Christian Reacts to Jordan Peterson's "Message to the Christian Churches"
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- Hi all. It is, of course, completely presumptuous of me to dare to broadcast a reaction video giving my thoughts, as a Christian, on a video from an absolutely brilliant man. But if Jordan Peterson were here, I have a feeling he'd say... do it anyways. So I will. :-)
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Hi all! 🙃
Good comments here. Thank you all for your thoughts. It's interesting hearing other perspectives!
Amen Melissa! All Christians need discipleship! I craved it and only got a Bible study!
Thanks Melissa. Keep pressing on. I'm sure it's very hard what you do. I come from a word of faith background. I used to actually be afraid to speak because of the power of my words. I used to wonder why God wasn't blessing my family because we struggled financially. I used to wonder why someone wasn't getting healed. And so on. Thank you for helping me and many others.
I agree why do we Protestents take insult and everyone else gets a free pass my only guess is the daily wire is heavily Catholic but if he wants morality to return how does he expect to do it without the Bible belt which is heavily protestent.
Hello sister Melissa,, u r so deep in thought,, I love u, sister, I'm 24 yrs old, I follow Christ too but still struggling with pornography, masturbation, and same sex feelings, I do pray a lot, plz help me with that 😔
Melissa, thank you so much for commenting on JP's assertions.
I appreciate your willingness and ability to take the time to actually LOOK at what is being said, and ask questions.
I was one of those young men who watched his biblical series who later came to faith in our Lord.
Thank you Jesus!
I've met many young men that share your experience.
Praise the Lord 🙏🏽💜🙏🏽
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YAY 😁 SO HAPPY FOR YOU
As a Christian guy who has benefited a lot from Jordan Peterson, I pray that God will bless him in his search for truth and open his eyes to see and experience the miracle of the Gospel. Thanks for another great video!
The whole truth is found in the Catholic Church
Why? He's an agent of the the enemy. None of these things are hidden information: he works for the UN, he collects Soviet art, he has had his daughter dress him up in drag, he is a so-called classical liberal which was born out of the enlightenment which started by people who were sophists (just like Peterson) and unbelievers. He rejects the idea of Jesus even being a real person, and really resurrecting from the dead, let alone Him being True God. What on Earth is there to follow this man on? He's a shill. Stop drinking the Kool aid.
@@samuelcarver1343 The Catholic church broke away from the true church. It was founded a whoping 1000 years after Christ. Get real
@@donquixote8462 to claim that Protestant’s can claim the heritage of the undivided church is ludicrous Protestant churches were founded by people like Martin Luther and John Calvin and Thomas Kramer the Catholic Church was founded by Christ himself and Saint Peter who was given the keys to the church by Christ himself.
@@samuelcarver1343 the Catholic church isn't a Christian church. That is why there are protestants and Catholics. We aren't the same.
I started following Dr. Peterson when he first came on the radar over his resistance to compelled speech in Canada. I have seen various talks he has given including some of his academic lectures. He was raised in the church (I'm not sure what denomination but I think it was a very traditional church as opposed to evangelical.) but is not himself a true believer. I have seen a video of his where he talks about Jesus and is moved to tears in discussing Him. He has shared that his wife is a believer and she had started a prayer group/ bible study in their home. He is so close to finding Jesus and I think his problem is that he keeps intellectualizing Him rather than experiencing Him. Many times I wished I had the opportunity to sit down with him and discuss salvation with him. I pray for him regularly. I humbly ask that others pray for his salvation as well,
@Jesus is our Savior Seeing that you too are a believer, I was sincerely curious as to what it is about his behavior that you find objectionable.
He was raised sort of as a Roman Catholic.
His wife is a believer in God, but not a born again Christian. She is very new age, unfortunately. We need to pray for both Jordan and Tammy.
Yeah...his wife converted to catholicism. I've heard his daughter Mikhaila ...
I think the biggest impediment to faith for JP is his reputation. He has to know that as soon as he professes Christ that his position of scholarly authority in the world will be lost and he'll be written off as just another fundamentalist. Sad, but people have walked away from Christ for much less...
Jordan Peterson is a great guy. Smart and well educated. He’s looking in the right direction….towards God….but he has a lot to learn about God and Christianity. We need to pray for him. John :3:16
He is smart and I thought he was seeking God, however he kept taking God's name in vain especially Jesus'name during an interview about the Dutch farmers. It made me finally turn it off. I commented on his interview to please not take my Lord's name in vain! The guy he was interviewing didn't cuss at all and you'd think J.P. would've taken the hint! J.P. is still lost!
@@KM-zn3lx I know he’s still lost. I agree with you. But he is starting to “think” about God…..he didn’t before. You are right ….he’s still lost but there is a glimmer of hope for him. He needs people to pray for him.
@@serghonest9 that awkward moment when someone assumes having a biblical worldview means there’s been no education outside of it. You forget that devout Christians come from incredibly varied backgrounds, many being secular. Respectfully speaking, perhaps you, sir, should take your own advice about learning things outside of your echo-chambered rhetoric lest you be considered a hypocrite. It would serve you well to learn why, how, and when people came to the Faith to see that no one has the same background yet, for the most part, have come to the same fundamental creeds/truths of Christianity.
@@melindamercier6811 lol. Yes that awkward moment. I agree wholeheartedly with your comment.
@@serghonest9 ….you don’t know what you are talking about. You judge Christian’s in the wrong manner and falsely accuse them. Did you not notice that I admire Jordan Peterson ? Why are you attacking me with false notions about my Christianity ? “You” need to read the Bible. You falsely judge Christian’s in general.
I can see both sides of the argument.
There was once a time when the surrounding churches, which were primarily Catholic, were responsible for not only the body (Christians members) but also the community surrounding the building.
I think JP is looking at this through an older view of the church, where the church was the center of a town, or community and responsible for the people.
Occasionally I’ll tell my wife, “One of the greatest mistakes of the modern church was giving their responsibilities to the government.”
I think JP is saying, in a much more sophisticated way, “it’s time for the church to take back that responsibility.”
You are exactly right! I don’t disagree, but the family-positive, community-building he’s espousing is a side-effect of Christianity, not the mission. We need to pray that the Holy Spirit will convict and change hearts FIRST, then the other positive results in families and communities will follow naturally. IOW, we need a revival INSIDE the American Church.
Dear Lord. Stop. The man is a UN shill. A socialist. A collector of Soviet art. A classical liberal by the way, which was born out of atheistic philosophy during the Enlightenment. His daughter dressed him up in drag. Wake up. He denies the most fundamental tenants of being a believer
Jordan Peterson is about as sophisticated as a McDonald's cheeseburger. If you study philosophy for more than 2 weeks you'll realize he's a complete hack. He knows nothing about anything he talks about. Christ's church is in such a deplorable state when people are listening to this shill.
Exactly my thought. The more "medieval" aspect of the Church's origin was the heart of the family, community and nation.
@@pamelashropshire7298 AMEN!! I completely agree.
My wife and I are part of a Christian community where we live life together. We have a school, church, we support each other’s small businesses, and all take care of one another. That care spread out across our church community and spills into the surrounding community.
It’s unique and unlike anything I have ever seen in America, but I can’t help thinking it’s the way the church should be. I get a little teary just bringing it up because it means so much to us.
Anyway, I completely agree with you. We need a revival of the spirit, and an outpouring of charity from our American churches.
“Its not a behavior issue, it’s a connection issue” 👍🏾
Yes!
Jordan Peterson has a heart that seeks truth he knows everything in his head and he is a gift to the world I believe, his heart just needs to meet Jesus.
Jordan heart has already meet Jesus...... Christian just want people to think exactly as they do and if they don't then they are not and I quote "true Christians" whatever that is.
I think he sees our youth being consumed with the ways of the world full of sin, it's our job as Christians, parents, church to do more not less as time has changed from older ways to a world that is bombarding our youth from every angle.
Im not one for watching reaction videos but this was good, what amazes me most is a non christian seems to understand and see more of the decline and is speaking boldly than most self professed christians.
Very enjoyable thank you
“The more I see the hatred for men in our country, the more I’m seeing their worth”. Well put
As a mom of 7 and 4 year old boys, I would LOVE to hear a video/podcast or series of them from you on the topic of kids! Whatever your area of expertise is.
Noted!
As a man starting to have talks with his wife about starting a family, I second this! Even a few book recommendations would be appreciated.
Thanks! God bless!
Second this! 🖐🏻. I’m a relatively new Christian, and Home Educate our son. I’m winging it with Bible study, I could certainly do with some advice ❤️ he asks some good questions and I just can’t answer him. I love it if you could give some tips and resources please Melissa x
2.5 yo and 11 month old boys here, parent talk would be awesome.
I agree.
Can't tell you how many times I've listened to Bible preaching and teaching pastors belittle the men in their pews. We are always bumbling goofs who say the wrong thing and or do the wrong thing. We are chastise for not being the spiritual leaders of our home. When I hear sermon to the women it always starts out with the Pastor saying don't kill the messenger I'm just saying what the Bible says. Today's Pastors are scared to death of the women.
I think they are overly sensitive to what outsiders would say and think, not necessarily afraid of the typical woman in the Church.
Church has become overwhelming feminist
Beware creating a false 'schism' among brother's and sisters in the church where there is none - that is the enemy's strategy to destroy unity! The men you speak of are scared of woke feminists - that is not a reflection on Christian women per se - we are not of them!
That has not been my experience. It's the complete opposite.
See my comment above.
JP thinks Protestants are the worst, because Eastern Orthodox and the RCC put more emphasis on works than we do, and JP is extremely pragmatic in his understanding. So, it would make sense that denominations that don’t put a big spotlight on works would come across to JP as suspicious.
So much good info here. One phrase that you used that is resonating with me so much. You put into words what I have been feeling and could not put to words myself. “[The Bible] is ‘life applicationed’ to death.”
Yes! Same here. We don't hear so much what God's Word actually means....what God/Jesus is saying. It's our life stories put to Bible verses....cherry picked and out of context
Your church's for God's sake!
Quit fighting for social justice and start tending to some souls!
Amen sister I'm glad that you repeated that part. I was dancing along with you
Jordan Peterson isn't speaking about salvation, his or anyone else's -he's speaking about responsibility~
You’re awesome. You help my Christian walk.
Excellent review, Melissa! Filling up churches with self-righteous unbelievers on a social mission is a great strategy of the enemy of men's souls and the gospel of salvation in Christ's finished work alone. When I hear JP 2 Corinthians 11:12-15 immediately comes to mind.
It's literally one of the biggest problems we're currently dealing with, so in this way, his message is already being carried out. Focusing on helping men (though true) instead of Jesus is, I think, the biggest gap in his message.
@@MelissaDougherty freemasonry does the same….men helping men through a “brotherhood”
@@SDPtor Freemasonry is actually satanism.
@@SDPtor The foundation should be founded on Truth…Jesus Christ, the risen Lord!!!
@@melissaculpepper7663 yes, luciferian to the core but men are lured in under the guise of a brotherhood of men helping build their family, community and a “better” world.
Hello Melissa! I was baptized in 2011 and really felt like I was a Christian but boy was I wrong. Not only did I not know scripture because I didn't read it but maybe a chapter once in awhile because it was being talked about in church but I felt like I could bend things to My views versus God's views because I felt certain things were wrong that God believed. Well just seeing me write that shows how ignorant I was. The creator of all things and his opinion trumps anything that I or anyone else has to say. Now in 2022 I actually have a relationship with Jesus Christ and I've been studying scripture for 3 years in depth at times and I still don't know as much as I need to because none of us do. This is a lifelong journey and scripture talks to us differently throughout our lives based on what we're going through. The things that I felt were wrong I now realize what I feel has nothing to do with the truth. I have found a church that my pastor preaches the word no matter what anybody feels he preaches the truth. We're now going through the book of Revelations and depth because many churches don't even talk about it but very short and to the point and they move on to the sugar and cupcake version of the Bible. I'm grateful for my relationship with God and look forward to everything I have to learn from this day forth. God bless you Melissa and your genuineness and not being afraid to speak about God's truth in its entirety and not sugar coated because things can get ugly and they don't always sound fair but God is a just God and his truth is my truth
Amen!
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Our little local church is going through the book of Revelations. It's been the best experience I've ever had in a church. It's easy getting lost in a large show dog church. My interest is Jesus first and by Grace we are saved.. not by works lest any man should boast. The preacher preach the gospel & he is going through every detail of Revelation. I love God's Grace & Mercy. Everyday is a new day and we need to get the message of Jesus dying for our sins out there 🙏🏽💜🙏🏽
Hey op, is it possible that you were just young in the faith and are comparing what you know now to what you didn't know then? 🤔 or do you look back an go *oooooh I was sooooo evil* but you were just new? Just asking.
Revelation. 😀
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Praying for you KI Davis. Not easy losing a child. I know… 😢. But our God is the perfect Counselor!!🙌🏼
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May God full your heart with even more joy and peace in the future. Prayers going up for you.
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I loved watching this. I really enjoy your insight and you doing these type of reaction videos. And I think Jordan Peterson is amazing and that we as Christians should pray for him. Not just say it but really pray for this man. He could be such a great influence in the church if he turned to God with his whole heart. #PrayforPeterson I think he will do great things in the name of Jesus.💖
As a mom of three boys/men, I agree with encouraging connections with boys through how they learn. We used to have lightsaber and Nerf battles, went camping, encouraged sports they were interested in, field trips (I homeschool), and anything else that helped them feel confident towards the men they were becoming. This included how they felt their position was in the church. My goal was to raise them as Godly men who would be confident in whatever role God put them in. So far, so good. Two of them are on their own now and solely in God's hands. On churches having a political viewpoint - I have gone to two in our area over the years that have vastly different views on that. The first one was very politically oriented even so much as telling the congregation who to vote for during certain primaries. Sometimes I felt that was good, sometimes I was on the fence about it. We presently go to a church that will not talk about anything going on in the news or on social issues. Sometimes I wish they would just so we, as a congregation, could pray for those things. I like Jordan Peterson too. It's nice to see an intelligent, rational man push back on the "woke" mentality being stuffed down so many throats.
This is an old comment but I wanted to reply. In a constitutional republic like ours, where our system is designed to be directly interacted with in some democratic ways I think that discussing the potential representatives is as or even more important than discussing church leadership. We have made politics a dirty word because dirty, unrepentant people have used politics for dirty deeds. Outright evil in fact.
It may not be appropriate for Christians to fight offensive wars or even maybe protest taxation but discussing 'politics' in a constitutional republic like ours is important. If the congregation doesn't agree then there are likely some serious core value differences that NEED addressing. Reading Paul's letters gives me the feeling that the early church's were not at all afraid to have lively debate.
Whenever Peterson talks about Christ or the bible, it’s always wrapped up in Dualism. If he’s leading people to seek God, amen. But his pursuit of scripture seems purely intellectual. People need to be born again and so does he. I hope he gets saved and gives the world a testimony some day.
He's not attempting to lead anyone to God - he's not speaking as a 'spiritual leader', he's calling the churches too step up and teach your men RESPONSIBILITY!
How do you know he's not born again?
I loved hearing you talk on KIDS.... would love to hear you talk more on this. Do not be shy to draw on your training about and experience with children, to make videos to educate and enlighten in harmony with Biblical view♡♡♡
I watch JP almost daily because I’ve never heard or seen anyone like him, I think God is opening his heart to the truths of scripture and we are watching a soul being reborn. He has many years of philosophy teaching that is slowing down his acceptance of spiritual things, but he’s getting there. Right now he sees that we are headed for catastrophe if the World Economic Forum is successful, so he’s working on that front also to head off famine, starvation, and the destruction of many countries. He’s going to make a difference. Pray pray pray for his understanding and the ability to communicate because he now has the platform to get the word out.
FINALLY - someone who understands that Jordan Peterson isn't preaching salvation, he's trying to teach responsibility !
Jordan Peterson is new to the faith, even though he has studied ancient scripture from a secular worldview for years. He’s very brilliant, but I think he himself needs someone to actively disciple him so he can continue to grow spiritually and gain more exposure to the needs and functions of the Body. But he’s tracking lol there’s much hope.
Oh my goodness. Melissa, this may be the most helpful (and necessary) video I've seen you do! You have reworded Mr. Peterson's lofty wisdom into a message I can understand and relate to. The guy is obviously brilliant, but he lacks Spiritual wisdom. You've added it. Thank you.
I could not agree more. He speaks out of brilliant human wisdom and moral outrage, but he totally lacks the input of the Holy Spirit.
Jordan Peterson is not speaking to you as a 'spiritual leader' he's calling the church to step up and teach your young men responsibility - as a result, your women will benefit as will your community and all of society -
I stumbled upon your channel. THANK YOU! You give this middle-aged, "heartbroken and depressed for our future" Christian, hope for our young people!
I really appreciate how you speak up for men and I think men needs to do the same for women
Wow! Love this Melissa!! I just had a conversation with my pastor husband yesterday and love this quote on concentrate on saving souls! Golly! The Gospel is offensive, and it is not preached soundly enough! Sin is not preached enough, and people are going to hell, because pastors are not taking their roles seriously enough. We, as the church are not here for social justice issues. We are here to make disciples, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost...knowing that He will be with us to the end of the age. Speaking the hard truth is much harder than the "social justice thing!" But Jesus is with us. If people choose to not believe or don't want to hear the truth, they are denying Jesus...not us who speak it. And...even if offense in taken, we need to be prepared to suck it up for the Kingdom's sake. After all, no matter what, Jesus promised that he would be with us until the end of time!
I love and am blessed by your channel and am glad God gave you a platform.
Oh my goodness! I LOVED this!! Thank you for doing this. I, too, needed more info. from JP in a few places within his video. Rewatching his video with you was incredibly helpful for me. You, once again as usual, helped me learn how to discern truth vs. non-truth. Please do more of these videos.
I’d give anything to see you interview JP about his video. ❤️
Brilliantly commented. I agree with your analysis on all the points you have addressed. Thank you for this video!
I really appreciate you Melissa. You’re so warm, open, honest, thoughtful, comical, and appreciate your viewers. Keep spreading truth, it really makes a difference. God bless. As a former prosperity gospel, hyper charismatic, word of faith subscriber, you’ve truly helped me to find balance, and actually read the Bible for myself. 🙏🏽.
Jordan Peterson missed something: the gospel. That's what changes people from the inside-out, and that leads to positive societal change.
True, because he is not (yet) a believer.
@@wiggydebates3944 Accepting Christ as your savior means being willing to throw away everything as rubbish compared to the gospel. Those who have the most to lose have the hardest time getting into the kingdom.
Why are most Christian’s unable to refrain from dictating what Peterson needs to do or what Peterson is “missing”. It is so rude and arrogant.
This is the type of attitude and disposition that makes people recoil from Christianity. Thank God Christianity exists apart from Yeshua.
Jordan Peterson is not speaking to you as a 'spiritual leader' -
@@Sio369CArchives Christianity exists apart from Yeshua?
Two year olds are my favorite too. I'm so grateful for your channel!
I really appreciate your words Melissa! Thank you♥️
As a woman who has some masculine traits (mostly having zero contentiousness) - I have been in a lot of churches that don’t teach any responsibility. They do what you said, just “teach” life application. It wasn’t until I started listening to and reading Dr Peterson that I started to grow up. When he’s speaking to churches to include young men and then teach them, I don’t think of that as a social club. I’d say it’s more like school. I know our pastor doesn’t want to step on toes. When he and my husband and I were talking to him he had a lot more to say, but wouldn’t say it from the pulpit.
When I hear JP talk about Christianity, I’m reminded of a quote from C.S. Lewis’ The Screwtape Letters;
“Believe this (Christianity) not because it is true, but for some other reason (i.e., because it serves a purpose).”
JP wants to use Christianity to serve worldly ends, and while that is good as far as it goes, it won’t save his or anybody else’s soul. He’s been working toward accepting Christ as his savior, but he’s not there yet, and until that happens it’s nothing more than using Christianity as a means of self-improvement.
Or, social improvement. I appreciate the JP cares about the message being sent to men, especially young men, by society. But I've seen enough men pretend to be Christians to fit in for one reason or another. Only to be temptedvinto destructive sin that then sullys the name of Christ since they claimed it, that I would not encourage men to just go to church for improvement purposes. Aren't we fighting against moral therepudic diesm? It sounds to me like thara what JP is prioritizing? Men and women need the gospel. Over and over. Repentance, over and over, and to grow into more christlike people because of what Christ has done to free us from our sin. Culture may not change- it may hate us, but Christ changes our hearts.
thank you for this well thought reaction, I really respect you and JP!
Thank you for this reaction. You have a lot of good information.
Loved the video. Appreciate your intellect and perspective. I also have a deep appreciation for Jordan Peterson, and I pray for him. I think he’s getting closer to truly knowing Jesus.
Love this video! I too love his content and your content! I think you articulated perfectly the truths and the areas that need more context as a Christ follower. He’s surely on to something great, I pray God continues to draw him to Himself as it seems JP has been in pursuit of God for some time. Thank you Melissa 🙌🏼🤓
Thank you for the video Melissa! Well done!
Good morning Melissa I hope you have an amazing blessed day. I'm looking forward to watching this video
I love JP as well. Learned so much from him. I'm pretty sure his wife converted to catholicism recently, can't prove it but she started her own podcast that sounds very catholic to me. He was raised with no religion but found out early the biblical stories were necessary for civilization. They are a frame of reference for most people, or were anyway. Now that they aren't, we have no frame of reference. I don't know if this is what he is saying or not but I remember when I was protestant and going to protestant churches, every Mother's day sermon was how wonderful mothers are and how they are to be practically worshipped. We would stand and get a flower and feel so good about ourselves. Come Father's Day, it was the opposite. Fathers were pretty much blasted for being absent and unconnected to their families. They were not living up to their God given responsibilities etc. I really think it was as simple as the person giving the sermon was a man and projected his own failures onto the men in the congregation. Plus they couldn't really brag on themselves now could they? I watched this over and over. Made me feel really sad for the fathers who were trying and doing their best.
I was reacting right along with you. Similar responses. I always think of Peterson as someone who struggles with authenticity and status. That's why we get the vacillation between secular statements and Christian ones and all the crazy ambiguity.
No ambiguity - he certainly does NOT struggle with authenticity or status - he's about teaching the men of this world RESPONSIBILITY' and as a result society will benefit - AND the churches are notoriously negligent in this area-
Thanks, Melissa, for your reaction! I've watched multiple other videos about JP's message and I appreciate your perspective. Also side note - your hair looks really beautiful! You always look great but was nice to see your whole face :D God bless and thank you for your ministry.
Two of my favorite people yes!!!! Haha I love you and Jordan Peterson and loved both of what you guys said in this video, I think your breakdown was spot on Melissa, I agree with you 100%. I thoroughly enjoyed this thank you so much for making this! It definitely turned out great 👍
I’ve enjoyed watching JPs shift. It’s a phenomenal example of how we can have all the intelligence and insight in the world but only God gives revelation. I’ve never heard someone get so far on their own but still, for him to get over that last bit to fully know God and have revelation will require Gods involvement and not just JPs mind. Love his stuff. What a journey! He’s almost there
This isn't about Jordan Peterson or salvation - it's about him calling the churches to teach your young men to be responsible individuals -
@@gracelatour3441 and yet JP is still is a soul that needs to be saved. Many of us Christians would rejoice to see him find the truth.
See, as soon as I heard him self profess working with the UN, I was cashed out. That's a no go with me. God bless, thanks for covering!
I love this Melissa. Keep doing these types of videos! You are teaching us how to think critically!
Great work on this video! U articulated well about the questions I had when I 1st watched his video.
Hi Melissa! I loved that you made this video. I have heard of JP's video "message to the Christian churches" but never watched, nor did I watch anyone commenting on it, therefore I found my first time listening to JP and also your comments on what he said. I am also reading the same book like you!! hahaha!
I would like to share my views and opinions, as a christian having grown up in a christian church and home environment, whilst being an introvert and an observer, thinker and someone who's always craved deeper understanding and truth seeker. I mention all this to give a little background of me as a fellow christian and human being.
As I was carefully listening to JP, I have to agree with him on how men are being under attack and I loved it when you said that all this worldly opposition to what God made/created men to be, is only making you appreciate men more ... it is funny because that is the very same effect it is having in me.
The "solution" or responsibility that JP seem to put on the christian churches when it comes to young men, sounds like a mass recruitment of men without interview required/irrespective of what their beliefs are, and this would be counterproductive in the sense that, the church (like you said) is not a social gathering or secular meeting centre point. It is the place to learn about the gospel, develop understanding on how to have a close, personal and intimate relationship with God and become disciples and ambassadors to the nations to share the good news, the gospel.
It is us sharing the gospel with others, it is the gospel that touches the souls of people, the seed that God gives growth to in people's lives... I am not sure JP has fully embraced and surrendered to Jesus and what that exactly means as nothing is mentioned about it. It is very vague indeed.
I have this tendency to detect patterns... and sadly I see more women being or behaving like men?? I don't know how to explain it, and that cannot be good for men!! And surely God does not like that. Also what is good is called bad and viceversa... which is something we are told would happen ...
Do you think that JP says what he says, because he believes that whilst imperfect the christian churches are, they will still uphold the original, God designed nature and role of men?? It is much better than what the masses out of church are about!! That question popped in my head seriously...
The possible danger I see in doing what he says as he says, without taking into consideration the spiritual side and implications... is that as a friendly place, could be pretty easy for young men to be and adapt whilst not having had that born again experience, spiritual transformation??
Having said that, it is our duty as embassadors of Christ in this world, to love one another and protect, defend and stand for the truth and this world right now is trying to force the lies to become truth! Like you said, we need to make a decision as to where we stand, and good company, God filled will have a positive influence in those around us, young men included.
I am a teacher and used to teach children as young as 3 (they are SO MUCH fun!!) and also teens, all the way to adults. It is true that boys go through a period of time that they play with dolls and enjoy cooking and dressing the dolls to then go to the more physical, energetic, interests and activities. Whereas girls too, go through a process (specially if you have brothers, like i did) where they like to play with cars, play police and thiefs, play football...they go then to a calmer, nurturing, and creative interests and activities... I used to volunteer in Summer camps, the 15 first days were for boys only and the other 15 days were for girls only hahahaha the difference was night and day!!
Boys are extremely active almost 24hrs, they make you work harder at different levels and they have this unique kind of fun and beauty that make them who they are. I always ended exhausted ahahahaha... whereas the girls were more into a calmer and more relaxing beautiful, conversational, would play sports but would be less competitive and kinder? hahahaha that was a "recovery" period for me! :D
Melissa, would it be possible to perhaps, since there was a lot of ambiguity in dear JP's speech, invite JP for a chat with you? I believe it would be something really interesting and I, like you, love this intellectual stimulation and depth in conversation! Learnt a lot of vocabulary AND when and how to be used too hahahaha! I think that could be arranged, right? I would love it :)
There is so much I could say, but I will be pondering on what I have listened to and my role in the wider spectrum of the world! Thank you so much!!
Melissa, I agree with you here...and appreciate your videos. You've confirmed so many things about what's happening in our churches over the years. I still love Jesus Christ as my Blessed Savior. No turning back for me! It's just that the Body of Christ has strayed so far away from God over the last 60 to 70 years. Much prayer is needed...
Also participation. We can not give up on our churches by walking away. If there need to be changes, you need to be active and prayerful. Yes, there are always reasons you might feel this is the wrong church, but until God tells you to move on, you need to be where HE plants you. Don't give up, God will provide.
'Will never stop working in our Lord's vineyard 'til He calls me home Praise His name forever✝️☝️
Great video, michelle! I agree with your viewpoints 100%. Keep up the great work, and be blessed!
I’m so glad you made this response video! 👏 Your commentary is perfect! No we need to get Peterson to actually go to church with one of us. 🙏🏻
I listened to this message when it came out. I was excited as I read the title, because its so important. But as I listened, I also felt the message coming out somewhat ambiguous and hollow... mostly for the reasons you very well pointed out. I know Dr Peterson’s work and concerns (I also read his book 12 rules for life), so I understand his intention of helping with this message. But the problem we face in modern society, from all sides, is a profound drifting away from Truth - the Biblical Truth - the intent for God’s design of human beings, male and female. Each gender has a role and it is being stripped away from us gradually over decades now. The demoralization of society is everywhere. The destruction of the family, demonizing stay at home moms, demonizing men for being the bread winners for their families, the sexualization of children, all of these are big symptoms of a degenerating society, among other symptoms.The role of churches is to return to Biblical truth and preach it, as uncomfortable as it may sound. The more a society lives in a lie, the more it hates the truth. But Souls need to hear Truth again and be stirred, so that we have a chance to return to the original design of both genders in society, and focus on the family - the very fabric that holds society together from its roots.
I think what I'm hearing Jordan saying is church is a safe uplifting space for men, orthodox church's with their traditions might be safer. Let's face it some protestant church's are so relaxed , these seeker friendly church's seem to be about entertaining.
orthodox churches are definitely not safer, the orthodox church teaches damnable heresy, i.e. that we are not saved by grace alone through faith alone, with that being said I do agree with you that many protestant churches do not have a liturgy which they follow during worship services. I think it is very important for a church to have a liturgy, in order to conduct church service in a structured and orderly fashion, after all the Bible says
“ One Corinthians 14: 26-33
26How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. 27If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. 29Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 30If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. 32And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”
Now, although this passage contains guidelines on how the early Christians were to use the gift of tongues in church, I think it still gives us an idea of how God wants us to conduct church services
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Keep giving reviews. I enjoy the depth of your insight.
The church that I attend is a homeless church for the most part. Saturday nights is the homeless ministry and then Sunday nights as the regular.. We have an open Cafe where they can shower eat get new clothes and spend the day there from 9:00 a.m. until 6:00 p.m. every Monday Wednesday Friday and Saturday and I couldn't imagine telling them that they needed to dress a certain way wear a certain type of shoes etc all are welcome we are messed up people looking for a savior to help us. I think we have something similar to that on our sign up front a bunch of messed up people wanting a relationship with Jesus Christ. I mean yes it's nice to represent him in a positive way but that could be through the way you treat people etc not necessarily on the proper way to dress especially if you're homeless and you don't have the perfect clothes. I don't know that kind of rubbed me the wrong way a little bit when he said that I do understand where he's going with it but I have to disagree. When you're trying to get people into a church you just want to love them and not make them feel judged. Cuz if you've read the gospels you see that Jesus was always surrounded by the broken and he not only was served but he served others and I think that's the point of what Jesus wants us to do love others as I have loved you serve others, there's so much more but I just wanted to share that. I really love how you break stuff down Melissa and I know I was all over the place with this I'm not even going to edit it which I probably should but nah. LOL hope everyone has a blessed day that reads this
Btw it's in Sarasota Florida called Remnant Church
Jordan’s speaking to a certain person within the church I believe the ones that have money and influence to have reverence for god , everyone is called to a different ministry, feeding the homeless and widows and downtrodden is having reverence for god , plus Jordan always says , I live my life as if god exists . He himself is a baby in his beliefs in Christ, I think a church that feeds the homeless and downtrodden is living the Bible ! And that’s the ultimate reverence for god , he’s definitely an intellectual a doctor of psychology and professor but he loves his fellow man , he’ll have a conversation with the janitor and get more out of that than the guest speaker he interviewed Because they were real and Jordan loves authenticity, Jordan would definitely help out at your church in a heartbeat .
We are a Missional Church also, not quite as big as yours because the church is over 100 years old and we a blessed to have bathrooms. We don't care that they come in old or dirty clothes, we are glad they came to hear the word and have a meal. I remember more than 30 years ago, an elderly man, very thin, wore a very long coat, winter or summer ( probably afraid to take it off cuz someone might steal it.). I served there and brought many of my grandchildren there and he would hold them babies the entire time. We used to have to pry the kids off him so he would eat. The man smelled...but that did not matter to those babies... As grown adults today, I am so proud of their open hearts to help and serve others. They all serve in the medical field in one way or the other...one even in the prison population. But, they are not in the church... they serve but do not attend. Breaks my heart.
@@kennethmeeker6369 i hope you know the difference in your comment about Jordan being 'a baby in his beliefs in Christ' with one being a 'baby Christian'. At one time I was a baby Christian....I had accepted Jesus as Savior. We are waiting, praying for Jordan to come to salvation as well. Not argumentative....just curious about your meaning is all...thanks
@@therealkathytinclerwe all start out hearing and reading of Jesus and believing because of what we hear .( kingdom gospel) and over time are filled with the Holy Spirit ( gospel of grace )
Good review. I've listened to multiple J.P. interviews, reviews, and his own views. IMO, he's openly and transparently struggling through trying to reconcile (by God's design) the connection between his head and heart. He has an amazing gift for head knowledge with a tremendous curiosity to explore the human condition to the end (or his perception of) every associated rabbit trail. It would be amazing to see where he'd be in a few years if a spiritually mature disciple-maker similarly gifted in the ability to communicate with him at his level to come alongside, meet him where he's at and intentionally disciple him in the ways King Jesus teaches us how to love and feed his sheep.
Jordan Peterson isn't trying to be a 'spiritual leaders' - he's trying to teach the men of this world - responsibility -
@@gracelatour3441 I agree with your statement, but I think you're missing my point. What he is eloquently communicating is what many of the big 'C' churches of the West have been doing wrong for many years; teaching [responsibility] through discipleship just as Jesus demonstrated by example when he changed the world with effectively 12 (arguably 11) men. More importantly, there is SO much more to it than just responsibility... Thanks
this was great! i hope i can find more videos like this on your channel! i watch jp's video when it came out but really didn't think deeply about it. i am learning a lot from you and really appreciate the work you did here.
I agree with what you say. I enjoyed watching. You did great off the cuff and 'needing more coffee' lol. I highly respect Jordon Peterson and hope he continues to grow spiritually. Thank you!
I like the video! I think we can learn a lot from Jordan Peterson. In my observation I believe God is working on him & when he truly grasp the reality & Deity of God he’ll be a increasingly powerful messenger! Just my thoughts…God bless thank you for what you do!
Geez JP tell me how you really feel 😂
Exactly what I was thinking
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Great video Melissa, thanks!
I think he was more right than he realized when saying “you’re churches for God’s sake.” The church exists for God’s glory, and any social improvement should be a side effect of us serving God. I wonder what he believes the chief end of man really is?
To glorify god!
I loved watching you react! Jordan Peterson is definitely a very smart man, and he's on the right track for sure...we can pray that he continues to truly seek the Lord. I agree with pretty much everything you said, especially pointing out how the Church's purpose is not to better society, but to spread the live-saving truth of the gospel. By spreading and living out the gospel, we will better society as a side-effect, but that's not the goal. I also think there's a utopia-seeking aspect of Peterson's message that is just as pointless as those on the more progressive side. Our world is broken, and it will not be perfect. We cannot make our world perfect. That is God's job. And we know that He will make a new heaven and a new earth and He will institute righteousness. Whether or not that happens doesn't depend on us--thank the Lord! Again, I appreciate Jordan's call and his point, but I don't think it's even up to the Church to make the world better. It's up to us to make sure the world is saved. And even that is really truly God's job. As long as people are being saved, then that's good, regardless of whether or not the world's societies rise or crumble.
Yeah. Kind of like global warming. We don't need to stop global warming. In fact God is going to melt the elements with fervent heat. We should not be worried to fix all the things in this world we see. The only things that won't be burnt up are the things we don't see. Should we not focus on those things?
Oh my goodness, the first thought I had when I was watching the JP video, was that Melissa needs to review this.
Seeing this video is like having my prayer answered.
Thanks a million.
Yes!! Beliefs absolutely matter!
I'm glad JP has migrated into theism with a passion, but I feel like the direction is going shows he still doesn't have the gospel yet and this is the problem. He's still stuck in worldly ideas and endgame. He is very intelligent but I honestly feel it is to his own disservice many times because he thinks himself into circles. The gospel is unique, simple, objective and provable. That is the message people need, not creating more material results in the material world when they could die tomorrow.
Great talking about children Melissa! 👌👍
I LOVE it when I get to!
@@MelissaDougherty And I would like to hear more about it ;) maybe you can make a video about children and Christianity and Jesus and our society these days...I call myself a feminist and I am really bordered about what children have to deal with when it comes to education and especially religious education (if there is any at all)
Hi Melissa. Thank you for your video. What JP is talking Bout is quite interesting and then your comments on that. Very much food for thought.
Keep it up on making the videos.
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As a Pentecostal pastor, I really like your content, Melissa. We need sound theology and well exegetes scripture-based sermons. I enjoy your style!
I would presume a local church will require new attendees to undergo discipleship training before considering them for a disciples role!? Not every individual is capable of formally discipling another believer.
Once disciples, they are capable of serving others relationally. They can edify and encourage others outside of formal discipleship. Perhaps eventuality developing the confidence to formally disciple someone.
You are a pentecostal pastor who recognizes the need for theology and expository preaching? You sir, are a rarity. I was pentecostal for years, and now I am reformed. God led me out of that stuff. I don't see any scriptural basis for teaching Holy Spirit baptism as seperate from salvation.
@@samuelrosenbalm The Bible is open for interpretation thus the difference in denominations. However, as someone who was first saved and then baptized in the Holy Spirit, I noticed a marked difference in how the Holy Spirit communicates with me from the day He made himself physically known in my body. I literally feel the Spirit moving inside me every day if I just say the word Jesus or I think of Him. I never felt that before the Holy Spirit baptism and wasn’t even sure if I had Him in me.
@@cherokeepurple4480 I feel a moving sense of joy, hope, and peace within my chest at times. Sometimes when I get real still, I can feel a living peace stirring within.. And that came at my Holy Spirit baptism...the very moment I was saved. Some saved people don't feel nothing, though. Feelings are ultimately worthless.
@@samuelrosenbalm I agree some people talk about that peace and some feel nothing. What I’m talking about are physical sensations…not feelings. At first, I thought it was chest pain and I was worried. But now I know it’s the Holy Spirit because ever since that day when my whole body was electrified, I feel a outward pressure not only in my chest but also when the Spirit wants me to speak in tongues, it rises through my neck onto my tongue and lips. Just because some don’t feel these things, it doesn’t make the Holy Spirit baptism invalid for those who do.
I would really love for you to talk more about parenting kids and the spiritual matters that pertain to it. My 4 year old son and 3 year old daughter have so many conversations with us about spiritual and biblical things, and I yearn to witness them in a way that will be understood. One thing I'd especially like to hear your opinion on is when to consider our children believers. My daughter "asked God into her heart" (not something we taught her, she heard it in Sunday school from her beloved elderly friend) and says that she follows Jesus whenever we take communion at church. We just can't tell if she actually understands what that means or is just repeating words to please us and earn a snack. I don't want to deny her salvation though if it is true.
New city catechism songs/app is perfect for your kids at their age. My two boys love the songs and have learned a lot. It’s always a great jumping off point for deep theological discussions in our family. My boys are 3 and 7.
Thank you Melissa. I 100% agree with everything you said. I love & respect both you & Jordan Peterson. We need your voices!
I especially agree that the more 'the world' disparages men the more I want to love & respect & champion them!
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You nailed it! Thanks for the video.😊❤
Thanks, Melissa! I, too, have craved other followers of Jesus to WANT to discuss the Word of God, deeply! I’ve attended organized study groups and I felt so empty and desiring so much more. We basically sat around a table and our facilitator read the prepared questions and people(some) would read their answer. There was little time for deep discussion on any given question from our books. So frustrating! I am discipline myself with the help of you, Jack Hibbs, Jan Markell, JD Farag and Amir Tsfarti, to name a few. I take a book of the Bible and do a study with the Holy Spirit guiding me. But, oh, how this ought not be! I’ve invited friends to come to my home to just read the word of God and discuss it. None have wanted to…crickets! I had one neighbor ask me to meet with her to do just that. It quickly turned into her wanting to use that time to dump her marital problems on me. She had no interest in reading, discussing or studying the word of God. So disheartening! But God! God meets with me every day and we commune as I feed on His Word and ask the Holy Spirit for wisdom and understanding✨✨✨Glory to God!
This is very hard to find I agree. Women “Bible” studies in particular use the words “I feel…” waaaaaay too much. And if you bring up scripture in response to a scriptural question it almost threatens other women. It’s weird. Maybe men have the same prob idk. I’m grateful I hs our tribe, tons of discussion and deep diving scripturally 🙂.
Andy woods does a great job with deep dives, in particular, with prophecy. His Ezekiel series is excellent. As is his revelation series. And I love me some JD Farag prophetic sermons. All of the watchmen that I know watch JD. He is certainly a blessing.
Maybe it's more telling churches to get out of politics and serve their community in the traditional sense.
That's exactly how I took it. 👍🏻
I believe churches need to get out of politics no matter how they rationalize the need. Individual and community needs are being neglected with all the time given to politcs.
Your channel is really good. I appreciate your work❤️ Thank you
Appreciate your work!
Everything you thought and questioned as you listened to him were the things I felt and thought as I listened a couple weeks ago. He is speaking from an unregenerate mind. He thinks deeply and strongly about it, but he really has no spiritual insight because he is still spiritually dead. Without the illumination of the Spirit of Christ, he cannot know the deep things of God no matter how hard he tries. Until he surrenders his intellectual pride and recognizes Christ as LORD of heaven and earth, he cannot know anything about the Church, the Bride and Body of that very LORD. Poor JP. His intellect has continued to shut him out of the very thing he longs to enter into.
I was thinking the same thing. The church is Christ's bride, and you can't talk about (or to) the church unless you have a proper understanding of Christ and HIS role as head of the church.
Jordan Peterson is not speaking to you from a "spiritual perspective" - it's no wonder he's so frustrated at being so misunderstood~ he's talking to you about 'the church' teaching your men responsibilty~
I think you did a great job examining this message JP had for the Christian church and I agree, there were gray areas that needed to be addressed a bit better. While I too appreciate the thoughtful analogies from JP and have followed him for years now, I think he may be preaching a ecumenical gospel. I'm not sure if you've heard his message to Muslims, but if you get a chance, you may see what I'm saying.
All in which sounds loving and good on the surface but we are told to stay on the narrow path. We cannot join forces with the world just because we want peace and safety - if anything, we are warned against that. For Jesus Himself said he came not to bring peace but with a sword- to divide! However, we know His division is a Godly one. One that will keep us on the narrow path and our salvation.
I have that book too. It is A LOT to try to digest 😅 while I do appreciate his big words, if he's trying to meet the masses, he should strive to condense such intense philosophical views to reach those that aren't on that level.
I loved this! I was thinking about you when I watched it the first time 😂
Excellent video. You did an outstanding job. Thank you.
Seems like he is saying that the church is a means to an end, the end being gender justice. I don’t know, the church really exists as established by Jesus for broken people to learn more about who they are in Jesus once they come to Christ. Great video!
"gender justice" - flavour of the month. Something else soon.
Your comments on women's ministry really hit home for me. I am married to a "word nerd" (who loves listening to you) and deep TRUTH seeker/thinker who loves Jesus, but attending the same classes over and over again about how to behave and treat your husband.....they are good but sometimes, there is a need for a bit more scriptural academia (think CS Lewis). Men struggle the same way as well though. It's like (many) churches have just resigned themselves to teaching the basics, a very surface level gospel, and there is no push/desire to go deeper and really GROW disciples. It's disheartening.
Try looking up your local Orthodox Church there is a culture of continual spiritual growth in the Orthodox Church. Christian life is understood as a struggle and a process in the Orthodox Church with the services containing much theology even if there is not a sermon, and sermons mostly focus on the reality of the resurrection. Feel good is not a thing in the Orthodox Church but rather struggle and discipleship, self-denial and change, the spiritual food is meat, not milk once you are ready.
I really hope the man’s eyes are open so that he can SEE and ears so that he can HEAR! I do really like this man!!
That was an awesome video sister! God bless buddy
I would encourage you and all the audience here to go and read the comments section of his video. Also there many Christians who are misunderstanding about what he is saying. You have to come at this from a secular and mostly male perspective to get what he is saying on its full extent. For instance what he meant by telling you g men that it doesn't matter what you believe goes with his point on other discussions where he has told young men that it's not about them. His point is that people shouldn't make their decisions based of a self centered view of the world. Such as the idea of "my truth". That is an idea he has attacked directly. I think that was his point about telling young men it doesn't matter what "they" believe.
Psychology, exploratory sociology and even history is not an adequate window to view the gospel of Jesus Christ filled with faith, truth, justice, repentance, power and the Holy Spirit.
To be a Christian is to connect to Christ and to connect to all things through Christ. Without the head of the church who is Christ there can be no true church.
Jordan Peterson cannot sit on the fence and preach to both sides of the fence. He exasperates me trying to speak about what he does not understand.
I agree with you on each point. Much of what you said are the things that come to my mind as I listen to him as well.
Would loooooooooooooove to see an interview with Dr. Peterson! :)
"The Church" is afraid to preach the Gospel to people who walk into their place of meeting. How is the Church going to go out in the world and preach it.
I don't think churches should be preaching the gospel in the church. Church is for believers. The church needs to go out and preach the gospel.
@@celiasleigh2805 I can guarantee you that no where near half of the people attending Sunday services are born again, baptized by the Holy Spirit followers of Jesus Christ.
I respect Jordan Peterson but he's not a Christian and I take his opinion about the church with a grain of salt because he doesn't have the Holy Spirit so he views and sees things differently than someone that does have the spirit within them. He has a lot of good points that he makes but overall he's not a spirit-filled Christian I think that he's on his way to becoming one based off of videos and seminars that I've seen of him and him breaking down but at this current time he's not. That doesn't make me dislike him in any way I just know that once he does surrender his will and have the spirit within him his view of things will be more in depth and deeper and more powerful for Jesus Christ and for the gospel and sharing it.
This is a good point. I wished I'd elaborated a bit more on how he's speaking from a position of someone of authority, but not in this area.
@@MelissaDougherty honestly you did a really great job with this considering you don't usually like to talk about stuff that you haven't been able to wait and think about and pray about because I'm the same way. After I share my thoughts on something I realized there was so much more that I wanted to share lol. Honestly you could make a part 2 of your thoughts that came after the fact and I would love to watch so I'll keep an eye out on your latest video If you do decide to do that or not. Because you always have great content I'm actually currently watching the one that you interview Christians for your paper and they're actually not Christians lol They don't know anything about the Bible.
We do not know if he gave himself to Jesus. I believe he has, but he is a very young Christian and has to develop as all Christians have to. Some young Christians evangelize from the beginning and some have to wrap their minds around their heart beliefs. Jordan is a thinker first and foremost, but his heart is huge. Give him time, God is working through him as He works thrall of us.
He's not speaking to you from a 'spiritual' perspective - he's speaking to you as a psychologist, a clinician that's seeing men of the world destroying themselves and society as a result of not being responsible -
Well done Melissa!!! So good and TRUE
...and your viewers love you, too!!//oh! Mr. Meme responded? I'll have to watch that. Thx. Idkh I missed it. I'll have to dbl check to make sure I'm still subbed.
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