10 Cards You Should Be Putting In Your Commander Decks | Episode 17
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- Episode 17! Finally at the end of the alphabet. But have no fear, there's much more to come.
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so i can't believe i missed this but while editing the video i realized you could also use widespread panic if you want to put stuff on top of your own library. like in a winota or gisath deck.
I use Widespread in my Elsha of the Infinite deck to hate on ramping and to cast a noncreature spell later on. It is amazing.
Omg, I love it. I have been musing putting together a deck to abuse that card but haven't realized the shenanigans you could do with it. Psychogenic Probe is an interesting card to ride along with it. Maybe add Ob-Nixilis that hits for ten on a tutor. Heck yeah!
seems good in my Bell Borca deck for this reason.
Widespread Panic indeed is amazing. I will be getting a copy!
Holy crap Widespread Panic is awesome! Gonna run it in "Vaevictus the Dire Hand Denier". Awesome find! :D
Fun Fact: Zur's weirding was the last card alphabetically in mtg from 1995 to 2020. There has finally been a card after it been printed.
Which?
@@milanvandergraaf9769 I'm guessing Zurzoth from Jumpstart.
@@mn6334 thanks
@@milanvandergraaf9769 There's also Zzzyxas's Abyss from 2004
@@felixmortem1177 Un-sets are in a world of their own.
Zur's Weirding works really well in a Tomorrow, Azami's Familiar deck. The commander replaces your draw with a 'Look at the top three cards of your library, choose one and put it into your hand, put the remaining cards on the bottom of your library' which technically isn't drawing a card, making you immune to the life pay ability.
Taigam, Sidisi's Hand is another that replaces the draw ability. Another commenter said it would have some synergy with Sidisi, so that might be some additional flavor to add. You could get even more cards into your grave with effect, all while not having to throw the good cards away.
Maybe not super relevant but I like the interaction of Zur's weirding in a Sidisi deck, because the creature cards that your opponents don't let you draw will go straight to the graveyard from your library and thus trigger Sidisi's ability
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Wild Research + Vadok is an AMAZING combo, if you have a token generator you can keep mutating to get the discard you lost. If you stack your deck to be mostly 3 costs. So if you discard at random, it's generally a thumbs up as you have a combo piece in your graveyard to cast. So outside of exiling it, Vadok can just pull it back and Vadok can mutate to pull back the card you wanted as long it's less than 3CMC.
Silly combos
Wild Research into burning Inquiry, have Vadok constantly mutate to recast burning inquiry forcing players time after time to draw 3 and discard 3 at random. When your deck is designed to recast most cards you put into your graveyard by being 3 CMC or less.
Restore Balance CMC 0, play it without casting it's cost. Can stop green from land searching or after say after Overloaded Winds of Abandon, to bring them back to your land count.
You have variations on Wicked pact in.
Ashes to Ashes: Which exiles.
Reckless Spite: Instant-Spd.
I was about to mention reckless spite! I’ve had it since starting the game, and it’s one of the first comedic cards I remember (conspiracy printing).
But I didn’t know about ashes to ashes, and it feels even better because non-artifact will hit more than non-black - though instant speed is hard to beat
@@dahuntre Yes, i found it a few years ago and its great in Life manipulation with Selenia.
I run all three in one of my UB decks!
Wild Research is such a cool card. I have always felt like it goes well with commanders like Gavi, Brallin & Shabraz, or Sevinne.
I've seen it in a zedru deck and it was sick
The beauty of Widespread Panic against things like Tatyova is that due to APNAP the trigger to draw resolves after the trigger from the panic so they end up drawing the card they put on top, essentially turning Tatyova off.
Zurs Weirding might just have to go in my Alela (Zur secret commander) Enchantress deck >:)
Great video! I'm currently trying to build a U/B/ W deck for fun since im just getting back into Magic after a 8 year hiatus. After watching this video, I realized a cool combo would be Zur's Weirding with "Oloro, Ageless Ascetic" as a commander. You would trigger drawing from the gaining life and force them to decide if they want to lose 1 or 2 life everytime you gain life which is sick in my book!
Ashes to ashes is also not too bad for anyone looking at wicked pact. They both fit the same kind of deck
Ashes to Ashes is just a good card for any black deck, period (as long as it doesn't have white)
@@cheer90099 I agree
There's also, Reckless Spite from Tempest(and probably reprinted other places) which is basically Wicked Pact but an Instant. Then again, it's probably better known than either Ashes to Ashes or Wicked Pact so I doubt it's as much a pull.
@@brokenphantom3g Yep Reckless Spite is even included in the Witherbloom commander deck.
Wood sage is in my sidisi deck and its an absolute powerhouse. Fills the yard fast and sometimes you just rip a reclamation sage off the top
In a cEDH game, unlike a prior comment I made about a Pact trigger that -must- occur, this is a "may". So yeah, if they move directly into declare attackers it's their choice to pass priority on the beginning of combat "may" effect.
Zur's Weirding in a deck like Unesh, where you're getting cards to your hand mostly from the Sphinx's triggers, so your opponents have no chance to zur's weirding your stuff since you're not 'drawing' the cards.
Zur’s Weirding and Bloodchiefs ascension works really well together 😂
My favorite series right now
Nice, as soon as I saw the [Widespread Panic] card I thought of Aminatou type deck, due to the Miracle cards. That might be rather useful in a Melek, Izzet Paragon deck, or an Elsha of the Infinite deck. Could even pair it with [Wild Research] for Elsha. Add-in cards that benefit from discarding or [Library of Leng] to put it back on top of your library.
If a trigger of may is put into the stack it is up the that triggered abilities controller to mention it, so in regards to that first card, since you control the enchantment, you have to be the one to bring it up, if you don't, then that's on you, and they can retroactively pay the cost
A good card to talk about would be Woodland Bellower. Being able to get any nonlegendary green creature cmc 3 or less is very powerful in commander with getting ramp, card draw, and even removal.
Thank you for beeing so awesome Demou , keep up the good content
I used to use wild research with Library of Leng back in the day. Loved that combo.
I tried building a half hearted Jeskai spell slinger with Gnostro. It was way worse than my Izzet one with Keranos but Wild Research (along with Whirlwind of Thought and Jeskai Ascendancy) seemed like the real reason to play it in jeskai
I always try to put Withering Boon in any deck that contains black but not blue, always surprises people! And Zur’s Weirding is one of my fave enchantments, if it sticks around as life totals get lower it’s fun to see the agonizing choices people make! 😆
I have lived the dream of a turn one Winds of Change and it was glorious. The mono white player (Avacyn) kept a two land hand and dropped Ancient Tomb first and didn't hit any lands with the Winds. Only one other person hit gas with me and I believe I ended up winning that game. Sad faces all around.
I love Zur's Weirding in a Muldrotha. It's absolutely hilarious to watch people dump your stuff in your graveyard and then you just cast it anyway.
Good stuff! For when you go back around the alphabet again, take a look at Panglacial Wurm - it's a pretty unique card!
I just bought a winds of change for my Nekusar deck and it's awesome. Especially with Teferi's Ageless Insight or extra draw cards out.
My how the reserves list sure spiked cards up. When I bought Willow Satyr it was $20. Had it for my casual Yasova deck that leaned into just stealing other people's creatures. Favorite moment with it was stealing someone's Leovold and sacing it everytime it hit was battlefield.
It's been a while, but enjoying getting back into your videos. :D
Web of inertia goes really well with Gravestorm too. Makes me wonder how many effects are like that and if you could build a whole deck based on them. Hmm....
Widespread Panic is a trap. It sounds really good but more than 50% of the time it does flat nothing, so unless you're playing super casual... actually it's pretty bad and even then, in super casual, there probably aren't a lot of tutors flying around.
Huh, I didn't know that Reckless Spite was a functional reprint of an old card. Wicked pact will certainly go into my Greven, Predator Captain deck.
Zur's Weirding is low key busted in the right decks. There are so many ways to abuse a symmetrical effect like this. In Commander it's great in Nekusar, they often cant afford to pay too much life to counter all your card draw, and you just have to pay to sink anything that can ruin your plan. (Though that's more in 1v1 and not when the board teams up against you.) I actually ran this as a 2 of in my modern 8 Rack deck. Once you have them on the Rack, you let them keep their lands and pitch anything that's a threat. Since they are taking damage from The Rack or Affliction each turn, you always outpace them and just win the game.
Hell yes, Wood Sage! I have that in my Muldrotha list, it's SO good. Mill 4 every turn is just really good for 2 mana.
Love Zur's Weirding in my Zedruu deck. Great way to lock out an opponent when it's a 1v1. You can make them lose any answers to your board since you're gaining life, while also forcing them to spend their dwindling life to keep you from drawing a win con
You can use Wild Research with Library of Leng in play as well. Then you wont need to discard in ramdom and you can choose to put it in the top of your library
Wild research works amazingly with Kozilek, the great distortion. So long as you have mana and cards in deck you can essentially counter everything.
Wood Sage would be good if you could combine it with cards that can have unlimited number in a deck, specific on color example would be persistent petitioners. Then toss it into a Sidisi deck or my choice would be a Muldrotha, the Gravetide deck. Play almost exclusively permanent cards and anything you mill out you cast later with your commander out.
Zur's Weirding is also a great choice for a Muldrotha, the Gravetide deck as well, as anything your opponents dump in your yard you can play again.
The Winds of Change bit had me laughing, and yeah that seems super evil on turn 1. I want to do it! Zur's Weirding is also getting added to the list of cards that sound fun, and I think I can find it a home in my Varina deck.
Wood Sage is a powerhouse in my Sidisi Petitioners deck. Sultai builds running Shadowborne Apostles or rats can make great use of Wood Sage as well.
I bought willow satyr for Gaalia Satyr tribal for around $100 when theros came out. In that deck gaalia gives it haste so it’s a nice surprise steal effect people never see coming
Really good series, thank you
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if you think Widespread panic is nuts
there's something that even better and might be your opponents worst nightmare
its called "Psychic Surgery" it said's
"Whenever an opponent shuffles their library, you may look at the top two cards of that library. You may exile one of those cards. Then put the rest on top of that library in any order."
this is just so nasty its gonna absolutely make opponents really really scared to tutor for anything because whenever they shuffle their library you get to look at the top 2 cards and if one of them is just beyond nasty you can just exile it and get rid of some of their best cards. i mean if you spot "expropriate" or "Omniscience" on top your clearly gonna exile it.
Not mentioning triggers like Web of Inertia would kinda be bad manners in my playgroup. You should declare that the trigger goes off so they can choose to pay it or not, not be like 'ah-ah-ah, you didn't say it'. Like it's my duty when playing cards like that or Rhystic Study to remind players of the triggers as the permanent controller and owner.
Not just manners. It is a missed trigger at that point since the opponent was never given the option for it. The game state would be rewound for them to make the choice.
@@joystickgenie The player is given as much an option for it as the owner of the enchantment owner is given to cast spells pre-attacks.
@@ceulgai2817 the owner of the trigger matters though. The triggers owner is responsible for resolving it. We are essentially talking about
Game play errors (blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/ipg2-1/)
"Remembering one’s trigger is always the responsibility of the player who controls the ability. This is usually, but not always, the controller of the object that has the ability. It doesn’t matter that the triggered ability may allow an opponent to take an optional action - the controller of the trigger is responsible for remembering it and prompting the opponent to make a choice. Examples include things like Frost Titan, Desecration Demon and Rhystic Study."
Zur's Weirding is in my Jhonny Combo Player silver boardered EDH deck. Fits like a glove.
Willow Satyr is like 30 euro minimum for the Legends Italian version D: Damn.
Widespread Panic is really nice! Zur's Weirding is UGH if used correctly, which makes it a cool card, lmao. Wicked Pact is really nice
Web of inertia is one of my favorite cards lol and your right most people get frustrated from it especially if you run lost in thought grip of amnesia and relic of progenitus add some evasion so they can’t block and it’s fun to play but not play against
Wild Research is such a wild card (pun intended) in my old Jodah deck.
I put Zur's Weirding in my Oloro deck. Fantastic!
Wood sage in my self-mill Muldrotha is a nice include! I'm in love with Underrealm Lich at the moment for a similar reason!
Allows me to keep Muldrotha a little less samey! I avoid consultation and similar effects as its just a bit boring after a few times 😁
Wild research in my vadrok deck. Budget tutors and I dont care if I discard it because vadrok casts from graveyard
Yeah I was going to mention that, I’ve tinkered with vadrok since demo covered it. (And wild research itself costs 3!)
Take a look at Thran Turbine, great for any deck with signets or that cares about activated abilities. Can be manipulated to almost be a sol ring, 1 mana net 2 every turn.
Not sure I'd describe Zur's Weirding as making for a "fun" game... It's pretty effective in Sen Triplets too though!
I actually was in a game where I mulliganed twice to get more than 3 lands in hand, then 1st turn the Nekusaar player cast Winds of Change, and I drew no lands.
It was a rough game.
Winds of change sky rocketed when Xyris came out I wanted one for the deck but everyone else did too
I remember the overwhelming glee when I found Web of Inertia (and Energy Field) for my Oloro Pillow Fort deck
Very interested in Oloros Decks, do you have a list of what's in yours? (Asking for a friend)
@@Groodz hasn’t been updated in at least a year but this was the final first edition. The competitive meter says 83% but that is a lie. You can very quickly become untouchable while you fish for combos
i love this "oh i have this card in my trunk" moments i have with this series.
So now that you are at the end of the alphabet we can start over! How about Retraced Image?
I think this card is way better than it looks on the surface. This also counts your opponents permanents so it should be fairly consistent as a ramp piece in a non-green blue deck. If you can copy or recur this, then you are probably going to get more value from this than say a signet.
The high end: Oh you have an Omniscience in play? Now I do too. Or Rhystic Study, or any other common blue permanent.
i guess we'll see tomorrow.
Wood Sage seens fun with Sylvan Library!
The filter has gotta be is:old (or however else you filter the OG frames)
And you probably already know this, but the pedantic white knight side of me would like you to know that the easy filter for your next batch of these is -is:old
Winds of change is great in locust god. Turn 1 winds of change is my buddy’s biggest pet peeve. Drives him up the wall
I prefer Psychic Surgery from New Phyrexia. It's almost the same effect but you look a the top 2 cards and exile one of them. And also only for opponents who shuffle their deck
Wood sage in UG persistant petitioners. Very fair.
"Ashes to ashes" is even better than Wicked Pact. I played it in my Greven Predator Captain's deck. "Reckless Spite" is the same at Instant Speed too.
1:30 Wicked Pack Alternative:
1BB
Wood sage would essentially get you 2 cards every draw step for free with Sylvan Library.
2:24 Wicked Pack - almost same as pauper "staple" Ashes to Ashes.
Wild research could also be a wincon in combination with glint horn buccaneer
Xenic Poltergeist is going in my Kardur, Doomscourge deck!
love me some willow satyr btw. fun fact xenic poltergeist makes equipment fall off
Wild Research does *work* finding combo pieces in my Gavi deck
turns out, when you're drawing piles of cards, the random discard doesn't hurt nearly as bad
I loved wild research in my sevinne deck, did great filling my grave and finding combo pieces
Xenic Poltergeist is BONKERS in Horobi decks
I literally have a 4 color deck based on wild research.... the downside is so slim for a finisher that can actively protect itself. And like, if you have 3 cards in hand you have a 75% chance of tutoring for two mana, and can then just go for it again. And if you really whiff like 8 times then stick a library of leng in there and quit your whining haha. Absolute powerhouse of a card though when prophet was legal.... ugh.... try it out folks
Wild Research is truly wild
Wouldn't web of inertia be your trigger, and thus your responsibility to announce at the appropriate times?
I ran wild research for so long in my 5 color deck that after a few years the deck changed so much I tried to fetch a instant card with it's ability and realized I no longer had any in the deck.
EDH deck building not sure if u already put this on one of your past videos. But there is a instant speed wicked pact. Called reckless spite.
zurs weirding is one of my favorite cards!!!!!
Wicked Pact is the exact same as a card that came in the willowdusk precon except that one is an instant
Zur's weirding seems pretty good in yuriko
Zur's weirding is some kind of a pet card for me, but I havent find a place for it. Maybe in my Pako or Oloro deck.
If it helps, I had a deck list centered around Taigam, Sidisi’s hand, and all effects that replenishes your hand without drawing, and used Zur’s weirding in it to break the symmetry. I orientated the deck around card DRAW (specifically) denial, with a reanimator sub-theme, and I think it can work pretty well (didn’t playtest it yet). There is surprisingly mean things you can do to punish/prevent people from drawing while replenishing your hand with fact-or-fiction-like effects, but a nicer version should be also possible if you have a heart. Me I like possessed portal to be mean and Breathstealer’s crypt to be annoying and help our reanimation theme, to name a few.
Hope it sparks some ideas !
YES!!! He's not done 😊
Zurs weirding is sick in my nekusar wheels. Haha
"10 Cards You Should Be Putting In Your Commander Decks" aka "2-7 cards I just added to my buy list..."
Fun things happen when u play zur weriding in a high/cedh setting
Play Winds of Change on Turn 1 after you kept it and one Mountain. Because lulz.
Sidisi is my #1 deck. Self mill is just fun to watch it go brrr. I've played with Zur's Weirding but it's in my experience slowed down games because anything meaningful someone pays to have it discarded. Kind of made it unfun
Winds of change here I come
Zur's Wierding + Necropotence = ❤❤ no one can pay life to make you discard cards you're not drawing 😏
wow, nice.
You should put these lists into a tappedout or moxfield list for reference
what does that mean? for reference? the card is on the screen.
@@edhdeckbuilding i was talking about making a list compiling all the cards in the “cards you should be putting in your commander decks” so we can reference them without having to dig through 17 videos
so you want me to help people not watch my videos? no thanks.
You should have touched on how wicked pact is good in Vilis, broker of blood
you just did buddy.
How about Dubious Challenge? Any way to break that jank, I have a couple copies.
Let's gooo
Dash hopes is another black counterspell but it's not quite as good because if the opponent really wants to they can just pay 5 life.
and everyone will probably pay.
I like your winds of change analysis, however, if you say dont put it in your deck because of the "mean" play aspect, why not just advise to NOT play the mean way. Otherwise its a 1 mana value wheel with great synergy. I find in my wheel decks i want to play more than 1 wheel per turn, and that is a great card to do so
i was sort of kidding there. people can do as they like.
@@edhdeckbuilding still love that you made it to Z finally! Best edh/magic channel, love your underrated decks and unique perspective!
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Reckless Spite is strictly better than Wicked Pact - its an Instant.
Was the filter any card older than 10 years or something?
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Is wicked pact not just a worse ashes to ashes?
probably. but ashes to ashes starts with an A.
Ashes to ashes exiles for the same speed and casting cost as wicked pact
Cmc filter would make sense 🤔
I was thinking “older cards” filter
@@goesbyAustin 🤔🤔🤔
Ok you might have made me remake my tap deck cause web of inersa tells you your oppenet is attacking you letting you tap down the strong creatures before the declare the attackers and its pointless
correct is does do that. good point.