It's because it gets them engagement/views. That's the only reason people say stupid sh*t. This is all on purpose. They don't even believe half the sh*t they say. Nick Wright, Cowherd, Perkins, Gilbert "racist" Arenas. All of them, liars.
MJ just released a whole TV series to propagandize his career. He did that because of all the glory LBJ was getting. Notice he wasn't hurt until he was being replaced by fans who witnessed Lebron's greatness.
@@stonebanton7716 Wait, if The Last Dance is a TV series to "propagandize" his career, what do we call sports media today who's paid to only say nice things about Lebron James, and now his kid too? What about the media MVP voters that got emails from Klutch Sports to vote for Lebron? Let's not forget about Lebron crying to the media to get Draymond Green suspended for the 2016 finals, you thought people forgot? Let's not forget about Harrison Barnes in the 2016 playoffs run, as well as how the refs allowed the Cavs to play very physical on Steph (scratches all over his arms), but called any ticky tack fouls for the Cavs. This is for the real ones who watched the 2016 series. NBA was trying their hardest to extend that series.
I don’t need anybody’s opinion on how great MJ was. I lived in Chicago. I watched this man play. There had never been anyone like him, and there hasn’t been since. There have been some close seconds (Kobe) and some new originals (Curry) but Jordan’s career was a literal story book. And it’s almost all on film. He’s the one guy who you never get tired of watching.
Kobe was not a close second. He was a poor man Jordan. Kobe's career(the last 5-6 years) at the end was painful to watch and people nowadays seem to just give him all the undeserved credit due to his tragic passing. Penny was more talented and well rounded coming in the league and we never saw him peaked due to injury. Same with Grant Hill that's far more promising as a young player than the current crops of so called superstar. But for the most part I agree with you ( not that you care and I respect that).
The fact that these lebron fans are questioning jordans career let's you know they are running out of excuses. From the competition, to he couldn't go left or the entire era he played in was watered down. Pathetic!!!!
@anthonystevenson830 here's the common denominator of all of this and it's kobe bryant and here's why last time I checked when LeBron james couldn't get it done in the 2006 fiba world cup and they lost to Greece who colangelo call to save team usa? Kobe bryant. from 07-08 to 10-11 they was the first real goat debate between LeBron vs kobe right yeah LeBron james won multiple league mvp and during that time he put up better number but who led their team further then the other with less help? Didn't kobe beat the teams that LeBron james lost to? especially when the cavs were favored to go to the finals. I never thought he was better than kobe let alone jordan
@jimmycharlotin7050 when kobe saved lebron in the Olympics and beat that same boston that ran lebron out Cleveland for kobe to win his 5th ring proved who was the better player.
@anthonystevenson830 exactly bro you know embarrassing it is when people you won championships in your such as Kyrie irving, Kevin love and Chris bosh has high praise for kobe than LeBron james? Kevin love said I'm taking kobe over LeBron simply because whenever kobe bryant came to Minnesota tickets sold out in minutes, but you tell Shannon sharpe or nick that statement they'll deny it
Why is it so difficult for this new generation to understand that MJ was a damn generational talent that was leaps and bounds ahead of the times. Every generation has an athlete like that in sports. Gretzky, Bonds, Messi, Ronaldo, Tyson, Mayweather, etc. These athletes pathed the way for the next generation, I'm so sick of the slander.
For nick Wright it's because he wouldn't have a career if not for gassing up lbj and slandering mj. Unfortunately that's how many pundits get their work. The formula is have one pundit support the mj and the truth and the other be ridiculous to make the fringe casuals more interested and piss off real fans. Young fans tend to be very ignorant and they want to belive they are seeing the best ever
They have been told that athletes evolve and are getting better all the time, so it's understandable that they wouldn't be willing to accept that a previous great could compare to their current generation great.
@craigjohnston5781 I feel like anyone who took biology at any phase should understand that evolution doesn't happen to a species in like 30 years. Unless it's life cycle is very very very short
@mysteriouspartyguy lol, basically. That and everyone from major networks to YT content creators regurgitate the same tired lines "bigger, stronger, faster" and "today's players are more skilled than ever". Despite neither of those claims being backed by any kind of facts or evidence.
@@ricardolozano5356Its better to accumulate a 40% winning percentage on the gms largest stage by being swept / gentlemen multiple times with HOF talent... than accumulating an 100% win percentage ONLY in the form of 3-peats... without a single gm7... LeBrons 🥩 munchers have the IQ of a rock 😂
All I’ll say is Jordan had the highest viewership and LeBron had the lowest viewership. There is absolutely no excuses for the 2020 finals to average less than 8 million viewers per game. It’s sad they couldn’t even get to 10 million viewers on average
Never let the fact that there was only a few channels then, no social media, no youtube, no streaming. If you wanted to watch live sports, you only had one choice. If you wanted to watch TV, you had very few choices. Just think, not too much earlier than when Jordan came about, Happy Days was averaging 60 million viewers.
@@davidbergerson bro stop it lol, I’ve seen this argument dozens of times and it doesn’t hold water. People aren’t actually watching LeBron’s games on these platforms and it’s not being accounted for. They are going on social media and TH-cam to watch a 5 minute highlight reel, check stats, and see their favorite talking head calling him the goat. Lebron is king of the casuals that don’t watch full games or appreciate/understand the game.
LeTrash James is what happened to the game of basketball! Him and his cronnies destroyed the love of the game and made it a damn soap opera about an unskilled steroids using pos basketball player
Right? Yet today's players that are SO superior aren't even close to Stockton's record - which by today's standards would probably be closer to 20k than 16k!
Dude watch the games! Not highlights and interviews of 90s players. I’ve seen games in the 90s and its so fucking overrated especially defensively. Its not even close on what the players and the fans been saying😂
@@TheInternationalJew-vn4bn bro the difference is the players ability to shoot not defense.😂 back then only shooting guards and centers are the primary scorers that explains the average score you’re arguing🤣Defense has always been the same. Same schemes same coverage someone can argue that defensive schemes now is better cos its a positionless game and everyone can guard. the league may have changed the officiating but the changes they’ve made during MJs era is much more than 2000s til date. Let’s be honest, NBA favored MJ, even 80s players said so. Let me say this again. Watch full games and tell me aim wrong 🤣
@@rapmolina3768 I used to watch when i was a kid then when my kid turned into 8 we started to watch again from the 1984 playoffs (not only Bulls' games) now he is almost 13 and just finished 1998. We simultaneously watched the 2019-2024 playoffs aswell. It is fkn easy to see that from 1984-1998 the defense was way tougher!!! It is just so fkn obvious that it is not even a comparison. Today is just almost nonexisting comparing to the 80s and 90s not because players dont want to defend, rather the refs doesnt let them do anything what they could have done in previous eras, while in the same time they let all the players get away with travels, carries, and many offensive faults, gathering steps also gave them a legal 3rd step but they many times let them do even 4-5 steps without punishing them. You have to be a highly hypocrite person to deny these facts. And when you say "Dude watch the games!" I am sure already that actually you are the one who didnt watch those games. And i am pretty sure you only watched highlights about the 80s-90s in which they cherrypicked some pretty rare situations when there were no defense, and you believed those were common things. In short: YOU start to watch the 90s games!!!
BrianHarron Let’s check your comment history. Full of whining and complaining at others for dropping facts about your false king, flop king, turnover king, most all star teammates played with (at least 75) and traded (at least 70) king, most coaches fired king (11) and Diddy party king. About 3,000 or so comments in about a year?? That’s what’s sad and pathetic. You’re probably a Nick Wrong burner account.
@Iceman24424 They soft and weak minded. They get triggered easy and go on weak rants on social media. its all the mindset and privilidge now thats runining these kids Likeness and entitlement
I haven’t even see Mike “live”.. as the NBA wasn’t possible for us (my household) to watch back then.. I was introduced to Basketball trough a friend of my father who lived in the US, he would sent videotapes 📼 to us.. didn’t even knew what basketball was at the age of 10/11.. it looked cool tho.. even then, with my lack of knowledge on the game.. I could feel and sense.. there was something different about this guy. The only reason why I wanted to visit the states was to see him ball out “live”. Unfortunately.. never happened.
That 80's vs. 20's montage on assists indirectly showed how padded this era is. Some of of those assists from today I was legit thinking "in what universe is that an assist?"
Nobody creats mythlogy for him. The media creates mythology for the new players to somehow be in the conversation. Jordan was so great that these kids have mistaken his actual accomplishments for the myths they use on the daily to prop up these weak super stars.
Lebron got shut down by Shawn Marion and Jason Terry from the Dallas mavericks? Really? No one on earth can say that they shut down Jordan! In fact, they feared Jordan!
This was so necessary. Ive told people for years that the highlights are great but go back and watch a full game of him playing so you can see the makes the misses and all the highlights that got over shadowed. there's soooo much more that people have never seen. Side note: that assistant rule now is wild when you see it like this. lol Great work with the start of this series.
Obviously he was going to miss shots or lose balls, but that does not detract from his greatness, because if we are going to look for mistakes, Lebron has plenty of them HAHAGAHA
Jordan has something Lebron can never have, a dynasty. Jordan joined a team that had never won a title and gave them 6. Lebron has never done anything even close to that. Forget that if MJs dad hadn’t been murdered odds are good that the bulls would have ruled most of a decade lol.
Plus, Jordan made it possible for players to get paid what they do. Also, don't forget his (and his mom's) instrumental role in signature shoe deals. Everyone wanted to be like Mike; I doubt many want to be le flop.
When defenders argue "Ratings/viewership is lower because there's more things to watch nowadays" I always respond with "In other words, people would rather watch Mr Beast videos than LeBron James playing basketball" 😆
All of the 7 lowest NBA Finals viewership ratings have come since Lebron entered the league... 2 of which involved Lebron. The top 9 highest-rated NBA Finals took place during Jordan's career, and all of the top 4 involved Jordan. Nuff said!
@@jordanjenkins1671facts lmaoooo it’s such a weak add argument. Aka, Lebron is the king of the casuals that read box scores and listen to opinionated podcasts about him…..not real hoops fans that watch full games and actually understand the sport and its beauty lmao
NBA Finals game occurred during the 2016 series between the Cleveland Cavaliers and the Golden State Warriors. Game 7, which took place on June 19, 2016, garnered an impressive 31 million viewers.
Its always interesting to think how strict traveling and carrying the ball was back then and hand checking was allowed. if the game was called like that today..players wouldnt seem so "skilled"..would they? 😂 theyd be literally forced to play by the rules and would restrict so much unnecessary ball handling, cuz coaches would bench people if they start getting all these turnovers.
The traveling was strict by today’s standards but watching that old footage it didn’t look strict to me at all, then again I just don’t pay attention to modern ball. The other thing that was crazy in these clips is what they consider assists these days, it looks harder to not get an assist now.
The current generation of fans, sports analysts, and pseudo-experts actively celebrates mediocrity. People consider players like Embid, Harden, and Paul George elite when arguments downplay the significance of winning championships. A recent video on Kobe Bryant highlights my point, showing how LeBron James froze against Dallas in 2011. While no one denies Jordan’s flaws, the current generation dismisses James flaws. So, it's no surprise that mediocrity is being celebrated.
I don't listen 👂🏾 to LeBrons mouth 👄 pieces.Its easy to tell his telling them some of that B.S to say.Lebrons career is built on the back of superteams and the lemedia and the league helping him.And it's not hard to see that.
You are rapidly becoming the best basketball TH-camr my friend, the level of detail placed into extracting moments from historical footage is unprecedented. Finally these young whippersnappers can hear the commentators and see some of the random plays that aren't normally included in highlight reels
Thank you Uncut. Nothing like seeing actual video for proof and hearing the announcers point out different zones and defensive looks. I argue with some people that they DID use the zone back then more often than you think. They got to stop listening to Nick wrong, colon cowherd and others.
It's Nick "Klutch me Harder LeBron" Wrong. Nick is allowed to believe LeBron is the GOAT. I'm not one who gets offended that someone thinks LeBron is the GOAT. I don't but fine. Nick's insane fixation on destroying and diminishing MJ at every turn makes him disgusting. Skip Bayless goes way overboard about LeBron but he's a troll. Nick has many good takes but when it comes to LeBron vs MJ he becomes less sports commentator and more boo defending her baby daddy. Dude literally brought in high school and college accolades to push MJ to 3rd on his top NBA list that by any metric justifies ZKarerm at #1 but removed that criteria so LeBron didn't also have to be judged by them. Not to mention he literally has some nasty dig at MJ even we hen it's completely uncalled for.
We need the Murrow doctrine back. Media can be heavily fined, and even lose their licence to broadcast by law if they compromise journalistic integrity, mislead their audience willfully, or outright lie and push conspiracy theory/psy op bullshit. Dick Nose has done all 3 simply via the fake Latvian bootleg footage. Whatever happened to that?? It disappeared like Hunter Biden’s 6,527 laptops the Republicans could never find.
Jordan is the only person where the hard you look into his game the better he looks... Lebron has to make it a media fight using political tactics in order to be in the conversation becuase his resume isn't adding up
Fake DPOY? Lead the league in steals per game with 3.2!, 1.6 blocks per game as a guard, 2nd in the league with 6.1 DWS, and lead the league in DBPM with 4.2. Meanwhile, Lebron only broke 2 steals per game once in his career, most blocks per game was 1.1 as a 6’9” player, only broke 3 DBPM once in his career with 3.7. He did have a 6.5 DWS season.
The fake DPOY bull crap is just that fake Latvian bootleg footage, that mysteriously vanished. The Latvian guy was probably just Dick Nose in disguise with a bad Russian accent because Dick Nose is to preoccupied slobbing LeKnob that he doesn’t know a damn thing about Latvia.
I would love to see someone become the new greatest of all time. But it needs to be earned. No one has come close to earning that title over the goat that is MJ
@@d.columbia9603 I'm not sure we'll ever see his like again. Lots of players, before and since, have similar talents and skills. Some might even possess the drive and determination, but I can't think of anyone, outside of maybe Kobe, who shared MJ's obsession to be the best at all costs.
Theoretically it should happen, but the fact he was such a beast, and STILL, by far, the greatest single player to watch in awe. NBA players are meant to do things us regular folk can't, Mj did stuff that blew our minds. So they will have to do a much better eye test than LeBron, have the Mj killer in them, just win win win, even when you lose, like the 63 point game🤣 And then a 1000 other requirements 🥵🥵 Yeah, in theory it's even looking impossible 🤔😁
That assist section gave me an aneurism wtf are we doing counting them jawns nowadays as an assist. AOH said it best: “if we’re counting those as assists, you might as well give an assist to whoever invented dribbling”
I don't see a lot of difference between those 80's players and players today, you'd expect a huge difference the way some guys talk about those old skool players not being skilled. If anything you had to be more skilled with how strict the rules were. That's why Jordan's footwork was so great, you'd think the average player today would have that kinda footwork but it's not the case
Modern day NBA allows players to travel and carry the ball. There is 3 second rule in the paint as well. 80's and 90's basketball was more difficult and clearly a different game than today's NBA.
Yas! Now THIS is what I’m talking about! Thank you @Uncut Hoops! You are doing a long overdue, quintessentially necessary service, not only took your country but to the entire planet - hell, GALAXY - with this 12 part Jordan Files series. Leave NO stone unturned my man. God bless you Uncut Hoops; you are a gentleman and a scholar.
That 80s and 90s had the most centers... Kareem Shaq Ewing Moses Daugherty Zo Mourning Parish Olajuwon Robinson Mutombo Smits And im leaving out a few names!!
Also when 7 Footers started playing PF. They were really C's but the League ws Stacked with 7 Footers that every PF was also a C. Guys like Webber who was 6'10 270 Sampson Garnet 7' Dirk Nowitzki 7' Gasol McHale was 6'11 with a 7'6 Wingspan James Edwards 7'0 Duncan
I think the game of basketball is so great because willpower and killer instinct are just as important if not more so than just skills. I personally think 80's teams would kill modern teams because they had so much damn heart and it tied in with the physicality of the game. I've seen most of the all time stars today collapse under pressure, just imagine how 80's players would mentally and physically dominate these guys today.
Thank you SmokeDog! As many have said, it really depends upon whose rules they played under... But assuming you try to neutralize that by allowing some mix of both with each side allowed time to train and adjust.... I'd LOVE to get some coaches/players responses to how players' fundamentals, skills and discipline would impact the results of 80s/90s players vs modern players matchup. Today, we can barely beat the rest of the world, and all the NBA's best players develop and train elsewhere around the globe. Modern players never get the critical college experience old school players all received to learn fundamentals. Where would Jordan have been without the fundamentals and work ethic he developed at UNC? Are we seeing that player today in someone like Anthony Edwards? I think we've seen, especially on defense, old school players would more than hold their own (what could LeBron do against Pippen and Rodman all night?)... Some modern bigs have grown up playing outside the post, and would create matchup problems. But no one today could defend Shaq or Hakeem. Modern players do have some advanced training and nutrition that would impact careers (how long could Larry Joe have played?), but not peak players' in an individual game, or playoff series...
Great work. I was an 18yo Chicagoan when this series aired. And their '93 Playoff run paid the rent at the Lincoln Park restaurant (Sedgwick's) I'd just opened that Spring (I can still hear the deafening roar of the crowd when Paxson sank the gm6 jumper to win the series). I lived this and watched every one of these games live. And while the change in traveling rules I am painfully aware of, as it has made the modern game almost unwatchable for me (it's hard to enjoy a game when every drive looks like traveling or carrying, by 80s standards). I had no idea how much they'd changed the assist rules - until I watched your analysis. Thank you. (how badly do we have to get our butts kicked internationally, before we stop adjusting the rules to make the modern game easier?) To have someone creating this content, in whom we can entrust the history and legacy of what we experienced is gratefully appreciated! 🙏 I can't wait for your coverage of the Celtics "god" series in '86, or their 15-2 run in '91!!!
Jordan is the most double-teamed player in history except for possibly Shaq in his prime. What kids today don't understand is that this type of swarming, hard trap defense took the ball out of players' hands, preventing star players from putting up numbers. Today when teams try this, they just call a foul on the defense if the trap is even half as aggressive as some of the ones in this video. Thus the offensive player gets to the line, puts up more points, and this also discourages continued trapping.
THEY!!! Opened the pandora’s box trying to delegitimize MJ… Of course I enjoyed it…you’re exposing the standard, when you go at THEM the same way they go at Jordan. Am gonna stay tuned. Great job man, keep going 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Brilliant brilliant point about what counts as an assist in the 80s and now. That’s great analysis!!! I’ve watched games today where a player receives a pass, pauses for seconds, get into his move, and then scores and the passer gets an assist (NO WAY THAT IS AN ASSIST!!!!!!)
Lmao "it's as if he never missed a shot" smh how appropriate because MJ was the most ruthlessly machine like consistent competitor in all of sports and is probably a major reason any of these talking heads even have a job. I have never seen anyone ever come close to MJ in his ability to consistently perform at the highest level especially when it matters most. And just objectively that comment is so massively stupid like MJ averaged 50% from the field for his career so its quite obviously he missed exactly 50% of his shots which is in fact elite for a shooting guard who is scoring 30ppg for his career. Colin Cowface is the worst analyst on earth literally. If you didn't actually watch MJ's entire career you really don't have room to speak.
We all here the career stats argument, yet never about MJ played 3 years in college winning a natty. Plus 2 years first retirement and 3 more before being a Wizard. So thats 8 years worth of career stats lost. Then you look at averages against peers at thier position MJ is mainly top 3 in most Bron isnt. Bron is a much larger man plays closer to the basket yet has never averaged 10 RPG a season His calling card is acknowledged as being a passer still never 10 APG a season. He plays in an era where scoring is up by 15 to 20 PPG, with just 1 scoring champ. On defense hes had probably 5 seasons you could say he was elite. Mike had 10 scoring champs when scoring was in the 90's for a game. Scored more in an era where defense was played harder and scoring was lower. Just things to consider before having a debate on who's the GOAT. Then you have to consider is Bron even in the conversation? Yes he's a damn good player, just lacks those jaw dropping moments on a consistent basis. 6 guys I'd say are in this conversation. 1. W. Chamberlain 2. Kareem 3. L. Bird 4. M. Johnson 5. M. Jordan 6. K. Bryant Possibly G Hill and D Rose if injurieshadn't robbed them of thier athleticism To me Bron is a shorter version of Shaq. Both are above average, imagine if they had the drive of the other men above to improve and hone their game from day 1 to the end of their career what we could be saying. I feel both had more to give than playing bully ball
A supremely athletic 6’6 guard with a hang time measured in hours… coupled with 3 years of superb coaching at UNC and then with Phil Jackson was flat out unstoppable. But his biggest advantages, especially shooting… were his (very soft) hands the size of a catcher’s mitt. Simply the best player to ever lace them up.
Great video! I'm glad someone finally talked about and shown what's considered an assist now compared to back then. And also glad the zone defense back then was brought up too.
The Chief Robert Parrish who played with MJ during his mythic 1996 Season has been taking shots at him saying his Airness couldn't surpass Bird's Celtics, Thomas' Pistons and Magic's Lakers during the 80's, hence he shouldn't be considered the GOAT: 1. Bird's Celtics had three Hall of Famers, and one finals MVP during 1979 at DJ Johnson, plus another Hall of famer coming from the bench at Bill Walton. 2. Thomas' Pistons had three Hall of Famers, and still were beaten by Jordan during the 1991 ECFS( it's BS they were passed their primes), Thomas was 30, Dumars 28, and Rodman around 30. 3. The Lakers had three Hall of Famers. Jordan had no help during the 80's, and Pippen picked during the 1991 Season. IGNORANCE IS DARING....ANONYMOUS, And the living proof goes to Robert Parrish, Jordan wasn't the greatest teammate due to his competiveness? Hell Yes, But I guess why he won so many titles during his illustrious career.
@@algladyou it comes to show you that if B.S was a valuable item in Supermarkets, it would run out quickly because the majority of people would buy it.
Pippen was drafted in 1987 from an NAIA school (like D3) and required alot of development. But Parrish was right. Jordan never beat Bird's Celtics teams in the playoffs (ever), and it took 4 (yes, 4!) very painful years to get past the Pistons. To "the Chief's" credit, he has stated on more than one occasion MJ was the GOAT. And Bird is the one, as the reigning back2back league MVP in 1986, that said MJ was "god disguised as a basketball player".
Thanks for posting the video to expose all these lies. I always tell people if you actually watch the games, one will notice defenses commonly doubled, trapped, & played zone in the 80s & 90s. The key was that a player had to keep moving unless get whistled for illegal defense. Secondly, it also proves how rule changes over time makes the game easier - for example the assists & traveling. Today most assists aren't really assists, but it looks good on the stat sheet. That doesn't really bother me, but the traveling is insane.
Beautiful video! Specially illustrating the difference in assists, something that’s often forgotten. I loved that you didn’t just talk about it, but showed us exact examples of how the definition of an assist has changed to fit the inflated stats era. I also applaud you for highlighting the zone and traps he faced. Yet, another myth dispelled. I do have one request: Can you focus on how handchecking and other physical play affects a player? There’s some exaggeration from our side which warps expectations in regards to physical play. We can give the perception that it was a wrestling match 99% of the time, which idiots then pick apart with a fine comb detailing how it wasn’t every play. I believe that does a disservice to the actual physical aspects which are mostly subtle and hidden. There’s tons of grabbing to keep the player from getting the ball which go unnoticed. There’s hard screens set that are often offensive fouls, with players being hit with elbows, hip checks and should bumps that are hidden. Then there’s the misunderstanding of how effective hand checking actually is. People believe that hand checking will automatically stop an offensive player dead on their tracks, but that’s another misinterpretation by our era. It does NOT stop a player 100% of the time. But it does do a few things: 1. A hand checking is effective at guiding a player into a trap, or forcing them into a difficult situation. 2. A hand checking keeps the offensive player from getting into an offensive rhythm, specially useful for taking away an offensive player’s dribbling. Which is why modern day handles weren’t that common back then, specially for taller players. It’s simply harder to dribble when you have no space and there’s a hand in your waist keeping you from getting a rhythm. 3. Perhaps the most vital aspect is: it’s not a foul! It gives the defence an additional advantage specially compared to today’s era. If I’m allowed to touch you without a foul, it gives the defender more options and freedom to redirect you or force you into their game plan. Today, the defence is at the mercy of the offensive player. The offensive player can dictate what they can and want to do if the defender can’t touch you. It allows them to set up their offence without opposition. Sorry for the long post, hopefully you’re able to read this and address some (if not all) in your future vids.
@Uncut Hoops What you are doing for basketball, Jordan, his legacy, and future generations, is prolific. I have the utmost respect for you, and appreciation too. Thank you so much for all your dedication, meticulous attention to detail, resilience and excellence. Highly commend you for your courage to stand up, speak out, and refute the false narratives with irrefutable proof. Kudos!
Guys who even played old MJ like Ron Artest said he was still a problem. Ron /Metta was one of the best defenders of the 2000s and MJ averaged around 23 ppg at 40, shooting very few 3s in the dead ball era on Ron. This notion MJ was just a flash in the pan 80s player is silly. They couldn’t stop prime MJ in 1984, 1994, 2004 or even 2024. There is no era of NBA basketball he couldn’t dominate. He shot the 3 ball well enough to keep you honest and he didn’t obsessively work on it. I think Wilt Chamberlain would be completely unstoppable now, even with only a decent middy. Who’s going to stop him down low? Gobert, Wemby, Jokic, Embiid.
ArenASS is absolutely nuts. 2010's and 2020's are weak defensively and the player's jack up threes, don't post up, don't have a mid-range, don't box out and have legit rebounding, and don't run plays.
@scott783 its because they dont need to, due to 2 defensive rule changes. 1. No hand checking, this means players can see the whole court easily, it opens up passing lanes and allows guys to dribble for longer before making a move. In the 80's/90's its 1 or 2 dribbles make a move off a picknroll, or move the ball, while you are backing in. Today guys are front on, easier to pass or get range on a jumper as there is more space to do so. 2. 4 second rule in the lane. Guys have to constantly rotate out of the lane. Good ball handlers will target a player wait for the rotation then attack the lane. Defense cant stop it or they get hit with a 4 second violation. Just my thoughts
The only reason why these kids pick LeBron over Jordan is because THEY NEVER GOT TO SEE JORDAN PLAY LIKE THEY SEE LEBRON PLAYING NOW ON TV OR IN PERSON. If Jordan were playing now, I am 100% certain these kids would choose MJ.
I am NOT a Bulls fan. I WAS NOT a Bulls fan...I was not a Jordan fan, but I recognize greatness... LeBron is NOT great... At his height and weight and with the two minimal abilities he has (running and jumping) and the one VERY MINIMAL SKILL he has dribbling (for as tall as he is), he should have ACTUALLY dominated the NBA... If he had HALF the dawg that Jordan, Kobe or even Curry have, he would have for 10-0 in the Finals, gotten MULTIPLE DPOY awards, played 82 games more than just once in his career, as opposed to LOAD MANAGING all the time...I could go on and on... Jordan was, during his prime playing days, 55 pounds less than LeBron and 3 inches shorter... Played in a MUCH TOUGHER NBA (by the way, any idiot that asserts how today's NBA is tougher, can NEVER explain how it's tougher!). Jordan played 82 games (a full season) 9 TIMES in his career! That's Stockton did this 16 times. AC Green did 14 times, K. Malone & Randy Smith did it 10 times and Jordan is tied for 4th place, having played 82 games NINE times... And, of all top 10 players, Jordan has the MOST 82 game seasons in history... LeBron, once again, is larger and stronger than Jordan and Stockton and plays in a softer era of the NBA and yet, he could only manage to accomplish this feat ONCE? Even Earl Boykins, 5'5" 135 managed that!
Underneath the surface of all the stats and analysis is the fact that the NBA is sports entertainment. Michael Jordan was and still to this day the most flyest looking game, dramatic shot making, superhero status in Chicago, supervillain to all others , most entertaining player I can ever think of. You never lost money on him if you bet on the finals. He lived up to all the hype.
Great video! Also interesting to note in the Bucks series, the Bulls were +10 in 192 minutes with Jordan on the court and -32 in 21 minutes with Jordan off the court.
the concerted/collective effort to slander jordan over the past few years is both fascinating and pathetic...
It's because it gets them engagement/views. That's the only reason people say stupid sh*t. This is all on purpose. They don't even believe half the sh*t they say. Nick Wright, Cowherd, Perkins, Gilbert "racist" Arenas. All of them, liars.
I feel it's a narrative being pushed; kind of like how certain historical facts have been fabricated.
It's wild. They're doing it while wearing his brand too lol
Quit riding
You deserve every bit.
The most beautiful part about this attack on MJ and the older generation is MJ hasn't felt the need to defend any of it lol. When you know, you know!
Great point!
LeBron craves the praise. For a billionaire it's a bit sad.
MJ just released a whole TV series to propagandize his career. He did that because of all the glory LBJ was getting. Notice he wasn't hurt until he was being replaced by fans who witnessed Lebron's greatness.
The most pathetic part about the slander is that they told blatant lie acting like there will be no footage of it like its some sort of 50s 😂
@@niceguy2192 can you tell me what the clown above you is talking about? Lol
@@stonebanton7716 Wait, if The Last Dance is a TV series to "propagandize" his career, what do we call sports media today who's paid to only say nice things about Lebron James, and now his kid too? What about the media MVP voters that got emails from Klutch Sports to vote for Lebron? Let's not forget about Lebron crying to the media to get Draymond Green suspended for the 2016 finals, you thought people forgot? Let's not forget about Harrison Barnes in the 2016 playoffs run, as well as how the refs allowed the Cavs to play very physical on Steph (scratches all over his arms), but called any ticky tack fouls for the Cavs.
This is for the real ones who watched the 2016 series. NBA was trying their hardest to extend that series.
If MJ DPOY award fugazi that means Lebron's entire piece of crap career is fugazi!
I don’t need anybody’s opinion on how great MJ was. I lived in Chicago. I watched this man play. There had never been anyone like him, and there hasn’t been since. There have been some close seconds (Kobe) and some new originals (Curry) but Jordan’s career was a literal story book. And it’s almost all on film. He’s the one guy who you never get tired of watching.
No lies told here!!!! Preach!!!
Same here
Yeah you watched basketball…this is exactly true about everyone mentioned.
Kobe was not a close second. He was a poor man Jordan. Kobe's career(the last 5-6 years) at the end was painful to watch and people nowadays seem to just give him all the undeserved credit due to his tragic passing.
Penny was more talented and well rounded coming in the league and we never saw him peaked due to injury. Same with Grant Hill that's far more promising as a young player than the current crops of so called superstar.
But for the most part I agree with you ( not that you care and I respect that).
Thank you!
The fact they feel the need to bring him down tells you he's the GOAT.
exactly
means they know no one that THEY have seen can reach that height
The fact that these lebron fans are questioning jordans career let's you know they are running out of excuses. From the competition, to he couldn't go left or the entire era he played in was watered down. Pathetic!!!!
It's over for me as far as this stupid goat debate
@@jimmycharlotin7050 it was over when lebron decided to leave Cleveland to Miami.
@anthonystevenson830 here's the common denominator of all of this and it's kobe bryant and here's why last time I checked when LeBron james couldn't get it done in the 2006 fiba world cup and they lost to Greece who colangelo call to save team usa? Kobe bryant. from 07-08 to 10-11 they was the first real goat debate between LeBron vs kobe right yeah LeBron james won multiple league mvp and during that time he put up better number but who led their team further then the other with less help? Didn't kobe beat the teams that LeBron james lost to? especially when the cavs were favored to go to the finals. I never thought he was better than kobe let alone jordan
@jimmycharlotin7050 when kobe saved lebron in the Olympics and beat that same boston that ran lebron out Cleveland for kobe to win his 5th ring proved who was the better player.
@anthonystevenson830 exactly bro you know embarrassing it is when people you won championships in your such as Kyrie irving, Kevin love and Chris bosh has high praise for kobe than LeBron james? Kevin love said I'm taking kobe over LeBron simply because whenever kobe bryant came to Minnesota tickets sold out in minutes, but you tell Shannon sharpe or nick that statement they'll deny it
Why is it so difficult for this new generation to understand that MJ was a damn generational talent that was leaps and bounds ahead of the times. Every generation has an athlete like that in sports. Gretzky, Bonds, Messi, Ronaldo, Tyson, Mayweather, etc. These athletes pathed the way for the next generation, I'm so sick of the slander.
For nick Wright it's because he wouldn't have a career if not for gassing up lbj and slandering mj. Unfortunately that's how many pundits get their work. The formula is have one pundit support the mj and the truth and the other be ridiculous to make the fringe casuals more interested and piss off real fans. Young fans tend to be very ignorant and they want to belive they are seeing the best ever
They have been told that athletes evolve and are getting better all the time, so it's understandable that they wouldn't be willing to accept that a previous great could compare to their current generation great.
@craigjohnston5781 I feel like anyone who took biology at any phase should understand that evolution doesn't happen to a species in like 30 years. Unless it's life cycle is very very very short
Cuz they watched X-men and thought evolution has already happened and athletes been hiding their abilities until now
@mysteriouspartyguy lol, basically. That and everyone from major networks to YT content creators regurgitate the same tired lines "bigger, stronger, faster" and "today's players are more skilled than ever". Despite neither of those claims being backed by any kind of facts or evidence.
Jordan is the GOAT by far!!🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐
That lie is in jeopardy
And who's the truth? Lebozo aka LeFraudking? The king of flops, whiners and Mvp robbing?
@esllorin84 jord whole career was fraudulent the 90's were watered-down so Jordan can win especially playing players like Jeff hornacek and Craig ehlo
@@esllorin84it's better to lose in the finals 6 time's
@@ricardolozano5356Its better to accumulate a 40% winning percentage on the gms largest stage by being swept / gentlemen multiple times with HOF talent... than accumulating an 100% win percentage ONLY in the form of 3-peats... without a single gm7...
LeBrons 🥩 munchers have the IQ of a rock 😂
All I’ll say is Jordan had the highest viewership and LeBron had the lowest viewership. There is absolutely no excuses for the 2020 finals to average less than 8 million viewers per game.
It’s sad they couldn’t even get to 10 million viewers on average
Space Jam...LeSpace Jam 2
Especially with Covid being a thing and people being on lockdown.
Never let the fact that there was only a few channels then, no social media, no youtube, no streaming. If you wanted to watch live sports, you only had one choice. If you wanted to watch TV, you had very few choices. Just think, not too much earlier than when Jordan came about, Happy Days was averaging 60 million viewers.
The last dance got higher ratings than that Mickey Mouse bubble shit. MJ will never be topped
@@davidbergerson bro stop it lol, I’ve seen this argument dozens of times and it doesn’t hold water. People aren’t actually watching LeBron’s games on these platforms and it’s not being accounted for. They are going on social media and TH-cam to watch a 5 minute highlight reel, check stats, and see their favorite talking head calling him the goat. Lebron is king of the casuals that don’t watch full games or appreciate/understand the game.
Look at the effort these guys are putting out man…….what happened to my favorite game 😢
LeTrash James is what happened to the game of basketball! Him and his cronnies destroyed the love of the game and made it a damn soap opera about an unskilled steroids using pos basketball player
I feel your pain😂😢
Love how well this video points out the subtle differences in legal definitions of travels and assists across eras.
Right? Yet today's players that are SO superior aren't even close to Stockton's record - which by today's standards would probably be closer to 20k than 16k!
I love Rasheed Wallace and know he's a smart dude but his opinion of Mike's defensive skills is ridiculous. Maybe the weed talkin'.
@@GDTBATH it’s funny that Rasheed bashes Jordan especially because they both went to UNC. Rasheed says weird stuff all the time.
klutch sports wrote the script for him
@@vineelkesavarapu5736 Speaking of UNC, believe it or not but Sheed was Coach Smith's all time favorite player. He loved the guy.
@@GDTBATH That's very surprising. I did not know that.
Old Roscoe off his meds again…it bewilders me, what is talking about? Like he said, he doesn’t watch basketball.
The amount of effort MJ put in on the defensive end in one game when he was younger is more than LBJ has put in his entire career
Dude watch the games! Not highlights and interviews of 90s players. I’ve seen games in the 90s and its so fucking overrated especially defensively. Its not even close on what the players and the fans been saying😂
@@rapmolina3768 OH YOU'VE SEEN "GAMES"? Some of us saw.... the decade. As in, we were there
@@rapmolina3768 naw your right todays defense is so good that the average score of the game is so high its like its a all star game every night
@@TheInternationalJew-vn4bn bro the difference is the players ability to shoot not defense.😂 back then only shooting guards and centers are the primary scorers that explains the average score you’re arguing🤣Defense has always been the same. Same schemes same coverage someone can argue that defensive schemes now is better cos its a positionless game and everyone can guard. the league may have changed the officiating but the changes they’ve made during MJs era is much more than 2000s til date. Let’s be honest, NBA favored MJ, even 80s players said so. Let me say this again. Watch full games and tell me aim wrong 🤣
@@rapmolina3768 I used to watch when i was a kid then when my kid turned into 8 we started to watch again from the 1984 playoffs (not only Bulls' games) now he is almost 13 and just finished 1998. We simultaneously watched the 2019-2024 playoffs aswell. It is fkn easy to see that from 1984-1998 the defense was way tougher!!! It is just so fkn obvious that it is not even a comparison. Today is just almost nonexisting comparing to the 80s and 90s not because players dont want to defend, rather the refs doesnt let them do anything what they could have done in previous eras, while in the same time they let all the players get away with travels, carries, and many offensive faults, gathering steps also gave them a legal 3rd step but they many times let them do even 4-5 steps without punishing them. You have to be a highly hypocrite person to deny these facts. And when you say "Dude watch the games!" I am sure already that actually you are the one who didnt watch those games. And i am pretty sure you only watched highlights about the 80s-90s in which they cherrypicked some pretty rare situations when there were no defense, and you believed those were common things.
In short: YOU start to watch the 90s games!!!
Going through MJ career is like watching an iceberg. You just see like 20% of it, and then you're hit with the overwhelming reality how big it is.
They get really upset of your say anything bad about Jordan like he’s never done one thing wrong
@@brianharron3435and yall just try to excuse every damn thing your queen does
@@sirfrescobar4830 who is yall
BrianHarron
Let’s check your comment history.
Full of whining and complaining at others for dropping facts about your false king, flop king, turnover king, most all star teammates played with (at least 75) and traded (at least 70) king, most coaches fired king (11) and Diddy party king. About 3,000 or so comments in about a year?? That’s what’s sad and pathetic. You’re probably a Nick Wrong burner account.
@@brianharron3435u mad your queen can’t do this 😢
Michael Jordan made people love basketball, LeBron James has made it hard to love basketball.
Been saying this for years and it’s true!! I hate todays softass game of basketball
@Iceman24424 They soft and weak minded. They get triggered easy and go on weak rants on social media. its all the mindset and privilidge now thats runining these kids
Likeness and entitlement
I haven’t even see Mike “live”.. as the NBA wasn’t possible for us (my household) to watch back then.. I was introduced to Basketball trough a friend of my father who lived in the US, he would sent videotapes 📼 to us.. didn’t even knew what basketball was at the age of 10/11.. it looked cool tho.. even then, with my lack of knowledge on the game.. I could feel and sense.. there was something different about this guy. The only reason why I wanted to visit the states was to see him ball out “live”. Unfortunately.. never happened.
Bonbon makes it hard to just watch basketball.
Wildly accurate
Jordan is the best ever 💯🤘
Mj was so good as a rookie they had to triple team him😂😂😂
🗣️
They talk about MJ like he babe Ruth. It wasn’t that long ago lmao
He is the goat. Period
That 80's vs. 20's montage on assists indirectly showed how padded this era is. Some of of those assists from today I was legit thinking "in what universe is that an assist?"
I would think the same thing when I watch games now. That assist discrepancy needs to be talked about more...seriously.
AOH/Skap Attack/Uncut Hoops = better than actual nba games
When you add up all their basketball knowledge & experience playing the game, you get a local CYO player who never made it to HS ball
Do you need to be a chef to be able to tell that a food is delicious?
Who is AOH?
gotta put Jonny Arnett in there too. And Thinking Basketball.
@@ericcod1productions Angry Old Hoops Fan is the channel, great content.
Great vid. The only people that don't know how great MJ was are the people that didn't see him play.
Nobody creats mythlogy for him. The media creates mythology for the new players to somehow be in the conversation.
Jordan was so great that these kids have mistaken his actual accomplishments for the myths they use on the daily to prop up these weak super stars.
Interesting point.🙂
Straight facts.
FACTS bro! Well put!
Lebron got shut down by Shawn Marion and Jason Terry from the Dallas mavericks? Really? No one on earth can say that they shut down Jordan! In fact, they feared Jordan!
A 12 Part series?? This is gonna be a banger! Can’t wait to watch!
This was so necessary. Ive told people for years that the highlights are great but go back and watch a full game of him playing so you can see the makes the misses and all the highlights that got over shadowed. there's soooo much more that people have never seen. Side note: that assistant rule now is wild when you see it like this. lol Great work with the start of this series.
Obviously he was going to miss shots or lose balls, but that does not detract from his greatness, because if we are going to look for mistakes, Lebron has plenty of them HAHAGAHA
Thanks you for yall your hard work UCH. This series will be golden. Episode 1 was great 💪🏾. Keep the content coming 💯
Jordan has something Lebron can never have, a dynasty. Jordan joined a team that had never won a title and gave them 6. Lebron has never done anything even close to that. Forget that if MJs dad hadn’t been murdered odds are good that the bulls would have ruled most of a decade lol.
Plus, Jordan made it possible for players to get paid what they do. Also, don't forget his (and his mom's) instrumental role in signature shoe deals. Everyone wanted to be like Mike; I doubt many want to be le flop.
Most viewership of the nba finals was in 1998. Everyone knows who’s the goat
When defenders argue "Ratings/viewership is lower because there's more things to watch nowadays" I always respond with "In other words, people would rather watch Mr Beast videos than LeBron James playing basketball" 😆
All of the 7 lowest NBA Finals viewership ratings have come since Lebron entered the league... 2 of which involved Lebron. The top 9 highest-rated NBA Finals took place during Jordan's career, and all of the top 4 involved Jordan. Nuff said!
@@jordanjenkins1671facts lmaoooo it’s such a weak add argument. Aka, Lebron is the king of the casuals that read box scores and listen to opinionated podcasts about him…..not real hoops fans that watch full games and actually understand the sport and its beauty lmao
NBA Finals game occurred during the 2016 series between the Cleveland Cavaliers and the Golden State Warriors. Game 7, which took place on June 19, 2016, garnered an impressive 31 million viewers.
@@Doggy-i6lYeah Curry has been involved in some big rated Finals your right in Lebrons era
Its always interesting to think how strict traveling and carrying the ball was back then and hand checking was allowed. if the game was called like that today..players wouldnt seem so "skilled"..would they? 😂 theyd be literally forced to play by the rules and would restrict so much unnecessary ball handling, cuz coaches would bench people if they start getting all these turnovers.
The traveling was strict by today’s standards but watching that old footage it didn’t look strict to me at all, then again I just don’t pay attention to modern ball. The other thing that was crazy in these clips is what they consider assists these days, it looks harder to not get an assist now.
The current generation of fans, sports analysts, and pseudo-experts actively celebrates mediocrity. People consider players like Embid, Harden, and Paul George elite when arguments downplay the significance of winning championships. A recent video on Kobe Bryant highlights my point, showing how LeBron James froze against Dallas in 2011. While no one denies Jordan’s flaws, the current generation dismisses James flaws. So, it's no surprise that mediocrity is being celebrated.
I don't listen 👂🏾 to LeBrons mouth 👄 pieces.Its easy to tell his telling them some of that B.S to say.Lebrons career is built on the back of superteams and the lemedia and the league helping him.And it's not hard to see that.
You are rapidly becoming the best basketball TH-camr my friend, the level of detail placed into extracting moments from historical footage is unprecedented. Finally these young whippersnappers can hear the commentators and see some of the random plays that aren't normally included in highlight reels
Are you serious? What the FUCK? Jordan is one of the best to ever grace a basketball court. I cant stand this ignorance.
Can't wait to see this 12 part series!
Thank you Uncut. Nothing like seeing actual video for proof and hearing the announcers point out different zones and defensive looks. I argue with some people that they DID use the zone back then more often than you think. They got to stop listening to Nick wrong, colon cowherd and others.
Uncut, this is such good work, thank you.
It's Nick "Klutch me Harder LeBron" Wrong. Nick is allowed to believe LeBron is the GOAT. I'm not one who gets offended that someone thinks LeBron is the GOAT. I don't but fine. Nick's insane fixation on destroying and diminishing MJ at every turn makes him disgusting. Skip Bayless goes way overboard about LeBron but he's a troll. Nick has many good takes but when it comes to LeBron vs MJ he becomes less sports commentator and more boo defending her baby daddy. Dude literally brought in high school and college accolades to push MJ to 3rd on his top NBA list that by any metric justifies ZKarerm at #1 but removed that criteria so LeBron didn't also have to be judged by them. Not to mention he literally has some nasty dig at MJ even we hen it's completely uncalled for.
Yeah, u r right. It’s like if little kids wana believe in Santa Claus let em beleive, why ruin their fantasy
We need the Murrow doctrine back. Media can be heavily fined, and even lose their licence to broadcast by law if they compromise journalistic integrity, mislead their audience willfully, or outright lie and push conspiracy theory/psy op bullshit.
Dick Nose has done all 3 simply via the fake Latvian bootleg footage. Whatever happened to that?? It disappeared like Hunter Biden’s 6,527 laptops the Republicans could never find.
Jordan is the only person where the hard you look into his game the better he looks...
Lebron has to make it a media fight using political tactics in order to be in the conversation becuase his resume isn't adding up
Fake DPOY? Lead the league in steals per game with 3.2!, 1.6 blocks per game as a guard, 2nd in the league with 6.1 DWS, and lead the league in DBPM with 4.2.
Meanwhile, Lebron only broke 2 steals per game once in his career, most blocks per game was 1.1 as a 6’9” player, only broke 3 DBPM once in his career with 3.7. He did have a 6.5 DWS season.
The fake DPOY bull crap is just that fake Latvian bootleg footage, that mysteriously vanished. The Latvian guy was probably just Dick Nose in disguise with a bad Russian accent because Dick Nose is to preoccupied slobbing LeKnob that he doesn’t know a damn thing about Latvia.
9:45 - That assist breakdown shows you how inflated LeBalco's numbers are.
It doesn't matter what any of these cretins say, no one will ever supplant MJ as the greatest of all time. No one.
I would love to see someone become the new greatest of all time. But it needs to be earned. No one has come close to earning that title over the goat that is MJ
Kobe carried Shaq in all 3 championships. I got Kobe as the greatest 🏀 of all time. @@d.columbia9603
@@d.columbia9603 I'm not sure we'll ever see his like again. Lots of players, before and since, have similar talents and skills. Some might even possess the drive and determination, but I can't think of anyone, outside of maybe Kobe, who shared MJ's obsession to be the best at all costs.
Theoretically it should happen, but the fact he was such a beast, and STILL, by far, the greatest single player to watch in awe.
NBA players are meant to do things us regular folk can't, Mj did stuff that blew our minds.
So they will have to do a much better eye test than LeBron, have the Mj killer in them, just win win win, even when you lose, like the 63 point game🤣 And then a 1000 other requirements 🥵🥵
Yeah, in theory it's even looking impossible 🤔😁
Wemby MIGHT
If the Last Dance couldn't do this 12 part series isn't going to change minds. Some just want to be ignorant. But I'm still here for it.
MJ worked the hardest than players today unlike a flopper we know who gives up easily. MJ gives 100+% during all his game
That assist section gave me an aneurism wtf are we doing counting them jawns nowadays as an assist. AOH said it best: “if we’re counting those as assists, you might as well give an assist to whoever invented dribbling”
I don't see a lot of difference between those 80's players and players today, you'd expect a huge difference the way some guys talk about those old skool players not being skilled. If anything you had to be more skilled with how strict the rules were. That's why Jordan's footwork was so great, you'd think the average player today would have that kinda footwork but it's not the case
Man way to put in that work!!! It's very much appreciated!!!
Modern day NBA allows players to travel and carry the ball. There is 3 second rule in the paint as well. 80's and 90's basketball was more difficult and clearly a different game than today's NBA.
Yas! Now THIS is what I’m talking about! Thank you @Uncut Hoops! You are doing a long overdue, quintessentially necessary service, not only took your country but to the entire planet - hell, GALAXY - with this 12 part Jordan Files series. Leave NO stone unturned my man. God bless you Uncut Hoops; you are a gentleman and a scholar.
great work maannn
Wow u work hard on your videos 🎉👍👌🔥 that's highly impressive thanks for the knowledge you provide to the people
That 80s and 90s had the most centers...
Kareem
Shaq
Ewing
Moses
Daugherty
Zo Mourning
Parish
Olajuwon
Robinson
Mutombo
Smits
And im leaving out a few names!!
Also when 7 Footers started playing PF. They were really C's but the League ws Stacked with 7 Footers that every PF was also a C. Guys like
Webber who was 6'10 270
Sampson
Garnet 7'
Dirk Nowitzki 7'
Gasol
McHale was 6'11 with a 7'6 Wingspan
James Edwards 7'0
Duncan
Mark Eaton
Great content! Looking forward to the next series of videos.
I think the game of basketball is so great because willpower and killer instinct are just as important if not more so than just skills. I personally think 80's teams would kill modern teams because they had so much damn heart and it tied in with the physicality of the game. I've seen most of the all time stars today collapse under pressure, just imagine how 80's players would mentally and physically dominate these guys today.
Absolutely
And dealing with the racism
Thank you SmokeDog! As many have said, it really depends upon whose rules they played under... But assuming you try to neutralize that by allowing some mix of both with each side allowed time to train and adjust.... I'd LOVE to get some coaches/players responses to how players' fundamentals, skills and discipline would impact the results of 80s/90s players vs modern players matchup. Today, we can barely beat the rest of the world, and all the NBA's best players develop and train elsewhere around the globe. Modern players never get the critical college experience old school players all received to learn fundamentals. Where would Jordan have been without the fundamentals and work ethic he developed at UNC? Are we seeing that player today in someone like Anthony Edwards? I think we've seen, especially on defense, old school players would more than hold their own (what could LeBron do against Pippen and Rodman all night?)...
Some modern bigs have grown up playing outside the post, and would create matchup problems. But no one today could defend Shaq or Hakeem. Modern players do have some advanced training and nutrition that would impact careers (how long could Larry Joe have played?), but not peak players' in an individual game, or playoff series...
Great work. I was an 18yo Chicagoan when this series aired. And their '93 Playoff run paid the rent at the Lincoln Park restaurant (Sedgwick's) I'd just opened that Spring (I can still hear the deafening roar of the crowd when Paxson sank the gm6 jumper to win the series). I lived this and watched every one of these games live. And while the change in traveling rules I am painfully aware of, as it has made the modern game almost unwatchable for me (it's hard to enjoy a game when every drive looks like traveling or carrying, by 80s standards). I had no idea how much they'd changed the assist rules - until I watched your analysis. Thank you. (how badly do we have to get our butts kicked internationally, before we stop adjusting the rules to make the modern game easier?) To have someone creating this content, in whom we can entrust the history and legacy of what we experienced is gratefully appreciated! 🙏 I can't wait for your coverage of the Celtics "god" series in '86, or their 15-2 run in '91!!!
The Jordan Files. Lets do it!!!
Jordan is the most double-teamed player in history except for possibly Shaq in his prime. What kids today don't understand is that this type of swarming, hard trap defense took the ball out of players' hands, preventing star players from putting up numbers. Today when teams try this, they just call a foul on the defense if the trap is even half as aggressive as some of the ones in this video. Thus the offensive player gets to the line, puts up more points, and this also discourages continued trapping.
Now that's a great concept and that video could have went on forever and I could have watched that forever
THEY!!! Opened the pandora’s box trying to delegitimize MJ…
Of course I enjoyed it…you’re exposing the standard, when you go at THEM the same way they go at Jordan.
Am gonna stay tuned. Great job man, keep going 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Even if Jordan isnt the GOAT it sure as hell aint Lablame.. way to many players in front of him with way better all around talent
Brilliant brilliant point about what counts as an assist in the 80s and now. That’s great analysis!!! I’ve watched games today where a player receives a pass, pauses for seconds, get into his move, and then scores and the passer gets an assist (NO WAY THAT IS AN ASSIST!!!!!!)
Part 1 of 12. Should be part 1 of infinity.
You are the GOAT of basketball TH-camrs. The series we didn’t know we needed
Lmao "it's as if he never missed a shot" smh how appropriate because MJ was the most ruthlessly machine like consistent competitor in all of sports and is probably a major reason any of these talking heads even have a job. I have never seen anyone ever come close to MJ in his ability to consistently perform at the highest level especially when it matters most. And just objectively that comment is so massively stupid like MJ averaged 50% from the field for his career so its quite obviously he missed exactly 50% of his shots which is in fact elite for a shooting guard who is scoring 30ppg for his career. Colin Cowface is the worst analyst on earth literally. If you didn't actually watch MJ's entire career you really don't have room to speak.
Another great video. It should be pointed out that Duncan also had an 18pt 4th quarter in the playoffs as a rookie (his first playoff game)
We all here the career stats argument, yet never about MJ played 3 years in college winning a natty. Plus 2 years first retirement and 3 more before being a Wizard. So thats 8 years worth of career stats lost.
Then you look at averages against peers at thier position MJ is mainly top 3 in most Bron isnt.
Bron is a much larger man plays closer to the basket yet has never averaged 10 RPG a season His calling card is acknowledged as being a passer still never 10 APG a season. He plays in an era where scoring is up by 15 to 20 PPG, with just 1 scoring champ. On defense hes had probably 5 seasons you could say he was elite.
Mike had 10 scoring champs when scoring was in the 90's for a game. Scored more in an era where defense was played harder and scoring was lower.
Just things to consider before having a debate on who's the GOAT.
Then you have to consider is Bron even in the conversation? Yes he's a damn good player, just lacks those jaw dropping moments on a consistent basis.
6 guys I'd say are in this conversation.
1. W. Chamberlain
2. Kareem
3. L. Bird
4. M. Johnson
5. M. Jordan
6. K. Bryant
Possibly G Hill and D Rose if injurieshadn't robbed them of thier athleticism
To me Bron is a shorter version of Shaq. Both are above average, imagine if they had the drive of the other men above to improve and hone their game from day 1 to the end of their career what we could be saying. I feel both had more to give than playing bully ball
THANK YOU VERY MUCH UNCUT.
KEEP THE LIGHT SHINING BRIGHT.
After this, throw a curveball and do Jayson Tatum‘s career just like this and end of debate for once and for all
What debate about Jayson Tatum?
A supremely athletic 6’6 guard with a hang time measured in hours… coupled with 3 years of superb coaching at UNC and then with Phil Jackson was flat out unstoppable. But his biggest advantages, especially shooting… were his (very soft) hands the size of a catcher’s mitt. Simply the best player to ever lace them up.
So much research went into this video!!! Thank you!
Jordan was so good, When you become the very best at your profession or whatever people say, “you’re the MJ of ____.”
Lebron got 8 million viewers his last finals game and in 1998 mike had 36 million watch his last game fanboys cone on😂😂😂
Another clinical, scientific, easily understood analysis! The haters can never back up the opinions (not facts) they boast about. Keep 'em coming.
Mess around and do the same for Lebron James and the narrative surrounding his greatness will diminish. The guy is all hype
oh hell yeah!!!!!!!!! Can't wait for this series
yet they’re still talking about him today…what’s that tell you?
Great video! I'm glad someone finally talked about and shown what's considered an assist now compared to back then. And also glad the zone defense back then was brought up too.
0:20 who invited Jordan Poole on nicks podcast
Thats his son lol
Great vid, excellent work. You now have a new subscriber.
The Chief Robert Parrish who played with MJ during his mythic 1996 Season has been taking shots at him saying his Airness couldn't surpass Bird's Celtics, Thomas' Pistons and Magic's Lakers during the 80's, hence he shouldn't be considered the GOAT:
1. Bird's Celtics had three Hall of Famers, and one finals MVP during 1979 at DJ Johnson, plus another Hall of famer coming from the bench at Bill Walton.
2. Thomas' Pistons had three Hall of Famers, and still were beaten by Jordan during the 1991 ECFS( it's BS they were passed their primes), Thomas was 30, Dumars 28, and Rodman around 30.
3. The Lakers had three Hall of Famers.
Jordan had no help during the 80's, and Pippen picked during the 1991 Season.
IGNORANCE IS DARING....ANONYMOUS, And the living proof goes to Robert Parrish, Jordan wasn't the greatest teammate due to his competiveness? Hell Yes, But I guess why he won so many titles during his illustrious career.
Pippin was drafted in 88
Right? If being old was true. Then why did Rodman got another 3 rings more at later years, and so is MJ at 35
@@algladyou it comes to show you that if B.S was a valuable item in Supermarkets, it would run out quickly because the majority of people would buy it.
@@luisrodriguez-mb7cc lol! The cognitive dissonance of them. 😅
Pippen was drafted in 1987 from an NAIA school (like D3) and required alot of development. But Parrish was right. Jordan never beat Bird's Celtics teams in the playoffs (ever), and it took 4 (yes, 4!) very painful years to get past the Pistons. To "the Chief's" credit, he has stated on more than one occasion MJ was the GOAT. And Bird is the one, as the reigning back2back league MVP in 1986, that said MJ was "god disguised as a basketball player".
Can’t wait for this. The series should pay dividends in the future too
Thanks for posting the video to expose all these lies. I always tell people if you actually watch the games, one will notice defenses commonly doubled, trapped, & played zone in the 80s & 90s. The key was that a player had to keep moving unless get whistled for illegal defense.
Secondly, it also proves how rule changes over time makes the game easier - for example the assists & traveling. Today most assists aren't really assists, but it looks good on the stat sheet. That doesn't really bother me, but the traveling is insane.
Love this channel and the 💎 you continue to drop. Keep up the quality content and exposing the lies told about the 🐐
Beautiful video!
Specially illustrating the difference in assists, something that’s often forgotten. I loved that you didn’t just talk about it, but showed us exact examples of how the definition of an assist has changed to fit the inflated stats era.
I also applaud you for highlighting the zone and traps he faced. Yet, another myth dispelled.
I do have one request: Can you focus on how handchecking and other physical play affects a player? There’s some exaggeration from our side which warps expectations in regards to physical play.
We can give the perception that it was a wrestling match 99% of the time, which idiots then pick apart with a fine comb detailing how it wasn’t every play. I believe that does a disservice to the actual physical aspects which are mostly subtle and hidden. There’s tons of grabbing to keep the player from getting the ball which go unnoticed. There’s hard screens set that are often offensive fouls, with players being hit with elbows, hip checks and should bumps that are hidden. Then there’s the misunderstanding of how effective hand checking actually is.
People believe that hand checking will automatically stop an offensive player dead on their tracks, but that’s another misinterpretation by our era. It does NOT stop a player 100% of the time. But it does do a few things:
1. A hand checking is effective at guiding a player into a trap, or forcing them into a difficult situation.
2. A hand checking keeps the offensive player from getting into an offensive rhythm, specially useful for taking away an offensive player’s dribbling. Which is why modern day handles weren’t that common back then, specially for taller players. It’s simply harder to dribble when you have no space and there’s a hand in your waist keeping you from getting a rhythm.
3. Perhaps the most vital aspect is: it’s not a foul! It gives the defence an additional advantage specially compared to today’s era. If I’m allowed to touch you without a foul, it gives the defender more options and freedom to redirect you or force you into their game plan. Today, the defence is at the mercy of the offensive player. The offensive player can dictate what they can and want to do if the defender can’t touch you. It allows them to set up their offence without opposition.
Sorry for the long post, hopefully you’re able to read this and address some (if not all) in your future vids.
@Uncut Hoops What you are doing for basketball, Jordan, his legacy, and future generations, is prolific. I have the utmost respect for you, and appreciation too. Thank you so much for all your dedication, meticulous attention to detail, resilience and excellence. Highly commend you for your courage to stand up, speak out, and refute the false narratives with irrefutable proof. Kudos!
Guys who even played old MJ like Ron Artest said he was still a problem. Ron /Metta was one of the best defenders of the 2000s and MJ averaged around 23 ppg at 40, shooting very few 3s in the dead ball era on Ron.
This notion MJ was just a flash in the pan 80s player is silly. They couldn’t stop prime MJ in 1984, 1994, 2004 or even 2024. There is no era of NBA basketball he couldn’t dominate. He shot the 3 ball well enough to keep you honest and he didn’t obsessively work on it. I think Wilt Chamberlain would be completely unstoppable now, even with only a decent middy. Who’s going to stop him down low? Gobert, Wemby, Jokic, Embiid.
As long as this series is not your last dance, I will enjoy.
ArenASS is absolutely nuts. 2010's and 2020's are weak defensively and the player's jack up threes, don't post up, don't have a mid-range, don't box out and have legit rebounding, and don't run plays.
@scott783 its because they dont need to, due to 2 defensive rule changes. 1. No hand checking, this means players can see the whole court easily, it opens up passing lanes and allows guys to dribble for longer before making a move. In the 80's/90's its 1 or 2 dribbles make a move off a picknroll, or move the ball, while you are backing in. Today guys are front on, easier to pass or get range on a jumper as there is more space to do so.
2. 4 second rule in the lane. Guys have to constantly rotate out of the lane. Good ball handlers will target a player wait for the rotation then attack the lane. Defense cant stop it or they get hit with a 4 second violation. Just my thoughts
@@allanwysocki6234very rarely do I see someone acknowledge that players play looking at the basket the whole time.
Great start to your 1st of 12 videos. Thank you for always exposing the media's false narratives.
The only reason why these kids pick LeBron over Jordan is because THEY NEVER GOT TO SEE JORDAN PLAY LIKE THEY SEE LEBRON PLAYING NOW ON TV OR IN PERSON. If Jordan were playing now, I am 100% certain these kids would choose MJ.
But even seeing LeBron play they would know he's overrated
Gonna start calling you Professor Uncut. This is a straight up lesson. Thans for exposing the haters.
Not only did the 80s ref call traveling .. they would call today's NBA shoulder down off hand clear out on layups and EXACTLY 11:14
Keep those files coming. I enjoyed this
That line in the Dark Knight applies here ‘You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain
You need tô do a rule changes and myths (such those discussed in this video), this is amazing.
Congrats!!
You're the GOAT of this style of video. 👏 'Phil' Pressey agrees. 😉
I am NOT a Bulls fan. I WAS NOT a Bulls fan...I was not a Jordan fan, but I recognize greatness...
LeBron is NOT great...
At his height and weight and with the two minimal abilities he has (running and jumping) and the one VERY MINIMAL SKILL he has dribbling (for as tall as he is), he should have ACTUALLY dominated the NBA... If he had HALF the dawg that Jordan, Kobe or even Curry have, he would have for 10-0 in the Finals, gotten MULTIPLE DPOY awards, played 82 games more than just once in his career, as opposed to LOAD MANAGING all the time...I could go on and on...
Jordan was, during his prime playing days, 55 pounds less than LeBron and 3 inches shorter... Played in a MUCH TOUGHER NBA (by the way, any idiot that asserts how today's NBA is tougher, can NEVER explain how it's tougher!).
Jordan played 82 games (a full season) 9 TIMES in his career! That's Stockton did this 16 times. AC Green did 14 times, K. Malone & Randy Smith did it 10 times and Jordan is tied for 4th place, having played 82 games NINE times...
And, of all top 10 players, Jordan has the MOST 82 game seasons in history...
LeBron, once again, is larger and stronger than Jordan and Stockton and plays in a softer era of the NBA and yet, he could only manage to accomplish this feat ONCE?
Even Earl Boykins, 5'5" 135 managed that!
Underneath the surface of all the stats and analysis is the fact that the NBA is sports entertainment. Michael Jordan was and still to this day the most flyest looking game, dramatic shot making, superhero status in Chicago, supervillain to all others , most entertaining player I can ever think of. You never lost money on him if you bet on the finals. He lived up to all the hype.
Great video! Also interesting to note in the Bucks series, the Bulls were +10 in 192 minutes with Jordan on the court and -32 in 21 minutes with Jordan off the court.
Good job man, amazing video
Outstanding video receipts 💯