Trogdor comparatively speaking, cards weren’t as swingy. Sure you had Emrakul and CoCo but for 1 thing they came with real deck building constraints (until Aetherworks Marvel was printed) and for another there always felt like there was a counterpunch out there in the card pool to fight what you wanted to fight. Standard for the last 18 months at least has been riddled with A) planeswalkers that quickly gain complete advantage and lock out games. Lili Last Hope isn’t even comparable to the liked of Oko, Teferi, Narset, etc. B) Unbelievably powerful cards in the vein of ECD, Field of the Dead, Golos, Uro, and (including Historic) Muxus all being supported be some of the best ramp spells to see standard play Maybe too long winded but I’m really burnt out on the current state of Magic. Been grinding Historic the last month and a half and if it wasn’t for Covid I wouldn’t touch it again and I’d just wait for the local Modern FNM Edit: For the record I think 13 cmc Emrakul would be busted in current Standard/Historic but in context then ramp was really mediocre
@@ModestMcMichaels thanks for the reply, I've been out of the loop for a year or so and even then don't have a huge in depth understanding on the state of sets etc
Trogdor Long story short Wizards increased power level drastically in Standard products + Modern Horizons since literally the standard featured in the video. Weird and expensive times
I miss this. Haven't watched paper coverage since GPs and PTs stopped having it. The new system is overly confusing and I just don't care about arena - if I want to watch/play a video game there are many more options that offer more than MTG online. Paper magic is unique and is what drew me in.
Amen. I like having Arena as an option, especially with the pandemic, but it’s sad how WOTC has decimated the Pro Tour scene. Nothing on Arena can match the anticipation and experience of a GP or PT event.
God, LSV being the only dude to play Tamiyo in bant made him the only bant player who could hang w/ the emrakrul decks. Truly a blast to watch live as it happened. Still remember this years later.
That's technically the correct play, but it just didn't matter. Attacking with Ishkanah doesn't up the clock at all 95% of the time, he just needed to connect twice with Emrakul
SPOILER: Reid wasn't beating that drom. command game 1 anyway. He would have lost on the following turn even with Atarka because the command makes tracker just kill the big spider. It wasn't wrong to double block.
Reid played game 1 correctly. You play to win, not to survive. He wasn't beating Dromoka's Command anyway, play as if he has nothing so you can set up a winning position. Don't know why they think Reid misplayed.
I mean for the last game, the only thing that could've saved reid there was either another emrakul or an ishkanah since a creature would've just been tapped down
No. Once triggered, he can basically choose to exile as part of the resolution of the trigger, but in each case, LSV sacrificed his Selfless Spirit to make his board indestructible, so Reid declined to exile and deal damage. The reason LSV did this before Reid made a decision was because you can respond to the trigger, but not the resolution, so if he declined to sac, Reid can exile, wipe his board, and there's nothing LSV can do as a response.
@@mwbwyatt i too used fo like him years ago but ppl like this carry their shittyness on the inside and can hide it up until a certain point meanwhile manipulating and gaslight others(spouse/fans for example). Soonner or later the rot on the inside boils on the top and we see their true inner self. Pease
At 12:00 I think it would have been better if LSV tapped Island instead of one Coast to be able to win from topdecking white mana, so he could double Command
Agreed. She is still behind other analysts in level of understanding, but she is still becoming solid. She'll improve as she gains more experience. It was awful her first season in the booth though.
If you're talking about the Game 2 Emrakul, I don't think he casted the Kozilek, as he didn't want to kill his tokens and Ishkanah (sorry for the spelling on that)
Also, he pointed at the return in the graveyard and says it triggers. But the return says you "may". This kind of ability is very tricky. Because when it triggers, your opponent doesn't know exactly what's going to happen.
i kinda hate how they always focus the camera in a way where we can see all these magic players fidget like crazy moving their cards back and forth in their hand, its literally giving me anxiety
Pretty sure LSV had the first game of the video no matter how Reid blocked. Dragon couldn't sweep enough to keep him alive. The commentators jobs are really hard but sometimes they just really miss the boardstate.
you may call it luck, and it was, but mostly it was reid's fault. Having atarka in hand, there was really no reason to let 1 attacker through in game 1
Yeah. But who knows how game 3 would have went. May have thought he could have stabilized at one. May have life gain somewhere. But it is still an amazing match. And glad to see someone else seeing this video recently, lol. Everyone else is from 3 years ago...
The 5 dmg from atarka wouldnt stabilize there with 3 life. He wouldve still lost to that board unless he got rid of some attackers. Thats why he double blocked.
God I didn't watch this when it happened but Reid made two huge player mistakes in game two after the mull to 5. He could've attack with the legendary spider an then cast the new one to come into play untapped. Also he could've forced an attack with Luis's last creature when he takes over his turn again around min 34. This would've left an open planes walker on board.
spider attack didn't matter, 3 damage wasn't going to make a difference (though technically is a mistake) he actually did force an attack with luis's other creature, and had no way to kill the second. magic is hard, so I generally default to the pros and try to figure what I'm missing when I disagree with their plays (but of course, no one is perfect, the spider play was suboptimal, but not a "huge mistake")
@@evanmurdzek2935 yea you're right. I make mistakes around round 5 of legacy and modern because I'm zoning out, but these seem to be throw away choices that could have lead to a closer game or even victory. Part of the game does come down to player choices so while I am being super critical these guys are not computers who do all the most optimal things in the game. Even so as an average player I just noticed those and figured I'd point them out.
@@wesomek totally makes sense! I have punted away more games than I can count. looking through other replies, there were also some other possible reasons to not attack with ishkanah. That is the great part of magic, its so complex that this level of skill can really get paid off (and is definitely good to be critical and analyze what people are doing)
Every time I hear Andrew Cuneo, I have those tingles from the memories of eliminating him from day 2 of Grand Prix Charlotte after he started the match out being a smartass.
How did Gaby ever get a spot on commentary? Its really hard to listen too, especially when its over top of such a good game that deserves someone like Marshall or Ian, people who know magic and speak well. Oh well, still a great and highly entertaining match.
Idk why this was in my recommended videos 4 years after the fact, but man I miss that Standard/style of Magic
What was different about it then?
Trogdor comparatively speaking, cards weren’t as swingy. Sure you had Emrakul and CoCo but for 1 thing they came with real deck building constraints (until Aetherworks Marvel was printed) and for another there always felt like there was a counterpunch out there in the card pool to fight what you wanted to fight. Standard for the last 18 months at least has been riddled with A) planeswalkers that quickly gain complete advantage and lock out games. Lili Last Hope isn’t even comparable to the liked of Oko, Teferi, Narset, etc. B) Unbelievably powerful cards in the vein of ECD, Field of the Dead, Golos, Uro, and (including Historic) Muxus all being supported be some of the best ramp spells to see standard play
Maybe too long winded but I’m really burnt out on the current state of Magic. Been grinding Historic the last month and a half and if it wasn’t for Covid I wouldn’t touch it again and I’d just wait for the local Modern FNM
Edit: For the record I think 13 cmc Emrakul would be busted in current Standard/Historic but in context then ramp was really mediocre
@@ModestMcMichaels thanks for the reply, I've been out of the loop for a year or so and even then don't have a huge in depth understanding on the state of sets etc
Trogdor Long story short Wizards increased power level drastically in Standard products + Modern Horizons since literally the standard featured in the video. Weird and expensive times
I just miss flip cards
I miss this. Haven't watched paper coverage since GPs and PTs stopped having it. The new system is overly confusing and I just don't care about arena - if I want to watch/play a video game there are many more options that offer more than MTG online. Paper magic is unique and is what drew me in.
Amen. I like having Arena as an option, especially with the pandemic, but it’s sad how WOTC has decimated the Pro Tour scene. Nothing on Arena can match the anticipation and experience of a GP or PT event.
There's a pro tour again!!!!
13:25 "I have Dromoka's Command." "Choose your second mode." Reid Duke is a master.
bad value, didn't make him sac vessel of nascency
I hate Reid. He's so pretentious
@@joshsteele5701 He's the nicest player in pro mtg - you're an idiot on the internet hating on people.
@@joshsteele5701 Reid's consistently demonstrated himself to be the moral center of the pro magic scene.
@etru6 or maybe just a joke to keep the game in good spirits
This kind of coverage is much enjoyable than Arena cast. I'm an old man after all.
Arena is so lame to watch
I think biggest advantage of arena is it is easy to follow up
Couldn't agree more. This is SO MUCH BETTER!
There is coverage where there is only one commentator and you can hear the players. You should check it out it’s become my favorite type of coverage
reid duke vs lsv was epic. The last play will be remembered and replayed on highlight reels for awhile.
Watching this in 2020 + hearing all the coughing and then remembering this event took place 4 years ago
Coughing happened before covid. You nitwit.
The thumbnail is very accurate representation of LSV's career. Him casually looking at his cards while his opponent is agonizing over theirs.
God, LSV being the only dude to play Tamiyo in bant made him the only bant player who could hang w/ the emrakrul decks. Truly a blast to watch live as it happened. Still remember this years later.
such a flavour win considering tamiyo locks out emrakul for the win
topdeck of the century
nova442 Lightning helix says otherwise
Or rakdos return
You should watch him in Oath playing Frank Lepore....GUTSHOT FTW!
Or glorybringer
TH-cam recommended gave me something nice today. I remember watching this live with a friend
LSV, the Last Hope has defeated Emerkual.
Sad thing is we might never see magic like this again, I miss face to face play
Thanks for putting this in my recommended TH-cam this era was awesome
LSV = LUCK.SKILL.VICTORY. He proves it yet again.
LSV - Leave Spouse for Vagina sounds better in 2020
Reids ability to know when or when not to mulligan is, inspirational.
I don't usually audibly react to videos I watch, but wow...
I literally explained to my mom what happened and she had no clue but idc because WOW!
I still can't hear it
Watching this in 2021. Good old days where standard is fun, GP and in person magic is a thing.
Why didn't Reid attack with his first Ishkana before playing his second one? If you're going to sac one, it might as well be after attacks, right?
That's technically the correct play, but it just didn't matter. Attacking with Ishkanah doesn't up the clock at all 95% of the time, he just needed to connect twice with Emrakul
If it got countered he'd be in a lot of trouble so he had too cast it before attcaks.
LSV now an honorary member of the gatewatch
You have got to love the basic lands that these guys are playing 😍
SPOILER:
Reid wasn't beating that drom. command game 1 anyway. He would have lost on the following turn even with Atarka because the command makes tracker just kill the big spider. It wasn't wrong to double block.
True, also, love the avatar. Toradora is life.
Agree :D
Reid played game 1 correctly. You play to win, not to survive. He wasn't beating Dromoka's Command anyway, play as if he has nothing so you can set up a winning position. Don't know why they think Reid misplayed.
Trivia: Emraku vs LSV, who wins?
LSV
LSV
Why did he not attack with the big spider and then cast the new one to have it come in to play untapped? About 31:40. Am I missing something
I mean for the last game, the only thing that could've saved reid there was either another emrakul or an ishkanah since a creature would've just been tapped down
2 actual titans of the game
I miss coverage like this with magic like this. :(
I miss playing magic like this
How come their using the old lands???
Comment from 2020! Did Reid Duke missed the trigger from Kozileks Return when casting the Emrakul?
No. Once triggered, he can basically choose to exile as part of the resolution of the trigger, but in each case, LSV sacrificed his Selfless Spirit to make his board indestructible, so Reid declined to exile and deal damage. The reason LSV did this before Reid made a decision was because you can respond to the trigger, but not the resolution, so if he declined to sac, Reid can exile, wipe his board, and there's nothing LSV can do as a response.
"There's Emrakul, and there's Luis Scott-Vargas."
YES! gotta love lsv man
Can u love a person who abandons the mother of his child to bang a 'hotter' piece of ass - LSV 2020
@@Searibox mistakes happen, was it a dick move? probably. seperate the person from the gameplay though~ and he played real well this game
@@mwbwyatt i too used fo like him years ago but ppl like this carry their shittyness on the inside and can hide it up until a certain point meanwhile manipulating and gaslight others(spouse/fans for example). Soonner or later the rot on the inside boils on the top and we see their true inner self. Pease
@@Searibox what happened?
What are the basics Reid and Luis are using?
The commentary team here are great 👍🏻
Came back to watch Reid Duke vs. LSV game 2. Classic.
Ah yes been looking for old standard coverage. Where removal wasn't insane and decks...werent the same xD
I'm confused, it their basics look like foil beta lands or something. So beautiful
31;10 why reid duke dint attack whit is first iskalath before sack it whit casting a new one after?
This is a great way to make my organic chem lab seem a lot less confusing.
Match 2. LSV couldn't name the spider token with Reflector mage thus no blockers for Reid?
At 12:00 I think it would have been better if LSV tapped Island instead of one Coast to be able to win from topdecking white mana, so he could double Command
33:28 why did he play two lands and put one into his hand?
The card "Nissa's Pilgramage"
R V it says you can play one land and put one into your hand.
Bebop if you read the whole card, spell mastery let’s u search up 3 forests instead of 2.
R V ooh, thought it was flavor text.
what are this numbers (15) and (5)
Leverquin Their worldwide rankings at the time.
Was missing the play patterns of bant Coco... LSV will always be one of the Goats 🔥
Watching in 2019
why didnt reid smash an advocate into emrakrul?
because advocates cannot fly
i realized that right after i hit enter...man the finals were so intense
That's not how flying works
+TheCR155 yeah I read his comment wrong lol
Why didn't he attack with ishkanah and then play the new one? He woulda forced either a block or dog and the new one would've been untapped
Damage*
+Shashank Vithalani the damage wouldnt have changed his clock at all
Probably playing around Clash of Wills. If he did it that way and it got countered he could lose on the spot
I think he was afraid that he had a Company in his hand, Coco could reveal a reflector mage targeting Ishkanah
This is why LSV is my favorite player.
33:30 why did he pay three for the reflector mage
*four
he played a tap land
Misplay at 31:30 . Duke should have attacked with ishkana before playing the second one
So what will the Oath of Luis Scott-Vargas do?
be broken. 😂
Spartz has definitely improved her commentary since last time.
Agreed. She is still behind other analysts in level of understanding, but she is still becoming solid. She'll improve as she gains more experience. It was awful her first season in the booth though.
Tamiyo, the Last Hope!
Am I an idiot or did Reid sneak in Ishkanah with 4 mana?
Joel Rose 30:56 you’re an idiot.
Vendo em 2022 e pensando se a Gaby já namorava o lsv nessa época!🙂
that thumbnail😆 Reid looks like have a headache again
Interestingly LSV did not side in Tamiyo against Ried on the draw in the top 8 match and still won.
"Luis beat Emrakul!?!?" lol
Adoro vedere gente forte giocare ad un gioco, qualunque esso sia
Soprattutto se quel gioco è Magic
I wondered why reids spiders didn't die from the Flashback kozileks return. It says 5 dmg to all creatures
If you're talking about the Game 2 Emrakul, I don't think he casted the Kozilek, as he didn't want to kill his tokens and Ishkanah (sorry for the spelling on that)
Also, he pointed at the return in the graveyard and says it triggers. But the return says you "may". This kind of ability is very tricky. Because when it triggers, your opponent doesn't know exactly what's going to happen.
It's confirmed: LSV > Emrakul
I hope one day I have the honour of playing on the pro tour }:)
Man this standard was a lot cooler than the current one lol
Wouldn't Reid need three creatures that last turn to stay alive since tamiyo can just tap more creatures?
Yes, he needed either Atarka or Ishkanah off the top. Not sure if he runs Grapple, but that would have done it as well.
Randy with the dank gatewatch memes....
I miss this
i kinda hate how they always focus the camera in a way where we can see all these magic players fidget like crazy moving their cards back and forth in their hand, its literally giving me anxiety
Dude same, I find that shit so annoying
Haha i like the fake smile that Gaby gives Randy at 0:15 "awesome" *fake smile* haha why are they so awkward?
Pretty sure LSV had the first game of the video no matter how Reid blocked. Dragon couldn't sweep enough to keep him alive. The commentators jobs are really hard but sometimes they just really miss the boardstate.
Watching him shuffle his hand every other second bothers me for some reason
anthony marciano you must not play competitive magic. Every single player does this at that level.
You still havent even watched Brian Kibler's autistic shuffles. I believe it would make you crazy.
Those D6 are cool
pretty fucking insane top deck for luis at the end. WOW
the game was awesome but i have to say that luis got reeeaaaaaly lucky there , just top decking the cards to save him from losing in the second game.
Gods! I hate Frantic shuffeling magic plyers
Reid Duke was really out there looking like a young Paul McCartney.
why don't they put the commentators names in the video or description?
28:30 We have a reider.
Great magic !!
Nice topdeck
PT Eldritch Moon 2016: EmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakulEmrakul
And Gabby and LSV are living happily ever after
So Dean Ambrose vs
you may call it luck, and it was, but mostly it was reid's fault. Having atarka in hand, there was really no reason to let 1 attacker through in game 1
Yeah. But who knows how game 3 would have went. May have thought he could have stabilized at one. May have life gain somewhere. But it is still an amazing match. And glad to see someone else seeing this video recently, lol. Everyone else is from 3 years ago...
@@jackpabich763 Rewatching this as well. That's Oko for you, lol.
The 5 dmg from atarka wouldnt stabilize there with 3 life. He wouldve still lost to that board unless he got rid of some attackers. Thats why he double blocked.
It's my husband, vs Reid Duke! 😅
Between Reid Duke and Sam pardee I'm wondering if it's common for mtg pros to still have their mom cut their hair
God I didn't watch this when it happened but Reid made two huge player mistakes in game two after the mull to 5. He could've attack with the legendary spider an then cast the new one to come into play untapped. Also he could've forced an attack with Luis's last creature when he takes over his turn again around min 34. This would've left an open planes walker on board.
spider attack didn't matter, 3 damage wasn't going to make a difference (though technically is a mistake)
he actually did force an attack with luis's other creature, and had no way to kill the second.
magic is hard, so I generally default to the pros and try to figure what I'm missing when I disagree with their plays (but of course, no one is perfect, the spider play was suboptimal, but not a "huge mistake")
@@evanmurdzek2935 yea you're right. I make mistakes around round 5 of legacy and modern because I'm zoning out, but these seem to be throw away choices that could have lead to a closer game or even victory.
Part of the game does come down to player choices so while I am being super critical these guys are not computers who do all the most optimal things in the game. Even so as an average player I just noticed those and figured I'd point them out.
@@wesomek totally makes sense! I have punted away more games than I can count. looking through other replies, there were also some other possible reasons to not attack with ishkanah. That is the great part of magic, its so complex that this level of skill can really get paid off (and is definitely good to be critical and analyze what people are doing)
I really with they would flash images of the cards when they’re played
take a shot every time Gaby says something incorrect.
Alcohol poisoning, my old friend
my arms shot up into the air when i saw that tamiyo come out
Every time I hear Andrew Cuneo, I have those tingles from the memories of eliminating him from day 2 of Grand Prix Charlotte after he started the match out being a smartass.
Kudos to you bro
wow I match up that didn't disapoint
Bant ftw!
Reid didn't suicide an advocate into emrakul before tapping them with tamiyo which cost him the match
he suicided the tireless tracker
loving the beta lands
How did Gaby ever get a spot on commentary? Its really hard to listen too, especially when its over top of such a good game that deserves someone like Marshall or Ian, people who know magic and speak well. Oh well, still a great and highly entertaining match.
Because she is a woman. No hate on her, but that is genuinely the only reason WoTC gave her an offer.
33:35 did Reid just cheat out a second land from the pilgrimage?
He gets 3 Forests because of Spell Mastery, puts one into play and two into his hand, then plays one as his land for turn. No cheating.
Scott-Vargas is AWESOME!!!!
WHaaaaat top dekc LSV!!!!!
The last coco in the first game gave 2 reflector mages. If lsv had bounced the other creature he would have wonnthe next turn.
Gameplay consists of 85% card flicking, 14% smacking cards on the table and 1% actually doing stuff.