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A great review!,you guys were spot-on, when it came to actual buyer delimma associtate to this product. It is a high priced item with a very limited audience, I would say most people who have dealt with Rotel or similar European brands would consider this in their shortlisting. I believe someone who is shopping for a quality class AB AVR for a 5.1 setup and also willing to stick with it for an extended time period, in spite of tech changes. Also, it is possible to invest on RSP-1576MKII and RMB-1585, which provide better upgradability. If one is only interested in Rotel signature sound, just combining the RMB-1585 with any other AVR/preprocessor will do the trick as well.!
I think sound quality is something I prefer over the features of tomorrow. At the end of the day it is all about sound 😀 A/B class amp and all channels driven per 100w sound enough for most of home configurations. I can also agree about connecting with bronze speakers - exceptional in it's class 🖐️
I've considered the previous model, currently on sale, but this big boy does not even have a headphone jack, nor does it support native DSD. At that price range, with multichannel audiophiles in mind, it's a no go for me.
Both you guys are providing great information in your uploads that is helping my decision making in choosing my first "proper" audio setup. Thanks to you both 😎👍
Some people in the comments don't seem to understand that this item is for a different market segment. Items like these are usually installed professionally and usually paired with something like an AV Proedge 4X2 matrix switch to get around the limited hdmi board. Something to think about. I don't sell Rotel anymore but liked the sound quality of this piece and thought your review was great! Keep up the good work Andrew and Kristi!
I own the Rap-1580MK2 with Dirac Live 3 license. I've spent 200 hours learning, measuring and adjusting all things Dirac: House Curves, tight focus, wide measure...every measure video on youtube and I've never got a correction that didn't dampen the overall quality of this brilliantly engineered processor. Amazing frequency response separating the individual instruments. Made my 12-year-old B&W 703 speakers sound like I upgraded them to $8000 speakers. My setup is in a small room and I can crank the volume past Spinal Tap 11 with no distortion. No bass traps and some bass does collect in the corners, but it's not enough to need bass traps. I'd hoped Dirac Live 3 would create greater clarity, and it does cleanup the bass a little, but at the expense of higher frequencies. In my room and setup, Dirac was a waste of time. It cost a fortune, but it was a better move than upgrading my speakers and I don't need to spend money on traps or make other room corrections. The solution to large speakers in a small room (11ft x 16ft with speakers on the short wall only 8 feet from listening position and speakers only 16" from wall)--a processor like the Rap-1580Mk2.
That was unexpected! Great review! I have my eyes to the ROTEL 1580 for some time now. It is expensive but that won't stop me. Already started to do some savings to be able to buy it. I was looking for a long time for a unit for atmos with real sound quality simple, no streaming, no radio, just basic simple stuff and sound quality and I was amazed when I actually discovered it. I am that small % of people that love something like this. I agree that is for the people you said.
I’ve had this rotel for about a year now and I’m very happy with it. Never experienced any issues at all. It sounds fantastic, does not run hot, then again I have it sitting on top of an entertainment center pretty much like Andrew has. This product replaced a 30 year old denon poa5000 5 channel amplifier with the matching preamp, AVP5000. Plus the fact that i paid about 2 grand since it was a return. Reason for return is the previous person thought it had streaming capabilities. So new it still had the front corners protective tape. It was purchased through an authorized Rotel dealer. Mine doesn’t have the quick power on mode. This is because I’m here in the Netherlands and that feature is omitted to comply with European energy guidelines. I use it with Bowers and Wilkins 804 matrix speakers 3 channel setup. I’ve read it has issues with Dirac, but, since I don’t use Dirac, I don’t have to worry about that. I’m old school.
Besides HDR compatibility. And two second audio dropouts at the beginning of a new track. And needing a serial to USB adapter and knowing what ‘baud’ rate to set for software updates (1983 called, it wants its software update procedure back). But if what you want to listen to and watch is 1080p or lower, once you’re three seconds in, they do sound very good.
My issue with all-in-one processor + amp is that processor technology changes every few years (new sound formats, new HDMI standards, streaming features etc) but amplifier tech hasn't really changed in decades. I just want to buy a good amp and upgrade the processor when I want / need more features. No one seems to make an affordable processor though. Cheapest I know of is Marantz AV7706 or Emotiva XMC which is still $3000. Why doesn't anyone make an affordable processor? (< $1500)
As I was reading the comments, some of them made me feel the need to point that this was a GREAT review, very informative and from an everyday point of view. Thank you both for your time and effort.
I want to thank the both of you for putting on quality, bingeworthy content on! I digg the mellow tone and the easy explenations! it has helped me very much to settle on what i think is the perfect speakers for me. And that is the Focal 826. I love the range and the fun they bring, now i just need to power them properly without going bankrupt😂🤪 keep it up! Stay safe! I wish you both all the best! PS! I have been with you since the start!
I've never had an issue with a receiver/ versus separates, except when it comes to versatility. But. In today's world, with the proliferation of outboard devices(dacs, headphone amps, phono stages, etc) it becomes almost a foregone conclusion. In my system, for example, I have a Yamaha V1700 receiver that has 185 WPC into 8 ohms, its a 5.1 surround processor, its HDMI capable, has a sub out and a pre out, phone stage etc. It worked fine for me, up.until I got my Magnaplan MGlls. It was a 1200.00 receiver new, and gave me all of the connectivity that I could have wanted. I bought(at your recommendation) the Crown XLS drivecore 2 series power amplifier, and am using the Yamaha as a pre-amp and am very pleased with the sound. I am contemplating the purchase of an outboard Dac now. The versatility of any component should be a primary concern when purchasing it. That being said, the 5 grand pricetag of this Rotel would be prohibitive in my mind for my own system, and someone who is looking for simplicity, I would think, would also consider it so also. Thats a hefty pricetag for a receiver. Period. Thank you for your comprehensive review as always. I love the way that you and Christy always break things down. Sincerely, it is illuminating and appreciated
I use a YAMAHA entry level 5.1 receiver that cost me $279 CANADIAN DOLLARS. It is very good. Amazing Yamaha can make an AV receiver at this price that's this good. The ROTEL you reviewed is around $6400 CANADIAN DOLLARS. There is no way it is worth over 20 X as much. A very limited few will buy this piece but maybe that's Rotel's plan ....sell less to rich people who only buy expensive things to impress family and friends with Rotel making a huge gross margin on each sale. There is an old audio retailer saying .."if you sell to the CLASSES, you'll eat with the MASSES"......PS: I LOVE your reviews, keep up the good work.
To answer your question, this non-receiver is for someone that has that much money to spend on it, and listens to music more than watches movies. Probably old school and plays multichannel SACD’s and A-DVD’s. I actually have the Rotel RSP 1572 and Rotel RSP 1066 (didn’t get rid of when I replaced it with the 1572. I use a Bryston 4B for front L and R, and a three channel Parasound for C and Surrounds. I don’t use a sub, because I have four-way 2.9 NHT’s, which have 10 inch side firing woofers that go down to 26Hz. I mostly find my self lowering the volume on explosions, because my neighbor says that the dishes in her cabinets rattle when I watch movies… Thanks for sharing the review.
Got this Rotel a year ago at a nice (40%) discount, and like it a lot in currently a 5.1 setup (Wharfedale Elysian 2 fronts, Elysian Center, EVO4S rear speakers, REL S/510 sub). Using my fronts for stereo as well (Musical Fidelity Nu Vista 600 amp, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE dac), so I was looking for a musical and powerful AV "receiver", to get the most out of my speakers for home cinema as well. And this 1580MKII delivers.
Well growing up in Germany 1st graders discuss if a BMW is better than a Mercedes and they are probably both great cars, but you can just appreciate one of them. For me the Rotel is the piece where I rest my eyes on when I listen to music and I relax, no matter how hard the day was. I had three different ones by now, but this is what I enjoy. Other gear might be great too or less pricy, but that is my luxury that I feel to owe myself - even without eARC. We are not in this because we want to spend the money wisely. At least I am not. ;)
@@Spock105 Not even close... The only thing those ancient things have were "more power" and that's it. With built-in Tuner sections and low quality AMPs/Components/Transformers your experience will be far, far away !
One thing I find interesting is that audiophiles don't seem to question why a two channel amp costs thousands and thousands of dollars, but when a company comes out with a high end home theater receiver it's questioned as to why it's so expensive because there are cheaper options. The funniest part is that home theater receivers generally pack a lot more technology inside than simple two channel, but the expectation is that you shouldn't overpay in the home theater realm.
The technology isn't relevant to 2 channel music, so it doesn't really apply. I have a very expensive HT system and it doesn't sound anywhere near as good as lesser priced 2 channel systems. For movies its great, for music only its way overpriced. If you have a chance go to one of the high end audio shows, make the trip. Listen to some good 2 channel gear, you'll see what everyone's talking about. It's too hard to put into words. You have to experience it for yourself.
The ideal customer I see for this is the more well-to-do audiophile who succumbs to pressure from his family to integrate home theater into his hifi(hey, you got chocolate in my peanut butter!). Here you have a convenient, good sounding, component with none of the fru-fru that other, tech-obsessed receivers or processors come with. Fairly easy to set up and integrate into an existing system or base a new on off of. So I see this more of an old man’s(or woman’s)surround amp than any of the new guard.
I purchased a complete Mission system, Preamp, amp, speakers 770's in 1969. I still enjoy this system and I can appreciate the return of the 770 speakers.
The non-sexy answer is correct. We seem to judge AV receivers via a cost-benefit analysis that we don’t apply to regular audiophile amps. Sometimes people have the money and are willing to spend it. I’d rather have the NAD though,
Any chance you will review the Arcam AVR20 Lineup? A lot of the time you will compare AVR's to the NAD T778, and while a great unit, I feel that in said price category the AVR20 should definitely be a consideration. The T778 is better looking, and has the touchscreen, but the AVR20 adds 5 more channels of processing, up to 4 dedicated separate sub channels, class A/B amp, and dirac live bass management, for 900$ more, which is substantial, but not as much as the Rotel 1580 costing 1900$ more.
It's really impressive how you keep up with all these many reviews, fantastic! I would really like to rent some of the amps you've reviewed, can't have them all but it would be fun to try 'em all out.
I was thinking the same thing. These two have to come up with a basic script to work from with each review. There's a lot of detail to provide in an organized fashion. Plus I'm guessing they shoot re-takes. Let's hope they don't start storyboarding. :) Then there's the constant swapping of components and reading of manuals.
@@jimgardner5129 It's like a virtuoso musician who only gives the impression of easy going because he works hard at it. I am still contemplating on how to do a little review for some vintage myself but afters months haven't moved anything further beyond a first script. It is really hard to comprehend how much work Kristi and Andrew are putting into each video.
Great video as always! I’m more of a two channel guy, though I have a home theater setup, but I never miss any of your videos because they are so well done, informative and entertaining.
Somewhat new viewer here… hi! Gotta say, I think there's a huge value in your 'bonus content' with Christie(sp??) which makes your channel different, and more engaging than many other 'white dude audio review' channels. I kiiiinda skip ahead to the end for that dialogue.
For me, the price is prohibitive but I love the simplicity. I became exhausted several years ago with the constant need to upgrade and the complexity of some audio and HT components. I just jumped back in and I went with an Enclave system for HT. I am still looking at home audio. The Rotel wins my "yes" vote (if I were looking) for simplicity of use and my "no" vote for price point.
I’ve got the Rotel RSX-1550 powering my B&W center and surrounds with their RB-1582 200x2 amp for my man B&W tower speakers for the past 12 years. With dual Hsu Research subs. The watts per channel on these are 100 watts with all channels driven all the time unlike other receivers that will peak 2 channels at their spec’d watts. I never get tired of the sound this makes. I think this 5.1 setup sounds just as good and dimensional as any Atmos setup. But if/ when I do upgrade I’ll probably get this new Rotel receiver. But wow at $5k got to decide… this receiver? Or Eames lounge chair? Lol
I have a 15 year old Arcam AVR300, which is a real 7 x 100wpc and sounds great - very powerful bass and some warmth on the top end. The AVR30’s Class G amplification should sound even better. I haven’t heard any Rotel products for comparison.
@@akka143 I think you’re just fine with your current Arcam. Unless you want to go to high end 2 channel, then Rotel’s Michi brand is pretty damn awesome except for Bluetooth only wireless connection (no Airplay or Chromecast currently).
Added to my collection, I currently have a rotel rsx 1067. It is such an engaging unit to listen to. All of the music nuances comes thru. So yeahhh rotel all de wayyy
A multi in and pre out is worth a lot more than a HDMI input to me. I'll probably be watching a lot more of this channel because the focus is "largely analog".. my boxes are ticked.
Loved the review. I am not the one that can drop the 💲💰💲💰 for this, but a great buy for someone like you said that's looking for a analog system upgrade. Great job 👍👍🤟🤟👍👍🤘🤘
Hi Andrew, in the comparison section the Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A3080 wasn't mentioned. From a power amp perspective, it didn't sound like the Yamaha would be in the same class. However, with its features and functionality, it does things the Rotel lacks; e.g. full room correction, streaming music. Having owned an RX-V2600 for many years, I can't imagine how much better the Rotel would have to sound in order to get me to pay over double plus as compared to a 3080. As always, thanks.
@andrewrobinson, what are your thoughts on firestick/cubes, chromecasts, and rokus as audio streamers to your stereo or receivers? Would that be a worthwhile video for budget streamers. Thanks as always for the vids.
Good afternoon Mr. and Mrs. I think that this component is of the Audiophile/ Home-Theater ilk, BUT only in terms of a limited space. If I can clarify and by that I mean it offers just enough ports and scalability for a medium to semi-large room. It only offers two balanced connections and for me, just like you said it really could not be the true hub to a serious home theater. I think that it falls in the category of those Integra products such as the DRX 5.3 with the differences would be pricing, and it is 9.2
I believe it's aimed at audiophile types that don't wish to deal with a lot of confusion and love its architecture. AND may house it in a medium sized room where fewer components and fewer speakers is the preferred option. (This makes my Mrs happy.) I'm a 5.1 / 5.2 fan and audiophile wannabe who enjoys audio in a smaller space and this product fits the bill perfectly. Is $5,000 too much for 5 channels of solid 100w AB power? You'd have to tell me. Plus, I think it's quite beautiful provided one can dim the screen.
Hello, I go directly to the question, what is your opinion about Arcam AV 40 is this processor worth it or is there any other option closer to what I could consider as more "advanced". Thank you so much .
At $5,000 that Rotel could be considered really expensive, until I realized that in the 70's I thought nothing of spending $1500 on an Apple ][ Plus computer, that couldn't print anything, had no lower case on the keyboard, no floppy or hard drive and could only show 8 colors at a time. Adjusted for inflation that would be over $6,000 today.
This unit appeals to me. I have a rotel class A/B power amp in my 2 channel set up and it is killer. I think this unit is aimed and people who are mostly 2 channel music listeners but want some HT capability. As you noted, most HT receivers are computers with a class D amplifier all wrapped in a black box. The Rotel is not that.
Very informative and timely review for me. I’m in the process of updating my system and, sadly, the weak link in my system is now the 10 yo Integra prepro. Even more difficult is that it’s built like a tank and is even more durable. So should I get a near state of the art (Anthem and below) receiver mix with my current 5 channels class D amp or replace it with a near state of the art prepro? And which would you recommend for either? Thank you for any help.
If you already own a separate 5 channel amp, then my advice would be to purchase another stand-alone processor rather than a receiver. No need to replace your amplifier(s) if they're working and you like them. So shop for a preamp/processor in this instance. I believe Rotel makes one, as do many other brands. I've been quite impressed with the XMC-2 lately, though its setup and menus are TERRIBLE. However, sound wise it's up there with some of the better or best two channel preamps honestly. That would be my advice.
Why? It has no HDMI 2.1! No HDCP 2.3! Only a 5.1.2 Surround setup! It has also no virtual formats like Virtual X or Auro 3D and is a 1000 bugs more expensive as the danon 8500 H/A. I hope its good for Musik
What is a better ARV at this moment for this price or lower? I have the Rotel RAP 1580mk2, but it has a defect, and the dealer offers a replacement or I can choose another ARV.
I would think that this Rotel is one of the best. But personal preference may make you also consider the Arcam AVR31 or the equivalent from Anthem. I believe the Arcam would be a warmer sound, whereas the Rotel may have more sparkle in the sound.
@@youngjun91 I ended up buying a Arcam AVR30 :-) Love it so far, although, it just had its first software hick up, I can't re-install my DIRAC measurement anymore. So maybe have to do a factory reset this weekend, and start fresh. (I do have Live Bass Control installed as well).
Great review! 👍 I own the Yamaha rx-v6a but I'm missing clarity in the mids and especially in the high tones when listening in stereo. Also missing punch in the bass. So, how are these in the Rotel?
Yes it’s quite expensive. But it’s also REALLY good looking and if it sounds and works as as good as it looks, I could possibly pull the trigger on one.
I had a couple of Rotel amps and was very satisfied with their look and performance. I sold my Parasound C2 and went with a Yamaha 2068 receiver this time around. Now I'm contemplating going back to the separates since I will never listen to AM/FM on any device other than the Bose Wave radio downstairs anymore. However, receivers like this does cause vacillation... Thanks!
I think the 1580 mkii is for the customer who is accustomed to high end audio components , that is either downsizing or simplifying the user ability of their system. It’s like the Boxter of the Porsches.....
Thanks for another great review! It boggles my mind that companies are still not making receivers with hdmi 2.1. I get that 8k is still not widespread but we’re already living in a time where current gen gaming consoles outputting at 4K 120fps is the norm… let alone in 2-5 years. I’m still having to earc my videogame through the tv to my t778 while I cross my fingers hoping for an hdmi module that isn’t outdated :(
The only major drawbacks I saw based on the review were the lacking e-arc and the lack of full 9.2.4 outputs. It's fine if you have to add more amp channels but if it caps out at less than full format it limits the implementation into a serious theater room, and it shouldn't, especially when the base unit is as good as you say.
Rotel is one of those products that I jump at the chance to buy used - it's got it's function and will do it best for 30+ years. Its a buy & forget it product, a final "thank god I've found it for way less than MSRP holy crap" much like some of the older Marrantz AVR's. You can always add on a streamer or a 4k hdmi expander for cheap, this is a "build out from me" AVR.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews could be that they have been very buggy and uses that as an excuse...:/ But recently they have stabilized the firmware and I really am cheering for you to get one to test out :)! Well you are your own boss and I like pretty much all reviews you do..
Great to hear a HT receiver review. I have been looking for one that would be good for music. I have many records and concerts remastered in 5.1 and love to hear it in the best without a bank of expensive equipment!
Too much competition these days. Look at what Yamaha just came out with at $2200 with it's performance and features at less then half the price. Also, Anthem just came out with an incredible AV receiver with similar quality amplification and way more features for $4000. This Rotel just doesn't seem like a good buy for significant majority of customers looking for a quality AV receiver. It lacks features and is too expensive in that price range for what it offers.
I have the Rotel 1576 MKII preamp/processor which I assume is essentially 1/2 of the 1580 MKII. I purchased it to replace my Proceed AVP 2, a high end pre/pro in its day with Mark Levinson digital components. The Rotel is the equal of the Proceed in musical sound quality. It's a joy to listen to music in 2 channel stereo up to 5.1.2 in Dolby Atmos or 7 channel stereo. Using my Marantz UD7007 I can play almost every high definition audio format. I have a collection of DVD Audio and SACD disks along with many audiophile CDs. I couldn't be happier than I am now with the Rotel for music. I whole heartedly recommend it for the multi-channel audiophile. Movie soundtracks also sound excellent but must admit that I am sometimes confused as to what I am actually getting. Is it uncompressed or not. The Rotel doesn't help much in this department as the information it provides is very limited. It doesn't have eARC so what is coming through the ARC channel? My Sony smart TV has a setting for Dolby Digital Plus which is supposed to pass Atmos compressed if I understand correctly. The Rotel gives no indication of a DD Plus soundtrack; it merely indicated 5.1, 48 kHz which I assume is simply DD. Is Atmos matrixed onto the 5.1 soundtrack? I watched the Tom Hanks movie Greyhound from Apple + the other day and it sounded fantastic giving my 5.1.2 system a real workout. But what was I listening to is the question. If you can help please respond. I know that a simple solution is to get an Apple TV and feed it directly to the Rotel to get full Atmos, but I would rather not add another thing to my system at the moment. I enjoy the functionality of the Sony smart TV. I have also found that it is functionally preferable to feed the HDMI inputs directly to the TV rather than the Rotel. The system performs much better without the HDMI glitches that occur when feed into the Rotel.
I mean no eARC is a huge issue. I can go without 2.1 as eARC is a perfect workaround for source to TV and audio return. However I really want that rich sound quality with that deep power you feel and hear. One of my options are the Arcam AVR20/30 which should be competitors to this in terms of sound quality but with more features but no one seems to do a decent review.
Hey Andrew, nice video and review but you didn’t say anything about the “center back channel” though it’s special to this receiver because many other receivers don’t have this feature. So please can you say something about how it sounds or works? Thanks
Beware, the RAP1580MK2 was apparently discontinued in November 2022 with no announced replacement. As an owner of one of these, I can tell you the Rotel support is lacking as of late, no doubt since they’re leaving the AV receiver space
I have the same problem, have to send in my RAP 1580MK2 for the second time, due to problems with ethernet connection and firmware updates. Sound wise it is a great AV, plus Dirac is a must nowadays.
I got this unit nog too long ago and the sound is amazing with my 702s2 towers. The only thing im having an issue with is the ARC. Does it not turn on and off with ARC? If so i cant find the setting.
My Rotel Integrated RSX 1065 has lasted me 18 years and still going strong. I've loved it but soon want to replace. I like the brand and have toyed with separates but love the single box and looks (I'm superficial I guess). Would love to hear my Rega 8 with a Hana MC cart play records through this beast.
Brought a Rotel and Nad receiver home for a blind test, not this particular Rotel but I find they stay relatively the same in overall sound impressions between models. The Rotel was clean, separation and soundstage was better but felt a little antiseptic and less involving than the Nad which had more warmth and an overall fuller sound. My wife liked the sound of the Nad better so you can guess which we stayed with. I had also tried Adcom and Arcam and found their sound more to my liking and somewhere in between the Rotel and Nad as Nad can be accused of a bit too lush but they were a bit out of my price range at the time.
I believe this Rotel Powered Processor (that’s how I chose to call it) sits like in between the AVR and PRE-PRO / separates world. It certainly serves a small niche of people but it’s MSRP is way too much. For 5K you can get into separates like Emotiva or Monoprice with the convenience of adding channels as you grow your setup.
Bingo Kristy. Who is this for? My thought through the entire review. I have a dedicated theater and a Naim audio stereo. Clearly not for me. Denon makes amazing receivers for half the price. Many companies make wonderful stereo amps for way less. I think that a person looking for a combined movie / music setup might like it. The price is killer. Love your videos from BOTH of you.
The issue that many people find is that stereo amplifiers are for listening to music and lack the ability to push base and mid to the level of home theatre and the problem with home theater systems is they lack good range across all the bands of frequency. Some people just want a really good system that can do both and there are very few options out there for them.
@@bighands69 yes, that's a really good point and why I have two separate systems. Through I know that not everyone can or even wants to do that. The reality is that the requirements of music and movie soundtracks are, as you highlight, very different. One of my first learnings on this road was that every decision is a balancing act of compromises. There's no perfect system and specs really are not how we can make decisions.
It's expensive, but with multi-channel analog (RCA) inputs for the SACD/DVD-A crowd, Atmos capability, Dirac live (upgradeable) and separates-quality sound, it's seems to hit every need for an audiophile who loves movies too.
I bought an old Denon 4806 for $450 on Ebay about 5yrs ago for its analog inputs and hdmi inputs/ouput and absolutely love this beast! Playing multichannel DSD via denon link with ability to do bass mgmt in the digital domain sounds amazing. Then I picked up an old Pioneer BDP-09fd and play surround blueray through its Wolfson dacs in dual mode connect to my Denons external inputs. I agree about analog and am in to 5.1 music and it seems like older AVs and BD players allow you to do that better than most newer stuff (BD players today expect the use of hdmi and dont come with hi end dacs or multichannel outputs) Also. Denon is 140 watts per channel 7.1. Is there any advantage at all for the audiophile to spend 5k on a new AV? Older receivers still do the usual THX etc theatre stuff. Just curious because I'm certainly no expert but love my vintage late 2ks components made back when sacd, dvd audio and blueray surround music was still a thing. Rotel obviously new and better than an old Denon but still I have about 4 different dacs to choose from besides my Denon's burr browns. Does Rotel do anything different hi-res audio wise from a much older high end AV. Slightly better bass mgmt Dirac > Audessey and if you want Atmos music is all I can see.
I would venture to say that Rotel has a better understanding of how to attain their desired profit margin on this product. I doubt the retail cost is arbitrarily high. Recall the MKIIs are implementing design and components from their MICHI line. That's expensive (and super high quality) stuff! They may be planning for price to roll off (haha) down the line, but I'm doubting it's priced that way "just because."
I really dont understand who this is made for. The price tag is so obscenely high, that it competes with flagship from denon and marantz and more, which im not sure about the marantz, but the denon sounds great. On top of that, even though beautiful, it's functionality seems limiting. Like 7.1 channels is good and all, but like, for 5k, you could buy 20 yamaha 7.1 tsr receivers.
I have the Denon AVR-X3700H, Am looking to get a External amplifier, My top 2 choices are this Rotel 1585, Or The Emotiva XPA-DR3 Reference Three-Channel Power Amplifier, I know the Rotel 1585 has 5ch at 200 watts per ch at 8omh, And the Emotiva is a 3ch at 450watts per ch at 8omh, Any recommendations?
Now that I think about it I'm still using my 49 TX from Pioneer Elite and that makes mince meat out of most products out today but I love the look of the rotel I paid $1200 dollars 5 years after it's release for my pioneer elite still using it to this day and I still love it.
I just bought a used but mint Rotel RAP 1580 but haven’t settled on a 5.1 setup. Based on your reviews would you go: KEF Q350/250/150, Monitor Bronze, or B&W 606 series??? SVS Micro sub. Small room 14x10, watching lots of movies, listening to jazz, hip hop, copious Radiohead. Cheers and thanks for a really brilliant channel!!
Andrew quick question for you, in your review you said the Rotel is one of the best that you have to just turn on a source and have automatically turn everything online to make it so easy to use. I have a 9.2 Denon that worked that way for 2years but now you turn on att tv or Apple TV and it just sits there no picture or sound. I guess I need something simple that will always work. Is the Rotel the only one that meets the aoutmagic needs?
Enjoyed today, Im more of a detailed setup and picky guy. I really do love the abilities of the Emotiva products. Complex is fine by me. Setup time is rewarded!
@@davidsilva3567 no, unfortunately not. The sound is amazing, but the device's display gets stuck very often. I find little to less on the Internet about this issue and also here in the video it is just mentioned "by the way". The dealer sent me the third device already and rotel themselves say the device needs reparation. If the AVR would operate normally I would recommend it despite missing features because of the amazing sound quality, but it has a lot of issues if you read through the Forums, so no recommendation.
@@Roflcopter1988hi, I’m considering this amp processor, a factory refurbished for a really good price and a 5 year warranty. When your display gets stuck, what do you need to do to get it back working normal again? Thanks, SE
The display was stuck every time I turned it on the first time (of the day for example). Then turning it off and on again solved the issue for now, but the issue would appear the next day again. There was no certainty, sometimes it would just start right and sometimes turning it off and on would not fix it. Considering I had 3 devices and almost nothing to find on the internet and official support, it came to my mind that something else must be the cause, EMI for example. I unplugged more and more connections (digital and analogue) over time until I just had the speakers connected and the TV with an optical SPDIF (no EMI over optical transmission). Still the display got stuck. Then I suspected the power source to be the problem, since the house is a bit older. I wanted to measure the power line with an oscilloscope, but that's dangerous if you don't know 100% what you're doinig, because in the wrong constellation you can bypass the ELCB (german FI) circuit breaker. I plugged the Rotel into an other power outlet which I was sure would come from a different fuse. That was the last thing I did before I gave up. Then as mentioned the display got stuck less and less, so MAYBE that solved the issue, but I can't be sure about that. There are devices (Voltage Regulators?) to protect Audio Hardware from voltage variation on the power line, but they're very expensive.
@@S.E.729 Hi, haven't checked my notifications about replies in a while... In the meanwhile the problem solved itself. I don't know exactly why, but the issue became more rare over time and at some point didn't occure anymore at all. During the time the Rotel had the issue I needed to turn the device off and on again. I also got the device as refurbished for a good price and for that I think It's a solid choice, but not for full price (also not wihtout the display issue).
@@andrewrobinsonreviews always!! My home theater was dominating last night. Just all kinds of awesome. The kind of experience that left me not wanting to upgrade for a while
At $5k this is a really hard sell even if it's really good sound-wise and looks great. Those that are willing to spend that much... Need HDMI 2.1 and more than 7 channels for Atmos/DTS X.
That I cannot say. We have reached out to Anthem and so far have not gotten a response. You can always let them know you would like to see their products on the channel.
I personally prefer the sound of Anthems receivers over Rotels. And are far better value when it comes to price. I was thinking of upgrading when the new models launched this year but the lack of HDMI 2.1 support was a deal breaker. I'll keep using my current Anthem until they support that format. But sound can't be beat.
There was one thing that always surprised me about Rotel and that was how well that they carried their particular house sound through out their product line. And how that house sound was fairly consistent from year to year. I like the way that Rotel has pared down all the complexity of elaborate menus and such.
I love this thing, just hard to justify the price when it doesn't have 4k 120hz/8k since I have my pc connected to my tv this way, and at that price I would prefer being a tad more future proofing than 1 year. Been hoping it would go on sale but it didn't in Canada during black friday... I've been researching the hell out of avr's and separates since August when I discovered how bad my basic yamaha rx-v679 sounds in comparison to anything else I have ever heard, worse so on Fyne Audio speakers... So far it's either this, the RSP-1576MKII with a 5 channel amp or take a chance on the NAD 778 and maybe adding a 3 channel amp down the line. Of course I have changed my mind so many times I could even end up with an x3700h with a nice used 3 channel parasound amp lol!
“Who would buy this?” Sort answer potentially me! Long answer - I run a dedicated 2 channel separates Rotel in a dedicated room - and trying to listen to music on a movie receiver pushed me down this path - currently building a new home it will have a dedicated room for the 2 channel set up- but this would be a good fit for the larger open plan living , dining and kitchen area so I can have a great movie experience and also enjoy quality music at that end of the house , it’s simple to use - so I’m interested in it because as you mentioned it dose both music and video really well - and currently not listed on the Australian site 😢- house is a few more months away so maybe a later release here - some research required
@@KristiWright thanks - did some digging- good news - yes it’s available down here in Australia- and as suspected the price / exchange rate in Aussie dollars is an additional 30% ( like most Hifi/ electronics ) ….. just how to purchase this and not let the wife see the bill 😉
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A great review!,you guys were spot-on, when it came to actual buyer delimma associtate to this product.
It is a high priced item with a very limited audience, I would say most people who have dealt with Rotel or similar European brands would consider this in their shortlisting.
I believe someone who is shopping for a quality class AB AVR for a 5.1 setup and also willing to stick with it for an extended time period, in spite of tech changes.
Also, it is possible to invest on RSP-1576MKII and RMB-1585, which provide better upgradability. If one is only interested in Rotel signature sound,
just combining the RMB-1585 with any other AVR/preprocessor will do the trick as well.!
I think sound quality is something I prefer over the features of tomorrow. At the end of the day it is all about sound 😀 A/B class amp and all channels driven per 100w sound enough for most of home configurations. I can also agree about connecting with bronze speakers - exceptional in it's class 🖐️
I've considered the previous model, currently on sale, but this big boy does not even have a headphone jack, nor does it support native DSD. At that price range, with multichannel audiophiles in mind, it's a no go for me.
@@zachariahadams It doesn't support native DSD, so it's no good for SACDs.
HI, Andrew, do you have interest to review the Topping EX5 amplifier??????
Andrew, congrats on 193K subs! You deserve great success! Steve
Thank you very much Steve, I appreciate you stopping by and leaving a note. Best to you as well!
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Both you guys are providing great information in your uploads that is helping my decision making in choosing my first "proper" audio setup. Thanks to you both 😎👍
Both of you guys are popular, can we cooperate?? hahaha
Both these guys are my go to when looking for gear.
Good afternoon everyone!
Enjoy your day too!
Some people in the comments don't seem to understand that this item is for a different market segment. Items like these are usually installed professionally and usually paired with something like an AV Proedge 4X2 matrix switch to get around the limited hdmi board. Something to think about.
I don't sell Rotel anymore but liked the sound quality of this piece and thought your review was great! Keep up the good work Andrew and Kristi!
I own the Rap-1580MK2 with Dirac Live 3 license. I've spent 200 hours learning, measuring and adjusting all things Dirac: House Curves, tight focus, wide measure...every measure video on youtube and I've never got a correction that didn't dampen the overall quality of this brilliantly engineered processor. Amazing frequency response separating the individual instruments. Made my 12-year-old B&W 703 speakers sound like I upgraded them to $8000 speakers. My setup is in a small room and I can crank the volume past Spinal Tap 11 with no distortion. No bass traps and some bass does collect in the corners, but it's not enough to need bass traps. I'd hoped Dirac Live 3 would create greater clarity, and it does cleanup the bass a little, but at the expense of higher frequencies. In my room and setup, Dirac was a waste of time. It cost a fortune, but it was a better move than upgrading my speakers and I don't need to spend money on traps or make other room corrections. The solution to large speakers in a small room (11ft x 16ft with speakers on the short wall only 8 feet from listening position and speakers only 16" from wall)--a processor like the Rap-1580Mk2.
That was unexpected! Great review! I have my eyes to the ROTEL 1580 for some time now. It is expensive but that won't stop me. Already started to do some savings to be able to buy it. I was looking for a long time for a unit for atmos with real sound quality simple, no streaming, no radio, just basic simple stuff and sound quality and I was amazed when I actually discovered it. I am that small % of people that love something like this. I agree that is for the people you said.
No e-ARC ? And what do you do when you use your TV as streamer with Netflix, etc.? You can't even get atmos then because no DD+?
I just came here to say Hello AND if you haven't watched Cruella yet, you are missing out! What a fun movie and a total masterclass in art direction.
The soundtrack is banging too. Lots of classic rock!
@@Norweeg So good!
Thanks for the recommendation 😀
I’ve had this rotel for about a year now and I’m very happy with it. Never experienced any issues at all. It sounds fantastic, does not run hot, then again I have it sitting on top of an entertainment center pretty much like Andrew has. This product replaced a 30 year old denon poa5000 5 channel amplifier with the matching preamp, AVP5000. Plus the fact that i paid about 2 grand since it was a return. Reason for return is the previous person thought it had streaming capabilities. So new it still had the front corners protective tape. It was purchased through an authorized Rotel dealer. Mine doesn’t have the quick power on mode. This is because I’m here in the Netherlands and that feature is omitted to comply with European energy guidelines. I use it with Bowers and Wilkins 804 matrix speakers 3 channel setup. I’ve read it has issues with Dirac, but, since I don’t use Dirac, I don’t have to worry about that. I’m old school.
I will never hit that like button like it’s my job. Cause my job currently sucks, and this channel is exact opposite of that - IT F**** ROCKS!!!
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Rotel is a no-nonsense company that never disappoints.
Besides HDR compatibility. And two second audio dropouts at the beginning of a new track. And needing a serial to USB adapter and knowing what ‘baud’ rate to set for software updates (1983 called, it wants its software update procedure back). But if what you want to listen to and watch is 1080p or lower, once you’re three seconds in, they do sound very good.
My issue with all-in-one processor + amp is that processor technology changes every few years (new sound formats, new HDMI standards, streaming features etc) but amplifier tech hasn't really changed in decades. I just want to buy a good amp and upgrade the processor when I want / need more features. No one seems to make an affordable processor though. Cheapest I know of is Marantz AV7706 or Emotiva XMC which is still $3000. Why doesn't anyone make an affordable processor? (< $1500)
As I was reading the comments, some of them made me feel the need to point that this was a GREAT review, very informative and from an everyday point of view. Thank you both for your time and effort.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I want to thank the both of you for putting on quality, bingeworthy content on! I digg the mellow tone and the easy explenations! it has helped me very much to settle on what i think is the perfect speakers for me. And that is the Focal 826. I love the range and the fun they bring, now i just need to power them properly without going bankrupt😂🤪 keep it up! Stay safe! I wish you both all the best! PS! I have been with you since the start!
Even when I am not in the market for a particular item I will listen to your review because it is so fun to hear it. Love the channel guys.
While multichannel isn’t my thing anymore, I do appreciate this beast! It’s a very attractive “receiver”.
@Dixie Pepper Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
I've never had an issue with a receiver/ versus separates, except when it comes to versatility. But. In today's world, with the proliferation of outboard devices(dacs, headphone amps, phono stages, etc) it becomes almost a foregone conclusion. In my system, for example, I have a Yamaha V1700 receiver that has 185 WPC into 8 ohms, its a 5.1 surround processor, its HDMI capable, has a sub out and a pre out, phone stage etc. It worked fine for me, up.until I got my Magnaplan MGlls. It was a 1200.00 receiver new, and gave me all of the connectivity that I could have wanted. I bought(at your recommendation) the Crown XLS drivecore 2 series power amplifier, and am using the Yamaha as a pre-amp and am very pleased with the sound. I am contemplating the purchase of an outboard Dac now. The versatility of any component should be a primary concern when purchasing it. That being said, the 5 grand pricetag of this Rotel would be prohibitive in my mind for my own system, and someone who is looking for simplicity, I would think, would also consider it so also. Thats a hefty pricetag for a receiver. Period. Thank you for your comprehensive review as always. I love the way that you and Christy always break things down. Sincerely, it is illuminating and appreciated
I use a YAMAHA entry level 5.1 receiver that cost me $279 CANADIAN DOLLARS. It is very good. Amazing Yamaha can make an AV receiver at this price that's this good. The ROTEL you reviewed is around $6400 CANADIAN DOLLARS. There is no way it is worth over 20 X as much. A very limited few will buy this piece but maybe that's Rotel's plan ....sell less to rich people who only buy expensive things to impress family and friends with Rotel making a huge gross margin on each sale. There is an old audio retailer saying .."if you sell to the CLASSES, you'll eat with the MASSES"......PS: I LOVE your reviews, keep up the good work.
To answer your question, this non-receiver is for someone that has that much money to spend on it, and listens to music more than watches movies. Probably old school and plays multichannel SACD’s and A-DVD’s. I actually have the Rotel RSP 1572 and Rotel RSP 1066 (didn’t get rid of when I replaced it with the 1572. I use a Bryston 4B for front L and R, and a three channel Parasound for C and Surrounds. I don’t use a sub, because I have four-way 2.9 NHT’s, which have 10 inch side firing woofers that go down to 26Hz. I mostly find my self lowering the volume on explosions, because my neighbor says that the dishes in her cabinets rattle when I watch movies… Thanks for sharing the review.
Got this Rotel a year ago at a nice (40%) discount, and like it a lot in currently a 5.1 setup (Wharfedale Elysian 2 fronts, Elysian Center, EVO4S rear speakers, REL S/510 sub). Using my fronts for stereo as well (Musical Fidelity Nu Vista 600 amp, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE dac), so I was looking for a musical and powerful AV "receiver", to get the most out of my speakers for home cinema as well. And this 1580MKII delivers.
This one tickled my curiosity! I could give it a try at a lower price. The brand is great!
One of the most beautiful all in one recievers I have seen, just gorgeous in silver.
When my wife looks over my shoulder and sees I'm watching one of your videos, she goes..not again..what are we buying now? 😂
Well growing up in Germany 1st graders discuss if a BMW is better than a Mercedes and they are probably both great cars, but you can just appreciate one of them. For me the Rotel is the piece where I rest my eyes on when I listen to music and I relax, no matter how hard the day was. I had three different ones by now, but this is what I enjoy. Other gear might be great too or less pricy, but that is my luxury that I feel to owe myself - even without eARC.
We are not in this because we want to spend the money wisely. At least I am not. ;)
Finally... Here comes the era of Multi-Channel AV AMPs that can do 2ch audio too.
- That was the dream!
Thanks guys & thanks ROTEL 👍
@@Spock105 Not even close... The only thing those ancient things have were "more power" and that's it.
With built-in Tuner sections and low quality AMPs/Components/Transformers your experience will be far, far away !
One thing I find interesting is that audiophiles don't seem to question why a two channel amp costs thousands and thousands of dollars, but when a company comes out with a high end home theater receiver it's questioned as to why it's so expensive because there are cheaper options. The funniest part is that home theater receivers generally pack a lot more technology inside than simple two channel, but the expectation is that you shouldn't overpay in the home theater realm.
The technology isn't relevant to 2 channel music, so it doesn't really apply. I have a very expensive HT system and it doesn't sound anywhere near as good as lesser priced 2 channel systems. For movies its great, for music only its way overpriced.
If you have a chance go to one of the high end audio shows, make the trip. Listen to some good 2 channel gear, you'll see what everyone's talking about. It's too hard to put into words. You have to experience it for yourself.
The ideal customer I see for this is the more well-to-do audiophile who succumbs to pressure from his family to integrate home theater into his hifi(hey, you got chocolate in my peanut butter!). Here you have a convenient, good sounding, component with none of the fru-fru that other, tech-obsessed receivers or processors come with. Fairly easy to set up and integrate into an existing system or base a new on off of. So I see this more of an old man’s(or woman’s)surround amp than any of the new guard.
I purchased a complete Mission system, Preamp, amp, speakers 770's in 1969. I still enjoy this system and I can appreciate the return of the 770 speakers.
The non-sexy answer is correct. We seem to judge AV receivers via a cost-benefit analysis that we don’t apply to regular audiophile amps. Sometimes people have the money and are willing to spend it. I’d rather have the NAD though,
Any chance you will review the Arcam AVR20 Lineup?
A lot of the time you will compare AVR's to the NAD T778, and while a great unit, I feel that in said price category the AVR20 should definitely be a consideration.
The T778 is better looking, and has the touchscreen, but the AVR20 adds 5 more channels of processing, up to 4 dedicated separate sub channels, class A/B amp, and dirac live bass management, for 900$ more, which is substantial, but not as much as the Rotel 1580 costing 1900$ more.
It's really impressive how you keep up with all these many reviews, fantastic! I would really like to rent some of the amps you've reviewed, can't have them all but it would be fun to try 'em all out.
Well, we really appreciate you continuing to tune in and for being a member!
I was thinking the same thing. These two have to come up with a basic script to work from with each review. There's a lot of detail to provide in an organized fashion. Plus I'm guessing they shoot re-takes. Let's hope they don't start storyboarding. :)
Then there's the constant swapping of components and reading of manuals.
@@jimgardner5129 It's like a virtuoso musician who only gives the impression of easy going because he works hard at it. I am still contemplating on how to do a little review for some vintage myself but afters months haven't moved anything further beyond a first script. It is really hard to comprehend how much work Kristi and Andrew are putting into each video.
I get so much joy out of watching this channel,for two years or so now.
Great video as always! I’m more of a two channel guy, though I have a home theater setup, but I never miss any of your videos because they are so well done, informative and entertaining.
Good to see you in the comments, Sean. It's been a minute.
@@KristiWright Thanks, Kristi! Always here, always watching. You guys are so great!
Somewhat new viewer here… hi! Gotta say, I think there's a huge value in your 'bonus content' with Christie(sp??) which makes your channel different, and more engaging than many other 'white dude audio review' channels. I kiiiinda skip ahead to the end for that dialogue.
Thank you so much, CM Harrington! We appreciate you watching.
For me, the price is prohibitive but I love the simplicity. I became exhausted several years ago with the constant need to upgrade and the complexity of some audio and HT components. I just jumped back in and I went with an Enclave system for HT. I am still looking at home audio. The Rotel wins my "yes" vote (if I were looking) for simplicity of use and my "no" vote for price point.
I’ve got the Rotel RSX-1550 powering my B&W center and surrounds with their RB-1582 200x2 amp for my man B&W tower speakers for the past 12 years. With dual Hsu Research subs. The watts per channel on these are 100 watts with all channels driven all the time unlike other receivers that will peak 2 channels at their spec’d watts. I never get tired of the sound this makes. I think this 5.1 setup sounds just as good and dimensional as any Atmos setup.
But if/ when I do upgrade I’ll probably get this new Rotel receiver.
But wow at $5k got to decide… this receiver? Or Eames lounge chair? Lol
Getting one after I win the lotto this Saturday in Australia.
How would you compare it to the Arcam AVR30?
I have a 15 year old Arcam AVR300, which is a real 7 x 100wpc and sounds great - very powerful bass and some warmth on the top end. The AVR30’s Class G amplification should sound even better. I haven’t heard any Rotel products for comparison.
@@akka143 I think you’re just fine with your current Arcam. Unless you want to go to high end 2 channel, then Rotel’s Michi brand is pretty damn awesome except for Bluetooth only wireless connection (no Airplay or Chromecast currently).
Added to my collection, I currently have a rotel rsx 1067. It is such an engaging unit to listen to. All of the music nuances comes thru. So yeahhh rotel all de wayyy
A multi in and pre out is worth a lot more than a HDMI input to me. I'll probably be watching a lot more of this channel because the focus is "largely analog".. my boxes are ticked.
I have not experienced this but I am damn sure this rotel is a top notch reciever
Loved the review. I am not the one that can drop the 💲💰💲💰 for this, but a great buy for someone like you said that's looking for a analog system upgrade. Great job 👍👍🤟🤟👍👍🤘🤘
Hi Andrew, in the comparison section the Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A3080 wasn't mentioned. From a power amp perspective, it didn't sound like the Yamaha would be in the same class. However, with its features and functionality, it does things the Rotel lacks; e.g. full room correction, streaming music. Having owned an RX-V2600 for many years, I can't imagine how much better the Rotel would have to sound in order to get me to pay over double plus as compared to a 3080. As always, thanks.
@andrewrobinson, what are your thoughts on firestick/cubes, chromecasts, and rokus as audio streamers to your stereo or receivers? Would that be a worthwhile video for budget streamers. Thanks as always for the vids.
I am totally sold on both the ROTEL as well as the speakers. Now I just need find a buyer for my apartment ☺️
Good afternoon Mr. and Mrs. I think that this component is of the Audiophile/ Home-Theater ilk, BUT only in terms of a limited space. If I can clarify and by that I mean it offers just enough ports and scalability for a medium to semi-large room. It only offers two balanced connections and for me, just like you said it really could not be the true hub to a serious home theater. I think that it falls in the category of those Integra products such as the DRX 5.3 with the differences would be pricing, and it is 9.2
Very different and great review..!
And the way you explained everything specially 2 channel part is amazing.
Keep up the good work
Good to know you found it helpful! Thanks for tuning in today.
I believe it's aimed at audiophile types that don't wish to deal with a lot of confusion and love its architecture. AND may house it in a medium sized room where fewer components and fewer speakers is the preferred option. (This makes my Mrs happy.)
I'm a 5.1 / 5.2 fan and audiophile wannabe who enjoys audio in a smaller space and this product fits the bill perfectly.
Is $5,000 too much for 5 channels of solid 100w AB power? You'd have to tell me. Plus, I think it's quite beautiful provided one can dim the screen.
I wonder how this receiver compares to the Denon AVR x8500h
Hello, I go directly to the question, what is your opinion about Arcam AV 40 is this processor worth it or is there any other option closer to what I could consider as more "advanced". Thank you so much .
At $5,000 that Rotel could be considered really expensive, until I realized that in the 70's I thought nothing of spending $1500 on an Apple ][ Plus computer, that couldn't print anything, had no lower case on the keyboard, no floppy or hard drive and could only show 8 colors at a time. Adjusted for inflation that would be over $6,000 today.
This unit appeals to me. I have a rotel class A/B power amp in my 2 channel set up and it is killer. I think this unit is aimed and people who are mostly 2 channel music listeners but want some HT capability. As you noted, most HT receivers are computers with a class D amplifier all wrapped in a black box. The Rotel is not that.
Very informative and timely review for me.
I’m in the process of updating my system and, sadly, the weak link in my system is now the 10 yo Integra prepro. Even more difficult is that it’s built like a tank and is even more durable.
So should I get a near state of the art (Anthem and below) receiver mix with my current 5 channels class D amp or replace it with a near state of the art prepro?
And which would you recommend for either?
Thank you for any help.
If you already own a separate 5 channel amp, then my advice would be to purchase another stand-alone processor rather than a receiver. No need to replace your amplifier(s) if they're working and you like them. So shop for a preamp/processor in this instance. I believe Rotel makes one, as do many other brands. I've been quite impressed with the XMC-2 lately, though its setup and menus are TERRIBLE. However, sound wise it's up there with some of the better or best two channel preamps honestly. That would be my advice.
I can only dream of products like these. But god does rotel entice me🥵
It's so pretty!
Why? It has no HDMI 2.1! No HDCP 2.3! Only a 5.1.2 Surround setup! It has also no virtual formats like Virtual X or Auro 3D and is a 1000 bugs more expensive as the danon 8500 H/A. I hope its good for Musik
I think you nailed it in the bonus chat with saying this unit is the Analog Audiophile’s AV brain.
👍❤️🔥I just love your reviews I look forward to them all the time I also brought many components thanks to you and the Mrs. LOL👍👌
What is a better ARV at this moment for this price or lower? I have the Rotel RAP 1580mk2, but it has a defect, and the dealer offers a replacement or I can choose another ARV.
I would think that this Rotel is one of the best. But personal preference may make you also consider the Arcam AVR31 or the equivalent from Anthem. I believe the Arcam would be a warmer sound, whereas the Rotel may have more sparkle in the sound.
@@youngjun91 I ended up buying a Arcam AVR30 :-) Love it so far, although, it just had its first software hick up, I can't re-install my DIRAC measurement anymore. So maybe have to do a factory reset this weekend, and start fresh. (I do have Live Bass Control installed as well).
Great review! 👍
I own the Yamaha rx-v6a but I'm missing clarity in the mids and especially in the high tones when listening in stereo. Also missing punch in the bass.
So, how are these in the Rotel?
Yes it’s quite expensive. But it’s also REALLY good looking and if it sounds and works as as good as it looks, I could possibly pull the trigger on one.
I had a couple of Rotel amps and was very satisfied with their look and performance. I sold my Parasound C2 and went with a Yamaha 2068 receiver this time around. Now I'm contemplating going back to the separates since I will never listen to AM/FM on any device other than the Bose Wave radio downstairs anymore. However, receivers like this does cause vacillation... Thanks!
I think the 1580 mkii is for the customer who is accustomed to high end audio components , that is either downsizing or simplifying the user ability of their system. It’s like the Boxter of the Porsches.....
This sounds about right to me.
Thanks for another great review! It boggles my mind that companies are still not making receivers with hdmi 2.1. I get that 8k is still not widespread but we’re already living in a time where current gen gaming consoles outputting at 4K 120fps is the norm… let alone in 2-5 years. I’m still having to earc my videogame through the tv to my t778 while I cross my fingers hoping for an hdmi module that isn’t outdated :(
Hopefully NAD will release a new module that will give you 8K and 4K/120 without having to buy a new receiver. Thanks for watching!
Great point, you’d expect some level of future proofing at this price point
The only major drawbacks I saw based on the review were the lacking e-arc and the lack of full 9.2.4 outputs. It's fine if you have to add more amp channels but if it caps out at less than full format it limits the implementation into a serious theater room, and it shouldn't, especially when the base unit is as good as you say.
Rotel is one of those products that I jump at the chance to buy used - it's got it's function and will do it best for 30+ years. Its a buy & forget it product, a final "thank god I've found it for way less than MSRP holy crap" much like some of the older Marrantz AVR's. You can always add on a streamer or a 4k hdmi expander for cheap, this is a "build out from me" AVR.
Great review, detailed and honest as usual. Are we going to see a MICHI review in the future?
We currently do not have a MICHI review on the schedule but things can and do change, so stay tuned. Thanks for watching!
I must say, compare it to an Arcam avr :). Now that would be VERY interesting.
Love the hometheater reviews, keep it up!
We tried to get Arcam in for review but so far they haven't had any units available to send us according to their marketing reps.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews could be that they have been very buggy and uses that as an excuse...:/ But recently they have stabilized the firmware and I really am cheering for you to get one to test out :)! Well you are your own boss and I like pretty much all reviews you do..
Thats a hell of gear, wow! Thanks Andrew and Kristi =)
Thank you so much, Chrischy Schindler! We appreciate you watching.
Great to hear a HT receiver review. I have been looking for one that would be good for music. I have many records and concerts remastered in 5.1 and love to hear it in the best without a bank of expensive equipment!
Too much competition these days. Look at what Yamaha just came out with at $2200 with it's performance and features at less then half the price. Also, Anthem just came out with an incredible AV receiver with similar quality amplification and way more features for $4000. This Rotel just doesn't seem like a good buy for significant majority of customers looking for a quality AV receiver. It lacks features and is too expensive in that price range for what it offers.
I have the Rotel 1576 MKII preamp/processor which I assume is essentially 1/2 of the 1580 MKII. I purchased it to replace my Proceed AVP 2, a high end pre/pro in its day with Mark Levinson digital components. The Rotel is the equal of the Proceed in musical sound quality. It's a joy to listen to music in 2 channel stereo up to 5.1.2 in Dolby Atmos or 7 channel stereo. Using my Marantz UD7007 I can play almost every high definition audio format. I have a collection of DVD Audio and SACD disks along with many audiophile CDs. I couldn't be happier than I am now with the Rotel for music. I whole heartedly recommend it for the multi-channel audiophile.
Movie soundtracks also sound excellent but must admit that I am sometimes confused as to what I am actually getting. Is it uncompressed or not. The Rotel doesn't help much in this department as the information it provides is very limited. It doesn't have eARC so what is coming through the ARC channel? My Sony smart TV has a setting for Dolby Digital Plus which is supposed to pass Atmos compressed if I understand correctly. The Rotel gives no indication of a DD Plus soundtrack; it merely indicated 5.1, 48 kHz which I assume is simply DD. Is Atmos matrixed onto the 5.1 soundtrack? I watched the Tom Hanks movie Greyhound from Apple + the other day and it sounded fantastic giving my 5.1.2 system a real workout. But what was I listening to is the question. If you can help please respond. I know that a simple solution is to get an Apple TV and feed it directly to the Rotel to get full Atmos, but I would rather not add another thing to my system at the moment. I enjoy the functionality of the Sony smart TV. I have also found that it is functionally preferable to feed the HDMI inputs directly to the TV rather than the Rotel. The system performs much better without the HDMI glitches that occur when feed into the Rotel.
I mean no eARC is a huge issue. I can go without 2.1 as eARC is a perfect workaround for source to TV and audio return. However I really want that rich sound quality with that deep power you feel and hear. One of my options are the Arcam AVR20/30 which should be competitors to this in terms of sound quality but with more features but no one seems to do a decent review.
Hey Andrew, nice video and review but you didn’t say anything about the “center back channel” though it’s special to this receiver because many other receivers don’t have this feature. So please can you say something about how it sounds or works? Thanks
Beware, the RAP1580MK2 was apparently discontinued in November 2022 with no announced replacement. As an owner of one of these, I can tell you the Rotel support is lacking as of late, no doubt since they’re leaving the AV receiver space
I have the same problem, have to send in my RAP 1580MK2 for the second time, due to problems with ethernet connection and firmware updates. Sound wise it is a great AV, plus Dirac is a must nowadays.
I got this unit nog too long ago and the sound is amazing with my 702s2 towers. The only thing im having an issue with is the ARC. Does it not turn on and off with ARC? If so i cant find the setting.
Sorry but this Avr does not support arc
Thank you both for the great info!
Our pleasure!
My Rotel Integrated RSX 1065 has lasted me 18 years and still going strong. I've loved it but soon want to replace. I like the brand and have toyed with separates but love the single box and looks (I'm superficial I guess). Would love to hear my Rega 8 with a Hana MC cart play records through this beast.
Brought a Rotel and Nad receiver home for a blind test, not this particular Rotel but I find they stay relatively the same in overall sound impressions between models. The Rotel was clean, separation and soundstage was better but felt a little antiseptic and less involving than the Nad which had more warmth and an overall fuller sound. My wife liked the sound of the Nad better so you can guess which we stayed with. I had also tried Adcom and Arcam and found their sound more to my liking and somewhere in between the Rotel and Nad as Nad can be accused of a bit too lush but they were a bit out of my price range at the time.
I believe this Rotel Powered Processor (that’s how I chose to call it) sits like in between the AVR and PRE-PRO / separates world. It certainly serves a small niche of people but it’s MSRP is way too much. For 5K you can get into separates like Emotiva or Monoprice with the convenience of adding channels as you grow your setup.
Did you just steal my conclusion 😂. Thanks for tuning in!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews let’s say that we just had the same conclusion. 😎😂
Bingo Kristy. Who is this for? My thought through the entire review. I have a dedicated theater and a Naim audio stereo. Clearly not for me. Denon makes amazing receivers for half the price. Many companies make wonderful stereo amps for way less. I think that a person looking for a combined movie / music setup might like it. The price is killer. Love your videos from BOTH of you.
The issue that many people find is that stereo amplifiers are for listening to music and lack the ability to push base and mid to the level of home theatre and the problem with home theater systems is they lack good range across all the bands of frequency.
Some people just want a really good system that can do both and there are very few options out there for them.
@@bighands69 yes, that's a really good point and why I have two separate systems. Through I know that not everyone can or even wants to do that. The reality is that the requirements of music and movie soundtracks are, as you highlight, very different. One of my first learnings on this road was that every decision is a balancing act of compromises. There's no perfect system and specs really are not how we can make decisions.
It's expensive, but with multi-channel analog (RCA) inputs for the SACD/DVD-A crowd, Atmos capability, Dirac live (upgradeable) and separates-quality sound, it's seems to hit every need for an audiophile who loves movies too.
for the same money one can get separates
I bought an old Denon 4806 for $450 on Ebay about 5yrs ago for its analog inputs and hdmi inputs/ouput and absolutely love this beast! Playing multichannel DSD via denon link with ability to do bass mgmt in the digital domain sounds amazing. Then I picked up an old Pioneer BDP-09fd and play surround blueray through its Wolfson dacs in dual mode connect to my Denons external inputs. I agree about analog and am in to 5.1 music and it seems like older AVs and BD players allow you to do that better than most newer stuff (BD players today expect the use of hdmi and dont come with hi end dacs or multichannel outputs) Also. Denon is 140 watts per channel 7.1. Is there any advantage at all for the audiophile to spend 5k on a new AV? Older receivers still do the usual THX etc theatre stuff. Just curious because I'm certainly no expert but love my vintage late 2ks components made back when sacd, dvd audio and blueray surround music was still a thing. Rotel obviously new and better than an old Denon but still I have about 4 different dacs to choose from besides my Denon's burr browns. Does Rotel do anything different hi-res audio wise from a much older high end AV. Slightly better bass mgmt Dirac > Audessey and if you want Atmos music is all I can see.
An absolutely gorgeous system that financially makes one want to commit a felony to own one!!🤣🤣
I would venture to say that Rotel has a better understanding of how to attain their desired profit margin on this product. I doubt the retail cost is arbitrarily high. Recall the MKIIs are implementing design and components from their MICHI line. That's expensive (and super high quality) stuff! They may be planning for price to roll off (haha) down the line, but I'm doubting it's priced that way "just because."
I really dont understand who this is made for. The price tag is so obscenely high, that it competes with flagship from denon and marantz and more, which im not sure about the marantz, but the denon sounds great. On top of that, even though beautiful, it's functionality seems limiting. Like 7.1 channels is good and all, but like, for 5k, you could buy 20 yamaha 7.1 tsr receivers.
I love the bench/component stand you have for the Rotel what brand is that? 😊
I have the Denon AVR-X3700H, Am looking to get a External amplifier, My top 2 choices are this Rotel 1585, Or The Emotiva XPA-DR3 Reference Three-Channel Power Amplifier, I know the Rotel 1585 has 5ch at 200 watts per ch at 8omh, And the Emotiva is a 3ch at 450watts per ch at 8omh, Any recommendations?
I'm just happy to see something other than a Denon. I just don't get their appeal anymore.
Now that I think about it I'm still using my 49 TX from Pioneer Elite and that makes mince meat out of most products out today but I love the look of the rotel I paid $1200 dollars 5 years after it's release for my pioneer elite still using it to this day and I still love it.
I just bought a used but mint Rotel RAP 1580 but haven’t settled on a 5.1 setup. Based on your reviews would you go: KEF Q350/250/150, Monitor Bronze, or B&W 606 series??? SVS Micro sub. Small room 14x10, watching lots of movies, listening to jazz, hip hop, copious Radiohead. Cheers and thanks for a really brilliant channel!!
Andrew quick question for you, in your review you said the Rotel is one of the best that you have to just turn on a source and have automatically turn everything online to make it so easy to use. I have a 9.2 Denon that worked that way for 2years but now you turn on att tv or Apple TV and it just sits there no picture or sound. I guess I need something simple that will always work. Is the Rotel the only one that meets the aoutmagic needs?
what a beautiful receiver
handsome unit
Enjoyed today, Im more of a detailed setup and picky guy. I really do love the abilities of the Emotiva products. Complex is fine by me. Setup time is rewarded!
I loved my SR9600 but after a few years i went to separates and never looked back. Now the AV8802A runs the show with multiple amps
10:18 I have the rotel RAP1580MK2 and I can't find this "fast start-up" option anywhere in the menu. Where is it supposed to be?
Are you happy with it?
@@davidsilva3567 no, unfortunately not. The sound is amazing, but the device's display gets stuck very often. I find little to less on the Internet about this issue and also here in the video it is just mentioned "by the way". The dealer sent me the third device already and rotel themselves say the device needs reparation. If the AVR would operate normally I would recommend it despite missing features because of the amazing sound quality, but it has a lot of issues if you read through the Forums, so no recommendation.
@@Roflcopter1988hi, I’m considering this amp processor, a factory refurbished for a really good price and a 5 year warranty. When your display gets stuck, what do you need to do to get it back working normal again?
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The display was stuck every time I turned it on the first time (of the day for example). Then turning it off and on again solved the issue for now, but the issue would appear the next day again. There was no certainty, sometimes it would just start right and sometimes turning it off and on would not fix it.
Considering I had 3 devices and almost nothing to find on the internet and official support, it came to my mind that something else must be the cause, EMI for example. I unplugged more and more connections (digital and analogue) over time until I just had the speakers connected and the TV with an optical SPDIF (no EMI over optical transmission). Still the display got stuck. Then I suspected the power source to be the problem, since the house is a bit older. I wanted to measure the power line with an oscilloscope, but that's dangerous if you don't know 100% what you're doinig, because in the wrong constellation you can bypass the ELCB (german FI) circuit breaker. I plugged the Rotel into an other power outlet which I was sure would come from a different fuse. That was the last thing I did before I gave up. Then as mentioned the display got stuck less and less, so MAYBE that solved the issue, but I can't be sure about that.
There are devices (Voltage Regulators?) to protect Audio Hardware from voltage variation on the power line, but they're very expensive.
@@S.E.729 Hi, haven't checked my notifications about replies in a while...
In the meanwhile the problem solved itself. I don't know exactly why, but the issue became more rare over time and at some point didn't occure anymore at all. During the time the Rotel had the issue I needed to turn the device off and on again.
I also got the device as refurbished for a good price and for that I think It's a solid choice, but not for full price (also not wihtout the display issue).
Agree with the piano black. Just a no no home theater applications. 80lb center channel? Holy cow. Happy sunday and fathers day to everyone out there
It's a big one!! Thanks for hanging with us, AT.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews always!! My home theater was dominating last night. Just all kinds of awesome. The kind of experience that left me not wanting to upgrade for a while
At $5k this is a really hard sell even if it's really good sound-wise and looks great. Those that are willing to spend that much... Need HDMI 2.1 and more than 7 channels for Atmos/DTS X.
How does this match up with the new Anthem line of products?
That I cannot say. We have reached out to Anthem and so far have not gotten a response. You can always let them know you would like to see their products on the channel.
I personally prefer the sound of Anthems receivers over Rotels. And are far better value when it comes to price. I was thinking of upgrading when the new models launched this year but the lack of HDMI 2.1 support was a deal breaker. I'll keep using my current Anthem until they support that format. But sound can't be beat.
There was one thing that always surprised me about Rotel and that was how well that they carried their particular house sound through out their product line. And how that house sound was fairly consistent from year to year. I like the way that Rotel has pared down all the complexity of elaborate menus and such.
I love this thing, just hard to justify the price when it doesn't have 4k 120hz/8k since I have my pc connected to my tv this way, and at that price I would prefer being a tad more future proofing than 1 year. Been hoping it would go on sale but it didn't in Canada during black friday...
I've been researching the hell out of avr's and separates since August when I discovered how bad my basic yamaha rx-v679 sounds in comparison to anything else I have ever heard, worse so on Fyne Audio speakers...
So far it's either this, the RSP-1576MKII with a 5 channel amp or take a chance on the NAD 778 and maybe adding a 3 channel amp down the line.
Of course I have changed my mind so many times I could even end up with an x3700h with a nice used 3 channel parasound amp lol!
Best 3.1 amp?
I hope as a comparison you're able to audition one of the new Anthem MRX AV receivers.
“Who would buy this?” Sort answer potentially me! Long answer - I run a dedicated 2 channel separates Rotel in a dedicated room - and trying to listen to music on a movie receiver pushed me down this path - currently building a new home it will have a dedicated room for the 2 channel set up- but this would be a good fit for the larger open plan living , dining and kitchen area so I can have a great movie experience and also enjoy quality music at that end of the house , it’s simple to use - so I’m interested in it because as you mentioned it dose both music and video really well - and currently not listed on the Australian site 😢- house is a few more months away so maybe a later release here - some research required
Thanks for sharing your answer and I hope you are able to find one soon!
@@KristiWright thanks - did some digging- good news - yes it’s available down here in Australia- and as suspected the price / exchange rate in Aussie dollars is an additional 30% ( like most Hifi/ electronics ) ….. just how to purchase this and not let the wife see the bill 😉