Can The Mountain Bikes Of Today Really Compete? | Dirt Shed Show 364 Feat. Chris Akrigg
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- In the Dirt Shed Show this week we're wondering if modern mountain bikes can even come close to retro bikes in terms of superstar status!? In 20 years' time, will we walk into a bike shop and marvel at the 2022 'retro' mountain bike hung on the wall, or will it still be all about the bikes from the start of the MTB movement?
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0:00 - Intro
1:14 - The Golden Era Of MTB?
4:10 - MTB News
6:06 - Sickest Thing Of The Week
6:46 - Chris Akrigg Pro Corner
11:51 - Hacks & Bodges
14:45 - The New Orbea Onna
15:29 - Caption Contest
16:36 - Shout Outs
19:09 - The Bike Vault
25:47 - Fails & Bails
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My Kona Operator is on my wall lol.. N Occasionally my Cannondale cujo 3 ht too
That wire on the dropper post thing is one of the greatest ideas I've ever seen. I will definitely be doing that when my son rides my mountain bike. Genius.
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#captioncontest Rich's expression was priceless after he forgot to put his seat back on, after installing a new seat post.
any specialized bike with limited edition paint work....the chisel...the troy lee design stuff, and the last shape mondraker dune, man that thing was sexy and timeless
Genuinely such an entertaining video. I woke up feeling rested at 4:30am so I strolled over to the fridge, cracked open a Windhoek Lager and am sitting comfortably watching you guys as I contemplate my ride later. Another beautiful day in Cape Town.
It's amazing to wake up early and watch videos while drinking coffee
Cheers for the support! It means a lot to us to have such great fans of the channel!
Alway great reading comments like this coming from Windhoek 😂😂😂
Love Martyn's face lighting up at the mere mention of Cannondale .
I'd like to put in a veto for that MacGyver-dropper-post-limit-cable as the winning bodge 😊Yes, the winning chain guide thing was great and well created, but I like the pragmatic, creative bodges that no one thinks about. Excellent idea
Actually, if you listen carefully, the Nukeproof face won, they just put in the video the bashguard by mistake.
Shame, as it was me the bashguard guy :D
@@uldi1s ah was it? Have not noticed it, need to pay more attention :)
I think bikes with the biggest cool factor are the mid to late 00s bikes and that seems to be the era of MTB that no one really talks about.
There were some really cool bikes released in the 2000s!
Chris Akrigg 😍 He has a very unique riding style. Love it
We're glad you enjoyed seeing Chris on the show! It was great to have him in the shed! 👍
I can imagine my yet to be collected 2022 Starling Murmur being on the wall as art one day
Same with my Pole Stamina 180
I like the guests you have been having lately. It adds a new dimension. to the show and connects it directly to the community.
So glad you guys are giving us a closer look at that old Klein. That one immediately caught my eye in the bike shop video.
Strangely came across this whilst taking a break from looking for a GT i-drive 3 or 4 .Had a brand new orange i-drive 3 back in 2005 .After a year one of kids left garage door unlocked and it was stolen.My search is purely nostalgic but it really did fit me and ride really well.
Don't think you quite understand how sentimentality works..
I could imagine a modern Santa Cruze v10 being a wall bike in 20 years.
Oddly enough, The Orbea Occam has been my dream bike for the past 8 years. After a year of waiting, it is scheduled to arrive in April.
There's a reason old 26ers are still highly sought-after for commuter builds. They look gorgeous and still handle really well on city streets and light trails. Doubt anyone will be cruising to cafes on these modern 2-wheeled monster trucks in 30 years.
That yeti in the bike vault will end up on a wall, it’s stunning
That bike shop video was hilarious. You guys need to do that again.
I thought about the dropper stopper with paracord for when my son rides my xl bikes.
I'm personally a fan of modern bikes that look retro. My favourites, and probably the best examples, are steel full-sus bikes like Cotic and Starling, with the clean, simple lines of 90s bike frames, only with modern geo and components.
They remind me of modern retro motorcycles, such as the Triumph Bonneville range, that look very similar to the classics of the 60s but feature modern tech and reliability.
OH MAI GAWD! Chris Akrigg in the flesh at a ride? That's a once in a lifetime opportunity!
I love my Friday nights with GMBN catchup. Have to agree with Martin; I still pine after my 1988 Muddy Fox courier in white and purple. Best bike I've ever owned......
Though I have to say, there is nothing wrong with ebikes (even though I've never tried one.....)
Neil’s got it nailed down - the only reason the old stuff is cool is because MTB was new and you wanted it because it was cool at the time. Today’s stuff will be the things people getting into the sport now will think was awesome when they’ll looking back on their younger days. What makes that old stuff seem cool isn’t the stuff - it’s the memories and feelings that you attached to it.
I understand where you're coming from, but remember when it all started. I was about 14 and went from road to MTB and never went back. I don't think there's ever going to be a time that happens again because there was nothing like it before and nothing has divided cycling so much since........
I agree with Martyn. Like with everything, a little something dies when tech gets to a certain threshold. There is some soul that is just not there. Bikes of today will never have the hype that the bikes of old have now. Simple as that.
@Silver Back who said anything about fun?
Thia ia your opinion
Every generation gets nostalgic of the past. In 30 years, of course people will look back on now and want to collect artifacts. I beleive it's just human :p
There's no way of knowing how nostalgic a mountain bike will be until 20 or 30 years have past.
Very True! We'll look back on the bikes of today and think what classics they were in 30 years! 👍
Tinker Juarez probably has one of those Klein attitudes hanging on his wall. That was before he switched to Canondale. He's still one of the all time greatest imo. Him and Tomac.
just had a 2011 Mondraker Dune rebuilt from the ground up , looks mint, was at the forefront of geometry changes back in the day
Gotta say, I quite liked this episode!
Thanks for the support! 👊
Dropper post hack 🤯
My wife’s new Santa Cruz dropper is too long
👍😎👍
Love the ejector seat on the green bike!
"Nostalgia's great, but it's not as great as it used to be." hahaha
Back in 1992/93 a friend and I toured NZ for 6 months. He on his Klein Adroit and me on my Ti Kona Hei Hei. We hung racks with pipe hangers for our panniers and would remove the racks when we found ourselves in cool mountain biking locations. Word travelled fast about us and our bikes and when we arrived somewhere, say Rotorua, bike shops already knew about us which led to instant connections and amazing group rides. This was because of our bikes and maybe a little about two dudes using them for what they were not intended for. I don't believe that would happen today. Back then the boutique brands stood out more. You took notice at a trailhead if someone rode up on IF. Is that still the case? There's just so many brands making good bikes out now I think they get lost amongst themselves and nothing shouts at you like a Klein did in 90's.
Evolution of MTB has been huge and spectacular for the last 15-20 years but naturally it began to stagnate lastly and it's becoming less and less interesting not to say a bit boring... but that's completely normal when things tend to perfection... considering that perfection doesn't exist.... and is always perfectible ;-)
The word is sanitised.
That's what happens when you gets to fractions of improvements.
The dropper post is a hack not a bodge. Pretty genius really especially if you are on a budget. No reason to change out the post just limit it’s travel. Save money for tubeless conversion.
#captioncontest - The moment you realise the chamois cream is a bit too cold
I think the biggest challenge with hanging a modern mountain bike on the wall is that you need about 3x as much space and they will hang another foot further into your room. Retros are nice and compact to make for easy art :D
Very True! It'll be a bit tricky trying to find space for modern mountain bikes due to more progressive geometry. Retro bikes also had some very unique paint jobs.
Maybe the higher end ones with bottom bracket transmission boxes will be collector bikes...otherwise most carbon 29"ers will be on CL in USA in ten years cheap!!!
I remember being slack jawed when i first saw a Cannondale super V raven in Chromallusion Purpleen . Utterly speechless . I mean it looks hideous now but back then what a thing of wonder.
In 20 years time when ebikes have fully taken over we'll look back on todays analogue bikes with the same rose tinted glasses as we see the those retro bikes of the 90's.
I think my 2021 Slash 9.7 Factory Orange is hot overall
Neil, Neil, Neil you won't find many skinnies on Vancouver island. Just the best winter riding canada has to offer, resulting in the must influential DH training hill (mt Prevost). All the top Canadian world cup racers train on the island in the off season. You"ll find amazing flow, jumps and technical riding that remains rideable for 50 weeks per year. Maybe you should head over and check it out 😉
Odd that we never see Chris & Jack riding together. I assume they both live in Yorkshire, & it seems they don't even follow each other on Instagram. Chris glossed over the "current world champion trains at Shipley Glen" part, too..
I truly reckon the Commencal Supreme will be a wall worthy bike in the future - considering its racing pedigree and huge results to follow - could one day be the equivelant to the HONDA RN
So tired of e-bikes , so tired of trials (“trick riding”), just ride your bike, yes that means pedal! Also, yeah dropper post might offer some advantage, but enough already, did I mention pedaling, maybe just pedal harder!
As time goes by the cost of biking will go up and will price out a lot of people, did motocross way back and cost just went crazy, bikes are over priced for what they are, cheaper to buy a motobike
I agree that we are in a second “golden age” of mountain biking. I wonder if we will look back at current bikes as the last of the truly analogue bikes. Kind of like cars from the turn of the millennium, “young timer cars”, are looked upon as being the sweet spot between technology making them reliable and good to drive, but before too many computers started getting fitted and performance, rather than driver enjoyment being prioritised.
Also, as an Orange rider, my bike still looks like their classic models…
The dimmer lighting is much better!
#captioncontest - Rich's face the moment Blake finds out he was prank calling the trailhead shop all day
What about the Trimble? That was an amazing looking machine!
I think the best bike is the first one you listed after. For me it was a gt lts seeing it in the pages of mbuk and the orange patriot watching Steve Peat. Luckerly I own both bikes now and wouldn't swap them for a new one. Too much attachments to them
#captioncontest "when the dropper comes up too fast"
When you press the dropper lever unexpectedly. #captioncontest
Shout out 2 Uldis!
Chris?
It was weird eh? Michael won with the Nukeproof face, but they did put in the picture of my bashgiuard :D
On hacks and bodges this was second time that the winner was different on screen that what was announced 😅😆
classic bikes are more minimal, generally and simple lines which makes them designer and appealing to the eye.
I owned a Klein , but not for long as I didn't like riding it - too harsh. Liked my Yo Eddy tho', but it handled like a big BMX, totally different to a modern bike , and a LOT harder to ride
Oooof! Did I win hacks & bodges! 😮
Congratulations Michael! Get in contact with us on facebook messenger and we can sort out your prize! 🙌
When I bought my first full sus at 28 I chose a Stumpjumper because it's the bike I was ogling as a 15-year-old hanging around my local bike shop with no money to get anything.
What year was it?
#captioncontest "Rich was surprised by Blake's method when he said he knew how to pull Rich's chest hair back below his collar"
They make the Quest Fat bike in my hometown here in Canada and there a super light Fat bike!!
New bikes rule.. this is the golden age
Yes 20 years from now someone will see my 2022 Yeti Arc and say dooooope an old Yeti
So true! It's crazy the bikes of today will be called classics in decades to come! 😅
That dropper limiter is def a hack! Could be a product.
CAPTION CONTEST. “Rich finds out his next GMBN video is titled Brokeback Mountain Biking”
#captioncontest when you announced Rob Warner is now an E-Biker
My Megatower is a thing if beauty. Might get hung up one day.
That's great Johnny! What a sick bike to hang up! 👍
New camera or lighting? Something looked really awesome.
There was different lighting for this episode! Glad you liked it! Cheers for the support! 🙌
Bikes from the 90s and a few early 00s represented hey day bikes and also.major jumps.... I think anything now would have to represent a giant leap.
Maybe something like the first 29r DH would have on a wall, or maybe te first Fast forward geo from Mondraker.
Anything wall worthy now and moving forward will have to Tech or design leaps.
I disagree. Anything iconic becomes legendary , doesnt have to represent a giant leap. Palmers stars and stripes is a good example.
@@Tony_P I totally agree with that, but was thinking more about mass purchase bikes everyone had a chance to get.
Iconic... The Honda bike... Oh yeah
Hey, That's a really interesting point! We feel that bikes of the 90s had so many experimental and distinct features. There were some rather crazy designs. In the past 10 years, mountain bikes have seemed to become a lot more standardised in the way they look. Obviously, there has also been some crazy innovations in recent years but, nothing drastically visual has changed. It'll be so cool to see where the future takes us! 👍
Some of the retro bikes like the Pace RC's, Klein Adroit, Ritchey Plexus, Raleigh DynaTech, are beautiful compared to modern carbon frames, and certainly evoke nostalgia and that amazing 90's golden era - when development was rapid, even if they do ride terribly compared to modern rigs
Ahead of his time Jerry “Seinfeld” had a green Klein on the wall in his apartment!
In thirty years they'll be mocking us for regressing to calling bikes with coil springs "flagships"
I'm turning my Gary Fisher big sur bike in to a 750w mid-drive motor electric bike putting it on my hard tail classic old bike.
#captioncontest
Me when I seen Neil put the crank in the vice in the bikeshop vid
#captioncontest when doddy forgets to put riches saddle back on the dropper
Bikes like the Atherton carbon titanium will be hung on walls in the future.
Good Shout!
The Pace RC250T should have been included in the retro bike section, especially with Chris Akrigg there!
Rigid GT Karakorum, best bike ever!!!!!!!!!!!!
Montana spray cans are the best or painting anything
#captioncontest that look you have when you use deep heat instead of chamois cream
When Rich realizes he put too much chamois butter on #captioncontest
#captioncontest
When you're applying your chamois cream and your finger slips.
#captioncompetition Rich's reaction when people call XC riders roadies
That's a good one! 😂
@@gmbn Thanks! 😀
maybe do another "local bikeshop take over". love it man.
#CaptionContest When the dropper post shoots up quicker then expected
Caption contest: There is something crawling up your chest.
Did someone forget to turn the studio lights on this week?
The dirt shed seems abit dark. 🤔
Much better that way.
If its a retro or fat bike insta supernice, according to presenters
#caption contest: mistook the deep heat for chamois cream 🤔😭🤣🤣🤣
When your upgraded saddle breaks and you have to use the (gasp) stock saddle until a replacement arrives #captioncontest
Chris when the crew shares the presenter ratings, and he comes last #captioncontest
#captioncontest: "Rich finds out he's in the doghouse for buying a bike with all the accessories"
With press fit? No way
#Captioncontest When you learn you're next to go with Martyn Ashton on the Random Tandem.
Say they offer non biased , real world opinions..
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And that gorgeous Klein hardtail has 3x, and I'm a 3x forever kind of guy. And the best compliment to a great paint job are plated components, then and now. And sure, some of the new bikes will become classic collectibles, I think, innovative bikes like the latest Scott Spark with its hidden rear shock, tho' one has to wonder about the long-term durability of carbon frames--will a rider be able to take out a carbon bike and treat it like a decades-old metal bike? Maybe and if so, cool. But carbon seems shaky to me, the way it cracks when it experiences a hit it wasn't designed to take. But overall, I think retro cool is all about styling and simplicity and rarity and even Schwinn Sting-Rays, my all-time favorite retro bike, have that because despite the huge sales numbers, Schwinn painted them in lots of different colors with lots of different bars. And retro is about experience, too, and the Sting-Ray was the greatest experience of all for a kid on the street or in the dirt.
Carbon has _better_ longievity than both steel (where some corrosion is almost inevitable) and aluminium (where even gentle flexing/vibrations cause fatigue that makes it weaker and weaker over time). Yes, that about carbon and _hits it wasn't designed to take_ is true - however, generally the old-treasure metal bikes that are still in good condition aren't ones that have seen much abuse either.
@@leftaroundabout Thanks for your response and I'm certainly hopeful that carbon bikes are strong and useful for decades to come. And my concerns are probably based on not seeing that passage of time yet, plus the unknown of working or dealing with carbon as a restoration project. And for decades we've all been working with metal parts on cars, motorcycles, bicycles, whatever. Except newer cars and such, yikes, too much plastic and gizmos and a higher probability of disposal than renewal, sadly. And you're right, there are lots of metal bikes that have never seen much use. Once, as I was cycling to work, I stopped at a Saturday morning yard sale to look at a 10-speed from the '70s. And the gent said his mother-in-law had given him the bike new--and, with a chuckle, he said he only rode it once, as though it was beneath him to ride a bicycle. His loss, certainly, tho' I had the good sense to simply say it was a nice bike and that I hoped it would find a good home.
Bike Vault, that green Intense must belong to retired NBA star Reggie Miller 6'7" / 200cm 🏀🚴♂️
if you had a orange peele rattle-can painted Klein, you'd never hang it on the wall.................
#captioncontest What do you mean it's twins?!
Dude it's 2022 "2000 to 2010" is now retro. Lets see 2020+ vs 2000/2010 tech or something.
I’m almost 64 and when I get 80 or 90 years old, I may need one of those “ cheating
bikes “ then but not yet.