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HIGH SPIN, LOW LAUNCH WEDGE SHOT // TOUR EQUIPMENT HACK with a SPECIAL GUEST!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ส.ค. 2024
- This simple equipment change can help you get that high spin, low launch wedge shot just like the pros.
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Great times working on this video. Showed me a lot I never realized. Thanks AJ
Thanks for all your help!
Y’all two are my favorites!!! Love watching both of you and to come across a video with both I hit the jackpot! So, AJ if I am hitting a graphite shaft at 65 grams in Regular flex, you’re saying same 65 gram shaft in my wedges trimmed to stiff flex?
Have dg 105 stiff in my 4-9, dg 115 stiff in my 48, and put dg 120 x100 8 iron shafts per your guidance in my sand and lob and it's been a noticable difference in full and partial swings both in feel and ability to hold greens. Thanks so much for this "secret"
Howard is the man. Kudos to you for giving him proper credit
This is good stuff. I had this same problem. I'm a high speed player (120 clubhead on driver) but couldn't even get 1 hop and stop on wedges with 8 iron DG S400. Went to a stiffer shaft and just like you showed got my launch down to 30* and spin went up about 2,700rpm. Good to see some Maltby on the channel. Golfworks makes great stuff like those TSWs. Their flagship Tour TC driver is a rocket launcher. Great customer service and products.
The Maltby stuff is great. And it's incredibly helpful to have quality components to use when I do these sort of tests/experiments.
always wondered about this concept... Thanks for the experiment. Mr SG is cool, too...
Interesting shaft adjustment. I’ll look into picking up a couple shafts for my wedges. I’m looking forward to watching your channel AJ.
Matt's swing so silky smooth!! Can't watch the swing enough! Amazing hack, AJ, thank you!
Tiger stepping, nice
Based on Howards post associated with this trick. Since the shortest shaft made by DG is a 9 iron length you are supposed to use that shaft and tip trim. Information from his post on Golfwrx.. "#4 - If #9 is the shortest and stiffest iron shaft like it is for many models.
Use the #9 iron shaft, and Tip trim it "2 shafts stronger" = 1.0 to 1,25" - REAMING OF THE HOSEL TO 0.370 NEEDED ON TAPER TIP"
Mr. Short game brought you a new subscriber.
Thanks AJ, your videos are very insightful. I watch just to learn new stuff every time new content comes out.
Great colaboration! Love Matt’s Chanel too!
I incorporated this with my 50° and 60°. I used X stiff graphite shafts. The spin on my 60 was consistently 9-10k rpm. 80-85 carry. Unreal results. Not expecting those kinds of numbers.
Love it. The higher the loft the more effect you can see, at least in terms of spin numbers.
Awesome equipment hack AJ.... but arent all those spin numbers very low even the x100? Shouldn't a wedge spin waaay more then that even with a wedge shaft??
It’s hard to believe that this could just be a matter of delivered loft at impact. If that were true, then a 7 iron would spin more than an 8 iron. It could instead be that the shaft flex is also affecting the angle of attack. The more flexible shaft will have a less steep angle of attack, which will give you a lower spin. Imagine that shaft flexing forward through the strike. That would definitely make the angle attack less steep.
Excellent video! But.... you never mentioned the effect on distance, when launching lower with more spin....
Distance came out the same, within a few yards.
@@EFGMCwhat about apex
Super interesting. Very good video. Thanks!
So basicly. Every tipstiff "low spin shaft" becomes a high spin shaft if you install them into your wedge. 😊👌
Yeah, the question becomes is there something stiffer that you can substitute in, and for most people the answer is yes.
Nice vid AJ and fun to see this concept in video format and not just WRX threads! Would love to see a similar video using a Tiger Stepped gap wedge
Howard Jones = Club Fitting/Building/teaching GOAT
Agree!
Yes, I would love to try out one of these wedges. I am intrigued. I walked away from a 60 degree as I just kept skying the shots. The lower trajectory would be most welcome. Thanks AJ
50-54-57 is my set up throw the 60 in the garbage.lmao
@@kiplingvisintini5783 I agree about the 60, I don't see any value
Excellent ideas, I will definitely try this trick on my wedges. Thanks!
Just saw the vid w Mr short game. Great video I’d like a club like that !!
Interesting concept thanks for your time and expertise!🙏
Mr short game needs to get that 57 deg launching between 25-29 degrees not matter what shaft. 🤞
D2 is very light swing weight for higher lofted wedges like 56-60
This would have never occured to me. Gonna have to give this a try.
pretty interesting stuff... thx for sharing. Now a new subscriber.
Thanks AJ, your videos are very helpfull, lookiing to seeing more.
Great video learned a lot about this small difference could make this much difference Mahalo’s
Watched it on both channels... Cheers
Interesting. I thought AJ was based out of Northern Michigan and Mr. Shortgame was out of Atlanta. I wonder how that made this happen? Oh well. Great video!
I'm everywhere!
Some interesting stuff, really makes me want to play around with clubs.
Very interesting concept. Awesome video
Great video AJ but I would ask you to look into the forward deflection a bit. My understanding is that is a camera illusion due to the head travelling faster than the shaft. Good insights though I definitely am pulling those shafts 👍
That can happen as seen in that famous Tiger driver image from 15 years ago with a foot of forward deflection. However with high speed shutters and ultra slow motion video, we can see exactly what is happening with no artifacts or distortions.
New sub! Learned about you from the collaboration with MSG.
Fingers crossed I win a wedge!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge!!
Welcome to the channel. Thanks for the support!
@@EFGMC you bet!!
I had two wedges shafted with KBS tour c taper x shafts and hit unbelievable and I play 105 gram dynamic gold's so much different shafts. Clubs got stolen and bought the same wedges with KBS wedge flex shafts and nowhere near the same.
Great video AJ. thanks
Didn’t see this result coming, but a great test. So this begs the question: how do you apply this overall concept in an iron fitting? For instance do I hit a head, then try shafts, then hard or soft step to adjust to spin or decent? Then swing weight? Any thoughts on approach? Maybe a video for this ;-) as I’m about to start testing.
It really appears that the wedges will actually see the biggest change from this method, more so than irons or even drivers, specifically because of that high loft.
Irons will usually see more of a launch up = spin up kind of result.
Drivers are really more dependent on vertical strike location on the face. This brings gear effect into the equation.
This was a great informative video!
Cheers AJ… interesting stuff.. 👍
very interesting will try this out!
Luv this,, l will definitely try this
Great video with Mr. Short Game. I don't have Instagram and would love to win! :)
Great idea
That’s some interesting info! 👍🏼
Thanks great info!
This was way more eye opening than I anticipated. As a former wannabe on the pro circuit I have Dynamic Gold X100 shafts in my Titleist blades. I can no longer "load the shaft" because they are too heavy. Back in the day 20 years ago no problem, now not happening. On top of that the lofts of today's equipment is way stronger than it was then. Fascinating and I will be messing around with this. I like that Modus Nippon shaft 105 gram.
I was just looking at my own numbers to compare. Now my head speed was slightly higher at 85 but my launch angle with a standard shaft was 23.5* average so either my swing has considerably more shaft lean or I don't know what. Spin numbers were definitely much higher I had some in the 11k range. Average in the 8500.
When I purchased my MP59's, I added a 50deg gap wedge fitted with a KBS Hi-Rev. I believe they did the same thing and used an 8i shaft.
That Hi-Rev confuses me a bit. I have not tested one but when you read the description, they talk about a more active tip section (much like DG Spinner) which we show here to not be what you want. Do you find you get better spin numbers with it?
@@EFGMC I did not hit it on a launch monitor prior to pulling it so I can't answer that question. I now have S400 shafts in all my dedicated wedges. I've never been one to lack spin anyway and I don't feel like I am sacrificing any with these new shafts in these new wedges. I love these tinker and compare videos, keep them coming
Just got mr.short game video on this.
AJ did you tip trim the 8 iron shaft at all or just butt cutt?? Great video and Howard rocks!
Only butt cut for this method.
@@EFGMC Thanks for responding.... Im going to try it!!
Very nice. Thanks.
I don't do Instagram though...
I am curious of the carry distance. One thing I have found is I want low launch, high spin so I have more control. Right now my wedges will balloon. My previous gap wedge with tp5x was spinning 13,000 rpms. Just ballooning. Rtx-4 with a s400 has so far been my best performance on control and spin without launching to high. I am looking at redoing my wedge setup. I currently play the Haywood MBs 4-PW with kbs tour 120 stiff standard length, 2 deg flat. PW is 46 deg. Thinking of 50,54,58 for the wedges. What would you recommend?
Enjoyed the video would love a wedge
Insightful 👏
I’d love to try these out. I struggle with a high ball flight.
I guess some tour pros are so savy with their swing they use softer shafts in the wedges compared to the irons. Some who use X100 or 7.0 shafts in the irons use s400 shafts in the wedges...total opposite of whats happening here I would think as far as less deflection goes. I'm thinking they do that for better control on partial shots and chipping, bunker shots, of course those guys control trajectory like magic.
Fore sure there is some of that going on. But also plenty of pros just don't know any better. Just because they are incredible golfers, don't assume they know all the technical stuff when it comes to equipment. Same goes for the OEM reps.
Or in some cases it's just keep doing what got you there mentality. If they got to that level using a certain setup, they don't want to rock to boat!
Bob Vokey nudged Tiger to switch to S400 shafts in his wedges to provide more feel than X100. Lots of top pros play softer flex in wedges nowadays, but they also have better hands to keep the ball flighted when they need to.
Can you explain those spin rates? Those are very low for wedges (usually should be over 9000 rpm). I get the x100 spins more, but the data already seems skewed even with the regular wedge shaft.
With Mr. Shortgame it was quite cold so the spin numbers were going to be lower. The other test I referenced were with range balls so again the numbers were lower. I have zero doubt about the accuracy of either however.
Hey AJ. Are you cutting the tip or butt to get it to wedge length. thanks and great video
Butt only.
Have you tried this with a 7 iron shaft? Just wondering where this starts to fall apart. Really cool video and tip. Thanks! And Howard is pretty awesome!
I haven't. Really will just depend on where the stiffer flex shaft becomes softer than the wedge specific shaft. Once the shaft flexes more because of the wedge head weight, we lose the benefit of lower launch, higher spin.
Great video.. But you missed the opportunity to explain the soft step of the x100? The reason it plays slightly stiffer is because it has a longer tip section compared to the S400
which is what happens when you soft step a shaft. In this case it is was soft stepped twice. "spinner" wedge shafts are exactly this... Go up a flex and cut down the 8i shaft to length.
The S400 has the longer tip section before the initial step even against the 8i shaft in X100. The X100 has a wider diameter over a greater portion of the total length. It's a single soft step that we are doing here since True Temper no longer makes wedge specific DG shafts and instead uses the same shaft for any head beyond the 9 iron.
@@EFGMC umm actually DG do make a wedge specific DG S400 spinner shaft.. Currently it's exclusive to Cleveland and they still supply S200 shafts for Vokey. And if I'm not mistaken 115 wedge shafts to Callaway?
Also there is a TT School video here on TH-cam explaining the soft step and what happens when you build "spinner" wedge shafts... I miss my old DG Spinner shafts the most, so sorry they stopped making them?
@@warricklawrence2057 I have not measured all the spinner shafts TT has out now. My suspicion is that they have quantities of left over old stock that is getting re marketed. Wouldn't be the first time this has happened.
@@EFGMC No the old DG SPINNER shaft had a very distinct crease pattern just below the grip
The current S400 Spinner shaft is basically a soft stepped 8i as opposed to a S400 9i shaft trimmed to wedge length
Check out the TT website?
@@warricklawrence2057 TT no longer includes the step measurements on the website. Was there up to a year ago I think, unless they moved it.
I know both the TT and KBS websites talk about wedge shafts with a more active tip giving increased spin, but the testing I did showed exactly the opposite. Given that was only 2 golfers, but I know this has been implemented by many more with the same results.
Wondering if the ball cover lasts longer as a side effect of better compression too instead of under cutting the ball with too the normal wedge shafts.
Interesting stuff
I didn't know they had shafts for just 8 irons. I usually buy shafts marked as either for woods, irons, or hybrids.
If you have taper tip heads, you would buy taper tip shafts. These have a dedicated shaft for each club number, where as a .370 tip shaft is usually just a 41 inch blank that you tip trim for the iron number and then butt cut for length.
AJ thanks for another great video. I love my wedges but I'm concerned about the faces/grooves being worn, reducing back spin. I just did a quick look in your video library and was curious if you have a video on how to sharpen your grooves? TIA.
There are a few different re grooving tools out there. Just need to make sure you know what kind of grooves you are wanting to sharped and be aware that you may be making the wedge non conforming for tournament play it that is a concern.
I’m in!
This is interesting and makes a lot of sense…would you recommend tip-trimming the 8 iron shaft at all prior to installing in the wedges?
If you follow the method with the 8i X100, no need to tip anything. You could tip it more but not sure what benefit you would see and the shaft would feel very boardy.
@@EFGMC got it, thank you. I have a ZNE shaft in my 58 and 52 wedges and it’s been one of the best additions to my wedge setup in a long time. I’m thinking about going with the 8i shaft in my PW to get some of the benefits mentioned in your video.
@@bristowmk Remember the lower the loft gets, the less benefit you will see from this specifically with the spin.
AJ, how about a little more information on how to build the club. Do you tip it like an 8 iron and the butt trim to wedge length? Thanks.
Exactly. These were all taper tips so I bought the X100 8i specific shaft, installed straight in, and then butt cut to length.
The thing is. This person that has an 87 mph swing willl be swinging the same speed as the 80 mph swinger at specified distances.....and when the slower swinger needs more distance he will drop to a lower degree wedge and get more compression and less grazing of the ball.... I'd like to know more about your thoughts on this..... Also throw in the variable of a same length extra long wedge like Bryson's and the affect.
Bryson has had well documented issues with his wedges. The speed, lofts, and lengths all play a part in that.
Like everything in golf, there is give and take. If you never swing your wedges very hard, then the benefit of this method will be hard to see. You need to be flexing the shaft enough to get that added loft for this to make a difference. This method has been around on the tours for a long time and that is probably because they see the results from it.
If you have a 90mph driver swing speed and R flex iron shafts but Vokey wedges with S400 you are already getting as much of this effect as you ever will. The key piece I think is not only the stiffer 8i shaft, but also having the right weight and flex progression from your irons to your wedges. Too many golfers have sub 100g irons shafts but still use 130g wedge shaft and that isn't ideal.
I’m familiar with the concept here, but I want to bring attention to one thing. A spin rate of five thousand, six thousand, or anything in that range, with a 57° sand wedge, regardless of what shaft is in it, is extremely (emphasis on extremely) low. I’ll totally buy that there’s an uptick in spin, but I’m skeptical of the data being reported.
Makes sense to me
So when shafting with the eight iron shaft are you tipping the shaft or butt cutting it?
I have the exact same question.
If we are talking about taper tip .355 shafts, it's butt cut only to length. If we are talking .370 blanks, then you would tip trim with 8 iron specs then butt cut to final wedge length.
Matt is a super guy and has a great swing. Do you butt trim the shaft to a wedge length after tip trimming to an eight iron? Or tip trim to a wedge then butt trim to a wedge length? Thanks A.J.
These were taper tip, so they were manufactured to go into an 8i head. All we do is buy the right one, then install and butt trim to final length. If you are using .370 tip shafts, you have to do the tip trimming to make the flex correct for the specific iron head weight, then as with taper, butt cut to final playing length.
How exactly would this work in a shaft line like the Mitsubishi MMT where the next flex up from S is TX?
MMT has a dedicated wedge shaft length so it's not necessary to do this unless you are hard stepping the shafts. The Dynamic Gold x100 8i is used because True Temper only makes down to a 9i shaft. MMT makes down to a wedge so it doesn't require this method usually.
If you did want to use it, I would just tip trip the S wedge shaft (ie Tiger stepping) in order to achieve the same result as the 8i trick.
I Play nippon modus 120S soft stepped in my irons and 120 R flex in my current wedges so slightly lighter shaft in wedges at the moment 👎 I’m looking for new wedges what’s the difference between Modus wedge flex and a #8X be great to hear what I should expect different between the 2 before I make a purchase thanks 👍
I would say the Modus3 wedge S flex will be pretty similar to the 120 8i x flex. The x flex wedge shaft is probably more similar to the Modus 125. The R flex wedge shaft probably close to the Modus 120 stock wedge shaft in Stiff.
So, where does an X100 iron shaft guy go with his wedges for this hack? (As you know, the DG 9 and PW shafts are the same raw length/step pattern). Why do we see tour pros typically go softer in the high-lofted wedge(s)? Given: Their technique is impeccable so they can control launch.
An interesting idea. I have a surplus of wedges that might be candidates for this treatment. But (and maybe this is a really dumb question) when you trim the 8-iron shaft do you do it from the butt for length only. Thanks!
Yes, assuming the shaft is stiffer than what is in the irons, we are butt trimming only. All the shafts I used in these videos were .355 taper, so you are only ever butt trimming them, as they are factory designed for a specific iron head. You could do the same thing with the stiffer version in a 9/PW shaft but that would make the shaft play significantly stiffer whereas the 8 iron won't feel quite so "boardy".
@@EFGMC You’re the man AJ! Setting up my flighted wedge this week
I believe thats why Tiger has his wedges set up like that.
Tiger's wedge set up is slightly different. What I showed today is sometimes mislabeled Tiger stepping but he actually does something slightly different, although obtaining a similar result from it.
I have a full set of maltby irons coming in soon, can't wait to hit them.
I have a full set of maltby irons coming in soon, can't wait to hit them.
I have project x LZ6.0 120 stiff and so what would similar in Nippon or DG.
You could do X100 DG coming from PX. Could also go into PX 6.5 if you wanted to stay in that line.
No loss of distance?
Do we cut the 8i shafts to length for the wedges? Or leave length as is? Can I place the 8i shaft in my 50,54, and 58 as well?
Yes, you cut the butt end to whatever final length you want. You can use the same technique for all your wedges.
Smart.
Hi, would this work with graphite iron shafts in my wedges?
Interesting. I have Modus 105-S in my irons with Modus 120-S “soft stepped” in my wedges. So slightly heavier shaft but a little more kick in the tail so to speak.
So that in theory would give us the opposite result, higher launch with lower spin. At least with full swings where we see more deflection.
Mobile Clubmaker, great video and informative. Have an off topic question. What type of epoxy do you use? Just had a head come off a Ping 7i on a re-shafted set I did years ago. I think this epoxy was GolfWorks, either that or Wishon, can't recall. Those are the usual types that I have used in the past. I am just a home gamer but have made numerous sets for people and family, and can't have heads coming off, lol. The shaft was prepped pretty well by the way, scuffed the tip end pretty well just so you know. Thank you.
I use the Golfworks stuff. Knock on wood, only have ever had one issue and that was because of some PXG adapter issues. I always like to clean the hosels with acetone as a final step before assembly.
@@EFGMC Thanks for the reply
I don't understand, I thought all my iron shafts were the same. They all are KBS 120"S, so aren't all of them the same just cut to length? To me this would mean that my wedge shaft is already an 8 iron shaft cut to wedge length. I guess you could also say it is a cut down 4 iron shaft as well.
This referred to .355 tip shafts (taper) where each shaft comes from the factory made for a certain head weight. 4 iron shaft for 4 iron, 8 iron shaft for 8 iron.
Did you install the .370 parallel tip or .355 taper tip of the X100? It seems like the flight and weight characteristics would be different depending on the version of the shaft. I’m looking at the new Maltby MAX wedges and they are only .370.
These are all .355, as these Maltby wedge heads can take either even without a shim. I always recommend .355 though for the constant weight.
@@EFGMC thanks for the clarification! The Maltby MAX wedges are their new line and are .370 hosel. What are your thoughts on shimming with a .355 to fit the head?
Mahalo
Interesting test but full swing sand wedges spinning at 4500-5500 seems awfully low.
Yeah weird huh? I spin 8000+ with a stiff flex pw.
This shows off exactly the point of the video. It's hard to compress the ball with a 56 degree wedge. Lower delivered loft will result in more spin. Was also quite cold out this day so the numbers are lower than what you'd see on warm day or in a hitting bay.
@@EFGMC that's confusing because throughout my bag the higher the loft the more spin I get. I play the vokey sm8 in 50, 54 ,58 with the stock shafts. Seem to get lots of spin.
@@ashleywalls4097 What kind of dynamic loft are you producing?
Something seems off in the data here right? Can’t have that many spinrates in 4000s with a 57 degree wedge especially with Matt’s ball striking
I'm curious how that TSW head performs compared to other mainstream wedges? I was interested, but it looks like a super wide sole, which scares me on tight lies, since I'm somewhat of a picker with partial shots. Hard to find much info on DTC equipment, especially Maltby.
Could you set up different sets just for conditions without suffering loss of distance? Wet conditions, dry hard and fast or maybe even Augusta National set up that could change over night depending on the decision of the committee?
For sure if you had identical wedges in loft/lie ext. Did see a slight static weight change between them so not sure if switching back and forth with different weights might have a negative effect if switching day to day??
Hi AJ. I'm just starting out to build my first set of irons. I've always used Dynamic Gold (S300) shafts in my clubs so I am sticking with them. When ordering shafts would you recommend using the 8 iron (X100) shaft from PW to Lob wedge or just keep to the Gap, Sand and Lob wedges??? Also on a side note. I'm a high ball hitter but I want to set up my irons to help hit the ball lower. Is there any difference between the .355 and the .370 tip shafts with regard to trajectory?? I know I have .355 hosels but I also do have a 3/8 reamer if modding the hosels is of any benefit.
I would use the 8i X100 in the SW and LW. The lower lofted wedges don't benefit as much from it because of the loft.
My opinion, always go .355 if it's an option because of the constant weight. .370 will be descending weight, which is not as good.
So if I play X100’s in my irons and S300’s in my wedges, I should put X100’s into the wedges to increase spin and lower the ball flight? I hit all my irons very high and do struggle to lower my wedges shots a lot more than my irons.
i always used the same shaft in all my irons,thru wedges.kbs tour 90.made no sense to have them feel different.plus 1 golfer.mizuno mpt .lukes wedges.spin the hell out of them.
Would putting a Dynamic Gold X100 have the same effect?
Great video, was there a distance difference? Or does flipping launch and spin cancel each other out?
The X100 8i shaft was fractionally longer but they were really close overall.
Interesting video AJ. Just to confirm the 8 iron shaft should be completely trimmed from the butt end?
Here because it's a taper tip, yes, only butt cut. Parallel .370 tips would be a different story.
Hmmm. So an 8 iron shaft soft-stepped three times or so is stiffer than the comparable wedge shaft? Seems odd, to say the least and maybe in need of some bend profile numbers support? Aren’t Most spinner’ shafts designed to bend slightly higher to yield less dynamic loft?
Soft stepped 3x is not what we are doing here. It's 1x. DG no longer makes a dedicated wedge shaft. It's the 9 iron shaft that you use for any club 9 or shorter. That is why it's slightly stiffer (about 7 cpm).
I watched a video of a club fitter put a senior flex graphite shaft in his wedge and he gained higher launch angel and higher spin rate. Curious what the physics are behind that.
Would you consider building a full set or 5-PW to test the spin and launch through a set?
I don't see him replying to your comment but if you don't mind my 2 cents worth. It makes perfect sense to me seeings how 5-PW are all approach clubs.