New sub…. I’m not a tuner and my mechanic is trying to get my car to idle…. Started back firing today so it’s getting towed back but he was talking about this virtual table and it’s something you just can’t set one for all…. I see what he is saying but I’m sending him your way tomorrow! Thanks for sharing your time and knowledge!
Great content brother it’s truly golden. I would really like to know more in depth about how and when to utilize more of the options of controls that are listed under the vehicle controls and special functions tab to help in the tuning process. Gen V 2017 Silverado 6.2
Basically, use this if your engine is not maintaining your set idle, such as an aggressive cam install. The torque or power will increase to maintain the idle rpm. Think of when you turn on your air conditioning, the engine now has increased load on it at idle, so the ecu increases the torque output from the engine to maintain idle from the A/C load.
It would be amazing to see a comparison between your gen 5 idle tuning videos (vs) gen 5 tuning book from the tuning school which costs 499$ because it's so damn expensive and some people just can't afford it I hope you will get a video out concerning this topic soon enough specially since your now sponsored by hp tuners Every newbie Tuner NEEDS This Video So please don't ignore it.
@@GoatRopeGarage yes i have seen all of your videos its very informative pretty much understood it all but tuners lean on these tuning school books so much that I want to see what is actually different from let's say your tuning playlist just for comparison and also it will give alot of newbies tuners an idea about what these books offer .
I'm definitely gonna need your help this is my first ls ...it's a gen 5 lt1 ..never used a tuner in my life ..gonna give it a whirl since I couldn't find anyone who wanted to do a dod delete for me
I’ve watched this a few times prior to today and I don’t have these tables. My 2014 Camaro ss LS3 seems to have a blend of 6th gen and 5th gen on other parameters. But my question to you is why do you have -7 degrees of tuning at idle? I ask this cause before my torq storm super charger was added and I was idle tuning a very large N/A cam the car seemed to like -5 degrees of timing at idle but I was told to run 15 or more. 3 well known shops never were able to tune the idle on my car N/A and that was the only reason I brought it to them. They would tell me they cleaned up WOT tuning and of course it was all jacked up from where I had it and would end up tuning it myself over and over. Your videos have literally been my tuning school for the last 3-4 years!!!!!
I got a question, if you're in park and you blip the throttle in a cammed gen v. When the RPM drops and drops below target idle and runs rough and or even dies. What table fixes the throttle body and a slow closing event?
will virtual torque affect torque converter stalling in a gen 4 , i have a caprice with a l77 and 6l80 2800 stall and when it idles it feels like there is no converter at all .it is up against the brakes all the time
I just got a few test drives in with my genV L83 swap camaro and it actually runs great but it doesn’t idle great it sounds like it has a blower on it surging up and down. It is TSP stage 3 cam DOD deleted. What should I look for first? I’m inexperienced in hp tuners but I am using it, in fact just learned how to change the tire size an gear ratios today, hopefully that makes 1-2 shift a lot better
My truck won't idle and will run rich at low low RPM and will just die after a few kicks,, will this help my e92 gen V, I can send tune files if you need, and an engine spec build.
Why did you pump up your external load tables instead of lowering it down are you runing a cam that's actually efficient at low loads to the point that it makes power on idle?
All cams are different, this was on a stock can but with a blower so there was more air, thus more power, at idle. NA cam setups will usually require less torque
Hey man have you done much tcc adjusting with high stalls , do u no if under Trans and Tcc pressure (apply ramp) would this section need to be bumped up with a aftermarket converter, thanks
Think it's dependent on your convertor as they are all a little different. You can monitor TCC slip on most TCMs, of you're getting some under lockup it might be an indication you need more pressure
Cool man , yeah I got a 2.7 stall seems it’s still thinking it has a stock tcc in it and slips in higher rpm , I will try monitor slip and go from there , would that be the table to adjust and possibly build a histogram off of , thanks man
Loaded question, cams are so different they tune differently but short of the most aggressive ones your can do most tuning without changing much in relation to the cam
Oh, it wasn’t clear that you had added a supercharger, I didn’t catch that that was the mechanical change you made to which you needed the corresponding electronic control change. In this case the supercharger places an additional parasitic load to the engine, both at idle but also proportional to boost, which is linear with rpm. So in this case the external load table would need to be tuned which is supposed to model the viscosity of the oil and accessories and the supercharger, being belt driven, is another accessory it didn’t account for. You would also likely need to do VTT tuning to account for the the sum of the torque produced from boost and the negative torque the supercharger produces when compressing the air. The VTT table is the correct place to model that because it controls for RPM X air flow. I’m looking for tuning for a cam so this was not the correct video for that.
But, what about all that negative timing? Thats what I am seeing as well. Idle is spot on, but all that neg timing seems wrong given how it makes egts super high
I tried moving all 4 of those tables to bring idle timing to 12 or so. All i did was make it run lean. After reteaching maf, righr back to neg timing. So back to stock tables....
ya know, ive tried to follow some of your advice. but honestly, everyone watching is apparently as big of an idiot as me for wasting their time on your junk videos. boy im sure glade i save the master files
@@GoatRopeGarage oh I figured it out, im just trying to figure out if you are intentionally misleading people or if you are absolutely leaving part of your process clean out
@dansutton7748 Gen 5 idle is pretty straight forward, I’ve done plenty of videos showing what to do, even in a live setting connected to a vehicle showing how adjusting virtual torque relates to idle. I’m not sure what you’re missing that everyone else is getting. But I’d love to know so I can let others know in case they aren’t able to figure it out either.
@GoatRopeGarage I know... ive watched. I've actually had to take 3 different profile setups and move them into the hard programs because of the changes made in the virtual. Weird shit
You should do a video on GM Gen-V Ghost cam using torque tables. That would be great.
You are a gentleman and a scholar. Thank you for demystifying the GEN 5 GM stuff.
New sub…. I’m not a tuner and my mechanic is trying to get my car to idle…. Started back firing today so it’s getting towed back but he was talking about this virtual table and it’s something you just can’t set one for all…. I see what he is saying but I’m sending him your way tomorrow! Thanks for sharing your time and knowledge!
I know this is an old series but just wanted to say thanks! These videos have helped me so much with my truck 🙏🏼
Great content brother it’s truly golden. I would really like to know more in depth about how and when to utilize more of the options of controls that are listed under the vehicle controls and special functions tab to help in the tuning process. Gen V 2017 Silverado 6.2
Basically, use this if your engine is not maintaining your set idle, such as an aggressive cam install. The torque or power will increase to maintain the idle rpm. Think of when you turn on your air conditioning, the engine now has increased load on it at idle, so the ecu increases the torque output from the engine to maintain idle from the A/C load.
Oh we'll definitely hit that 100 viewer mark soon on the streams.
It would be amazing to see a comparison between your gen 5 idle tuning videos (vs) gen 5 tuning book from the tuning school which costs 499$ because it's so damn expensive and some people just can't afford it I hope you will get a video out concerning this topic soon enough specially since your now sponsored by hp tuners Every newbie Tuner NEEDS This Video So please don't ignore it.
I've got a whole playlist on gen v
@@GoatRopeGarage yes i have seen all of your videos its very informative pretty much understood it all but tuners lean on these tuning school books so much that I want to see what is actually different from let's say your tuning playlist just for comparison and also it will give alot of newbies tuners an idea about what these books offer .
This video helped so much on my g8 ! It’s a whole other animal !!!
Glad to hear!
I'm definitely gonna need your help this is my first ls ...it's a gen 5 lt1 ..never used a tuner in my life ..gonna give it a whirl since I couldn't find anyone who wanted to do a dod delete for me
Thank you brother
I’ve watched this a few times prior to today and I don’t have these tables. My 2014 Camaro ss LS3 seems to have a blend of 6th gen and 5th gen on other parameters. But my question to you is why do you have -7 degrees of tuning at idle? I ask this cause before my torq storm super charger was added and I was idle tuning a very large N/A cam the car seemed to like -5 degrees of timing at idle but I was told to run 15 or more. 3 well known shops never were able to tune the idle on my car N/A and that was the only reason I brought it to them. They would tell me they cleaned up WOT tuning and of course it was all jacked up from where I had it and would end up tuning it myself over and over. Your videos have literally been my tuning school for the last 3-4 years!!!!!
It's based on the virtual torque tables, try and lower your torque values in just the idle areas and see if the timing comes up
Great video man.
Love your videos bro veryyy helpful
Nice video now do some gen 3 mustang stuff
I second that motion, wait till you see what the ford strategy does
I got a question, if you're in park and you blip the throttle in a cammed gen v. When the RPM drops and drops below target idle and runs rough and or even dies. What table fixes the throttle body and a slow closing event?
will virtual torque affect torque converter stalling in a gen 4 , i have a caprice with a l77 and 6l80 2800 stall and when it idles it feels like there is no converter at all .it is up against the brakes all the time
Im having issues with idle with the ac on coming to a stop. Any ideas
Do you want to have that much negative timing at idle even though it’s at the desired RPM?
Man this look much harder then gen 3/4/5
I’ll have to watch this a few times
Is it as difficult as it looks ?
I just got a few test drives in with my genV L83 swap camaro and it actually runs great but it doesn’t idle great it sounds like it has a blower on it surging up and down. It is TSP stage 3 cam DOD deleted. What should I look for first? I’m inexperienced in hp tuners but I am using it, in fact just learned how to change the tire size an gear ratios today, hopefully that makes 1-2 shift a lot better
Lower that idle torque, too high with the cam
@@GoatRopeGarage ok I’ll look for it thanks for responding
My truck won't idle and will run rich at low low RPM and will just die after a few kicks,, will this help my e92 gen V, I can send tune files if you need, and an engine spec build.
-7* to -17* ignition timing at idle is pretty good?
Why did you pump up your external load tables instead of lowering it down are you runing a cam that's actually efficient at low loads to the point that it makes power on idle?
All cams are different, this was on a stock can but with a blower so there was more air, thus more power, at idle. NA cam setups will usually require less torque
Hey man have you done much tcc adjusting with high stalls , do u no if under Trans and Tcc pressure (apply ramp) would this section need to be bumped up with a aftermarket converter, thanks
Think it's dependent on your convertor as they are all a little different. You can monitor TCC slip on most TCMs, of you're getting some under lockup it might be an indication you need more pressure
Cool man , yeah I got a 2.7 stall seems it’s still thinking it has a stock tcc in it and slips in higher rpm , I will try monitor slip and go from there , would that be the table to adjust and possibly build a histogram off of , thanks man
@@jjk1668 probably don't need a table, just the parameter so you know when it happens
Sweet man thanks for your time
how would this affect camshaft timing? can you do a video specifically on camshaft timing under ideal settings for the Gen V?
Loaded question, cams are so different they tune differently but short of the most aggressive ones your can do most tuning without changing much in relation to the cam
Oh, it wasn’t clear that you had added a supercharger, I didn’t catch that that was the mechanical change you made to which you needed the corresponding electronic control change. In this case the supercharger places an additional parasitic load to the engine, both at idle but also proportional to boost, which is linear with rpm. So in this case the external load table would need to be tuned which is supposed to model the viscosity of the oil and accessories and the supercharger, being belt driven, is another accessory it didn’t account for. You would also likely need to do VTT tuning to account for the the sum of the torque produced from boost and the negative torque the supercharger produces when compressing the air. The VTT table is the correct place to model that because it controls for RPM X air flow. I’m looking for tuning for a cam so this was not the correct video for that.
Kyle, have you purchased the Gen V tuning guide from TuningSchool, Im wondering if its worth it.
I've not, would be interested to see what all it covers
Certainly a hot topic
You aren't concerned about the negative timing at idle?
With as much airflow as I have at idle there isn't much you can do on the torque based setup.
i need more gen 3 help
But, what about all that negative timing? Thats what I am seeing as well. Idle is spot on, but all that neg timing seems wrong given how it makes egts super high
Don't know that that holds true on DI engines
I tried moving all 4 of those tables to bring idle timing to 12 or so. All i did was make it run lean. After reteaching maf, righr back to neg timing. So back to stock tables....
@@str8dum You are going to have to touch on the VTT then as it still thinks you have too much Airflow so it's dropping your timing.
Id guess i need to lower my vtt in the idle area
@@str8dum worth a shot, I've had to do the same
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ya know, ive tried to follow some of your advice. but honestly, everyone watching is apparently as big of an idiot as me for wasting their time on your junk videos. boy im sure glade i save the master files
Stick with it, you’ll figure it out
@@GoatRopeGarage oh I figured it out, im just trying to figure out if you are intentionally misleading people or if you are absolutely leaving part of your process clean out
@dansutton7748 Gen 5 idle is pretty straight forward, I’ve done plenty of videos showing what to do, even in a live setting connected to a vehicle showing how adjusting virtual torque relates to idle. I’m not sure what you’re missing that everyone else is getting. But I’d love to know so I can let others know in case they aren’t able to figure it out either.
@GoatRopeGarage I know... ive watched. I've actually had to take 3 different profile setups and move them into the hard programs because of the changes made in the virtual. Weird shit
Even more weird.... its JUST a btr 220.... pretty simple if you ask me