Retro Mountain Bike Bonanza! | Some Of My Favourite MTBs From Over The Years
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- Doddy is in Retro Bike heaven as he takes a stroll around the Malverns Classic Mountain Bike Festival and checks out retro GTs, Specializeds, Treks, and more!
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What was your favourite bit of retro-tech from this video?
The GT with the shock in the triple triangle, I can hardly believe I just saw that bike. You are the man.
Cantilever brakes.
Retro bike nerd out is easily the best content on the channel possibly network, it could be on its own channel GMBN classic. I am always instantly all over it like a tramp on chips…
Fat chance closely followed by the purple pace!!!! Loved the fat chance brand! I remember having my diamond back apex resprayed and I re branded it Thin chance!! Went as far as using the Mint sauce letters😂🤣😂 great vid as always sir!
Wanted to see the ATX or a GT Lobo
I remember going from cantilevers to V brakes and thinking how game changing that was hah
It was pure freedom! Vastly easier to center and they actually slower the bike!
@@jokermtb your only remembering the good v brakes always had much less rim clearance and suffered in the mid
The stopping power of v brakes when set up correctly is incredible. I used to stoppie for days 😭 dry days anyway haha
I remember putting v-brakes on my old bike after running canti and thought WOW stopping is unreal haha now bottle shelf disc or even mechanical disc brakes are way better but v-brakes were great at the time haha
How about drum brake at the rear? I miss that squeaking noise... lol
Do you have the link for the Dirt video please? I literally have that on VHS still, awesome vid!
th-cam.com/video/WeCGFUB6We0/w-d-xo.html
I have that on VHS to can't remember if I bought it or we got it free from MBUK ... Still a great video and now I have 2 proflexes lol as I can afford them.
@@stevenconnor4221 free from MBUK dude, thanks for the link! 😁
Only disappointment was that this episode wasn't at least an hour long. I love the enthusiasm while acknowledging the different between old and cool, but rubbish, rather than getting stuck in the past and ignoring all the real improvements we've all come to take for granted.
Yeah an hour is still not enough! ✌️
His knowledge and the level of enthusiasm he displays for the old bikes is unparalleled. Great content!
Love the enthusiasm of the older stuff.Doddy you will have to do a piece on the more obscure retro groupsets-Mavic Mountain,Campag,Browning BEAST,Suntour etc.That would be a treat.Doddy`s retro reports are rapidly becoming my favourite GMBN content!
They were not awefull, they where challenging and fun.
And what a Joy of having the brakes all balanced without any rub after 2 hours of fine tuning.
The biggest gem in this video is Doddy - what a legend! So entertaining to hear from him, especially about the "awful" parts.😄
I would love to see a full episode of all the "awful" retro tech there was. Now that would be entertaining.
@@knarfis 100%! There’s got to be some absolutely terrible tech floating about 😂
Biggest thing for me was reliving how insane dialing in cantilever brakes were……didn’t even mention spring tension centering via the brake posts, which was pure hell (diacompe 986’s!!!!)
my favorite GMBN video yet! This was the world I started mtn biking in…late 80s/early 90s insanity! flash back to my college days!
This episode had me grinning ear to ear!! Great memories. Loved it!
Cantilever brakes weren't awful. Properly set up they can throw anyone over the bars if you squeeze them to hard.
Maybe with all four fingers, coka cola on the rims, and throwing your weight forward...
Those Spin Rims. I ALWAYS wanted some, lusted after then in magazines as a kid.
I went through two pairs of them on my GT Zaskar. The coolest thing about them that no one ever says is the way they sounded when you rode. They made a "womp, womp, womp" noise from the spokes slicing the air. I cracked one of the spokes in a crash on one, and then had the rim delaminate on my second pair. Looking back, they were pretty bad...flexed like crazy (lots of brake rub) and were heavy, but they looked cool. The hubs were surprisingly pretty reliable because they had massive cartridge bearings. Cool wheels, but not super great... especially trying to do XC races on them. I think I was just a naive kid at the time trying to emulate Hans Rey.
I had a set. At high speed, on road say, you would get this, well, "high speed wobble". Not the greatest most confidence-inspiring feeling.😂 But they were sooo cool.
Back then you could literally throw anodised parts at a bike, and it would look amazing! However, try that now and I think it would look ridiculous. Am I alone with this thought?
Nope, thought the same. Back then one would buy new Graftons just because your shop suddenly had a pair available in violet and your black or silver ones were obviously not cutting it anymore stylewise. :D
Come on bulleyes jockey wheels , Ringle mojos and co2 cages plus white porcs made the bike ride much quicker
@@whollyspokes3645 white porcs were so effin cool - until it rained :D
@@manuelmartensen
Panaracer butterscotch magic tyres ohh getting old !
How many anodised parts is too much? And what colour? There seems to be a bit of a comeback, quite a few brands are now offering coloured parts.
Fantastic video, I still think the 90s especially the early to mid 90s were the true golden years of mountain biking, watching this video really took me back. Thank you for making this wonderful retro video.
Favorite thing from this video was your enthusiasm for all the classic mtbs you checked out at RMBB.
When scrolling thru YT, my heart skipped a beat when I saw the thumb nail of this video... I had a Giant ATX 1DH TE! I had Marzocchi Monster T's, blue/red Tioga saddle, Shimano hydros front and rear, Dice 26f and 24r, Intense tyres, FUNN stem, etc etc...!!! After an injury to my spine (unrelated to riding), I had to sell it... I've always wanted to try and track down the frame for a keepsake!!! 🤘 Awesome video!!!
Old bikes might be crap to ride, but they're still fun to ride! My Barracuda XX-XC with Spin mags and a Girvin fork gets all the looks when I bring it out.
Doddy isn't kidding about brakes though. Even V-brakes stink compared to discs, but they were a huuuge jump from the old cantilevers!
I still have a DCD in my parts stash.....
As for the Pace square tubing bikes....They were the ultimate lust bike for me.....I never got one though, as I started on rigid Kona's with P2 forks....I remember having Tioga Psycho II tyres and Onza Bar ends on my early bikes...Even a USE suspension seatpost and naff RockShox Quadra forks....
I did own a 1997 GT LTS4000, but alas is was nicked from my shed (along with a Kona) in the early 2000's.....The GT full susser, however, was a godsend as it was good with a baby seat on when daughter was very small....
What a great video and many bikes I recognised....McRoy was very a good MTB rider....I had the "Dirt" VHS as well...
I really do like old retro stuff, and would love to build up an old canti brake frame with some modern parts though....frames are somewhat expensive now though....
Great video yet again.....I do like the Tech Show
I really like the fact that you're into vintage mountainbikes. I remember seeing all these bike names listed in bike magazines... I'm talking about the bike shop catalogues' adverts... AND NOT KNOWING WHAT THEY LOOKED LIKE! Not being able to google anything!! Having to wait for it to be reviewed in some other magazine edition I suppose. That's how it was.
I just bought a 2004 specialized Enduro pro mountain bike for $400 from some guy at Starbucks that said it was too small for him it's a medium frame only weighs 27 lb it's the best full suspension downhill bike that I've ever owned or could afford
I bought the first model fork Rock Shock fork sold. That was a game changer. Then we debated BioPace chainrings impact on your knees. Followed by bobbing when climbing on full suspension came out.
One thing you forgot to mention about canti's... If the down cable snapped, the straddle cable would snag your front tyre and send you arse over apex over the bars.
Or ball first into the headset!
There were catcher stems below the middle link to avoid exactly this…I didn‘t have one though, no risk, no fun…
@@Chief_Engineer I bodged a catcher out of a reflector bracket.
@@computerbob06 That comment brought back some painful memories!
: )
Love the retro stuff keep it up planning on sending in a bunch of pics of my retro colletion to ya guys soon..... BTW 26ers are not dead!
The early days of an industry are always the most interesting.
As Doddy says, just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks!
Very easy to get stuck on rails now, never stop innovating - we can always go faster.
7:30 black magic indeed :}
in theory cantilever brakes can be set up to have a enormous mechanical advantage (the ratio of squeeze force by hand to squeeze force by the pads) but the tradeoff is long lever travel (you trade distance for force, just like the gear ratio trades peddling rpm for torque).
the mechanical advantage is in the cable yoke angle with 90deg having mechanical adv of 1 and 0deg having infinity (a horizontal straddle cable).
having a small yoke angle is impractical as the brake lever needs to travel a long distance for the pads to move just a bit. (there was a pulley system you could use to shorten the lever travel distance)
trial riders would grind the rims and apply violin resin for improved braking power in wet conditions. those ppl are obsessed with their brakes for some reason :}
I still ride a '99 s-works stumpy. Those avid arch breaks are legit.
not getting your feet out of the toe clips and falling over sideways though ☺️ good times
What an awesome vid @GMBN Tech. I love the enthusiasm for the past, and would love to see more. That GT was mind blowing! I really think just like classic cars, classic bikes are going to continue to gain in popularity, as they’re important pieces of history. You guys need to get some vintage Gary Fishers on the channel.
Really good to reminisce. Had a delta V back in the day. Thanks for a trip down memory lane
Best episode EVER!
I have a all original K2 razorback RS.
Love the old school bikes
Incredible, loved every second of that! More please.
So many of my dream bikes as a kid in this video. I just bought a mint 1997 Trek Y11. Man have bikes come along way, but they don't look near as cool as this thing. Lol. My opinion anyway.
I recently bought a bike from the 90's for a bit of fun. Man it's sooo easy to forget how far we've come in terms of development! 😐 It took me a minute to remember how to set up a quill stem for example! 😆
But I have to say other than the very narrow bars and the insane lack of grip I was supprised at how decent my new old bike rides! A real blast from the past!
Nice! Send us some pics at upload.gmbn.com/tech 🤘
@@gmbntechwhere can I get one of those chain guides
Wow, what you call retro, I am still riding! Damn, I need a new bike... Great show as always Doddy
I am still riding the KHS I bought new in 1992. Rides too smooth to let it go.
@13:31 the little kid with the full face helmet in the back
gmbn: blake rides toe clips
Wooo!! Retro bikes😎😎🤘🤘
wow...amazing video..!
i got into mtb's around 1990 when i had a go on a mate's Raleigh montage atb and when down a steep path and manage to hang on... i was addicted..! then bought a raleigh mustang (then bought my mates montage... then around 1991 i bought a white 18 inch trek 950 for 500 quid... put some bar ends on and 2.1 porcupine tyres and loved it..
used to buy most of the mmtb bike mags and still have some pages cut out of some f the north east routes like blanchland and hexhamshire moors etc.. :)
Oh God I remember racing in the 80s on full hardtails no front suspension either, I still have my custom Fisher Mt Tam fillet braised all-steel frame...what a ride it was, still is and my gravel bike, drop bars and all, converted to disc brakes
As a guy who is over 40 I remember when these were new. I had a purple GT RTS-3. I was very happy to get rid of it. Although I did turn heads as I was one of the few in my Michigan town with a full suspension bike. I used to race at the local ski resort. I had a friend who had an elevated chain stay Haro. Watching this brings back so many memories of my early 20's in northern Michigan. I much prefer many of these older mountain bikes to the new stuff. Thank you.
Dude, your enthusiasm is infectious. Watching you lose your shit over bikes that I had postered on my bedroom wall as a kid is like stepping back in time. Keep it coming I love watching this.
It's so cool to see the things we rode back then. I even saw a couple of C'dales and GTs I had. And the white Onza Porcupine! Everybody asked me about that. Panaracer Smoke in the rear, white Onza Porcupine up front. Those were the days.
I used to run the smoke lite 1.9 in the rear and the porcupine in the front. I remember the white knobbies shedding like crazy. so much fun.
Errrm.....Doddy, I need new pants!
What a beautiful collection of vintage mtbs, most of which I drooled over as a sprog mtb'er.
JMC Stumpy, I welled up as you described what He'd had done for the UK mtb scene.I still have DIRT on VHS! I remember nearly all these bikes because of MTBUK, I'm so glad I'm resubscribing and riding again. Keep up the great work. 👍
Buddy, your as old as I am. No....as hardened as me. My kids don't even know how to put the tape in the VHS (or even understand that the tape is the thing showing them the gold). DIRT is the bomb, watch it; they will be enlightened. We are not old, just experienced. They'll learn from us and further our luv of MTB. Oh, you're right; I need new pants too 😖 smelly. Build'm, they'll ride'm 🙌
That Yeti Ultimate is giving me the feels. I remember drilling a little hole in the bottom of the Manitou Fork to let air escape during compression. Made it much more responsive!
Fairy liquid works on bacon fat...and bikes...and is cheaper and better for the environment....paid promotion pants.
Cool retro bikes, still hanging onto GT LTS 1000DS, GT LTS 2000DS, GT STS XCR1000, GT STS-1.
Simply amazing when I hit the Powerball I’m going to collect all of these
Doddy. At 16ish I was working in our LBS lacing sick Ringle hubs, to Wheelsmith Spokes, and Mavic ceramic rims. I wrecked myself REALLY good one time MTB, and was hobbling like an old man at work. One of our sales reps came in the shop and saw how jacked up I was, and said like "dude, you need a cane". Not long after, a box showed up to the shop addressed to me. Inside was a cane made from a Syncros bar end, and straight gauge Syncros handle bar stock 3 feet long. It was high polish aluminum, bespoke, and bad-ass. It had a letter from Syncros wishing me Get Well. I am 43 and still have it. Retro as fuck. Anyone else ever seen one of these?? I should send in a pic. Cheers!
I have a feeling that you got sent a one of a kind there, man! Pretty cool. I'm guessing that you don't actually need the cane anymore?
Rad! Please send in some pics to upload.gmbn.com/tech 🤘🔧
@@gmbntech I shall. :)
Still have a mint GT LTS2000 with some Race Face parts and Z1 BAMs. Could never bring myself to sell it.
@5:15, I had a set of Spin wheels with ceramic coating (tungsten carbide cobalt) on the rim brake tracks.
And that, my friend, is a Topline SLS crankset. I had one in silver. Super craazy light for the day. They were like 375 grams per set, or something like that.
@7:48, absolutely spot on, they sucked. I had a set of XTRs with Ti hardware from SRP. Sold it all on ebay, never looked back. They *sucked*
the Durango i think might've been an old Jamis?? Nice to see so much cool old stuff, you ended up talking about the SPD system with the YO's, Klein, and the Yeti's, luckily you had something good in the background :D :D :D
Is there a bike component that Doddy doesn't know the model name/number part no. , colour variations available, manufacturer , metallurgical analysis, etc.? 😄
Also, on the subject of old mountain bikes who here remembers the splinter group the “Non Lycra Mountain bike league“ Baggie Beach shorts and flappy T shirts were the required clothing.
Oh man! X-lite, Spin wheels, GT RTS, Pace and loads of other stuff not even mentioned!!! Didn't expect to enjoy this vid half as much as I did but I don't have feel old!!! 😂
The bike is solid and my Ebike conversion went great. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Very smooth ride at 30mph with no problems (135 miles ridden so far). The picture is a bit deceiving - there is WAY less space in the center of the frame than it shows. The suspension connection takes up the entire thing. So I needed to attach my battery on the bottom of the frame and my controller on the top. Instructions for assembly were lacking but honestly it wasn't too hard to figure out even though I have very little bike knowledge. Watched some youtube videos on adjusting the disk brakes but that was it. Still, I am loving it and very happy with the purchase.
The bike is solid and my Ebike conversion went great. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Very smooth ride at 30mph with no problems (135 miles ridden so far). The picture is a bit deceiving - there is WAY less space in the center of the frame than it shows. The suspension connection takes up the entire thing. So I needed to attach my battery on the bottom of the frame and my controller on the top. Instructions for assembly were lacking but honestly it wasn't too hard to figure out even though I have very little bike knowledge. Watched some youtube videos on adjusting the disk brakes but that was it. Still, I am loving it and very happy with the purchase.
This video really brings back a lot of good old memories on how I got hooked to cycling, especially MTB. From those jerseys to the bikes, and that I could only dream about getting those fancy bikes like the Cannondale Vs, Yeti, Trek Y-33, the list just goes on and on
I used to work in a Bike shop back in the 90s that sold Yeti and Fat Chance and stuff. THX for bringing the feeling back...
seeing this makes me miss my GT Zaskar LE (1993 model ball burnished) kitted with red and green X-Lite and USE parts, lovely bike, though mostly used for commuting than anything else until I had a hit and run accident, someone drove into the back of my bike, it did more damage to me than my bike though!
Ritchey Logic cantilevers…. Not sure how I’m still alive after using them!
I will say it again, I love this stuff!!!! Thanks Doddy
Just a quick note. Profile get a lot of credit for welded tubular cranks on BMXs, dating back to the late 1970's. 1979 I believe, but Bullseye beat them to it the previous year. An article I read made it seem they were still bitter about Profile's success.
Sable? Don't all bikes that have front suspension, have inverted forks? Dirt bikes switched over in the 80/90s and never looked back.
Haha!! Odyssey triple traps… I also have ankle craters from those monstrosities!!
I tell everyone I meet who is into mountain bikes about my chrome pace rc200 f5 that I had stolen in 1998 when I was 18, buying the frame and the rc35s from my mates dad, and then putting on a full Shimano xt brake and drivetrain system, pale blue Chris king headset and titanium seat, cost a total of a grand which I'd saved up, but was worth double with that set-up! But what a bike, the forks alone felt like they had way more travel than they actually did. My brother used to have one of those suspension stems, can't remember what they were called man, dad's still got his super v in the garage too haha!
You’re talking about stuff that seems so normal to me like it all came from pyramids in Egypt. Made me feel so old. Calling stuff I grew up with odd and old! All the MBA on my bookshelf have adds for this stuff with circles on them marking what I wanted to buh
what a piece of crap the rts was compared to that red gt... good thing the lts came. and you know what? my young kid on his quarter-century bonded trek 7000 zx with non-paralell shit v-brakes will still kick your ass in a wheelie. same would apply to classic cantilevers, been there.
You know what I've not seen in years: AMP linkage forks, and the Maverick upside down fork
Doddy is the most relatable person at GMBN for me because he really understands and appreciates where the tech came from, both good and bad. That Cannondale is an awful design, but Cannondale was instrumental in taking designs to new heights. I remember seeing many of these on the trails in the 90s while living in Durango, CO.
I love retro mountain bikes . I started on an steel United , no suspension ( Made in England ) all Shimano equipped , from 2001 .
Loved this, like yesteryear. Didnt know that about X-Lite and Muc Off
Perfect. Using brakes that didn't work did make you feel like you're going faster!
With the right tools (I used a simple bike tool kit th-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L that you can strap to the bike) it's simple to assemble. As a 270lb guy looking for a way to get more exercise that's easy on my feet I have been impressed by this bike. The tires ship with air in the tires, but before you ride you need to pump them up som more, but once you do you can ride with confidence. You'll definitely want to replace the seat if you're going to ride for any real distance, but that's the case with most bikes. I'm loving it and it has given me a hobby from my youth back.
anyone can recommend where I can buy 1inch diameter steerer dual crown fork? Recommendation appreciated. Thanks in advance.
That orange i believe is a very rare 'formula' not a 'clockwork', proper unicorn.
downwote, you always have to say older bikes ride worse than modern bikes but u forget that not everyone wants to do josh bender drops and gnarly downhills with 65/80 "progressive" geo
Man, I miss the crazy mountain bike designs from the 90s. They were all horrible to ride, but so out there. They're awesome.
do you have any knowledge on purchasing the correct dork disc for bikes that have 11t-36t cassettes
Adjusting cantilevers is always a fun challenge. When they are right, they have better modulation than V-brakes and not much worse stopping power. Though in the wet they tend to be not that nice. :D Its all about symmetry and low straddle cable, combined with the pads sticking far in, arms wide and the proper amount of toe-in, which greatly depends on the flex and play on the bosses and pivots and the pads used.
That brings back a lot of great memories. I got into mountain biking back in 95 and had or knew people who had many of these parts. I can't imagine what 16 year old me would have thought about my current bike compared to what was available back then.
Doddy,
The headshock wasn't hard to work on (at least not any harder than other forks at the time). You had to have some specific tools but once you had those they were pretty straightforward to work on. I worked for a big Cannondale shop in the late 90s / early 2000s. I'd polish the races, change the grease on the needle bearings, and re-valve and add heavier oil in the damper. If the lower fork boot wasn't damaged, they would run forever. I've got one in the basement that still moves super smoothly.
Still believe the nicest looking retro bikes are the Klein bikes. The attitude colourways are still stunning today
All these bikes are new to me. Suspension used to be adjusting the air in your tires and maybe a flexi stem. Twin toe clips and Axo boots were the thing I ran. You really become one with the bike when you’re feet are strapped to the pedals… or you have horrific accidents 😂😂😂 The trick was to get the toe straps just tight enough without stopping you slip your foot out if you really had to.
13:31 I was thinking that it was a normal sized rider with a giant novelty helmet off in the background....
Old man geek overload! Awesome video.
Great to hear you like it, Ian, hopefully it helps educate people on how we got to where we are today 👍
Retro bike nerd out!!! 🤩
I still ride my Uber-V. Although the only original part now is the frame.
Thanks so much for your coverage of the vintage bikes. The enthusiasm you have takes me back to my younger years :)
I used to Crave the GT LTS ... and of course I spot me favorite Klein Adrooit in that iconic green
I got a 98 K2 Proflex 1000 new wheels forks shock 9 speed I love it
Must see for all MTB enthusiasts but didn't understand a bloody thing the chap said. Haha.
Not enough thumbs to up this video! Those Yeti's were incredible as were all of the bikes.
The key to toe strapped pedals, was to know how loose they needed to be. One did not crank them down to be one with the bike as he suggests. For rowdy downhill / Enduro technical riding in that era you needed to be able to slip out , if things went bad. You rode them like flats, with the strap limiting how far you were removed from the pedal, as well as allowing you to pull up on the pedal when necessary. Discerning line choice, and skillful dismounts out of a strapped toe clip before disaster struck was an art.
Great video! Still love riding Retro steel. Shame you went straight past the Dave Yates tho!!
Retro is typically used to refer to something of new manufacture, that has styling cues that harken back to an earlier era. The bikes you are referring to are technically vintage rather than retro. You’re welcome 😏
I'm restoring a Cannondale EST right now. Wish I knew where to get a decal set for it.
Wow! I've never seen so many mint vintage bikes in one spot, what an awesome event! U guys know how to enjoy the day. Thanks for sharing.
Back in the day I had an Onza seat post that had tool free adjustment basically the top just screwed on, I'd love to see something on that.
All that retro stuff is cool. TEAM HOT PIES are cooler!