... but it is happening. :/
I didn't get any substantial arguments and legitimate grounded points from Neil Tyson just statements and opinions that do not have background, explanations, and examples. :) I'm so sorry.
Marini Fernandez No, we're sorry. You poor thing.
Marini Fernandez Yeah Neil is cool but he didn't back up his information.
TheYakuza49 Back up his information? He drew logical conclusions based on facts and circumstances, what information is there to back up? The fact that you think there's information to be backed up here just shows that every shred of logical reasoning in this video just flew past you.
"But he loves you" that had me dying laughing.
And he neeeds money!
@@zeljkobankovic4592 And you need comment likes
Same 😂😂
were you laughing when he did not even know the basic doctrine he was quoting is catholic and not in the bible at all but based on Dante's Inferno and adopted by the pagan catholic church and not Christian? Wow nate you are a naive puppet and all i can say to you is baaa baaa little sheep..you are a scammed moron.
@@bretzajac9068 stop being gay please
What if we are some Alien's kid science project and he/she got a C minus on it...
If that's the case the teacher was way too kind.
are you assuming an alien kid's gender?
(jk)
I wonder who got an A
Repent YOU sinner. One day YOU will die. YOUR pride has blinded YOU to that fact. YOU are not YOUR own god and YOU are not a soulless being that will stop existing once YOUR body stops functioning. Humble YOURSELF and PREPARE to meet YOUR Creator.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
The Asian alien kid.
The easiest way to become an athiest
read the bible.
muhammad dawood i have a litle. It was enough.
muhammad dawood 2/191 and some more after that. It kinda said that you sould act in fear of Allah. I have the ” right ” to say whatever i want.
muhammad dawood All the Good things that i have ever heard from the quran have been common sence for me. Those are things you sould be able to figure out anyway. No need to make it hard to find in a book full of other shit. Fine act in fear of your god, but thats not a god i would pray to even if he was real, which he is not btw. Good day and godbye sir.
Reading and misinterpreting Bible scriptures is a good way to become atheist
@@kingyoung5228 Could you tell me one thing that you got from religion that you wouldent have gotten without it? Because to me that never happend. The bible is just a mess of all kinds of scientifically imposible stories. With some kind of hidden moral of the story thats just easy to misinterpret, and therefor misleading. I understand that you can learn a lot from it, its just that you can lern a lot from other things aswell. You would have to be a master of cherry picking to make sence out of the bible. When you can just grab books about sience and
psychology, and basically deal with anything in a rational manner.
Christian forgiveness = Worship me or be tortured for all eternity.
It´s funny how accurate it is to compare religions like Christianity and Islam to Mafia. Anyone speaking against it get´s burned and tortured to death. How many life´s it took to remove religion from power (although not completely...too rich and powerful still) Children get raped...yet nothing is done because the church has billions to spend and shut families up. And still they are heavily involved in politics. Tax free money, anti women group financing against abortion rights. Condoms are the devil and you still can get the death penalty in 3rd world countries where education is hard to get and the church is heavily involved with tax payer money.
"Believe in Me so you will be saved"
Man and this world has been poisoned by sin, we can see that everyday, death, war, famine, murder terrorism etc etc. God wants us to be saved, and in order to be saved, we first must want to be saved, we must first choose to be saved.
God saved/is saving us from Satan and from the judgement/punishment for Satan which is the lake of fire aka Hell.
Since Satan injected us sin/venom(Satan is the serpent in Genesis turned Red Dragon in revelation) we are poisoned. Jesus Christ is the antidote.
This can be pictured in the Old Testament during Moses' time, when the Israelites rebelled against God and Moses, God let the people be bitten by venomous snakes, but God instructed Moses to make a brazen serpent and put on top of his staff, all people who look at it will be saved.
Both Heaven and Hell are for volunteers only, thats weird?
God is beyond natural, why do people ask for "scientific evidence" that is only limited to the "natural" for something that is beyond natural.
@the Bible is the most accurate source of God, how the world was created, why the world was created, what is the purpose of man, where is man going after death, it has proven prophecies, proven past prophecies as we can see in history, Israel today is restored to its glory days, a superpower, but was scattered across the world for centuries, the sign of the end-days where people will be God/Christian-haters, we can see it today, Christians are being treated badly and they don't even appear in the news while other religion such as Islam is being tolerated and muslims are being babied in other countries.
I am from Algeria. I am 23 years old. I left Islam when I was 18 years old. I live in a dark and hypocritical society and I'm very tired from that.
I want a normal life and get a fair chance.
I want help to escape this country
Come to Canada.
Go to Europe its near 2 u
hhhhhhhhhhh you are really that desperate ! even pretending toà be atheist anddd begging in the comments . Yikes. lah yahdik
Move to a western country legally and work hard at a job.
Can’t go wrong with that
@The Word Yikes. Go preach somewhere else where ppl are braindead. Your relegion has 0 credibility . you bible is written by people you know nothing about beside the fact that they might have seen jesus or not . How much christianity changed and got update like an android is ridiculous.
It makes me so happy to see such a great comment section.
Fudz it’s definitely entertaining!
Logically, it's about one step above Blightfart.
I thought it would be a nuclear war here
@@VentilatorenBumser Online atheist ideas are much better received than irl, but frankly I’ve seen a lot of hateful and regressive comments here from both sides.
it surprises me and discourages me to see so many atheists wow
Atheism:
A personal relationship with reality.
Well said :)
Could you explain your throught process that lead you to this conclusion? I can't quite follow you here.
It's quite self explanatory, I thought.
That's true. I misread. My bad.
Perfectly defined ...personal relationship with reality !!
If God existed, there would be only one religion. Humanity
Such a simple statement, but most definitely true. With clear evidence for that god, who could deny it? Thanks for stopping by, check out some of my other videos if you get a chance. :)
Proud to see an indian here
@@Official-tk3nc Indian Physics Student 😂
Òfficial lumbee tribe of NC :)
@@GodWorksOut God wasnt discovered, God is a pseudoscientific invention
I used to feel so alone for rejecting religious teachings, but I’m more and more grateful these technologies have made it possible to hear others from around the world coming to the same conclusions and expressing them.
We are numerous! Don’t feel so alone!
that's nice to hear. For how long were you not religious? I am curious how rare it was or what were the reactions of people when you said you weren't religious when we didn't have things like TH-cam. I assume it would have been very difficult. Thank you.
"Some myths deserved to be broken apart out of respect for the human intellect"
You can hear that he came up with that sentence on the fly.
A freestyle rap expert would say:" this man spitin some straight faxx bro".
And i be perfectly honest that would be very correct.
Mr. Tyson do be spiting facts indeed.
7:50 - The best argument here. Religion enables billions to believe in things only lunatics would believe on their own.
Just like in early English class we learn about concrete & abstract nouns!!!!! Many things in the "spiritual" deal with things abstract !!!! Material things are concrete, inmaterial things are abstract!!!! Like love, joy, peace,hate,sadness,despair are things abstract! The Bible talks about things "visible & invisible", or inother words "concrete & abstract" !!!
RonSafreed I would argue that even the most abstract interpretations of the Bible are based on some concrete core ideas: 1) physical people can be messengers of god.
2) God is a concious being who likes intervening with people's lives and actually has some concrete messages to people 3) Some dudes actually wrote the word of god down in a book, and you should trust it
Look at the two Koreas! South Korea has a 30 plus% Christian population & growing with religious freedom for all! South Korea is a modern/prosperous First World Nation ! North Korea touts itself as an official "ATHEIST" nation but is a borderline "Fourth World" nation & hell-hole! The atheist north should be more richer than the south being atheist(even fortune telling has died out in the north)!
RonSafreed You think that has anything to do with religion, rather than politics? North Korea has a dynasty of insane dictators who've screwed up the country. Could've happened no matter how religious the population was
Tell you Ben North Korea has gone farther to restrict religion even more so than many other communist countries now & in the past!
About that "gay isn't a choice" bit. I just realized something. You see people everywhere say "you don't get to choose who you fall in love with", and everyone is gushing with tears at the poor girl and the choice she has to make for love... so touching. But not if you're gay. If you're gay you get to choose who you fall in love with, and you better choose right. Cause if you don't the only crying will be yours while you burn in hell.
Is that double standards or what? Who do these people think they are telling others what they should do with their private lives?
Cristi Neagu Yes, it is madness. Thank you for your comment and don't forget to subscribe! ^_^
Remember, Christians are all about love, family, and equality. That is why they are so against the gays for asking to be able to love, have a family, and be considered equals in society.
It is so obvious isn't it?
Christianity is the indoctrination into hypocrisy!
They often have these phrases as well
1) Being gay is a choice
2) Being gay is a disease
3) Christianity is the cure for this disease
So basically, does that mean Christianity is the cure for free will in this case? Lol.
FreeHomeBrew
Christians have been very effective with their methods to pray the gay away. The have created a culture that views gays as immoral and lower in sociopolitical standings. This effect means Christian gays are 30% more likely to commit suicide, and in many peoples opinion it raises the non-christian suicide rate as well. Here is their effect on the world.
On July 9, 2010, fifteen-year-old Justin Aaberg of Andover, Minnesota, hanged himself in his own bedroom. His mother claimed school bullies had frequently targeted him because of his homosexuality.1
Billy Lucas, another fifteen-year-old from Indiana, was next. His mother found him hanging from the rafters of their barn on September 9 after enduring, according to a close friend, ongoing harassment from classmates, including shouts of encouragement to “go kill himself” because he was a “fag.”2
Two weeks later, a thirteen-year-old, straight-A student from Houston, Texas, named Asher Brown followed suit. On September 23, a classmate reports, the homosexual boy was kicked down a flight of school stairs by another student, whose friend then kicked his books away from him before booting Asher down the remaining steps. The next day he used his stepfather’s 9mm Baretta to shoot himself.3
Within four days, a second thirteen-year-old’s life ended when Seth Walsh of Tehachapi, California, hanged himself in his backyard after suffering years of anti-homosexual bullying.4
And finally, in perhaps the most publicized of the cases, Rutgers University student and musician Tyler Clementi jumped off a New Jersey bridge after the nineteen-year-old’s roommate secretly videotaped Tyler’s sexual encounter with another man, then streamed the images to countless viewers over the Internet.5
Mee Eee It's how death will cure all ailments eh? Maybe they should start praying away the common cold as well. Or better yet, praying back the mutilated genitalia of people everywhere to their natural state. I'm curious to see the result.
Instead of praying for people in need, we help them
Instead of quoting bible passages, we analyze, study and record the facts
Instead of fearing hell, we know this life is our one and only heaven
- An Atheist
A Christian lady asked me what I believe in I said I don’t believe in a God .Her angry response was “so do you believe in anything a plant?” This is the kind of nonsense I have a problems with.
The average Christian is not adept at debate. But the quality of someone's snappy come back does not reflect on the veracity of what they believe.
Keira, what did she mean "anything a plant"?! As a non-native english speaker, i'm unable to understand what that question can POSSIBLY refer to... :-s
@Mister Privacy and i could show you things never before seen within Jules Verne's (or Asimov's if you don't want them to be around already) novels... The universe is so much greater than that one ancient and obsolete book. :-|
btw @Jordan P thanks for your clarifications. Seems like it was indeed just another poorly phrased* religious idea, like the one that has been pissing me off for years now: "do i believe in dinosaurs?"... Like, believe WHAT about dinosaurs? That they existed? That they were generally immense in size? That they mostly went extinct by now? :-<
*And not just poorly phrased, but quite inane as well... How does one NOT believe in things they can see? I mean, i'm all for the simulation hypothesis, but even then, in the context of the simulation all those things still exist.
They really should learn better communications skills.
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Religion, more specifically Christianity, ruined my life. So proud to be an atheist.
Jimmie A I am sorry to hear that. We have a decent atheist community on social media! Don't forget to subscribe!
GodWorksOut Hey since I overcame the delusion it's gotten better :) And you got it, subbed!
Jimmie A not exactly sure you know what it means to be a christian, why not ask around? i guarantee if you look iot up or ask some sort of philospher they'll tell you its abiut "doing the right thing" and "obeying God or youll go to hell". Which is wrong on every level. Ask someone
LightofAether81 I do know what it means and I was in fact a Christian for 19 years before realizing it was bullshit. The fact that I put so much time and effort into what is obviously a delusion was pretty much what did it, I missed out on so much. On top of that, my thinking was clouded for a while; I was not thinking logically and denied proper reason.
GodWorksOut "Don't forget to subscribe" i hate people begging for subscribers
The fact that it absolutely has to be believed, or else.... is what should tell you all you need to know about its truthfulness , as a truth absolutely does not need to be believed, it only needs to be known. A lie on the other hand, needs all the belief it can muster, for without believers, lies can do nothing by wither away in the winds of time.
+IIIRotor Well said and so very true.
MissDistarr60 wisdom
RUSSIAN ROBOT I am an atheist. I do not hate religion. I will gladly listen to your evidence. I have done so many times with many people. Not once have I heard anything that was worthy of the title “evidence”.
people who believe in god are irrational enough to not understand what you said. its not important to them.
"Tell me the reasons why you don't believe in all the other gods and that's the reason why I don't believe in yours."
That is pretty cool.
Well the three main religions of the world ostensibly believe in the same God. the only other two major religions of the world are Buddhism, which ashews the idea of any gods, and Hinduism which has many (sort of). The thing about Hinduism is that it actually only has one God, which is sub-divided into multiple minor gods. So, of the 5 main religions of the world, 4 of them say there is 1 God.
@@T1999-c6u in the early days of the automobile there were dozens of different designs. Everything from the tires to the engines were different. Does that mean they weren’t all working on cars? Of course not. They all had the same goal, they just went about getting there differently. As I’ve pointed out of the 5 major religions in the world 4 of them agree that there is a single God. How they choose to worship may be different but it doesn’t necessarily mean they aren’t working towards the same goal. And yes, it does matter that these are the major religions. For one, I can hardly speak to the thousands of different individual believe systems people and small groups might have. But more importantly, the fact that these 5 have risen to such heights is a clear indication that they have significant importance, not just to the people who believe in them but I think to what they offer humans in the way of answers. Your flippant dismissal of them as equally trivial and arbitrary delusion ignores crucial factors in the human condition.
@@T1999-c6u woosh
Also your increasing vitriolic replies are unnecessary and cause enough for me to end this conversation.
@@Doc-Holliday1851 3 religions out of thousands good job
@@biggzzify I’ve addressed this exact counter argument.
Honestly, if you tell me that Game of Thrones actually happened I'd believe it more than most religions.
yeah because GOT is actually inspired by real events in history
maybe only dragons is the only over the top part that screams it's not real
when i first heard about GOT, i actually thought that it was some historical tv show like the tudors or vikings
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@@FruityHachi what about the zombies and the witches? Are they real also? How about the people that change their faces and the supernatural ability's?
@@adrianblanco6970 what about that? witches used to be burned at the stake, i’m not saying they exist just that in the history people were targeted for doing witchcraft just because they assigned power to herbs, crystals and not to jesus christ
and many people claimed to have supernatural abilities, the science doesn’t have the answers for everything to prove or disprove it
but I don’t know of anyone who claims they’ve seen a dragon, we also don’t have evidence for it either like with dinosaur fossils
@@FruityHachi witches power are not deprived from the power of the herbs, they are sacrifices you are offering to Satan, who can make things happen, but at what costs. All of these are detestable to God. Just as the government have laws and punishes the criminals, God punishes criminals. In Gods eyes, we are all sinners and therefore must be judged for our sins. But your debt has been paid by Jesus Christ, the son of God who came to died for all of our sins already so that you, through him, can be saved. repent from your sins, be covered under his blood, which is the new covenant and ask Him to open your eyes to the truth and a new heart to know Him. Religion is wicked, these church buildings are wicked no doubt. People who claim to be of God and believe in Jesus yet their “fruits”, their actions and words are proven otherwise. People live their lives running a rat race form the start of birth until we die. We live for success, money, pleasure, building careers business, more more more, where does it end? Don’t be deceived by the system, don’t follow man or even religion, follow truth. Seek God while He can be found because at the rate of this society and World, it will only get worse. Ask God to show you the truth, to open your ears to hear, eyes to see, heart to love. Don’t set your eyes on the things here for dust you came, dust you will return, but your spirit will move on and it’s up to you and your free will to choose this day whom you will serve. Just ask Him, seek Him with all your heart souls and mind, and he will show you truth, ask for His will to be done, no more no less.
The first ten words in the bible should've been, once upon a time in a land far far away
Eric Bain Bro the Bible is truth
@FlufflelosMagicus Okay. so are your science books you probably have stashed up on your room.
Ben H no but the thing is science books have evidence.
insomnia your absolutely right science books do have evidence all the way up until these books start talking about the big bang and evolution.
Ben H Those science books are based on FACTS and can’t be debunked but nearly every story in the bible has been debunked.
"what if you're wrong about the Great JuJu at the bottom of the sea?" - Richard Dawkins
Strawman argument. Logical fallacy.
PedestrianRage Alright then, let's rephrase it. What if Christians are right about Jesus Christ?
Thor9669 Oh I'm very serious.
Virgin births...talking snakes and donkeys..burning bushes...900 year old humans...slavery...genocide...torture...cant go 10 pages without reading about how jealous God is...The bible offers us nothing scientific or useful in regards to quality of life... God has the power and knowledge to ceeate eveything we see and the bible is the best he can come up with? Wtf!
PedestrianRage yeah because you don't have an answer for the question so you dismiss it like it's silly LOL
Religion is essentially a massive game of Chinese whispers played on a global scale, and mostly developed in roughly the following way:
1. Our early ancestors would have mourned the passing of relatives.
2. Those who had the biggest impact on the lives of others would be remembered more.
3. In time, those who are remembered the most for their deeds, wisdom, courage and so on become revered by new generations through oral tradition.
4. Traditions such as burying the dead with their possessions, marking graves and creating shrines emerge.
5. Honouring the memory of the dead is an important part of life, helps people mourn but also invokes the feeling that their 'spirit' lives on, through their children and family by following their example.
6. Generations later and with communities and civilisations growing, where stories of various families and people get mixed together; revering the dead slowly turns into worship
7. The idea that the dead they worship are not completely gone from the world gives comfort, purpose and meaning. It is also a powerful tool for the ruling elite.
8. In time pagan religions surface, multiple families of gods that mirror the deeds, wisdom, courage and other attributes that man is capable of. As well as the bad.
9. Life revolves around farming and the seasons and thus, gods of rain, fertility, harvests and so on emerge.
10. Increasing populations lead to conflicts and war; gods of war, gods of peace, gods of reason and so on emerge.
11. People pray to different gods depending on what they need the most; in times of war - pray to the god of war for victory; times of peace - pray to the gods of good harvest; want children - pray to the goddess of fertility.
12. In the middle east, one of the pantheon of gods -Yahweh the warrior god sees an increase in followers and worshippers during hard times.
13. When the peoples fortunes increase, a devout following emerges for Yahweh. They consider him to be the only god who 'answered' them. They believe he is the only god who should be followed.
14. In time, the argument is inevitably put forward by his devout followers that he is in fact the only god.
15. Politically, any ruling elite that aligns themselves with the leading religion become stronger. (Later in history, rulers will be seen as an extension of god and this allows them to rule with absolute control; questionable decisions can be made without public consequence and young men can be sent to war on the basis of religion)
15. Some men are more devout than others, many attempt to convince and convert the believers of other gods. One man in particular gains traction and a reputation for his speeches, it causes unrest and for political reasons as much as anything else, the Romans have him crucified.
16. The followers who's ancestors started worshipping one god out of many during a time of oppression and need, and who themselves had found comfort in following Jesus during a time of oppression and need, use him as a martyr to further the cause.
17. The sense of injustice, both in the occupation of the lands by romans and the death of Jesus helps the new Christian faith to grow through the region.
18. Eventually the ruling roman elite, just as they had used the pagan gods to claim divinity in rule by being descendants of Mars and Jupiter and other gods, would claim divinity through the christian god in their rule. Mirroring earlier ancestors who revered their dead and seek to follow their examples.
19. A large empire, common languages, trade routes and opportunities for migration proves the perfect incubator for the first major religion to emerge. Right time, right place.
20. In the same way Christianity broke out of Judaism, Islam emerges in non other than the middle east region where the belief in one god already exists. Judaism had itself emerged from earlier versions of religious following, which like all religion had come to popularity with what the people needed at that particular moment.
21. The fall of the western roman empire, the so called 'dark ages' would give people in need something to hold on to, and give the would be new rulers an opportunity to strengthen their positions.
22. Western European nations have a massive influence on spreading christianity west across the atlantic for the same reason as the roman empire brought it to western Europe.
23. Islam spreads East in the opposite direction for the same reasons, empires, trade routes, common language, migration.
The main religions of today are just a continuing evolution of ancient belief systems, with each building on the last, shaped by geography, common language and political manipulation by the ruling elites; even when the manipulation is not intentional, it's so ingrained in certain cultures that it can't help but hold influence. How many times do you hear American leaders mention god in all manner of subjects - particularly during the wars of the last decade in the middle east. Holy war? No. Political tool to send people to war, gain control over oil rich resources? Yes. It's no coincidence that the major religions emerged in the centre of the most important trading routes of the 'Old World'.
Quite a cogent theory you have here. I myself have surmised a few of these, but you sir have quite the skill for critical analysis. This is incredibly well thought out and all of your statements are probably historically accurate, at least as far as I can tell (as something of an armchair anthropologist myself). This presents a very convincing argument for the true nature of the major Abrahamic religions and the rise of monotheism as the predominant theology of the religious world. Well done.
You forgot the main point. JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD AND HE IS LORD OF ALL. Nice try, but you are off the wall.
that is quite lenghty. to me, this just a very in-depth explination of what i find to be quite obvious (maybe thats just me). but in my opinion, you are over-complicating the "origin" of religion. supersticious beliefs already existed in the stone age.. judging by cave paintings of "spirits/beings" that were clearly portrayed as supernatural.
in the animal kingdom, curiosity, creativity and imagination are two fundemental emotion/abilities possessed by the intelectual brain. these two abilities are highly advanced in the human brain.. it has been crucial for our development and science. but it has also created superstision.
religion/folklore socially evolved in our culture to explain what we didnt understand, aswell as giving humans some sense of greater purpose. i dont belive there is a complex "formula" for the creation of religion. i think it just comes naturally to us, just like thoughts and imagination comes naturally to us.
Merlith Gero Haha yeah if I remember right I couldn't sleep!
Erm that's basically what I was saying though. It has developed organically over vast periods of time, not a formula as you point out but a natural development, religion is very reflective of how our societies are in terms of hierachy, or structure and older religions are reflective of the societies that existed at the time.
I don't think it's a coincidence that pagan religions of a spiritual disposition towards gods/spirits of wind, rain, sun, etc, developed first when the human population was sparse and vast landscapes and animals were untouched by us, but as we've grown and formed civilisations religions, pantheons of gods emerge with social structures not unlike the ruling classes.
Definitely interesting looking at religion from a far with a clear mind though isn't it?
"Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool."
Another person quoting Twain and not giving him credit. Cite your source!
Facts, Logic & Reason sadly on TH-cam video commentary is invariably full of people quoting others and passing it off as unique ideas. I see it too consistently to be coincidence. Particularly amongst atheists. That’s why I ask if one is going to quote someone they should give due credit.
@@fezzik7619 Hoaxer Christian writers, scholars, & historian have fabricated the resurrection hoax by making up a fake empty tomb story & fake eyewitnesses/testimonials. They didn’t realize that sin-sacrifice-resurrection implies a superstitious God who values blood-sacrifice, which was a common practice back then - e.g. sacrificing a goat for a new home. It’s obvious that the superstitious early folks who valued blood sacrifice created the God of the Bible in their own image.
Athiesm does NOT propose any arguments, it evaluates arguments and
deems them invalid
Hush Whisper ah hello still trying to proves the inprovable, still can’t give me evidence that I can’t shut down
“To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin” Cardinal Bellarmine 1633
John McKay Well - I would say an OUTSMARTED cardinal.
John McKay Yes, we can already see major declines - except for the fundamentalists and cults, at least the Christian religion is slowly fading. I am a Boomer and we were indoctrinated with religious mythology; we were ambivalent about passing it on to our children, who have not bothered much with passing it on to our grandchildren. The majority of our grandchildren are only exposed to "religion" in the form of Christmas and Easter - period. And even then, the only myths they are aware of are Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Today, at least here in Canada, the majority of heads bowed in the church pews are white. Even though I'm close to 70, I feel I'll live to see the day when non believers will outnumber believers. One can only hope.
A completely true statement, as the Earth did not begin to revolve around the sun until 1634...
Waltham1892 LOL!!
this comment deserves more likes
Is being atheist a choice? I didn't choose so. I was uncapable of believing in gods and etc, it made no sense to me. I didn't choose to do so. Can anyone speak on that?
John McKay But you know what, I think they do believe in that. They want to sin some times, everyone wants. So some of them, and a few of them, might think "huh, he took the easy way, stop believing so he can sin". Of course that makes no sense, because i would be pretending I don't believe, right? haha What I think is a preblem is that we are not talking so much about the fact that being atheist is a not a choice.
John McKay what a fine answer. And i do believe it is true. Having a religion is not a choice. That's why it would be so imoral to send, say, hindus to burn in hell just because they are hindus. That's the meaniest thing you coild possibly think: tprturing for eternity a innocent. That's the definition of being mean, the worst possible case, right? So I think we are, indeee, failing to provide these people with very good arguments. And I think the big problem is atheists mocking religious people. That's, I think, why they close any way to let an rational argument get into their minds: it's our fault
Pedro Martins Well you're dead on about atheists mocking people. But of course atheism is a choice. Did someone put a gun to your head?
If someone is of a particular faith, that is their choice as well. Now can you honestly say you have read any religion all the way and have honestly applied any of the principles all the way?
I find that unlikely
Nightverslonn I understand your position, but allow me not to agree. Did you choose not to believe in Santa? Did you choose not to believe in unicorns?
Pedro Martins If athiesm is a choice then believing in god is a choice too. and yet I cannot believe in a god even if I tried. I just can't! I tried to do it for the sake of experiment but I cannot wrap my head around it...
The funniest thing to me is when some weird natural event happens and Christians start saying it was predicted in revelations. Like uh no it wasn’t lol
Everytime someone says that i ask them to point me to the verse in the bible that predicted that. They dont know, they simply believe the bible predicts everything.
You mean like they're doing now? Blaming "climate change"? lol
My mother in law is a Jehovah’s Witness. This whole Covid pandemic is a massive wet dream for these people.
“We are in the ‘End Times’ and it has been foretold...”
Then again they also think they’re the oldest practiced religion on earth, not a 150 year old runaway sect of Adventist movement 🤣🤣🤦♂️
@@HeliRy Exactly like "climate change" activists latching on to fires and hurricanes.
@@stuffthings1417
What do you mean “latching on”? Fires and hurricanes are worse. The temperature of the oceans are rising. The ice sheets are melting. We are experiences the hottest days on record in nearly every country. But sure, there’s no evidence of climate change. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
People believing in God will become a thing of the past when we're long gone. I can also predict science will find an answer to the question "where do we go when we die" in the future as well. People are going to look back and wonder how we humans could be so ignorant, how we could live not knowing where we're going when we die. It's like how we wonder how people lived back in the Caveman days, it was just the norm. That's why I wish I could be born 1000 years from now.
andyl locomotive yes when one day we will go away and all of us Christians will disappear and that day is going to be the most scariest day you will have because you will see Jesus yourself and then you'll believe
We all are eternal souls that has a temporal body, our house. we are here in this real of time specifically to chose where shall we spend eternity. there are two choices. eternity with evil, or eternity with Yehoshua/Jesus. whatever you choose will determine , what type of house you will spend eternity in
. choice number one, a house of goodness and peace and beauty and Love and joy unspeakable.
. choice number two a house of torment , pain and suffering, and regret and anguish and sorrow, and burning.
WHERE SHALL YOU SPEND ETERNITY?
Now lets say for instance that perhaps I am wrong, well I have nothing to loose, I'll just go quietly into the night.
but if you're wrong you will have ETERNITY to pay for your wrong choice!
please remember ITS YOUR CHOICE, YOU GET TO CHOOSE! Nobody will force you to do anything against your will, your choice!
Wow, bunch of looney bins replying to you LOL
We need leadership. When 2 possible leaders present and bone is clearly more powerful than the other we want them. You can kill a king, but not a God.
...but what if there is no god? youre assuming that he exists even though there is no demonstrable proof whatsoever of that opinion.
I get the feeling Neil D Tyson would rather be talking about the Universe than GOD.
But they keep bringing him in to talk about stupid fairytale subjects.
@@yvesmartin4788 its not a fairy tale, Neil says we are nothing but space dust, that makes no sense at all. Cause an exploding star doesn't create life nor it intelligent and tons of other questions that contradict his claim. God created all things, Neil just start from Genesis and continue reading the bible.
@@jaredmccain7518 You are oblivious to common sense and basic scientific knowledge. You are definitely a bible reader and only a bible reader only.
@@yvesmartin4788 Saying and believing that nothing created everything instead of giving credit to our LORD God and acknowledging Him is lack of common sense.
@@jaredmccain7518 If someone say they saw someone walking on water or someone flying in a winged horse(Muhammad Had a winged horse) would you believe that person or would you want observation proof of his words? This is the basic basis of believing in all the claims of miracles and deeds of the Christianity and Islam's koran. They provide no proof in their assertions.
The big bang theory is tested, counter-tested, and is submitted to peer review by astrophysicist, cosmologist, physicist and astrologist. When was your bible ever gone that much scrutiny? The Law of Evolution and if we came from apes was is under an insurmountable of peer review and scrutiny. Your bible and your fairytale claims are just regurgitate words. This is why the evolution theory is the same as the Germ theory, Gravity, Combustion theory, genome theory and other scientific laws; It's irrefutable. We are not just descendants of the great apes of Africa, we are still Apes! We are distant cousin and biologically, genetically, and behaviorally this truth is self evident.
There are million of books to uphold my views and reject yours with empiracal evidence; from Chemistry, Geology, Paleontology, Anthropology, egyptology, biology, Marine biology, Zoology, Genealogy, Carbon Dating, Botany, and the other science I noted above. Unfortunately for you, you want me to believe in your "one" only book, and only your words. This is why your basis and premise can not possibly be right-- for it to be right, you have to counter all those books and all those proven facts. Religious propaganda had the luxury of thousand of years of spreading it's false claims. When people back then spoke up with other views, we were hung, burned, and put in prison for heresy. The internet is where religion has come to either die or answer its inaccuracies with evidence and proof. Spare me your creationist mumbo jumbo.
The existence of God is just an idea, a belief. There is no scientific evidence of God's existence.
Pauline Follett dont need science..just scripture alone to prove it.
But few are skilled in proving jesus is god.
I did it openly and publicly..the debates over.
My post begins
"Im not here to subscribe..the debate is over"
Now the talkers are proven.. screwed.
+Tim H There exists hundreds of independent eyewitness sightings of potential Bigfeet,
and a few dozen photographs & films of Bigfeet. And Bigfeet are consistent with the proved fact of biological evolution. So I, a proud Atheist-Antinatalist-Vegan-American, do take Bigfoot seriously.
Just because there is no scientific evidence of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist completely open your mind
lol you dumbie. there's proof God exists, buy a damn telescope
21st century science predicts our multiverse is too expansive, ancient, and replete with life forms to not harbor gods.
th-cam.com/video/SHy8BgYRxPg/w-d-xo.html
For anyone interested, here's a Christian philosophers response: th-cam.com/video/UtCnRanSBUg/w-d-xo.html
Hmm, looks interesting, thank you for sharing.
will give it a look
Thanks! Definitely worth a watch!
New atheism rhetoric. Sophisticated atheist philosophers won’t even take a look at these arguments out of respect for human intellect, as NDT would put it.
This video is worth the watch! Unfortunately, it also demonstrates how sophistry and rhetoric are more appealing to some than seeking the truth.
No man could commit a crime that deserves eternal punishment.
Not true. A McDonald’s employee refused me breakfast when I could physically see the McMuffin as it was 10:31am
lol your humor is godly
Imagine how much more we could know if people didn't still believe these 'holy books' and would work on learning something constructive and could be proved with tangible or logical evidence.
Atheism is a religion of chance and dirt worshiping morons that masquerade as rebels in a science lab-coat, would rather appeal to government/state authority that's responsible for over 250+ million deaths in the 20th century (derived through atheistic rationale and implemented by power hungry atheists). any of the thousands of gods including the flying spaghetti monster is better than the chance of the gaps religion. their atheist predisposition is not based on reason or rationality or science, it's an emotional reaction likely due to a traumatic childhood upbring (drunken father etc...), which doesn't constitute an argument. the pope of atheism, Sam Harris is continually giving atheists purpose to spread the word of nihilism and chance and dirt worshiping, as though it's a virtue. atheism, the dumbest and most dangerous unofficial religion known in existence, if only the dictionary could do its justice.,.,.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.,.,,,,,
+Adam Parsons Well said!
Not everyone had a traumatic childhood growing up reality doesn't magically cease to exist just facts offend you get over it your bible stories are BS
A P . Well done you! But remember to start every new sentence with a capital (big) letter. Now please return to the ward for your medication. Love, Matron xx
@@AP-bo1if What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this comment section is now dumber for having read it.
I am a former christian, now atheist. I was always faithful to my
religion and did my best to stay on the path "my God" had chosen for me.
I always read the bible and that was actually one of the biggest
reasons for my change.
The first thing that convinced me to become atheist was the actual
concept of any god existing. The idea of an invisible, all-powerful
celestial being that knew everything and was the creator of life and
earth makes no sense to me. Next, was the fact that there is no physical
evidence of Jesus ever being here on earth, aside from the bible (which
over time has had different translations and events that differ very
slightly from each version).
Then I read the bible more intently as i just thought my faith was being
tested my "God" and i realized the amount of absurdities and
contradictions the bible makes.
For example: Matt. 9:18 "My daughter had just died; but come and lay your hand on her and she shall live" Matt. 9:24-26
"Jesus responded by saying: "'Go away! The girl is not dead she is
asleep' and they laughed at him.... he went into the room and took the
girl by the hand and she got up."
Now the question must be asked, was the maiden dead or just "asleep" as
Jesus claimed? If she was dead, Jesus had lied by saying she was asleep.
If she was asleep, Jesus did no miracle but deceived people into
thinking he did.
Ex. 33:23 (KJV) "....thou shalt see my back parts:but my face shall not be seen."
Gen. 32:30 "....I have seen God face to face..."
John 5:22 "The Father does not judge anyone, but he has given full jurisdiction to the Son"
John 8:15 "I pass judgement on no one"
Ex. 33:20 "My face, you cannot see for no mortal may see me and live"
Gen. 32:30 "Jacob said.... I have seen God face to face and yet my life is spared."
Jesus encouraged murder. (Luke 19:27) "....as for those enemies of mine who did not want me for their king, bring them here and slaughter them in my presence."
Jesus made himself unavailable to us (John 7:34)
"You will look for me but you will not find me and where I am, you
cannot come."
God unambiguously states he is responsible for evil on Earth (Isa 45:7)
"I make peace and create evil..."
Then there were the false prophesies such as...
God told adam that should he eat the apple, he will die that day, but
according to Gen 5:5 He had died at age 930.
Jesus says "I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the
father except by me."
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Elijah all accomplished the journey without
Jesus. In fact Elijah made his way into heaven without having heard of
Jesus
Then there were the times God had "proven his loving existence" but killing innocent people who simply did not believe or were given insufficient evidence
Science has actual decades worth of evidence backing up evolution and the big bang theory ( the science theory not the good tv show)
I have many more but please feel free to stand up for your religion.
I'll be waiting....
Guan Marshawn
something to note in my case is i'm still a minor so i live with my parents and my mom is religious, not as in the "god above everything else" religious but she is an active member on our national church counsel, my dad on the other hand grew up with a Muslim mother so he has is not as interested in Christianity or religion as a whole. Now i still go to church as i haven't come out as atheist to my family yet because i am on reddit a lot and have heard stories of people being disowned and worse happenings by their families after coming out. my family aren't so religious they would turn their back on me for my choice in religion but even with my open relationship with my family i am still afraid of what would happen. in school and my social life, however i am very open about my beliefs (or lack thereof) I told them after i asked why do they believe.
+Calumn Scholtz have you told people yet? I'm 16 and I can tell you what happened to me. I was in a similar situation where on the contrary my dad was religious and my mom not so much. regardless, when I decided to tell them. I could see a certain level of disappointment, but he reassured me it's okay and that he'll always be there to support me whether I'm atheist or not. which was pretty surprising and I have a great level of respect for my dad for being that way. However, what I noticed the most for me was the social change at school. I told all my friends (when it became relevant) about me being atheist. I indeed did lose some friends. they wouldn't flat out tell me it was because of me being atheist. but they were all Christian and stopped being my friend do suspiciously close to when I told them I was atheist. after around a month or so just about everyone who knew who I was knew I was atheist. and although I wouldn't go so far as to say I was bullied or ridiculed, I could see a shift in the way people started looking at me, and first impressions from the people I met seemed to be hindered with preemptive judgement due to my atheism. but it also gave me a sense of enlightenment, I'm proud to be an atheist. Overall, I don't regret my decision to reveal my atheism at all. All of my really close friends remained close friends afterwards. I did this about a year ago and I can say that after a year people have full well come to terms with what I belive in ( I really should say lack of what I believe in aha). You might lose a friend or two, but any good friend should remain your friend after you reveal it to them. Otherwise they prolly weren't that good of friends in the first place.
Were you ever told about endtime prophecy? Were you ever told about the reason for modern Isreal? Were you ever told about the "Millenium" & JC coming back to rule this world for that 1000 years of peace? Many churches do not teach these things-FYI !!!!!
Logan Lusk
I have not told my parents yet, but i do plan on doing so soon or the guilt will just eat at me. I have come out as an atheist at school
and no one judged me or abandoned me as a friend, my best friend did try and persuade me into going into christianity again but he dropped it after 10 minutes. I still have religious conversations with some friends and i really love those it but i was really surprised by how accepting they were of someone basically saying their god does not exist because of his/her personal ideas if it means anything i am currently 14.
+Calumn Scholtz
I am 15 and have come out as an atheist to my Christian mother and father about a year ago. Typically, your friends who are the same age as you will be more accepting towards differences (religion, sexuality, etc.) than adults. My parents have pretty much spent every day trying to convince me into believing hypocritical nonsense. They claim I am the one who is not "open-minded" and "educated." They believe I am morally weak due to my disagreement with them as to how the world was created. Chances are, no matter how good of people they are, your parents will not believe the logic you present them and will likely think less of you due to your beliefs. However, I do not think it would be a good idea to spend your life in the closet by not telling your parents what you do and do not believe in. My advice is: talk to them in a serene environment while they are in a good mood and present logical and moral arguments to support your claim. Good luck.
The greatest lie ever told. An imaginary friend for adults.
You get it. Lol. Jk
What's a lie???
@@smotnick that an invisible being created you. And you should worship that being without question. Or suffer for eternity.
Load of garbage
@@SurroundedByIdgets Where did you get tht from???
@@SurroundedByIdgets well so rude. Respect other people and their beliefs. Forgive them for the wrong thing they do and correct them if they are evil.
It’s crazy that the only evidence they have is a book. ONE book
I love it when the Bible is quoted as fact during a discussion. it simply doesn't count.
Jose Jaimes the book isn’t even evidence. they literally have 0 evidence
ONE book. Yet there is ZERO evidence there is no God. Crazy man, crazy.
Art3615 You can’t prove unicorns don’t exist either. So therefore you are literally putting your ‘god’ in the same category as unicorns, Santa and the tooth fairy, which you don’t believe in. Hypocrisy am I right? Also let’s not forget the book has no real evidence in it either, only claims. Therefore putting you spastics at ZERO evidence as well, while their is evidence to debunk the bible therefore proving your god unreal. Crazy man, crazy
My dear friend. Since you don't insult I will call you my friend.
Hitchens believes in God. The interview starts and HE says " you either
believe in the laws of Nature." The proof of God is everywhere, atheist
just don't realize that it is God responsible for our beautiful planet. They
(Atheist) say it is Nature. God is responsible for nature. Now wait. What
is nature. Until Hitchens can prove there is a nature, what on God's beautiful planet is he talking about.
Scientist can not prove that he, she, it exist(Nature). Why does Hitchens believe in Nature when he can not prove it exists? Is there a book he can use to back him up? Can science or anyone or atheist prove there is a living
being or dying being or existence of nature? AND prove there isn't an intelligent being responsible? The answer is simple. There is a supreme being responsible for everything or there is nothing responsible for everything.
Basically;
"Give me scientific (physical) evidence for an abstract (non-physical) concept."
"The human comprehension is limitless."
"I'm philosophically inept."
It's true what they say. Only two types of people view God as some "magical man in the sky," children and ahteists.
+Pieter Lindeque That means theists are childish and Atheists realize the truth of the matter. Until you can prove a god actually exists in reality then the only ones believing in the existence of unproven gods are the childish theists... go figure!
+Pieter Lindeque Looks like he got you bro
And again, asking for physical proof of a non-physical entity. Mixing science and metaphysics and expecting an answer. Oh goodness.
It's shocking how the irony flies right over people's heads. People who are supposed to be "intellectuals" at that.
+Pieter Lindeque there are two problems with your remark:
1) You assume god is entirely metaphysics. But that's not true. God, according to all major religions, is said to be able to intervene into the natural world. Answering prayers, for example. If such claim is true, then we should be able to detect this intervention with science because science is the study of the natural world, so whatever that goes on in the natural world (even when from god) we should be able to study it.
Well guess what - science has indeed studied it. Prayers, for example. Science shows that prayers do not work. At best, all prayers are is merely a form of placebo effect, nothing more.
So if religions are wrong about prayers, then what else are they wrong about?
2) Lets assume we're not talking about religions but just talking about god. So purely metaphysical. ok - perhaps science is the wrong tool to study. BUT WHAT IS? Science is our ONLY reliable tool for knowledge. If science cannot study X, then NOTHING ELSE CAN.
And since BURDEN OF PROOF rests on the theists to prove their claims, if they can't do so with reliable evidence (whatever it may be, not necessarily science), then why should we believe them?
You need to study your ancient tests better, you are making assumptions about religion that are not necessarily true.
Science let's us fly into space.....religion let's us fly into buildings!
HALON747 Science drops giant atomic bombs on civilians ...which one killed more ...hmmm and still causes cancer decades later.....history wins this one.
Bulls Eye Yes.... To put an end to WW2!
*sigh* we did not go to the moon. 9 11 was a hoax. You won't believe me because you are stuck on the surface. Label me as a conspiracy nut, that's what they want for people that know the truth. Think about it. Do you really think the government is here to help us? Or control us?
HALON747 school lets you spell correctly
You wake up in Kim Jong Un's body. You can speak and understand Korean. Without getting assassinated by your commanders, how do you transition North Korea and its people from an Orwellian state of despair to a prosperous nation so you can then ride your fame to launch your career in music?
"What if your wrong?"
"there are 5000 know religions in the world, you are wrong in 4999 of them"
clive clivetablet Religions are man made. Drew
Clive you atheist know nothing about groups like the occult, satanism.luciferians & they are now 10% of the population & in 1980 were less than 2% they hate Christians but also laugh at & mock atheists!!!!!!
@@RonSafreed those groups are part of the 5000 religions
@@clive3490 John Harrison(1693-1776)was the inventor of the marine chronometer, used by ships to measure longitude. He was also a Christian & a mucisian & choirmaster in a local church. So Christians have ben part of science & invention in history!!!!!
@@RonSafreed Well THAT was random!
I've never heard anyone make a valid argument against an atheist
This is implying that argument actually exists.
Joe Swanson Nice story. So where's the proof?
I’m atheist but a good argument goes:
Let’s assume the big bang occured, thing “A” must have caused the big bang, thing “B” must cause thing “A”, etc etc because we can’t get something from nothing. we get an infinite regression of causal events, and we cant justify there being a “first” event.
Therefore.. the thing that kickstarted this deterministic pattern must be beyond the loop of space and time. that thing could be god (or not)
theres good counter arguments to this too but I thought it was interesting.
Anonymous G That’s not a counter argument in the first place. You (as in the person making the argument) are still assuming that this god exists regardless. On top of that, if you can’t exactly “Prove” the big bang occurred at that time, how exactly can you say a god would exist even before that time? How would they even tell? It’s flawed.
dno oup nor did "mike" until i came along. Hes naked in his closet now, refusing to come out to the public light. Others are in my sight, for an answer for the omniscience componant of scripture. Their wisdom collapses using six scripture texts, They are exposed corrupt in unrighteousness, and unable to explain.
Reason, evidence, proof...they all said they wanted it...right? There is one conclusion.
Six verses=your proof.
God is a fictional character, created by mankind, rammed down throats by wealthy religious organisations and accepted as reality by the small minded masses.
Atheism has never slaughtered people for blasphemy, or murdered people for denouncing their faith. There is no evidence of any God, and if you have any, i would like to see it. please don't refer to the bible or any religious text as evidence either as they were all written by man.
djcheckmate1
One of the BEST comments i have seen in my life.
djcheckmate1 Communism is a secular belief system and has caused the most deaths of human beings in history, by far.
Michael J the deaths of approx 3 out of every 4 conceptions before they reach the 2 month mark is by far the most deaths in history many times over and if you believe in a god that knits people together in the womb then you have your biggest killer
+djcheckmate1 Exactly
For anyone claiming that God is a metaphysical entity beyond logic, reason, human perception, proof, evidence, science, and so on: I'd like to learn how you know this. If your God is beyond all of these things, then by your very own definition you cannot possess any knowledge of this God. So, how do you know any of the things you are claiming regarding this hypothetical entity?
+Axel Mellgren If u want to know more about this subject, it's called Pantheism. It's more of a philosophy, it's not a religion. Pantheism is more related to atheism than it is to Christianity or Judaism. It's not as ridiculous as you might think.
Linda Deckers I'm aware of Pantheism, but I question anyone's ability to possess knowledge of or perceive an entity that is beyond human knowledge and perception. I saw some fairly strange claims regarding such a metaphysical entity in the comments for this video, and I remain skeptical. Claiming to have knowledge that you cannot possibly possess is dishonest, regardless of what you call your philosophy.
+Axel Mellgren
I agree with you.
Although i think a reasonable amount of pantheists are aware that this "metaphysical entity" may not exist. Pantheism however offers more than just believing in this "god".
Atheism (generally speaking) is lacking "spirituality", . Pantheism provides this "spirituality" and at the same time Pantheism, like Atheism, embraces science/common logic( in contrary to christianity, islam).
Don't believe what all these people say about pantheism or this "metaphysical being". They don't know what they are talking about. I don't consider this supernatural part about pantheism to be that important.
Hope you get what i'm saying, my english isn't as good as yours XD
+Axel Mellgren Interesting, isn't it? They deliberately create false parameters for the sole reason of avoiding experimentation, because they know it puts their faith in danger. Just look at the top comment on this comment section.
it's possible there are things beyond our understand of logic, of matter, of reality.
perfectly real things.
however...we, by definition, have no way to prove them to exist or not.
so having "faith" does no good. faith is a cop out. a self deception, and nothing more.
if one has even a shred of real evidence...they have confidence, not faith.
This is literally what I want every human to listen....
I am so happy!!
It feels a little good that I am not alone....
It's nice to see that there are people who THINK....
There are lots of us!
You know, when you lie in your death bed and before you die, you'll pray. I hope as strongly as you deny God, he denies you. Atheism does not equal smart. Religion does not equal delusion. Einstein was religious. Stephan Hawking believed in a higher power. Nearly all credible philosophers believed in a God. It's just you and your puny group of atheists that think you're smart because your argument is snarky. You probably believe in a flat earth too.
@@mind_money_morphology
I believe in flat earth?? Lol.... NO!!
I am a person who believes in physics.
I don't know much about Einstein, but as far as Stephen Hawking is concerned, I have read his books and he clearly says that he doesn't believe in god....
I am NOT gonna pray before I die....
I respect your belief and I expect that you respect mine as well....
End of the story!!
@@snehshah4973 Physics can't get you coded information processing systems and the genetic code involves a coded information processing system.
My own proof: Proving God is 100% indeniably REAL
Just think, isn't it convenient that the earth is the only planet that is perfectly filled, and placed with elements such as oxygen, hydrogen, water, and carbon for sustaining life and, has humans living? The earth is designed SPECIALLY and DIFFERENTLY from the rest of the planets because it is the only planet for humans and living beings to live in. Do you notice the themes here? It is that, it matches and aligns EXACTLY with the Bible's Book of Genesis. God made the earth, and that humans and living beings are ONLY in the earth , as God made and intended. There's no other humans in other planets, aside from the earth. Before telescopes, space, and spacecrafts were even discovered, the Bible was already made. Also, they have a HUGE time gap. The Bible was made between 1200 and 165 BC. The first telescope that was made was in 1608 AD. We discovered space and spacecraft in the 20th century.
So how come people were able to make the Bible and say those facts during those times when they had no technology to know them? And if they get something wrong, everything will just be proven wrong?
So, it just cannot be that humans during those time "made God and the Bible," just from their imagination and knowledge because there's no way for them to know, the FACT about the earth being the only planet with humans and sustaining life, with no technology at their time, and that was what was written in the Bible. They must have had a connection and message from a higher power, to know those facts that they wrote in the Bible. And that is what they said, that they got inspired by the Holy Spirit to make the Bible and it just matches all the time. a Haha! So do not deny, just laugh, rejoice, and be glad that somebody made you realize that God is 100% real. ACCEPT and proclaim God into your lives. This is my discovery that I personally made, based on facts, cannot be denied but only accepted.
George Carlin was a LEGEND!
A rational thinker way ahead of his time...
The Word the verry definition of a legend in this context for a person is and i quote ” an extremely famous or notorious person, especially in a particular field. ” Which he indeed was. He diddent care about people that diddent like him, he understod that life is to short to waste your time on them. Since i am arguing with you it would seem like i still have a lot to learn.
@The Word There is nothing i can say to change you. Because i am not ready myself to have my mind changed. But i see right through you, you have doubt in your belief. You fear that the rituals and traditions that you have done all your life was a waste of time. Since you haven't found that connection with God as you wished. Now full of betrayal, hatred, anger and jealousy torwards God and the people who diddent follow the "rules". You want these people to pay, you want them to get what they deserve, and in doubt if hell acually exists you make life like hell for them. Because you yourself made great sacrifices to live that religious life. Because if you truely belived all of it you wouldent have a motive to be expressing these kind of emotions. God would take care of us anyway, so why bother doing it yourself? Why do you have the urge to tell someone that they are going to hell? The anser is: because someone did that to you. You want people to understand you. I get that, i want that to, we all do. We are all equalls, so treat people like you want to be treated. I am sure you know about the golden rule. I dont blame you for anything. If i where you i would have done everything just like you did, choice is an ilusion. Everything doesent have to make sence, everything doesent have to have a purpose to exist.
"To be a sientict is to be naive. We are so focused on the truth we fail to consider how few actually wants us to find it. But it is always there, whether we see it or not, whether we choose to or not. The truth doesent care about our needs or wants. It doesent care about our governments, our ideologies, our religiouns. It will lie and wait for all time. And this at last is the gift of Chernobyl. Where I once would fear the cost of truth, now i only ask:
What is the cost of lies?"
- Valery Legasov
@The Word Thaks for you offer about having a further discusion. But i cant talk with you about this. You are delusional to a point that you dont even see it yourself. Please go to a therapist.
@The Word You are delusional about the scientific connection between your consciousness and reality. Constrained by supernatural myths.
I enjoy this. I myself am a Christian. and I really enjoy seeing different points of views. it really gets me to think on what I believe.
90% of these were strawman or appeal to ridicule fallacies. the others simply don't understand theology, an thus use strawman unintentionally. but none of them were legitimate.
I like it too. In a way though, I feel bad for atheists because for them, there is NOTHING after death. No heaven, no purgatory, no hell, nothing. It must be so depressing for them to think that when they die that's it, the shows over.
+Prince Studios Atheist here. Quite frankly, I find the idea of heaven, purgatory, hell, whatever life after death to be depressing and unfavorable. The idea of nonexistence is actually MORE appealing to me than any of those afterlives. You see, for any afterlife (in this case, a heaven) out there, or even just life after death, they typically promise eternity. A never ending life after death. At first, this seems appealing. You do not have to die, there is no suffering, just eternal enjoyment with what you like as well as with those you care about. However, eventually, this will grow tiresome. You will, inevitably, exhaust all possible things you could do multiple times over. There will be no new experiences, nothing new to learn. There will be no conflict, no struggle to appreciate the good. Eventually, life after death will become pointless, a bore. After all, what's the point in life if there is nothing left to learn or do? Of course, there is no way out. You are stuck that way for eternity. It's a worse ending than nonexistence, as at least with that, one's life can end on a good note, but for heaven, there is no way out, and you are doomed to be in it for eternity.
There's more arguments I could make, but I'll save those for a later time.
+Prince Studios I can see how we could see that as depressing but when you look at it from a different angle, the idea of no afterlife gives you all the more reason to strive for a great life. because if there's nothing after this you wanna make sure you lived the best life you can. now as a Christian myself, the idea of an afterlife gives the same effect. because after we die we want to look back on our lives and see how great it was am I right? so honestly regardless of believe or religion or lack of it. we're all just people who should strive to be better. and I believe God loves each and everyone of you just as you are. just continue to be better guys. 😊
Yufery l can see your point, but the reason why heaven is so great is because there is no sense of "time." Think of it like a trip to an amusement park. While you are there, you are having so much fun that time seems to fly because of it. That is what heaven is like because we would experience God himself, and that would be so amazing to see a being so perfect and good that we would forget about time completely.
unfortunately i will never live to see the day, but i hope the day comes when all religions are stories of the past and science rules what is known as fact within everyones mind. this will be the day humans can continue to evolve with peace reigning over earth.
+HateCrewReaper Amen, brother!
+HateCrewReaper But for now, hail satan lmao
+HateCrewReaper What about the hitlers', stalins', and khuns'?
+jon keene im not sure what these people have to do with what i said?
HateCrewReaper You said that the day people let go of religion is the day peace will reign over the earth. People like stalin, hitler, and genghis khun, however, were not godly people, and they didn't bring peace.
I think Christianity brings peace.
1:22 "But he loves you"🤣🤣🤣🤣
IF & only IF, you do exactly what which ever despot is claiming "he" wants.
He loves you and he NEEDS MONEY!
😂
Anyone know the name of this guy?
I personally like a quote by Neil that didn't appear in this video.
"The great thing about science is, you not believing in it doesn't make it not true."
:D
blackstrat6897 That is the best quote ever! Thanks for the comment and don't forget to subscribe!
i am the great juju at the bottom of the sea
And every time someone prays to you, you will say “yes”, “no” or “maybe later”.
Atheism is a religion of chance and dirt worshiping morons that masquerade as rebels in a science lab-coat, would rather appeal to government/state authority that's responsible for over 250+ million deaths in the 20th century (derived through atheistic rationale and implemented by power hungry atheists). any of the thousands of gods including the flying spaghetti monster is better than the chance of the gaps religion. their atheist predisposition is not based on reason or rationality or science, it's an emotional reaction likely due to a traumatic childhood upbring (drunken father etc...), which doesn't constitute an argument. the pope of atheism, Sam Harris is continually giving atheists purpose to spread the word of nihilism and chance and dirt worshiping, as though it's a virtue. atheism, the dumbest and most dangerous unofficial religion known in existence, if only the dictionary could do its justice.,.,.,.,.,.,
A P wow...you might be the dumbest person on the internet. congrats
not an argument. congrats
A P literally everything you said was wrong. all of it. i could’ve replied by saying that cape wearing purple people eaters invented jesus after drinking a bathtub of grain alcohol and it would’ve had more credibility than your ranting nonsense
The word atheist is unnecessary. Nobody calls others aghostist, ademonist, aunicornist, amermaidist, asoulist, areincarnationist etc.
I agree. But the problem is that to separate themselves from believers who are the majority of the population they need that label. Technically a new born child would be an atheist and all of the things u mentioned above. It's just a matter of convenience
+Allen Antony You mean separate themselves from other believers. Most people calling themselves atheists (rather than using agnostic) believe that there is no god and that all religions are man-made. That is just as much a belief, and just as unprovable, yet they regard it as fact. At least religious people admit their world view is based on belief.
Kristy Wells
But atheism is not a belief... it is the lack of a belief... that is a BIG DIFFERENCE... Nobody calls themselves a non astrologer or non communist... atheism is like that. It is the rejection of the claim that God exists... we are not the ones making the claim. we are the ones who are rejecting the claim made by believers due to lack of evidence...
Kristy Wells
Did u know that there are agnostic atheists and gnostic atheists and agnostic theists and gnostic theists ???
***** While that is technically true, a non-believing atheist typically calls themselves agnostic because there is an important distinction there. That is why I specified "people calling them else less atheists" rather than saying that about all atheists. And yes a claim is being made, the claim that there is no god. Sorry, but it is a black or white belief, unless you are an agnostic who can admit that there may be a god since no evidence exists that there definitely is not one. Otherwise, you are holding the two arguments to different standards of proof. One must prove there is a god or there definitely is not one? Do you see how that is equally faith-based. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Now again, I am not referring to agnostic atheists who acknowledge that there may or may not be a god, but the devout atheists who believe that believing in a god is a definitely false belief (and usually call it stupid, for feeble minds, or some other insulting language which to me seems like evidence of the devil trying to trick people out of believing in God).
7:46 "It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions what only lunatics would believe on their own".
"Human intellect." He's talking about MAYbe 10% of the population. The rest of the world THINK they're intellectuals.
No, some of them actually admit they are idiots
@@captainjackpugh6050 They aren't idiots they're actors. Everyone on television acts like something other than themselves. They can also act like they're telling the truth they are professionally paid lawyers that actually get trophies and awards a different set of laws to live by then us lower forms of life. They killed two birds with one stone choosing Neil Degrassi Tyson as their puppet. Why not stir up racial tension and divide at the same time the truth hardly even exists anymore. I've all but been phased out of this world nowhere for honesty and kindness. They make me sick I can't wait till it's over my only friend the end
Like all these atheist troglodytes that can't get over the fact that the very scientists that helped mold their "physical reductionist" viewpoints believed in God. Sadly, they'd like to tune that out on the account of books that were written thousands of years ago.
My own proof: Proving God is 100% indeniably REAL based on facts, science and history
Just think, isn't it convenient that the earth is the only planet that is perfectly filled, and placed with elements such as oxygen, hydrogen, water, and carbon for sustaining life and, has humans living? The earth is designed SPECIALLY and DIFFERENTLY from the rest of the planets because it is the only planet for humans and living beings to live in. Do you notice the themes here? It is that, it matches and aligns EXACTLY with the Bible's Book of Genesis. God made the earth, and that humans and living beings are ONLY in the earth , as God made and intended. There's no other humans in other planets, aside from the earth. Before telescopes, space, and spacecrafts were even discovered, the Bible was already made. Also, they have a HUGE time gap. The Bible was made between 1200 and 165 BC. The first telescope that was made was in 1608 AD. We discovered space and spacecraft in the 20th century.
So how come people were able to make the Bible and say those facts during those times when they had no technology to know them? And if they get something wrong, everything will just be proven wrong?
So, it just cannot be that humans during those time "made God and the Bible," just from their imagination and knowledge because there's no way for them to know, the FACT about the earth being the only planet with humans and sustaining life, with no technology at their time, and that was what was written in the Bible. They must have had a connection and message from a higher power, to know those facts that they wrote in the Bible. And that is what they said, that they got inspired by the Holy Spirit to make the Bible and it just matches all the time. a Haha! So do not deny, just laugh, rejoice, and be glad that somebody made you realize that God is 100% real. ACCEPT and proclaim God into your lives. This is my discovery that I personally made, based on facts, cannot be denied but only accepted.
@@salumtummundi9462 Aliens are more probable. To lay people, they "plural" were Gods! If this sounds batshit crazy, consider, In a few years humans will be Aliens living on Mars! With "Crisper technology" we can interfere with evolution to aid our bodies that have to live on a foreign planet. With the aid of "Terraforming technology" with can increase the suitability of living on that planet.
As an agnostic, i can say, knowledge of a deity is beyond our understanding.
The Torra " the old testament is not the oldest religious book. Genesis sounds like a rewritten book based upon the Sumerian culture. The Sumerian religion also strongly suggest that the Gods "plural' were in fact aliens. If you want to worship Aliens, that is something completely different that worshiping God.
I remember being around seven years old at Sunday School and looking around to all the kids faces to see if they also realized we were being punk’d.
Tanya Kathy ioop
It was simmilar to me. Looking to their faces to see how concentratet they are.
i remember being in church as a kid and one of my classmates said with a sincere look and fear in her eyes that we'll burn in hell if we don't obey or sth with hell, and i looked at her in disbelief not saying a word, that's when i realized just how brainwashed they want us and that i'm not letting them turn me into that
@@FruityHachi Just because someone said you're going to hell doesn't mean you actually will. Many religious people are shitty and control freaks. That doesn't mean God is that way. I don't think people should be the reason why you don't believe in God. You know I can say this video is brainwashing you into believing that we came from nothing. A big bang that came from what? Literally every belief you can have sounds insane if you think about it. I man in the sky that see's eveything or an explosion that came from nothing and every other religion.
Tanya, remember groups like the occult, satanism, luciferians are now 10% of the population & in 1980 were less than 2% & you atheists know nothing about them!!
That guy at the end
Fucking WORLD STAR
Someone get that girl a doctor.
"That guy at the end" had his name on screen the whole time.
this is god: "i love you, you must love me or i will burn you in hell every day for eternity" sounds like a relative of hannibal lector.
I thought we had agreed that there WAS no SINGLE interpretation of the Bible at this time?
Given how disputed it has all become?
Now, how does that sound like a relative of Hannibal Lector? Very interesting.
Sounds like crazy ex gf with superpowers xD
@@niktniewiem4785 God never said that you either love me or I will send you to hell, nope it is not in the Scriptures. As a matter of fact, it is because of God's love for us that we are able to stay out of hell. However, man is so rebellious, he refuses to accept it. Man makes his choice to live in sin, not God. Man makes his choice to go to hell, not God.
God made His choice to become man, take the sins of mankind on Himself, paying the penalty of sin for man, DEATH, allowing man free access to heaven for all eternity.
Man's response: as I stated before, to become rebellious against God and try to believe He does not exist so as not to live by any morals or standards.
As I've said before, God sends no one to hell, people plan the trip themselves.
@@georgehunt6381 God is omnipotent, anyone who goes to hell goes with gods blessing. Because God could choose not to send those people to hell, to send them somewhere else or to forgive them. But no off to hell because that is love.
Damn, the last one. What a savage. Lol
He just dhowed the stupidness of the question. Any crazy lunatic can ask you - what if you are wrong and all my visions are true? ^) Will you really worry about that?
Ok so God one day decided to make life, so he just said "I'm going to make a whole universe with countless galaxies and planets ... but the only place that will have life will be this tiny little planet" ... grow up people, we all had imaginary friends, the difference is Athiest grew out of theirs
Tell me an interesting religion:
An invisible man that lives in the sky the cares more about what two people do in bed than a 1000 starving children in africa
Pray tell, what are you doing about the starving children? There is no God to help them. Will
you help?
A real azzhat in my opinion
@@Art3615 What are you doing about terrorists? There is no God to protect you. Will you help? What are you doing about child abuse? There is no God to stop it. Will you stop it? What are you doing for orphans? There is no God to bring their parents back to life. Will you be their parent? What are you doing about stupid questions? There is no God to make sure there aren't any. Will you stop asking them?
Art3615 there really isn’t much anyone can do to help. I mean, the entire food supply of the United States might feed Africa for a couple years, then send it back into poverty. Africa is screwed.
God cares about anything a human being does not just sex because he loves us and we matter to him. He also commanded that we love our neighbor as our self which isn't quite as specific as "help the starving kids in Africa" but it means the same thing
“God is everywhere but I gotta go down there every Sunday and I owe him money” - William Frederick Burr
As an atheist I endorse all these viewpoints. I’m also totally onboard with you believing in whatever you wish to, if your faith gets you through this life and you aren’t hurting anyone then fill your boots. On the other hand if your faith or church demands you persecute others or damn others then I’m not onboard with it, stop judging others for their choices, their religion, their sexual orientation or indeed what colour socks they wear, it’s none of your business and it’s not your right to destroy lives based upon your faith. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone or some such Christian phrase, it stands up, stop judging others.
I’d like everyone to question their faith and examine it closely but if they are comfortable not doing that then who am I to tell them otherwise?
Well done sir
Ignorance breathes fear,
fear breathes hatered.
And when hatred is present so is destruction. The antidote is truth, so lets stick to beliveing in things that we can prove. Since they seem to be true.
I DIDN'T TOTALLY BELIEVE on a conscious level until many years ago,Higher Intelligences entered my LIFE@times of extreme challenges!I ASKED for help&WOW!!!!!!!!!!
@@rhondarose2583 lol preach it *fart noise*
What happens when Atheists persecute? The largest mass murderer in all of history was an atheist
Harry Potter will be next God after 500 years when they find Harry Potter book series in mountain ruins.
Ricky Gervais had a good one there. "what are the reasons you don't believe in the other gods, those are the reasons I don't believe in yours"
Chris Lucas It is so simple it is hard to believe they've never considered it!
Most Gays are Atheists. Gee, I wonder why?
Gil- T- Gil Because they aren't welcome in religion perhaps?
Chris Lucas I believe there is a creator and don't believe the bible is the whole truth. Being gay is a choice. Every sin comes with a consequence. I'm a sinner and accept my consequences.
Gil- T- Gil It's a choice in the way that you choose to deny it perhaps. There are many who live their lives unhappy trying to fit in to a certain religious mold.
Me: Do you believe in santaclause?
Christian: No
Me: Do you believe in god?
Christian: Yes
Me: Lets try that again, do you believe in santaclause?
I am an atheist, and the only way that theists will ever prove me wrong is when they prove a god or gods actually exist...which they have never done for thousands of years. So theists, don't argue with atheists!! You, theists, have never proven that a god exists, especially the god that you believe in!! Please refute me and prove that your god actually exists...which you will never do!!
ManCreatesGod Have you considered that there are some things in life we
must do for ourselves? Peace & Respect!
Scott Blankenship
But you're not doing anything for yourself if you believe in something that has never been proven. Thanks and Likewise!
ManCreatesGod
Thank you for your kind reply. I actually agree with that statement. I more so meant that it might be possible for something to transcend beyond (NOT exclude) mere reason and logic that must be experienced to be believed. Of course a personal experience cannot be measured scientifically thus could never be used to prove anything to anyone else. However, I do believe there are some experiences in life that can be just as confirming to ones self. Does that make sense?
Of course there is always the possibility of delusion. This is why I would never abandon reason and logic entirely. That is dangerous! I simply have come to realize our carnal ability has limitations. Seems reasonable to me that there is something more at hand to each and every one of us than our carnal ability.
Now, that is just my opinion and conviction. I’m just throwing it out there for consideration, as I once would have expressed a view very similar to yours.
Peace always!
Scott Blankenship
Sorry for not replying sooner, I forgot to check my messages.
I'm not going to consider transcendence a possibility until that concept has been proven. Once you start considering things like the possibility of transcendence which then leads to the possibility of gods, then you're creating your own justification which ends up being a confirmation bias which results in being delusional. Also, since you've stated that, "Of course a personal experience cannot be measured scientifically thus could never be used to prove anything to anyone else", then you are not even attempting to try and justify your personal experience, all you're doing is saying that this personal experience of yours happened and people will just have to take your word for it. Well, I cannot do that, because there are ways to verifying if your personal experience is valid or just something you made up. People make stuff up all of the time, and in the case of devout theists, they do it all of the time to defend their unproven gods.
"However, I do believe there are some experiences in life that can be just as confirming to ones self."
- This statement reminds me of contestants auditioning for television talent shows, they believe whole-heartedly that they have talent, but when they are judged to not have talent, they can't believe that they are not talented and start throwing fits and/or start bawling, usually insisting that the judges are wrong. Well then, if you've had a personal experience then that's all it is... a personal experience or a personal opinion. Now, if you want to prove your conclusion is real and true then you would start taking necessary measures to proving it. If you don't want to prove it, it's most likely because you know you can't and you'd rather live with your delusion hoping people will just take your word for it. Well, I cannot do that.
" I simply have come to realize our carnal ability has limitations."
- And you're trying to self-justify your realization by implying an unproven concept as transcendence. What you don't realize is that it is easier for you to believe in the possibility of an unproven concept to verify and self-justify the possibility of an unproven being, rather than presenting facts and evidence to prove it's actual existence.
- Also, if we don't know something then just admit that we don't know,suggesting and implying unproven things as an answer is intellectually dishonest.
"Seems reasonable to me that there is something more at hand to each and every one of us than our carnal ability."
- Then it seems to me that you're basing your sense of reason on wishful thinking. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just stating that your way of thinking is based on a bunch of "ifs", "mights", and "maybes", rather than trying to base what you believe is real with things that can be proven.
"Now, that is just my opinion and conviction. I’m just throwing it out there for consideration, as I once would have expressed a view very similar to yours."
- If you're implying that you were once an atheist then I would like you to provide the evidence that convinced you that a god actually exists. For me, as an atheist, the only way for me to be convinced that a god exists is to repeatedly observe an actual existing god, along with many other people consisting of both believers and non-believers. So please, show me the proof, and not opinion and conjecture.
Have a good day!
ManCreatesGod
No worries of the timeliness of your reply. As you can see mine is much later than yours, sorry. Hopefully neither one of us spends too much time on You Tube comments section anyway! ; )
You are correct that I am not attempting to justify my faith to anyone. I feel no obligation whatsoever to do so. Faith is a deeply personal matter and one only needs to justify it to themselves. One certainly should seek the confirmation of ‘divine evidence and conviction of things unseen’ however. For I do agree with you that there are times when faith can be a delusion.
Forgive me as I am unaware of anyway to verify the validity of such personal experience. I do agree there are some folks that for their own personal (usually financial) gain do make stuff up. I don’t think I have asked anyone to take my word for it as much as I have suggested to seek and find for ones self. Note I use the word suggest - not tell. I hope I do not come across as someone who pushes their faith or is intrusive upon others.
My point was simply that the evidence and conviction that confirms God is experiencing the presence of God. This exists not merely with the awareness of Him but also in very tangible, practical ways as well. As John Wesley once said “if the Spirit of God has pierced ones heart lives will change”. This manifests itself in many ways. I don’t think any of them can be used as proof to anyone but the person experiencing them. Though there are times when someone close enough to said person can see what Christianity calls ‘fruits of the Spirit’. Of course, those fruits do not necessarily prove anything to an observer. That observer can always attempt to justify such observations as something else or for other reasons.
My point is also that such a personal experience cannot be proven from one person to another. It most certainly can be proven to ones self! Again, IMHO there are some things in life that simply must be experienced to be believed. You may not believe that but you will never convince someone that has truly experienced God otherwise. You very well might convince someone that has merely created God with his or her own imagination.
Analogies are always incomplete especially when taken further than their intended meaning but I can’t help but think of true love. We may read about it in poems, hear about it from others, or see a hallmark movie that may or may not accurately depict what true love is. Love cannot be measured or studied in a laboratory and if someone has never experienced it perhaps they do not believe it actually exists. Some may mistake a biological urge as love, yet, when the urge is gone where is love? Others may mistake affection as true love, yet, affection is an emotion and long after the butterflies in the stomach has past true love still remains. True love must be experienced to be understood. This personal experience can be related to another but cannot be used to prove true love exists to another. It most certainly can bring confirmation to ones self. In a similar way the same applies to the evidence and conviction of God I think.
“I'm not going to consider transcendence a possibility until that concept has been proven.”
Interesting. I have always given a theory more credence than a hypothesis yet the fact is neither is a ‘proven’ fact. Please do not take this as aggressive or pulling your chain but do you not consider anything possible until it has been a proven fact or only matters of God? Speaking only for myself I think the big bang theory is at the very least a possibility. Would I not be limiting myself if I didn’t? If I did not leave open the possibility that there are indeed some things that may lie beyond my own carnal limitations would I not be blinded by my own pride? I was always more of an agnostic than atheist but there was a time when I was open to many unproven possibilities, well, except for when it pertained to matters of faith.
Peace & Respect!
Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man. Living in the sky. Who watches everything you do. Every minute of the day. And the invisible man has this special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do ANY of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anger where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever until the end of time.
But he loves you😊
pnygrl99 RIP George Carlin. Don't forget to check out my other videos and subscribe! :)
Okay, I know you wrote this comment a month ago, but watching these videos make me sick. And I mean SICK. Just because someone has rules doesn't make it wrong, I mean there's fucking China or Cuba or South Korea, etc. And they do worse things, so quite complaining and learn to help others, just PLEASE make your fucking existence useful, rather than bitch about it to others.
Brigid Wiest Actually...I can cite plenty of things that US Christians have done that are just as bad as what is happening in China, or even arguably worse!
and furthermore, we're not simply bitching. We are taking a stand against religion. We are organizing and saying "ENOUGH". This is not simply just bitching around. This is about taking a stand for secularism, and for rationality.
Sean Armstrong Maybe, but sometimes you just gotta know when to, i dunno, live. And further more, I only know of drunks doing bad things then blaming it on christians. It just annoys me how some of these people have no proof to prove something wrong that also has no scientific proof. I mean, science can't explain why when one finds a phone on the ground and wants to find its owner, and when you try to explain that scientifically, it just turns into a religion.
Brigid Wiest Only drunks?? Err...I beg to differ.
Lets start with science, cuz this is a big one. 46% of American adults believe Earth is 6000 years old because of the Bible.
Chew on that. This not only has impact on our education system, but also a potential threat to our country's scientific frontier.
Or what about global warming? Ted Cruz denies global warming, and he is the leading candidate for the next US president. HURRAY...
All hail the great juju under the sea!
I love Juju!
There are juju everywhere in the sea, in the sky, on land. I am sick of these jujus.
***** must have been Joe Pesci
I love you for this. Just... I love this comment. XD
there is no juju only mighty flying sky wizard. All hail sky wizard.
George Carlin's intonations were spot on everytime! You just cant not listen to him because he gets you hooked and hes also right
Until one sees and talks to Jesus Christ, they will realize that all of this blah blah is a waste of time. God bless
George Carlin had his opinion on religion. I couldn't waste my time listening to Carlin. Good luck.
I bealive in one god :The flying spagheti fear him
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Christopher Hitchens has to make the list. One of the greatest anti-theists of the modern age.
[)(r[) you shall suffer eternity for blasphemy
AHHHH, it doesnt take long for the termites to arise to the surface and promise torture of hell does it ? why cant your god sort the blasphemous people right now ? perhaps a judicious zapping whilst in starbucks should soon stop the blasphemy, unless its as I believe , a victimless crime.
Puny gods
BUT HE LOVES YOU. (puppy eyes.)
George carlin was the best.
RUSSIAN ROBOT I dissagree
RUSSIAN ROBOT Doesent that apply for everyone?
RUSSIAN ROBOT I think therefore i am, anything past that is i belive.
RUSSIAN ROBOT The world you experience is created in your mind. You could be mentally dmged and be haveing a conversation with yourself for all you know. You can say that it doesent seem likely but even dreams make sence when we sleep, and you cant prove that you are awake. Tbh you cant argue against this.
RUSSIAN ROBOT I think therefore i am doesent mean that the simple act of thinking difines you, but proves that whatever you are, you have to exist since you can think.
Got to love the last clip where Richard Dawkins just completely destroyed that person's entire life.
Dawkins has nothing to account for life. All Dawkins has in faith that nature did it.
There will never be no end to this argument. I figured that out a long time ago. Its best to just let bygones be bygones. If your atheist...cool. If your theist...cool. I'm an atheist btw.
+Master Debater I disagree. Someone is right, correct? So, do you really think we can't search and find out? Either Christ was right when He said, "seek and you will find" or not.
Have you really examined the arguments for and against God and/or Christianity?
+Greg S The problem is that there is no way to "prove" that there is no god. But I guess that the debate will end when humans are too smart to believe in fairytales that makes no sense what so ever...
It seems like you assume there is no reason to believe in God.
Can you tell me how the universe was first moved and/or created? Matter does not simply _decide_ to move itself, so what first caused it to be set in motion? Does it not take a supernatural force to set nature in motion?
Greg S
There are many things that we don't know, and it seems like that is enough to keep people believing in things that goes against everything that we know of the world.
If we look back on humankinds history, we know that there has always been things that we at the time did not know the answer to, and instead made up supernatural things to explain. For example that thunder came from thor.
Humans have always made up things about how the world works before we have found out the truth. And almost everytime our made up beliefs have been wrong.
The problem with your argument is that a "god" raises more questions than it answers. Where did god come from? Why does he allow all the evil things in this world if he can help. And on and on
Isak Cederlund "Where did god come from? Why does he allow all the evil things in this world if he can help."
1) God does not come from anything. How could He? Again, what other proposal do you have for the origin of all things and/or the first movement of the universe? Something is eternal, non-contingent, and it ultimately brought this universe into existence. So, what is it if not God?
2) As conscious and sentient beings, do we not choose to do evil (i.e. that which is not good)? Would you prefer not to have a choice?
These are hardly the best atheist arguments. They do however take great jabs at Christianity and rightly so. There is no bigger driving force for atheism than Christianity in the US and abroad.
Mauri Flores For my audience, which primarily consists of Christians, these are actually some of the best beginner arguments (especially the counter to PW).
A observation why evolutionists will not abandon their theories, is the same reason In spite of overwhelming evidence that 911 was not a conspiracy, yet many will keep saying it is .There are dozens of websites with empirical proof and evidence debunking each claim that the Towers were blown up by dynamite, and the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania was shot down by the Air Force, CIA ordered it, and many many other claims, Yet conspiratists will not reasonably agree.Same with UFO hunters and Big Foot and etc.. Here Big bang scientists and evolutionists have the same hope against hope in spite of over whelming evidence to the contrary. All their hope, emotion, ridicule, Hedron collider findings,Equations, and ETC will not make theories come true nor even near plausible. Its amazing it begs the question. So You cant reason with them.
What would moronic atheists do if they didn't have two billion plus Christians to try to make fun of?
willieofroanoke They would move on to eradicating more diseases, seeing as they had successfully knocked out a 2,000 year old plague that had killed millions and tortured many more.
Mee Eee Now there's a highly romanticized idea. Spoken with such faith in atheism. :-p
One of my favorite George Carlin quotes regarding religion: "Tell people that there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority will believe you. Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure."
George Carlin is not laughing now he is in hell won't be long before you will be joining him Stupid atheist
Radar I don't believe in hell. Nice try. Stupid religious human.
Yea, i don't believe Atheist have brains until i actually see them and when i do see them that doesn't prove the brain actually ever worked
Radar The human body literally cannot function without a working brain. It's science and common knowledge that all humans have brains, including atheists, and that even humans with incredibly low IQ's have working brains. Also, CAT scans, IQ tests, and MRI's all prove that atheists have functioning brains, sometimes to superior or genius levels, just like Christian brains or the brains of other religious people. It could even be argued, though I have no evidence to currently support this, that many atheists have high functioning brains because they ask copious amounts of questions and don't take anything on faith. Rather, they tend to rely on logic, reason, and curiosity, which keeps them a step ahead of some people. It's a known, observable, measurable fact that functioning brains exist in all people who are not clinically brain dead. It is faith that states that Hell exists, even though there is no proof that it does. Belief means little in the face of facts. That being said, I'm glad you have something to believe in, hopefully something that gives you comfort. I only wish it gave you morals as well.
Life simply did not create itself, just because you don't see something does not mean it does not exist'' no man is smarter than god
look at creation proof enough not including all the facts of the bible that atheist simply ignore and the same way i believe in a Christian god you believe in nothing basically'' and it does give us much comfort and that is why we share
Who's the guy doing stand up comedy? Absolutely hilarious and on point
George Carlin.
Hey atheist, if gravity is real then how come plants grow upwards? Checkmate atheists
In science we trust
Would you like some ice for that burn?
Another checkmark on the idiocy of Christians. Thanks for making us atheists look smark. Please keep making those comments
gg wp
Hey Atheists if America isn't a Christian nation then why does the constitution say "In GodWe Trust" Checkmate Atheists
The best atheist argument is "Can you prove any gods exist?" ;)
+FourDeuce01 If only that worked.
Can you prove God Doesn't exist.
MTHFT Depends on how much information you give me about this god. If there is enough information, like a bible full of contradictions about god and his nature, then yes I can prove internally that it is logically impossible for that god to exist.
GodWorksOut
A Classical personal god. Who created the universe, has always existed and will exist forever. Irrespective of religion. Is there a creator or no creator, a scientific disapproval.
(And by the way why did we evolve to have sex to reproduce, natural selection would have been auto reproduction and a bigger life span by resistance to the most common diseases.) Have we developed resistance to any disease at all?)
MTHFT Why should we try proving something that does not exist?? We should only try proving things that do work and do exist that are logical and there is evidence of them, since there is no single evidence of any god's existence why the heck to bother proving it on the first place??? Cause there are huge number of things that lack of evidence and moreover there are infinite number of things we still do not know of them,would you bother to start proving they DON'T exist??
" don't let school ruin your education."
Paraphrasing Mark Twain
Help me please, I'm currently studying in a Catholic School.
😤 Only few months and I'll be graduating.
@@jsmn_luv oof
" it's your right to believe what you want , and it's your right to be wrong . and i'll fight for that right "
That statement doesn't make sense to me for a person who believes in total logic and reason and math and science.
7:00. Exactly what I’ve always thought.
God is love.
Michael Pondo if god loves all then why does he refuse to help all the poor kids dying from cancer huh, god doesn’t exist because if he did he would heal them
@@MarioUff878 so why he cures some of them? So that they still live in this sick world?
Shadow why the hell even make this fucking world then? Why doesn’t god just make paradise?
@@lerombus6020 He did and our ancestors rebelled against him. You should be asking why he didn't wipe us off the face of the Earth.
God gave us ONE reason to follow him (Because he commanded it). And a TRILLION reasons not to. Follow your nose, as the great tucan sam once said.
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You deserve a medal :)
GodWorksOut Absolutely my friend!
Daniel Valerio Unsure of if your response is meant sarcastically, but I'll assume not haha... aaaaand.... Thanks Brother! ;)
The editor of the video have... well good editing sense. I mean for the content, not video editing. A lot of the time things are compiled randomly. This truly captures some of the brilliant rhetoric arguments.
Totally agree