Do you think there is a cost of MTB crisis? What do you think is causing the price hike? Will we see prices return to ‘normal’? Let us know your thoughts 👇
Kudos to you guys for actually calling Brexit out! Ultimately if the basics of demand and supply tip a little bit more (i.e. more supply/less demand) then I see a resurgence in deep discounting - mainland Europe will benefit, but the UK will see less impact as supply is managed by only a few key players and grey importing has become harder.
So yep Brexit has definitely caused a hike in prices I took a 4 year sabbatical from the mountain bike industry just as E bikes were booming and now they cost more than my car!
For some reason guys..I think bike frame prices can be affected from the country which manufactures them..especially Taiwan in which they are getting harrassed by China
I work at a machine shop and the cost of various types of steels (especially exotic steel) has SKY ROCKETED not to mention the duty taxes on top of it is crumbling a lot of manufacturers in Canada.
Its companies profiteering for ther share holders. Feul companies, energy companies, supermarkets n most retailers are creating this price increase on everything. I bet none of them have a lower yearly profit n most will be doubling profits from this price fixing. Claiming its cost of living n not them wanting to beat last years profits to increase ther companies values. Im just happy i have my tinfoil hat to protect me 🤣
Think about this for a second GMBN.... some high spec mountain bikes are costing as much as a 2023 Kawasaki ZX6R supersport bike capable of 160 MPH on a race track. Think of all the engineering, manufacturing, R&D required, plus tech like traction control, antilock braking system, slipper clutch, dampened showa suspension, digital fuel injection, ignition system, TFT Display, enormous NISSIN brake kit ON TOP OF a wet sump liquid cooled 636cc 16 valve DOHC engine. I get it, mountain biking is fun as hell but the prices are actually NUTTY.
Absolutly agree! I don't get it. Motocycle manufactures have so much r&d to bring a new bike on the market. They have to build individuel parts just for one model! Bike manufactures just need to build a frame and combine it with the always same sram or shimano parts! I don't believe that it's that expensive as they want us to believe!
I agree 100% that if you look at a modern mtb or emtb you cannot see the value in them. The KTM RC390 the KTM 500EXC the Yamaha R7 & T7 etc etc all represent better value and resale value. Ive given up on mtb because im sick of travelling to destinations and have expanded my other hobbies instead. Only ridden my emtb twice this year and downhill bike not at all.
I agree. However, one factor with mountain bikes is they don't sell as many as motorcycles so they don't have the manufacturing scale to lower prices. They have to make more profit per unit. But still, $5K - 10K for a decent bike is too much.
@@jefft275 Just how many of a particular model of any brand motorcycle do you think they sale? I don't have numbers, but I don't see any more of a particular model of motorcycle than I do of a mountain bike. Then you look at durability of said motorcycle, vs the crap the bike companies put out. SMH
I don't think the prices will go down, even if raw materials will become cheaper again. Very simply because we are willing to pay these ridiculous prices, so there is not motivation for the likes of Shimano to actually lower the prices again. They will just catch that extra profit.
I think, even with willingness to pay at a certain level, competition and innovation can still lead to lower prices. Many people were willing to pay a lot more in the past for appliances like refrigerators, yet these have gotten a lot cheaper since in the last several decades. Even if I'm willing to pay $50 for a chain, I would eagerly go for one of similar quality for $30.
Prices don’t go down, that’s called deflation and it’s very rare. It’s also the biggest fear of central banks, even more than inflation. So prices won’t go down. The hope is the rate of increase slows while incomes catch up with prices.
@@DD-sr9xm That not necessarily true. This is a luxury good that's subject to more ups and down in demand, competition and supply. Deflation doesn't happen for goods like milk and eggs because they are already sold at bare minimum profit. Look at something like televisions and computers. When you account for inflation we pay far less then we did 30 years ago. Biking as a sport is growing and although that increases demand it also increases the likelihood that more competition may come and try to undercut on pricing.
@@DD-sr9xm not true at all, price televisions. My first big screen I bought was a 52" LCD...it cost me $2000 and this was over 10 years ago...you can get a 75" for less than half of that and there's no comparison in the picture quality. Pricee will come down as more companies offer the same product and quality for less.
The price of bikes is currently ridiculous. I use the Orange Five as my comparison. When I bought one in 2015, the RRP was £2500. Now the equivalent costs £5900....
It's not just the cost of bikes... unless you live in an area with great trails the cost of fuel to get to trail centres or remote regions is definitely a big consideration.
You nailed it. I used to put in a couple hours of driving on the weekends to hit some top notch trails. Not anymore strictly local for me :(. Gas in a truck is killing me.
Ain't that the truth, Yesterday I filled up $50, ended up 30 miles away from my truck, called a buddy that was out of gas to come get me with the promise of filling his truck up plus supper for him and his girlfriend ( my daughter ) and the gas was $65 for his gas and $70 for supper, the high cost of biking is a nightmare but it sure beats the low cost of sitting around and thinking about biking 😀
True this. Bike and gear are a one off expense (for a couple of years) but when you live outside of mountainous area every trip costs a considerable amount of money - petrol, a place to stay, food, lift. If you go on trips often it can easily reach a cost of good, new bike per year.
This observation is very on point. It's one thing to purchase a relatively expensive tool for the job that can be enjoyed for many years. Quite another to throw tons of money away on fuel that is expensive right now for no good reason. Even living 20 miles from the nearest trail I feel this way. It would be difficult to justify an actual road trip to ride elsewhere right now.
Having been away from mountain biking for 10 years, and recently come back to it, it must be said that a large part of this massive cost comes from media channels such as your own. You normalised spending the value of a good used car on a mountain bike, and make videos on “budget beginner” bikes that still cost four figures. It’s actually insane, and sadly it’s not recognised by those that live and breath the sport. As many others have said, prices will increase, they will never come back down, they never do in any profit making industry and biking will be no different, and you will normalise it. An amazing adventure can be had on a £300 used hard tail and given the times we live in you would do well to not only remember that, but actively promote and normalise it!
This... very much. It always irritates me how bike media channels say that "Budget" is "around £1500". I've never paid anywhere close to that for any of my bikes, and they're more than capable. All the time people pay this sort of money and subscribe to that sort of mindset, the prices will stay where they are. We should vote with our wallets a whole lot more!
You are so right it seems like to be an mtber you have to have an over priced bike, buy all the clothing and shoes, accessories it's never ending and i also sense a kind of snobbery over what bike you ride, it must have one of the big names on it or it's shit. Why can't magazines and media channels review bike's the masses can afford, and not bike's you would have to sell a kidney for.
I feel like some companies take advantage of this crisis and inflate prices just for extra profits. Will not name the company, but the same hardtail bike model as last year, with worse components costs almost 50% more (+500 euro) than it did in 2021. They actually put worse parts on the new bike, but the price went up almost 50%, that's crazy and there is no way it's justified.
It works as a chain, raw material goes up 10%, manufactures of components put price up 10% to keep their profit margins, assembly 10%, shop 10%… something that’s £10 is now £14.61 - the companies are now making more money because keeping the same margins but on a now higher priced part but justify it with “we’re paying 10% more too” and now the cost is 46% higher than before.
When mountain bikes became more expensive than motorcycles and cars that's when the price crisis started because manufacturers found out real quick they can charge an arm and a leg for a small amount of technology and people will pay for it
The cycling fad produced by covid is still going on and now with inflation we could see the prices stay at this level for the next year's to come, sales will eventually reduce and so will prices
@@maucina12 I’m on a 2016 Lapierre Zesty, it’s a great bike and a better ride than I’ll ever be a rider - at the moment new prices are insane, I’m happy using the second hand market and grabbing a bargain 👍🏻
capitalism isn't a charity opportunity. If we're willing to pay current prices, manufacturers will continue to charge them whether costs go down or not.
Well prices will go up a whole lots more.... when China invades Taiwan! Any sensible bike manufacturers will be pulling out of there or at least making contingency plans.
It literally costs as much as harley davidson or any nice crotch rocket so yea it's way overpriced for these simple bike parts to cost more than motorcycle parts cost.
I called a shop and asked them how much it cost to service the lowers on the forks and the basic service on the rear shock and they wanted 260 dollars....
When i bought my Ripley AF there were no used bikes on the market. Now there is and prices in the state of Georgia are dropping. Used prices and availability will putpressure on newbikes ringing prices down.
Buy used, there’s loads of good 2019 - 2021 bikes for about half what the original owner paid - let someone else take the initial financial hit. Nothing wrong with these bikes either, arguably better bikes than most of the people riding them, most weekend warriors don’t get anywhere near the limits of the bike they own.
I am pretty sure there re no increases in import duty because of Brexit , there may be a some additional paperwork to do for goods coming from the EU but no import duty and import duties from china are unchanged as would other far east manufacturing countries , the other points are all valid but Brexit is red-herring
I'll not get too political here but the whole pricing increases is unfortunately by design, due to the economic system. only system change will impact this in any meaningful way.
When I look at new bikes, my dad can't understand how bikes have got so expensive. In the late 90s, he got a pro spec titanium Raleigh for under £2000. Nowadays that price range is considered 'budget' it's crazy.
No prices will not drop, the best you can hope for is the increases level off. Shipping costs went crazy post pandemic and following the blocking of the Suez Canal but are dropping now, its not just the excessive costs it is the huge delays causing stock outs that screw everyone up!! Material prices are a factor but a small one, BIkes are not massive products, there is probably less the 50 cents of steel in a chain, but the impact of energy costs and employment costs on manufacturing we are stuck with ☹. And with appologies to everyone outside of the UK for the final rant!!! Brexit has made a difference. If you look at the online stores in Europe their prices are almost always less than UK prices, so when you take your bike on holiday take the opportunity to refresh your drivetrain while you are there 😁
There will be a minor price correction over time, but nothing close to the price increase experienced over the past 2-3 years. History has proven this many times.
Mountain biking has always been really expensive, unless your really lucky or save up a ton it's hard to get nice stuff. There aren't too many (moden) entry level options out there. Even the used bikes are spendy.
History says that prices will absolutely not go back down. I would just love to see them stabilize and hold value for a few years.
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Two years ago I bought a new chain (and a spare) for my 10-speed drivetrain. Since its a consumable part, I don't buy the super high-end version. Was around 12€. Last week I fixed up my neighbours kids bike with the same drivetrain, but the cheap option was sold out at the lbs. So I bought the cheapest option they had still available and it was 40€. Cheapest option I could find available online was 28€. By now my original cheap chain from two years ago is back in stock at the online retailer for 21€. My point is: Not only did prices increase, but availability became an issue as well. If you need a part quickly, the cheaoest option might not be available and you have to dive deeper into your wallets. I do try to have spares for my most important parts and have some old componentry lying around, but my income and my apartment (flat for UK people) have limits.
Bikes are expensive. True. Riding itself doesn't have to be. Of course, if you insist on an endless flow-trail with mirror smooth finishes and an uplift, then eating at a restaurant and staying at a hotel .... that's a different thing .... If you get out and ride a local trail, it is almost "free". Sure, pads, tires, fluids, grips, chains .. etc ... but there is no $100/day rental or entry fees. In Costa Rica a bike park costs you $8 a day. No uplift though in many, or +$8 for half a day of crowded shuttling on a truck. Or you e-bike shuttle ... or normal-bike pedal up. Sure with kids you have to stay at a decent place, and you don't want all your crap stolen... and at 50 I wouldn't sleep in a park (like I would when I was 20 and broke and visiting a contest in a country I couldn't afford) :O
BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! Same old tired BS excuses to pay stupid money for crap. Creaking, ridiculous amounts of maintenance, oval wholes for bottom brackets, engineering mistakes that a first year graduate should catch, etc etc.
ebay is the way I've had my eyes on 2021 - 2022 bikes for between ?550 and ?650 when they are ?1000 - ?1900 in value Trek / Boardman / Specialized bought my specialized sirrus X 2.0 for ?460
As a old newbie to MTB, your videos have been wicked good for me to get on the trails safely and been having a blast. I am 52 and got my first jump with “real” air today. Safely done with only about 90hrs on a hard tail. Keep it up guys!!!
Yes Everything has gone up in price and it sucks! She Went to Killington Vermont USA last weekend. Just a lift ticket is 80ddollars. Had a great day and it was wud Worth every penny, but yeah shits expensive! And that's not SICK!
A real world example of how expensive MTBing is: I bought a BMW S1000 RR for £8470 two weeks ago, a lad I work with has Santa Cruz nomad that cost him £9700!
A really good bike is cheaper than it’s been maybe almost ever, if inflation is taken into account. I just got a new Ripmo Af for 25% off. 3300 bucks. It needs zero upgrades! When has a bike with that capability ever been cheaper? Would I like to pay less, do I think tire prices are insane? Yup! But damn, that’s all the bike I need.
I am desperate to see Blake, send it on a mono! As for the Cost of Biking Crisis, I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me why any front suspension fork should cost more than £200. I think Sandy at Trailhead (Shrewsbury) has really underestimated the cost of Brexit. The cost of shipping will come down, the cost of raw materials will come back down eventually but Brexit is the gift that will keep on giving. I ride a e-MTB HT and it gladdened my heart to see so many nice hardtails on the show. Keep up the good work lads. JC out!
Everything functions properly th-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Nothing was damaged in the box aside from a decal on the fork. The decal was missing a piece of a corner but I ended up peeling them off anyways. Assembly is easy BUT make sure you tune up the derailleurs. Both the front and rear need adjusting. I'd advise going to a bike shop but I opted out and put in 10+ hours with the help of TH-cam. Ended up fraying a shifter cable but all in all I learned from the experience. The Brakes work well but the front caliper needs adjusting or at least mine did because the rotor was rubbing against the pads. Make sure you swap out the seat, grips, and pedals. For the short run you'll be fine though. I've read that this bike isn't built yet for hard trails but I just need it for the city. PA has some of the worst roads and being in a mountain this was a great choice. Worth the investment!
Brexit excuse is Bullshit most products come from Asia not EU and we have favourable trade deals with Japan etc. The EU have same problems as us so using Brexit as an excuse is just a political lie. Keep your political views out of the bikeshed? Not everyone is EU loving flunky. Perhaps Mr Ashton should move his bikeshed to Brussels or the Yarpie to Capetown if the UK is expensive?
I went from being a daily rider to maybe twice this entire summer. A lot of that rests on the fact that my bike needs have changed and I can’t justify spending close to $4000 for a relatively entry level bike (stumpy comp Al). I can’t ride as often now with a kid so it doesn’t seem worth it. So now my activity is running. If that new bike was like $2500 and same spec I would be mountain biking every weekend. Still watch the show regularly tho.
Inflation my ass. These prices are up another 60% from the 60% in 2020. Whats going on is greedy bike companies and cyclists that are willing to clamor for the privilege of overpaying for shit. It feels like they want to just brag about how much they paid for things.
Thank you.... Now I know that Brexit is the cause of high prices for parts in Sweden!!! I am from the UK and live in Sweden and work as a professional bike mechanic and agree you are correct with observations of raw materials and shipping costs but did not mention the low availability of parts and fuel costs. Understanding here is that things will not get back to normal with the supply chain until 2024!! I do not think this will change the prices of parts though? gave up watching at 5:49 due to the political viewpoint.... such a shame!
Componentry??? The elephant in the room is the prices of the bikes themselves! Christ allmighty what has happened? Regardless of material cost, and shipping, what is going on with bike prices rising over 30-40%. Ebikes are a category of its own with an immense increase too. Will the increase in gas prices we see now further push prices up as more people will choose to ride bikes to commute?
If one goes downhill biking, stays in a hotel, and eats in a restaurant, then yes - it is expensive. But there's ways to keep costs low. Other then downhill biking, you don't pay to ride trails (you just contribute by helping build the trails). And you can stay in hostels or camp. And you can eat sandwiches and quaff tall cans instead of dropping a brown back in a restaurant.
the demand during covid jacked up the new and used marketplace across the globe, what was it.. 200% increase to popularity of the sport? though that has already started to return to normal. why the heck has shipping gone up so much though? wow
Many Companies are testing the boundries of prices. If we pay it, the prices will stay the same. If demand falls, so will prices. Its coplicated bht no matter what happens, the little guys (bike businesses) loose! The big bike copaniss stand to buy out the little guys and make bank.
all your featured mtb’s go downhill fast, but uphill? nah, I’ve built from the wheels up, a mtb that goes both directions easily. And I’m keeping that under my hat.
Helps to have a pro mechanic as a mate .. NZ dollar $95 an hour @shop .. unless you are fully loaded or your rich parents think it’s an investment it’s not sustainable. IMO
Everyone's still buying at these prices. The prices will never drop. What's the point? More money in companies pockets once production costs go down (if they do)
I don’t get the price when you break down the bike from parts that are on it your paying 3k-5k just for a carbon frame. Also seems that carbon has gotten weaker. Bikes have gone up with the value I feel like going down this is every industry not just mountain biking car industry etc it’s greed for sure
If they keep building better bikes the best bikers will buy them and it creates a problem. Those bikers design and build trails, and they design more complex trails built for great bikes with the best suspension and for their skills..and then everyone needs the “right” bikes for the trails they’re riding. Adding to that the rate of inflation…meh!
Almost all factors might get better, except inflation. Money is getting worthless, and that's will just get worse not better. I hope prices will go down, but honestly I expect things to get more expensive. A lot more expensive.
Prices wont go down until the Chinese brands start taking over by undercutting them, and even then that’s a big maybe. At the end of the day, big companies only really care about profit. Your passion and personal feelings for the sport are irrelevant.
I wouldn't say this problem is unique to MTB. I'm a musician too (drums, specifically), and really it all comes down to what the consumer is willing to pay, even if that means financing/going into debt. And a lot of that is driven by product hype. Certain components and brands are marketed as "must-haves," and consumers are willing to pay the price just to keep up with the Joneses. Manufacturers can charge a lot, because people have shown that they are willing to pay a lot. The market will only change if people change their spending habits.
now that they've got away with overcharging, they aren't going to go back to a fair price. that's not how capitalism works, greed greed greed! that's how capitalism works! 🙁
It's not just mountain biking that's expensive. Everything else is too. Ppl will never stop paying exorbitant prices for mediocre/everyday gear. Not that all Mtb gear is mediocre, but even the lower bike companies are cashing in on their crap ever since Covid.
looking into the financials of companies like shimano they are currently making record breaking profits. But sure lets just blame the supply chain and every other reason. They've put their prices up because they can. Sales have been increasing even at these raised prices so they will continue to be sky high until demand drops
The prices were already sky high before brexit, high inflation... Look at the price of bike parts compared with car or motor bike part they are ridiculous.
Prices will not come down. It has been proven where you have people that will happily pay these higher prices…and defend the price increase. Unless people are willing to stop paying the high prices which is unlikely…they will not come back down.
I skateboard and mountain bike , skateboards have stayed the same price since the 80s . I think the trend of Mt biking over the pandemic is the main cause of everything being more expensive on your bike .
Im living in china and im build my own bikes with 30usd frames that are left outs of the production from these major brands that are having their factories in ml china
It’s only expensive to ride if you insist on riding all the new equipment, there are plenty of older bikes out there with great components at really good prices.
The price of bikes have gone up at least 30% compared to pre-pandemic about 2-3 years ago. A previously $3000 bike is now a $4000 bike. Insane inflation! I doubt that prices will go back down.
Prices never go down unfortunately. Once they see people continuing to buy the product they will consider they got away with it. I live on the continent and things are expensive here too!
Im losing interest in the sport after 20 years because i cant afford it. A 5k bike is a good average price, 10-15k+ for a bike is a joke. The 10x shipping increase is pure greed.
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Do you think there is a cost of MTB crisis? What do you think is causing the price hike? Will we see prices return to ‘normal’? Let us know your thoughts 👇
Kudos to you guys for actually calling Brexit out!
Ultimately if the basics of demand and supply tip a little bit more (i.e. more supply/less demand) then I see a resurgence in deep discounting - mainland Europe will benefit, but the UK will see less impact as supply is managed by only a few key players and grey importing has become harder.
So yep Brexit has definitely caused a hike in prices I took a 4 year sabbatical from the mountain bike industry just as E bikes were booming and now they cost more than my car!
For some reason guys..I think bike frame prices can be affected from the country which manufactures them..especially Taiwan in which they are getting harrassed by China
I work at a machine shop and the cost of various types of steels (especially exotic steel) has SKY ROCKETED not to mention the duty taxes on top of it is crumbling a lot of manufacturers in Canada.
Its companies profiteering for ther share holders. Feul companies, energy companies, supermarkets n most retailers are creating this price increase on everything. I bet none of them have a lower yearly profit n most will be doubling profits from this price fixing. Claiming its cost of living n not them wanting to beat last years profits to increase ther companies values. Im just happy i have my tinfoil hat to protect me 🤣
Think about this for a second GMBN.... some high spec mountain bikes are costing as much as a 2023 Kawasaki ZX6R supersport bike capable of 160 MPH on a race track. Think of all the engineering, manufacturing, R&D required, plus tech like traction control, antilock braking system, slipper clutch, dampened showa suspension, digital fuel injection, ignition system, TFT Display, enormous NISSIN brake kit ON TOP OF a wet sump liquid cooled 636cc 16 valve DOHC engine.
I get it, mountain biking is fun as hell but the prices are actually NUTTY.
Absolutly agree! I don't get it. Motocycle manufactures have so much r&d to bring a new bike on the market. They have to build individuel parts just for one model! Bike manufactures just need to build a frame and combine it with the always same sram or shimano parts! I don't believe that it's that expensive as they want us to believe!
I agree 100% that if you look at a modern mtb or emtb you cannot see the value in them. The KTM RC390 the KTM 500EXC the Yamaha R7 & T7 etc etc all represent better value and resale value. Ive given up on mtb because im sick of travelling to destinations and have expanded my other hobbies instead. Only ridden my emtb twice this year and downhill bike not at all.
I've been an advocate for this almost 20 years now. Mtb prices suck.
I agree. However, one factor with mountain bikes is they don't sell as many as motorcycles so they don't have the manufacturing scale to lower prices. They have to make more profit per unit. But still, $5K - 10K for a decent bike is too much.
@@jefft275 Just how many of a particular model of any brand motorcycle do you think they sale? I don't have numbers, but I don't see any more of a particular model of motorcycle than I do of a mountain bike. Then you look at durability of said motorcycle, vs the crap the bike companies put out. SMH
I don't think the prices will go down, even if raw materials will become cheaper again. Very simply because we are willing to pay these ridiculous prices, so there is not motivation for the likes of Shimano to actually lower the prices again. They will just catch that extra profit.
I think, even with willingness to pay at a certain level, competition and innovation can still lead to lower prices. Many people were willing to pay a lot more in the past for appliances like refrigerators, yet these have gotten a lot cheaper since in the last several decades. Even if I'm willing to pay $50 for a chain, I would eagerly go for one of similar quality for $30.
Prices don’t go down, that’s called deflation and it’s very rare. It’s also the biggest fear of central banks, even more than inflation. So prices won’t go down. The hope is the rate of increase slows while incomes catch up with prices.
@@DD-sr9xm That not necessarily true. This is a luxury good that's subject to more ups and down in demand, competition and supply. Deflation doesn't happen for goods like milk and eggs because they are already sold at bare minimum profit. Look at something like televisions and computers. When you account for inflation we pay far less then we did 30 years ago. Biking as a sport is growing and although that increases demand it also increases the likelihood that more competition may come and try to undercut on pricing.
@@DD-sr9xm not true at all, price televisions. My first big screen I bought was a 52" LCD...it cost me $2000 and this was over 10 years ago...you can get a 75" for less than half of that and there's no comparison in the picture quality. Pricee will come down as more companies offer the same product and quality for less.
Im certainly not willing lol
The price of bikes is currently ridiculous. I use the Orange Five as my comparison. When I bought one in 2015, the RRP was £2500. Now the equivalent costs £5900....
It's not just the cost of bikes... unless you live in an area with great trails the cost of fuel to get to trail centres or remote regions is definitely a big consideration.
You nailed it. I used to put in a couple hours of driving on the weekends to hit some top notch trails. Not anymore strictly local for me :(. Gas in a truck is killing me.
Ain't that the truth, Yesterday I filled up $50, ended up 30 miles away from my truck, called a buddy that was out of gas to come get me with the promise of filling his truck up plus supper for him and his girlfriend ( my daughter ) and the gas was $65 for his gas and $70 for supper, the high cost of biking is a nightmare but it sure beats the low cost of sitting around and thinking about biking 😀
True this. Bike and gear are a one off expense (for a couple of years) but when you live outside of mountainous area every trip costs a considerable amount of money - petrol, a place to stay, food, lift. If you go on trips often it can easily reach a cost of good, new bike per year.
This observation is very on point. It's one thing to purchase a relatively expensive tool for the job that can be enjoyed for many years. Quite another to throw tons of money away on fuel that is expensive right now for no good reason. Even living 20 miles from the nearest trail I feel this way. It would be difficult to justify an actual road trip to ride elsewhere right now.
Yep, spent much more on travel than on the bike.
Having been away from mountain biking for 10 years, and recently come back to it, it must be said that a large part of this massive cost comes from media channels such as your own. You normalised spending the value of a good used car on a mountain bike, and make videos on “budget beginner” bikes that still cost four figures. It’s actually insane, and sadly it’s not recognised by those that live and breath the sport. As many others have said, prices will increase, they will never come back down, they never do in any profit making industry and biking will be no different, and you will normalise it. An amazing adventure can be had on a £300 used hard tail and given the times we live in you would do well to not only remember that, but actively promote and normalise it!
This... very much. It always irritates me how bike media channels say that "Budget" is "around £1500". I've never paid anywhere close to that for any of my bikes, and they're more than capable. All the time people pay this sort of money and subscribe to that sort of mindset, the prices will stay where they are. We should vote with our wallets a whole lot more!
Absolutely spot on.
Fact! Profit margins trump the needs of the avg mtb'er!
You are so right it seems like to be an mtber you have to have an over priced bike, buy all the clothing and shoes, accessories it's never ending and i also sense a kind of snobbery over what bike you ride, it must have one of the big names on it or it's shit.
Why can't magazines and media channels review bike's the masses can afford, and not bike's you would have to sell a kidney for.
Spot on dude
I'd like to know what it actually costs to build a MTB that cost the consumer $6K US dollars to buy. I'd say if we knew, we'd be astounded.
I haven't been able to afford a new Mountain Bike in over 10 years, for crying out loud most Mountain bikes now cost more than my car!
I feel like some companies take advantage of this crisis and inflate prices just for extra profits. Will not name the company, but the same hardtail bike model as last year, with worse components costs almost 50% more (+500 euro) than it did in 2021. They actually put worse parts on the new bike, but the price went up almost 50%, that's crazy and there is no way it's justified.
It works as a chain, raw material goes up 10%, manufactures of components put price up 10% to keep their profit margins, assembly 10%, shop 10%… something that’s £10 is now £14.61 - the companies are now making more money because keeping the same margins but on a now higher priced part but justify it with “we’re paying 10% more too” and now the cost is 46% higher than before.
ah go on.. name and shame please
When mountain bikes became more expensive than motorcycles and cars that's when the price crisis started because manufacturers found out real quick they can charge an arm and a leg for a small amount of technology and people will pay for it
e bikes cost the same as some motor bikes in NZ
@@tonyvanhout2394 same in Germany--and for a fully e-MTB you really have to spend 5k or you end up with a 4k bike with almost unusable cheap brakes...
My friends ebikes cost more than my Yamaha V Star and Kawasaki Vulcan S.......combined.
No. Prices won’t go down as people are still paying those insane prices. So why would they go down?
It is not like we have a choice. Unless you are fine with riding old wack bikes
The cycling fad produced by covid is still going on and now with inflation we could see the prices stay at this level for the next year's to come, sales will eventually reduce and so will prices
@@r2d3vadar92 what does that have anything to do with this? Geez stop tweaking
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@@maucina12 I’m on a 2016 Lapierre Zesty, it’s a great bike and a better ride than I’ll ever be a rider - at the moment new prices are insane, I’m happy using the second hand market and grabbing a bargain 👍🏻
capitalism isn't a charity opportunity. If we're willing to pay current prices, manufacturers will continue to charge them whether costs go down or not.
Well prices will go up a whole lots more.... when China invades Taiwan!
Any sensible bike manufacturers will be pulling out of there or at least making contingency plans.
It literally costs as much as harley davidson or any nice crotch rocket so yea it's way overpriced for these simple bike parts to cost more than motorcycle parts cost.
Has there EVER been one mtb product that has gone down in price (not counting stuff that’s been superseded by new stuff)?
Dropper posts gave for sure got much cheaper
I called a shop and asked them how much it cost to service the lowers on the forks and the basic service on the rear shock and they wanted 260 dollars....
Well well worth getting the supplies to do it yourself! One train of thought is that you should learn definitely learn to fix your own toys
@@chris4536 the supply's are jacked up in price too everywhere I can find them. A 50 service kit for just the front fork is 75$
I started learning to wrench my own gear when I lived in an area where I didn't think the local shops did very good work.
I paid 280
When i bought my Ripley AF there were no used bikes on the market. Now there is and prices in the state of Georgia are dropping. Used prices and availability will putpressure on newbikes ringing prices down.
Buy used, there’s loads of good 2019 - 2021 bikes for about half what the original owner paid - let someone else take the initial financial hit.
Nothing wrong with these bikes either, arguably better bikes than most of the people riding them, most weekend warriors don’t get anywhere near the limits of the bike they own.
The lack of transferrable warranty is a sticking point though.
That's a great point to make, Simon! The secondhand market is a brilliant place to pick up a good bike for a bargain price. 👍
Buy used or slightly old tech. I think most people probably buy too much bike/fork/brakes for what they really need anyways.
I am pretty sure there re no increases in import duty because of Brexit , there may be a some additional paperwork to do for goods coming from the EU but no import duty and import duties from china are unchanged as would other far east manufacturing countries , the other points are all valid but Brexit is red-herring
I'll not get too political here but the whole pricing increases is unfortunately by design, due to the economic system. only system change will impact this in any meaningful way.
Two words: Corporate Greed
When I look at new bikes, my dad can't understand how bikes have got so expensive. In the late 90s, he got a pro spec titanium Raleigh for under £2000. Nowadays that price range is considered 'budget' it's crazy.
$2000 in 1990 is$$4550 today with inflation.
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No prices will not drop, the best you can hope for is the increases level off. Shipping costs went crazy post pandemic and following the blocking of the Suez Canal but are dropping now, its not just the excessive costs it is the huge delays causing stock outs that screw everyone up!! Material prices are a factor but a small one, BIkes are not massive products, there is probably less the 50 cents of steel in a chain, but the impact of energy costs and employment costs on manufacturing we are stuck with ☹. And with appologies to everyone outside of the UK for the final rant!!! Brexit has made a difference. If you look at the online stores in Europe their prices are almost always less than UK prices, so when you take your bike on holiday take the opportunity to refresh your drivetrain while you are there 😁
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There will be a minor price correction over time, but nothing close to the price increase experienced over the past 2-3 years. History has proven this many times.
Mountain biking has always been really expensive, unless your really lucky or save up a ton it's hard to get nice stuff. There aren't too many (moden) entry level options out there. Even the used bikes are spendy.
History says that prices will absolutely not go back down. I would just love to see them stabilize and hold value for a few years.
Two years ago I bought a new chain (and a spare) for my 10-speed drivetrain. Since its a consumable part, I don't buy the super high-end version. Was around 12€. Last week I fixed up my neighbours kids bike with the same drivetrain, but the cheap option was sold out at the lbs. So I bought the cheapest option they had still available and it was 40€. Cheapest option I could find available online was 28€. By now my original cheap chain from two years ago is back in stock at the online retailer for 21€.
My point is: Not only did prices increase, but availability became an issue as well. If you need a part quickly, the cheaoest option might not be available and you have to dive deeper into your wallets. I do try to have spares for my most important parts and have some old componentry lying around, but my income and my apartment (flat for UK people) have limits.
Bikes are expensive. True.
Riding itself doesn't have to be.
Of course, if you insist on an endless flow-trail with mirror smooth finishes and an uplift, then eating at a restaurant and staying at a hotel .... that's a different thing ....
If you get out and ride a local trail, it is almost "free". Sure, pads, tires, fluids, grips, chains .. etc ... but there is no $100/day rental or entry fees.
In Costa Rica a bike park costs you $8 a day. No uplift though in many, or +$8 for half a day of crowded shuttling on a truck.
Or you e-bike shuttle ... or normal-bike pedal up.
Sure with kids you have to stay at a decent place, and you don't want all your crap stolen... and at 50 I wouldn't sleep in a park (like I would when I was 20 and broke and visiting a contest in a country I couldn't afford) :O
But their example assumed you have 12 speed chains that stretch in under a year, compared to 5+ years for the old 8speeds
Caption contest. No no no. Fame has not gone to our heads. Ppssshhh
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bought all my gear used so it wasn't too bad. Bikes are very durable and fixable, no reason to buy new.
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the electric bike are selling like crazy!
Forgotten about sky high inflation chaps
Don't blame Brexit......you wanna see the product prices in Europe compared to the UK....You've got it good.
BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! Same old tired BS excuses to pay stupid money for crap. Creaking, ridiculous amounts of maintenance, oval wholes for bottom brackets, engineering mistakes that a first year graduate should catch, etc etc.
ebay is the way I've had my eyes on 2021 - 2022 bikes for between ?550 and ?650 when they are ?1000 - ?1900 in value Trek / Boardman / Specialized bought my specialized sirrus X 2.0 for ?460
As a old newbie to MTB, your videos have been wicked good for me to get on the trails safely and been having a blast. I am 52 and got my first jump with “real” air today. Safely done with only about 90hrs on a hard tail. Keep it up guys!!!
Yes Everything has gone up in price and it sucks! She
Went to Killington Vermont USA last weekend. Just a lift ticket is 80ddollars. Had a great day and it was wud
Worth every penny, but yeah shits expensive! And that's not SICK!
A real world example of how expensive MTBing is: I bought a BMW S1000 RR for £8470 two weeks ago, a lad I work with has Santa Cruz nomad that cost him £9700!
What's all this drive side nonsense??? Surely sick brakes take precedence before some consumable parts
A really good bike is cheaper than it’s been maybe almost ever, if inflation is taken into account. I just got a new Ripmo Af for 25% off. 3300 bucks. It needs zero upgrades! When has a bike with that capability ever been cheaper? Would I like to pay less, do I think tire prices are insane? Yup! But damn, that’s all the bike I need.
I am desperate to see Blake, send it on a mono!
As for the Cost of Biking Crisis, I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me why any front suspension fork should cost more than £200.
I think Sandy at Trailhead (Shrewsbury) has really underestimated the cost of Brexit. The cost of shipping will come down, the cost of raw materials will come back down eventually but Brexit is the gift that will keep on giving.
I ride a e-MTB HT and it gladdened my heart to see so many nice hardtails on the show. Keep up the good work lads. JC out!
Everything functions properly th-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Nothing was damaged in the box aside from a decal on the fork. The decal was missing a piece of a corner but I ended up peeling them off anyways. Assembly is easy BUT make sure you tune up the derailleurs. Both the front and rear need adjusting. I'd advise going to a bike shop but I opted out and put in 10+ hours with the help of TH-cam. Ended up fraying a shifter cable but all in all I learned from the experience. The Brakes work well but the front caliper needs adjusting or at least mine did because the rotor was rubbing against the pads. Make sure you swap out the seat, grips, and pedals. For the short run you'll be fine though. I've read that this bike isn't built yet for hard trails but I just need it for the city. PA has some of the worst roads and being in a mountain this was a great choice. Worth the investment!
Brexit excuse is Bullshit most products come from Asia not EU and we have favourable trade deals with Japan etc. The EU have same problems as us so using Brexit as an excuse is just a political lie. Keep your political views out of the bikeshed? Not everyone is EU loving flunky. Perhaps Mr Ashton should move his bikeshed to Brussels or the Yarpie to Capetown if the UK is expensive?
I went from being a daily rider to maybe twice this entire summer. A lot of that rests on the fact that my bike needs have changed and I can’t justify spending close to $4000 for a relatively entry level bike (stumpy comp Al). I can’t ride as often now with a kid so it doesn’t seem worth it. So now my activity is running. If that new bike was like $2500 and same spec I would be mountain biking every weekend. Still watch the show regularly tho.
Inflation my ass. These prices are up another 60% from the 60% in 2020. Whats going on is greedy bike companies and cyclists that are willing to clamor for the privilege of overpaying for shit. It feels like they want to just brag about how much they paid for things.
Thank you.... Now I know that Brexit is the cause of high prices for parts in Sweden!!!
I am from the UK and live in Sweden and work as a professional bike mechanic and agree you are correct with observations of raw materials and shipping costs but did not mention the low availability of parts and fuel costs.
Understanding here is that things will not get back to normal with the supply chain until 2024!! I do not think this will change the prices of parts though?
gave up watching at 5:49 due to the political viewpoint.... such a shame!
If you made a GMBN UNDESTRUCTABLE shirt I would definitely buy one of every color.
Componentry??? The elephant in the room is the prices of the bikes themselves! Christ allmighty what has happened? Regardless of material cost, and shipping, what is going on with bike prices rising over 30-40%. Ebikes are a category of its own with an immense increase too. Will the increase in gas prices we see now further push prices up as more people will choose to ride bikes to commute?
If one goes downhill biking, stays in a hotel, and eats in a restaurant, then yes - it is expensive. But there's ways to keep costs low. Other then downhill biking, you don't pay to ride trails (you just contribute by helping build the trails). And you can stay in hostels or camp. And you can eat sandwiches and quaff tall cans instead of dropping a brown back in a restaurant.
the demand during covid jacked up the new and used marketplace across the globe, what was it.. 200% increase to popularity of the sport? though that has already started to return to normal.
why the heck has shipping gone up so much though? wow
Many Companies are testing the boundries of prices. If we pay it, the prices will stay the same. If demand falls, so will prices. Its coplicated bht no matter what happens, the little guys (bike businesses) loose! The big bike copaniss stand to buy out the little guys and make bank.
all your featured mtb’s go downhill fast, but uphill? nah, I’ve built from the wheels up, a mtb that goes both directions easily. And I’m keeping that under my hat.
#captioncontest - when she wears a GMBN jersey AND pink POC helmet!
Helps to have a pro mechanic as a mate .. NZ dollar $95 an hour @shop .. unless you are fully loaded or your rich parents think it’s an investment it’s not sustainable. IMO
Everyone's still buying at these prices. The prices will never drop. What's the point? More money in companies pockets once production costs go down (if they do)
I can thoroughly recommended the Waypoint Pale Ale at Gari's while you watch the last jump on A Line...!
I don’t get the price when you break down the bike from parts that are on it your paying 3k-5k just for a carbon frame. Also seems that carbon has gotten weaker. Bikes have gone up with the value I feel like going down this is every industry not just mountain biking car industry etc it’s greed for sure
Everything is so expensive in the bike industry... Now check out the stuff we have to see you... Brilliant.
Take spare tires with you when coming to whistler. One Maxxis tyre costs up to 130€😵💫
If they keep building better bikes the best bikers will buy them and it creates a problem. Those bikers design and build trails, and they design more complex trails built for great bikes with the best suspension and for their skills..and then everyone needs the “right” bikes for the trails they’re riding. Adding to that the rate of inflation…meh!
Almost all factors might get better, except inflation. Money is getting worthless, and that's will just get worse not better. I hope prices will go down, but honestly I expect things to get more expensive. A lot more expensive.
Prices wont go down until the Chinese brands start taking over by undercutting them, and even then that’s a big maybe. At the end of the day, big companies only really care about profit. Your passion and personal feelings for the sport are irrelevant.
I wouldn't say this problem is unique to MTB. I'm a musician too (drums, specifically), and really it all comes down to what the consumer is willing to pay, even if that means financing/going into debt. And a lot of that is driven by product hype. Certain components and brands are marketed as "must-haves," and consumers are willing to pay the price just to keep up with the Joneses. Manufacturers can charge a lot, because people have shown that they are willing to pay a lot. The market will only change if people change their spending habits.
now that they've got away with overcharging, they aren't going to go back to a fair price. that's not how capitalism works, greed greed greed! that's how capitalism works! 🙁
It's not just mountain biking that's expensive. Everything else is too.
Ppl will never stop paying exorbitant prices for mediocre/everyday gear.
Not that all Mtb gear is mediocre, but even the lower bike companies are cashing in on their crap ever since Covid.
looking into the financials of companies like shimano they are currently making record breaking profits. But sure lets just blame the supply chain and every other reason. They've put their prices up because they can. Sales have been increasing even at these raised prices so they will continue to be sky high until demand drops
The prices were already sky high before brexit, high inflation... Look at the price of bike parts compared with car or motor bike part they are ridiculous.
Prices will not come down. It has been proven where you have people that will happily pay these higher prices…and defend the price increase. Unless people are willing to stop paying the high prices which is unlikely…they will not come back down.
LOL. You're freaking kidding, right? You can't be that clueless.
The section where the two fellas modelled helmets was a low note. Those pink=gay, gay=effeminate -stereotypes are tired and unhelpful.
I skateboard and mountain bike , skateboards have stayed the same price since the 80s . I think the trend of Mt biking over the pandemic is the main cause of everything being more expensive on your bike .
Im living in china and im build my own bikes with 30usd frames that are left outs of the production from these major brands that are having their factories in ml china
Will the price come down?........lol no
It’s only expensive to ride if you insist on riding all the new equipment, there are plenty of older bikes out there with great components at really good prices.
Greetings from Ukraine! Yeah I'm happy we didn't have Brexit...
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@@simonm1447 Heroyam Slava! (Glory to Heroes) Thanks to Australia for the support :)
The price of bikes have gone up at least 30% compared to pre-pandemic about 2-3 years ago. A previously $3000 bike is now a $4000 bike. Insane inflation! I doubt that prices will go back down.
Depends on if UK Canada and USA join in on the global Revolution.
Prices never go down unfortunately. Once they see people continuing to buy the product they will consider they got away with it. I live on the continent and things are expensive here too!
brake discs are stupidly expensive a used pair in decent condition can go for £50 and these weren't even some top notch model
Whichever producer/editor is in charge of the snarky on screen text is in point this week. Hilarious!
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Caption contest: "When Blake and Rich drop the stunt mug and see that it is in fact UNdestructable!"
Good one! 😅
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#captioncontest Two totally modest dudes braggin' about their latest shred...
Why was crankworx slopestyle not live streamed on redbull?
Nice hack of Martyn, using a notebook (?) to level your laptop on uneven tables :D
#captioncontest - touching hearts and breaking parts!
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Im losing interest in the sport after 20 years because i cant afford it. A 5k bike is a good average price, 10-15k+ for a bike is a joke. The 10x shipping increase is pure greed.
Iv been riding for a long time as well. Just went to the bike shop today. Nearly every bike they had started at 6k.
On if the price will go down... NOT!!!!! "Don't ever let a good crisis go to waste."
The only way prices are going down is, if demand goes down and in mtb we have always paid more than we should.
Nymeria is a big fan of the show. She was super stoaked to be featured. You guys made our day 🥰🥰
for what it is, mountain bikes are out of this world in pricing. Won’t go there. period.
....Also, did you liberate Sandie from Santas groto?
thats why I mountain bike casually and also went back to skateboarding.
Good Day Blake
How is the progress on van build going?
Y'all posted an reminder to watch this video 18 months after the video.